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More Verizon Policy Changes, Reducing Data Speeds for “Extraordinary” Customers

The policy changes just keep stacking up for Verizon and I think most of us our assuming it has to do with that other phone that just went on pre-order today.  After changing the upgrade, return, rebate, and equipment coverage policies, VZW is also ready to start corralling “extraordinary” data users.  What exactly is an “extraordinary” data user?  Someone that falls within the top 5% of users of course…

Verizon Wireless strives to provide customers the best experience when using our network, a shared resource among tens of millions of customers. To help achieve this, if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5% of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand. Our proactive management of the Verizon Wireless network is designed to ensure that the remaining 95% of data customers aren’t negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users.

So for those of you cheapies out there tethering instead of paying for a real internet connection, get ready to be turtle-ized.  You can check out the new VZWoptimization document here.

Via:  BGR

  • http://twitter.com/binglut9 Brian

    i agree with this because this will stop all of you cheap @ss`s from screwing my network up and actually get an internet provider. Dont get me wrong i am rooted and i tether if i am on the road but that is maybe once every 3 months and i check what i have to and thats it. all these people take advantage and download movies or use youtube while tethering just jamming our network up.

  • Anonymous

    Whatever, i use like what 5 gigs and i never have any reduced speed but still…..anyways doesn’t affect me so i don’t care. lol

  • SAVAGETONE

    key words here buddies are If you subscribe to a Data Plan or Feature on February 3, 2011 or after, the following applies:
    Verizon Wireless strives to provide customers the best experience when using our network, a shared resource among tens of millions of customers. To help achieve this, if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5% of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand. Our proactive management of the Verizon Wireless network is designed to ensure that the remaining 95% of data customers aren’t negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few usersIf you subscribe to a Data Plan or Feature on February 3, 2011 or after, the following applies:
    Verizon Wireless strives to provide customers the best experience when using our network, a shared resource among tens of millions of customers. To help achieve this, if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5% of Verizon Wireless data users we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle to ensure high quality network performance for other users at locations and times of peak demand. Our proactive management of the Verizon Wireless network is designed to ensure that the remaining 95% of data customers aren’t negatively affected by the inordinate data consumption of just a few users.

  • http://twitter.com/Primus0001 James

    Just do a class action law suite and they will quickly change their tune. With 4G and the new playstation suite coming out people will download more, especially with netflix and youtube.

  • riz

    so with 7 days to go in my billing cycle i have used 2.2gb.. I just did a speedttest (app) and with 4 3g bars got 1.18 Mbps.. did I just get throttled down from my 2 Mbps-ish speeds? I sue pandora daily while walking for 1hr and use google nav all the time, not a whole lot more than that. I will be pissed if my pandora experience degrades because of lower speeds!

  • http://toobig.net TooBIG

    Can someone please tell me how this doesn’t void my contract with Verizon if I’m one of those top 5 percent? If I’m not getting what i pay can’t I legally break my contact with no penalty?

    • DBK

      Because you are still getting unlimited data. They are just slowing down the speeds a bit.

      • http://toobig.net TooBIG

        Yes I understand that but don’t we pay for unlimited at 3g speeds? or are the speeds not guaranteed but the unlimited data is?

        • DBK

          The speeds aren’t guaranteed (fine print) only the unlimited data (of course the 5GB “cap” that I’ve been hearing about could disprove that).

          • Anonymous

            nah, iv’e gone past 5 gigs….still going….no extra charges…

          • DBK

            It could be area-based, too. If you are in an urban area (lots of traffic), then yeah going past the 5 gigs could pose a problem, whereas if you were in a suburban/rural area (with less traffic) then going past the 5 gigs wouldn’t mean much.

            Since I never really break 1 gig, I wouldn’t be able to test that.

          • droidlover

            ive seen you talk about this “fine print” in every post you made. can you please find and post this “fine print” for all of us?

            i just upgraded, bought two new phones and i pay $160 a month…there not dropping me down!

          • DBK

            Or you could just read the terms and conditions (the written material) you get when you buy your phones and plans. That is where I am getting this info from. But of course, if it is not online, it’s not true, right?

  • Doug

    Here’s a question. Will this affect me if I switch from a 150MB plan to unlimited?

  • DomesDKG

    but with the custom rows nowadays having the data throttle removed… will this actually work?

  • Kevin

    I hate FAPs!

  • Kevin

    I hate FAPs!

  • Mke236

    Hey, Verizon, if you plan to “Rule the Air” (which really means the wireless market on a global scale) you better be freakin ready. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!! How can you penalize those people who are paying TOP DOLLAR(as in the most expensive carrier IMO) by putting a limit on their UNLIMITED DATA plans, wether those limits are in speed or actual usage. People get put in jail for less than this. Most of us here are Moto and Verizon customers. WE MADE THEM, and this is how they repay us? Wouldnt it be cool to get like 10, 20, or 30 thousand of us and make our case along with our demands to Big Red? Maybe then they would listen and take care of their own.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DeanParmenter Dean William Parmenter

    as someone who has used 8gb this billing cycle and has used as high at 23gb … i obviously dont like this. i pay for unlimited 3g. not 5gb at 3g and the rest on 2g.

    this however wont effect me. as it clearly stated that this only effects those who sign on to a data plan feb 3 2011 and after. *cough* verizon’s proactive attempt not look like at&t when the iPhone hits. *cough*

  • Anonymous

    I have no problem with this.

    What I do have a problem with is Verizon degrading my files in transit to save on bandwidth. To quote: “We are implementing optimization and transcoding technologies in our network to transmit data files in a more efficient manner”

    What that means is they may downres pictures or video in order to make them smaller. That is a huge no no IMO. Slow me down if I’m using excessive bandwidth, I’m fine with that. I’m paying for an unlimited data plan, not paying for a certain tier of speed (like I would with home Internet), hell cut me off if you have to. But don’t mess with my actual data itself.

    My question is IIRC if your carrier makes a material change to your plan (ie changing text message prices) you then have the right to leave that contract without being charged an ETF since Verizon is changing the terms of the previously agreed upon service. Would this count as a material change?

  • Anonymous

    How much data would pandora eat up?

  • Nativi

    verizon can suck my Nut$. If you advertise as 3g or 4g speeds then it better be that speed or is false advertising and i will sue i get free lawers so not afraid to use them and i am not a rooted user

    • IzzyDLizzy

      Seeing as it is wireless there argument will be what is the speed suppose to be seeing as they do not guarantee a speed on your service. So good luck proving false advertising.

      IMO tho people are ready way to much into this new policy, they odds of most of us having this happen are about slim to none. Besides the ones who are tethering on a rooted device and are not actually paying for the tether service. And for those folks I have no sympathy, pay up or go complain somewhere else

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carlos-Reyes/1191692681 Carlos Reyes

    good thing its only for new customers that sign for a data plan or current customer that get a data plan not the ones that currently have a data plan so all of us are grandfathered in. my bro uses his phone for youtube and easily uses over 5gb a month and well myself i use over 20gb a month.

  • Bel

    Something to consider: the ‘extraordinary’ clause only applies to new customers as of today.

    • Bel

      New customers of the data plan, of course. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/RoyR80 Roy Rader

    So, if they’re targeting the top 5%, this number can/should consistanlty rise. The cut off point will raise as the ifone comes into play. The coment is based off network/phone consumtion. I enjoy my phone alot, but have yet to peak 3GB. But iif we all push the limit higher, i wont be effected. ;-) So, to those consuming 10+GB/month, thank you. ;-)

  • Seedster

    Everyone b*tching and moaning seriously needs to calm down. This is WAY better than having tiered pricing. It’s still UNLIMITED usage, the bandwidth hogs just have to slow their roll a little towards the end of the billing cycle. Please put things in perspective…out of **MILLIONS** of Verizon customers on 3G, I’m going to go out on a limb here and assuming that few (if none) of the people b*tching here are even going to fall into the top 5%. You guys are freaking out because you think using Netflix, Pandora, Youtube, etc. is going to slow down your speeds…remember that a LOT of people are using those same programs as well.

    • Seedster

      Of course, I’m making a big assumption in assuming that Verizon will actually stick to this “top 5%” policy and not just slow people down after they reach a certain number of GB’s downloaded flat across the board….that would suck.

    • Anonymous

      There’s a problem with statistics, and it’s that people don’t put them to realworld examples. If 100 people comment on this site, statistically 5% = 5 people. In total, 5% of users is over a million people. We have to assume that we’re going to be skewed towards the heavy user side since we’re getting more out of our devices than the average consumer.

  • Fallsgale

    FAIR!

  • Fallsgale

    FAIR!

  • Fallsgale

    FAIR!

  • matt

    Could we get an EXACT number on what constitutes a heavy number?…I hear 2GB…5GB…10GB…

    I use about 6 GB and DO NOT TETHER and use wifi when at home…

    • Anonymous

      Verizon has previously stated that only 4% of their customers use over 2GB a month. So, it’s maybe even less than 2GB of usage.

  • http://twitter.com/thetechguru_net thetechguru_net

    Better than Tiered pricing IMHO. I just wish Verizon would for once give a straight, simple to understand policy like “if you exceed 15 gigabytes” not an ambiguous “top 5%”. T-Mobile has been throttling over 5 Gig for months, and I haven’t heard very much complaining. I am a pretty heavy data user (although I don’t tether often since my job pays for that on a Blackberry, and I have only been on business travel lately so haven’t needed it) and I rarely top 3 Gig in a month.

    Alan

  • Anonymous

    so like I use anywhere from 4 gigs to 8-9 gigs a month, am I going to get turtlized??

    • Anonymous

      but I never tether, I don’t even have the ability to tether!

    • http://twitter.com/vdefender Taylor Abrahamson

      Haha no. I guess the that top 5% is somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-40 GB a month. But thats just my best guess.

      • Anonymous

        Wrong. Verizon has previously stated that their top 4% are those that use over 2GB a month. We all fail.

  • (v)urphy

    Wow… Sprint, can you hear me now?

  • Anonymous

    God Verizon takes two steps forward and 10 steps back. Its unlimited but its slowed down for the ppl who actually take advantage of it?

  • http://www.mygeek911.com mygeek911

    So towards the end of the month is when everyone else’s speeds will go up (i.e. the other 95%), but they have to wait for it to do so. This doesn’t sound like the win-win Verizon makes it out to be.

    • http://twitter.com/vdefender Taylor Abrahamson

      I have a feeling that the user that this is targeted too, will quickly stop using that amount of data because the penalty doesn’t just carry till the end of their current month, but also the next whole month as well.

    • http://twitter.com/vdefender Taylor Abrahamson

      I have a feeling that the user that this is targeted too, will quickly stop using that amount of data because the penalty doesn’t just carry till the end of their current month, but also the next whole month as well.

    • http://twitter.com/vdefender Taylor Abrahamson

      I have a feeling that the user that this is targeted too, will quickly stop using that amount of data because the penalty doesn’t just carry till the end of their current month, but also the next whole month as well.

  • http://twitter.com/JasonAGrier Jason A. Grier
    • Anonymous

      Couple a things about that article.
      1. When they say ‘smartphones’, I’m assuming they’re including all smartphones: Blackberries, Palm, Android, iPhone, etc. I would expect older smartphone technology (e.g. Blackberry, non-Torch) to skew the numbers downward, since those often have neither the capability nor the appeal to consume data in quantities like Android/iPhone.
      2. I would expect Android data usage to be slightly higher, than iPhone since Android allows so much to be done OTA whereas iPhone requires synchronization w/iTunes on a computer.

      I don’t think I’ve ever used <1.5gb in a month,usually its in the 2-3GB range. I do social networking, web browsing, stream music, and watch an occasional YouTube. In other words, everything that VZW famously advertises that 'Droid Does'. I don't consider my usage 'extraordinary'.

      VZW needs to be upfront with their customers and disclose what usage makes somebody an 'extraordinary' customer that deserves to be throttled.

      • Urugami

        Same here… I use my phone for things other people use a laptop or netbook for, plus downloading ROMs. My first few months I almost had 5GB usage, but I’m down to 1.5-3GeeBees since. Also, since my phone’s connection is faster than my DSL, I’ve been known to download a Linux distro or two to the phone, and transfer them to the LAN via USB.
        This just gives me something else to montor, and will definitely suck.

        • Droids

          If you’re downloading ISO’s on your phone, you deserve to be throttled. Just how fast do you need that distro? Gotta have it right now or can you use DSL and wait an extra twenty minutes? I hate fair access policies too (experienced Hughe’s FAP years ago) but come on, you’re abusing the service when you have other high speed connections available that you could be using.

  • Mth2134

    “Aw man. But how am I gonna pay call of duty while my 3 computers download 40 episodes of family guy now?”
    Pay for tethering or a home internet connection!! Wtf?!?
    This policy I agree with.

  • ScottK

    I don’t necessarily make this is a bad thing and is much better than data caps or overage charges. This is going to impact the people who watch Netflix and use 10+ gigs of data every month. The other 95% of us, life will go on as normal. Especially for those of us who barely top out at 5 gigs, if even that.

    • Anonymous

      not so fast – according to others, the top 4% of VZ smartphone users use just over 2 GB. If they throttle the top 5%, that’s over a million people and everyone that uses at least 2GB a month…

      • http://twitter.com/Qreptiles Qreptiles

        Those that are saying that are quoting an artice written in July. That would mean it does not include any data from the Droid X foward. I can almost guarentee that the numbers have changed since then.

  • Dicktrickle

    This is why we have data throttle mods for our ROMS!

    • Anonymous

      This right here is the winner. I hope they don’t break it somehow.

  • Anonymous

    I thought I was going to be the only one who thought this was good.

    Personally, I think they should just keep all data plans unlimited, and allow customers to buy a speed on 4G, just like home internet. $20 for 1.5mb/sec, $30 for 5mb/sec, $40 for 8mb/sec, and $50 for 12mb/sec.

  • Anonymous

    Does this affect Rooted user with Dev ROMS?

    • KSAT

      I don’t use a custom ROM and don’t propose I know any of the capabilities within – but, I also don’t see how having a custom ROM would by-pass the throttle… The throttling is at the head-end, not on the phone – right??

      • http://twitter.com/vdefender Taylor Abrahamson

        Thats what I thought too. Their system keeps track of exactly how much data you use, so I would assume that on their end, if you use X amount of data they will auto-throttle your connection, on their end. Putting this in the phones software would be stupid…?

    • Anonymous

      I would guess so. Rooted or not your on their network using their bandwith.

  • http://twitter.com/JasonAGrier Jason A. Grier

    While obviously I’d prefer no limits… if this is what Verizon has to do to hold off putting a data cap.. so be it! It sucks yes, but there is NO way it affects people who use 5 or even 6GB a month or less (Which I rarely go more)… but this is STILL better than a cap! AT&T and their 2GB cap or whatever, once you go over it, your done for it… once you go over this cap which remember which I can only imagine effect people in the last week of their cycle will still be able to use the data just slower…

    Anyone rather have a cap than this?

    • http://www.facebook.com/derek.dt Derek Robinson

      Someone up above posted stats that 4% of users go above 2gbs, so it would be in essence a 2gb throttle cap (assuming true stats).

  • Amiel

    another reason rooting owns: data throttle caps removed

    • Nxus1ne

      wrong. verizon can limit ANY phone on their network.

      • IzzyDLizzy

        Exactly so may folks just don’t even know how the CDMA networks are setup and even work. All this data throttling chatter lately is meaningless on a CDMA network. They can and do throttle it and always have.

  • RaptorOO7

    It states it only affects data plans purchased on or after February 3rd, of course if you change out your data plan you could get hit hard. I have two MiFi’s each with 10GB plans and we pay the $80 each for them. Then again these two lines are our internet connections (living in the country).

    As for smartphones, Verizon says only 25% of their 95 million subscribers use smartphones so 95 million x 25% = 23.75 million smartphone users (before iPhone) and of 23.75 million 5% are hogs so that means 1,187,500 users are data hogs. Of course once the iPhone arrives I can see the data hog issue going through the roof.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=710530141 Tyler Buchanan

      I don’t think that many iPhone users use that much data anyway, they tend to not be as techie as Android users

      Plus, anyone who buys an iPhone 4 over a TBold or Atrix 4G definitely isn’t a techie

      • Italktomyself77

        Are you kidding me. IPhon’t users a notorious data hogs.

        • Anonymous

          Wrong.

          http://www.technewsdaily.com/android-data-usage-outpaces-iphone-0940/

          The scary thing here is that it says 4% of Verizon customers use over 2GB. So, it’s safe to assume this will affect you if you use over 2GB (which probably most of the people here do). I get over that with no tethering, easy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/derek.dt Derek Robinson

            Wow, if those stats are true then it wouldn’t be that hard to fall in the top 5% range. I don’t usually hit 2gbs but I have had weeks where I was using my phone for all my Internet needs because I was away from home.

          • http://www.facebook.com/derek.dt Derek Robinson

            Wow, if those stats are true then it wouldn’t be that hard to fall in the top 5% range. I don’t usually hit 2gbs but I have had weeks where I was using my phone for all my Internet needs because I was away from home.

      • Italktomyself77

        Are you kidding me. IPhon’t users a notorious data hogs.

  • Anonymous

    Verizon keeps pissing me off!!!!!!!! >:o

  • Anonymous

    I guess I won’t be purchasing any new phones “on contract” any more. Staying grandfathered in to truly unlimited plans just made used phones a heck of a lot more valuable.

    Also… has Verizon said if your “extra” 2GB of data from an actual tethering plan will count toward your total when figuring the top 5%?

    And… Are the going to notify you if you are in the top 5% or are they going to just throttle the connection?

  • http://twitter.com/TonyG916 Tony Garza

    you cheapskates quit tethering…bastards ;)

  • Mr Carteratl

    damn, that sucks…unlimited what?

    • http://twitter.com/namklabs Nicholas Kramer

      They just shouldn’t call it unlimited, because it simply isn’t. If they don’t want people streaming this and download that, then just put a generous cap on it, say, 10Gb? I don’t know. But if you have a cap you’ll at least think twice about downloading this or streaming that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/derek.dt Derek Robinson

        From what I understand, if you were to use only accepted uses of the data connection then you couldn’t use more then 5gs a month. Granted what seems to fall under that accepted list is quite small (surfing the web, emails, etc) and not streaming movies/music.

  • Jpfrasier

    My major data usage is over wifi, no big deal.

    • Mr Carteratl

      same here, i prefer wifi!

      • Anonymous

        Mostly on my wifi at home too.

        • Anonymous

          Ditto, but if I get 12 megs with lte, my home connection is only 3 megs, I may use lte much more

  • Michael

    why can’t you just say “iPhone”? haha, so funny. Here let me help you:

    iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. iPhone.

    see? wasn’t that hard was it?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=710530141 Tyler Buchanan

      But if you say iPhone this shows up when people google iPhone lol

      • Michael

        exactly! because Kellex can’t get away with iPhone news, or anything that’s related to it since iPhone is the number one competitor, and a better smartphone! is June/July here yet?

        • Anonymous

          If iphone is a better phone, why are you at an ALL DROID SITE?

          • Michael

            ah good q. cause before VZW only had Droid available and for that, im a current Droid owner and i come in here to see the latest news in regards to my Droid, but this will change once I switch over to iPhone 5.

          • Anonymous

            Ok then.

          • Michael

            ah good q. cause before VZW only had Droid available and for that, im a current Droid owner and i come in here to see the latest news in regards to my Droid, but this will change once I switch over to iPhone 5.

    • Anonymous

      He didn’t “say” anything. Real Michaels type iPhon’t. :-)

      • Michael

        real Michaels know how to be mature about embracing other gadgets and competitors. you obviously come in here and like to get attention with your lame comments.

        • Anonymous

          Your initial post oozed maturity and no desire at attention-getting. If you want to embrace others, why don’t you go a Packers blog and start extolling the virtues of the Steelers. Better yet, why don’t you just lighten up. These comments used to be fun, helpful and light-hearted. Ah, the good old days…

          • Michael

            exactly! the good old days when people actually knew how to appreciate the use of today’s technology and respect individual’s preferences.

          • Anonymous

            Like you do?

            Let me go on to an iPhone blog and spout about how great the Droid is. I’ll say something like, “Android is the number one competitor, and a better smartphone!” That would be really “mature about embracing other gadgets and competitors,” right?

          • Michael

            there’s a big difference between stating your personal preference/opinion vs. making fun of someone, calling them names, ridiculing product names, bashing on non-android owner’s by treating them as being inferior all because they prefer or are planning on becoming owners of other devices other than Android.

            I’m currently a Droid owner and come to this site to read up on latest news, updates and apps for my droid and I own a droid simply because it was the only device that was available on VZW w/o switching carrier, until now. You noticed how I specified what device I was using w/o altering the actual name like some of us do in here? To me it’s just childish!

            In any case, don’t worry cause Kellex will have one less person comibgn to this site when iPhone 5 comes out in summer. Meanwhile, I will keep coming to this site and if I see some post that needs to be addressed, I won’t hold back.

          • DBK

            “there’s a big difference between stating your personal preference/opinion vs. making fun of someone, calling them names, ridiculing product names, bashing on non-android owner’s by treating them as being inferior all because they prefer or are planning on becoming owners of other devices other than Android.”

            And yet that is exactly what you do (sometimes you are even worse than the “Android Fan Boys”. Hypocrite much?

          • Michael

            and how is this so?

          • DBK

            Your OP, where it still there, is proof enough. You bring up something that isn’t even related to the blog and are childish about it. In doing so, you voluntarily incited an otherwise avoidable argument.

          • Michael

            it’s my way of promoting what I prefer. =)

          • DBK

            And making fun of the blogger at the same time, something you were just accusing us of doing (and denying doing yourself). Hence the hypocrite remark. If you are leaving soon, as you claim to be, the least you can do is keep it civil until you do (you know, end on a high note).

          • Anonymous

            There’s a big difference between coming to a website to read about news, updates, and apps and coming to a website to troll/flame other posters.

            If you really just wanted what you claim, why are you even commenting? Some of the people here come here to post and share a rapport with other android enthusiasts. And inevitably, some come here just to get a rise out of others…

          • Anonymous

            There’s a big difference between coming to a website to read about news, updates, and apps and coming to a website to troll/flame other posters.

            If you really just wanted what you claim, why are you even commenting? Some of the people here come here to post and share a rapport with other android enthusiasts. And inevitably, some come here just to get a rise out of others…

          • Michael

            exactly! the good old days when people actually knew how to appreciate the use of today’s technology and respect individual’s preferences.

  • http://twitter.com/TankRizzo TankRizzo

    Thanks i*hone!

  • versusxiii

    Guess I’m not using ROM Manager to download ROMs when I’m feeling lazy anymore…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=710530141 Tyler Buchanan

      wifi… or even then, roms usually aren’t nearly big enough to put you over the edge

      • Anonymous

        Sucks, since I don’t have WiFi at home.

      • Anonymous

        Sucks, since I don’t have WiFi at home.

      • Anonymous

        Sucks, since I don’t have WiFi at home.

  • http://perpetualn00b.tumblr.com quiklives

    I think it’s fair, honestly.

    • Anonymous

      How so? You’re paying for something and they are deciding you do’t get it anymore based on your usage. IMO, this is just a scheme to implement a higher data package tier.

    • LinuxLover

      This is like paying for access to a toll road, but being restricted to using only the right lane. How is this fair? You pay for a connection at a certain speed, they need to deliver that.

      Honestly, we should make enough of a stink about this so that they recant. When Time Warner began testing throttling connections, it made the news and enough people were in an uproar over it, they canceled the pilot program and decided not to.

      • Chad

        I couldn’t agree more!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=710530141 Tyler Buchanan

        This is more like paying for one newspaper out of a dispenser and taking 50… I’m not complaining if it means all the guys using 30 GB a month get screwed and everyone else gets faster internet. Besides, most of those people are tethering anyway, thus getting something they aren’t paying for and ruining your argument.

        • Sjhd

          Incorrect. I believe I read somewhere the cap will be at 5GB…

          • Raven

            As someone who only averages around 500MB a month, but likes that occasional video to come down fast, I am all for this, as long as the cap stays up there at 5GB which seems just insane usage. Now, if they brought it down to 1GB I might be getting a little more worried.

          • LinuxLover

            It’s like the government and your constitutional rights: One by one, little by little, they take them away from you. First it’s 5GB, then it’s 3GB, then it’s 1GB. Drop…drop…before you know it, you have an ocean!

          • Guest

            Here we go with teabagger comments.
            What constitutional rights have you lost? Have you even read the constution? While you read it, here is a fun fact for you – the US Constitution only authorizes the creation of the Army and Navy. Therefore, the Air Force is unconstitutional and should be abolished. The Marines do not count since they are a division under the Navy. This is why literal interpretation of the Constitution is very stupid.

            Anyway, this is not a constitutional question. It is a business contract between the corporation and the customer, which is covered under contract and tort law.

          • DBK

            He was simply making a comparison. At no point did he allure that he lost any kind of rights. Your the one being a little literal.

          • xyzlene

            nsa, patriot act 1,2, and 3. to obtain a permit to protest with a party of 50 people or more. once the permit is obtained. one cannot voice their opinions in front said establishment.

            you want proof. it happened at the g20 in pittsburgh. when junior bush came to nyc for the republican convention…

            the list goes on.

          • Raven

            As someone who only averages around 500MB a month, but likes that occasional video to come down fast, I am all for this, as long as the cap stays up there at 5GB which seems just insane usage. Now, if they brought it down to 1GB I might be getting a little more worried.

          • Raven

            As someone who only averages around 500MB a month, but likes that occasional video to come down fast, I am all for this, as long as the cap stays up there at 5GB which seems just insane usage. Now, if they brought it down to 1GB I might be getting a little more worried.

          • LinuxLover

            It is, and I’ve posted it before where it says it right in the agreement you make. However, if it is capped, then don’t market it as being “unlimited”. Seriously, I’m not a Droid owner, yet, but I’m waiting on the Droid Bionic to jump in. This is giving me serious reservations. I won’t be a heavy user, but still…it’s the principle of it! Don’t market it to me one way, then have all these restrictions that take it all away.

          • Persiandeity

            I have a droid, and I on average use 15GB (NOT TETHERED) and I NEVER have overage charges… it IS unlimited… where does it say 5GB for a PHONE?… P.S. I Work for VZW as a sales associate… I have read the book back and forth, doesn’t say this anywhere in the latest or any of the recent ones in the last 2 years…

            P.S. VZW has been “throtteling” speeds for a LONG time.. they’ve just now put it in writing… ever tried downloading a HUGE file during peak hours? yeah, they slow the HELL out of you… sorry guys…

          • Rpacelli88

            Verizon will penalized you for 25-30 days….I rented Tangle the movie while in vacation for the kids, downloaded into my computer (it took 32 hours- over 3 days while computer was on), i do not use internet that often but pay for it monthly and they slow me down a lots…..called and the guy at verizon said they DO intentionally slow you down for the next 20-30 days and are told to tell the customers that the whole network is slow, so they can’t do a thing. Busted verizon…Unlimited is Unlimited… and come on…a kid’s movie….from a internet card used in a computer (not even a phone)…

          • LinuxLover

            It is, and I’ve posted it before where it says it right in the agreement you make. However, if it is capped, then don’t market it as being “unlimited”. Seriously, I’m not a Droid owner, yet, but I’m waiting on the Droid Bionic to jump in. This is giving me serious reservations. I won’t be a heavy user, but still…it’s the principle of it! Don’t market it to me one way, then have all these restrictions that take it all away.

          • LinuxLover

            I went and found where the limit your connection to a theoretical 5GB a month:

            “Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine–to–machine connections or peer–to–peer (P2P) file sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited. A person engaged in prohibited uses, continuously for one hour, could typically use 100 to 200 MBs, or, if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GBs in a month.

            For individual use only and not for resale. We reserve the right to protect our network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Unlimited Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.”

          • Anonymous

            I don’t see that on Verizon’s site. I see that referenced on the net for AT&T, but not Verizon.

          • LinuxLover

            It seems they’ve changed it. That used to be in their terms and agreement. It seems I can’t find it, currently. When that clause was originally published, it was buried deep in the terms and agreement. Maybe, under pressure, they’ve relented?

          • Mr. Joshua

            Looks like it also prohibits Pandora

          • Anonymous

            So using it for downloading video is prohibited, which prohibits youtube use. Yet they market the use of youtube as a selling tool for these devices. Shananigana

          • DBK

            Only if it’s continuous. Doing it moderately is one thing, but doing it all the time quite another.

          • Anonymous

            what I read said top 5% of users, so that means there isn’t a set point where they begin to throttle you. The 5GB and other set values are from other carriers already doing this.

        • Anonymous

          I can easily get over 5GB with my Droid with no tethering. I signed a contract for unlimited, 3G data. That implicitly means 3G speeds. If they data throttle me, I’ll claim materially adverse and jump ship with no ETF. This is a bunch of crap.

          • http://www.facebook.com/derek.dt Derek Robinson

            By the looks of what LinuxLover posted, Verizon already covered their bases in the contract agreement.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t think that clause is for the unlimited plan on smartphones. I’d like a link to the actual page on Verizon’s site, since I didn’t see it there.

            Also, I’ve heard Verizon say that the top 4% of their customers use over 2GB a month, so I’d expect this to affect people using only 1-2GB a month (much more 3-5GB).

        • Anonymous

          Wrong, they say “unlimited” data. What somebody uses it for is none of their business. They should really say “unlimited unless you use it to tether”. let’s not forget that though tethering is an easy and most common way to rack up usage, somebody could do the same by watching a hell of a lot of hq youtube videos. Or porn!

      • Anonymous

        It’s more like paying for a toll road and being told you have to drive at a certain speed, wich is what happens.

        • Anonymous

          If you want to take it that way.

          “It’s more like paying for a toll road and being told you have to drive at a certain speed” While you still pay the same amount as the others that are allowed to drive faster than you.

          • Anonymous

            They are allowed to drive faster because you got pulled over for speeding.

          • Anonymous

            What about those of us that use a lot of data with no tethering (Pandora, YouTube, ROM downloads)? I signed on with the implicit understanding that I would have unlimited data at 3G speeds. To use your analogy, it would go like this:

            “It’s like a toll road that charges a monthly fee for unlimited use of the toll road. You sign up for it, even though it’s a little pricey, because it’s not only along your route to work, but also easy access to your friend’s houses and where you shop/dine. Then, after you sign up, they decide to tell you that they’re going to put a speed governor on your car limiting you to 20MPH (while others zip by at 65MPH) to be ‘fair’ to their new customers (since they previously didn’t allow Toyotas on their roads, and now they do).”

          • Anonymous

            Unlimited data = unlimited speed.

          • Anonymous

            My confusion here is unlimited lol. In all honesty, though I disagree with slugging someone down purposefully, only the amount is guaranteed to be unlimited, but the speeds are not guaranteed.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah I know, that’s kind of why the toll road analogy didn’t work well.

            They advertise is as unlimited, and as such you should not be penalized for utilizing that claim.

            If they advertised it as 2GB(random number, I don’t know the real one) cap, then throttled service after, and lowered the price it would be fine with me. That’s not the case though, you’re getting penalized(or a speeding ticket) for using the data package as advertised. Completely unfair.

          • DBK

            They advertise the data usage, which you get. The speeds are covered by the fine print, which says they aren’t guaranteed.

          • Anonymous

            Join the rest of the conversation please.

          • DBK

            If you are implying that I did not follow the conversion properly and erred in my response, I can assure you I did and responded appropriately. The whole toll booth analogy may not work, but you are grouping the speed in with the advertised unlimited data, an error I took the liberty of pointing out.

          • Anonymous

            No, the whole point of this is they are penalizing people for using their “unlimited” data plans. If they don’t want people using that much they should advertise it as such. I don’t see how you, or anyone else, can possible perceive this as OK.

            Speeds not being “guaranteed” means that the network signal isn’t always at full strength every place you may be. It does not mean “we’ll choke you if you use too much of our ‘unlimited’ plan.”

            I barely go over 1GB a month and even I can see how wrong this is.

          • DBK

            You are not seeing the big picture. There are people out there who abuse the unlimited data plan to the point of making the data usage much more difficult for the the rest. These phones aren’t meant to be used as a replacement for laptops/netbooks/computers and the terms and agreements state as much (with the exception of the Atrix). Hence the change in policy. It’s not fair that only a minority of the users are allowed to experience the full capabilities of the network (usually illegally) at the expense of everyone else.

            If the hogs need to be slowed down every once in a while to allow me to fully experience what I pay for, then I’m ok with it.

          • Mcchrism12

            I don’t think its being a “hog” when I signed a contract that states “UNLIMITED” !

          • Octotron

            I paid for a plan that allowed for no speeding tickets, but am getting pulled over anyway.

            un·lim·it·ed   
            [uhn-lim-i-tid]
            –adjective
            1. not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.
            2. boundless; infinite; vast: the unlimited skies.
            3. without any qualification or exception; unconditional

        • http://twitter.com/mkw87 Matthew

          You both have valid points, but cleetose’s is closer to reality.

      • Anonymous

        I disagree. With Verizon’s current data plan you don’t pay for any specific speed. You just pay for an unlimited connection which is generally understood to be 5GB (but you can go over it). This isn’t like a home cable connection where you pay for a certain speed.

        Still sucks, but is understandable.

        • Anonymous

          Except you do pay for 3G speed. That’s why you signed on.

          • DBK

            You signed on for unlimited data usage. The 3G speed is basically forced on you because there is no other option when you sign up (at least for smartphones) until 4G is available in your area. The majority don’t even consider the speeds when they sign up, just that the usage is unlimited. So for the majority of users (to which this change caters to), this is fair. For the minority (the phone geeks and data hogs) this is a blow. They will just have to start showing a little control in their usage.

          • Andrew112

            3G is not a specific speed. It’s an average speed. If u get throttled after passing 2-3GBs of data, u received 3G speeds on average. Mobile bandwidth is not limitless.

      • http://beez1717.myopenid.com/ beez1717

        No it’s like you are told you can go as fast as you want if you travel under 200 miles this week, but you must go 60 MPH if you want to go farther…

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PP2KC2NKYXJ5AUNAJWRZTBRPUA Matty G

        So you’re saying that to solve the unlimited 3G problem women shouldn’t be allowed to drive on toll roads?

    • DBK

      I actually tend to agree. Although it should probably be the top 1 or 2%, this policy change is actually not a negative, for a change. At least for those of us who aren’t data hogs.

      (btw: I only use around 1GB -if that- per month, so this doesn’t affect me)

      • http://perpetualn00b.tumblr.com quiklives

        I’m usually between 1-2. I work all day (where I can’t use my phone) and I’m on wifi when I’m home.

        I think it’s fair, because as another poster mentioned, it pisses me off when MY data speed drops off a cliff for no reason. I live in FL and it’s kind of ridiculous how much slower my 3G is in the winter when the snowbirds get here.

        • DBK

          That’s happened to me, too. Not fun.

      • http://perpetualn00b.tumblr.com quiklives

        I’m usually between 1-2. I work all day (where I can’t use my phone) and I’m on wifi when I’m home.

        I think it’s fair, because as another poster mentioned, it pisses me off when MY data speed drops off a cliff for no reason. I live in FL and it’s kind of ridiculous how much slower my 3G is in the winter when the snowbirds get here.

  • tbaybe

    AND HOW DO U KNOW IF U ARE IN THE TOP 5%??

    • RaptorOO7

      You will know when your data slows to a crawl for a month or two.

      • Anonymous

        Only the remainder of that billing cycle, which would be a month or less.

        • Mr. Joshua

          “we may reduce your data throughput speeds periodically for the remainder of your then current and immediately following billing cycle”

          A month plus

    • xyzlene

      yeah. they need to stress this to the new customer. i want to see data info of what constitutes high use.

      the color blue comes in many shades.

      if im driving for 10 hours and using pandora and google gps would that be considered a power user???

      vzn needs toset paramaters on this. i can easily see a class action lawsuit in the future.

  • http://twitter.com/OreWaZero Christopher Zoellner

    Well it was a fun ride while it lasted. Had to assume this would happen eventually.

  • Jeremy Gentry

    actually….i thought i would be mad at this, but this is a WIN! i hate it when my 3g lags out for no apparent reason. DAMN U TETHERERS! LOL

  • Travislufsey

    i will be ok