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You Should Be Scared of Verizon’s Shared Data Plans [Opinion]

 

Verizon’s CFO Fran Shammo spoke at the JP Morgan Media and Telecom conference this morning, providing further detail on their plans for shared or family data tiers. During his conversation, he mentioned the end of grandfathered unlimited data plans, but before that he talked specifically about these shared tiers. While he didn’t go into detail on how they would be priced or structured as far as data amounts go, he did say that Verizon will have no problem making money off of them in the very near future. 

Here is the quote:

We want the connections to come in and the way we’ve designed our plan, this plan is built on tiers. And as we look at the future growth of LTE consumption because of the speeds and video consumption and consumption of other end-to-end type devices, it’s going to be more important that people will start to upgrade in the tiers as they start to really realize the benefits of the LTE network.

So two things here. One is, revenue will continue to grow as we get into data shared plans and people start to connect more devices (as my pad example). And then over the future time, as they add more devices, they are going to have to buy up in tiers. So again you will see the revenue increase there.

The way we designed this, we really shouldn’t see a short term decline.

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As I’m listening to him say all of this, my jaw slowly dropped to my desk and remained there for a few minutes. Investors and shareholders are probably ecstatic that Shammo feels this way, however, what about us, the consumer?

To me at least, all I took from this conversation was that these tiers have been researched and built so perfectly, that you and I will be forced to purchase up in them. There will be a base of sorts that your family can nibble on, but as we continue to realize how powerful LTE is and decide that we want to connect more and more devices to it, that we will also be forced to pay more and more. These weren’t created to make your life simple, although that may be one of the selling points. No, these were created with the idea that as data consumption grows, you won’t have a choice but to pay more to get more data to use. Welcome to the future of mobile data.

Look, again, I get that this is a business for Verizon and they need to make money. But with that said, the upgrade fees, online bill pay fees, ending of “New Every Two” deals, removal of 1-year contracts, and of course unlimited data have become a bit much. The scary thing is, that Verizon won’t be the only one to make this move. You can jump ship if you don’t like it, but don’t expect that your next carrier will avoid the shared data model for long. Verizon didn’t create this as a test, they created it to be the future.

I guess there hasn’t been a better time to upgrade.

  • Guest

    Wow… getting far, far more data than I could ever use… and at a fair price? Don’t you just hate that!

    Besides… I have extremely high speed wi-fi at work and home and 1000s of other locations. I simple connect to that… for my bandwidth hogging apps.

    • FknTwizted

      OK verizon’s CFO Fran Shammo. No go back to screwing us so you can buy your next house or something.

  • LoyalCustumer

    Please Start a Petition to stop them!

  • tek1231

    I really don’t want to leave VZW because their coverage has been great for me so I guess rather than “upgrading”, I’ll be buying my phones at full retail moving forward so that I can keep my unlimited data plan. For my usage, it would be worth it to pay the extra up front for a new phone.

  • http://twitter.com/tomjuarez Tom Juarez

    Where are all the app makers and content providers in this? Seems vzw is completely pulling the rug out from under them – arent they pissed too?

  • joder

    Start writing your local congressmen and women – no one likes more regulation but that is just what might have to happen.

  • pwr1094

    Time to get rid of my smart phone. I have a computer at work and home this will have to do. I refuse to pay Verizon any more for a phone.

    • Trooper

      Yeah that is what I will end up doing at some point myself. VZW just charges way too much as it is. Now when this drops, I will be done. Dumb phone here I come. Lol.

  • http://twitter.com/ChrisCorp ChristopherCorpening

    This gives me shivers and I peed a little.

  • frankandsimple

    I’ll be looking at either T-Mobile or prepaid. This will probably serve a much needed kick to our butts and force us to re-think the NEED of smartphones in our lives. Is it really worth shelling out more than 100 bucks a month for a device when you have internet at home and at work anyway?

    When Customers show Austerity, Corporations will clamor for our business.
    When Customers act like spoiled children, changing phones every 3 months, corporations will loot us in broad daylight.

    • Nelson Munz

      T-Mobile has the best pre-paid options right now. They have decent coverage on a relatively fast network, unlike Sprints (Virgin Mobile & Boost) or smaller pre-paids like MetroPCS.
      That being said, if T-Mobile turns around their business and obtains a large increase of subscribers, they will probably start acting like Verizon and AT&T and gouge customers.

  • ceejw

    Well looks like I’m buying a Nexus off the playstore and switching to T-mobile once this gets applied to my plan.

    • bakdroid

      Only if the T-Mo girl delivers it and I can ride her……..I mean ride with her….. :D

    • RedPandaAlex

      that’s what i did a couple weeks ago. Liking it so far, but admittedly, I’ve just been in the city since then and can’t attest much to t-mobile’s network. But it should be cheaper in the long run too. It’s no LTE, but 8mps on HSPA+ is about the speed of my home wifi, so not really complaining.

  • http://twitter.com/BlackTaxi2d Henry S

    hahahahahahah

    now where are all the people who say

    OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST CAPITALISM RULEZ !!!1!!!

    this is pure capitalism, now how do you feel? do you want regulation? it is not a free market in this case. your laissez-faire market is FAILING.

    VZW made $28.2 MILLION last quarter and you, the lonely middle class tech nerd is losing this game.

    • bakdroid

      Sad and BS!….but so true.

    • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

      And you are? Lonely high-class tech nerd? Go fly a model airplane into a Verizon Store.

    • RobMorris

      But the good thing is, if enough people realize that this is bullshit and no ones buying it. Then verizon will be forced to go back to unlimited due to their screw up

      • Trey Motes

        Yep, that’s how capitalism works. Push and pull, supply and demand.

    • Trey Motes

      Yes it is capitalism. You think this is proof that capitalism is evil? Piss off. It’s simply a company trying to make money in a dumb way.

      I will be leaving them if this ends up affecting me. Why? Because I have the freedom to CHOOSE who I want to pay for cell service. You like socialism? How about ONE carrier, because that’s what socialized cell service would be. Capitalism allows and BREEDS choice.

      And btw, great job turning a crappy VZW moment into some stupid Occupy Wallstreet sounding crap. Bravo genius.

      • OhAaron

        Oh yeah, because there is only one cell provider in Europe, where prices are totally regulated..

        • Trey Motes

          Who said Europe has socialized cell service? Do you even know what socialized means? In this context, it means government subsidized… I don’t know of the European country that has a single cell service for everyone by their government… I was basing my comment off of a marxist model…

          Nice try at being sarcastic though.

          • quiklives

            Marxism isn’t socialism, and vice versa. Nor is Pres. Obama a socialist. I know the GOP seems to misunderstand this, but that doesn’t mean everyone has to. The definitions are pretty clear and widely available.

          • Trey Motes

            Ugh… socialism is based on marxism, in fact, here ya go, read away:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_(Marxism)

    • Bezpredel

      So VZ has over 90M wireless subscribers, and you are bitching that they make about 1 dollar a year on each one of them??? I suspect this is highly inaccurate, but if it was it would be an example of how badly they are managed, not how well capitalism works for them.

      • Trey Motes

        Apparently this clown thinks the world would be better off if BIG government controlled BIG business… it always makes me laugh. These people somehow think the government is angelic while business owners and CEO’s are evil…

        • PinkoCommie

          @Trey, and you, clown, use the term “Big” government very conveniently as a crutch for your piss poor and mimicked arguments for your position. Did you know that Verizon ALONE was subsidized by “Big government” in tax breaks to the tune of
          $12.3 Billion dollars over the last three years alone? God Damn “Big Government” at it again walloping business. :(

          • Trey Motes

            I’m sorry, how is a tax break government control you idiot? Tax breaks are GOOD for business… I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here, but you look like a fool right now.

      • Dave Maillet
    • http://twitter.com/jownzy jownzy

      Actually, I believe it would be called an oligopoly.

    • Charlie

      hahahahahahaa is right! You are a dumb ass. Go occupy some other place for other reasons that you also do not understand.

    • kevinc

      $28.2 million is not very much on the grand scheme of things for a very large company. i’m surprised it wasn’t in the hundreds of millions.

      oh, and it’s their right to do what they want to make as much money as possible. the beauty of capitalism is that it breeds competition, another carrier will take advantage of verizon’s move.

    • Dave Maillet

      Um…it’s BILLION. $28.2 BILLION in a quarter. They are NOT hurting for money.
      http://www.twice.com/article/483349-Verizon_Wireless_Profits_Rise_Subsidy_Reductions_Seen.php

  • jjrudey

    I’d give up LTE for unlimited data.

    • FortitudineVincimus

      This change and the $30 new fee are reasons alone for me to just stick to my OD Droid 3G until it dies and be like F*** it.

  • shdowman

    What you fail to mention, that Verizon FULLY realizes, is that the masses will not know any better at all. Who is really going to jump ship? Several hundred, maybe a thousand +?

    It is us who are the smarter for it and VZW is not scared of us in any way.

  • skant153

    i almost feel like ditching the phone/messaging part and getting a data plan and using google voice. perhaps google should look into google voice mobile over their own 4g

    • MyStroPro

      The only issue is you can’t use Google Voice for calling on Verizon. It’s blocked from everything I’ve read. You may be able to with Skype, but again, you’ll be paying a fee to two separate providers.

      • Trey Motes

        It’s not blocked. I’ve done it. You simply have to set up a SIP service to forward the calls to your GV number. VZW can’t stop you from doing that.

        • MyStroPro

          You’re just call forwarding though aren’t you? You’re not calling through Google Voice and you are still using minutes.

          For clarification, I’m not talking about the voice mail feature of Google Voice. I’m talking about using it as straight VoIP provider so you only require a data connection.

          • Trey Motes

            Yes I’m using pure data. A sip service acts as the phone line (you need a separate app for this depending on Android version) when someone calls the GV number, it forwards to the SIP number. Sip service calls the app. Boom data only call.

  • http://twitter.com/ProphetBeal ProphetBeal

    I say we cut this cord too…I’ve gone back to the antenna for my TV and now it looks like I’ll be moving back to a mobile phoneless world. Long live the beepers!!

  • Larizard

    So I have an OG Droid + Unlimited 3G with Verizon, due for an upgrade last year, December 2011. Does this mean it’s time for me to upgrade to a Galaxy Nexus? If I sign another 2-yr contract tomorrow, will I be locked in for another 2 years of unlimited data? Or is there something in there that says they can force us to switch to shared-tier plans even if my new contract is not yet up?

    • T4rd

      If you upgrade and sign a new contract right now, then you’ll keep unlimited data for the next two years until your contract expires. Even if they decide to pull your unlimited data in the middle of your contract, then that will allow you to leave Verizon ETF-free and sell your phone toward your next phone on another carrier.

    • FknTwizted

      While on contract no… anything after that is fair game.

  • Charles Rogers

    Go ahead, put me on your tiered data. I’ll just switch to a Prepaid phone, and use your towers anyway.

  • user311

    wtb google subsidized unlimited data plan… idc if they monitor my unsecured traffic…

  • LoyalCustumer

    Verizon is not being the same as before, the future will be better? or frightening for pockets?

  • SecurityNick
  • RedPandaAlex

    Yet another reason to go with unlocked phones. Carriers should be big dumb pipes. And they should live in constant fear of us switching to the next pipe over next month if their pipe is a little better or a little cheaper.

  • http://www.kovdev.com/ koveleski

    We need a not-for-profit provider that simply puts all their money into quality service and offers more affordability then where all the current companies are headed.

    • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

      This. (Cue the right-wingers crying “socialism”.)

      • GolfOx

        I know how you can get a free phone and 250 minutes a month…..

  • fanTom007

    Unlimited Data = Happy Customer ’nuff said.

  • summit1986

    Jesus, between this and Error 37, this week has been total crap.

    • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

      Not to mention Apple causing HTC One X shipments to cease because of some trivial patent from 1996 that everyone and their mother has infringed upon. Not a great legal precedent.

  • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

    I don’t believe for a second that other carriers will follow their lead. Cell service prices have gone DOWN over time. Perhaps slowly, but still down. The author sounds like a Verizon apologist with comments like that.

    They’re making a killing off of the prices they charge for cell data usage. It’s not like the average smartphone user sits there consuming a constant stream of data like they would on their home Internet connection. Hell, I’m stuck using a 2GB data plan because if I switch to the 200 MB, it’s too easy to go over and pay more. On average I don’t even use 1/4th of my allotment. Even though it’s T-Mobile, and therefore cheaper than most, I’m paying $20 for 500 MB of usage in a month. Compare that to $47.95 for my home Internet, which I get about 150 GB out of.

    They look at us and see dollar signs. I wish more people would wake up and support the “little guy” carriers.

    • David Hollinger

      Are you on 3G or LTE, though. At speeds of 15-26Mbps – you could easily go over 2GB in a month just doing normal things online as most apps adjust based on bandwidth, NOT on if you’re using WiFi or LTE

      • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

        HSPA+. I get a consistent 8 mbps and a very low ping. Not LTE-level, but certainly not slow.

        I know I could easily go above 2GB. My argument is most people aren’t data intensive users.

        My point though, was that there was no other option for my particular usage. It’s somewhere in between the lowest and mid-tier plans. The 2GB gives “unlimited” (throttled) and the low doesn’t. So, $20 period, or $10 plus another $10 if I go over.

        I guess I shouldn’t complain though, compared to Verizon and AT&T’s prices.

        Also: Why the hell are we locked into data plans? That’s total B.S… I’d just as soon go without and stick to Wifi when I’m around it.

    • Guest

      Have you seen some of the coverage maps for “the little guys”? What good are they if they rare cover the city I’m in?

      • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

        I’m considering T-Mobile a little guy, and their coverage map is pretty darn good.

  • rcpa

    Sure, as you see the value of 4g and start to connect more devices, you will want to use more data and will be forced to upgrade your data plan. However, today as you connect more devices you are forced to pay $30 a month for each device even if you use the device a couple of times a month. If you have 10 connected devices, wouldn’t you want to pay for the bandwidth you use rather than $30 dollars per device?

    • http://twitter.com/strifejester Justin Ellenbecker

      As long as they allow hotspots and tablet to be added since a 4G hotspot is $50 a month. Now that it is summer i barely use it but i keep it on a contract because I use it to swap other devices around hehe.

    • GolfOx

      I agree, Pay for what you get. I pay$30 for two phones and we use 3 gigs a month together. I hope I’ll save a few bucks. I have no problem with folks who use 50-100 gigs a month paying for them. They are the same ones who are tethering without paying for a plan. Gosh I guess thet will pay on a shared data plan…….

  • http://twitter.com/jefmes Jeff Messer

    So wait, I didn’t read all comments to see if anyone already said this, but….how is that different than buying a new plan for each device? It’s not that scary. Verizon will try to screw us no doubt, but I don’t think it’ll going to hurt. I like the idea of one plan with many devices.

  • sway

    This would be the best time for sprint to not hop aboard this and take all customers that want unlimited data, not saying they wont but if they were smart they should keep what they have…just make their 3g better and adopt 4g. The people will come.

  • http://twitter.com/smittylinc JCS

    I sure hope I can skirt the issue by continuing to buy phones on ebay or away from VZ.

  • MIke

    End of Unlimited data? Goodbye Verizon! with that and paying even more for NFL mobile good riddence.

  • frozen-one

    And they ask why there are so many hackers?

  • Snow02

    Simple, don’t renew your contract. That may mean buying phones six months out to avoid paying $600 for a new one, but it’s worth it. If you use a lot of data anyways. I’ve found I average around 5-6 GB/month, and I’ll be damned if I’m paying more than $30/month for data on a phone. The value proposition just isn’t there.

    • bakdroid

      It is not that simple. You won’t have unlimited data without contract. That is the only thing protecting people right now. If you are off contract, you will be automactically put on a data teir whether you like it or not. The only solution is to not have any data and go back to flip phones. Otherwise, bend over and get use to it.

      • AE35

        He’s right. Did you think getting around this was really that simple?

    • RoadsterHD1

      I agree, I use 20 to 30Gb a month and will not pay more. I’ll never upgrade or change my plan in any way. I’ll just, like you said, buy a phone from eBay or something and have the number switched. No fuss no muss.

  • http://twitter.com/ninjahippie Shawn Mammon

    I’m thinking of simply dropping my plan altogether – buying phones off Ebay and using something like GrooVe IP. Republicwireless is also starting to look good.

    Keep pushing carriers. We’ll push back – and there’s a lot more of us…

  • ScottyfromGA

    just wait for the ones thats gonna have a huge class action lawsuit against them for this….hopefully a petition OR suit is already in the works. This is total bullsh!t!

  • Destroythanet

    Which is the lesser of two evils: ATT’s throttling of unlimited data users or Verizon’s plan to move unlimited users to tiered plans?

    • T4rd

      They’re both just as bad and enough reason for you to move to another carrier.

      • skant153

        where would you go? att has tiered, sprint has a lower and unreliable network, t-mobile isn’t LTE

        • Charles Rogers

          HSPA is probably good enough.

        • T4rd

          Depends on your area. Sprint is good where I’m at since I’m not in a Verizon 4G area anyways. No one here has issues with them. T-Mobiles 42 Mb/s HSPA+ is just as good as LTE in some markets too. I’ve seen people get over 20 Mb/s on it consistently. I would rather have that and be throttled past a certain point than be charged per GB over my cap.

  • ScottyfromGA

    Guys, face it….these providers now have the mentality that they can do as they please. Unlimited Data should be OUR choice, not what you are gonna be forced to go to. If I’m paying you 80 bucks a month EACH for 2 phones, you have ZERO friggin right to tell me that I will have to go to any type of plan. I do have the right to tell you that YOU (VZW) can suck my balls cause I’m not losing my data and not gonna have to “choose” when I wanna use my phone to do anything….

    stuff like this pisses me off to the point to where I’m gonna go back to being without a phone…lived 19 years without one, can go another 75 without it. THEY need to realize this.

    • jcuvs

      Ugh, why is my $108/month phone bill for ONE phone not enough? Unlimited data was the only thing I had going for me.

  • http://www.reedpop.com Milton

    waiting for the petition to get to me, cause i’m signing it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10602828 Mike Hilal

    Im a bit confused…this sounds like it affects shared data plans and/or unlimited 3G only plans. What if you have neither?

    • Sven Enterlein

      They’ll get you next time ;)

  • summit1986

    Forget petitions… I’m fed up with playing the politically correct game. It’s time for some good old-fashioned molotov cocktails. Nothin’ says lovin’ like a good old riot.

    • summit1986

      Stop voting my comment down Shammo, you’re not welcome here anymore.

    • LiterofCola

      Way to incite criminal activity, jackass

      • kevinc

        LOL, no one is going to start rioting based on a comment on the internet. get over yourself, you’re the one that looks like a jackass

        • LiterofCola

          Naaaah, not really. You on the other hand however…..

  • Sven Enterlein

    This entire development is why I am very wary of all the cloud storage and online streaming apps. The more people use the services the more carriers can and will exploit this need and eventually dependence. For me this is a good reason to purchase a device that has either plenty of on-board storage or expandable storage.

    • Raven

      32GB MicroSD’s are getting pretty cheap and I would never buy a phone that didn’t accept one.

      • guest

        Stop storing massive TV shows and full HD movies on your *PHONE*.

        No matter how I pack data into my phone… I still am only using about 25% of the 8GB card.

        • theentropic

          I’ve got 17GB of music alone… how do you suppose I fit that onto your 8GB card?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeremy.turnley Jeremy Turnley

            Sorry, but that’s an idiotic response – I saw people saying the same thing to complain about the AT&T One X “only” having 16GB onboard.

            Maybe don’t carry 17GB of music all at once? That’s what, 2500 songs, conservatively? Which equates to approximately 6 DAYS of non-stop playback without repeating? Why do you need to carry that much music all at once? Maybe you could just swap 8 hours worth in at a time like any reasonable person would?

          • theentropic

            Sorry, but you missed the point entirely. To add to what I said based on your statement – what if my circumstances don’t let me “swap 8 hours worth at a time like any reasonable person would” on a semi-regular basis? What if I don’t WANT to spend the time doing it? What if I’m traveling, and WANT 6 days worth of music on my phone?

            The whole point is that what works for you… DOESN’T WORK for someone else. I’m glad YOU think 16GB on board is plenty; but other people don’t. For you to think of them as idiotic is your opinion, but you’re really just trying to force your views onto everyone else, and calling people names when you don’t like what they think.

          • joe moma

            buy a ipod

          • GolfOx

            Playlists, you will like them

      • http://twitter.com/jdhas jdhas

        Unless, of course, you bought a G-Nex…

  • thecharrr

    Or I can get Straight Talk for $45/month with unlimited everything

  • http://twitter.com/DannyAree DannyAree ? ツ
    • T4rd

      Only going up to 100 signatures?

      • http://twitter.com/DannyAree DannyAree ? ツ

        i wasn’t the one who made it

    • Havoc70

      Signed!

  • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

    So basically they’re looking for ways to get more money out of us. I’m only hoping T-Mobile continues to stay sane with their plans and prices.

  • T4rd

    If they force me from Unlimited to a tiered plan, they better at least offer me the highest tier plan available from unlimited for the same price. Else I’ll definitely have no problem going with T-Mobile pay as you go with unlimited everything, even it it includes being throttled past a certain point.

    Verizon is already making money off us by the boatload. I think this is the point where we vote with our wallets.

  • FortitudineVincimus

    And some of you wonder why I am such a skeptic and negative guy in my posts.. because the whole corporate world is a big work out to screw the average guy over and make you think they are helping you all while knowing they are bending you over and trying to make you feel ok about it.

    • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

      Do yourself a favor and never find the need to defend your cynicism. I’m right there with you.

    • Guest

      I hate it when companies try to make money. I want everything… and for free.

      If I owned a big company… I would only charge $1 for totally unlimited data!
      I wouldn’t want my company to earn me (and all the investors) millions of dollars in profit! That would be awful!

      • CorporateAnarchy

        It’s people like you “guest,” sucking corporate schlong, that teaches corporations they can do whatever the hell they want (even as government subsidies and corporate monopolies force consumers into having fewer options for services).

        When we stop subsidizing Corporate America then I’d say we’d have less right to bitch and moan. Until then… I say hit the bastards anyway we can.

        Power to the people!

    • James

      Did you fail to realize that you hold all the power in that scenario?

      • Trevor

        It would be nice to think we have the power here, but if all US carriers end up doing similar things, then we’re screwed no matter what. Unless you can find an alternative to owning a cell phone.

        • kevinc

          it’s called prepaid phones if you really need a cell phone. but no one really needs one.

      • http://twitter.com/IBelieveinSteve Steve Peter

        A “power bottom” if you will

  • David

    Dear Verizon Wireless,

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    ……………….,/¯…/
    ………………./…./
    ……………/´¯/’..’/´¯¯`·¸
    ………../’/…/…./……/¨¯
    ……….(‘(….´…´… ¯~/’..’)
    …………………….’…../
    …………………….._.·´
    ………………………(
    ……………………….
    Sincerely,The future customers of Sprint.

    • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

      Sprint? Only if you want to continue being unhappy.

    • http://twitter.com/AthoraX athorax

      I’m all for ditching big red, but sprint sucks balls. Seriously. People are going to flood to sprint and their network is going to get absolutely destroyed.

      • http://twitter.com/InyRules Iny

        I second this. Unlimited data is only good if the network can support it. I left Sprint because their 3G network was close to unusable in my area, especially after they nabbed the iPhone. Their network just can’t support a large user base. With wimax barely working where it is available, and no LTE markets up yet, EVERYONE is on their 3G.

        • kazelement

          yeah as 3G it sucks. but when they light up LTE im sure they’ll get a lot better. well until they crash like VZW did.

          • http://www.binarybulge.com/ BinaryBulge

            They’d probably crash the same day they released it. Seriously Sprint doesn’t have the infrastructure for this. They can’t even handle the customer traffic they already have.

          • kazelement

            its true i sprint, it was completely unusable on 3G like 80% of the time and i live near chicago so major network here and nah it sucks! luckily i got a corporate VZW gnex, there for im quite sure my unlimited will be left alone.

      • bakdroid

        This

      • JDHokie

        And then Sprint is going to cut their unlimited data package one day. The grass might be greener temporarily, but soon it will be trampled brown.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cherie-A-Bennett/100001003273727 Cherie A Bennett

          This. People are nuts if they think Sprint will keep their unlimited data plans. Aren’t they losing a ton of money because of shacking up with Apple? They gotta recoup that cost somehow.

          • Christopher Riner

            Exactly. Verizon’s big and strong enough to put this plan into action, and T-mobile will be the only one to hold out, just so that they can hold on– and even that won’t last forever.

            Fact of the matter is, its just the next time that Verizon is planning to make us bend over and grab our ankles. And they ain’t planning no reach around.

        • angermeans

          How is it greener when sprint doesn’t even have LTE and won’t for years (at least one of decent size)? Not to mention since getting the iPhone sprint has struggled even getting half a mega bit down and much less up. You can have unlimited data bu I it is slow why would you want it. Don’t worry as sprint is only a few months off of ditching their nlimited as well and I bet it hits bout the time they get their first couple LTE markets launched

          • Fattie McDoogles

            You’re definitely right they are going to get rid of it. But it is and will be their biggest selling point for awhile. I see them getting rid of unlimited data on the other side of the iPhone becoming profitable. So 2015-2016 time frame.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1225957957 Adam Brandt

        I would even go to T-Mobile…yes they are tiered, but A LOT cheaper then Verizon. When they turn 4G on in the 1900mhz range, I am there

    • rals

      You don’t think Sprint will do the same? If they ever get their LTE network up and running, you bet they will do the same. That idiot Hesse is going to go that route, since he made a deal with the devil (Apple) on the iphone.

      • lgreg

        They all will be going this way by next year this time there will be no unlimited data and that sucks. They get you hooked on cloud this and that now the price goes up.

    • Clay S.

      i direct this at the iphone. the stigma of it using more data than anyone else, coupled with this data plan launching in summer makes it a perfect snag for people going to an LTE iphun.

    • bakdroid

      Sprint? No thanks, I want to actually use the phone I have and not be on 1x speed.

    • MotoRulz

      Dear Verizon Wireless

      Did you see what happened to Netflix when they tried to pull a fast one on their customers all in the name of streamlining service (company profits)? Hundreds of thousands of people cancelled and the stock fell in the toilet. Don’t think that your above that…

      Sincerely, former Netflix customer, possibly former Verizon customer

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Larry-Mahnken/512385833 Larry Mahnken

        The magic of a two year contract.

        • jldleo

          I’m sure there are hundreds of thousands if not million(s) of customers who are out of contract that can excersise their option to cancel.

          • pantsman

            I’m one. Been waiting for a phone worth upgrading. Unlimited data was the only thing keeping me with VZW.

        • dodge4bbl

          I will be gone regardless of early termination fees!

        • http://www.facebook.com/spcecil Seth P. Cecil

          you can opt out of the new contract when they change it, so if they change your plan before you contract is up, your free to walk if you dont agree to the new terms.

          • Fattie McDoogles

            No… you missed it. They are changing the data when you upgrade. Therefore you can not opt out. You either re-up or wait to be out of contract (if you aren’t at time of upgrade) and walk away.

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  • Greg Morgan

    I’m not sure if i’m scared in general about data plans. I’m scared of the fact that these cell providers can basically do what they want to their clients and have no repercussions. They’re not monitored like Banks are.

    • Butters619

      And once Verizon does it AT&T will follow suit. And there is nothing we can do about it besides go to Sprint. But you damn well know they’ll hop on this train too.

    • http://twitter.com/Defenestratus Defenestratus

      Yeah, Government regulation seemed to help a whole lot during the banking crisis. If anything it continues to hurt the financial industry.

      The last thing you want is the government sticking its head in here. Talk with your wallet. Go to a carrier that does have unlimited data if its important to you.

      • RedPandaAlex

        Which works, unless they’re colluding. Now I have no evidence that they are, but the trend is that their phone plans are converging rather than differentiating from each other.

        • Brian4Prez

          There is tons of government/corporate collusion. Look at the list of cabinet members for any White House or any Federal agency. All former CEO/CIOs, advisers, or lobbyists. Regardless of political party or what industry and what industry, they’re all in bed together.

      • http://twitter.com/Justinwrites Justin True Anderson

        Your mangled history is full of fail. Go actually read about how banking regulation has been conducted since 2000. K, thnx, bai.

      • Greg Morgan

        Banks were hardly regulated which is what led to the crisis. Now they’re very regulated, I know I work at one. But unfortunately in a few years, Unlimited data will be gone from every carrier.

  • epyon0

    Where is our protection from the gov’t when we need them. All carriers are going to do something like this. Its just sad consumers are pretty powerless to do anything about it. Really at the end of the day besides service & depending on where you live. What is separating these carriers as far customer benefits?

    • http://twitter.com/Defenestratus Defenestratus

      The problem is that government has fostered this oligopoly in wireless carriers. They finally drew a line in the sand with the AT&T T-Mo merger but its already too late.

      As soon as Verizon does it, AT&T will follow.

    • summit1986

      Corporations fund campaigns. No politician is dumb enough to bite the hand that feeds.

      • epyon0

        very true just wishful thinking on my part. The consumers are the end of the day have the loudest voice by leaving the company all together. But as long as Vzw has the phones they want. They can get away with this.

  • http://twitter.com/Defenestratus Defenestratus

    Whats the point in blazing fast 4G LTE when you can’t afford to use it to download a Google Play movie before you hop on a plane, or synch your google music tracks?

    Personally this will just make me use wifi more and more – it wont make me buy more data.

    • https://plus.google.com/114483312559013915960/ Timoh

      That’s what they want though. You still paying for data but not using the network. They win either way.

      • BrianWenger

        Oh my God the whole system is a scam!

        • https://plus.google.com/114483312559013915960/ Timoh

          Well yeah it is really but most businesses are run that way. Even most big “non profits” renaming their net gains as “cash reserves”

          • epyon0

            & your home ISPs are throttling you or capping you as well. So we are getting it from both ends.

          • http://twitter.com/howzball Mike

            Trust me, you’re getting it a lot more violently from your wireless company. Sure your home ISP limits and throttles but those limits are pretty high and, for what you pay your wireless carrier there’s no real comparison here. At home I get equal to 4g speed and 200Gb cap at $35 per month, show me that deal on wireless and I’m all over it.

          • epyon0

            Your’re lucky I only have 100Gb cap through my local ISP & they really have a screw you deal. Where you have to get a bundle to get that 100Gb cap. Wireless is trying to restrict high usage & have people use wifi more. I don’t ever really see caps climbing to reach what a home ISP would be.

          • NotRelevent

            Wow only 100 gigabits? That’s not much more than the highest data cap on a phone. Hope you don’t pay that much for it.

          • epyon0

            yea its pretty lame

          • Fattie McDoogles

            I’ll be signing up for that deal right behind you lol

          • http://twitter.com/strifejester Justin Ellenbecker

            Maybe its because I have 100Mbs down and 20Mbs up at home but why wouldn’t I want to use WiFi then. LTE is nowhere near the speed I get at home and how hard is it really to do a little downloading before you leave the house. Again I say though look at the plans everyone is up in arms without seeing any of the numbers.

          • http://twitter.com/kirilv Kiril

            You are pretty lucky then. My home internet (although it should be fast) is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night. Even on a 3G phone, I never connected it to my home wifi. It’s the same story with all of my friends as well.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract… that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract… that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract… that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract… that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            }}} My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract… that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            }}} My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract… that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            }}} My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract… that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            }}} My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract… that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • Guest

            > My home internet is incredibly slow, and often goes out completely at night

            Then why do you still pay for it? Call your provider and tell them to
            fix it… or you are cancelling immediately. If you have a contract…
            that doesn’t mean you still have to pay for *NO* service at night.

          • CapnShiner

            duplicate

          • CapnShiner

            duplicate

          • CapnShiner

            Sounds like you either need to move or find a new ISP

      • siphyn

        And….thats when people go back to using simple phones and say F U Verizon. Seriously, thats the problem with this country. People need to start voting with their dollars. If you think I’m going to just pay for data and not use the network. You’re out of your mind. I love smartphones, but it isn’t a necessity. I’ll go back to using a simple phone.

        • FusionSaint

          But it is almost a necessity now… not for its usefulness or capabilities. But the fact that all of their simple phones are crap. My father bought a simple phone three months ago, and it won’t even hold a charge. Took it to Verizon, got another one, broke in a week. Took it back, got another simple phone and that one doesn’t charge either. Only half of the cellphone market is smartphones yet they have already completely abandoned quality on dumbphones. It was incredible. Of course he used an upgrade on it to get it for free so that was a waste as well. There just aren’t any good products on Verizon if you are looking for a dumbphone.

          • siphyn

            There are plenty of nice phones out there. Don’t limit yourself to just the Verizon store. Of course they will have crap phones there. They want you to buy a smart phone. Try shopping online.

      • capecodcarl

        Data should be optional then and billed per megabyte (1 cent per megabyte max which works out to $10/gigabyte). Don’t force me to have a $30 data plan if I’m going to get in the mindset of not using it and sticking on WiFi to avoid overage charges. Just because I want to own an Android smartphone because it is the best phone and PDA doesn’t mean I want to buy your data services. The FCC definitely needs to get involved to force them to stop automatically bundling it.

    • Art Holguin

      If your able to use wi-fi more and more why not just use it?

      • Charles Rogers

        VOIP phones?

        • http://www.facebook.com/migoyvelez Migoy Velez

          I was thinking the same thing. It’s about time for this kind of phone to come to light. It’s time that we revolted and moved to a technology that they cannot exploit. They have become as bad as their landline counterparts back in the day.

    • http://twitter.com/InyRules Iny

      Even on an unlimited plan I was constantly on wifi, mainly to conserve battery life throughout the work day. On wifi 45+ hours a week, I barely reached 1gb of data used.

      • http://twitter.com/strifejester Justin Ellenbecker

        I am the same way, my sister who lives in the sticks and has no internet at home only uses 2.5GB a month as well out of 7 data enabled devices i use less than 6GB of data a month. If you are the kind of person that wants to download Diablo 3, all 15GB of it over LTE then you have issues. I said in a different reply i have 100Mbs down at home of course I am going to use WiFi, #firstworldproblems

        • http://twitter.com/howzball Mike

          I loathe people who still use their wireless plan while in a place with wifi, they’re the cause of this to begin with. As soon as I walk into my home or business my phone switches over, it’s pointless to use 3 or 4g if you’re in wifi range.

          • Chuckers

            I paid for it, I’ll do what I want.

          • MicroNix

            Thanks for being part of the problem.

          • tech247

            Damn disqus!

          • tech247

            Damn disqus!

          • tech247

            Then you must hate me. I have NEVER used WiFi on my Gnex. I pay $30 for unlimited data. I will use all the 3G/LTE data i want as per the term “unlimited”. That being said, i am yet to approach 3GB a month……

          • Droidzilla

            I’m in the same boat (but with a RAZR), and I routinely use over 5GB in a month. Guess I’m part of the problem. But, if that’s the case, why is not having unlimited data a problem if you’re telling everyone to use under 2GB a month? Aren’t you on Verizon’s side if you say that?

          • Christopher Hsu

            There are those of us that work in places where it is not recommended to browse certain sites on Wi-Fi provided by the employer.

          • siphyn

            Why do you loathe those people? I pay for the service. It’s advertised as Unlimited. Verizon makes millions in profits each year. You’re damn right I’m going to use the network as I please. Besides, not everyone has wifi that is faster than the LTE around them. I loathe the people like yourself that think it’s perfectly acceptable to be charged what you do for tiered data. If you want to use wifi, why not just buy an iPod touch, and be done with it. The wireless industry in this country is a mess, yet I shake my head at the people that continue to accept $100 cell phone plans with 2gb of data as just being perfectly ok.

          • LAmDroid

            Id have to agree w others in response to yours. we already pay an inflated price for the value of our wireless, Im actually stubborn enough to leave it on my wireless data when i browse and download on my phone because i frgan paid for it. and I STILL.. do NOT.. break 2GBs/mo even tho i have unlimited.

            I absolutely refuse to contribute to their numbers to have them believe that most ppl use less data by dumping the burden on my ISP and that it’s acceptable to charge 30$/mo for only 2GBs or even less.

            you need to realize that these tiered structures and data plan prices are designed around the usage habit of the majority and/or avg data use per user. If the reason why all tiered plans are capped at 1.5GB to 2GB is because that’s where the avg is, and 30$ is a tolerable amt for most ppl paying for it. Our usage habits are designing their pricing and structures, stop lowering our limits by being on Wifi all the time. If the avg user consumes 10GBs of dat/mo, I would bet good money that our caps would be 10GB and STILL be 30$/mo.

          • LAmDroid

            Id have to agree w others in response to yours. we already pay an inflated price for the value of our wireless, Im actually stubborn enough to leave it on my wireless data when i browse and download on my phone because i frgan paid for it. and I STILL.. do NOT.. break 2GBs/mo even tho i have unlimited.

            I absolutely refuse to contribute to their numbers to have them believe that most ppl use less data by dumping the burden on my ISP and that it’s acceptable to charge 30$/mo for only 2GBs or even less.

            you need to realize that these tiered structures and data plan prices are designed around the usage habit of the majority and/or avg data use per user. If the reason why all tiered plans are capped at 1.5GB to 2GB is because that’s where the avg is, and 30$ is a tolerable amt for most ppl paying for it. Our usage habits are designing their pricing and structures, stop lowering our limits by being on Wifi all the time. If the avg user consumes 10GBs of dat/mo, I would bet good money that our caps would be 10GB and STILL be 30$/mo.

          • LAmDroid

            Id have to agree w others in response to yours. we already pay an inflated price for the value of our wireless, Im actually stubborn enough to leave it on my wireless data when i browse and download on my phone because i frgan paid for it. and I STILL.. do NOT.. break 2GBs/mo even tho i have unlimited.

            I absolutely refuse to contribute to their numbers to have them believe that most ppl use less data by dumping the burden on my ISP and that it’s acceptable to charge 30$/mo for only 2GBs or even less.

            you need to realize that these tiered structures and data plan prices are designed around the usage habit of the majority and/or avg data use per user. If the reason why all tiered plans are capped at 1.5GB to 2GB is because that’s where the avg is, and 30$ is a tolerable amt for most ppl paying for it. Our usage habits are designing their pricing and structures, stop lowering our limits by being on Wifi all the time. If the avg user consumes 10GBs of dat/mo, I would bet good money that our caps would be 10GB and STILL be 30$/mo.

          • LAmDroid

            Id have to agree w others in response to yours. we already pay an inflated price for the value of our wireless, Im actually stubborn enough to leave it on my wireless data when i browse and download on my phone because i frgan paid for it. and I STILL.. do NOT.. break 2GBs/mo even tho i have unlimited.

            I absolutely refuse to contribute to their numbers to have them believe that most ppl use less data by dumping the burden on my ISP and that it’s acceptable to charge 30$/mo for only 2GBs or even less.

            you need to realize that these tiered structures and data plan prices are designed around the usage habit of the majority and/or avg data use per user. If the reason why all tiered plans are capped at 1.5GB to 2GB is because that’s where the avg is, and 30$ is a tolerable amt for most ppl paying for it. Our usage habits are designing their pricing and structures, stop lowering our limits by being on Wifi all the time. If the avg user consumes 10GBs of dat/mo, I would bet good money that our caps would be 10GB and STILL be 30$/mo.

          • LAmDroid

            Id have to agree w others in response to yours. we already pay an inflated price for the value of our wireless, Im actually stubborn enough to leave it on my wireless data when i browse and download on my phone because i frgan paid for it. and I STILL.. do NOT.. break 2GBs/mo even tho i have unlimited.

            I absolutely refuse to contribute to their numbers to have them believe that most ppl use less data by dumping the burden on my ISP and that it’s acceptable to charge 30$/mo for only 2GBs or even less.

            you need to realize that these tiered structures and data plan prices are designed around the usage habit of the majority and/or avg data use per user. If the reason why all tiered plans are capped at 1.5GB to 2GB is because that’s where the avg is, and 30$ is a tolerable amt for most ppl paying for it. Our usage habits are designing their pricing and structures, stop lowering our limits by being on Wifi all the time. If the avg user consumes 10GBs of dat/mo, I would bet good money that our caps would be 10GB and STILL be 30$/mo.

    • Raven

      Streaming from the “cloud” is a trap. You can fit a lot of music and movies onto a 32GB MicroSD card.

      • LAmDroid

        ..except theyre trying to rid removeable memory from handsets now

    • Bionic

      How big of a file is a google play movie? Ive never downloaded one.

      • mike

        i think about 1.5 to 2 gigs for a 1:30 to 2 hr movie, and way more if it is an HD movie.

        • Bionic

          That blows, best use wifi

  • Kyle

    I will do anything in my power to keep unlimited data. To my understanding, if I buy off contract that can allow me to keep unlimited data for now. Now my question is, if anyone in my family (I am on a family plan) upgrades and gets their contract upgraded, do I have to leave unlimited data?

    • Butters619

      Yup. I think that’s the plan. If you upgrade any part of your contract, you will be forced off unlimited. It’s really dirty.

      • sc0rch3d

        i have been trying for years to get text messaging removed from my unlimited bundle without losing the unlimited data, but no salesperson has been able to make it work.

        so i’m stuck paying 20-30 month for texting (maybe 10 SMS a month b/c i use Gvoice), MMS (0 in last 6 months) and other BS features i don’t use.

        • Droidzilla

          You can’t just remove it yourself online?

          • sc0rch3d

            it shows up as a bundle….not individual components. even the insurance was built into the bundle (which has migrated from my Omnia > Droid 1 > Droid 2 > GNex) of all my phones as i’ve upgraded smartphones over the years.

          • Droidzilla

            That sucks. I lost unlimited and found my way back onto it, though . . .

  • Butters619

    It’s only a matter of time before Sprint does this too. As soon as they get a big enough LTE footprint and pick up enough disgruntled Verizon customers, they’ll put in a data cap too.

    (I was going to say AT&T as well, but with that insane throttle it’s like they capped my data anyway)