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	<title>Comments on: Friday Poll:  Freemium or Paid App Model?</title>
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		<title>By: Squall Wave</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2579082</link>
		<dc:creator>Squall Wave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what you say is true paid apps are a risky business and probably wont return developtment cost and fremium is an attractive prospect. but and here is a big but
some companies have abused the fremium model in example we have a city village builder a la simcity we have coins and gems to build buildings so far so good a set of goals you can get coins from your buildings but gems are rare at average you only get 3 gems a week the rest you can buy it with real cash so far so good but to advance to the end you have to buy a bulding that cost 90 gems a bit pricey but loable then you need 500 gems to pay a required building  and 20 gems cost 2 usd that means at least 50 usd to buy a required building to finish the game . so i dont know you but i call them greedy, i have used   mmorpg with the fremmium model and it works why because they dont limit you if you dont have cash you dont advance simply it takes a bit longer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what you say is true paid apps are a risky business and probably wont return developtment cost and fremium is an attractive prospect. but and here is a big but<br />
some companies have abused the fremium model in example we have a city village builder a la simcity we have coins and gems to build buildings so far so good a set of goals you can get coins from your buildings but gems are rare at average you only get 3 gems a week the rest you can buy it with real cash so far so good but to advance to the end you have to buy a bulding that cost 90 gems a bit pricey but loable then you need 500 gems to pay a required building  and 20 gems cost 2 usd that means at least 50 usd to buy a required building to finish the game . so i dont know you but i call them greedy, i have used   mmorpg with the fremmium model and it works why because they dont limit you if you dont have cash you dont advance simply it takes a bit longer</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Skellorn</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2085740</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Skellorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Guys, 

I work for Future Games of London. Whilst I don&#039;t agree with charging up front for a game that is set-up for the freemium model (My bosses, the company directors sometimes do this, but I don&#039;t think it should be that way), I can tell you that in the case of Grabatron we sold it as a paid only app with no IAPs at launch (xmas 2011), we only made %10 of what it cost to develop it. Put simply, people on the app store are no longer willing to pay up front for a game, we cannot get the cost to cover our development even when we only ask a dollar for it. 

However we re-jigged the game a little, added some IAPs (just currency) and a variety of new ships, upgrades and weapons (we made whole new content for the game) the put it back out at a free price tag and that time we started making the sort of money that we needed to earn back our development costs.

We have reached a place in the app market where not enough people will not take a risk on a game that do not know and pay for it up front for it. We simply cannot make our money back when we develop a game and try to sell it like that. It doesn&#039;t work.

Therefore our next best option is to give it away for free and to let the real fans of the game (typically around %5 of the total people playing the game) to pay for upgrades in game. We always balance it so that it can be played without paying, we know that %95 of people will never pay, but we still need them to like the game and spread the word or we would never find the small group of guys that really go for it and sling some cash our way. 

To those of you who think we are greedy, I can tell you that it is laughable. None of us guys got into making games for money, we are all smart guys, if we had wanted money we would have gotten real jobs :D

It seems that this is the way that games are going now, but it doesn&#039;t need to be a bad thing. Look at arcade machines, you dont think they were designed to eat your money too, you dont think they were designed to get you into it then ask you for money? There were plenty of great arcade hits.

Anyhow, hit me back if you want to discuss.

Thanks,
Kris Skellorn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys, </p>
<p>I work for Future Games of London. Whilst I don&#8217;t agree with charging up front for a game that is set-up for the freemium model (My bosses, the company directors sometimes do this, but I don&#8217;t think it should be that way), I can tell you that in the case of Grabatron we sold it as a paid only app with no IAPs at launch (xmas 2011), we only made %10 of what it cost to develop it. Put simply, people on the app store are no longer willing to pay up front for a game, we cannot get the cost to cover our development even when we only ask a dollar for it. </p>
<p>However we re-jigged the game a little, added some IAPs (just currency) and a variety of new ships, upgrades and weapons (we made whole new content for the game) the put it back out at a free price tag and that time we started making the sort of money that we needed to earn back our development costs.</p>
<p>We have reached a place in the app market where not enough people will not take a risk on a game that do not know and pay for it up front for it. We simply cannot make our money back when we develop a game and try to sell it like that. It doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Therefore our next best option is to give it away for free and to let the real fans of the game (typically around %5 of the total people playing the game) to pay for upgrades in game. We always balance it so that it can be played without paying, we know that %95 of people will never pay, but we still need them to like the game and spread the word or we would never find the small group of guys that really go for it and sling some cash our way. </p>
<p>To those of you who think we are greedy, I can tell you that it is laughable. None of us guys got into making games for money, we are all smart guys, if we had wanted money we would have gotten real jobs <img src='http://www.droid-life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It seems that this is the way that games are going now, but it doesn&#8217;t need to be a bad thing. Look at arcade machines, you dont think they were designed to eat your money too, you dont think they were designed to get you into it then ask you for money? There were plenty of great arcade hits.</p>
<p>Anyhow, hit me back if you want to discuss.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Kris Skellorn</p>
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		<title>By: JoshGroff</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2066072</link>
		<dc:creator>JoshGroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or, some people use an ad blocker (I personally don&#039;t.) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, some people use an ad blocker (I personally don&#8217;t.) </p>
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		<title>By: michael arazan</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael arazan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess they don&#039;t make enough money on those ad versions, and in a lot of apps, if you turn on airplane mode before you open the app, there won&#039;t be ads]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess they don&#8217;t make enough money on those ad versions, and in a lot of apps, if you turn on airplane mode before you open the app, there won&#8217;t be ads</p>
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		<title>By: michael arazan</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2057522</link>
		<dc:creator>michael arazan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 06:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I bought angry birds space premium to not deal with ads blocking the screen, and now they make you pay for levels even if you have the premium app. Other apps with in paid upgrades like grabatron allow you to constantly play for points and use the points for upgrades or buy points to upgrade. I don&#039;t mind playing the same level 5-8 times to get the points for free upgrades with points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought angry birds space premium to not deal with ads blocking the screen, and now they make you pay for levels even if you have the premium app. Other apps with in paid upgrades like grabatron allow you to constantly play for points and use the points for upgrades or buy points to upgrade. I don&#8217;t mind playing the same level 5-8 times to get the points for free upgrades with points.</p>
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		<title>By: Follower</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2056921</link>
		<dc:creator>Follower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paid apps, I can pirate them easily :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paid apps, I can pirate them easily <img src='http://www.droid-life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Erik Meyers</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2056273</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I voted pay app with no additional charges, but that may not be what I actually do. I hate paying for apps because I paid $700 for my contract free phone. Maybe devs need to get some of the overpriced phone money from OEM&#039;s. 


I also think that MS may have it right with their market for windows phone. Most apps have a free version with limited functionality and then you can upgrade to the paid. Some Android ones do this too. It is not a bunch of little charges here and there, it is just &quot;Ok, want it now?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I voted pay app with no additional charges, but that may not be what I actually do. I hate paying for apps because I paid $700 for my contract free phone. Maybe devs need to get some of the overpriced phone money from OEM&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I also think that MS may have it right with their market for windows phone. Most apps have a free version with limited functionality and then you can upgrade to the paid. Some Android ones do this too. It is not a bunch of little charges here and there, it is just &#8220;Ok, want it now?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Jefferson</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2056069</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald Jefferson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here!</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Chance</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2055994</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most people here will clearly vote for &quot;Paid apps with no additional charges&quot; because that&#039;s what they want, however, they&#039;ll probably not buy as many apps. In addition, the freemium apps will typically have ads to help pay the developers for the users who never buy anything in-app.


It&#039;s also important to realize that this poll is only going to be answered by the more informed in the Android community. J.Q. Android-User wants all apps to be free and is unfortunately more likely to be persuaded to buy something once they like the app for more money than simply pay for the app to begin with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people here will clearly vote for &#8220;Paid apps with no additional charges&#8221; because that&#8217;s what they want, however, they&#8217;ll probably not buy as many apps. In addition, the freemium apps will typically have ads to help pay the developers for the users who never buy anything in-app.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also important to realize that this poll is only going to be answered by the more informed in the Android community. J.Q. Android-User wants all apps to be free and is unfortunately more likely to be persuaded to buy something once they like the app for more money than simply pay for the app to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: r0lct</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2055946</link>
		<dc:creator>r0lct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to;dr

Whether you pay upfront or as you go, they bleed you.  Example: every crappy video game I shelled out $60 for and was non refundable the moment I opened the wrapper.  Or every $5 mobile game I didn&#039;t realize would be endlessly repetitive until the sixteenth minute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to;dr</p>
<p>Whether you pay upfront or as you go, they bleed you.  Example: every crappy video game I shelled out $60 for and was non refundable the moment I opened the wrapper.  Or every $5 mobile game I didn&#8217;t realize would be endlessly repetitive until the sixteenth minute.</p>
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		<title>By: SolipsisticPsychologist</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2055876</link>
		<dc:creator>SolipsisticPsychologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Says an apathetic moron, or a dev who rapes his game so he can get rich quick off of the death of modern video games.  Enjoy that foot in your mouth in the future, im sure im just some outraged nut to everyone, well do you read the trade magazines and sites for video games and see the disturbing talk about how this is the business model that will fund all gaming in the future?  No, well im sure you dont mind getting bled to play a game, or someone else funds your entertainment budget.  Nobody can see the forest from the trees, but at least some of you get what a precipice of game destruction this is, i hope.  Its not a fad like i once thought, i fear for the next Xbox. You already have massive amounts of day one dlc and on disc dlc.  how can people accept this sh!t, was buying a game and getting what you paid for that bad of a deal before?  You want to decide if you can afford to buy the ending to the newest Halo?  DEPIERTA LOS NINOS!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Says an apathetic moron, or a dev who rapes his game so he can get rich quick off of the death of modern video games.  Enjoy that foot in your mouth in the future, im sure im just some outraged nut to everyone, well do you read the trade magazines and sites for video games and see the disturbing talk about how this is the business model that will fund all gaming in the future?  No, well im sure you dont mind getting bled to play a game, or someone else funds your entertainment budget.  Nobody can see the forest from the trees, but at least some of you get what a precipice of game destruction this is, i hope.  Its not a fad like i once thought, i fear for the next Xbox. You already have massive amounts of day one dlc and on disc dlc.  how can people accept this sh!t, was buying a game and getting what you paid for that bad of a deal before?  You want to decide if you can afford to buy the ending to the newest Halo?  DEPIERTA LOS NINOS!</p>
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		<title>By: SolipsisticPsychologist</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2055791</link>
		<dc:creator>SolipsisticPsychologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its refreshing to see someone who actually can identify what freemium actually is and its goal, as referenced by your last sentence.  All of you people supporting it, well i will relish the day when you go on to a forum to complain about how they just dont make quality games anymore man, its like you have to pay for every core feature now.  And ill say, &quot;gee wonder how they got that idea, or what reinforced it in their mind that could nickel and dime games to death?  It surely wasnt all of these people supporting this trash and defending it and paying five or six times what a game was actually worth, just so they could buy back the gun they started off with because it was taken away at level four and sold in the store.&quot;.....yep ill enjoy lettingall of you uninformed or apathetic people know that you killed video games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its refreshing to see someone who actually can identify what freemium actually is and its goal, as referenced by your last sentence.  All of you people supporting it, well i will relish the day when you go on to a forum to complain about how they just dont make quality games anymore man, its like you have to pay for every core feature now.  And ill say, &#8220;gee wonder how they got that idea, or what reinforced it in their mind that could nickel and dime games to death?  It surely wasnt all of these people supporting this trash and defending it and paying five or six times what a game was actually worth, just so they could buy back the gun they started off with because it was taken away at level four and sold in the store.&#8221;&#8230;..yep ill enjoy lettingall of you uninformed or apathetic people know that you killed video games.</p>
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		<title>By: www</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2055776</link>
		<dc:creator>www</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paid apps are better but i think they should have guaranteed amount of updates per month until at least x% amount of customers are satisfied in their reviews.  May be far fetched to get that much participation tho]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paid apps are better but i think they should have guaranteed amount of updates per month until at least x% amount of customers are satisfied in their reviews.  May be far fetched to get that much participation tho</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2055743</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freemium sucks. I&#039;d rather spend a few bucks on a decent app than be barraged with ads that are always strategically placed near the most frequently touched areas of the screen which always inconveniently launches the ad in a browser while I&#039;m trying to accomplish something or other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freemium sucks. I&#8217;d rather spend a few bucks on a decent app than be barraged with ads that are always strategically placed near the most frequently touched areas of the screen which always inconveniently launches the ad in a browser while I&#8217;m trying to accomplish something or other.</p>
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		<title>By: SolipsisticPsychologist</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/17/friday-poll-freemium-or-paid-app-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2055726</link>
		<dc:creator>SolipsisticPsychologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then you must peddle freemium garbage and swindle customers for a living, congratulations, you are gaming bacteria, the kind that causes yeast infections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you must peddle freemium garbage and swindle customers for a living, congratulations, you are gaming bacteria, the kind that causes yeast infections.</p>
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