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Nokia CEO: Dual-Core and Quad-Core Chips Simply Drain Batteries, Aren’t All That Useful

Nokia’s CEO Stephen Elop has been quite the figurehead as the company’s near collapse was saved by the Windows Phone 7 boat. Now that his company is all-in with Microsoft, his latest comments aren’t that surprising. In an interview with a Chinese news outlet, Elop said that he thought that dual and quad-core processors are not all that useful. He went on to say that they were just a waste of battery for the consumer. Strong words indeed.

What is interesting about this is that Windows Phone 7 as it is now only supports single-core but is gearing up for the step to dual-core. It was widely rumored that Microsoft was testing the Qualcomm MSM8960 CPU chipset, which is dual-core, for the release in a Windows Phone at some point down the road. And while single-core may be alright for WP7 and it’s Metro UI, Android definitely benefits from the boost of a dual-core or quad-core processor. Yes the battery drain is a drag but it can be managed as well. Thoughts? Will you own a quad-core phone or stay away for fear of the battery drain?

Via: Pocket-Lint, Unwired View

  • df2rools

    because every laptop is still using a single core processor right? 
    Yeah.

  • More Innovation

    So stupid…At current time yes quad core isn’t needed but if we didn’t think ahead we wouldn’t ever create something new it’s called innovation. Quad core phones at the time might not be fully taken advantage of yet, but these kind of moves are need for an, as some people would say, “a post pc age”. One thing though we have made so many leaps in processors, ram hasn’t really increased in size, i think an increase in ram needs to come to make a better experience, especially when switching between OS’s and the apps your using. Are phones are going to be doing more, and you’ll need to store you desktop environment with it’s apps and phone os with its apps at the same time to enable smooth transition which must be cached or there will be increased launch speeds and everyone wants a instantaneous experience with no loading times.

  • master94

    Stephen Elop is not useful. Quad core and dual core have been proven to be more battery friendly. 

  • Juarren6

    He should find the nearest ledge, and then jump off of it

  • Devilsephiroth

    The fact that you can swap an extra battery on most Android phones negate this CEO’s comment completely, but that’s my opinion

  • Kidheated

    All these CEO’s need to shut the hell up and let their products speak for themselves. More important than the cores is the data chip sets. The switch from 3G to 4G drains way more battery. I think its Qualcomm or another manufacturer that has made a single chip that transfers between the two data speeds seamlessly on cdma, but they are still in testing. Hopefully someone will make this guy eat his words, literally. I don’t know who’s worst, the CEO of Microsoft, Rim or Nokia? All I know is they all talk way too much @#$!

  • sjobs

    sour grapes…

  • darkseider

    Every time this clown opens his mouth he makes a fool of himself and Nokia.  He reminds me of Steve Jobs to an extent.  The whole it isn’t needed/wanted line and then 6 months later when introduced in their product… REVOLUTIONARY!  MAGICAL!  NYAN CAT RAINBOW POOPING GOODNESS!!!  Fail.

  • http://profiles.google.com/joefedewa Joe Fedewa

    For anyone that has used a Windows Phone you know he is absolutely right. If Android was better optimized to the hardware it wouldn’t need ridiculous processors either.

  • Gunther

    Of course Dual/QuadCore are useless! I mean, Windows Phone 7 does not have them, so saying that they are a necessity for today’s smartphone’s would demean his own products. It’s kinda like how Steve Jobs used to harp about useless widgets no Android phones, b/c, well, the iPhone didn’t have them and they were a big draw for people. If you don’t have it, it’s a useless feature. Once you get it, a la Apple, it’s REVOLUTIONARY.

    He’s Microsoft’s little poodle, sent to Nokia to prevent them from going Android. Besides, he bet the entire company’s future on Windows Phone 7. If it does not pick up steam, they’re dead in the water, and he knows he will go down in history as the man who killed Nokia. 

  • Mario

    He has absolutely no vision! 

    The future is in multi-core hi capability personal devices.  With my maxx I have the HD Dock. I could have gone with the lapdock for similar capabilities.  But, the result is the same: the phone will be the next personal computer.  Drop it into the cradle and now it’s a functional pc with dedicated full screen, keyboard, and mouse.  Local storage capacity is a zero issue with ‘cloud’ storage.  Need industrial strength? RDP to desktop machines for full capacity needs.  The next PC revolution is in the phones we carry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1465651056 Robert Lacy

    That’s until Windows Phone 8 starts supporting dual core chips and then he’ll probably change his tune…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Travis-Royer/100000358962998 Travis Royer

    It really comes down to consumer interest. If you’re someone who enjoys the latest entertainment on a handset, then the obvious answer is, yes and quad-core phone would be killer. But if you don’t care about any of that, then the obvious question is, why are you buying a smart phone? Nokia’s stance on updated mobile processors is arrogant at best. It’d be like saying, “we aren’t going to be updating your Gameboy’s hardware, because it would drain the battery and you can play Pokemon just fine”

  • Will Frame

    What Elop said is essentially true for WP7 in its current state. However, iOS has become too bloated and Android really needs a good dual core to run correctly.

  • Djenks24

    One work, Ubuntu!!!  Now I will just carry my PC in my pocket!!!

  • steve w

    we need to get longer lasting batteries withouta  huge battery or buying a bunch of extra batteries first.

  • Towelie420

    I have three batteries for my galaxy nexus: one in the phone, one fully charged in my pocket, and one on the cradle at home. Non removable batteries are a problem for users, not quad core processors.
    Ever noticed that people with iPhones are constantly looking to see if they can use someone’s charger?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RPK53GM5TY3G7CPPAFEXTWMEEI Kevin

    He’s just trying to get attention. I think that dual-core phones make sense, but I think that quad-core is overkill for now. Half of the people out there don’t even have dual-core phones yet. Also, the only quad-core chip I have heard of is Tegra3, and they can’t even put it in US models of the HTC One X because it doesn’t work with LTE. HTC substituted it for a dual-core Snapdragon, which they apparently thought was a fair enough trade.

  • MD

    What would you expect from the guy whose company is in bed with the guy who was quoted in 1981 as saying “640K ought to be enough for anybody” :)

    • wastry

      Check Snopes, this is just an  urban myth; Bill Gates never actually said that.  

    • http://profiles.google.com/joefedewa Joe Fedewa

      Are you saying in 1981 technology was different than today? NO WAY!

  • http://profiles.google.com/jamesloper James Loper

    Wow, I’m impressed at his stupidity. Nokia will fall while the world moves forwards with tech. I’d like to see him try to run webtop, or heck even browse the internet on a single core chip.

    • Will Frame

      He wasn’t talking about Anrdroid. He was mainly trying to put consumer minds at ease with respect to WP7 as a lot of people only see specs and don’t realize that WP7 in its current state runs just fine with a single core and is, in fact, incapable of utilizing more than one core.

  • Robsbot

    I will not hop on the quad core bandwagon until they get battery life under control. As it was, I could with moderate usage just get my DX to the charger before it died. On longer college / work days I’d be holding a dead phone before I got home. Estimated charges on 4g/dual core phones was less than my DX. There’s no way I’d want less battery. That said, with the leap year sales I jumped on a 200$ razr maxx and never looked back. Used the thing for 2 days with moderate to low usage and still got it on the charger at 10% battery with over 50 hours of unplugged time. You can’t beat that.

    Fast smartphones are great, but what’s faster: a dead 87 core smartphone or a single core smartphone still at 50% battery?

    • thebluegod

      Yeah, I’m getting a 12-15 hour day with light to moderate use on my Droid X. If I listen to music, that quickly decreases, which totally blows. I’m scared to upgrade to a 4G or dual-core device if the battery power is supposed to suck. What’s the point of having a phone that does everything if it dies before it can do anything?

      • Ian

        i just upgraded to the maxx from my DX. In my opinion i made the right choice. Despite my disdain for the locked bootloader and motocrapolas update process (even though some of that can be attributed to carriers i still blame motorola for allowing verizon that much control) the battery in the maxx is key. I had the extended battery for the dx, often times if i had to work late i would still have to swap my other (original) battery in (or charge it). Usually i would plug it in at night almost dead. Not anymore, I don’t even worry about 3/4G and i don’t have 4g so its always on despite there never being a 4g connection. You will not be disappointing in the battery life of the maxx, on everything else people have all sorts of opinions but coming from the DX its great, its exactly like my dx only thinner, lighter, faster and with better battery (even compared to my extended batter for the dx).

  • http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.moceri Jimmy Moceri

    I was always under the assumption that more cores would help with battery life. As far as 4G LTE, that KILLS my single core Thunderbolt

    • Droidzilla

      In fairness to your T-Bolt, LTE kills dual cores, too. It won’t improve until they come out with the 28nm die LTE modems (which will be very soon).

  • Derickmc

    I keep my phone plugged in 85% of the time anyway. I have spare chargers for work, my car and my living room haha. So Battery drain isn’t an issue for me. I say bring on the quad-cores!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Trisjen.Harris Trisjen Harris

    Well you better not put any in those Nokia phones ever, or you will be labeled an hypocrite!!

  • patapongirl

    The battery in my alarm clock lasts FOREVER but guess what, it’s still an alarm clock *surprise*

  • http://www.vgchartz.com SuperChunk

    I want a phone that I can connect to a monitor/kb/ms. I want to carry my computer as a 100% personal device in my pocket.

    I say they all need to focus extra R&D on battery technology.

  • LionStone

    Yea he’s gonna get left behind…oh well.

  • feztheforeigner

    More cores does not worsen the battery life…in many cases it actually helps battery life by allowing two cores to run at half the frequency they would on single core. With quad core it can be one fourth the frequency. In the case of Tegra 3 a fifth core can actually act as a nice little battery saver. Not to mention, a dual core (or even a quad core) can run on a single one of its cores if it wants to….

    Stephen Elop, I just turned 18 and I already know more than you in your own field. You are pathetic and should be as distant as Sanjay Jah from anything with technology and running a business!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=541445706 Matthew Wahlquist

      I was going to say almost the same thing, until I saw you already posted it. Well done sir. I have yet to run my tegra 3 tablet all the way down. It looks like that 5th core may get me all the way to 24 hours… amazing.

    • Droidzilla

      Not to mention ARM’s big.LITTLE architecture coming in the A15s. Elop is an eFlop.

  • Jonathan Ly

    It might work for Nokia and WP7, but it doesn’t for Android, plain and simple. 

  • Jdstell

    Nokia doesn’t have a quad-core phone yet. lol umad, nokia?

  • Kyle Fullmer

    There is some truth to what he says.  The craze to get quad cores and even dual cores into every phone is overtaking the actual phone experience.  If Qualcom were to release the most amazing single core and it ran circles around the duals, people wouldn’t buy it cause 2 > 1.  That said, more cores only means more power draw on the same sized die, which as well all know isn’t how it is working and is why the Qualcom S4 on a 28nm cast is going to use less power than the 90nm chips.

    But more importantly, why would anyone take phone/hardware advice from Nokia?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Nyitrai/636804866 Michael Nyitrai

    i would own a 20 core phone with 30 min. battery life before i would own a Nokia

  • http://aesirgaming.com John Cantrell

    i am waiting on a quad core for my upgrade in June

  • Liderc

    Wow, bad quote.

    He’s the CEO?  I could understand quad core bashing right now considering we haven’t seen any improvement yet because of optimization, but I think we’d all agree dual cores have vastly improved performance.  

    Not a good sign from a CEO, do these guys even have degrees in engineering or does a BA in business get you a chance to jump into the seat.

    • CORYK333

      Forget about a BA in business, it seems like a degree in bullsh!t from clown college is more common among most of these CEOs.

  • frankandsimple

    Most 99% of smartphone users performing 99% of the tasks with their smartphones… anything over a single core 1 ghz is an overkill at this point. 

    But then android is laggy out of the box.. so I agree.. android can use all the horsepower it can get. 

    • EvanTheGamer

      Really? What about top of the line games that require such power?

      • Kyle Fullmer

        I have yet to play a game that my droid 2 or charge won’t run.  Any names off the top of your head I can try that need dual core?

        • thebluegod

          My OC’d Droid X struggles when playing ShadowGun at times. It’s perfectly functional, just not as smooth as it would be on a newer device. I think games are the biggest thing that benefit from dual-core. Nothing else really.

          • EvanTheGamer

            Yeah…true that, but the guy clearly states that duel-core or quad-core processors are useless. If you’re a gamer and use a phone(while on the go) primarily for games(obviously also for other things, but mostly for gaming), then duel or quad-core processors are NOT useless.

            That Elop guy is a freaking idiot if you ask me, and needs to get with the times.

        • Robsbot

          Roboto. I love the crap out of that game too.

        • EvanTheGamer

          Maybe Shadow Run?

      • frankandsimple

        Hence the 99%

        • Droidzilla

          We are the 1%!

    • Benjamin Landwehr

      Lol, maybe a 2009 Android phone or low end android phones.  I’ll agree old versions were laggy af.  Go troll elsewhere.

      • Vaxick

        And Android isn’t nearly as efficant as Windows Phone. Optmization is the key and it’s a weak point of Android. Windows Phone, even in it’s current state is bazing fast because Microsoft optmized the OS for the hardware that runs it. Google allows any hardware to run Android so we never get a true optmization and have to rely on beefy hardware to account for this. The man isn’t just pulling this out of his a**. There is truth to what he is saying. It’s why platforms like Windows Phone don’t need such aggressive hardware because the platorm has been designed to run very efficiant on the hardware it supports.

        As for top of the line games, Windows Phone uses a Adreno 205 currently and can do some very impressive stuff that would lag on the same GPU in Android. Again, it’s all about optmization.

        • patapongirl

          Efficient or not, the result/user-experience is the most important thing at the end of the day. 
          You can boast about how WP is able to perform the most amazing thing that no other single-core device could have done it but who really cares? If the single core device outperforms a dual core, then there’s something to talk about.

          I really wish WP took off like how Android did because consumers will benefit from such competition. Frankly speaking, I’m not sure what went wrong.

        • ABerry5

          I can think of rationale and post it online too! WP7 justification needs to stay on engadget.. at least isheep defend a platform that people actually use.. for years its been “wait till wp7 comes out it’ll kill all” then it was “just wait till mango comes out it’ll kill all then it was “just wait till Nokia releases their phones then it’ll kill all” and still no one cares and its not because they are in dual core denial mode. Like the mainstream computer market phones will be a duopoly.. if you need further clarification talk to RIM.. if that doesn’t do it for you talk to the company whose strategy Microsoft copied .. palm..

    • Droidzilla

      Source? Link? Anything other than fanboi conjecture?

  • EvanTheGamer

    A prime example of what a moron looks like.

    Also, the name “Elop” is the lamest name I’ve ever seen a person have as a last name.

    • Michael_NM

      His last name was originaly Flop. He underscored the F for emphasis.

      • LionStone

        Oh damn… Hehe!

      • SH

        Epic! LMAO!

      • EvanTheGamer

        hahahah! Yes…that must be it!

    • Will Frame

      Actually, Glasscock and Woodcock are pretty bad. I have also seen “Buttram”.

      • EvanTheGamer

        Someone has a Glasscock? Woodcock you say? Wow…

        Elop loses in the Battle of the Bad Names. At that point, I think Elop is glad he lost especially compared to the other bad names.

  • ddh819

    sure if all you do is check facebook

  • YourMother

    Screw the cores, let’s talk about basic device design, polish, functionality, and longevity.

    • thebluegod

      Exactly. Why do we need to have a quad core device in our pockets? Are we going to do some hardcore computing on a 4-inch screen? I’m all for technological innovation but dual core is more than enough in a phone. In fact, single core is perfect if used efficiently.
      I understand quad core in tablets, but definitely seems a bit too much for a phone.

      • Bhain3s

        No but they are talking about implementing a ubuntu operating system for androids that can be run through the phone once plugged into a laptop or docking device. 

        • thebluegod

          That would be the one time where it would be useful I suppose.

          • Mike

             The one time, or one of the times?

      • Towelie420

        I look forward to a day when my android device will be a portable gaming console. HDMI output and a Bluetooth controller, and I can get my call of duty on anywhere.

        • John

          You can already do this.

          I use a $10 MHL->HDMI dongle and blutooth ps3 controller to play games on my TV/Projector via my Galaxy Nexus.  ShadowGun is pretty sweet @ 120″

      • AlexKCMO

        I see you missed what Ubuntu is trying to do with Android.

      • Droidzilla

        Padfone. Transformer. HDMI output. Bluetooth. Canonical’s new Ubuntu interface. Jelly Bean allowing dual operating systems. Add those up and you do the math as to why we want quad-cores on our phones.

  • moelsen8

    uhhh i’d worry about LTE long before i worry about the processor.

  • http://twitter.com/SmokeNMirrors SmokeNMirrors

    Excuses from the have-nots.  My zero-core wind-up wrist watch has better battery performance than anything!

  • http://www.DavidPat.com David Pat

    RAZR MAXX vs Lumia 800 battery life. 

    lulz

    • chris125

       yeah comparing a phone with a 3300mah battery to something half the size is going to give you anything close. Poor comparison lol

      • http://www.DavidPat.com David Pat

        and yet the RAZR MAXX is thinner and more powerful. 

        battery life is about engineering not about SOC cores

        • chris125

           That still is like comparing apples to oranges lol.

          • http://twitter.com/Chasemanhattan3 Chase Chick

            or phones to phones

          • EdubE24

            Oh boy, someone said apple, haters are on their way!!!

          • Robsbot

            Not really. He’s showing that Nokia has an engineering design flaw. If they can’t get a 3000mah battery into their phones and a dual core and still make the phones smaller and last longer, then there’s a problem. It’ll run longer than any of their current offerings AND faster.

            It’s not a “which is better” comparison it’s a “point out the flawed logic” comparison. You just didn’t understand the argument.

  • God

    Complete disregard for chip manufacturers stating that their upcoming new quad core phones are actually much more efficient. Nokia are fools and are going to fail because of it. To this day I still have never seen a single Windows Phone 7 in the wild.

    • Cobra

      Wait a minute, Microsoft still develops a mobile OS?

    • Kyle Fullmer

      They aren’t more efficient because of being dual core, they are more efficient because of the architecture they are built on and the die size.  If adding more cores made things more power efficient companies would be making 50 core processors at 90nm process.  Instead chipset makers keep going smaller because THAT is where the efficiency is.

      • Robsbot

        I keep seeing the “more cores = more efficient” argument when that’s a fallacy. This is where it’s at. Chipset manufacturers aren’t just making more core processors, they are decreasing power consumption and increasing power efficiency as well. It’s all about the nm’s. As someone that follows chipset manufacturing closely, I tip my hat to you sir.

        • Droidzilla

          Whereas that’s technically correct, for smartphones it’s more like dual-core = better battery. All of the single cores are ARM Cortex A8, and the duals are ARM Cortex A9 (the upcoming A15 is beastly, too). If we were comparing power usage at idle with a single and dual core A9, that would mean something; but we’re not.

    • Butters619

      I saw one and I asked if they liked it.  They hated it

      • Prime7

        I know a few people who have/had them. They always start off enamored with it and talk about how smooth and fast it is.

        Then, a few months later, they hate how limited it is and/or replace it with Android.

        • Butters619

          Yeah that’s exactly what the person I had asked said.  Loved it at first, but hated how limited it was.

    • AlexKCMO

      I have a WP7 phone from work. 

      It’s pretty slick.  Very smooth… iPhone smooth almost with 0 lag.  The interface is very limited though.  If WP7 came out in 2006, it would have been revolutionary and changed the world.  In a world with Android and all their Widgets, WP7 is about 4 years too late.

  • Skennedy412

  • JasonSCarter

    Stay away until they can be better with battery. Qualcomm is working on getting their chips more battery efficent, but the first few they put out have been battery drainers.  In time, they will get better.  I think we are just now going to see that this year at some point.

  • sciwiz
  • http://twitter.com/missingplugin Jacob

    For me, unless I am running a rom, my Galaxy Nexus is not as smooth of an experience as gingerbread was. Plenty of things have improved, but in terms of overall slickness, this nexus fairs worse than my old incredible with OMGB. I think the on screen buttons and their faded glow are to blame for the slow os.

    • http://twitter.com/r2DoesInc r2DoesInc

      OMGB was boss AF :D

    • moelsen8

      yeah i really don’t like the responsiveness (or lack thereof) of the soft keys.  it’s horrible sometimes.  and they don’t register multiple taps like the capacitive keys used to.

      • Droidzilla

        I have a device that runs a hacked Honeycomb. It has hardware, capacitive buttons but also the soft buttons in the HC UI. I use the dedicated, hardware buttons every time.

    • http://twitter.com/GRZLA Grizzly Atoms

      That seems odd to me because I made the EXACT same jump as you did and my Nexus   is way better than my Incredible could dream of being. I would never go back.

  • Asdfadf

    i actually like windows phone and what microsoft is doing.  they are bringing the xbox, windows, and wp7 all together.  android needs to do this.

    • http://www.droid-life.com Tim-o-tato

      I think we’ll get a good idea of how Google intends to that at this year’s I/O ;-)

    • http://twitter.com/GRZLA Grizzly Atoms

      Consoles and computers exist for games. 

  • Michael_NM

    Nokara what nokia has to say.

  • GQGK

    there’s a reason they almost went under. this is an example.

    • Elisha Lucéro

      Well stated sir.

  • http://www.Nave360.com Sebastian Gorgon

    Nokia is just stuck up, Dual core phones benefit from a bigger battery and as years go by large capacity batteries get smaller,