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	<title>Comments on: Apple Files for Face Unlock Patent, Are You Kidding Me? (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Do</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/29/apple-files-for-face-unlock-patent-are-you-kidding-me/comment-page-3/#comment-2220337</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Android already has this, how can Apple patent it when it already exist? At this rate, Apple will patent eventually patent the numbers on your keypad of the phone so that they force everyone else to use roman numerals to dial. This is getting ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Android already has this, how can Apple patent it when it already exist? At this rate, Apple will patent eventually patent the numbers on your keypad of the phone so that they force everyone else to use roman numerals to dial. This is getting ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: parex</title>
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		<dc:creator>parex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read it.  There is quite a bit to the details, and I&#039;m not an expert in the state of the art in face recognition.  However, I did recognize some of the steps as being pretty standard.  All in all, it struck me as the straightforward way someone would engineer that process.  But maybe there are some innovative details, possibly in the part about quickly doing the match.

What concerns me is there seems to be a claim not to patent presence detection, and not to patent face recognition, but to patent connecting detection with proceeding to attempt recognition.  Now that&#039;s downright obvious to me, and hardly a &quot;process&quot; or &quot;device&quot;.

But if Amazon can defend the idea of patenting not clicking, and not buying, but of letting a click buy something, then Apple will probably prevail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read it.  There is quite a bit to the details, and I&#8217;m not an expert in the state of the art in face recognition.  However, I did recognize some of the steps as being pretty standard.  All in all, it struck me as the straightforward way someone would engineer that process.  But maybe there are some innovative details, possibly in the part about quickly doing the match.</p>
<p>What concerns me is there seems to be a claim not to patent presence detection, and not to patent face recognition, but to patent connecting detection with proceeding to attempt recognition.  Now that&#8217;s downright obvious to me, and hardly a &#8220;process&#8221; or &#8220;device&#8221;.</p>
<p>But if Amazon can defend the idea of patenting not clicking, and not buying, but of letting a click buy something, then Apple will probably prevail.</p>
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		<title>By: parex</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/29/apple-files-for-face-unlock-patent-are-you-kidding-me/comment-page-3/#comment-1513666</link>
		<dc:creator>parex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple didn&#039;t start it.  Amazon patented using one click to buy something, and it&#039;s all been downhill from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple didn&#8217;t start it.  Amazon patented using one click to buy something, and it&#8217;s all been downhill from there.</p>
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		<title>By: parex</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/29/apple-files-for-face-unlock-patent-are-you-kidding-me/comment-page-3/#comment-1513659</link>
		<dc:creator>parex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are not applying to patent a feature.

Your Dell can keep its feature, implemented its way.  Dell cannot use the same group of tricks to do it better that Apple has detailed in the application, if the patent is granted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not applying to patent a feature.</p>
<p>Your Dell can keep its feature, implemented its way.  Dell cannot use the same group of tricks to do it better that Apple has detailed in the application, if the patent is granted.</p>
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		<title>By: parex</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/29/apple-files-for-face-unlock-patent-are-you-kidding-me/comment-page-3/#comment-1513653</link>
		<dc:creator>parex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go read the application.

United States Patent Application: 0110317872]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go read the application.</p>
<p>United States Patent Application: 0110317872</p>
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		<title>By: parex</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/29/apple-files-for-face-unlock-patent-are-you-kidding-me/comment-page-3/#comment-1513611</link>
		<dc:creator>parex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And web sites that strip out paragraphing lead the list of forces leading to the deconstruction of civilization.  Makes everything just a run-on jumble of tiny ideas with no structure or relationship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And web sites that strip out paragraphing lead the list of forces leading to the deconstruction of civilization.  Makes everything just a run-on jumble of tiny ideas with no structure or relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: parex</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/29/apple-files-for-face-unlock-patent-are-you-kidding-me/comment-page-3/#comment-1513604</link>
		<dc:creator>parex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seem to be a lot of misconceptions here.  Read the attorney&#039;s brief tutorial lesson.

One patents a thing when it has been developed.  Has nothing to do with manufacture, use, release or any of that.  There is no requirement to even ever use it.  It&#039;s not about staking out territory by being first to market.Patent protection actually has nothing to do with products at all, or the right to sell certain kinds of products.  It has to do with the patented device.  Only.

There is a culture wide dumbing down of everything and the deconstruction of all of civilization going on, epitomized by the flame wars.  Nobody bothers to understand structure or formal concepts; it&#039;s all just about pop culture and whose &quot;side&quot; we are on.  The reader will note that this is basically just primitive tribalism with only instinctive actions.There are tons of things wrong with the patent system.  But letting Apple patent a method it invented that does the same thing as something someone else also does is not one of them.Personally, I think it began when government abrogated its responsibility to examine patents.  Also, Congress needs to limit patents to a concrete method or process, not a visualization of a result.  Apple will not be able to patent the idea of doing face recognition (and here is where the system has pretty much completely jumped the rails -- but blame the idiot mostly Democrat congress, not Apple).  A patent was supposed to apply to one particular way of doing something, and that way should need to be distinctive.  The rules about prior art and obvious engineering have been pretty well gutted so now it&#039;s more of a gold rush to stake out claims than any real contribution of solutions, which is what patents were supposed to encourage and protect.But once you can patent the idea of using a click on a web site to buy something, we are in deep, deep trouble.  That is one owned by Amazon which Apple licenses for iTunes and other uses.If there is only one way of doing something, obviously that is the obvious way, so it should hardly qualify for a patent.Research labs have been doing face recognition for security purposes long, long before either Apple or Google started messing with it.Apple sells many products which include others&#039; patented technology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seem to be a lot of misconceptions here.  Read the attorney&#8217;s brief tutorial lesson.</p>
<p>One patents a thing when it has been developed.  Has nothing to do with manufacture, use, release or any of that.  There is no requirement to even ever use it.  It&#8217;s not about staking out territory by being first to market.Patent protection actually has nothing to do with products at all, or the right to sell certain kinds of products.  It has to do with the patented device.  Only.</p>
<p>There is a culture wide dumbing down of everything and the deconstruction of all of civilization going on, epitomized by the flame wars.  Nobody bothers to understand structure or formal concepts; it&#8217;s all just about pop culture and whose &#8220;side&#8221; we are on.  The reader will note that this is basically just primitive tribalism with only instinctive actions.There are tons of things wrong with the patent system.  But letting Apple patent a method it invented that does the same thing as something someone else also does is not one of them.Personally, I think it began when government abrogated its responsibility to examine patents.  Also, Congress needs to limit patents to a concrete method or process, not a visualization of a result.  Apple will not be able to patent the idea of doing face recognition (and here is where the system has pretty much completely jumped the rails &#8212; but blame the idiot mostly Democrat congress, not Apple).  A patent was supposed to apply to one particular way of doing something, and that way should need to be distinctive.  The rules about prior art and obvious engineering have been pretty well gutted so now it&#8217;s more of a gold rush to stake out claims than any real contribution of solutions, which is what patents were supposed to encourage and protect.But once you can patent the idea of using a click on a web site to buy something, we are in deep, deep trouble.  That is one owned by Amazon which Apple licenses for iTunes and other uses.If there is only one way of doing something, obviously that is the obvious way, so it should hardly qualify for a patent.Research labs have been doing face recognition for security purposes long, long before either Apple or Google started messing with it.Apple sells many products which include others&#8217; patented technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Pegwinieoncp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pegwinieoncp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 03:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[crapple is just a f***ing company that gets all of its profits and products off suing other companies about things the other company already did, and that crapple was going to do, but was too dam lazy to get off their f***ing butts and make it. But they weren&#039;t too lazy to sue people. Did you know I hate apple? FYI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crapple is just a f***ing company that gets all of its profits and products off suing other companies about things the other company already did, and that crapple was going to do, but was too dam lazy to get off their f***ing butts and make it. But they weren&#8217;t too lazy to sue people. Did you know I hate apple? FYI.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/29/apple-files-for-face-unlock-patent-are-you-kidding-me/comment-page-3/#comment-1278054</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 15:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[APPLE &lt;3]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>APPLE &lt;3</p>
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		<title>By: Israel Fabian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel Fabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have and yes its a bit complicated to use. I don&#039;t own a tablet but I&#039;ve tested most android tablets and of course both ipads. Each has its pros and cons. What I like about android is there&#039;s a selection and ipad not really. But I do like that fact that apple has a lot of vendors behind their brand. Android really lacks this. One particular that I have in mind is the Line6 mobile in module for both iphone and ipad. I wish they would make you for the android soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have and yes its a bit complicated to use. I don&#8217;t own a tablet but I&#8217;ve tested most android tablets and of course both ipads. Each has its pros and cons. What I like about android is there&#8217;s a selection and ipad not really. But I do like that fact that apple has a lot of vendors behind their brand. Android really lacks this. One particular that I have in mind is the Line6 mobile in module for both iphone and ipad. I wish they would make you for the android soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Pinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Pinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If by FACTS you mean that facial recognition has been around for a LOOOOONG time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If by FACTS you mean that facial recognition has been around for a LOOOOONG time?</p>
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		<title>By: Bayberry29</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayberry29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My dell all in one desktop has this feature for years now. I bought it in 2007 July to be exact. Apple is a bunch of assholes. I&#039;m sick of their petty garbage.  They don&#039;t have too much longer anyways. RIP to Steve but without his guide and leadership they&#039;re done anyways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dell all in one desktop has this feature for years now. I bought it in 2007 July to be exact. Apple is a bunch of assholes. I&#8217;m sick of their petty garbage.  They don&#8217;t have too much longer anyways. RIP to Steve but without his guide and leadership they&#8217;re done anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if you pay attention to google news, their acquisitions lately have been companies which hold lots of patents. Whether or not they use them, who knows, but they will have that advantage over apple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you pay attention to google news, their acquisitions lately have been companies which hold lots of patents. Whether or not they use them, who knows, but they will have that advantage over apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirko Fumagalli</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/29/apple-files-for-face-unlock-patent-are-you-kidding-me/comment-page-3/#comment-1257289</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirko Fumagalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today other STUPID charapter about this war.... we talk also in italy

http://www.android-htc.it/3511/samsung/samsung-continua-a-stuzzicare-la-apple/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today other STUPID charapter about this war&#8230;. we talk also in italy</p>
<p><a href="http://www.android-htc.it/3511/samsung/samsung-continua-a-stuzzicare-la-apple/" rel="nofollow">http://www.android-htc.it/3511/samsung/samsung-continua-a-stuzzicare-la-apple/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my friend&#039;s mother makes $80/hour on the internet. She has been fired from work for 10 months but last month her 
check was $7998 just working on the internet for a few hours. Read more on this site... &lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt; LazyCash1
&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;com&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my friend&#8217;s mother makes $80/hour on the internet. She has been fired from work for 10 months but last month her <br />
check was $7998 just working on the internet for a few hours. Read more on this site&#8230; <em></em><em> LazyCash1<br />
</em><em>.</em><em>com</em></p>
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