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Steve Jobs Goes Off on Android, Andy Rubin and TweetDeck Respond

We had been waiting for this latest Steve Jobs vs. Android rant to sort of shake out before diving into it and damn are we glad we did.  If you have no idea what we’re talking about, here is the short run down.  Jobs, during an earnings call yesterday, went off for a good 5 minutes (seriously, went OFF) on all sorts of topics, including RIM and 7-inch tablets, but as you may have guessed, Android was the main target.  He mad sure to point out through his alien logic that Android isn’t really open, is too fragmented, and that he can’t stand the fact that manufacturers won’t report how many Android devices they are shipping.  You can taste the frustration in his stuttering and it’s amazing.

Full 5 minute rant after the jump plus a couple of responses.  

Are you speechless after listening to that?  Don’t hold back the laughter for too long as the onslaught begins shortly after the call, lead by none other than Android master Andy Rubin, who tweeted this…

Not open eh, Steve?  The idea that custom manufacturer skins and different versions of the OS make this not an open platform is a mind trick that only fools would fall for and Rubin’s tweet perfectly points this out.  (+1)

To add to the hilarity of the speech, Jobs also managed to specifically point out TweetDeck’s recent report on user statistics (1:40 mark) which mention the various versions of Android and the hundreds of devices it dealt with.  Of course he attempted to turn this into a negative, which TweetDeck’s CEO quickly responded to… (+2)

And to add to the awesomeness, Dodsworth went on to make it crystal clear that they only had 2 developers working on their Android product.  Yep, 2 developers were able to pump out one of the most polished Twitter clients to date that works on every single Android version available.  So much for fragmentation as an issue?  (+3)

There is so much more too this including further rants on Google telling tablet manufacturers to not use Froyo and how 7-inch devices won’t make it, but the guy isn’t worth that much more of our time.

I’m sure this battle is far from over.  Thoughts!

  • nice job Jobs. LrnUrAppsB4UTalk

  • TwitterDeck… nice job Jobs. LrnUrAppsB4UTalk

  • Ubermicro13

    Ahahaha I knew it!

  • Ajt177

    Let me guess. The majority of these comments are probably from game console playing/Linux hackers who don't know how to create well polished software/hardware products that appeal to the widest majority and are easy for the layman to use.

  • brilliant comments guys…all you'll make this post even better

  • socalrailroader

    You can have any car, as long as it's black.

  • Pandemic187

    Google tried to take the “integrated” approach with the Nexus One – I guess that's why it's still one of the most open phones to date?

  • anyone else find it ironic that apple was the company that introduced the macintosh as the way to be different from the boring same as everyone else, controlled by “big brother” computer; yet now they want everyone to be the same controlled by apple. 1984 may not have been like “1984” but if jobs had his way 2010 would be.

    • Timoh

      I've said the same thing in discussions before and nobody seems to get it. At least there are two of us.

      • Chris Nimon

        Make it a trio. Jobs is worse than Uncle Sam when it comes to saying one thing and doing another.

        • History Repeats

          Make that 4… He was that way then though too. He just had a different vision of what “Big Brother” should be. The true irony of this is that it's looking like he didn't learn his lesson. The Microsoft of that era showed that choice and options are what people like. This time it appears that it will be Google and the open source community doing it.

  • adams

    “Not open eh, Steve? The idea that custom manufacturer skins and different versions of the OS make this not an open platform is a mind trick that only fools would fall for and Rubin’s tweet perfectly points this out. (-1000,000)
    It's open to carriers and manufactures but not the end user. This totally makes sense and if droid-life wasn't so android biased they would actually see sense in this.

    • adams

      and oh, btw, i wish i could apply @arubin 's code on my droid x……

      this is exactly my point….and steve's point…

  • The audio piece is typical Jobs gibberish. The “magical” experience that is Mac OS and iOS can't be topped by any other OS. He twists the truth. He is a salesman that any pitchman would idolize. Go and find on DVD “Pirates of Silicon Valley” and get a general idea of this man.

    Yes, some artistic licensing takes place, but I am sure it is close enough. Steve Wozniac was quoted from his own website in a wiki article The personalities and incidents are accurate in the sense that they all occurred but they are often with the wrong parties (Bill Fernandez, Apple employee #4, was with me and the computer that burned up in 1970) and at the wrong dates (when John Sculley joined, he had to redirect attention from the Apple III, not the Mac, to the Apple II) and places (Homebrew Computer Club was at Stanford Linear Accelerator Center) … the personalities were very accurately portrayed.

    Steve Jobs is a bullying marketeer that does not like it when people step into his limelight. He does not like being one upped, and he doesn't like loosing. Google and Android are doing all three to him. I have a Droid 1. I love it. It may be long in the tooth, but I don't feel the absolute need to throw down money to upgrade because Google tells me to.

    This is going to be a battle that will last as long as Apple and Google are making Mobile OS's. When Google gets the game straight and can be more hands on with a developer/manufacture and choose someone other than HTC (Motorola or Samsung perhaps) as their flagship manufacturer, we will really see some intense battles.

    • Oh yes, one more thing….
      Couldn't resist! LOL… Anyway, the choice in hardware is a very wonderful thing. Don't like how HTC handsets feel? How about Motorola's various devices? You prefer the LG line? There is literally an Android for EVERYONE. No “One Phone Fits All” mentality. And bring on the customization with LauncherPro, ADW, Tag Home, along with Widgets and more.

  • u mad bro?

  • MicroNix

    Everything Stevie touches is magical. Guess that makes him a fairy!

  • Turner

    I'll give Jobs that INTEGRATED is nice…out of the box. Although, it hardly ever seems to be the best option. For those that want their phone to play their music and if the stars align correctly make a phone call, great. But I still view the open/closed argument as completely different than open/integrated, albeit, I guess closed does encompass integration to an extent. But so does open… I'll stick with android.

  • Nik

    We all know somehow there will be an integration of all 4 markets…

  • Sam Lanzo

    I used to use apple because it was so much better than windows. Now I am fully open source, and I cannot believe I ever used anything else. He sees the wave of the future, and is trying to fight it. Can't blame a guy for not wanting to change his business model, but open source is where everything is moving and there is nothing anyone can do about it 😛

  • Jarrodlilly

    I remember when owner of social giant myspace was trash talking the little noobie we call facebook…..

  • Mr. Joe

    I think he needs to differentiate between android and manufacturer. The fragmentation isn't from Android it's from motorola, HTC, Sony Ericsson, and what not. Ericsson android phones still are operating off 1.6 and how many Motorola phones are forever stuck at 1.6?

  • P-man

    Basically if you want to have what every other I*hone user has then use iOS. If you have original thoughts and a mind of your own then use android on one of the many devices that suits your fancy. BTW did anyone catch how he mis-pronounced Froyo? (its FRO-yo not FROY-yo)

    Jobs you're an idiot.

  • Agustisgloop11

    I don't want to be the one jerk guy but j*bs has a point my droid x doesn't run as well or as fast as my bros iPhone and. I've never seen a glitch on my iPod touch but the droid x is full of lag while going through the menus or scrolling through apps

    • Buckgrad

      You should get your X checked out. Seriously…no problem on mine. 2.2 with Launcher Pro. The stock launcher was a little slow, but not as bad on mine as you're describing. Good luck.

    • adams

      right on, my droid x IS loaded with bugs.

      if you wonna know what a bug is, check out the droid x for a week, you'll find out in a jiffy…

  • K.Vinny

    I'm currently running this YouTube video live in my browser. Enough said.

    • adams

      the iphone HAS youtube :S

      absolutely no problem watching youtube… duh

      • future sailor

        “live in the browser” are the operative words here.

  • Dear Steve Jobs,

    Do you remember all of those years that you railed against Microsoft? It’s becoming increasingly clear that your rhetoric about Microsoft in the past was crap and that, at the end of the day, it was a clear-cut case of jealousy. All you wanted were products of your own that enjoyed the same type of market dominance, and now that you have them (iPod and iPhone) you’re behaving exactly like the people you used to call out.

    Your products may be cool, but you sir are increasingly not.

  • Ken Elliott

    Thanks to Steve Jobs, I can save time by having my App rejected once, completely closing the market to me. Much easier than Android, where I would have to be rejected by several app stores before the market is completely closed.

    Wait – that's flawed. Even if I'm rejected by every app store, I could still sell my Android app direct. Darn you, Google.

  • if android is fragmented than I like fragmented 🙂

  • Viper76269

    i love Apple……computers. Thats about it. Android is clearly open, and Steve is just trying to make zombies out of his customers. lol i thought it was funny when he said, “no need for flash, since most of the internet is HTML5.” Last time i checked, 85% of the internet still was flash. if Flash wasn't such a big issue, then we wouldn't be talking about it.

  • pezjono

    “The first thing most of us think about when we hear the word 'open' is Windows”

    … In what funky ass world is Jobs living in?

  • Hey Steve what is twitter deck?? Get it right Steve. Its TweetDeck, DUH!!!

  • this is a clear example of apples' study of consumer habits in mobile market in which he tries to brain-wash the so called “swing” consumer to buy its products instead of the competition, it also shows that apple is trying to move into the monopolistic view that microsoft had back in the 80s.

    If you really did some comparison of apples' technology VS what is out there; both in the PC and the Mobile device model, you would find that apple is 1 step back.

    A good example is the IPhone display VS the samsung AMOLED display, IPhone processor VS the competion and the Androids' OS VS the IOs.

    what we need in the market is technological progress and more user choice not a consumer cult that only benefits a certain company.

    More user choice DOES NOT MEAN FRAGMENTED..

  • ReebX

    What's best for the customer Steve? Choices or being told what they want?

    I like choices.

  • Ccody

    sound to me that job is gsetting a little bit deffensive

  • Blackdogg

    I would like to see this video up on a big screen. Picture, a bunch of slack jawed drones sit watching Mr. Jobs rant. Suddenly, a runner comes in…and throws a hammer…

  • Stevaroo01

    I've never owned an I*hone, but I sure love my DInc, and I don't have to hold it any particular way or buy any kind of special case (or sue HTC to give me a free case) in order to make nice, crystal clear calls that don't drop. I know that Apple will probably fix that in the next release, but seriously, if that's what an “integrated” phone is, I think I'll stick with my “fragmented” Droid!
    As a capitalist, I'm all for the consumer having choices, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest that Verizon may soon have it's own I*hone. I say, bring it on and may the best phone, (or in this case, OS), win!
    Long live Droid!!

  • vince

    I love my droid…love it!… but if the i*hone comes to Verizon I will switch…its just a better phone (not by a lot and only for now…)

    btw—you guys sound so jealous and delusional…its quite humorous 🙂

  • RLJSlick

    I wish Skeletor would worry about his own phone, you think he'd enough issues with it.

  • Bobby Toms

    What is Jobs talking about, when I hear the word “open' I don't anyone immediately thinks of Windows. This guy need to let the pipe cool off or something






  • If I didn't know any better…that's fear. Fear that Android is slowly taking over the world. Fear that Apple will no longer be on top of the mobile world. That's fear. Wow.

  • Sgthemmer


  • “Twitterdeck”? Really? Apparently, he only spent 5 mins researching information, cuz any sane person can see right through his shaky arguments.

  • I wear a turtleneck, therefore I am…. the better developer….NOT!

  • NYCLawyer

    Steve Jobs is a master marketer. He does not have to design, develop or sell a superior product. He simply has to market better. With the Mac, it was originally about finding a niche – artists – and then telling them and have them repeat that the Mac is better than a PC. Then it was about coolness – If a product is cool, then people will buy it. Design becomes more important than function (I know my Droid (D1) feels like a brick) – but it DOES so much more than any i*phone.

    In addition, it's funny, because he complains about the number of Android phones available. So many choices – so many models – some with physical keyboards and some without – so many carriers – so many differences – it is all too confusing. But then he asserts that one of Apple's strengths is its Apple Store which contains 300,000 apps. Isn't that too many choices?

    I love Apple because they did innovate. If it wasn't for the i*hone, we would never be where we are now. However, now that we have all of these choices, it becomes clear that Apple has stopped innovating and that the marketplace is deciding against Apple (although it is true that some people will go for the “simpler” choice).

  • Rubin's tweet underscores a problem I have with Android and it perpetuates the notion of either I have to be a dev to appreciate Android, or completely clueless and not give a damn about 1.5 , 1.6, 2.0 and so on. For better or for worse Android is fragmented and while it isnt hurting sales now, I do think it hurts the overall quality of the brand.

  • applesr4eating

    “Take the open system versus closed system model…” Okay 90% + of the computers in America operate on Windows (the guess what “Open System”). Apple competes with open source operating system for the scraps. Let's face it Android is the PC of the Smart Phone market and teh Apple will shrivel to a 5 to 10 percent share holding on to the ultra hip and elitiest.

  • banditball

    great reporting kellex! When i hear sound bytes like these it just saddens me more knowing they will be infesting big red in just a matter of time…. :'( We need to put all power to shield generators and prepare for invasion! :]

  • Kevin

    I love the picture you used Kellex!

  • mo

    if android isnt fragmented, why are there new devices still launching with 1.6?


    • AnDroidSepTIX

      Because It gives you the purchasing choice of a lower end phone. Some people dont have the money or need a high end phone with 2.2.

      hmmmm! ponder that one

      • I think thats a problem , we Android enthusiasts try to dismiss, thats not purchasing power,that fragmentation simple as that. Android isnt perfect thats one of its blemishes dont hide it.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, call it “fragmentation” if you want, but that doesn’t make it a bad thing. AnDroidSepTIX made a good point which you seem to have ignored entirely – that being that running 1.6 allows consumers who can’t afford to spend $200 to still get an Android phone that costs $50 or is free, even – which is nice. Though to be honest, I think “fragmented” is a bad word. It’s just that Android phone manufacturers aren’t necessarily trying to control every single aspect of the user experience, allowing them to actually have some freedom. Plus, if there were to be less fragmentation, this would have to come from Google, not the manufacturers, which would be difficult to implement. Want to get rid of fragmentation? Fine, but realize you’ll be giving up freedom along with it.

        • AnDroidSepTIX

          You are failing to realize that google is not responsible for making sure manufacturers update the devices. Cell phone technology is growing so fast you cant promise to support a device not capable of running the software. Android os is not apple os, its featured on more than one phone a year in all shapes in sizes. They give you the choice to buy a cheaper phone with cheaper hardware. With cheaper hardware you get limitations. There is no hiding it, its acknowledging thats the way its going to be. You can call it fragmentation because it is, but its not necessarily a bad thing.

          • I see it from a completely different perspective :). From a overall business view while not now its not hurting sales, it cheapens the brand plain and simple.

  • Gpatrick15

    Steve dont hate on android

  • RoadsterHD1

    It's about freedom!!! NOT communism!!!!! This is America we should have a choice, not what some idiot tells us we want !!!! Jobs crawl back into your apple HOLE…. like a the worm that you are….


    This sounds like a scripted response rather than a rant he does make solid arguments but apple has problems too not just android

    • It's really sadder that it's a scripted response. That means multiple people signed off on this as being a good idea.

  • Wbdrummer

    While i do think that Jobs makes a couple valid points about software fragmentation, the whole rant in general is hilarious. Sounds like Jobs is starting to feel the pressure of Android's impressive numbers. I hope he's going around reading all these droid forums and thinking about how stupid he sounded.

  • Steve jobless has seen the writing on the wall and knows that his days and that fruity phone of his are numbered cause droiddoes and it rules