According to a report from Bloomberg that cites a source familiar with the matter, Nest is working on at least three new products: A Nest Thermostat that will cost less than $200, a home security alarm system, plus remote room sensors to go along with new and existing thermostats.
In order to make a Nest Smart Thermostat that meets a sub-$200 price, the company is reported to be using less expensive components, with at least one prototype floating around not featuring a metallic ring along its outside. As of right now, Nest (3rd Gen) will cost you $250, so it seems Nest won’t need to cut too much to hit $200.
As for the security system, it is reported that it will consist of a digital doorbell and an updated indoor security camera. An entire solution is said to be in the works, complete with a keypad for entering codes (like a standard alarm system from back in the day), alarm sensors for doors and windows, plus a fob for your keyring.
In terms of timing, we may be a ways off, with Nest not confirming anything at this time. As reported, the less expensive thermostat could launch by next year, while the alarm system and accompanying solution may launch later this year, sometime next year, or not at all.
Who here needs more Nest goodies in their home?
Get it down to the $20-$30 price of a normal thermostat and I’ll consider it. This is like paying $40 for an LED light bulb….
The 2nd Gen Nest thermostat was one of the first smart home devices I bought. It’s pretty and the app is nice, but it offers slightly more functionality than the $79 Honeywell I have in my basement and around the same number of integrations. Nest has been flatlined for years. All three generations of the thermostat have been virtually the same thing, and the Protect is a really nice, really expensive smoke/CO detector (although I’m waiting for them to realize they can use the fairly decent speaker in it with Google Home for whole house audio). In short, they’re iterating rather than innovating.
Release a security system that doesn’t cost me monthly/yearly and I will consider it. But I highly doubt that will be the case with Nest.
Never likes that half cent plastic plate being installed either. It makes the Nest look trashy.
Then fix the hole in your wall.
i had no need for mine. Looks so much better without that plate
I moved mine to the living room so it would see me moving around. Didn’t need the plate. Two years later… still need to repair the wall from the old thermostat.
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I agree with @murphysmagnet:disqus. I have the same setup and it didn’t break the bank and was easy to setup.
Hopefully their security solutions won’t be cloud based… or count me out. I have my own server, and don’t want my stuff on the internet or in control of others.
You can already put together your own server based system with off the shelf components. You already know Nest isn’t going to sell you something for use on your own home server, so why even bother commenting?
I commented because it’s something I’d like. I already have a partial system, with some poe cameras and synology DSM survailence system… but I’m not a fan of their software and needing to use old school internet explorer to view video…
Just removed the Nest and installed the Ecobee3. Went on eBay and still paid less than $200 for the Ecobee3 and 3 sensors brand new. It is a much better system.
I’ve always been on the fence about which one really is better. I love the look of the Nest compared to the Ecobee (I have both and swap them around every few months). Functionality wise, I’ve always noticed Nest seems to be more consistent when it comes to maintaining temperature. Also, I’ve had better luck with the Nest when it comes to app integrations (Smartthings, Harmony, etc).
Ecobee has much better backend support though (I LOVE the usage graphs in the Ecobee apps) and the sensors are great for maintaining a steady temp across multiple floors.
I have to agree that the Nest does look a lot better. I haven’t had any issues with app support or integration on either unit. I have a wink hub and they both perform the same for me. A little different on the controls, but I like that the actual ecobee app looks just like the controls for the thermostat. As for the temperature, the ecobee is doing just right. We are going through the cold mornings and warm afternoons and ecobee is keeping the house just right in auto mode. The sensors are what really sold me. We have 2 bedrooms (one is an office and the other a guest room) are always hotter or colder than the rest of the house. Setting it to ignore the guest room and focus on the office most of the time is amazing.
Yeah, agreed. We have the same issue. I’m hopeful that the Nest remotes work half as well as the Ecobee’s do. Competition and all that. 🙂
I would love some better graphs in the app on the Nest. I reckon it goes back to Apple peeps making it. They feel we don’t need that stuff because it will only confuse our simple little minds.
I use my SmartThings (with Nest Connect) for graphing. 100% improvement over what the stock app offers.
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Nice, I might have to play around with my smarthings hub. I played with it a bit after purchase, then never touched it.
Be sure to check out the smart apps. They’ve really come a long way from when it first launched.
That’s really nice. I haven’t bought anything with a hub yet, as I am waiting, and waiting, for a brand that has all I need at a decent price. In other words I am waiting to see what Google does.
You’ll never find it. Even Google is going to be fragmented. Smartthings is about the closest I’ve seen so far that encompasses a total solution (without requiring professional installation and support).
They have, by far, the most compatibility with what’s out in the market today.
Agreed – With SmartThings, you will be able to at least integrate with the other platforms (e.g., Home, Alexa, Wink)
If I don’t buy Google, I am probably going to go the Xiaomi route. I have a few of their smart products (scale, fit band, cams, router) and like them very much. I guess having their router means I do have a hub. Hmm.
Yup Xiaomi is doing some really cool things with their IoT gear. Good choice.
That looks fantastic and is exactly the detail that I am looking for from my Nest. Can you give me a little more detail into how you set that up? Do you just buy a smartthings hub and when you link it to Nest it automatically provides this level of detail?
It’s a little more complex than that. Once you have the hub (and a Nest), then you need to do a little bit of legwork behind the scenes to get it working. Once you have it in place though, it’s a breeze to deal with.
This article details how to do it: http://thingsthataresmart.wiki/index.php?title=Nest_Manager
Im stuck between these two, heard great things about both. The cost of the Nest one just stings to drop though. I’d really like to though since I already have a nest cam. Hopefully these cheaper units are sub $150, that would be solid
You can always look on eBay. I’ve seen plenty of Nests for under $200 brand new. I bought my Ecobee3 with 2 extra sensors for $185 with free shipping. That would normally have been around $330. If you don’t need/want the sensors the you can get an Ecobee3 lite for around $125, just keep in mind that you cannot add sensors to it.
Still holding off my wife to get a “free” security system that would cost me every month. I’m ready Nest, take my money.
I’m in the exact same place… Tried installing a SmartThings solution for the security system with Scout integration, but just isn’t that great. My wife doesn’t like to be dependent on her phone, so she won’t ever arm the system or if she does she hates having to find her phone to disarm it. The keypad would be clutch but it also needs a reasonable siren to act as a deterrent. Wonder if it would leverage Nest Protect for that??
I’ve got 3 thermostats and 10 protects: I’m ready to detect intruders! 🙂 (assuming Nest meshes it all together for added protection). Reading your post, I’m glad I’ve waited. It has to work perfectly otherwise I will hear about it.
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I already own a Nest thermostat. I want the smoke detectors to come down to $50 (or less).
They are useless but you can spend your money any way you want.
I love mine.
same here. Just bought and installed 7 of them. I really like the night light feature, when walking past one in the dark.
I am considering buying around 5 of them right now. Was it worth the cost to you? Or do you have any buyers remorse?
No regrets at all. I really like mine. I already had one nest thermostat, then added another to the upstairs part of the house. And replaced all the old fire detectors, and carbon monoxide sensors with nest protects.
I have no experience with alternatives other than the old school ones that like to chirp in the middle of the night and drive you crazy.
The only complaint I had was the limited labels you can name them. For example, it has a list of words it can say, but it doesn’t allow you to string them together. Example would be ‘Downstairs Bedroom’. Both are words in it’s vocabulary, and it should be a simple fix to enable them to string words together. I emailed my suggestion to support, and they said they’d forward it to the engineers. I also asked for a bigger vocabulary. For example, I have a spare bedroom, but spare is not in it’s vocabulary…. so I had to call it something else.
What’s useless… the Nest or the smoke detectors?
The room sensors are long overdue… Ecobee3 comes with 3 room sensors. Almost made the change from Nest to Ecobee3 because when are are upstairs for an extended period of time, Nest Auto Away activates… and the heat would turn off. Very annoying.
I switched about a week ago. The ecobee isn’t as good looking as the Nest, but the sensors make it so much better. Just stay away from the ecobee3 lite, it can’t use the sensors.
There are smart vents (Keen) that work with the Ecobee remote sensors so each room can be controlled. It seems that Nest really needs to get with multi-room program! Can’t be hard to get motion detection notification along with remote sensors, since they do that already.
Just looked up those Keen vents and apparently they work with Nests too. https://keenhome.io/works-with-nest
Saw these vents at BestBuy and was intrigued..any experience with them?
Too bad the nest can’t read the different temps in different rooms though.
Yeah, that’s what makes the EcoBee considerably better in my eyes. That’s a big feature, esp. in multi-level homes.
For that price, I’ll stick with the sensors for now.
I agree. The vents are just too pricey to justify buying them for the whole house. Using them on every vent is the only way to get the intended use out of them.
That’s why I went with the ecobee. My thermostat is located in the hallway and my bedroom heats and cools way faster which is a waste when im in my bedroom.
I’ve been holding off on smart home gadgets until there’s more standardization. I’m also concerned that Google, in it’s Googley way, will just sell off or drop Nest (a la Motorola and more) without warning.
This is why i’m holding off on a Google Home. Whether or not Google will suddenly drop the product– I think other manufacturers will come up with a different design that I’ll prefer.
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You have to stay away from the idea that your home needs to be connected to Google in any way. I’m avoiding Google products in this area. Their track record isn’t great and right now they are really behind compared to everyone else. Sad really.
Samsung Smart Things and Wink cover just about everything right now. They cover all the current and most common connection type and work well with them. You can get a hub for $99 without all the extras (cheaper if you get one used) and then build up your home the way you want/need.
I’m set up with a wink hub, schlage connect door lock, 15 Philips hue white lights with a hub, a few smart wall switches and smart outlets, MyQ garage door, 3 Echo dots and an Ecobee3 thermostat with a few sensors. Going through amazon, eBay and Craigslist I have a pretty well set up house for under the price of the average smartphone. I’m still holding out to find the right camera/security system though.
Unfortunately, there isn’t an all in one solution. There are a lot of companies making products that work really well together though. That variety leads to some great cost savings if you know what to look for.
care to provide amazon links for all those products? 🙂 I’m in the middle of a Vivint contract and while the “protection” side of it is great…they charge WAYY too much for add ons. i wish the protection was an add on to any system of my choosing.
You won’t get the best deal on Amazon for most of this stuff (ebay and craigslist had the best deals for me), but sure.
Wink 2 hub https://www.amazon.com/Wink-WNKHUB-2US-Hub-2/dp/B01KW8WGZQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489000825&sr=8-1&keywords=wink
Wink 1 hub https://www.amazon.com/Wink-PWHUB-WH18-Connected-Home-Hub/dp/B00PV6GAI4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1489000825&sr=8-3&keywords=wink
Schlage Connect Lock (better price on ebay and a much better lock option than the bluetooth locks out there) https://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Touchscreen-Deadbolt-Technology-BE468-2K/dp/B01N1IKGXH/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1489001102&sr=8-2-spons&keywords=schlage+connect&psc=1
Ecobee3 (much cheaper on ebay) https://www.amazon.com/Ecobee3-Thermostat-Sensor-Generation-Amazon/dp/B00ZIRV39M/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1489000807&sr=1-1&keywords=ecobee3
Ecobee3 sensors (better price on ebay) https://www.amazon.com/ecobee3-Room-Sensor-Pack-Stands/dp/B00NXRYOIQ/ref=pd_sim_60_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00NXRYOIQ&pd_rd_r=FN0EQHKH6WW7D683HXDJ&pd_rd_w=BSyFj&pd_rd_wg=niAsx&psc=1&refRID=FN0EQHKH6WW7D683HXDJ
Chamberlain Myq Garage door opener https://www.amazon.com/Chamberlain-MYQ-G0201-MyQ-Garage-Controls-Smartphone/dp/B00EAD65UW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489001575&sr=8-1&keywords=myq
Philips Hue with bridge (you will save money buying a used 1st gen bridge, the 2nd and 3rd don’t offer benefits to Android users) https://www.amazon.com/Philips-White-Starter-light-bridge/dp/B014H2OZAC/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1489000834&sr=1-1&keywords=philips+hue
Philips Hue White Bulbs (also $15 each at walmart or bestbuy) https://www.amazon.com/Philips-468058-White-3-Pack-Amazon/dp/B01M1S6I1Y/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1489000834&sr=1-4&keywords=philips+hue
Echo Dot 2nd Gen https://www.amazon.com/All-New-Amazon-Echo-Dot-Add-Alexa-To-Any-Room/dp/B01DFKC2SO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489000817&sr=8-1&keywords=echo+dot
iHome smart plug https://www.amazon.com/iHome-Control-Seamlessly-HomeKit-Products/dp/B010ACFEI0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489001073&sr=8-1&keywords=ihome+smart+plug
Leviton Smart plugs https://www.amazon.com/Leviton-DZPD3-2BW-Decora-Dimmer-Technology/dp/B01N7NPRSB/ref=sr_1_30?ie=UTF8&qid=1489001031&sr=8-30&keywords=z-wave
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Linear Dimmer Switch https://www.amazon.com/Linear-WD500Z-1-Z-Wave-500-Watt-Wall-Mount/dp/B00E1OVFAK/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1489001008&sr=8-8&keywords=z-wave
GE Light switch https://www.amazon.com/GE-Wireless-Lighting-Control-12722/dp/B0035YRCR2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1489001008&sr=8-3&keywords=z-wave
Switchmate Light covers (work great for lights with toggles, we had too many sliders) https://www.amazon.com/Switchmate-One-Second-Installation-Lighting-Toggle/dp/B01EV7FXOA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1489001682&sr=8-2&keywords=switchmate
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Currently have a Ring Pro doorbell that I like, but if Nest could provide a nice and comprehensive family of products that covers the doorbell, thermostat, security and improved cameras and at better cloud pricing, I may be in, otherwise just thermostats.