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	<title>Comments on: Samsung&#8217;s Mobile Head Draws Line in the Sand, Will Not Settle With Apple</title>
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		<title>By: DanWazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanWazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I distinctly remember a chart Samsung had made of their designs before during and after the iPhone was introduced showing they started using the rectangular bar design before the iPhone was introduced which was blocked as evidence for being submitted late. How could Apple block Samsung&#039;s own internal documents and design concepts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I distinctly remember a chart Samsung had made of their designs before during and after the iPhone was introduced showing they started using the rectangular bar design before the iPhone was introduced which was blocked as evidence for being submitted late. How could Apple block Samsung&#8217;s own internal documents and design concepts?</p>
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		<title>By: michael arazan</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael arazan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now Samsung has raised their prices to apple 20% for the parts they need for the products. Apple tried to go elsewhere but couldn&#039;t find anyone who would accept their large scaled orders and were forced to accept the 20% price hike by Samsung.


Karma&#039;s a bitch Apple, and your reckoning is coming]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Samsung has raised their prices to apple 20% for the parts they need for the products. Apple tried to go elsewhere but couldn&#8217;t find anyone who would accept their large scaled orders and were forced to accept the 20% price hike by Samsung.</p>
<p>Karma&#8217;s a bitch Apple, and your reckoning is coming</p>
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		<title>By: michael arazan</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael arazan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It subtlety looked like Judge Koh was biased, and probably had stock or does now in the company. Not to mention the video interview of the Juror admitting being bias on HLN or CNN or one of the main media outlets. Not to mention the foremen conveniently left out his 2 different lawsuits with subsidiaries of Samsung]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It subtlety looked like Judge Koh was biased, and probably had stock or does now in the company. Not to mention the video interview of the Juror admitting being bias on HLN or CNN or one of the main media outlets. Not to mention the foremen conveniently left out his 2 different lawsuits with subsidiaries of Samsung</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But if you are Ford and you are dependent on GM for your tires, is it smart to sue GM at every turn knowing that you have yet to make any arrangements to get your tires elsewhere? And in your analogy every car maker has sit back and allowed GM to corner the market, so if GM decided to increase their price then isn&#039;t that their own fault? They are competitors as well as partners, after all.

And I&#039;m just guessing here, but I think Apple might have more trouble finding anyone willing to play ball after this because everyone has seen how Apple treats their &quot;partners&quot;. 

Basically I&#039;m saying that Apple climbed up and hung itself over that barrel, and they have no one to blame but themselves. It&#039;s not Samsung&#039;s place to worry if Apple customers are &quot;up in arms&quot;. And I doubt the US judiciary will be as much help on this one, given that Samsung is a Korean company and the international courts have been much less kind to Apple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if you are Ford and you are dependent on GM for your tires, is it smart to sue GM at every turn knowing that you have yet to make any arrangements to get your tires elsewhere? And in your analogy every car maker has sit back and allowed GM to corner the market, so if GM decided to increase their price then isn&#8217;t that their own fault? They are competitors as well as partners, after all.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m just guessing here, but I think Apple might have more trouble finding anyone willing to play ball after this because everyone has seen how Apple treats their &#8220;partners&#8221;. </p>
<p>Basically I&#8217;m saying that Apple climbed up and hung itself over that barrel, and they have no one to blame but themselves. It&#8217;s not Samsung&#8217;s place to worry if Apple customers are &#8220;up in arms&#8221;. And I doubt the US judiciary will be as much help on this one, given that Samsung is a Korean company and the international courts have been much less kind to Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: cooldoods</title>
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		<dc:creator>cooldoods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you read up on the case, you&#039;ll learn that Apple blocked Samsung access to documents and personnel that took Samsung some court orders to get access. That&#039;s the reason the new evidence Samsung wanted to include was &quot;late&quot;. Judge Koh did not accept Samsung&#039;s plea despite Apple&#039;s shenanigans. If you ask me, it was Judge Koh who missed the boat a lot of times with her decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read up on the case, you&#8217;ll learn that Apple blocked Samsung access to documents and personnel that took Samsung some court orders to get access. That&#8217;s the reason the new evidence Samsung wanted to include was &#8220;late&#8221;. Judge Koh did not accept Samsung&#8217;s plea despite Apple&#8217;s shenanigans. If you ask me, it was Judge Koh who missed the boat a lot of times with her decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Fingas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Fingas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A car analogy: imagine if GM was the only company making large volumes of tires that would work on sports cars, and decided to squash Ford, Chrysler and everyone else by charging them $3,000 per tire.  To accept this as-is, car makers would have to either take a major hit to their profit (if any was left) or charge much more for a car.  If they just &quot;go somewhere else,&quot; though, they either can&#039;t get enough tires or don&#039;t get tires that will work with sports cars.  People would be up in arms.

That&#039;s the ticket.  It&#039;s easy to pretend that there are 10 companies willing and able to do business with Apple at the drop of a hat, but there aren&#039;t; they can&#039;t all manage the technology and chip capacities that Apple needs, at least not without months of completing existing contracts, modifying plants and growing the workforce.  If Samsung raised prices by a steep amount just to retaliate against Apple for its lawsuits, it would be knowingly holding Apple over a barrel.  Since Apple can&#039;t just pick up and move its business on a few weeks&#039; notice, it would have to either slash profits or accept possible supply shortages, all while Samsung and other companies went without a similar penalty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A car analogy: imagine if GM was the only company making large volumes of tires that would work on sports cars, and decided to squash Ford, Chrysler and everyone else by charging them $3,000 per tire.  To accept this as-is, car makers would have to either take a major hit to their profit (if any was left) or charge much more for a car.  If they just &#8220;go somewhere else,&#8221; though, they either can&#8217;t get enough tires or don&#8217;t get tires that will work with sports cars.  People would be up in arms.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the ticket.  It&#8217;s easy to pretend that there are 10 companies willing and able to do business with Apple at the drop of a hat, but there aren&#8217;t; they can&#8217;t all manage the technology and chip capacities that Apple needs, at least not without months of completing existing contracts, modifying plants and growing the workforce.  If Samsung raised prices by a steep amount just to retaliate against Apple for its lawsuits, it would be knowingly holding Apple over a barrel.  Since Apple can&#8217;t just pick up and move its business on a few weeks&#8217; notice, it would have to either slash profits or accept possible supply shortages, all while Samsung and other companies went without a similar penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure switching isn&#039;t an impulse move, but neither was Apple&#039;s billion dollar law suit against their top supplier of components. I&#039;m sure Samsung can find some justification for price hikes, even if only one company is seeing those hikes. They do have legal fees. :)

And how does a price hike stifle competition? Like kg said, Samsung isn&#039;t the only ones making components. If you don&#039;t like the price, this is the free market. Go get your parts somewhere else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure switching isn&#8217;t an impulse move, but neither was Apple&#8217;s billion dollar law suit against their top supplier of components. I&#8217;m sure Samsung can find some justification for price hikes, even if only one company is seeing those hikes. They do have legal fees. <img src='http://www.droid-life.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And how does a price hike stifle competition? Like kg said, Samsung isn&#8217;t the only ones making components. If you don&#8217;t like the price, this is the free market. Go get your parts somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: dsass600</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsass600</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guys, just want to put it out there, the patents are regarding a carbon copy of the phone. Something that does not exist in the tech industry, unless you look at chinese knockoffs. I don&#039;t know when, but somehow the term copy has been expanded to &quot;looking alike.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, just want to put it out there, the patents are regarding a carbon copy of the phone. Something that does not exist in the tech industry, unless you look at chinese knockoffs. I don&#8217;t know when, but somehow the term copy has been expanded to &#8220;looking alike.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Fingas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Fingas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Price cuts&quot; is a typo.  Sorry!


Samsung is entirely within its rights to increase prices for the sake of profit.  But if it&#039;s a steep hike targeted at one company and meant primarily to stifle competition, it&#039;s against many antitrust laws.  Any large company in a feud with a rival is certainly going to be watched closely.


Apple can and is diversifying, but Samsung is well-known as one of (if not the) largest component makers; switching away isn&#039;t just an impulsive move.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Price cuts&#8221; is a typo.  Sorry!</p>
<p>Samsung is entirely within its rights to increase prices for the sake of profit.  But if it&#8217;s a steep hike targeted at one company and meant primarily to stifle competition, it&#8217;s against many antitrust laws.  Any large company in a feud with a rival is certainly going to be watched closely.</p>
<p>Apple can and is diversifying, but Samsung is well-known as one of (if not the) largest component makers; switching away isn&#8217;t just an impulsive move.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Hilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They lost because of one retarded juror who thinks he knows patent law. Apples patents are too broad, period.  Whether or not they copied (they copied a good deal, for sure) is not what&#039;s relevant here...it&#039;s that apple&#039;s patents are too broad and cause a monopoly situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They lost because of one retarded juror who thinks he knows patent law. Apples patents are too broad, period.  Whether or not they copied (they copied a good deal, for sure) is not what&#8217;s relevant here&#8230;it&#8217;s that apple&#8217;s patents are too broad and cause a monopoly situation.</p>
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		<title>By: kg215</title>
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		<dc:creator>kg215</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That 1 billion dollar case is a tough one, though the foreman controversy gives Samsung some hope. But the other allegations are just Apple being patent trolls, don&#039;t make it sound like every accusation by Apple is a truth or a done deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That 1 billion dollar case is a tough one, though the foreman controversy gives Samsung some hope. But the other allegations are just Apple being patent trolls, don&#8217;t make it sound like every accusation by Apple is a truth or a done deal.</p>
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		<title>By: DanWazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanWazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It might not have change the outcome and it IS just speculation (that&#039;s why the word &quot;potentially&quot; is included), but I&#039;d rather have a legal team the can do something, like submit evidence properly, than a team that cannot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might not have change the outcome and it IS just speculation (that&#8217;s why the word &#8220;potentially&#8221; is included), but I&#8217;d rather have a legal team the can do something, like submit evidence properly, than a team that cannot.</p>
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		<title>By: kg215</title>
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		<dc:creator>kg215</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No they lost because the case was in California and the foreman had a moment of &quot;inspiration.&quot; Whether or not the foreman was biased against Samsung, he convinced other jurors that if he was the owner of said patent he could defend it, even though the foreman was not a patent expert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No they lost because the case was in California and the foreman had a moment of &#8220;inspiration.&#8221; Whether or not the foreman was biased against Samsung, he convinced other jurors that if he was the owner of said patent he could defend it, even though the foreman was not a patent expert.</p>
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		<title>By: kg215</title>
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		<dc:creator>kg215</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again stop pulling stuff out of your ass, read the link you posted. Apple could pay the cost or move on to a different supplier, do you know anti trust laws are for?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again stop pulling stuff out of your ass, read the link you posted. Apple could pay the cost or move on to a different supplier, do you know anti trust laws are for?</p>
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		<title>By: kg215</title>
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		<dc:creator>kg215</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all no one mentioned price cuts, do you mean price increases? Second last time I checked Samsung was a business. They can&#039;t raise prices to make a profit? You make it sound like all they can do is sell things at cost until the end of time or they will be hit by anti trust laws all over the world. They aren&#039;t the only one that makes components and they can raise prices just fine, Apple doesn&#039;t have to buy the components from them. If there is a contract then Samsung has to wait out the length of it or give money back to Apple but the option is there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all no one mentioned price cuts, do you mean price increases? Second last time I checked Samsung was a business. They can&#8217;t raise prices to make a profit? You make it sound like all they can do is sell things at cost until the end of time or they will be hit by anti trust laws all over the world. They aren&#8217;t the only one that makes components and they can raise prices just fine, Apple doesn&#8217;t have to buy the components from them. If there is a contract then Samsung has to wait out the length of it or give money back to Apple but the option is there.</p>
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