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In the Case of Apple Vs. Samsung, Samsung Found “Guilty” (Updating)

Bad day for Samsung. The Samsung vs. Apple jury has just finished deliberating and the verdict is out in San Jose. Unfortunately, it looks like Samsung has been found guilty of deliberate patent infringement time and time again on many devices spanning multiple carriers. As you may guess, this was never going to be just a simple ‘guilty’ or ‘non guilty’ outcome. There was a 700 question form for jurors to answer and as I type this, the verdict is still being read and discussed in court. What we know so far is that Samsung is going to have a rough road ahead with this loss. 

This post will be updated as more details are made available. You can expect a full breakdown next Monday as all of the trial’s information and verdict are compiled for easy digestion.

Update: In good news, Samsung’s Galaxy Tab was found not to infringe on the iPad’s design. That’s a big one.

Update 2: In terms of damages, Apple has just been awarded $1.05 billion. Ouch.

Update 3: So far, Samsung’s claims against Apple are being met with a wall of “No.”

Update 4: That’s it for now. All of Apple’s patents valid. Samsung devices infringe on many of them. Samsung must pay big money. We’ll keep you posted!

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  • NestleCrunchTime

    I suppose Apple’s billion dollar win in court means Samsung will essentially be manufacturing Apple’s iPhone/iPad parts now for free. Apple just won themselves a whole lot of Korean slave labor (possibly from China), and what a great prize for a supervillain, so maybe that was their plan all along.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=621022391 Michael Kruger

    Sad day for Samsung. Hopefully they’ll be appealing the verdict. One thing is for sure, this certainly leaves a bad taste in my mouth for anything Apple, as they have proved they are patent trolls. Move over Rambus, you’ve got a new stable mate.

  • Lane252

    …poor samsung…. in other news this win for apple will keep them afloat for another 3 years before they go bankrupt without their (dearly missed) brain child mr jobs. so no worries the bitten apple will meet its day of rotting

    • SolipsisticPsychologist

      This is probably a very real possibility and accurate assessment you’ve made here. I could see Apple getting to the point where their only source of further income, is gained solely from winning frivolous lawsuits, also, while they’ve failed to innovate in any other business or creative areas. That will probably be their final, dying source of income.

  • shanklin07

    A billion dollars is a lot of money but Samsung has their hands in so many different markets this will merely be a set back. Even if things change drastically in the mobile industry, Samsung has other markets it already competes in to keep the cash flowing. Apple really only has mobile to keep them going; At least that’s where they made their money. But Apple is one of the most profitable companies in the world so they can f*ck up and still be ok for awhile. But IMO, I don’t think Apple is innovating on the i*hone 5 and as a result I think they will loose new adopters and maybe even veteran users. I feel like a third company like RIM or Microsoft needs to be a threat here to keep things interesting for mobile. Anyway.

  • Havoc70

    Crapple has tons of cash I wonder how much they paid for that verdict?

  • John Wildman

    Apple won big this in a court of law, enough said. Samsung isn’t going out of business, but they do need to stop ripping off others hard work. I’m not a Apple fan, but stealing from anyone isn’t right no matter how much I dislike them. I have said it for years.. the Japanese and Koreans don’t have a original idea ever, they just steal others and make it better. This time they didn’t get away with it. Enjoy that Inexus you all have been bragging about, I’ll stick with my Moto, at least it isn’t trying to be a iPhone, it is a true android experience :)

    • http://twitter.com/SuperBigBlack Jason James

      apple didn’t invent colorful squares or webpages or rectangles. what did they invent and not tweak that samsung copied?

  • Steven Cornea

    as much as this sucks, from what I read samsung really dug themselves into a hole what with the emails and all.

  • fanboy1974

    Nothing we can do now. The past is the past. We got to look forward to better Samsung/Android phones. Good reason for Samsung to stick with stock Android and let Google worry about Apple’s crying.

    • kidheated

      Exactly. Maybe now, all the other manufacturers will see the benefit of just sticking to what they do best (building hardware) and let Google worry about everything else. It’s what everyone wants anyway. Cut your losses before they even happen and just start stacking profits. Or just give your software away as a DLC sort of thing (or something like that). If it’s free, they can’t sue you for it. Maybe now we will get that UI chooser system idea that has been tossed around.

  • Bionic

    I honestly couldn’t care less. I do hate apple though.

  • Ekknr

    Justice prevails. Let this be a lesson thieves. Crime doesn’t pay!!!

    • LionStone

      If crime doesn’t pay…then how come Apple is getting paid!?

  • JoelSeph

    All I have to say is…pfft.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

    As part of its lawsuit, Apple also demanded that Samsung pull its most popular cellphones and computer tablets from the U.S. market.

    The judge is expected to rule on that at a later date. And — given the number of patents that Samsung unabashedly violated and infringed upon — there’s a pretty decent chance that some Samsung products will be ordered pulled from the U.S. market. Appeals would delay that so long though that most of those products should be obsolete and no longer even produced by the time they actually have to act on it.

    I just hope I get my Galaxy SIII update before the judge orders Samsung to stop selling and supporting them.

  • Pegleg

    Patent law and patent issues are so complicated there is no way this jury new what the hell they were looking at.

  • http://twitter.com/SexciiP JaQuez Avondre

    Apple is single handedly killing innovation and the way phones will be designed. This isn’t right!!!

    • Wise_Tech_Babe

      > Apple is single handedly [sic] killing innovation

      Killing innovation? The phones look more and more amazing every 1-2 years than I ever dreamed possible. That’s “killing innovation”????

      Do you think the 2014 phones will be anything short of stunning and eye-popping????

  • http://twitter.com/PackFanJason Jason

    Honestly, Samsung did deserve some of this. Even Google told some devices “looked too much like “”.

    However, do I think Samsung deserved to be hit this hard? Probably not. At the same time though $1 billion really is a drop in the bucket to Samsung. Hopefully, they appeal and get it reduced due to Judge Koh not allowing quite a bit of evidence that should honestly invalidate patents on rectangular devices with rounded corners.

    In the long run the only people that really losing out is the consumer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/troop.threeninetwo Troop Threeninetwo

    I think this issue will be around for years, back and forth. Litigation will be the way to capitalize on another company, inovation will be left out of the equation. Sad day for us all for sure.

  • Spider210

    so whats the difference, verizon share everything plan, now at&t mobile share plan, why doesn’t verizon sue at&t for coping its plans that are ‘slightly’ different

  • madcow706

    How about this, Samsung just stopping making components for Apple. Wouldn’t that Apple?

    • frankandsimple

      That’ll hurt Samsung USA plant in Texas. The next iphone is already using LG for their display.. You need to understand who the top dog is here.. .. who is in a commanding position and who is not. Companies dime a dozen will fall head over heels just to be in business with a product (iphone).. that does more business by itself than the combined business of everything that Microsoft does.

  • Nobody

    So how many of the jurors were carrying iPhones?

  • Rickerbilly

    Samsung will survive. Big whoop.

  • Chris

    $1.409 billion holy hell

    • Chris

      $1.049 billion whoops

  • tech247

    Samsung will get its revenge in Asia where it will use its influence (especially in China) to get Apple products banned.

  • AlexKCMO

    Something I’m not clear on. They were saying the original SGS infringed on the iPhone (I don’t blame them, the original SGS did look like an iPhone… but didn’t they remove the middle home button for the US release? Surely, they weren’t suing Samsung in a US court for the look of their phones on the European market?

    There’s no way in holy hell that these people went through the documents that quickly. Something is off and I think this will be appealed. I want Judge Richard Posner to handle the appeal. He’s a tech savvy guy who has no bias (Blackberry user) and he really knows his tech.

    • http://twitter.com/daniel_suraci Daniel

      Posner is in a different circuit.

    • frankandsimple

      see the article about the technical details in b g r.. they’ve explained it all there.

    • PATENT LAWYER TO THE EXTREME

      Patent cases are appealed to the Federal Circuit. Posner sits on the 7th Circuit.

      • AlexKCMO

        So there isn’t a way for him to be a consultant on the case? I feel like he’s one of the more competent judges who should be involved in these disputes.

    • SilverUberXeno

      Why would somebody that “knows their tech” have a BLACKBERRY?

  • L. S.

    Hopefully this help Samsung be something they are not.

    • frankandsimple

      most sensible reply.

  • Destroythanet

    Memo to Samsung: Stop sending emails talking about how awesome the iPhone and iOS are to your employees.

    • DroidDoesnt_2

      Thank you!!! :-)

  • takean

    As much as I like my iPhone, this is a huge disappointment IMO. This will undoubtly hurt the smartphone/tablet industry and is borderline apple holding a monopoly. Remember when AT&T was considered holding a monopoly. This is what all corporations want…and Samsung isnt excluded. They want to own the competition. This is a step in the wrong direction for technology advancement. :(

  • Ny Reynolds

    Here’s hoping the appeals process fixes this sham of a trial….

  • sporty

    Seems as if Sammy’s got fruit envy. They need to kick this REAL quick and get some of their own innovations cooking. Quit trying to copy the competition….

  • Frank Lorito

    Lets go Google now its your turn.

  • DroidDoesnt_2

    “We have filed for 200 patents for all the inventions in the iPhone. AND WE INTEND TO PROTECT THEM”.~~~Steve Jobs, January 9, 2007 at MacWorld.

    Quit your whining, fandroids. The arrogance of Samsung is what led to this verdict. They were warned, and they chose to ignore the warning. Even Google warned Samsung to stop copying Apple: http://m.pocketnow.com/2012/07/26/trial-briefs-google-warned-samsung-not-to-copy-apple-samsung-fighting-back/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

    The chickens have come home to roost :-)

    • tomgillotti

      F*ing Trolls lol… hey, apple finally did something right. Go you, IfanBOY ;)

    • http://twitter.com/asten77 Asten

      Of course, well over a hundred of those things were obvious and/or had prior art. A granted patent doesn’t mean it’s original.

    • frankandsimple

      you got that right! .. friggin cheap ass south korean company trying to take on Apple.. Apple makes more money selling iphones than Microsoft makes with their entire business!!… This is about showing who the boss is!

  • http://twitter.com/frice2003 Frank Rice

    This is going to have a horrible effect on the growing market place of Smartphones. Today Apple just won. Android is going to be on the defensive for a long time to come and Apple will be very reluctant to change anything considering they will lack most major competition. Android will have it’s own lawsuits yes but increasingly it looks like the future is going to have a Apple as the victor whether we like it or not.

    So now we can expect hundreds more patents for the most minute of features. Companies suing each other for similar ‘designs’ and one phone by one manufacturer having ‘features’ that another doesn’t. So what a wonderful feature it will be. Like if back in the PC/Mac wars a patent had existed for a mouse and one didn’t have one…That kind of insanity is going to prevail in this marketplace. How wonderful that will be. Enjoy your victory Apple, but also enjoy the massive amounts of lawsuits you will now bring down upon yourself from dozens of other companies.

    • frankandsimple

      Samsung is the only one that riles up Apple.. Apple doesn’t seem to bothered with the rest.. I think you are being melodramatic.. This will have no impact in the market.. unless you are in the market for cheap iphone ripoffs and blatant lift off of others’ work.

  • http://twitter.com/borochocho Cesar

    Samsung’s statement by the way:

    “Today’s verdict should not be viewed as a win for Apple, but as a loss for the American consumer. It will lead to fewer choices, less innovation, and potentially higher prices. It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners, or technology that is being improved every day by Samsung and other companies. Consumers have the right to choices, and they know what they are buying when they purchase Samsung products. This is not the final word in this case or in battles being waged in courts and tribunals around the world, some of which have already rejected many of Apple’s claims. Samsung will continue to innovate and offer choices for the consumer.”

    • frankandsimple

      that’s like piratebay saying after their shut down “today the consumers have lost because they can no longer view movies for free”.. LOL

      • DroidDoesnt_2

        LOLOL!!!

      • SolipsisticPsychologist

        Yes, these two cases and sentiments by those two different companies, well they are identical. How anyone could confuse the two, well only a mongoloid would not see the shocking similarities. It’s long been lauded by experts and scholars, that the case of Apple being a bully and stifiling innovation at every turn by suing instead of working hard to out-compete the competition, was just so gosh darn similar to the case of a company making large sums of money by facilitating the large scale piracy of intellectual properties, well it’s said they are so similar that people often ask their cell phone carrier if they have the new Samsung Galaxy Piratebayexus or the Apple iPiratebayhone. I’m shocked that you are the first person to see this striking similarity between the two cases, and I applaud your incredibly sharp deduction skills and genius perception.

        • frankandsimple

          I have no clue whether you are being sarcastic or serious.. I presume English is not your native tongue. Anyway.. Samsung was given more than ample opportunity to LEGALLY use the patents that it infringed on, by none other than apple. it is not as if this was a sneak attack on Samsung.
          Samsung willfully violated them even after given an opportunity and a warning by google

    • Wise_Tech_Babe

      > one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners,

      If the patent offices foolishly issues a patent for it… it’s YOUR patent.

      If you owned the patent… you wouldn’t take the $1 *BILLION* dollars????

      • SolipsisticPsychologist

        No, no I can honestly say I wouldn’t, if it meant I had to sell my soul to lucifer, become a dirty whore, cripple innovation, have zero integrity and no real friends that would still be around if I was penniless, have no morals or business ethics, not be able to look my children in the eyes and have them know that their dad does the right thing and helps the world be a better place and help’s his fellow man, no, I would turn down that billion dollars in a heartbeat. I’ve had no money and I’ve had lots of money, and it’s always been apparent what matters more in life, and it’s not the money it’s those things I listed that Apple will never have. How much does Apple give to charity every year, I forgot? Even if they did give half of their accumulated net worth, well it would be dirty, dirty money. It would still help those in need which is great, but Apple would still be a deplorable company, not being selfless, and only caring about image. But last I checked they are neither.

  • frankandsimple

    I am ecstatic!.. Justice was served!!.. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know how enamored Samsung is with Apple.. Forget the technicality of the codes that Samsung copied.. right from their kies software to their damn AC charger.. they’ve copied Apple Shamelessly.

    GO USA!!

    • DroidDoesnt_2

      Exactly…

  • MikeSaver

    But apple is free to copy android with nfc, notification pull downs, etc?

    • buckazui

      right? i always wondered about how they got away with the notification panel on ios 5

      • MikeSaver

        Well I actually think it’s because android is open source so there isn’t a patent on that?

        -Mike Saver

        Sent from my Google Nexus device.

        • frankandsimple

          actually no. being open source does not mean it is patent free.. it only means it is copyright free. there is a difference. Google’s main reason for acquiring motorola was to get their patent portfolio

          • cphilano

            actually no, open source is a copyright license for software that makes it available for everyone. There are usually requirements in the open source licenses that set restrictions like preserving the name of the author and the copyright statement. So its all dependent on the wording of the Open Source license.

          • frankandsimple

            you are saying exactly what I said.. open source is loose on copyright.. making it available for everyone.. patenting is not.

          • capecodcarl

            No, it is not loose on copyright. The copyright belongs to the authors. That is a very important point because it stops a company from Apple from just coming and incorporating “open source” code, especially licensed under the GPL, into their closed source environment legally. Open source does not mean public domain. I understand what you’re implying though, that it is more open to modify than closed source, but there are still strong copyright protections for open source software.

      • G_Romero

        Android is open source.

      • L. S.

        Because Android is open source. The idea was first introduced on Android though.

        • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

          Just because a technology is open source, it does not give another company the right to make billions off of the same tech, especially when the first company holds a patent for it.

    • CIFchamp24

      So far there is no NFC. And android the OS did not invent NFC nor own the tech in anyway. That’s like saying apple and android copy each other on batteries for the phones.

      • MikeSaver

        Understood. But couldn’t the same be said for apples suit on slide to unlock and pinch to zoom? Apple just proved you don’t need to have invented something to sue someone for «copying” it from you

        • SolipsisticPsychologist

          You are exactly correct and it sets a very sad and disturbing precedent for all future pointless and baseless patent lawsuits and court battles, hmmmmm, just like this travesty was and is in the end and beginning. Morons of the world unite and celebrate Apple’s evil and spinelessly uncreative innovation smothering victory, hoorah!

          edit for: typos

      • Liderc

        Oh you mean like Apple saying they created the rounded rectangle?

    • feztheforeigner

      Two reasons:

      1) Google filed for the pull down notification in 2007 and is still waiting for its approval (pretty sad patent system right?)

      2) Apple knows that Google has a reputation of being the ‘nice guy’ and wouldn’t want to lose that. Google just doesn’t sue people.

  • The Real Uncle Sam

    I will be dumping my Samsung for the iPhone 5. I can not in good conscience support a company full of Korean thieves stealing from Americans.

    • tharealoc

      Good for you, support American thieves.

    • UrDoGG

      Seriously, dude?

  • 1ofdakoolkidz

    So……..Google what are you going to do about this, they basically just jumped your boy.

  • teleclimber

    Personally I think some of Samsung’s designs were a little too close to the i*hone. I am not surprised that the jury went that way.

    We do have such a thing as trade dress protections and it’s a good thing. Pepsi can’t come out tomorrow with a red can and a silver swirl on it for a reason. That’s a good thing.

    Motorola proved again and again that you can compete head-on with the i*hone while looking completely different from an i*hone.

    I don’t like the i*hone, I don’t want anybody to copy it. Come up with something better. It’s really not hard.

    • UrDoGG

      I completely agree.

    • http://twitter.com/AMPthe13th Adrian M. Petty

      “Pepsi can’t come out tomorrow with a red can and a silver swirl on it for a reason.” But luckily they can come out with it in a can. I hope Samsung abandons their physical home button on future models and makes a few minor tweaks. Once that happens it would be more like iPhone-Cola suing Galaxy-Cola for also offering their beverage in cans. :P

      • JB

        Isn’t that more or less what this already was. Most of the patents should have been invalid due to the presence of prior art. Sure the Galaxy S UI is similar but the rest of it should have been tossed out.

      • Apostrafee

        It wouldn’t stop Apples claims, I mean they flat out said in court that the Nexus was a direct copycat of the iPhone….REALLY?!?!

  • wm snyder

    The judge uses a I phone… Hmm…

  • Nazzi_Muhammad

    Apple owns all you biotches……

  • STupid ApPle

    apple can pretty much kiss the hariest part of my ass all the way to the bank now

  • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

    What happens with the case of the Galaxy S3? It looks different than any iPhone today but when the iPhone 5 is released and it has a bigger screen, thinner, and lighter design it will basically be the S3 but with an Apple logo. Thats when legal battles and patent wars will become very complex!

    • JB

      Apple will have to “retroactively” patent those new features.

  • SeanBello

    good. Apple is royally effed now. This means they’re gonna have to pay up over all of the patents Googorola just came with, and it’s gonna be a LOT more than $1 bil

  • thenew3

    The trial took place where the jury either has family, friends that work for Apple, or work for some other business that is heavily dependent on those that work for apple, thus they’re not going to rule against a company that is the one of the basic lifeblood of their home environment.

    To be a fair trial, it must take place out side of the USA and South Korea, in a neutral country that does not benefit from either company (so can’t be china), with judges, jury that does not use products from either company and does not have family or friends that in any way directly or indirectly benefit from the outcome.

    That place likely doesn’t exist on this planet, (except in very inhospitable areas), this this whole law suit is just silly and crazy!

    • LionStone

      I don’t know if Samsung tried to get the case moved but yea, it certainly had an effect…too close to home. Even if most the jurors did not have smart phones as I’ve heard, in this location it doesn’t matter because you hear, see advertising and media and friends have or talk about iBuy devices. And apple balked that none of the Korean bigwigs came to the ridiculous circus court case. I wouldn’t either if I wasn’t getting a fair trial.

  • anon

    Question is this is just the jury right? The presiding Judge has yet to weigh in? If so things still might change.

  • tharealoc

    August 24, 2012

    A sad day for technology and innovation, wonderful day for sheep

  • http://twitter.com/savagejeep SavageJeep

    Ridiulous how a similar lawsuit can find drastically different results. I like the Korean verdict: “You are both guilty of idiocy. Grow up and move on.” … My paraphrasing :O

  • Drew

    More pictures

    • walloftext

      Distortion field lol, CBS/paramount should sue apple for stealing trek style. TNG had those padd things that looked like a rounded rectangle decades before apple.

    • G_Romero

      This! ^^^

    • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

      We should find the original companies and petition them to sue Apple for copying THEIR idea, and while they’re at it they can sue the United Stated Patent office for wrongly allowing the patents to be approved in the first place.

      • SKAVENG3R

        You do the leg work and I will sign! Let us know.

  • jeff3yan

    This is great news. I like Android as a platform but Samsung is definitely the worst OEM when it comes to design language.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.norton.14 Jonathan Norton

    This just in the jury has *&^^ for brains and were all found to have iphones in their pockets.

    • anon

      What you have to really ask is how much the jury understood the case and what was going on. They clearly were fooled into believing a patent is a end of story closed case argument. They failed to look past that black and white to consider how much those patents were wrong and invalid.

      • wm snyder

        They could not give their opinion they had to answer the questions and for a score above 60 you get a iphone free unlimited everything!

  • Hmm….

    They are going to have to sue in a completely different case that Apple’s patents are invalid due to prior art. They only hinted at that without going hard core into it. Judge Koh knows all about that issue, having been an IP attorney, which may partially explain why she got so irritated at the entire stupidity of this case.