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In the Case of Apple Vs. Samsung, Samsung Found “Guilty” (Updating)

Bad day for Samsung. The Samsung vs. Apple jury has just finished deliberating and the verdict is out in San Jose. Unfortunately, it looks like Samsung has been found guilty of deliberate patent infringement time and time again on many devices spanning multiple carriers. As you may guess, this was never going to be just a simple ‘guilty’ or ‘non guilty’ outcome. There was a 700 question form for jurors to answer and as I type this, the verdict is still being read and discussed in court. What we know so far is that Samsung is going to have a rough road ahead with this loss. 

This post will be updated as more details are made available. You can expect a full breakdown next Monday as all of the trial’s information and verdict are compiled for easy digestion.

Update: In good news, Samsung’s Galaxy Tab was found not to infringe on the iPad’s design. That’s a big one.

Update 2: In terms of damages, Apple has just been awarded $1.05 billion. Ouch.

Update 3: So far, Samsung’s claims against Apple are being met with a wall of “No.”

Update 4: That’s it for now. All of Apple’s patents valid. Samsung devices infringe on many of them. Samsung must pay big money. We’ll keep you posted!

For live coverage, you can follow the Verge’s livecast here.

  • DJyoSNOW

    My guesses are the next case will be the home button.

    • JB

      When are they coming for my old windows mobile phone? I’m sure that violates the iphone trade dress. Rounded corners, grid of icons, home button, oh nos!

  • Destroythanet

    After losing a billion friggin dollars because of Touchwiz, can Samsung get rid of that crap already?

    • richardsonadm

      You can blame Verizon for TouchWiz. Verizon doesn’t want so many different android phones with stock.

      • Jake

        That doesn’t explain why TouchWiz is on devices on other carriers and Wifi-only devices that aren’t on any carrier. Even if you were right, Samsung didn’t have to make TouchWiz look so similar to iOS. Other manufacturer’s skins look different., so Samsung could have done the same.

        • SolipsisticPsychologist

          And copying pull down notifications are okay to you? Not that I think Samsung copied jack sh!t because they did not. And it doesn’t matter if Google sues over the pull down notifications or not. They don’t have to sue to make it patent infringing for Apple to have used this feature, by your broken and idiotic logic and rules. You can’t claim Apple is in the right and that Samsung copied anything, until you address the very real fact, using your logic of course, that Apple copied Google, blatantly. Well you can deny it using your biased perverse logic, but then you are a moron and a highly hypocritical disingenuious moron to boot, you know, using your skewed logic.

      • Diablo81588

        …….

    • anon

      I do not see apple in touch jizz. But I also do not see what people hate about it. I only hated the icon set and the huge gap between the “hotseat” app dock and the desktop. (GSIII) Simply loaded nova/whatever loader I feel like on it.
      Touch jizz had a small portion of this case though.

      • MKader17

        You don’t see appl in touch wizz yet you talked about the hideous icons. They are damn near identical.

    • Bionicman

      Man who cares about touchwiz. All this is going to hurt is us one way or another, the consumer. I am glad I am apple free and this bs just solidifies that.

  • msnight04

    I still don’t understand why the Galaxy Nexus is a part of this suit. Since Google controls the entire software experience on this device, how can Apple legally sue Samsung for it.

    • UrDoGG

      I don’t think that the Galaxy Nexus was a part of this suit. The Nexus S 4G was, though.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001458670467 Tyler Cameron

        Nexus S 4G looks nothing like an iPhone, in fact, it is am example of unique design that’s beautiful. The only thing it seemed to copy was the packaging.

  • Dogg Fon

    I’d have more sympathy for Samsung if the Galaxy Nexus they sold me for $600 actually had radios that could allow a clean voice call or a decent data connection. But since Samsung screwed me over, I am glad they are now paying the price. Looking forward to an invasion by North Korea.

    • Cliff Wynne

      wow really….I dont have any major problems with my nexus and those I do have is not enough wish that Apple gets a foothold in the smartphone market that could stifle innovation.

  • Drew

    Praise Apple, the greatest innovators of our time!

    • http://twitter.com/borochocho Cesar

      Lmao, you got trolled.

  • Destroythanet

    Maybe the jury had some of the crack that Apple’s lawyers were smoking.

  • joejoe5709

    Minor speedbump, people. Samsung (and Android) will find a way to keep on keepin’ on. Apple is only delaying their inevitable demise. Eventually people will see them for who they really are…

    • richardsonadm

      This is so true, iPhone 5 will bring nothing new to iOS except the number 6. What ever feature they bring, Android already has it.

      • kevin

        As much as this is true you are still forgetting about all the Isheep. They can literally just put their logo on a cow turd and they will still have people lined up for days to buy it. People are in a trance and I think apple has too tight of a grip on them that they can never break away from it.

        • Apostrafee

          You’re right and really that is the only reason why they won this case…popularity.

          • kevin

            Not just that but lets say if Samsung did in fact win the case I personally think that a lot of consumers will still end up siding with apple and just few Samsung as the OJ Simpson in this case in the sense that even though samsung won they are still terribly guilty. As much as I hate to say it I doubt Apples fan base will deteriorate at all any time soon.

    • Plasticky

      You’re nuts, bro. I own a GS3, but the iPhone is a really great product. Don’t let brand loyalty blind you to reality.

      • dangolds

        Totally agree. I’m in the same boat as you. Have a GS3, like the top android phones but also recognize that iPhone is a sweet product too. I don’t understand why it has to be one or the other…..especially since the changes we see now in each device are often incorporating features from the other side (e.g. Next iPhone – bigger screen; “Project Butter” – replicating the smoothness historically seen in iOS). People need to chill and appreciate both systems.

        • http://twitter.com/crobson1985 chris robson

          I woudn’t have cared I have apple products including the last ipod touch, but this suing for such vague bs has made me not care much for apple at all.

          • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

            They’re suing over patents that they don’t even technically own! Every patent they own is BS because, as Samsung has showed the apparently blind jury, there was tons of previous work that shows Apple copied the ideas.

    • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

      Exactly, but what really gets me is that Apple is allowed to sue Samsung in just about EVERY country! There should be a world wide law that says you can only sue a company for copyright in one country. But I seriously think that all this news of Apple suing is starting to deter customers from purchasing their products, its letting off a clear indication that Apple would rather sue than innovate and as time progresses it will become more and more apparent in their products (just look at iPhones…they lack 4G LTE, NFC, powerful processors, lots of RAM, etc.)

  • brkshr

    I hope Google rains fire on crapple with lawsuits now!

  • carlisimo

    I agree with some of it (mostly the Galaxy S / iPhone3gs trade dress issue), and I thought that the bounce-back patent, at least, might be upheld (it’s not THAT obvious, imo)… but this is too much. It’s a bit worrying.

    • http://twitter.com/asten77 Asten

      There’s prior art on the bounce back, as well.

  • Trevor

    What exactly did the galaxy nexus infringe upon that other android devices didn’t?

    • Cliff Wynne

      not only that it doesnt have touch wiz its totally stock android…

      • ArrTooDeeToo

        If Apple goes after Samsung for the Galaxy Nexus, they’re barking up the wrong tree. They should go after Google if they wanna chance it.

        • ArrTooDeeToo

          But they don’t because they know they’d lose.

    • Trevor

      Apple users remind me of the San Francisco fart smelling people from south park

    • UrDoGG

      It wasn’t a part of this case, the Nexus S 4G was because of the bounce-back patent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/xc1097 David MoonSub Shin

    i bet the jurors were offered money and free i-device for life. just like their witnesses

  • gdashlock

    The jurors probably have iPhones in their pockets….

  • jim

    ok folks calm down, think of it this way, does any of this change your life in any way?… no, samsung will either write them a check, or appeal and drag it out forever

    • anon

      It already has affected consumers you moron. What were all these dumbed down searches but not capitulation to apple. What this means is consumers will loose features off their phones. It also means the consumer will pay more since apple will get it’s draconian payoff on each device because the patents are so vauge and the technology so ingrained into the devices. It also sets a precedent now, watch as apple will go and sue everyone now because this case proves these patents.
      Think before flapping that vomit hole.

      • jim

        all it takes is for them to file an appeal

      • jim

        you are quite the ass now arent you

      • Jim McClain

        Grow up kid

  • Me

    I have personally had business dealings with a Korean business in the past and am not surprised one bit with this out come. They can be very sneaky.

  • http://www.facebook.com/xc1097 David MoonSub Shin

    i never had respect for american judicial system and jurors.

    • SolipsisticPsychologist

      It may have gigantic blunders like this, but it’s still ten times better than any judicial system in the world. Countless countries have modeled their judicial systems off that of the American system. Despite our many flaws, America is still the best place to live and always the strident torch bearer for freedom and justice. You show me something wrong with America, and there are many things in this fallen world, and I’ll show you another fifty things that are wrong with any country you compare us too. And keep in mind I’m an ardent student of world history and global events. Compared to the other horrors in the world’s judicial systems, America is a fricking choir boy.

      • SolipsisticPsychologist

        And I just point out covenient and wholly typical of your American-hating kind, to never indicate the amazing country you live in, who has a judicial system that puts our great judicial system to shame and deserves so much more respect and praise, yes how typical to knowingly omit that tid bit of information. So easy to compare notes when you don’t actually show the other person your notes, now isn’t it? I guess that speaks truths about the country you are a citizen of, I could easily chance a few guesses.

  • nightscout13

    I just lost respect for America. More specifically the judicial system.

    • Drew

      You can’t say 9 uninformed every day Joe’s represent America. They don’t know anything about technology. The patents were basically “a black brick like shape with a screen in the middle”.

      • nightscout13

        Society as a whole is going down hill. Judge Koh blocked evidence Samsung tried to present. I hope Samsung appeals.

        • Drew

          It’s not even a big deal to Samsung. This is about 2 dollars to them. I just hate that Apple fanboys are going to shove this in our faces.

          • nightscout13

            It’s cool, Android still has bigger market share, and no phones or tablets were banned. So at the end of the day, life goes on.

          • Drew

            Apple fans don’t understand that sadly.

          • nightscout13

            We have something to look forward to though, Motorola’s suit against Apple. THAT one should be much better, since Motorola has a MASSIVE patent portfolio.

          • Drew

            Oh boy, when is that?

          • http://twitter.com/savagejeep SavageJeep

            2014

          • Drew

            Welp

          • nightscout13

            I think sometime 2013.

          • Apostrafee

            Well there was a Moto vs Apple suit that finished yesterday

          • nightscout13

            No, the ITC passed the case down to the courts.

          • dangolds

            Anyone with common business sense understands that it’s an apples/oranges comparison. Android has how many different OEMs…..how many different models? Apple’s business model intentionally sacrifices market share for greater profitability. But name a single phone model on any US carrier that outsells the most current iPhone model in a given year. GS3 is the first model I can think of that might pose a real threat in this regard. But in general, comparing total Android against total Apple sales is analogous to saying that General Motors sells more cars than BMW. It’s a true statement but not a meaningful comparison.

          • Drew

            Razr Maxx out sold the iPhone 4S in Q1 and Q2 this year on Verizon. It could be due to Verizon’s attempt to push their customers onto 4G LTE devices though. I went in my Verizon store last June, and the guy convinced my sister to get a Razr Maxx (she went in wanting an iPhone)

          • dangolds

            I think they outsold the iPhone in Q2 only, not Q1. I bought a Razr Maxx earlier this year and Verizon was definitely hawking it. But if you take a look at the full first year sales of both devices, I’m sure the iPhone had the higher figures. And keep in mind that this was with Apple basically mailing it in, waiting an extra model year before coming out with LTE. Pretty smart from a profitability standpoint, even though I found it to be annoying.

          • ERIC REED

            Now name five people you know with a Razr MAXX…you just can’t do it!!

          • Drew

            I actually can: My sister, my uncle, my two close friends, and myself.

          • dangolds

            #6 was me….until I sold mine to get the GS3. Crappy camera, hot screen and having to reboot the phone 2-3 times/week eventually turned me against the Maxx. No such problems with the GS3. Best Android phone I’ve ever used.

          • Drew

            Glad you like it! Enjoy that Snapdragon-4 processor!

          • ERIC REED

            I stand corrected…

          • paul_cus

            Couldn’t agree more, drop in the bucket for Samsung.

        • http://twitter.com/asten77 Asten

          I’d think they’d have an insanely good argument for an appeal. This judge was horribly biased from the start.

  • Cliff Wynne

    Actually I can see the case against the original Galaxy line. What gets me is how Apple was able to get away with calling the Galaxy’s App Screen their Home screen when clearly it wasnt.

  • Liderc

    Bunch of iSheep just did a terrible thing, they don’t even understand the ramifications of this verdict. They’ll be paying for it down the line as well as the rest of us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/xc1097 David MoonSub Shin

    seriously, how can the jury find the rectangle design original? then moses should be awarded patent for rectangle design for the device

    • carlisimo

      I think that part of the case included the metallic rim around the edge, and the grid of icons in the screen. The most damning part of that, imo, is the dock – in Touchwiz it looks uncomfortably close to the iPhone’s springboard.

  • webby

    Apple spending billions to sue to slow down competition instead of on faster innovation, will in the long run act to the detriment of all of us, even you gloating Apple fanbois.

  • http://www.facebook.com/xc1097 David MoonSub Shin

    this decision needs to be overturned. so wrong….

    • http://twitter.com/savagejeep SavageJeep

      I hope so and ASAP. We need to know the probably of that happening.

  • MechaEx

    What may be the reality of carriers/Samsung pushing through software updates to change/alter infringing patents? Is there a way to turn off such updates as to not lose features?

  • jroc

    Really though, Samsung had to have known someday this would come back to them. I’m sure they have the money set aside for the day they would be held accountable.

    • SolipsisticPsychologist

      I remember you from the last time Apple threw their big gut of weight around and it made headlines on this site, funny how you pop up every time something like that happens, yet are absent all the other times to this site. It’s surely not typical of an Apple cult member, and how they are never just content with enjoying their Apple device, and must run out and try to convert others to join the cult, and make it their mission to badmouth and sling mud at all those who would dare speak out or against their coveted and magical gift from the almighty Apple. No, you surely do not fit that modus operandi.

  • chris125

    Samsung owes apple 1 instagram lol

  • jim

    with all the money they have,its not going to break them

  • http://www.facebook.com/kewatt Kenneth Kewatt

    It boggles me that one company can be forced to pay for ripping off another company’s ideas, when those ideas were ripped off from someone else to begin with. Got to love the patent system.

    • 4n1m4L

      I wonder which is more, 1.05b or elevating this enough to fix the patent system

  • http://twitter.com/BiggiePhat JG

    i was almost thinking of buying a macbook for my programming. After this im never touching ANYTHING apple makes. Im afraid they will sue my for living cause they have a patent on that.

    …although Jobs infringed on that by dying…

    • anon

      Soon apple will own anything you do or produce on a apple product. AKA Disney

    • Allen Byrd

      Use Linux. Macbook, UGH. I hate OS X.

      • snowblind64

        That’s funny because they keep making Ubuntu Linux look more like OS X.

        • http://twitter.com/shobon Kyle

          OS X is beautiful, but the OS itself is crappy.

        • Steven Tolnai

          Which is why I started using Linux Mint :-)

        • Allen Byrd

          Uh, no they don’t… lol

    • envoy510

      The Mrs. is jonesing for a Mac book, but I’m gonna do my best to change her mind. She’ll only ever use a browser, so I think a Chromebook would do her fine, and save a bunch of money. Before this long slow slide into patent hell, I didn’t really think much about it, and was on board with the decision. While I hope a lot of people do the same, I’m not holding my breath that it will actually make a dent in Apple’s bottom line.

      • Matthew Merrick

        make sure to buy her a Samsung chromebook.

        my dad wants a tablet, was thinking about the nexus 7. I’ll be splurging to get him a GNote 101 just because of this

        • http://www.ashevilletechnologyservices.com Dan Brown

          And not just because we’re trying to help Samsung here… the Sammy Chromebook is a much better model.

    • Liderc

      Exactly fk Jobs and Apple, hope he’s burning in hell.

    • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

      I bought one last Christmas and I must say, even tho I don’t believe in a single bit of Apple’s business models and their business ethic, the MacBook Pro is a beast of a machine! It’s a power house of a machine thats extremely reliable! To me, its worth every penny because I’ve made every dollar back through photo editing and video editing, not to mention that I can’t even count how much time this thing has saved me. No more dealing with backups, disk defagmenting, annoying control panel, etc.) I hate to say it but on the mac, “Everything just works.” lol And don’t think of me as some fanboy, I love my MacBook Pro but I love my Droid Razr!

    • Manny

      Your a moron just like most if not all android fanboys. Had it not been for apple android would not exist !!!!

      • http://www.ashevilletechnologyservices.com Dan Brown

        You’re the Moron. Android was founded in 2003, Google purchased it in 2005, iOS was not released until 2007. Sure iOS helped develop Android to where it is today, but it existence is not based on Apple.

    • http://www.ashevilletechnologyservices.com Dan Brown

      Dell is just about to release the XPS 13 Ultrabook preinstalled with Ubuntu, sub $1000, hopefully more like $800. Even if you wanna load your own distro, this is a good option not having to pay the Windows licensing.

  • http://twitter.com/SexciiP JaQuez Avondre

    Apple is single handedly killing innovation and the way phones will be designed. This isn’t right!!!

  • motcher41

    jury was likely a bunch of iphone owners…epic fail of the justice system….samsung forever!

    • Neomastermind

      Actually, they were most likely android users. You know, with Android’s prevalence and all that jazz.

      • anon

        San Jose, a bastion of Apple users. Seriously though I do wonder why there was not more friction when choosing the jury.

        • dangolds

          News flash: Mountain View is right by San Jose. Sheesh, the way some of your guys are reacting you’d think something earth shattering just happened, like war breaking out or a head of state being assassinated. A little perspective, please. One giant rich company sued another giant rich company in a court of law and won. And your biggest fear is that a bunch of Apple dweebs will make fun of a bunch of Android dweebs as a result. Come tomorrow, next year and beyond, we will all still have plenty of Android and Apple devices to argue over.

          And please, spare me the innovation argument. Has it ever dawned on you guys that companies like Apple, Google and Samsung have the resources to simultaneously innovate AND litigate? It’s not like it’s one or the other. And finally, enough with the Apple never innovate argument. They innovate and so does Google. You just so happen to like Google’s products better than Apple’s so you put on blinders that are just as silly as those worn by the Apple Fan Boys that you detest so much. As someone who regularly uses both companies’ products and reviews forums from both sides, trust me when I say that some of you are equally as biased and over sensitive as they Apple legions.

    • carlisimo
  • tharealoc

    well now i cannot wait till google/moto drop the ban hammer they just raised up.

  • http://twitter.com/Wil_Payne Wil Payne

    I thought I sent this on my iPhone, but sure enough it’s a “Galaxy Nexus,” whatever that means.

    • Andrew Bernath

      Wil wins the thread.

  • http://twitter.com/kashtrey Trey W

    that should be 1.051 billion.

  • tharealoc

    this was a biased jury its pretty clear from these many “yes” votes fr apple and all the “no” votes for samsung

  • David

    I believe they got what they deserved. They copied Apple. End of story. Innovation comes from new and inventive ideas not ideas that are “kind of like” what other people are doing. If anything, innovation just got reinforced today.

    • richardsonadm

      What has apple innovated? They are just the first to the market on everything and know how to market the heck out of it. iPad really did suck at first and is expensive for what it was.

      • http://twitter.com/asten77 Asten

        They’re not even first to market, they simply wait until everyone else that got in the market before manufacturing caught up to design has invented everything, then they do a good job of sewing it together and dumbing it down for the average technophobe idiot.

    • http://twitter.com/Defenestratus Defenestratus

      I hope you like Apple having the only smartphone that has any features worth buying – because thats what this ruling reinforced. It KILLED innovation.

    • bose301s

      When has Apple EVER had a new and inventive idea? I’ll give you a hint, NEVER.

      • dangolds

        Yeah, because that whole app store concept was just hanging out there for years on all our phones before the iPhone came along, right? Here’s a hint about innovation – it applies to more than just prototype development. Identifying new product markets, improving manufacturing and design processes, marketing strategies, building brand loyalty and successfully executing on product launches……All require innovation. If you don’t recognize these as activities and functions requiring innovation, then we should all hope you’re never asked to run Google or Samsung.

        • LionStone

          …marketing strategies…pulling over our eyes… ;)

          • dangolds

            Exactly how do you expect a business to achieve good sales volumes without successful marketing and promotion of its product? You might not like the fact that Apple’s ad campaigns worked so effectively, but that doesn’t change the fact that their advertising and marketing efforts were innovative relative to other Tech companies.

            “Buy this phone because it has an unlocked bootloader and you can flash custom ROMs” isn’t the way to spark massive commercial sales interest. It’s not just about specs – innovation in business extends well beyond that.

          • LionStone

            That’s right, I don’t like apples ad campaign because it is so deceptive. Take for instance their commercials showing off siri and making people believe it works so fast and seamlessly and then, OH? Whats that fine print at the bottom? Times have been shortened!? hmm clever marketing indeed, if you can’t see through the wool.

    • anon

      stay out of the kool-aid. Litigation never helps innovation.

  • chris125

    Well still wasn’t what apple wanted but will be interesting to see how samsung reacts. Maybe go stock android or actually come up with their own completely redesigned UI rather than touchwiz.

  • http://twitter.com/YearZiro yearziro

    Well we all know this verdict will be challenged and this will probably go on for awhile

  • MicroNix

    Let all innovation in the smart phone industry halt as of today.

    • jroc

      This can only help innovation – now Samsung will have to come up with their own ideas, if they are able.

      • Liderc

        Jroc you’re still the dumbest mfer I’ve ever seen online. Please die already. Still using your POS Razr?

        • NorCalGuy

          Ur no better than an I sheep why go around bashing other android phones, not to mention it actually happens to be one of the top of the line android phones , and just because its locked doesn’t mean its a pos.

          • Liderc

            Is your name Jroc? Then go away.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darius-M-Clark/1420215236 Darius M. Clark

        Agreed! they need to find themselves and stop looking at Apple like its some all knowing company

      • Matthew Merrick

        yes, your own ideas, such as a non-square phone?

  • Neomastermind

    “1 billion, 51 million 855 thousand dollars” Apple smugly walks to the bank.

  • tharealoc

    damages ….

    1 billion, 51 million 855 thousand dollars are you kidding me

  • tharealoc

    this was not a jury of our peers…it was a stable of sheep…

    • imronburgundy

      Actually not, only like 3 people in the jury even owned smartphones.

      • tharealoc

        you don’t have to own an iphone to be a fanboy.

      • http://twitter.com/savagejeep SavageJeep

        Peers would own a smartphone.

        • duke69111

          I agree. Smartphone users would most likely be able to tell the differnce between them. Most people who dod not own them, think they all look alike anyway.

          • Liderc

            Exactly, these idiots couldn’t tell the difference because they have an IQ of 47. These things should not be left to average citizens.

          • L. S.

            Then who?

          • Liderc

            Maybe a committee of patent experts? You know, people who could actually read the documents.

          • chris

            Are you serious? Its the average citizen who’s not a smartphone user that they’re trying to entice to get a smartphone. People who have smartphones generally already have a preference as to what they like. So it should be left up to those individuals who don’t own one, to determine. I don’t agree with the patent infringement claims, but it’s the world we live in. Besides, after all the appeals process and stuff, this will be carried out for another 10 years and by then no one will even remember wtf this was about.

          • Liderc

            No… Just no… Average citizens should not decide the outcome of cases that could send ripples through the entire smart phone/tablet market for the rest of our lives. Some of these idiots probably didn’t graduate from high school do you think they could decipher ANY documents that were presented?

          • Chris

            EXACTLY. Send ripples through the entire smartphone/tablet market. God knows it’s needed. BE INNOVATIVE. Create new ways of performing tasks on the device. Use your imagination. Hopefully this will bitchslap everyone into creating new ideas in doing things.

          • Liderc

            Except this sends bad ripples. Apple copies Android’s pull down notification bar, do you see them being sued because of it?

            Double standard a bit?

          • Sobr0801

            Well its up to google to protect its intellectual rights is it not?

          • Liderc

            They know that the smart phone industry is better because they allow another company to use one of their ideas. There’s room for all companies in the industry, which has been seen by great devices being released by all manufacturers this past year. Apple is the only one going sue-happy. Which is ironic considering their entire motto was to steal other people’s ideas.

          • Sobr0801

            Who IS suppose to determine the outcome of this trial, a legion of android or apple fanboi’s. No thanks, it would be like sending a legion of Rush Limbaugh/Obama fanatics to decide the president.

          • duke69111

            I don’t know that I would go as far as to say they have an IQ of 47, but I do agree that they likely have no idea as to what was presented to them. When I talk to people about smartphones using what I think is fairly basic lingo, I often just get blank stares.

          • michael arazan

            An IQ of 75 or lower usually has mental retardation or a mental disability from a birth defect. The average person has the IQ of 100 and people with an IQ of like 160 , I think, or higher are genius. It is based on a chart that shows the median for our society. I had to take two days of testing for my IQ test.

          • Chris

            Which is exactly what apple was trying to say. That soon to be smartphone users will probably be confused as to what is an iphone and what is a samsung device. It’s good that none of them were smartphone users. I’m not happy with the verdict, but it seems pretty fair if that’s the case.

          • Liderc

            If this case was only about one thing, then you’d be right, sadly it wasn’t. It was about patent reform, which these people have no clue about. They should have never been allowed to decide the outcome of this case. I bet 90% of them couldn’t even understand a single document they were presented with.

          • Chris

            It wasn’t about patent reform. It was about whether samsung copied apple. Which is kind of hard to deny. Will patent reform come from this and Samsungs appeals? Perhaps. Perhaps not. That’s another battle still to be fought.

          • Liderc

            Yes it was about patent reform, they could have invalidated Apples ridiculous patents. You obviously haven’t followed this case, so stick to what you know best…[ ]

          • duke69111

            @chris @Liderc I talk to family members, neighbors, friends (who are not smartphone owners) all the time about smartphones and they all think the motorola looks like the samsung looks like the iphone….a smartphone’s a smartphone to them. These buyers are going to rely on a friend or relative or a store rep’s reccomendation and buy based off of that, not because they think one looks very similar to the other. If one phone kind of looks like the other they are not going to choose the samsung or the motorola because they think it looks like an iphone, they are going to choose it, because they don’t care and probably don’t know the difference anyway.
            I really don’t think someone is going to walk in to a store or online and go, oh this samsung looks like an iphone I should buy it.

          • JB

            Back in the PalmOS days, people always asked if I had a blackberry. People who know nothing about phones will tend to assume that any smartphone is the one they have heard the most about.

      • huskerkate

        ….which means they were most likely too dumb to understand anything that was said. there’s a common saying – cases are always decided by 12 people who are “too dumb to get out of jury duty.”

        • CIFchamp24

          All it took was 9….

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001992840095 Tj Allen

            I thought the decision had to be unanimous?

          • http://www.deathbycone.com Jared Kotoff

            I think thats only for criminal cases. Idk i was on a jury and it had to be unanimous for a criminal case.

        • James

          some people like doing jury duty idiot. a day away from the drudgery of normal life. sucks for you its fun.

          • http://Twitter.com/ContestsAccount bigrob60

            B.S. Not when they only pay you $15 a day b/c your employer doesn’t pay you

          • http://twitter.com/ThereseZamora1 Therese Zamora

            People who know nothing about phones will tend to assume that any smartphone is the one they have heard the most about. http://Millionaire4Project.blogspot.com

      • SolipsisticPsychologist

        Considering how many people in the American population that own Iphone/iPad/iPod’s, there is a good chance that the juror had a family member or close friend who owns or at one time owned one of those devices. Then compound that possible scenario with the very real fact that a huge portion of Apple owners are hypocritical fanatics, that can’t see any opinion, fact, or piece of logic that differs from their own, i.e. they are very similar to liberals. And well you tie all of that together and it doesn’t matter if they personally didn’t own Apple devices, because they were probably already non-objective and biased when they first sat down in the courtroom.

        And only 3 of them owned smart phones you say, well what kind of smart phones were they, I’m seriously asking because I haven’t read much on this sham? Plus you can’t forget about Apple’s marketing. Even if the jurors didn’t own “i-devices”, they were no doubt inudated with Apple’s warm and fuzzy, extremely simple and dumbed down commercials or internet-based advertisements, that going off of the cheery “magical” ads Apple puts out, well “Apple is just a big hip teddy bear, I can’t believe this American big loveable company, is having their hard work and “money” stolen, by those despicable Korean b@stards!”, you know despite the fact that those Korean’s supply parts and all the “i-devices” are as about as American as anything with the words “Made In Taiwan” written on them.
        Well I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what went on in the head’s of those either ignorant or just plain moronic jurors. Samsung just as any company that is not Apple, is doomed from the start when being sued and having bogus allegations brought against them by Apple. GestApple is much more accurate, hiel Jobs mein furher!

    • Don’t hate

      You mean they not hater? All I know is hater here Lol

    • Jeff Tycz

      what you people seem to be forgetting is the fact that both apple and Samsung agreed on the jurors so how does that statement even hold any water? Or are you saying Samsung intentionally sabotaged the trial for appeals court?

      • Mark

        Exactly. The Judge even gave Apple and Samsung a chance to settle instead of leaving it up to these “non-expert” jurors. Both companies knew what they were getting into. They both went all-in and Samsung unfortunately lost.

        • BAoxymoron

          but apple said quite some time ago that they wouldn’t settle with samsung… regardless… not standing up for samsung I mean they definitively shamelessly copied software though their hardware is fairly different imo

          • http://www.facebook.com/arielandbianca Ariel Enriquez

            you can’t copy something you yourself invented. Apple holds patents for software they didn’t develop- Samsung proved they innovated a lot of what Apple claims they invented. But because Apple own the patents they can sue whoever they feel violated them. It’s a broken system being abused by a broken company

          • mx

            Clearly they didn’t prove anything of the sort in the jury’s opinion.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jason.bringhurst Jason Edward Bringhurst

            If you’ve ever served for jury duty, you’d know that you can only use the facts in your decision. You don’t use your interpretation of the facts to suit your purpose or pick a side based on how you feel (regardless of how it may seem on the outside looking in). So, with that in mind, did Samsung violate Apple’s patents that are currently in dispute? In some cases, yes. Apple holds the patents. That was the point of this case. Samsung violated them regardless of whether Apple copied another. They hold the patents. I’m not agreeing with the verdict because I also feel the patent system is broken, but that’s how it is.

          • Erick

            Technically, you’re wrong. Look up Jury Nullification. Though, from what I gather, not many lawyers prefer their juries are aware of this power

          • sb1831

            Jury nullification is only applicable to criminal trials in the US. Judges are empowered to overturn such verdicts in civil matters.

          • SolipsisticPsychologist

            I also do not even remotely agree with the verdict, and I highly question the integrity and intelligence of the jurors. And I absolutely believe this to be a huge tradegy, because more than anything what this does is that it emboldens Apple and encourages them keep bullying instead of out innovating the competition, and it gives them a new fresh fervor to attack even more companies and bring even more frivolous patent suits and baseless allegations to these companies door steps.

            But sadly, a small part of me blames the Samsung legal team as well. Granted they were fighting a losing battle from the start, with almost every card stacked against them. But like the post above said, barring having biased non-objective, evil jurors, well if you follow the judge’s orders, then you can only decide on the case with what has been presented to, with a completely objective mind. I’ve served as a juror on a cocaine trafficking and murder case before. And despite some of the idiots I served with, I absolutely went into with an objective mind, and I only decided on issues, with how they were adequately or inadequately presented to me. I found the accused guilty of the trafficking and the muder charges, but there was a charge pertaining to all the money he had made and had stored up from selling blow for many years. And I didn’t rule in favor of the state seizing the money, I ruled in favor of his family getting to keep it all. And this wasn’t because I thought that he somhow had millions sitting in the bank and in his homes from working the meanial job he used as a front, no that would have been ludicrous to believe that, and I won’t divulge all the details. But suffice it to say, as much as in my heart knew he aquired all that money from selling coke, I just could not let the state have it instead of his family, because the prosecution did not adequately show me beyond the shadow of a doubt, that all of this money came from selling drugs, I could only decide with the facts and evidence given to me, and the prosecution did a p!ss poor job of convincing me of that.

            So, assuming the jurors followed the judge’s order’s, and only decided with what was presented to them (which knowing how stupid a lot of people can be and how they use emotions to decide things), well obscuring that very real possibility, I would then lay a portion of the blame on Samsung’s lawyers. But as I said, it was pretty much decided from the start that Samsung would lose overall, because of all the corrupt factors in place in anything Apple does regarding patent lawsuits.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jason.bringhurst Jason Edward Bringhurst

            Well there has to be consensus. One juror could’ve held out, and they’d have a hung jury. That wouldn’t help anyone either; with an appeal, Samsung can request a change of venue (whether that’s granted or not is another story). They agreed that Samsung violated some of Apple’s patents based on the evidence provided. Honestly, Samsung has been pretty brazen by walking that fine line, but they can afford to do so. I’m still not sure how a rectangle with rounded corners and a screen in the middle was awarded a design patent. Like really?

          • http://twitter.com/adrynalyne Adrynalyne

            The patent system wasn’t on trial. Therefore it doesn’t matter if the the jury felt the patent system is broken or not..

          • BAoxymoron

            I wasn’t referring to patents… patents do nothing more than impede innovation. I was talking about trade dress and brand design which company’s spend millions of dollars building(read the Android recovery article) and use to give their products a preconceived notion of what they’re getting/ build hype for the brand something samsung did copy a little too much on in my opinion on the software side with touch wiz. It didn’t just take design cues from iOS but was in fact modeled after(just read the emails).

      • richcricketz

        all the jurors were from the silicon valley area. biased a little? The town where the iPhone came from and Steve Jobs was a legend.

        • Jeff Tycz

          Whatever makes you sleep at night my friend, If Samsung thought they could not get a fair trial they could have requested a change in venue. So I again restate my statement that BOTH apple AND Samsung had to agree on the jurors that were selected. This verdict is not going to effect android much if at all, it only effects Samsung and how they design their phones

          • SolipsisticPsychologist

            Yes and it surely won’t embolden Apple to throw more baseless allegations of patent infringement on many more companies. Regardless of the technical details, this morally and ethically corrupt, but keep playing the devil’s advocate if it makes you feel better.

          • Jeff Tycz

            This trial was about the trade dress of the iphone and if samsung diluted it. Any other allegations to other manufacturers from apple would happen anyway regardless of the outcome of this trial

          • michael arazan

            What’s odd is in writings, If I paraphrased someone else’s words it is not plagiarize but if I copied it almost word for word it is. Is that what samsung did? I haven’t read about all the evidence yet. Because I’m sure they couldn’t possibly be stupid enough to do so. I mean these companies pay millions in lawyers and patent reseach, and I’d think someone would have advised them against a full on copy, even the exec’s wouldn’t be stupid enough to do so.

          • michael arazan

            Even if they did request a change of venue, doesn’t mean they would be granted one. But it would be an excuse of many i’m sure for when this judgement is appealed.

    • JulianZHuang

      couple of the jurors are android users. read or google before comment please.

  • Destroythanet

    The big question is how much will Samsung be forced to pay for these “infringements”.

  • sam copycat

    Dear Samsung:

    Pay up, bitch!
    Love,Apple

  • Jim McClain

    Well if they want to take my nexus and give me an siii, I’d b OK with that

  • Kyle Miller

    Dah well! Sent from my Very Rare Samsung Galaxy Nexus!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510104108 Michael Clanton

    finally the stolen product of android is starting to finally show cracks….they pay microsoft, and they get hit legally by apple.

    • chris125

      actually “they” don’t get hit by apple. Samsung gets hit by apple the other manufacturers didnt make an almost replica like UI based off the iphone.

    • Jarred Sutherland

      Get out troll, at least try and read before making stupid comments.

    • tharealoc

      how are you liking that drop down notification menu on your iphone? oh and that “multitasking”? and that voice navigation? oops they still haven’t released that to you, ive had it for years now. keep trying to catch up

    • Nick

      Michael, you must have just got done smoking crack if you think android is a stolen product. Go troll on another site.

    • richardsonadm

      Google financially backed the initial developer of the software, Android Inc., and later purchased it in 2005.[8] The unveiling of the Android distribution in 2007 was announced with the founding of the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of 86hardware, software, and telecommunication companies devoted to advancing open standards for mobile devices.[9] Google releases the Android code as open-source, under the Apache License.[10] The Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is tasked with the maintenance and further development of Android.[11]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

    • http://twitter.com/asten77 Asten

      I’m rather sure none of the source code for iOS is in Android. Apple “stole” more ideas for the iphone than any android manufacturer has “stolen” from Apple.

  • paul_cus

    Yikes

  • 1324356565

    Dumb

  • DLM

    Also all of the patents upheld.

  • Murphy

    Oh sh*t!!! I wonder what the future holds…

    • msnight04

      Appeals…

  • kerrhome

    SGT 10.1 did NOT infringe on i*ad!!