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Android Engineer: Verizon is Holding Back Your Galaxy Nexus 4.0.4 Update

Android software engineer Jean-Baptiste Queru, who you see mentioned here quite a bit as he handles the AOSP, shared his thoughts yesterday about the update process for Ice Cream Sandwich. He talked about how Sony spends a lot of time contributing to the AOSP, thus the reason for their early update schedule. He also talked about how different Gingerbread and Honeycomb are from ICS “under the hood” which may lead to a more lengthy update process from OEMs this time around.

But then he finished off with a comment that I’m sure will not make you all that happy, but one you sort of figured to be the case at this point. He said that the part of this all that “blows” his mind, is the fact that “some variants of the Google-engineered flagship devices” (read: Nexus devices) still have not received ICS or are stuck on older versions “because of delays introduced by operator approvals.” Can you guess who he is talking about? 

He may not have called out Verizon specifically, but since the Galaxy Nexus and XOOM 4G on their network are the only “Google-engineered flagship devices” not on ICS or that are running an older version of Android 4.0, I’m not sure who else he could be talking about.

Are we surprised at this news? At this point, not at all. We know that Verizon tests their devices more thoroughly than any other carrier, but with a Nexus and a developer tablet, we thought it would leave them with less worries and that the approval process would fly by. It’s tough to believe that any longer as we have gone almost 5 months without seeing a Galaxy Nexus update even though it has a list of critical bugs that we write about almost daily. The XOOM 4G which was the first Honeycomb tablet on the planet, is still stuck on Honeycomb, while WiFi tablet after WiFi tablet across the globe seems to have already been updated to Android 4.0.

The updates still come directly from Google for these devices, but that’s after they get them ready and then pass them off to Verizon for approval before being able to send them out OTA. Unfortunately for all of us, it looks like we will have to continue to wait for that approval.

Via:  Google+

  • jcorf

    I’m wishing I would have bought a GSM variant, but it’s not all that bad because I do have AOKP. 

  • Droid4

    Nail in the coffin.  I’m done with Verizon.  Moving to the One X on AT&T in a few weeks.

    • http://twitter.com/binglut9 Brian

      What you really need to do is buy an unlocked nexus from google and run it on att or T-Mobile you will get the fastest updates that way

    • Tim242

      Hahaha you’ll.be bit*hing a lot more soon.

  • I Use This For Spam Lolz

    Lol at all of the people didn’t get a nexus to root it and do things on their own . . . You should all own a razr

    • Spam Lolz

      +who . . .

  • AndroidUser00110001

    Didn’t we all know this would happen once some verizon software showed up on the GNex?

  • Rick

    This is one of the reasons why I left VZW and I really miss my Galaxy Nexus. But I am planning on buying a GSM Galaxy Nexus later this year.

    • AndroidUser00110001

      $400 bucks for an unlocked is not bad at all and works well with AT&T HSPA+, granted it is not LTE but you will just miss that when downloading large files…

  • dcdttu

    Verizon just doesn’t get it.

  • Bret

    I think Verizon is just trying to force people to leave. I don’t think they want my business anymore.

  • http://www.facebook.com/exceter Mondrian Hernandez

    There was one definite reason why I got the Nexus…… it’s a DEVELOPER’S device. Therefore, the moment I got this beast, it was unlocked, bootstrapped, recovery installed, and been flashing ROMs ever since… AND since the CM team has been super diligent about their updates, I’m running CM9 nightlies and already on 4.0.4. Verizon can suck donkey balls because the Android Dev community does a better job anyway!

    • Tim242

      ^This! AOKP for me though, more features.

  • jonny6pak

    I figured this might be the case when I bought the GNex, but I didn’t really care since I knew I would be using Dev roms and such.  However, this is annoying news.

  • Amenemhat1

    i though this was a 404 error page for a minute

  • bassman418

    Screw em. My phone was stock probably for about 2 weeks. Been on AOKP Since. Very happy. Awesome support. I even put it on my daughters HTC Dinc and works great.

  • tech247

    Thank God for leaks! Rocking 4.0.4 for a few months now! Screw you Big Red!!

  • Bubba

    blows…. iphone5 LTE here i come

    • Tim242

      1. It will be iPhone 6, or the new iPhone. 2. Carriers test iOS software as well. (Former att employee, current Sprint)

  • Dr_Buttballs

    Well duh.

  • GamerChica

    root is the way to go. Infinite amount of roms some pretty stable ones. Way better than having to wait on manufacturers and carriers IMO

    • Havoc70

      EXACTLY!, Screw Verizon ad their lame A$$ updates, Root and ROM is the only way to fly

  • InvaderDJ

    This is kind of confusing to me, couldn’t Google just host the code on their website? Even if the drivers for the CDMA/LTE radio are proprietary for instance couldn’t they just not update them and have the updated OS software online? 

    But it isn’t surprising. Verizon obviously doesn’t want a phone they don’t “control” on their network and the Nexus was a weird fluke. If it didn’t have the first 720p screen I’m not sure that they would have even brought it out.

    I’m running AOKP so this doesn’t practically affect me too much, but it is irritating. If I wasn’t stuck on contract on a family line I would have the $399 Nexus in a heartbeat.

    • jonny6pak

      I’m sure Verizon has things contractually locked down to where Google can’t release the builds without the Verizon approval.  Hence the dev community makes and releases official 4.0.4 builds.  But I hear ya, I’m in the same boat and I can’t exactly switch to another carrier.  I’m kind of wanting AT&T at this point though.

  • Bionicman

    go figure….not only did Verizon post record sales, they are getting the last laugh on their customers owning a GNex phone on their service. BUT its still pretty awesome that we have the ability to add custom roms without much fuss

  • http://twitter.com/jcardona1 Jose Cardona

    Wake up people! Locked bootloaders and extremely slow updates is a sales tactic for the uninformed masses. They are under no obligation to update your phone. The less updates you get, the more appealing all these new ‘modern’ phones will appear when you go into a Vzw store. People on these sites know better, but think about the general public. They have no idea they can unlock their bootloaders, root their phone and update the OS/firmware themselves, so they just buy a new phone by adding another line on their plan. I know people that have done this, simply because they don’t know any better.

    • http://twitter.com/ezbbycame2play E. Echols

      But the carrier makes money off your contract service, not through buying newer phones. It would be the manufacturers that want you to buy the latest. If anything Verizon should want to push the updates out faster to maintain customer satisfaction. Since they take a hit from subsidized prices.

  • YOURE GOOGLE, GROW SOME…

    i wish google would control their google products….

    • http://twitter.com/binglut9 Brian

      When you have a radio in a device there is no way around it…simply said there’s no way around the carriers

      • Lucas Monroe

        How does apple get around it?

        • Tim242

          They don’t. Carriers test iOS as well before release. (Former att , current Sprint employee)

        • nicotinic

          They have the iPhone that brings the potential of more customers, and the retention of current subscribers as leverage. Apple can sell that thing on any carrier and the carriers cannot try to bully them without consequences.
          Also since the iOS is closed and modification isn’t endorsed by Apple the carriers don’t have as much to worry about in regards to user mods.

        • BulletTooth_Tony

          Presumably – and I don’t know this, just throwing it out there – since Apple makes their own devices AND their own OS, chances are they license the Qualcomm CDMA source-code directly, so they can do the updates for their own radio in their own OS immediately.

  • ArrowCool

      Verizon will never see another “Nexus” device.  Partly because they have a superiority complex.  I think they truly believe they can do no wrong.  The unfortunate reality of this is that so many sheep will blindly keep giving Big Red their money without voicing their opinions that Verizon will continue to do whats best for their bottom line, and not for their customer base in general. 
      They may be the best carrier in the US in terms of wireless service, but they could give two shits about what Google or their customer wants.  

    • http://twitter.com/binglut9 Brian

      Yea were sheep because we want and need the best coverage

      • ArrowCool

         Perhaps I could have been a bit more clear.  People who tend to follow and stay up on the latest technology are not the sheep.  They are in fact, a vocal minority.  I would hazard to guess most people reading this site would fall into this category.
         
          The sheep I am referring to tend to be from an older generation, and will buy a phone on Verizon simply because they read in their Consumer Reports that Verizon has the best coverage.  They have money and don’t mind spending it.  They didn’t complain when Verizon nixed unlimited data and instituted tiered data, because they will never go over  2GB of usage. They are not the people that care about receiving regular updates, unlocking, rooting, OC’ing etc.  These are the people that Verizon is tailored to, and make up (insert random percentage here) of their customer base.

          Simply put, us folks out there that are into this kind of thing are so far off Verizon’s radar, and I’m sure Google sees that now, that we will never see another “dev” device on Verizon.

  • Chuck Bryant

    As an ex owner of a Blackberry Storm, I question the statement that “Verizon tests devices more thoroughly than any other carrier”.  Oh, maybe they do test it thoroughly, then when they find out it’s a POS they laugh and release it anyway.  There never was ONE SINGLE official OS for the Storm what wasn’t buggier than a flophouse mattress.

    • spickle

      nailed it! had the Storm & Storm2.

    • jonny6pak

      HA!!  I’m going to have to use “flophouse mattress” as part of my regular vocabulary.

    • chris125

       Amen. The Storm was a huge fail and had such long lines yet didn’t get anything for support that made the phone half usable.

    • Calculatorwatch

      Hahaha, I feel so bad for storm owners whenever I see them trying to use their phone. I think the sentence that should’ve been used is “Verizon tests devices more SLOWLY than any other carrier.”

  • shdowman

    Such the catch 22 with them.

    They offer hands down the best service of any carrier yet they charge the most, pump out crappy overpriced products, delay all updates on phones (they aren’t the only one’s).

    Take the good with the bad I suppose. Doesn’t mean we have to sit down and take it. Yet we do. Hence why they keep giving us less and less as consumers and keep charging more and more.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/IAFDHKYOIYSTEABG4GUQO2GP2U WA Bob

      Very annoying. You can’t loose their signal but you have to root to upgrade their hardware on a timely basis. I wish they were GSM so you could just go out and buy unlocked/ unbloated phones to use their network and avoid waiting on Verizon to get off their thumbs!  

      • chris125

         Agree. it would be much easier if they were gsm then I could import a phone and not worry about them messing with updates or specs.

  • NYAvsFan

    Unlocked, rooted, AOKP, Franco kernel; Verizon can kiss my grits! 

  • Chris G

    I’ve had it.

    Can anyone suggest a rom that is as pure vanilla as possible for my GNex?  

    • http://twitter.com/Tech_Jared Jared Fulgham

      You always have the option of Peter Alphonso’s Bugless Beast which is stock 4.0.4. I don’t have the GNex, but I ran his Gingerbread roms on my OG Droid and loved them. They said it couldn’t run GB, but Pete’s roms ran like champs.

      Edit: Here’s the link for you even. http://download.peteralfonso.com/

      • Chris G

        And I assume flashing a rom will wipe the device?

        Sorry.  Not flashed a rom in a couple years since I played with my OG for a weekend.

        • http://twitter.com/Tech_Jared Jared Fulgham

          Yeah, you typically should wipe, though If I were you I’d make a backup and then you could try flashing overtop of 4.0.2. Since 4.0.4 is just an incremental upgrade, it would likely flash over just fine without wiping your data. But like I said, make a backup first, just in case.

          • Chris G

            Thanks all.  I am unlocked from day one, and rooted shortly after.  Just haven’t done anything with it other than wireless tether as a back up system.

            I will see what i can get up to this weekend.  Especially since i am starting to have home screen lag for the first time on the GNex.

        • jonny6pak

          Note, if you haven’t unlocked your device yet, it’s going to wipe the phone as part of the process.  

          I back up my apps and data with Titanium Backup and I did a nandroid backup before installing any roms.  This way, when I wipe the system before an upgrade, I can restore everything with ease.  If I have trouble with restoring an individual app, Titanium can pull the app from the nandroid.  If things are completely eff’d, I can just restore the complete nandroid backup and try all over again.  But I’ve never had to start over.

    • r0lct

      I think Bugless Beast is as close to stock as possible and has a big enough user base to get support in the forums.

    • PC_Tool

      Adrenaline or mrbirdman released a stock 4.0.4.

      It’s not close to stock…it is stock.

      Check rootzwiki.  You may have to hunt a bit…not many folks who frequent rootzwiki are looking for stock.  ;)

      If you are not yet unlocked, there is a method out there for backing up your current apps and data. Google Wugfresh Galaxy nexus 1.3 toolkit. This will backup, unlock, root, and install CWM on your device.

      From that point, all you have to do is install the ROM and restore your apps.

    • David

      You can also check out the Verizon gnex section on XDA.

  • EvanTheGamer

    I know that the 4.0.4 update is available to download and be used on rooted Galaxy Nexus’, but I’ve been waiting for the OTA update to appear, but I’m about to wait no longer ’cause this is getting pretty f’n ridiculous.

    Question: For everyone that updated their G-Nex to the 4.0.4 update, have you had any issues? Not while installing it, but after it has been installed, and if you encountered any issues in the weeks that followed. 

    Also, it’s a straight up update, no need to wipe phone to install it, correct? Not like installing a ROM…

    Thanks!

    • r0lct

      No, in fact your phone will have less bugs and run better.

      When you unlock it you will have to wipe the phone including the internal sd card.

      • EvanTheGamer

        OH REALLY?! Damnit. That’s what I wanted to avoid. Thought that manually updating to 4.0.4 is just like the OTA update and wouldn’t require a wipe.

        Hmm…

        • r0lct

          Manually updating the os doesn’t require wiping, just the initial unlock.

          • EvanTheGamer

            Wait…my Galaxy Nexus is already unlocked. In fact…I unlocked/rooted it the day I got it. Does that mean when I manually update it to 4.0.4 I no longer have to wipe my phone?

          • r0lct

            You still do since you are switching Android versions.  However it won’t wipe your sd-card contents.  So you just need to backup any app data you need (like game saves).  I would just use titanium backup.

        • PC_Tool

           Wipe is necessary, but you don’t have to lose anything. 

          You can copy the stuff off of your “SDcard”, and Wugfresh’s tool will back up your apps/data.

    • spickle

      i don’t have any complaints after updating. just make a backup. you could always go back.

    • PC_Tool

      Google “Wugfresh Galaxy Nexus toolkit 1.3″

      Use it to backup, unlock, root and install CWM.

      From that point, all you have to do is grab a rom from rootzwiki (stock or otherwise), flash it, and restore your apps.

      Be sure to copy the contents of your “sdcard” (yuk-yuk) to your PC prior to this.

      • EvanTheGamer

        Thanks for the info! I’ll make a note of it for reference.

    • jonny6pak

      You’re going to have to wipe the phone when you unlock it.  Make a backup of everything.  I backed up all my apps and data in Titanium backup and I did a nandroid backup.  Having both was a huge help because I was having trouble restoring one of my apps and Titanium was able to pull what I needed from the nandroid backup.  I don’t know if those updates include the new radios.  The leaked radios are working amazingly well for me.

      • EvanTheGamer

        Shit…forgot to mention, my Galaxy Nexus is actually already unlocked/rooted. Did that the day I got it because I knew that one day I’d be installing a ROM, so got it out of the way.

        Which now begs the question…does that mean I don’t need to wipe my phone anymore in order to to manually update it to 4.0.4?

        • jonny6pak

          As long as you’re installing an update and not a rom, you should be ok.  I would wipe the cache though to be safe.  If you experience any odd behavior afterwards, you can always go and wipe everything after the fact.  Where are you getting the update from?  I can give it a look and offer my thoughts.  

          I could be wrong, but I don’t think the leaked OTA updates on the web are 4.0.4 build IMM76D.  Rather, they are the older 4.0.4 build IMM30B.  The older build should work fine, but you’ll want to upgrade again once the IMM76D version comes out (assuming I’m not wrong on this point).

  • achaf86

    I was at a verizon store here in northwest ohio yesterday and asked them when the nexus would get the update… the guy then told me that he hasn’t heard of the update, BUT this was the same guy who i talked to a few weeks ago about it and he told me it would get released the first week of may! 

  • Spoken Word™

    So basically the headline is a lie since he never specifically said that Verizon was holding back the update. And of course it should be mentioned that no one knows what issues may be causing Verizon to hold it back. Bit hey, what’s a little dose of fact when a sensational headline and rhetoric works gets more page hits….

    • Jeff Tycz

      If you call common sense a lie sure

  • http://twitter.com/rezeew Justin

    What can I do here to get my phone to a stock ICS that will get updates from google without verizon’s delay? Is that possible? 

  • EC8CH

    No Prob Jean-B.

    Unlockedbootloader + AOKP = Whateva…. Whateva… VZW. We do what we want.

  • mz

    Just root, and you’ll never have to worry.  Been running AOKP Milestone 4 since it came out and LeanKernel with little to no problems at all.  I’ll wait till the next AOKP Milestone to flash again!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000106808261 Keith Sumner

      Absolutely, that’s the advantage of owning a Nexus device, if you didn’t buy one for that reason you’re missing out on it’s prime feature/benefit.

    • EC8CH

      I flashed 32 just to get rid of the keyboard lag in the Chrome Omnibar and to get 
      AVRCP 1.3 Bluetooth Support.

      Otherwise I was waiting for the next milestone as well.

      • realfoxm

        I’m on 32 also. Why didn’t you flash 34?

        • EC8CH

          32 was first to ad AVRCP 1.3 and I just haven’t updated since.  Now that you mention it though I looked it up and they added support for more music players in 33, so maybe I should get up to date.  Pandora didn’t send metadata over bluetooth in 32 which was disappointing to me, maybe it will work in the newer builds.

  • unwillingorunable

    The delay is probably because Vz is trying to figure out how to charge $30 to upgrade the OS.

    • Just_Some_Nobody

      This is exactly the problem. It is not in Verizon’s financial interests to expedite the process. They don’t benefit monetarily so they make it a low priority.

      • http://www.scaryuncledevin.com/ Devin Rodriguez

        Yes but it COULD be in their financial interests. Android nerds like us enjoy having a phone that receives timely updates, especially straight from Google itself. Verizon’s failure to push out this latest update just makes potential buyers shy away.

        • BulletTooth_Tony

          … or, the failure to push the update may make current subscribers leave.  ;-)

          • Jarren

            Which I will be doing as soon as my contract ends..

          • http://twitter.com/EricErk Eric

            Republic wireless is sounding better and better Only $20 For everything that i’m paying $50+ For, 

          • Marsg

            Verizon sucks >.> at&t here i come 

          • T4rd

            Lol, you’re ditching Verizon to go to the unanimously worst carrier in the US.  Nice. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7WGJLO7DTFLNC3JPVEJL6EMLXU Mike

             Go right ahead.  Enjoy the ETF you’ll have to give the death star in order to come crawling back.

          • Andrewborges144

            Who cares what someone else does. Does it really get your panties in a twist that much to write about it? If someone wants to ditch Verizon for another carrier then what does that really matter? You people are weirdos when it comes to defending a stupid cell phone carrier and will defend them even knowing how bad they’ve mangled the best device on the network AKA nexus. I think someone needs to get off the computer and go out in the sun for a while…..

        • http://www.facebook.com/flsocialist Steve Sears

          I personally am on my last Vz device. I have the Nexus, want the upgrade. But I have a xoom that I got on day one. How is it that it’s still sitting on Honeycomb? If I had waited and paid less for a Wifi, I would have it. Alas, while I’m stuck paying for the data plan, I went out and got the Transformer Prime. And it’s gotten more updates in the couple months I’ve had it than my Xoom has in the past year + Vz fail, and for this, I’m gone

          (BTW, paid full price for the GNex so I’m even a bit more tweeked about the piss poor support and the piss poor network that keeps going down and the piss poor engineering that is the cause of so many 3G to 4G problems. I reboot it 3 or 4 times a day just to get Data to come back up when I need it)

          • Taglogical

             I feel ya! Three NEXI later and I’m back on the Bionic; love the Bionic but I’m shopping other carriers for my next purchase.

      • Tim_Horton

        Exactly, what does it do besides cause possible bugs and network issues for an already established platform?  very little for them.  

      • HintonLewis25

        what James implied I am shocked that any body able to profit $7130 in a few weeks on the computer. did you look at this website >>> http://toearnusd.weebly.com

    • angermeans

      Moron

  • Brandon Sikes

    The unlock and root process is fairly simple at this point, and with so many video tutorials out there anyone should be able to do it. So don’t know why anyone wouldn’t root and run custom ROM on 4.0.3 or 4.0.4

  • Booboolala2000

    Yeah. Ive decided to dump verizon in 14 mos and switch to AT&T. Considering my XOOM update is ready and there is no excuse that my GNEX is being held up this long. Gave them the benefit of the doubt.

    • Cam

       If I wasn’t grandfathered in to Unlimited Data on VZW, or AT&T still offered it, I would be right there with you.

  • Sqube

    So… what’s the point in getting a Nexus device if you’re on VZW? You might as well get any device that can be rooted and go handle your own business.

    • FSRBIKER

      Its still a pure Google device, unlocking/rooting is extremely simple and Roms are built direct from Google source. This makes the developers job of creating up to date roms alot faster as they aren’t dealing with a hacked system to begin with.

      • PC_Tool

         ^This.

        The only unlocked devices supported by the AOSP tree are Nexus devices.

        Beyond that, you are looking at, in terms of compatibility/stability:

        Roms build from source that are equal to the release you could currently get via OTA (Meaning the binary blobs and drivers are available from the manufacturer…but you’re stuck at the last OTA version of Android your carrier released)

        Roms ported from other devices using binaries not necessarily intended for your device or the release version used.  These can be a higher version that what has been OTA’d to your device, but tend to have the most niggling issues (messaging not working, poor hand-offs, etc).

      • http://www.facebook.com/amoeller123 Alex Moeller

        I agree with that. I bought this phone outright after just getting a Bionic. Sold my Bionic for the GNex. Its a shame about the upgrade process however I bought this phone for the custom roms not for stock. I unlocked and rooted my GNex literally seconds after I purchased it. AOSP makes this phone for me.

    • InvaderDJ

      You’re kind of right. Basically the only advantages to the Nexus are the community and the ease of rooting. It’s really too bad, Verizon killed what could have been an excellent phone. It’s still great, but it will always have a stain on it.

  • PuzzleShot

    Someone just complain to the Better Business Bureau about how their lengthy and inefficient update approval process is a detriment to customer satisfaction when it leaves users on software that can’t get a signal and crashes beyond usability. I won’t do this though because I still have my Droid X and don’t own a Galaxy Nexus, so it would be a bit disingenuous.

    • Anonymous

      Let’s form a petition online. Where can we do it?

  • kixofmyg0t

    BLAME MOTOROLA! 

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Not going to lie, I laughed at this.

    • Butters619

      This is why Moto should get out of bed with Verizon.  They take all this heat constantly and I feel a lot of it is Verizon’s fault. (although not all…cough bionic)

    • Tim_Horton

      I am shocked that hasn’t come up yet. Or how about someone claiming the “my verizon” app is to blame for this delay?  ha!

      • kixofmyg0t

        Oh but dont you see? OBVIOUSLY its the “most horrible screen since the original game boy” combined with Motorola’s locked bootloaders thats to blame.

        Once again Moto has screwed Nexus owners.

        IM NEVER BUYING MOTO AGAIN!

        NOT EVEN ONCE!

        YOU WOULDNT DOWNLOAD A CAR WOULD YOU? 

        KONY 2012!

        • Tim_Horton

          haha, only thing missing is some crap about how they aren’t allowed to make more than 1 version of the device at a time. 

          So by that logic, if they weren’t testing the pink and white razrs and the maxx, they could have had the 4.0.4 update done for the nexus, but again – clearly Moto to blame.  

          • kixofmyg0t

            1 version of a device? No no no its because they released more than 1 device in 2 YEARS. 

        • LiterofCola

          Lmao @ “most horrible screen since the original gameboy.”

          • kixofmyg0t

            Seriously. The iNexus fanboys make it sound like Moto took a screen directly out of a Game Boy Color and used it. Yes the Galaxy Nexus has a better screen but jesus tap dancing christ people thats not THAT bad. 

            Oh and don’t forget the bezels. The RAZR actually has 4 Xyboards surrounding its screen in case you didn’t know.

          • LiterofCola

            Da BEZELLLZZ!!!!

    • LiterofCola

      lmao!

  • Jared

    Google’s quality control is honestly quite bad. Frenchie obviously doesn’t get the importance of it.

  • http://twitter.com/canoy07 Eric Gene Canoy

    can we twitter bomb @verizonwireless and @VZWsupport about this?

    • http://twitter.com/strifejester Justin Ellenbecker

      You can do whatever you want it will probably change nothing

      • http://www.facebook.com/poohw Pooh Williamson

        you must be fun at parties.

        • http://twitter.com/strifejester Justin Ellenbecker

          Just being honest, plus we don’t even know if the build was sent to VZW yet.  Maybe Google hasn’t sent them anything because they feel it’s too big of a headache.  If he is going to call anyone out maybe they should let people know when the build was sent for approval.  JBQ has said many times he is not involved in those parts of it and focuses more on pure AOSP.  Verizon might be the delay but if Google doesn’t hand them the build so they can approve it then it is more Google’s fault than it is VZW.

          • jonny6pak

            That assumes this is info Google can release.  Who knows, Verizon may have submission dates under confidentiality terms.  The easiest thing we can assume is that Verizon has the build since 4.0.4 is available and it can run on the Verizon GNex.  Yes, it’s an assumption, but it’s a logical conclusion one can draw.

          • AndroidUser00110001

            Google has updated the source to 4.0.4, has a few prop files hosted on their servers that are needed to do a build for the LTE GNex, they have released 4.0.4 for all other devices but for the LTE GNex…where do you think the problem lies? Does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

            Verizon has the build…

          • Liderc

            You should delete your account.
            Seriously. 

  • http://www.thinkgeeks4u.com Hiral Patel

    Sadly not a thing we can do about it!!! – Do it, Just Do it, Do it – Come get some

  • Ryan Powell

    At this point I need to give up all hope and root my GNex. Where should I start?

    • John

      Damn right! Start by unlocking, since it’ll wipe EVERYTHING (even “sd card” partition), then flash the root zips. Use this toolkit to guide you through it all:

      http://www.wugfresh.com/dev/gnex-root-toolkit/ 

      Then flash AOKP & wonder why the hell you didn’t do this earlier ;)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJGNGFI62VA6CSFRK3TPCRLFQU John Galt

         Don’t use the toolkit.  Learn how do to it right using adb. 

        • John

          Wow really? You’re going to suggest this to someone who is new to rooting? I agree with you man but not to start off.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJGNGFI62VA6CSFRK3TPCRLFQU John Galt

             There’s a detailed guide to the right of his screen for him to follow. How do you think rooting got started in the first place?  Someone sat down and did it by plugging in commands into a shell.  I get that the toolkit makes it easier, but the user of the toolkit doesn’t know anything about the processes used to get him there.  Say he wants to just unroot for some reason.  He’s going to have to read a ton of .bat files to figure out how and what the writer of the rootkit did so he can undo it.  It’s just better form for him to learn the way to do it properly, so he understands what he’s doing. You’re entitled to your own opinion though, as am I.

          • Ryan Powell

            Thanks! I don’t know how I missed that guide on the right before. I think I assumed it was just a basic guide you’d find with the device itself. 

          • mustbepbs

            It’s really not that difficult. If you can read, you can root/unlock. It’s dead simple and they create tools that literally do all the work for you.

          • John

            I sort of agree. If you’re a complete newbie to this, which I’m not sure if he is or not(or maybe he doesn’t care to know), then obviously the toolkit is the right path to take

          • Josh Groff

            I started off with ADB, it’s not hard if you are reading a how to guide or are familiar with command line interfaces.

          • John

            True

          • Ryan Powell

            I don’t mind taking a harder approach (or a little more risky) if its the best approach. My main hesitation has been the confusion of all the options out there. I hate the idea of choosing the wrong one.

          • http://twitter.com/paedz718 Paul D

            I agree w/ John Galt, do it thru adb so you actually learn something. As an android noob when I first got my Nexus, I learned a lot that way

          • Darkit24

            Yes. I’m was new to ADB and I did everything through ADB. It was retardedly easy.  

        • Guest

          Most of us don’t want to get that nerdy.

      • Ryan Powell

        I’m sure I’ll be extremely happy when I do it. I just don’t have the patience for this any more. Having a “nexus” device and having to wait is one thing but not having any answers or official statements from either partner is maddening.

        • MKader17

          Out of curiosity, does your G-Nex not live up to your expectations in any way that could be fixed by a software update?

          • Ryan Powell

            I love my GNex. It didn’t upset me when I bought my GNex and found out Verizon had a couple apps installed on the device because I was easily able to hide those. Then I couldn’t install Google Wallet. Thankfully that problem was fixed with the browser version of the market trickery. But now I have to wait months for an update because Verizon wants to take their time or work real hard to add their own bloat in. I love Google. I tolerate Verizon. I’m done tolerating Verizon in this situation. I want the random restarts to go away and 4.0.4 could bring that to the table. Beyond that fix I’m not in desperate need to unlock the phone. This is just the final push to get me to do it. I also love to customize my experience so I think that will also be a big benefit for me. 

          • MKader17

            Gotcha, sorry that you are having random reboots. I hope it fixes it for you.

    • http://twitter.com/justinhaglund Justin Haglund

      Give Liquid a go (find it at RootzWiki). Frequent updates, excellent battery life, very stable, highly customizable.

      • mustbepbs

        Liquid sucks and the developer is a douche. ‘Nuff said.

        • http://twitter.com/justinhaglund Justin Haglund

          You must be joking. My phone has never been more rock solid.

        • PC_Tool

          Some of us don’t base our opinion of a ROM on the drama surrounding it or it’s authors.

          • mustbepbs

            You should. You have to trust and like who puts software on your device. Otherwise you’re just opening yourself to trouble.

          • PC_Tool

            I am putting the software on my device. I trust and like myself just fine.

            Just because some primadonnas want to pretend they’re school-girls and get all “drama” doesn’t mean it has to affect me or what roms I use.

          • mustbepbs

            You’re putting software that someone else compiled on your device. So if you don’t trust said person, flashing their ROM gives them a lot of power that you don’t want them to have. That’s all. No drama, no primadonna, no problah. :>

          • PC_Tool

            All one has to do, if they are at all concerned, is compare code.

            But ya know what? I get it. You hate ‘em and you apparently want the world to know it. I’m happy for you. Best of luck with that.

            Seems I got suckered into your drama. I’ll extricate myself and leave you to it.

    • http://twitter.com/mnkyhead mnkyhead

      see the root section above. 

    • MKader17

      What do you mean “give up all hope”. Rooting is the path to enlightenment and therefore the path to “gaining all hope” man.

      • Ryan Powell

        Hahaha. Was referencing the hope of getting an update from Verizon/Google. But yes you are right… let me take this path to enlightenment.

    • PC_Tool

       Google “Wugfresh Galaxy Nexus toolkit 1.3″

      Use it to backup, unlock, root and install CWM.

      From that point, all you have to do is grab a rom from rootzwiki (stock or otherwise), flash it, and restore your apps.

  • hiimdh

    i knew that nexus on verizon was too good to be true.

    • http://peoplewho.tumblr.com wireless G

      Looks like they made a deal with the Devil, and left the Devil in control of the update cycle.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503147811 Roberto Taylor

      Google devices (Nexus) should be updated directly from Google and not have to wait on Verizon. There’s a reason we all paid a premium for this phone.

      • mons

        We didn’t pay any more than people paid for the Razr or Rezound.

        • http://www.scaryuncledevin.com/ Devin Rodriguez

          Sure we did: No microSD card.

          • chris125

             so you got the same amount of storage for the same price yet you paid more? Great math…

          • http://www.scaryuncledevin.com/ Devin Rodriguez

            Good job on following a joke. The point is that while they had the same storage up front, the microSD can be upgraded to a much larger size while I am still at 32GB.

          • Flyinion

            You forgot one point though, you have to pay extra for the bigger microSD card.

          • http://www.scaryuncledevin.com/ Devin Rodriguez

            This is true, but they still have that option.

          • Tim_Horton

            Sounds like you made a bad choice then if you wanted more than 32gb or timely Android updates.  

            I’ll laugh if the RAZR gets ICS 4.0.4 before the SGN does.  

          • LiterofCola

            Just might actually happen

          • LionStone

            Or maybe my Thunderbolt may get it sooner!! The race is on! :-)

          • Jacob121791

            LOL

          • michael arazan

            I Think Verizon’s Android software testing department is just one guy sitting there playing on an iphone

          • Gripplies

            I really believe that. have you been in a Verizon store lately? they greet you with an iPad in hand. If its Droid business your in there for a while. I went to get an Otterbox and a bluetooth for my Gnex…45mins the guy after me got an iPhone charger…10mins (not a race issue either)

          • Marsg

            seems very likely, the turtle always wins the race >.> 

          • http://www.scaryuncledevin.com/ Devin Rodriguez

            I haven’t cared about the OTA updates since I started flashing other ROMs onto my phone. As for the storage, I never complained, I made a joke that that was the “price” we paid to have a phone that was supported by Google. I’m plenty happy with my current storage and with all the cloud storage options available I doubt I’ll have any problems with space.

          • Swankieltd

            If you need more than 32GB on your phone then you’re part of a niche market. Not everyone needs that much.

          • angermeans

            There are more advantages to having flash memory rather than an SD card. Google has been doing this on all of their devices. I may not know the full reason, but it is much like having a SSD in a laptop compared to a regular HD. It is a lot faster. You may have the same, but it is faster. You and everyone else knew the Galaxy Nexus lacked a SD card slot why did you buy it if it is that big of a loss for you? Just like every owner of the Nexus S also made the same decision although they got stuck with 16GB. 

            For me ever since Google Music I have not needed even the memory I have. I dont watch videos on my phone if I want to watch something I am on my iPad or Macbook Pro. I cannot imagine ever having applications take up that space, and for all other things like docs and such I am using Dropbox and Evernote. What could you possibly need in more memory than 32gb. Not that people dont have different needs than I do. I am just asking. 

          • http://www.scaryuncledevin.com/ Devin Rodriguez

            Apparently my tone conveyed that I was complaining when I was in fact making a joke, I have no problems with my storage.

          • islandak

            That’s all well and good. But if you end up in a boot loop of death and need to factory reset your “storage” data gets wiped too. This is not the case with a removable card.

      • mjmedstarved

        EXACTLY!!!!!

        VERIZON, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Rustedfenders

          NO. VERIZON NEEDS TO READ DL MORE OFTEN, IF AT ALL.

      • http://Twitter.com/ContestsAccount bigrob60

        This ^    Just like iphone updates come straight from Apple.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Lawrence/1296216206 Ryan Lawrence

        Well said. This is BS. 

      • Apostrafee

        If you got the Nexus to receive minor updates you bought the wrong phone…I paid more for the Nexus because I can unlock and root easily and have far more freedom then any other device….too much whining on these threads about an update that probably won’t give you much more

        • BulletTooth_Tony

          Ok… except because it’s got a CDMA base, and CDMA source code is closed source and owned by Qualcomm, by rooting you’re just introducing far more problems – with the radio especially.  Good idea.  Let’s all root and make our phone operate as a phone worse, just so we can have a more up to date OS version… genius.

          • Apostrafee

            I haven’t had any problems at all after rooting and running AOKP…and I could care less about an tiny little update now…my reception is fine and my phone is running smooth as ever so perhaps I am a genius??

          • https://plus.google.com/114483312559013915960/ Timoh

            We have updated radios as well, they have been available since 4.0.4 was leaked.

          • Torture2010

            Where can you find that zip as that can help some of these people?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FK7THEOSHI4UJDSKNNQAX7CVA yahoo-4FK7THEOSHI4UJDSKNNQAX7CVA

            Lol compared to you he is. Most Roms have updated radios and depending on location/phone, reception can improve after flashing 4.0.4 radios. At worst it will stay the same. The drawbacks are risking the warranty, and intimidation for those that haven’t rooted before. In terms of the phone itself it is win win.

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            1 way audio issue still exists in those leaked 4.0.4 roms. Better luck next time.

          • Andrewborges144

            you’re a complete moron obviously. people don’t root to make their phones “worse”. if this was truly the outcome of rooting then why would there be a decent sized community for it? you’re a weirdo dude who cares what others do with their phones.

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            You’re right. They don’t do it to make it worse. That’s just the end result. The leaked 4.0.4 radios are worse than stock 4.0.2 radios. Get over yourself.

        • Levi

          My ReZound begs to differ.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FK7THEOSHI4UJDSKNNQAX7CVA yahoo-4FK7THEOSHI4UJDSKNNQAX7CVA

            Your Rezound has a lot less developer support than the Nexus, though I do commend HTC for unlocking it. Try comparing the rootzwiki forums between the 2 phones. It’s like comparing an armada to a rowboat.

          • Levi

            lol i dont use rootzwiki i use xda

      • GazaIan

        Sadly the RIL has to be updated for the new Android version, and on Verizon it’s proprietary. You have to wait on Verizon, you really have no choice. That’s why I hate  em.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1532400060 Logan Jinks

      We should take this to twitter

      “Where is our update @VZWSupport? #Nexus owners are tired of waiting!”

  • Dan

    Verizon Sucks.  Hard.  

  • Greg Morgan

    Not surprised. I wonder if Google knew Verizon would handler the Gnex like this, whether they’d still would’ve gave it to them…?

  • http://twitter.com/strifejester Justin Ellenbecker

    If Verizon test so effin much how did the Galaxy nexus get released in the first place this thing was the biggest POS ever on stock 4.0.2.

    • MKader17

      Maybe they tested on the ones that are of the same build as the majority of Nexus owners. You know, the ones that still have not had a problem…

      • http://twitter.com/strifejester Justin Ellenbecker

        You know that is the majority how exactly?

        • http://twitter.com/jdhas jdhas

          You know it isn’t how exactly?

          See how this is going to end.  Put down the mouse and go get some fresh air.

          • PC_Tool

             DEATH FIRST!!

        • MKader17

          Let me start off with a little parallel:
          When the Transformer Prime (TFP) released the internet (and XDA) was in a craze of angry people with Transformer Primes with many problems. XDA did a survey and the majority of TFP owners on XDA were not having problems despite the fact that the forum was littered with horror stories. In addition an Asus representative released a bit of information stating that many of the people claiming to have had multiple problems and who had exchanged 2+ Primes had there primes check out to be limited to only one problem or there was no record of them buying/exchanging multiple primes.

          Using a bit of inductive reasoning, I can look at the internet and XDA’s Galaxy Nexus forums and I see very little concerns being voiced for all the problems I hear. Also, I only see of few people on DL who make constant snarky comments about how the Nexus sucks. In addition, a good friend of mine is an employee of Verizon and ditched his iPhone for the Nexus because he has seen very few customers have problems. He has told me that Android phones do average much higher return rates than iPhones but he has not said anything to me about the return rate on Nexus’ being higher or lower. Again I am reasoning that no news is good news in this situation.

          So, I do not know with 100% certainty where the majority lies, but I feel that the previous evidence supports a VERY strong case that, in fact, the majority experiences little to no problems with their Galaxy Nexus.

          • Tim_Horton

            I would agree with you.  For me the one issue I had and continue to have is “strange” network signal levels.  It seems way more fussy than anything else and not on a good way.  Also had a few weird phonecall quality issues, and the ‘random android lag’ that was cured by a reboot.  Otherwise it was nice to have a phone with 80+ days of uptime and decent usability.  

            The one thing that got to me was having a nice big solid screen like that with a nice design to it, and being surrounded by crappy feeling lame old-skool plastic. That annoyed me, I dont care how light it was.  

            ..and I no longer own mine, moved to razr maxx due to the help of a good friend that wanted a SGN. 

          • Zakalwe79

            My first GNex had absolutely no signal problems and ran great on Apex ROM. Unfortunately the charging port went bad and I just got my replacement this week. My “like new” replacement has crazy random signal problems running the same rom. I think it’s the reason it got returned in the first place.

    • Bnorth777

      Stock was 4.01, 4.02 was installed after activation.

    • BulletTooth_Tony

      I saw this on another blog… but it needs to be said… “If Verizon tests their devices so thoroughly….. please explain the Blackberry Storm that I purchased a few years ago.  It never received ONE SINGLE UPDATE.”

      …. he has a very astute point.  Though it dwarfs this issue.

    • Trueblue711

      I ask the same thing about their Motorola phones.

  • John
  • edaddy

    So has Google sent 4.0.4 or 4.0.5 to Verizon for approval yet??????

    • http://twitter.com/AthoraX athorax

      Google doesn’t send anything to verizon. They host AOSP, it is verizon’s (very easy) job to go and add their bloat to it and then distribute it.

      • http://twitter.com/strifejester Justin Ellenbecker

        Actually that is not the case because the update comes from Google which means Google has to add the required bloat which is probably the true hold up.  Verizon just gives a thumbs up or thumbs down to it.  The phone never tries to look at anything from Verizon for the updates and they come direct from the Google mirror.  Also AOSP does not have the GApps.  Since this is a Nexus Google adds those as well.

  • bakdroid

    Verizon was….is….and always will be the problem.

    • Chris Savard

      Big Red: The source of AND solution to all your problems!

  • http://twitter.com/gamenahd Will P

    LOL VERIZON

  • D4niel

    “Verizon is Holding Back Your Galaxy Nexus 4.0.4 Update”

    If that’s true, then why hasn’t my wife received it on her unlocked HSPA version of the Galaxy Nexus?

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      That’s weird. Mine had the update weeks ago. :(

      • D4niel

        Mine has it, too. But it seemed that they had stopped rolling it out to fix a few issues. They rolled out an updated 4.0.4 build last weekend, which did improve some data connectivity issues for me, but I don’t know how long they’re going to wait before re-starting upgrades for phones still on 4.0.2, like my wife’s.

        My point was that not even all of the unlocked, GSM Galaxy Nexuses are able to get 4.0.4 as of right now. So it doesn’t seem fair to be blaming Verizon for their Galaxy Nexus not getting it yet, especially since that’s NOT what JBQ even wrote.

        • EvanJ2462

          i believe they stopped the roll out because of the signal issue. i was on 4.0.2. and i just got my 4.0.4 update yesterday and it came with the new build.

          the same goes for my friend. he just got his this morning, same situation as me. both are kayju also.

  • muffnman

    Sadly, I gave up on waiting.  Running Gummy 1.0.1 now.

    • http://twitter.com/kejar31 Justin Rogers

      You sir have good taste ;)

    • John

      Ya know.. I tried gummy last week (1.0.1). I had to go back to AOKP. Although it had VERY similar customization as AOKP, I had lots of random errors + issues when enabling a select few. I hope it gets better in the future.

      • imronburgundy

        It’s creator is right above you.

        • Guest

          *its

          • John

            ;)

        • John

          Ya I saw. It’s cool. My buddy tried w/ same device (proper wiping blah blah) & experienced same inconsistency with enabling some tweaks. No worries. I didn’t go bitch & moan. I just went back to AOKP for the time being. I’ll check it out in the near future again :)

      • http://twitter.com/paedz718 Paul D

         AOKP is my go to ROM

    • docmars

      Same. And it’s a stellar ROM for sure!

    • kixofmyg0t

      I love Gummy!

    • RWW

      Same here.  Screw Verizon and their silly update schedule.  I got a Nexus so I could decide that for myself.

      I LOVE my Gummy, but I’ve been struggling since somewhere around 0.8x or 0.90 with the stock browser constantly locking up and force closing.  I can use Chrome just fine, but then you don’t get the awesome Quick Controls.  I tried ICS Brower+ and it locks up too.Try this with Gummy and stock browser: turn on full screen, quick controls, and loading tabs in the background.  Then come to Droid-Life and scroll through the articles.  Select a few to load as background tabs (long press the link, then select Open In New Tab).  By the time you get 2-4 tabs open, everything locks up.  It seems especially bad on DL’s site for some reason.  It never used to happen.  It doesn’t happen with Chome.   GRRR..  this is my only complaint w/Gummy!   I tried clearing all data and cache.. even did a factory reset and reinstall of Gummy.. still have the problem.  Am I the only one??

      • muffnman

         nah, you’re not the only one.  I made the switch to chrome for this very reason.  Send a log to the gummy team.