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		<title>By: Tony Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-2202097</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True, While I don&#039;t mind the manufacturer logo or name on my car, it irritates me when I see a dealership who pops one of their stick on dealer name plates or license plate covers. At least the cover I can toss out. The sticker name plates are messy so I just avoid those dealers. 


We should also realize the carrier logo placement is indeed a form of marketing for the carrier and the result to us is a handset that might cost more if it had nothing on it because the carrier has to spend on more expensive forms of marketing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, While I don&#8217;t mind the manufacturer logo or name on my car, it irritates me when I see a dealership who pops one of their stick on dealer name plates or license plate covers. At least the cover I can toss out. The sticker name plates are messy so I just avoid those dealers. </p>
<p>We should also realize the carrier logo placement is indeed a form of marketing for the carrier and the result to us is a handset that might cost more if it had nothing on it because the carrier has to spend on more expensive forms of marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-2202075</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on their cars  and don&#039;t complain about logos and the name of the manufacturer. We spend a few hundred on a mobile handset and some of us are whining about a VZW logo?! It&#039;s called branding for a reason. Right now VZW has the largest and (overall) fastest 4G/LTE network in the United States. It&#039;s also not the cheapest. I&#039;m OK with people knowing I can afford to use their superior wireless services....event if they don&#039;t know what the heck I&#039;m using (if not an iPhone).  By the way, I have an HTC Rezound.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on their cars  and don&#8217;t complain about logos and the name of the manufacturer. We spend a few hundred on a mobile handset and some of us are whining about a VZW logo?! It&#8217;s called branding for a reason. Right now VZW has the largest and (overall) fastest 4G/LTE network in the United States. It&#8217;s also not the cheapest. I&#8217;m OK with people knowing I can afford to use their superior wireless services&#8230;.event if they don&#8217;t know what the heck I&#8217;m using (if not an iPhone).  By the way, I have an HTC Rezound.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-2202017</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;
Most developers I know don&#039;t think fragmentation is all that big of deal.&quot;
Especially since, even in the iOS world, there are apps that won&#039;t work on all versions of the iPhone. Nature of the industry. There are still likely millions of analog TVs being used around the world and in many  areas, they won&#039;t work without a digital converter. Is that fragmentation? Maybe but it&#039;s also evolution...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;<br />
Most developers I know don&#8217;t think fragmentation is all that big of deal.&#8221;<br />
Especially since, even in the iOS world, there are apps that won&#8217;t work on all versions of the iPhone. Nature of the industry. There are still likely millions of analog TVs being used around the world and in many  areas, they won&#8217;t work without a digital converter. Is that fragmentation? Maybe but it&#8217;s also evolution&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-2201930</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if there is an agreement between Google and carriers to limit their right to issue a &quot;vanilla&quot; version of Android for handsets after they are released with the version with manufacturer overlays and bloatware. Wouldn&#039;t it be great to have the freedom to take your new handset, go to a Google website and download a compatible version of Android and not have to worry about your warranty being terminated? (It&#039;s nice to dream...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is an agreement between Google and carriers to limit their right to issue a &#8220;vanilla&#8221; version of Android for handsets after they are released with the version with manufacturer overlays and bloatware. Wouldn&#8217;t it be great to have the freedom to take your new handset, go to a Google website and download a compatible version of Android and not have to worry about your warranty being terminated? (It&#8217;s nice to dream&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-2201903</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points! By the way, I don&#039;t mind having a Verizon logo on my handset because if I ever misplace it, at least anyone who picks it up (and is very honest) can call VZW or take it to a Verizon store and drop it off so they can call me to get my handset..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points! By the way, I don&#8217;t mind having a Verizon logo on my handset because if I ever misplace it, at least anyone who picks it up (and is very honest) can call VZW or take it to a Verizon store and drop it off so they can call me to get my handset..</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-2201899</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True. Especially if you have Android 4.0 or higher. For those who stress out about bloatware, you can go into Settings/Apps then the All tab. There, you can find bloatware and disable many of the apps you will never use. What you disable is up to you (make sure you don&#039;t disable system apps). While bloatware is still not removable from a stock device, at least disabling it will remove it from memory and speed up the performance of your handset! Good luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. Especially if you have Android 4.0 or higher. For those who stress out about bloatware, you can go into Settings/Apps then the All tab. There, you can find bloatware and disable many of the apps you will never use. What you disable is up to you (make sure you don&#8217;t disable system apps). While bloatware is still not removable from a stock device, at least disabling it will remove it from memory and speed up the performance of your handset! Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-2201896</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was a time when Android needed manufacturer &quot;skins&quot; to enhance the functionality of Android. Google apparently has introduced developer talent into the mix and recent released of stock Android are elegant, attractive, and highly functional. If not for Nexus handsets, we might not know this. I believe Nexus handsets serve many purposes:
- A tool for developers (Although any handset you can root can prodvide this)
- A way for the non-technical consumer to see how good stock Android can be
- A way for Google to give everyone another way to compare Android handsets to iPhones.
- I way for purists to get their Android OS updates sooner (although recently that&#039;s becoming less realistic).


We can only guess what Google execs are planning for the near future. I would be shocked if they don&#039;t take advantage of their ownership of Motorola Mobility to generate the first MotoNexus handset. I don&#039;t know the numbers but I can&#039;t imagine that HTC and Samsung have generated huge profits from the sale of Nexus handsets. Perhaps having Motorola Mobility manufacture a Nexus handset can relieve other manufacturers from this product line so they can focus on building high-quality handsets and their OS overlays. On that note, the better stock Android gets, I hope that manufacturers will design overlays that take less storage space and memory. Focus on your hardware and we&#039;ll all be better off. What do you guys think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a time when Android needed manufacturer &#8220;skins&#8221; to enhance the functionality of Android. Google apparently has introduced developer talent into the mix and recent released of stock Android are elegant, attractive, and highly functional. If not for Nexus handsets, we might not know this. I believe Nexus handsets serve many purposes:<br />
- A tool for developers (Although any handset you can root can prodvide this)<br />
- A way for the non-technical consumer to see how good stock Android can be<br />
- A way for Google to give everyone another way to compare Android handsets to iPhones.<br />
- I way for purists to get their Android OS updates sooner (although recently that&#8217;s becoming less realistic).</p>
<p>We can only guess what Google execs are planning for the near future. I would be shocked if they don&#8217;t take advantage of their ownership of Motorola Mobility to generate the first MotoNexus handset. I don&#8217;t know the numbers but I can&#8217;t imagine that HTC and Samsung have generated huge profits from the sale of Nexus handsets. Perhaps having Motorola Mobility manufacture a Nexus handset can relieve other manufacturers from this product line so they can focus on building high-quality handsets and their OS overlays. On that note, the better stock Android gets, I hope that manufacturers will design overlays that take less storage space and memory. Focus on your hardware and we&#8217;ll all be better off. What do you guys think?</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Madison</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-1259906</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the Appstore apps are beyond horrible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the Appstore apps are beyond horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Prime7</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-3/#comment-1258408</link>
		<dc:creator>Prime7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baby steps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baby steps.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-3/#comment-1257316</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Google can start rejecting any Android device with Google Apps that 
wants to run on Verizon’s network. Verizon needs Android to be relevant,
 not the other way around.&quot;

Perfectly written!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Google can start rejecting any Android device with Google Apps that<br />
wants to run on Verizon’s network. Verizon needs Android to be relevant,<br />
 not the other way around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perfectly written!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Messinger</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-3/#comment-1257314</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Messinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Google can start rejecting any Android device with Google Apps that 
wants to run on Verizon’s network. Verizon needs Android to be relevant,
 not the other way around.&quot;

Perfectly written...!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Google can start rejecting any Android device with Google Apps that<br />
wants to run on Verizon’s network. Verizon needs Android to be relevant,<br />
 not the other way around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perfectly written&#8230;!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerëmy</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-1255233</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerëmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not really bitching.. i think the &quot;Nexus&quot; device should just provide the &quot;pure Google experience&quot; without any carrier imprint on it. that verizon logo on the back is just... not cool. i just think everything went against the idea of Nexus with the Vexus. so i have the GSM Galaxy Nexus. i love it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not really bitching.. i think the &#8220;Nexus&#8221; device should just provide the &#8220;pure Google experience&#8221; without any carrier imprint on it. that verizon logo on the back is just&#8230; not cool. i just think everything went against the idea of Nexus with the Vexus. so i have the GSM Galaxy Nexus. i love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Offringa</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-2/#comment-1255036</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Offringa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it means more than squat, but you&#039;re entitled to your opinion. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it means more than squat, but you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion. </p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-3/#comment-1254718</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well you got Verizon and Sprint who are currently and primarily CDMA providers. Okay. Then you have regional carriers. All of which are CDMA. All these carriers operate their CDMA networks at the same frequencies (though Cricket has more spectrum)
Here&#039;s what&#039;s fucked up, you can&#039;t take a phone from Verizon to Sprint and vice versa. They are strictly anto-byod (bring your own device). Then you have Virgin Mobile, a virtual network using and owned by Sprint. Again, you CANNOT bring your own device, you have to choose from their crappy selection.
Then you have the regional carriers again. They&#039;ll flash ANY CDMA phone that&#039;s capable onto their network. See, not even into the GSM part and its already fucked up.

Now we have our 2 only GSM carriers. AT&amp;T being the biggest and small little T-Mobile USA. On the GSM side, they&#039;re fully backwards-capable. You can bring any GSM phone to these networks so long as its unlocked. Here&#039;s where it gets fucked up. THEIR 3G NETWORKS OPERATE AT INCOMPATIBLE FREQUENCIES! Isn&#039;t that completely counter-intuitive of the idea of what GSM is for? 

Here&#039;s where it gets more fucked up. Just about every carrier has decied LTE is their future, right? Mkay. So that means we&#039;ll eventually have a fixed and open mobile industry? Not really. From the looks of it now, they&#039;re all going to operate at incompatible frequencies, so its all gonna be fucked up.
Why the hell can&#039;t we be more like Europe in that they have mobile STANDARDS that must be followed?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you got Verizon and Sprint who are currently and primarily CDMA providers. Okay. Then you have regional carriers. All of which are CDMA. All these carriers operate their CDMA networks at the same frequencies (though Cricket has more spectrum)<br />
Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s fucked up, you can&#8217;t take a phone from Verizon to Sprint and vice versa. They are strictly anto-byod (bring your own device). Then you have Virgin Mobile, a virtual network using and owned by Sprint. Again, you CANNOT bring your own device, you have to choose from their crappy selection.<br />
Then you have the regional carriers again. They&#8217;ll flash ANY CDMA phone that&#8217;s capable onto their network. See, not even into the GSM part and its already fucked up.</p>
<p>Now we have our 2 only GSM carriers. AT&amp;T being the biggest and small little T-Mobile USA. On the GSM side, they&#8217;re fully backwards-capable. You can bring any GSM phone to these networks so long as its unlocked. Here&#8217;s where it gets fucked up. THEIR 3G NETWORKS OPERATE AT INCOMPATIBLE FREQUENCIES! Isn&#8217;t that completely counter-intuitive of the idea of what GSM is for? </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where it gets more fucked up. Just about every carrier has decied LTE is their future, right? Mkay. So that means we&#8217;ll eventually have a fixed and open mobile industry? Not really. From the looks of it now, they&#8217;re all going to operate at incompatible frequencies, so its all gonna be fucked up.<br />
Why the hell can&#8217;t we be more like Europe in that they have mobile STANDARDS that must be followed?!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Offringa</title>
		<link>http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/30/verizon-needs-google-opinion/comment-page-3/#comment-1252945</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Offringa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 08:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, I want to thank you for taking the time to articulate a clear response to the points I bring up. Also, I want to thank you for doing so in a respectful way with the understanding that this is an opinion piece with the intention of stirring up debate and discussion. 

- I&#039;m very much aware that the iPhone has only been available on AT&amp;T until this year. If it had been available on Verizon there&#039;s a good chance Android wouldn&#039;t be where it is today. Also, you&#039;re  right that the iPhone displays the carrier in the status bar. It always has and it always will. You might say that it&#039;s branding, but that&#039;s branding at the most minimal level. Android phones have the carrier in the status bar too. The difference is, on the body of the iPhone there is no indication of which carrier it is on. If I placed a Verizon, AT&amp;T, and Sprint iPhone in front of you, you wouldn&#039;t be able to tell which was on which carrier without turning on the screen. Is it a minor issue? Perhaps, but it sends the message that the iPhone is Apple&#039;s phone, not some carrier&#039;s. That&#039;s why I make a big deal about the logo on the back. The Verizon Galaxy Nexus has no outward indication that it is Google&#039;s flagship phone. 

- Nexus phones have come to symbolize the best in Android, but that wasn&#039;t the original vision in my opinion. The whole point of the article is that Google&#039;s approach has changed in ways that it shouldn&#039;t have. Nexus phones should show the best hardware and software versions of Android, but they should also challenge the carrier models like the Nexus One did. 

- Having two apps that can be disabled is kind of like bloatware on a Windows laptop, except that can be uninstalled easily. I can only disable the apps on the Galaxy Nexus unless I decide to root and rom. I&#039;m definitely thankful that it&#039;s only two apps, but it should have been zero. The reason I brought up the apps was to show that Google made concessions where they shouldn&#039;t have. It&#039;s not that the apps are horrendous, but rather that those kinds of compromises can become dangerous. 

- I honestly couldn&#039;t care less about Google Wallet. Like you said, it&#039;s easy to side load. The reason I brought it up is because there&#039;s a good chance it isn&#039;t on the Galaxy Nexus (or the AT&amp;T and T-Mobile Nexus S) because of ISIS. 

- I never gave any indication that the Galaxy Nexus wouldn&#039;t get updates from Google. It&#039;s a Nexus device, so of course it will get updates from Google. 

- Google definitely made some deals with Verizon. The point I was trying to make wasn&#039;t that these compromises are the worst possible outcome, but rather that they could lead to more damaging compromises. Google doesn&#039;t need Verizon as much as Verizon needs Google. If Google wasn&#039;t being pushed around in some way, they wouldn&#039;t need to make deals. The iPhone doesn&#039;t come with Verizon apps. Why should the Galaxy Nexus? 

- I never once stated that the Nexus vision is defined by me or that I was basing my argument on an official statement by Google. It doesn&#039;t exist. I simply latex out the history of Nexus devices and argued that the original plan, while flawed, was a gorgeous vision of how buying and selling a phone should be. At its center was the notion that buying a phone shouldn&#039;t necessarily involve the carrier. Over time, the carriers have become more and more involved. I think it&#039;s great (and important) for them to be involved with customer support, but I don&#039;t think they should be involved beyond that. I want a relationship with Google, not with Verizon. 

- You&#039;re right that Google wants to make money like the carriers, but they do that with search advertisements, not with Android. 

- I never stated that the Galaxy Nexus is completely controlled by Verizon. I said that Verizon is involved with the phone on too deep a level. If the iPhone can be on Verizon without their branding on the outside of the device and without Verizon apps preinstalled, the Google should be able to do the same. The Galaxy Nexus is Google&#039;s phone, not Verizon&#039;s. 

Again, thanks for responding to this with your own well articulated thoughts. It seems too easy for many to just reply by calling me names or saying I&#039;m wrong without actually expressing their thoughts. I truly appreciate your efforts and look forward to your reply. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I want to thank you for taking the time to articulate a clear response to the points I bring up. Also, I want to thank you for doing so in a respectful way with the understanding that this is an opinion piece with the intention of stirring up debate and discussion. </p>
<p>- I&#8217;m very much aware that the iPhone has only been available on AT&amp;T until this year. If it had been available on Verizon there&#8217;s a good chance Android wouldn&#8217;t be where it is today. Also, you&#8217;re  right that the iPhone displays the carrier in the status bar. It always has and it always will. You might say that it&#8217;s branding, but that&#8217;s branding at the most minimal level. Android phones have the carrier in the status bar too. The difference is, on the body of the iPhone there is no indication of which carrier it is on. If I placed a Verizon, AT&amp;T, and Sprint iPhone in front of you, you wouldn&#8217;t be able to tell which was on which carrier without turning on the screen. Is it a minor issue? Perhaps, but it sends the message that the iPhone is Apple&#8217;s phone, not some carrier&#8217;s. That&#8217;s why I make a big deal about the logo on the back. The Verizon Galaxy Nexus has no outward indication that it is Google&#8217;s flagship phone. </p>
<p>- Nexus phones have come to symbolize the best in Android, but that wasn&#8217;t the original vision in my opinion. The whole point of the article is that Google&#8217;s approach has changed in ways that it shouldn&#8217;t have. Nexus phones should show the best hardware and software versions of Android, but they should also challenge the carrier models like the Nexus One did. </p>
<p>- Having two apps that can be disabled is kind of like bloatware on a Windows laptop, except that can be uninstalled easily. I can only disable the apps on the Galaxy Nexus unless I decide to root and rom. I&#8217;m definitely thankful that it&#8217;s only two apps, but it should have been zero. The reason I brought up the apps was to show that Google made concessions where they shouldn&#8217;t have. It&#8217;s not that the apps are horrendous, but rather that those kinds of compromises can become dangerous. </p>
<p>- I honestly couldn&#8217;t care less about Google Wallet. Like you said, it&#8217;s easy to side load. The reason I brought it up is because there&#8217;s a good chance it isn&#8217;t on the Galaxy Nexus (or the AT&amp;T and T-Mobile Nexus S) because of ISIS. </p>
<p>- I never gave any indication that the Galaxy Nexus wouldn&#8217;t get updates from Google. It&#8217;s a Nexus device, so of course it will get updates from Google. </p>
<p>- Google definitely made some deals with Verizon. The point I was trying to make wasn&#8217;t that these compromises are the worst possible outcome, but rather that they could lead to more damaging compromises. Google doesn&#8217;t need Verizon as much as Verizon needs Google. If Google wasn&#8217;t being pushed around in some way, they wouldn&#8217;t need to make deals. The iPhone doesn&#8217;t come with Verizon apps. Why should the Galaxy Nexus? </p>
<p>- I never once stated that the Nexus vision is defined by me or that I was basing my argument on an official statement by Google. It doesn&#8217;t exist. I simply latex out the history of Nexus devices and argued that the original plan, while flawed, was a gorgeous vision of how buying and selling a phone should be. At its center was the notion that buying a phone shouldn&#8217;t necessarily involve the carrier. Over time, the carriers have become more and more involved. I think it&#8217;s great (and important) for them to be involved with customer support, but I don&#8217;t think they should be involved beyond that. I want a relationship with Google, not with Verizon. </p>
<p>- You&#8217;re right that Google wants to make money like the carriers, but they do that with search advertisements, not with Android. </p>
<p>- I never stated that the Galaxy Nexus is completely controlled by Verizon. I said that Verizon is involved with the phone on too deep a level. If the iPhone can be on Verizon without their branding on the outside of the device and without Verizon apps preinstalled, the Google should be able to do the same. The Galaxy Nexus is Google&#8217;s phone, not Verizon&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Again, thanks for responding to this with your own well articulated thoughts. It seems too easy for many to just reply by calling me names or saying I&#8217;m wrong without actually expressing their thoughts. I truly appreciate your efforts and look forward to your reply. </p>
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