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Verizon Needs Google [Opinion]


Think back to January 5th, 2010. That was the date that the Nexus One was first announced and made available for purchase. I can vividly remember the announcement. I impatiently waited for someone to review the device, but the images I saw already confirmed my suspicions: this was going to be an incredible device. Even though it wasn’t on Verizon yet, I had plans to upgrade to it as soon as possible.

This vision of the Nexus One was a phone sold directly by Google to consumers. There was no store to try the device out. You went to google.com/phone to purchase the phone. If you had T-Mobile you could buy the phone unlocked for $529 or $179 on a new two year contract. Eventually a version of the Nexus One with AT&T bands was released in March. By April it was announced that the Nexus One would never be released on Verizon and that customers should buy the Droid Incredible instead. I was crushed, but I moved on (and eventually did get a Droid Incredible, which now sits on my desk running CM7). 

Now think back to December 16th, 2010 when the Nexus S was released. There were no announcements of additional carriers until March 21st, when Google announced that the Nexus S would be available on Sprint with WiMax. On July 21st it was announced that the Nexus S would be available on AT&T for $99 on contract. With a Sprint version I was especially hopeful that Verizon would finally have a Nexus device, but alas, Verizon never released the Nexus S.

In the time between the Nexus One and the Nexus S Google learned a lot about selling phones. First, they learned that having email support is not enough. The Nexus One was plagued with radio issues early on and customers were upset that their only option was to email Google or post on a message board for help. With the Nexus S, Google worked closely with the carriers to ensure that they would help support the devices. While AT&T and T-Mobile didn’t carry the device in stores, Best Buy had both versions in stores as well as the Sprint version when it was released.

This year the Galaxy Nexus was released a day earlier than the Nexus S. As you know, the phone was released exclusively on Verizon Wireless after much delay. All evidence points to the fact that the Galaxy Nexus was ready to launch by the end of November, but Verizon waited to give the Rezoud and the RAZR more time to sell. To make matters worse, the Galaxy Nexus is the first Nexus device to have a carrier’s software preinstalled. Speaking of software, the Galaxy Nexus doesn’t have Google Wallet installed on it. Sure, it can be side-loaded, but it’s just more evidence that Google is not in control of this device. Unlike every other Nexus, the Galaxy Nexus does not have Google branding on the back; instead Verizon’s logo rests above their 4G LTE logo. If there was any doubt about whether or not this was Google’s phone, that should put the debate to rest.

Google’s original vision of the Nexus program has changed dramatically over the last two years, and I don’t think it has been for the better. Google has slowly gotten in bed with the carriers, which has led to the worst Nexus we’ve seen yet. Sure, it has the latest version of Android (which is fantastic) and it’s on my carrier of choice (finally!), but at what cost?

The original vision entailed releasing a device free from the carriers that people could buy subsidized or unsubsidized with the latest version of Android and the first crack at new updates. Instead of using their power to push carriers like Verizon to do no evil, Google has gotten into bed with Verizon, allowing them to further distort their original Nexus vision. It may be said that it’s impossible to get on a carrier’s network without making concessions, but apparently Apple was able to pull it off. If Apple can do it, Google definitely can. Google has tons of money – why not spend it to ensure the largest carrier in the U.S. has a real Nexus device, not some Verizon branded step-child of a Nexus?

Google needs the carriers for support right now, I get that, but when their acquisition of Motorola is complete they’ll have a staff that is trained to support users with their devices. By then they’ll also have a few billion more dollars in search revenue that they can use to throw at the carriers to ensure that their device isn’t touched. Verizon has way too much control right now. A Nexus should never be controlled by a carrier. A Nexus is supposed to be the best from Google, not the best that Verizon will allow on their network.

Google has challenged the music industry with Google Music. They challenged Microsoft Office with Google Docs and Gmail. They challenged Apple’s iPhone with Android. They challenged netbook manufacturers with Chromebooks. They challenged the movie industry with YouTube. Why isn’t Google challenging the carriers? They have the power to do so, but they’re holding back. They should have the Nexus in 5 colors on every carrier right now, but instead they have a tainted Nexus on the greediest carrier in the world. Something is wrong with this picture. We obviously don’t have all the details, but something needs to change. Google needs to step up to the carriers and take control of their device. If Verizon doesn’t want to play nice, Google can start rejecting any Android device with Google Apps that wants to run on Verizon’s network. Verizon needs Android to be relevant, not the other way around.

  • weapon x

    It’s all about money, not the OS, not giving the customer the “Pure Google experience” , not about giving us what we want, its all about companies doing what companies do…make money. They really don’t give a damn about us guys….they just want our money. And according to the last “what phone do you have” poll, many here gave it up..very willingly.

  • Anonymous

    The fact that it has an unlocked bootloader is a win for me

  • Umm, this headline basically goes against what the article says.. You should of said, Google needs Verizon to let them do what they want 

    • no look at the ending paragraph, without androids verizon would be nothing. meaning they need google.  

      • The whole article is about why google is being passive towards verizon the tirle is misleading….one sentence does not make up for all the other paragraphs basically bashing google and then saying how the nexus sucks even rho its rhe best phone out??

        • yes theyre passive, but if i read it right, hes saying google shouldnt be passive and should demand certain things that it has the power to do. they just give in and make deals too quick.

  • Commando

    Ok, its getting to the point where I don’t think you guys get it. Google is not a charity, it’s not going to say no to a company, willing to pay them billions of dollars, so that they can comply with the wants of a couple hundred fanboys who want a “pure google experience.” People need to stop expecting that their wants are going to come before business.

    • weapon x


  • Anonymous

    People see 2 useful apps from the carrier as the thing which tainted the phone.  These are useful apps.  They didn’t make me have the malware apps so Im fine with these 2 apps.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see how the GN is any less of a Nexus than previous versions.

    • So what you’re saying is that you didn’t read the article? Noted.

      • Anonymous

        No, I read it.  I didn’t find it persuasive though.

        Get over yourself.

      • Anonymous

        dude why are you so bitter?


    I agree, but unfortunately I don’t think the ignorant masses understand the real point of Android and the Nexus devices.
    Hopefully the next Nexus will be made by Motorola.

    • Anonymous

      I doubt moto will ever make a nexus – one reason. Moto doesn’t have the global footprint companies like Samsung has – and I’m willing to bet that’s the reason Motorola won’t make one. Plus it seems moto has a vested interest in making their own software.

      Google wants global market share – Moto doesn’t have the global presence, heck they don’t even have a real presence outside Verizon in the US

      • Kidheated

        Agreed. Moto sucks. Samsung shits on them, hands down. If Moto wanted to stick to anything they should stay with hardware, cause their software blows. All they are is a ugly candy coating for their delicious patent center.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t hate Moto, I just wish they stopped with software.

          But my argument with moto nexus is that they’re mostly US on Verizon.

    • PC_Tool

      “but unfortunately I don’t think the ignorant masses understand the real point of Android and the Nexus devices.”

      Heh…this ought to be good:

      Do tell….what *is* the real point of Android and the Nexus Devices??

  • weapon x

    If this was in fact the worst nexus yet, then why the hell did this site went on and on and on and on.. on how this was the greatest phone ever and implied that if you  love android, you HAVE to have this phone. Seems like someone needs to take their foot out of their mouth

    • weapon x

      Yea, I know I said it wrong…but you guys know what I mean.

      • You’re right, just wondering though, are you in the band weapon X?

        • weapon x

          I didn’t even know that there was a band with that name. 

  • Anonymous

    “The worst Nexus we’ve seen yet”

    The old saying, “opinions are like assholes” is so fitting right now..

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  • Anonymous

    Google Wallet isn’t really a valid point. The only Nexus to have it is the Nexus S 4G on Sprint. It’s not available on any version of the Nexus One, nor the Nexus S on T-Mobile or AT&T. I don’t particularly mind the logo or the easily removed preinstalled apps.
    What I do mind, is that Google is losing control of the Nexus. Google should take a page for Apple’s book in this circumstance. The next Nexus should be announced with a release date for all four major carriers, as well as an unlocked GSM version (maybe even make it one global phone with GSM, CDMA, and LTE). If a carrier fails to release it on that date, then they lose sales to all of the other carriers that do release it. If Google really wanted to exercise control, they can prevent carriers that don’t release the Nexus from using Google Apps on their phones. Google could also use this same tactic to enforce updates. Require phones to provide updates for at least 2 years after release in order to have Google Apps. Even better, use the same tactic for custom skins and require that they have an option to be removed. Google needs to start asserting more control over the Nexus and Android as a whole.

  • weapon x

    Wow, glad to see at least most people have some common sense and understanding about how the mobile industry works. Not just fanboy hoopla. Congrats yall

  • Nick Bohl

    I must disagree with the dissention to the current device. Yes, google needs to step up, but I feel that 2 apps is not bloat. Love-handles maybe, but it’s incredibly minimal and I think the my verizon app is very beneficial for those with capped data plans. Also, as OMJ said, vzw is not the only one blocking google wallet. vzw, att, and T-mo are involved in a joint effort to provide their own wallet-type app, so that’s just the way it’s going to be. The big three want their own kickback from the banks.. Other than that, I think this device is fantastic. The 4g outages might also be annoying, but that’s not a device problem either. Lastly, anyone who is smart will have a case (even a paper-thin one like mine) on their phone, so who cares if it says google or verizon… it’s still the verizon version, so why not put the vzw logo on it? I just don’t get the level of agression that is being conveyed.

    • It’s not necessarily about things like Google Wallet, but more about Google straying away from their original vision of what a Nexus should be.

  • RealisticAndroidFan

    When will people learn? VZW doesn’t need ANYONE. 
    They have enough money and power, to sell and brand anything they want. 

    Android needs VZW to stay relevant, so Apple marketing doesn’t crush the Android OS into the ground. 

    This coming from a Droid Xer, and a GNex-er.

  • Doublea501

    Heres my opinion.  Google should have gotten there branding onto the phone.  even the droid 1 has google branding and its not even a google phone.  i can care less about the verizon branding, but google should have at least put there name on the phone.

    with the 2 verizon apps, i can care less.  they can be disabled within a minute of having the phone or can be completely removed if you are rooted.  Not a big deal, just be happy your not getting nfl demo games or anything, that is true bloatware.

    for the carrier crap.  VZW is fine.  Google is not going to make there own carrier for one phone each year.  Apple doesnt have there own carrier, why should google?  Its not a snap of the finger to make a carrier.  especially with the expanded networks, they will have to be able to match others with.  the thing about google is that they do not fail.  They take few risks, but must come out on top.  If they make a carrier, and get owned with their older technology for the first year, then they be laughed at and there sales for there other products will go down.  Verizon does not need google.  Google needs verizon.  If google does not have verizon then most of the customers will just get an iphone on vzws network.

    • Legendsoftroy

      Dont want to be rude but when you first turn on the phone the first thing you see is the Google branding. Thats more than enough for me.

  • Ron,
    very interesting points in this..

    • Justin Ellis

      Whats up BMX!!!

  • Anonymous

    Silly article driven by fanboyism, instead of business acumen.

    VZW does need Google, but you’re insane if you think Google doesn’t need VZW as well. Google is in no real position to compromise their relationship with the largest carrier in the US. The same can be said in the other direction. At the end of the day, neither side can lose the other, so suggesting bully tactics is silly.

    Then there’s the “throw money at VZW” argument. Um… I fail to see how that makes any sense. Why would Google do this? To push out the Nexus of their dreams…. OK.. is there a real reason? Nobody is going to invest billions into buying their way into a position that serves to generate no additional revenue by having done so. If Google actually, thought that Android was being perverted SO much that it is hurting brand identity, and keeping sales down, that would be one thing, but Android numbers continue to soar, and let’s not forget, a lot of that is SPECIFICALLY due to VZW’s help. How does it serve Google to make sure the Nexus is bloat free, so much so, that they should pay VZW to do it?

    Maybe when the Nexus One was being developed, and Android sales were still low (pre Droid days), Google could have legitimately believed sales were low BECAUSE of carriers or manufacturers perverting AOSP. They really believed they had to do something. At this point, they can’t really believe that, and the Nexus project can’t be much more than a showcase for what’s new with Android… or just a pet project, really. Nothing worth throwing crazy amounts of money. Not even Google can change the US cell phone model, and they’re gaining PLENTY from it now, so why bother?

    • I think the simple answer is that Google should aspire to make the best products available. I don’t think that’s a bad goal to have.

  • damn, cry me a river

  • Thelegendodavid

    What a horrible rant. Someone bitch slap this fool

  • Mike McCrary

    Sigh…not this again.

    1. Who really cares what the back cover says? You will never see it during normal phone use. 
    2. Google Wallet IS NOT part of the AOSP. It is a closed-source program that is ONLY available on the Sprint Nexus S. It is NOT available on the unlocked GSM Galaxy Nexus. It is a SPRINT exclusive application. And yes, it can be sideloaded, VERY easily and with NO hacking, rooting, or unlocking required. This should be a testament to how open the LTE Galaxy Nexus really is.
    3. The Verizon apps can be disabled and hidden. You will never see them and they will not affect your phone whatsoever aside from the paltry 3 MB of space they take up.
    4. The Verizon Galaxy Nexus is DIRECTLY supported in the AOSP tree and gets updates direct from Google. Some of the “unlocked” GSM Galaxy Nexus models are NOT supported by Google in the AOSP and have software builds that are built, supported, and updated by Samsung. 

    Can we stop with the “the Verizon Galaxy Nexus is not a TRUE Nexus!” whining, please? It’s an incredible phone, with a stock version of Android, is easily unlocked/rooted/hackable, and is supported in the AOSP tree. AND it’s on Verizon. AND it has LTE speeds. If a branded back cover that you’ll never see when operating the device and two apps that are A. actually useful and B. can be disabled completely really bother you and are deal breakers, I think you need to think about your priorities when choosing a device. 

    Oh, and “this Nexus is the worst Nexus yet”? A totally laughable, inane comment. 

    I know this article is all your opinion, but your opinion is molded by incomplete or flat-out false facts and exaggerations. 

    You’re wrong. 

    • ^ Win.

    • Lmrojas

      Ron, your opinions are dumb.
      Kellex, hire Mike to write opinions at least he’s informed.

      • Matt Ryan

        I would bet my Nexus that despite Ron’s complaining he is using a VZW Nexus as his primary device.  

        This message sent whilst clutching my beautiful Nexus as it whispers sweet google music to my ears.

      • You’re free to disagree, but please make an argument instead of just saying I’m wrong. That doesn’t help anyone.

        • Blootzm3

          dont worry your right Ron I see your point. your like the human rights activist fighting the man and governments control over real freedom. and the rest of these people are ignorant to what the future can hold if we let it continue. kinda like that 2$ charge Verizon would love to lay on you if we let them. those who say nothing now accept the charge. and people like you fight it behind closed doors. the unsung hero. MikeMcCrary should get charged an extra 2$ a month on his bill, he’s ok with that. its only 2$ extra, little things dont bother him. then when Verizon bumps it up to a hundred with their control on him we will see who is laughing then.

          • Mike McCrary


        • Lmrojas

          Why am I going to re articulate the points the post above me made? People like you are ruining the Android game. You guys sat there and cried and cried about a pure Android device, when you knew you would hack and rom any way to have AOSP on your device(90% of Android users don’t care about Skins). Now you finally get the dream Nexus and you cry because it has a logo on the back to reflect that it runs on Verizons 4g LTE network? Because it has 2 carrier apps ( My Verizon is useful, Backup assistant is not) that can be removed because Google knew you guys would cry. You cry because it doesn’t have Google wallet, NEWS FLASH Sprint is the only carrier that allows Google wallet. Are you mad that Currents, Catalog and Reader aren’t pre installed? You know those are other Apps made by Google.

          • My point isn’t that a Nexus should have all of Google’s apps preinstalled. I personally could care less about Google Wallet. I mentioned it because I know it was a sticking point for some. My point is that the Nexus line was originally about making the best phone possible on every carrier. I think Google needs to return to that vision.

          • The Gnex isnt the best possible phone right now? Seriously. Whats better an iPhone 4s?

          • The camera could be better and I personally don’t care for the actual look of the phone, but those are pretty trivial issues. The biggest way it could be a better phone would be for it to have zero influence from Verizon.

          • Blootzm3

            zero influence would be perfect

    • Anonymous

      I think its safe to say this is the greatest phone Verizon will see for a while because it has the ability to be so thoroughly customized since it is unlocked. All the custom themes and Rome that you saw with the d1 will blossom again. The fact that it gets updates from Google is a bonus as far as I am concerned. When I had my og I was flashing Pete’s stuff. I didn’t even care about the ota’s. For me it is a breath of fresh air just to have the freedom of an unlocked bootloader

    • Blootzm3

      -100 go buy yourself a Motorola controled by verizon, and let the real pure ist have their nexus. thats what you realy want to buy with that attitude, verizon control. Motorola is not a bad device in any way but the pupose of the nexus is purity.

    • I never said that the Galaxy Nexus isn’t a real Nexus device. I said it’s the worst one yet because it strays the furthest from Google’s original vision of what a Nexus device should be.

  • Anonymous

    Worst Nexus device yet? Based on what?

    Did you smoke some expired crack or something? This phone is amazing!

    • I agree that it’s a great phone, I just think it could be better. Google’s original vision of what a Nexus phone should be makes more sense to me.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, enough with the it’s not a Nexus meme already.  Is the phone locked down?  Does the phone have a crazy amount of bloat?  Is there any other framework on the phone aside from Android 4.0?  If the answer to all of those questions is no, then it’s a Nexus.

    Wowee it has 2 Verizon apps.  Big deal, I factory reset my Thunderbolt to give to my mother and I was in absolute shock at how much bloat was on the phone and I had only had the Nexus for a week.  The amount of bloat on the other phones is absolutely ridiculous.

    • I never said the Galaxy Nexus isn’t a real Nexus, I said it’s the worst one because it strayed the farthest from Google’s original vision of what a Nexus device should be.

  • I 100% agree with this article! I am completely frustrated at what is going on with the Nexus line right now!

  • “It may be said that it’s impossible to get on a carrier’s network
    without making concessions, but apparently Apple was able to pull it
    off. If Apple can do it, Google definitely can.”


    Apple can pull it off because only Apple makes iPhones.  Anyone can make an Android phone.  Sure, it may have a different skin, but it will still give users access to the same applications, etc., and to most consumers, pretty much the same experience.

    I went with a Nexus so I could get stock Android.  Not all consumers care about that.  They will buy what looks the prettiest or is the fastest.  They don’t care if it says Google, HTC, Samsung, or Motorola on the back.

  • jnt

    Verizon has gotten (always been?) cocky and too big for their own britches.  I hope the bad publicity they’re FINALLY receiving on the LTE issues helps bring them down a notch.  

  • PC_Tool

    “Sure, it has the latest version of Android (which is fantastic) and it’s on my carrier of choice (finally!), but at what cost?”

    Seriously?  What cost?  A battery-cover and two apps? 

    Sorry, the “wallet issue” isn’t an issue because it is *not* part of AOSP.  It’s bloat.  If it was included, you’d probably be bitching about that; “It’s not true AOSP because it has Wallet!”

    The battery-cover is about the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard.  It’s a cover.  It affects the device not one iota.  Get over it.

    The two apps take a whopping 5 minutes to completely remove.  Unlock, root, remove, done. 

    Yeah…in less time than it took you to write that pointless rant.

    Verizon now has a Nexus.  Updated by Google (and 3rd party devs) at an astronomical pace.  WE have a plethora of 4.0.3 AOSP roms, plus several AOSP+ as well as an already almost completely functional build of MIUI.  You can rest assured that both Cyanogen and the MIUI-porting groups will both be supporting this device officially once their ICS builds reach nightly/weekly status.

    This is the Nexus device Verizon users we all have been waiting for.

    • Witness In The Congregation

      Ummmmmm…i change my AMENAAAAA to this comment. +100. No dollar needed.

    • Blootzm3

      wrong, its not perfect, but if your ok with being verizons free add, throw a tatoo on your head lets say your back neck so you wont see it. lol. and some people would rather not bother with having to take the extra step of root to remove apps and verizons control and greed. look at apple and how uncontroled by verizon it could be. why cant nexus be the same. think about it. and if your still ok with what verizon did with it… I want to see you lay that tatoo on your neck and post it on the web for all to see how in bed with verizon and their greed you are. I’ll then back down.

      • PC_Tool

        Lmao… If you aren’t planning to unlock or root…. The Nexus ain’t for you. Talk about bitching just to bitch…

      • Anonymous

        Comparing a tiny logo to a tattoo on one’s head? You exaggerating, bro?

    • It’s not about the battery cover or the apps as much as what those represent. The point of my article is that Google has strayed from their original vision of what a Nexus device should be. This is not the Nexus that all of us have been waiting for.

      • PC_Tool

        It’s not about the battery cover or the apps as much as what those represent”

        They represent a battery cover and two apps. They have nothing to do with the fact that the device is 100% supported by AOSP, updated by Google, and designed to be the reference device for ICS.

        “The point of my article is that Google has strayed from their original vision of what a Nexus device should be.”

        You do not know what the “vision” is.  The point of your “article” was to whine like a b*tch.  

        “This is not the Nexus that all of us have been waiting for.”

        More like: It’s not the fantasy you’ve imagined it should be.  Thankfully, the rest of us don’t live in your fantasy world.

        • You’re right, they have nothing to do with updates. They have to do with a carrier exerting too much control. These are minor things now, but it could get worse in time. I want to call them out now before they get worse.

          The point of my article wasn’t to whine, it was to call Google to a higher standard and remind them of their vision. You keep claiming that all a Nexus means is that it is supported in the AOSP tree and gets updates directly from Google. That’s part of the answer, and that may be the truth of it now (you have yet to produce an official statement from Google that articulates what a Nexus device is), but even if that’s what Google would say now, that’s not what they would have said with the Nexus One.

          I’m not alone in my convictions. I don’t mind you disagreeing,but please do it in a respectful way. I don’t agree with your position, but I haven’t resorted to calling you a “whiny bitch.” Please show me the same courtesy

  • Dr Piranha

    I can’t say that I agree with, well, anything stated here. It had one Verizon app pre-installed. ONE (arguably, VZW Backup is more of a service than an app). The lack of Google branding on the back of the device is a bit annoying, yes, but nothing about that screams “non-Nexus” to anyone. This device is just as much of a Nexus as all of its predecessors, regardless of which carrier it’s on. 

    • I agree, which is why I never said it isn’t a Nexus device.

  • Doan

    I dunno about the 5 colors on every carrier (which is likely an over-exaggeration), but I do think it should’ve been simultaneously released on the top 4 US carriers (This is coming from a Verizon customer).

    • Definitely an over exaggeration. Three colors at most. 🙂

  • Mr. Snrub

    I respect no one who considers the NFL mobile app to be bloatware.

    • Anonymous

      It may surprise you to know that not everyone likes sports…

      • Adam

        The NFL isn’t a ‘sport’, it’s ‘sports entertainment.’  These days, the NFL is one step above professional wrestling.  (TV timeouts, Madonna half time shows, a playoff structure designed for ratings rather than to determine the best team, etc)

        • Anonymous

          Maybe they should change their name to “National Entertainment League” than.

        • kretz7

          Really?! Football is not a sport because it has TV timeouts? When’s the last time you watched anything on TV? That’s like saying The Simpsons isn’t a cartoon because it has TV timeouts. 

          • The NFL is dangerously close to turning into the NBA… 

            The plethora of new rules in the last 5-10 years has turned the game into an all offense, no defense sort of league.

            Its disgusting (to me, atleast).

      • Mr. Snrub

        I’m aware of such anomalies.  I stand by my original judgment.

  • Matthew Rosidivito

    While I agree with this, I also fear that most customers aren’t concerned by it. We represent a small minority of not just Android, but Nexus enthusiasts. I doubt that the average smartphone user could even name the brand of their device off the top of their head.

    • Anonymous

      +1 Good point

    • jnt

      That’s really what it boils down to, and is why it’ll likely never change much.

  • Anonymous

    Google’s a service company, not product. And the only service they actually sell is advertising. They’ll never be a player in the supply chain, it’s not their core business.

    Hence, whyhow the G1 launch was a complete flop.

  • Google’s original vision was to make a phone that they could sell for $100 unlocked without contract by supporting it with advertising instead. Given how much Google makes from AdMob and search advertising, they could do it. They caved when no one played ball, though.

  • Anonymous

    Couldnet have said it better!  The last 2 sentences say it all..  Wake up verizon!!!

  • MFG

    The worst Nexus yet? Shut your mouth, you don’t know what you’re talking about. This Nexus does laps around the other two.

    • Doan

      I don’t think you understand this article.  He’s not comparing the hardware or performance of the phones.

  • Anonymous

    Very Well Said…

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you, but two measly Verizon apps is no big deal. Plus, we can’t forget that LTE plays a big role in this now. Google loves LTE on their flagship phones (thus giving VZW leverage) and the LTE network appears to be complicated to the point where any handset needs rigorous testing before launch (unlike GSM phones)

    • Doan

      This works the other way around, as well.  Verizon LOVES LTE, and wants it on all of their top-tier devices.  Verizon is doing everything they can to push LTE, so I’m pretty sure that Verizon wanted LTE on the phone even more than Google did.

      • Anonymous

        That is a good point.

      • Anonymous

        I have to say that I feel differently.  I believe that Google was just as much behind the 4G as Verizon.  If not just for R&D purposes (get ICS and LTE bugs out now), but marketing as well.  4G > 3G = $$$ > $

  • Anonymous

    1 more thing, Google has challenged facebook, that is Google+.

  • Anonymous

    Good post Ron, I totally agree. 

  • rudolphe

    Except for one thing… Android wouldn’t be where it is right now without Verizon’s aggressive marketing push for the Droid line. If Verizon had instead gotten the iPhone early on instead of wholesale adopting Android, iOS market share would likely still be higher than Androids. What would Google do if Verizon decided to stop selling Androids? I’m willing to bet Google would bend before Verizon would. Granted, VZW would lose a lot of customers in the process, myself included, but that’s besides the point.
    And “worst Nexus we’ve seen yet”Really? Because of branding on the cover and two pieces of Verizon software? That’s a bit much.

    • Anonymous

      +1 Agreed – Google needs as many users as possible = they will always bend first. Otherwise VZW could simply push the iPhone harder

      • Blootzm3

        they wont push the iphone idiot, they have no control over it. look at their advertising. so far I see droid adds on verizon. and they advertise the ones they control the most for the most profit.

        • Anonymous

          I wouldn’t call him an idiot, but VZW does push Android far more. It’s probably because they’re the only LTE capable phones.

    • Kris Brandt

      The reason why Verizon pushed so hard for the Droid was because they didn’t have the iPhone.  They wanted to compete and to do so was to market this phone that did things the iPhone did not.  Flash forward to the present and Verizon could care less about the phones and more about control over its customers to achieve the highest profit margin possible.

      • Anonymous

        +1 Sir

      • +1 for 

        “that did things the iPhone did not.  Flash”

      • Blootzm3

        someone who realy understands finally… +1. and if Verison didn’t push droid someone else would and thats where I would have been for it. then the fall of Verizon control would begin. true market understanding. If you wanted michelin tires you dont go to goodyear to get them. but now goodyear sells them due to customer demand. understand that and you’ll understand why droid will do well with or without verizon. its called customer demand. thats also why verizon bent over for iphone. they were loosing too many customers. rudolphe is an idiot not to see that. oh and no verizon logo or bloatware covers iphone. iphones pure genious marketing.

        • Anonymous

          I hate the iPhone, but I agree. Apple did something right with it. They have all the control they want and the carriers don’t care because it makes them money.

  • I don’t think most users of this phone care about any of this.  There is a very small minority that cares about this kind of stuff. 

  • OMJ

    Who cares if it has a logo and a few vzw apps.  Bitching about the lack of Google Wallet is ridiculous since its not on tmobile or att phones either. Sprint is the only major US carrier that allows it on their phones. 

    Google abandoned their original model because it simply didnt work. The sales of the nexus one were awful. If you really think this is the worst nexus device yet then switch to Tmobile and buy a nexus one since it and its sales model were apparently perfect.

    • Anonymous

      Google wallet isnt really ready anyway. It works but not all the time and there have been reports of issues when installing it after loading custom ROMs or factory resets. Not being able to access your account anymore. Anyway, isnt modification and customization one the points of a Nexus though?

      • Anonymous

        I would disagree that it isn’t ready. I use it anywhere I see a Mastercard Paypass terminal – I’ve used it at 2 gas stations and 7-Eleven about an hour ago in fact. works great

        • Nick Bohl

          I just don’t trust it. I’ve read multiple news stories of people in airports walking around with breifcases what have those paypass terminals inside and turned on with a portable power source. They are programmed to always be accepting data, so if you walk by, it swipes your account info. then plug it into a logger, get the data, and go on a shopping spree….. I don’t know if google wallet is more efficient than the cards with this capability, but the risk is not work the reward to me.

          • Anonymous

            you have to enter your PIN into the phone before it transfers the info. it also wont activate google wallet if the screen is off. i agree with you on rfid in cards though.

          • Anonymous

            you create a PIN and every time is activates you have to enter your PIN – and it’s not that sensitive (distance wise) – maybe GWallet terminals will be more sensitive but the PayPass ones aren’t.

          • Anonymous

            Your credit card can be read just as easily as your phone can with these devices, so this point is moot. 

          • Josh Nichols

            You have to be literally five inches away from a paypass terminal for Google Wallet to work.

          • Blootzm3

            +1 nice burn

        • Anonymous

          i used up my $10 with it. once it wouldnt recognize and start up so i had to open wallet manually. i suspect it was my fault from swapping batteries and it had to initialize and authenticate the new nfc chip in the battery. i did edit my post though to clarify the main issue.

    • Anonymous

      I’m thinking the same thing. All the Verizon apps can be disabled. Literally takes 2 minutes tops. The fact that we have a phone with an unlockable bootloader, easy root, and a brand new OS makes this a success in my book. If the Verizon logo bothers you that bad, just get a silver Sharpie and mark it out or get a case. Could things be better? Sure! Could things be worse? You bet your sweet Aunt Bippie! But until Google actually gets it’s own carrier (which would be sweet), they have to play the game. Verizon and Google are big time players and there will be compromises to make. If a logo and a few disable-able apps is it, no biggie to me!

      • Anonymous

        I don’t particularly mind the logo and a few apps, but Google needs to assert more control over the carriers and Android in general. This is one thing that Google needs to take from Apple’s book.

        • Anonymous

          Which most people neglect to realize is…they can’t.  Android is open source.  If they want to play nice, then they can’t assert anything OR Verizon/Samsung/HTC will just take the code and FORGET Google on any Android device they sell.

          • Google Apps. That is all.

          • Anonymous

            There are alternatives.

          • Anonymous

            And the alternatives to the Android Market kind of suck in comparison. The Market has 40x the amount of apps as the Amazon Appstore.

          • And the Appstore apps are beyond horrible.

          • Anonymous

            You’re right that they can’t control what carriers/manufacturers do with AOSP Android, but Google can control what is done with the closed source Google Apps such as the Android Market and Gmail.

          • Anonymous

            Yes but as well all know is that a Android phone isn’t useful without the Android Marketplace.

          • Anonymous

            Of course it’s not very useful without the Android Market. That’s what the Market is a useful tool to help Google control Android.

          • Anonymous

            It will cause some PR nightmare, I can see. The moment that happens, you will see the likes of John Gruber and MG Siegler jump for joy and proclaim, “THE OPEN ANDROID IS DEAD!”

            And losing the “open” tag, however much tweet Andy Rubin does, will definitely deal a devastating blow on Android.

          • Blootzm3

            wrong… apple did it, why cant google. and if its no biggie tell verizon to romove verizon logo and control.

          • Anonymous

            Apple could achieve it because ONLY they are making the whole ball of wax.  Google COULD do that too and remain open but because it IS open, there would ALWAYS be other devices so the base “fragmentation” argument would still be around.

            The only people who think Android fragmentation really matters are people who don’t understand to begin with.  Most developers I know don’t think fragmentation is all that big of deal. 

          • Tony Perez

            Most developers I know don’t think fragmentation is all that big of deal.”
            Especially since, even in the iOS world, there are apps that won’t work on all versions of the iPhone. Nature of the industry. There are still likely millions of analog TVs being used around the world and in many areas, they won’t work without a digital converter. Is that fragmentation? Maybe but it’s also evolution…

          • Tony Perez

            I wonder if there is an agreement between Google and carriers to limit their right to issue a “vanilla” version of Android for handsets after they are released with the version with manufacturer overlays and bloatware. Wouldn’t it be great to have the freedom to take your new handset, go to a Google website and download a compatible version of Android and not have to worry about your warranty being terminated? (It’s nice to dream…)

      • Tony Perez

        Good points! By the way, I don’t mind having a Verizon logo on my handset because if I ever misplace it, at least anyone who picks it up (and is very honest) can call VZW or take it to a Verizon store and drop it off so they can call me to get my handset..

    • Don West

      I think this is less about how easy or quickly you can disable a Verizon app and more of a slippery slope type of argument.

      • Blootzm3

        +1 OMJ is an idiot. he doesnt get the piont.

        • Rodd

          point is it appears Verizon is trying to make the Nexus just another Android phone.  this time its branding & google wallet but whats next – sense/blur type skins & v-cast apps??

      • Pretty much.

      • Tony Perez

        True. Especially if you have Android 4.0 or higher. For those who stress out about bloatware, you can go into Settings/Apps then the All tab. There, you can find bloatware and disable many of the apps you will never use. What you disable is up to you (make sure you don’t disable system apps). While bloatware is still not removable from a stock device, at least disabling it will remove it from memory and speed up the performance of your handset! Good luck!

    • Anonymous

      People need to relax…It’s a phone, not something to form a cult over.

      It’s a really nice phone, with the latest Android software, and very little bloat that can easily be dealt with…why is there complaining?  Is Google complaining?  It’s their OS and their name (Nexus).  I seriously doubt that Google believes they are being pushed around by Verizon.  It’s a partnership that is making both companies boatloads of money.

      Just relax and enjoy your phones.

    • I care if i have to stare at a verizon logo and look at verizon apps. This isnt nascar.

      • OMJ

        why are you staring at the back of your phone anyway? I generally look at the screen of my phone instead of the back.

        • Blootzm3

          you still dont get the point idiot. the logo is on their for a reason. promoting verizon. kinda like getting paid to have a name on a race car same thing. you work for verizon without your knowledge. and I wont be surprized if you realy do work for them. only idiots wont care. thats how control starts. it will only make the nexus worse. and if you dont care, buy a Motorola turns out their in bed with verizon, you would deff get along with them too. and all the bloat ware.

          • You’ve picked a strange hill to fight and die on….

          • Binglut9

            what about reebok? Nike? American eagle? Every business promotes themselves on everything clothes, shoes etc….but i dont hear you complaining about them get a lige

          • Anonymous

            lige’s are like my favorite mythical animal.

          • Dr. Droid

            Blootzm3 is right, having Verizon on the back is you promoting them.  Such as when you buy a car they have the dumb license plate cover that has the dealers name on it, as well as the sticker on there which most people leave on.  They are using us for self promotion, why not pay for free marketing.

          • Tony Perez

            True, While I don’t mind the manufacturer logo or name on my car, it irritates me when I see a dealership who pops one of their stick on dealer name plates or license plate covers. At least the cover I can toss out. The sticker name plates are messy so I just avoid those dealers.

            We should also realize the carrier logo placement is indeed a form of marketing for the carrier and the result to us is a handset that might cost more if it had nothing on it because the carrier has to spend on more expensive forms of marketing.

          • Tony Perez

            There are people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on their cars and don’t complain about logos and the name of the manufacturer. We spend a few hundred on a mobile handset and some of us are whining about a VZW logo?! It’s called branding for a reason. Right now VZW has the largest and (overall) fastest 4G/LTE network in the United States. It’s also not the cheapest. I’m OK with people knowing I can afford to use their superior wireless services….event if they don’t know what the heck I’m using (if not an iPhone). By the way, I have an HTC Rezound.

      • NotRelevent.

        I’ve not looked a single Verizon app or logo on my nexus since I got. So it’s quite apparent that you don’t have to, and just trying to be a stupid troll.

    • Tim242

      I was going to say the exact same thing. Well said! +1!
      People invent ideas of what Nexus means.

    • Anonymous

      A Nexus device has little to nothing to do with sales! Why would anyone think a Nexus is meant to sell as much as they can, it’s not supposed to be a business model, it’s supposed to be a game changer! The Nexus shows all other consumers/OEMs/carriers etc. what Google’s Android can do!

      That’s it, make an awesome device, not something to greedily sell to as many people as they can…how dare you insult my trusty ol’ Nexus One…

      • Blootzm3


      • Anonymous

        Well said….fez gets it & hes from another country, why cant other people?

      • Anonymous

        While I agree with you that a Nexus should be a game changing device and not focused on sales, it seems that is what a Nexus is becoming. I am starting to think Google is getting wrapped up in competing and the numbers game. I dunno, maybe we just don’t know what they are planning. Maybe Nexus is changing and will never represent what it originally set out to represent. I hope I am wrong.

        • Tony Perez

          There was a time when Android needed manufacturer “skins” to enhance the functionality of Android. Google apparently has introduced developer talent into the mix and recent released of stock Android are elegant, attractive, and highly functional. If not for Nexus handsets, we might not know this. I believe Nexus handsets serve many purposes:
          – A tool for developers (Although any handset you can root can prodvide this)
          – A way for the non-technical consumer to see how good stock Android can be
          – A way for Google to give everyone another way to compare Android handsets to iPhones.
          – I way for purists to get their Android OS updates sooner (although recently that’s becoming less realistic).

          We can only guess what Google execs are planning for the near future. I would be shocked if they don’t take advantage of their ownership of Motorola Mobility to generate the first MotoNexus handset. I don’t know the numbers but I can’t imagine that HTC and Samsung have generated huge profits from the sale of Nexus handsets. Perhaps having Motorola Mobility manufacture a Nexus handset can relieve other manufacturers from this product line so they can focus on building high-quality handsets and their OS overlays. On that note, the better stock Android gets, I hope that manufacturers will design overlays that take less storage space and memory. Focus on your hardware and we’ll all be better off. What do you guys think?

    • Genius

      Did you read the entire article? If so I think you missed the point. Personally I couldn’t agree more with it, hopefully this isn’t the start of big red destroying the principal concept of the Nexus idea. 

      • Blootzm3

        verizons evil spreads and its affecting googles android product.

    • Alexander Garcia

      you’ve clearly missed the point and the principle of Kel’s rant.

    • I never said that the Nexus One or the original sales model was perfect. They had issues, which they recognized and tried to fix in the wrong way. Google can do better than this.

    • DO YOU NOT GET THE POINT?! Google has been RAPED in the ass by Verizon and what comes out is this Galaxy Nexus with crapware. Google is losing control and pissing off a lot of people.

    • not really bitching.. i think the “Nexus” device should just provide the “pure Google experience” without any carrier imprint on it. that verizon logo on the back is just… not cool. i just think everything went against the idea of Nexus with the Vexus. so i have the GSM Galaxy Nexus. i love it.

  • gadgetryan

    Verizon needs Android!! hell ya!! if not…i will have to move on to another carrier. What else am I gonna use? Blackberry? iphone?  I dont think so..especially coming from an LTE Device!! 

  • EC8CH

    “which has led to the worst Nexus we’ve seen yet”

    I see what you’re getting at, but in many ways this is the best nexus we’ve seen yet.

    Verizon will cave and allow Google Wallet, and the bloat that was added is understandable to a degree. So long as Google is in charge of the software updates on the G-Nex, the other concession they’ve made are acceptable to me.

    I agree though that the US wireless model of selling subsidized phones is messed up leaving too much power in the hands of the carriers which only hurts progress and consumer choice.

    • They aren’t, though. Google sends the software to Verizon, who actually makes and issues the software updates.

      • Anonymous

        Untrue. The mysid builds(vzlte) update directly from google. The souruce code for mysid and yakju updates are actually dumped into AOSP. I’d say thats good proof.

        • Anonymous

          (I’m not disagreeing)

          But if that’s true why haven’t we gotten 4.0.3 yet??

          • Just because they are in AOSP doesn’t mean that Google is the one with the final say on the official firmware updates. As a Verizon branded phone (as opposed to a Google-branded one), Verizon has the final say. Just like Sprint does for the Nexus S 4G.

          • Anonymous

            Ah, I figured as much. I want 4.0.3!!! Thanks

          • Josh Nichols

            Please.. just stop.

          • Anonymous

            Aside from what Conan Kudo has said, the other phones with 4.0.3 don’t have new radios in their builds.  The radios are what need to be tested by Verizon before they can just push the update.

          • QtDL

            Anyone know when this update is supposed to be rolling out to us?

          • Anonymous

            There’s no official timeline yet, but the thought is the middle of January.

          • Blootzm3

            just ask verizon, they have control.

          • Anonymous

            That’s the thing. There is only one phone with 4.0.3 and it’s the Nexus S, and it’s not even all of them. They halted the update. Would anyone like to blame the VZW battery cover on the rest of the world not getting 4.0.3 too?

          • Anonymous

            I have 4.0.3 on my VZW Galaxy Nexus from a rom.

          • Anonymous

            not sure really. the only phone that did get 4.0.3 ota was the nexus s and they halted the rollout on that update(not sure if it was restarted). Even yakju hasnt recieved it. The reason cuatom ROMs are running it and have new radios is because it was all dumped into AOSP by google.

      • Anonymous

        Is that true? Can we readers get confirmation on that? I personally don’t care too much either way, I’ll prob dive into a custom ROM soon enough anyway.

        But I still want to know how involved Verizon is with updates

        • Josh Nichols

          Google does updates for mysid and yakju devices.

          With probably an exception on radio updates.

  • Anonymous

    Seeing that T-Mobile is open to a sale, I think Google should make a bid.  Then they can release the phones they want, with Moto hardware, on their own network.  Then the other networks can conform or lose andriod

    • Anonymous

      That would be nice, but if you thought folks (namely the Gov’t) thought Google is a monopoly now can you imagine what they would think of them if they bid for a carrier?

      • It’s also illegal in the U.S. for a single company to own a phone maker and the network it runs on, thanks to various lawsuits by the DoJ against AT&T Corp over the course of the 50s through the 80s.

        • Bigbn73

          Nextel was owned partially by Moto and that was well after the 80s.

        • Kidheated

          That is great in all, but the golden rule still applies. This should be evident in our modern judicial system. There’s a loophole/way around for everything… that’s how lawyers make their living. I’m not putting anyone down, I’m just saying… it’s one of those death and taxes things.

        • Anonymous

          If they owned the carrier and the manufacturer would it still be a problem if they made a phone that could run on ANY carrier?

          • Yes. The problem lies in the fact that the U.S. market is overly dependent on the carriers for our equipment because of decades of proprietary entanglements (AMPS, D-AMPS, cdmaOne, CDMA2000, etc.). We don’t even use the latest version of the CDMA2000 standard that encourages network interoperability and device portability. We still use the original draft version that didn’t have those aspects in the standard.

            As far as acquiring T-Mobile USA is concerned, the problem would be that Google would be highly tempted to flood T-Mobile’s lineup with only their devices instead of encouraging an open market approach. However, Google can hold a minority stake in T-Mobile USA if Deutsche Telekom permitted them to. As it is right now, T-Mobile USA is 100% owned by Deutsche Telekom. If Deutsche Telekom decided to spin off its U.S. division and put up an IPO for it, then Google could purchase shares in T-Mobile USA up to 35%. Any more would potentially be a cause for concern for U.S. regulators.

      • Kidheated

        That is true and all, but flip it on its ear. apple’s original intent with the first *phone was to be their own carrier. And I’m sure they haven’t dropped that idea and are just lying in wait. Everything they are doing seems to be leading up to this end, albeit sometime way down the line. People see Google as being this multinational monster and slam everything they do, but not the same for apple. apple’s appetite for expansion is just as great as Google’s, if not more so. apple for some reason has this “we do no wrong” gleaming white image, but Google has a shadow cast on it. I bet if you could stand far enough back to see the shadow image, it would be in the shape of a fruit.

    • Anonymous

      It’s a great idea in theory, but it’s also an idea that gives antitrust regulators a hard on. They would have an absolute heyday if Google made an attempt to buy T-Mobile. Google could maybe do it, but they would have to agree that all devices sold wouldn’t be Android devices and certainly not all Motorola devices. They could possibly even be restricted from offering Google services on each individual phone even though other carriers clearly do (think Verizon and V-Cast and VZ Navigator). There would be so many restrictions on the deal if it was even approved that there’s no point. Plus, it would majorly upset the relationship with the remaining carriers. Why would Verizon, Sprint, or AT&T want to offer Android phones and give money to a rival carrier?

  • Anonymous

    Google isn’t challenging the carriers because all they want is 10 billion people using android phones – which leads to more revenue. It doesn’t matter to them how effected or “different” the phones are – as long as people are using Google’s back end services.

    They can’t bully carriers because they don’t own the supply chain, quite like Apple does. And frankly they need Verizon – they want more users.

  • Lam Nguyen

    Wow this post was well thought out and have been in the closet for a long time. And I agree with it 99%! The only thing I didn’t see “eye to eye” with was that the Nexus should be on all the other carriers. Well hell no! Verizon has been without a Nexus for almost 2 years, if anything, Verizon should be the ONLY carrier with a Nexus now.

    • Anonymous

      Disagree on your disagreement. I think you should be able to buy any phone you want and use it on any carrier you choose. Carrier exclusivity should be done away with.

  • Act of God

    Nice writeup Ron!

  • Good piece can’t agree enough

    • Kidheated

      I concur also. The Googes needs to pick up its balls and lay down some rules. Right now they are like a king that only listens to his advisers and makes no decisions of his own. apple is the exact opposite. apple basically does what it wants… why can’t Google follow suit? They can do the same, but just don’t have to be a dick about it, like apple. Whenever apple/Google is mentioned, they are mentioned, together, within a breathe of one another. If Google doesn’t rev it up, they will be overtaken. I mean, seriously, apple’s mission statement is to, according to the late Jobs, “Destroy  (Google) Android.” It seems like Google’s response to all this is, (shoulder shrug) “Meh.” I can understand “Secret Weapons” in development, but come’on! At least let your loyal populace know that you will not take fruity threats lying down.
      P.S. Though not huge at the moment, Windows Phone is also a viable threat. Not to take over a competitor, but to steal enough of a market share to be a nuisance, eventually… not to mention the patent trolling.

      • apple probably has a patent for demanding what you want. 

  • Erkleehoo

    Can I get an amen!

    • Witness In The Congregation

      AMENAAAAAAAAAAAA! Now put a dollar in the boxaaa!

  • Anonymous