Comments on: T-Mobile Responds to G2 Controversy, Calls Rooting Crowd “Small Subset” of Users

By: Hans

Hans — Fri, 27 May 2011 11:25:00 +0000

Legally, you have to hear it from them.

By: Thomas Flournoy

Thomas Flournoy — Fri, 27 May 2011 03:01:00 +0000

i would say that technically they arent taking away our rights because we always have the right to buy a phone that isnt locked down. but im a teenager, not a lawyer.

By: Everett Fitzgibbons

Everett Fitzgibbons — Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:50:16 +0000

lots of comments about rooting versus not rooting and the “what-if” scenarios of people hacking. The solution is easy. Instead of catering to the criminal element with lean penalties, impose greater harm to those who threaten the well-being of the many. We shouldn't hold the manufacturers responsible for securing their innovations – cripple the ones who abuse it!!! Fighting crime at the top never worked and isn't working in our society now – hurt the demand instead!!!!

By: Promotional

Promotional — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:51:42 +0000

Thanks for sharing your inspirational story! It’s amazing how big ventures start out with humble beginnings, right?

By: Carl Cloverfield Coyner

Carl Cloverfield Coyner — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:32:00 +0000

But the only problem is, if someone bricks their phone, they could easily just trow it into the street and let a few cars run over it then say they dropped it while crossing the street. Or you know, somthing like that.

By: Powerthree

Powerthree — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:08:25 +0000

There needs to be class action lawsuits against the wireless providers because they are tampering with our devices, not theirs. We are not leasing these phones, we are paying good money for them, and they are hacking, modifying and deleting on our phones against our will. I thought this kind of activity is considered a crime!

By: Michael

Michael — Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:44:18 +0000

I have read this that HTC is selling you a phone with no ability to upgrade versions of Android so if its kernel is version 2.2 you can't take it to 3. I mean if certain components are built into Read Only Memory then what happens if your new Android version needs to update a component in that read only memory?

So I highly doubt that this phone is unrootable.

This phone has either a very secure flash memory that they are calling ROM or they have thought of a way for updates to bypass any component that becomes obsolete with a new version of Android.

In either case what is stopping someone from exploiting HTCs method of updating this (secure Flash) Read Only Memory or building into their version a way to bypass these components like HTC would have to?

Or if these components are everlasting then I would never want a phone with that feature.

It means that if a security flaw is found for this phone it could NEVER be patched.
You could NEVER upgrade Versions of Android.
If you can update version of Android then the components that are in ROM will become LEGACY code like a frankenphone. an analogy is hard for this but here it goes. It would be like all of a sudden milk producers decided that it was best if gallon containers went away and every one used 1 1/2 containers. Well then one chain decide no that they were sticking with the Gallon containers but because of pricing they weer still going to charge you 1 1/2 pricing and tell you that you were getting 1 1/2 of milk but the other 1/2 gallon you just weren't going to get.

By: MattInPDX

MattInPDX — Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:48:00 +0000

Wow, do you work for a phone manufacturer? Because this is exactly what they want you to believe, they want you to believe that we NEED their, rootkit or super security method that doesn’t allow rooting for OUR OWN GOOD.

By: Phimphone Dunseith

Phimphone Dunseith — Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:49:20 +0000

The PS3 had read only memory and it was unlocked. No matter how smart HTC engineers think they are, there is always someone smarter then them.
http://hackaday.com/2010/01/27/ps3-exploit-released/

By: mikeym0p

mikeym0p — Sun, 10 Oct 2010 08:25:15 +0000

Sooner or later, after all of the manufacturers lock down their phones. They're going to turn rootability into a marketing ploy xD

They'll sell the fact that you can root the new phone and none of the other phones.
I hope it never ends up like that

By: JFKempf

JFKempf — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:00 +0000

I’ve found that a goodly portion of apps can be forced to SD via Titanium Backup. I successfully run Flash from SD. Caveat, though: Unless you have something above Class 2 SD, you will notice increasing slowdowns of scans/redraws the more you put on the card.

By: BAoxymoron

BAoxymoron — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:15:12 +0000

yeah it might make us more sharp assuming there is a work around(doubt that seeing as how system software is seemingly a type of OTP ROM or PROM all though it could possibly be EAROM aka just not easily rewritable) but when knives get sharper and sharper more people are scared off and in the end it hurts the community… for example many of my friends refuse to put roms on their droid x and droid 2 because if the rom breaks they can't get to a recovery menu and that isn't worth it to them

By: Adam F

Adam F — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:45:27 +0000

Honestly, I am thinking about this differently; what if manufacturers are doing this to keep the rooting and modding community sharp? I bet you this new method gets a work around in a few weeks. This is just another eFuse debacle.

By: BAoxymoron

BAoxymoron — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:07:50 +0000

Doesn't this violate the DMCA exemption that EFF requested(which was approved) and if so doesn't that mean a class action law suit would be entirely warranted?

By: Jdellingson7

Jdellingson7 — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:45:42 +0000

Do you fit the average user category? ha ha Dude c'mon. Rooting isn't rocket science and you have to try really hard to brick your phone. At least give me the freedom of choice to screw up my phone, since i paid for it.