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HTC Calls Samsung Galaxy S4 the “Next Big Flop”

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Life is funny at times. One minute you are on top of the world – the next, you are sitting rock bottom, wondering how on Earth you will ever scrape by. In some cases, we see humans (or companies) put their last and best foot forward in an attempt to salvage whatever is left. It can be uplifting, inspirational even. It can also be incredibly embarrassing as desperation sets in, leading to decisions or choices that one would normally not make. Last night, HTC unfortunately fit the latter as Samsung took over New York City to announce the Galaxy S4

Before the event even began, we snapped the photo you are seeing above. It’s a hired hand that HTC paid to walk around the line of press and fans waiting to get into Samsung’s event. There were a number of these girls who offered up snacks and drinks to those standing in the cold. It was a sneaky move, but not one I would necessarily say was outrageous or offensive. If you have a new phone on the horizon and your competitor is throwing an event, you should probably make an appearance of some sort. Companies have done this for years.

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But it’s the few minutes after the event had started that HTC kicked it up a notch – this is also where things turned for the worse. You see that Tweet above, the one that takes a shot at Samsung’s production and then calls its next phone the “next big flop?” Yes, that actually happened. In fact, the Tweet is still there.

That’s not all though. If you take a look through HTC’s list of retweets, you’ll see nothing but retweets and responses to anything negative that Twitter users were saying about the Galaxy S4.

Both their CMO and president of sales have come out to express their feelings as well, using terms like “embarrassing” when referring to Samsung’s stage show. They called the phone “more of the same” and said that Samsung appears to have spent more on marketing than innovation.

Look, I get it. You are down and you need to do anything necessary to get your name in the news. Hey, it worked, we’re talking about it! But at some point, there is a level class that needs to be upheld even as a competitor – at least in my book. With the game on the line, you don’t walk under Kobe Bryant’s last second jumper, knowing full well he could be injured on the way down. You don’t slap Blake Griffin in the groin because he beat you to the spot. You don’t blind side the quarterback after a pick in an attempt to “block” for the return because it’s the one time you can technically get a full shot at him without penalty. It’s dirty and you look like a fool during and after the fact.

We still don’t know which of the two phones here is the best. That may be up for debate for an entire year. We’ll have time in the very near future to fully compare them both and generate our own conclusions. After having both in hand, I’ll admit that it’s tough to deny that the HTC One is nothing short of being one of the best phones we have seen in some time, because of its premium build and incredible specs. But until the day comes that we can all get our hands on each, I hope we aren’t forced to see this play out publicly.

Stay classy.

Via:  @HTC

  • An

    Many of the Droid-Life people here do the same thing about the iPhone –should “stay classy” apply to them as well?

    I’m an Android phone owner myself –but I’d say being classy should extend to all of us here too, not just HTC (whose move does smack of petty rudeness).

  • Dave

    I would almost be willing to bet that on a global scale, the Samsung will outsell the HTC even if you only count their pre orders.

  • T4rd
  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.kane.7545 Michael Kane

    HTC One Dimentions: 137.4 x 68.2 x 9.3 mm –143g / 4.7 (468ppi) in screen:2300mah battery
    Galaxy S4: 136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm — 130g /4.99(441ppi) in screen:2600mah battery

    For starters, the galaxy s4 blow away the one. Thinner, lighter, larger screen while the phone size is 95% the same size as the htc one with a larger battery.

    Speaking of innovation, the 2 big things that are on the S4 that are over the One is the PHOLED screen (almost the same ppi but they went further to get better battery life out of it) and the ability to use both cameras during vidoe or still shots. I have been waiting for this ability….

    You know the S5 will probably have the unbreakable flexible screen sigh….
    Thats what i think….HTC one is out…. just wondering if Google is going to trump this with a Motorola Nexus X phone…..i get tingles :D

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.kane.7545 Michael Kane

      Oh i forgot to say S4 has a REMOVEABLE BATTERY and an SD CARD SLOT! What more can you ask for?

  • M.Beg

    HTC knows best

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1198252656 Jeff Kerstetter

    HTC One, Note II, or Galaxy S4? I genuinely can’t decide. I view A LOT of documents on my phone, so the Note II could be the choice here, especially since it has an SD slot, but I am just not sure. Thoughts?

  • Pennyman

    What many people dont remember is that Samsung crashed HTC One’s launch by issueing news about S4’s release. So it is a payback from HTC.

  • DanSan

    haha HTC is in no position to make fun of anyone…. or make fun of the galaxy line especially with the 30 difference variations of their “one” line. if this new “one” doesnt work out, they will be right back to worrying about operating in the red. oh btw HTC lets talk about your absolutely horrible earnings for the past year or so…

  • EvanTheGamer

    lol…stupid HTC and their so-called antics. They are nothing and they know it and Samsung knows it. Plus doing what they did is just childish behavior. You think doing THAT will convince people NOT to purchase a SGS4 even if they already had their minds made up? 100% doubt it.

    Sure, I do agree that Samsung’s so-called presentation WAS in fact a flop, but the SGS4 will surely not be. It will probably end up being the most talked about phone this year, not to mention the phone with the most sales. HTC does not know what kind of can of worms they opened.

  • Chris King

    even if separately they don’t have enough money to go after samsung the other big 3 should collectivelygo after Samsung an apple to try to level the playing field up at

  • Rodeojones000

    Do not take this as defending what HTC did, but isn’t insulting a competitor and trying to one-up them EXACTLY what Samsung has been doing for years regarding Apple?

  • http://www.facebook.com/steven.elliott.524596 Steven Elliott

    Eh. HTC has never appealed to me in the first place. If I had to choose between the two, I would have picked the S4.

  • Chris King

    this is what Samsung did to Apple I don’t see the problem

  • Rodeojones000

    Holy crap, I went to high school with the girl in the picture.

  • Daistaar

    HTC is going to get Woodhouse’d lol #dontgetwoodhoused

  • http://twitter.com/WaltPartlo Walter Partlo

    Seeing competition that is above you, and resorting to name calling to try to bring them back to your level? It is good to see that HTC is taking Samsungs’s approach and copying Apple.:P

  • ChrisI

    I think we can all be honest here though: the One is a better build design. And how many of you would buy the S4 at full retail vs. the HTC One Developer Edition at full retail if they both came on Verizon?

    • http://twitter.com/mxfox408 Jake Fox

      I’d buy the S4 mainly because Samsung doesn’t abandon their phones after a year *cough* Rezound *cough

      • ChrisI

        But does that not become an irrelevant issue if you’re purchasing a developer edition? This whole community is about the ability to customize and tweak and root and ROM and tether and all this cr@p. You don’t need to worry about abandonment if you have complete control of your phone anyway. Just curious.

        • Bionicman

          not to mention there isn’t a huge dev community on HTC phones like the ones that the samsung phones have. i think if all you care about is build quality, get an HTC One because its a nicely built piece of hardware. but if you want more out of your phone (better camera, more software features) then its hard to pass up the S4.

        • http://twitter.com/mxfox408 Jake Fox

          Another thing I left out is removable storage and a removable battery, whic HTC has abandoned in order to “innovate.” If I wanted to limit myself I’d buy an iPhone.

  • GregSki86

    Karma is a b*tch, watch the ONE flops as all HTC phone’s do and Samsung ends up buying them out lmao

  • Superguy

    HTC should be an expert in recognizing flops. It’s last several phones have been flops.

  • http://iamandroid.co/profile/rocktoonz Rocktoonz

    Funny, I don’t remember anyone calling Samsung classless and foolish for doing EXACTLY the same kinds of things when Apple releases new iPhones.

  • Futbolrunner

    I’d put it in her butt

  • M.Beg

    Welcome to plastic Samsung where all the workers have 2 inch penis or smaller.

    • Mike Snyder

      WTF does anything you said here have to do with the topic at hand? You know what? I don’t even care. Clearly you have no insight, intelligence, nor ability to form cognitive thought patterns. Just STFU and GTFO.

    • Jared Tau

      This made Coke come out of my nose

  • Corey Foltman

    i semi agree with htc…maybe is should be called the Galaxy S3S or S3+. They tweaked it to keep the specs relevant for another year. nothing mindblowing.

  • NexusMan

    Kellen, sorry, I have to disagree with you on this one. How is this so bad, yet LG got praised yesterday by many for posting an ad just above Samsung’s, copying their advertising scheme? Also, the day before Samsung’s event, Apple blasted Android in a well timed interview. Additionally, Apple was deemed as “innovative,” “creative,” and “smart” for blasting Windows for years…portraying Windows and it’s users as boring, stale, out of shape and out of touch nerds. And are we forgetting the all out advertising kick ass Samsung has unleashed on Apple for the past year or so? In fact, “The Next Big Thing” slogan is a DIRECT reference to Apple’s iPhone, so if thy can be on the attack against Apple, it’s fair game for HTC to appropriate it and use “The Next Big Flop,” against Samsung, should they choose. If Apple was smart, they would have done it first. This type of thing is nothing new, so why does HTC need to bear the moral burden?

    • http://twitter.com/Belatukadro Justtyn Hutcheson

      Also, let’s not forget that Samsung has been ungraciously slamming their competition for the better part of the last year in their advertising. They are not a victim here. This is not a “low blow” by any stretch of the imagination. While I somewhat agree that HTC didn’t do themselves any favors, they at least gave it a shot, and created a rather amusing hashtag to appropriate for other things.

  • roberthenderson

    for me it’s not about what is legal or fair, it is about staying classy. And that was definitely not classy.

  • Austin Warren

    HTC sure knows how to make themselves look stupid.

  • roberthenderson

    give those HTC people a sponge and tell them to suck it up. I have visions of groups of HTC nerds in short sleeve dress shirts with black ties laugh/snorting pushing up there taped in the middle glasses while
    repeatedly saying ‘the next big flop’.

  • Johnny5

    Well said. The frustrating thing, to me, is that this perpetuates the concept of Trolling in Advertising. The vast majority of consumers aren’t following smartphone releases as closely as some. HTC is trying to rile up this specific segment of people who are most likely to go online, talk smack and rehash the negativity about the S4 — because HTC knows that those people will do so automatically. It’s the same mentality that we all HAVE to pick sides these days and bash the other side, just because we have the means to do it.

  • lou louie

    They don’t know what “Off-Broadway” means. They are using the term as an insult to the production but Off-Broadway only refers to the theater size, not the theater’s location, or quality of the show. HTC is mad because their gimmicks suck while Samsung’s gimmicks sell.

    • NexusMan

      Off-Broadway, has a general connotation (whether deserved or not) as being lesser than Broadway. So they in fact were playing off of that.

  • Ghee Buttersnaps

    Let’s be honest… If you’re going to take shots at a competitor (a la Samsung at Apple), you want the shots to be clever, brilliant, or at least very funny (with maybe some nuggets of truth buried in there). Samsung’s commercials fit this, so did LG’s billboards. HTC just seemed to be throwing juvenile social media troll shots, not really worthy of the One’s status and potential.

    • Tirionfive

      I will paste what I copied from a section I did down below:

      Still not a wise decision to piss off competitors. You don’t want to make them sue your ass for patent infringement. HTC are acting like children and I hope they get their just deserts. No doubt Samsung has done the same thing to Apple, but Samsung got their comeuppance in the form of a $1 billion lawsuit. What if HTC falls so low and Samsung decides to pull a MS (Pulling Apple’s head out of their own ass) on HTC? HTC will feel like the fool.

  • NemaCystX

    Let the consumers decide, sales will definitely be the deciding factor here as to who is the victor, not the people in this comments section

    I am disappointed in the lackluster upgrade for the S4 vs the S3, not to mention that Samsung radios have more issues than HTC’s. But then again, you have a bigger battery on the S4 and HTC’s battery is usually not as good. There are pros and cons for both devices, but I personally want the HTC One, the materials used and quality of the build and the UI (nicer than TW i think) is what I like about it, not to mention its absolutely gorgeous

    But of course the HTC One could be a Ferrari with a V6 engine and people would still like it, you don’t have to have the fastest car to have a head turner, just sayin

    • hkklife

      If Moto would hurry up and do *something*, thry could make HTC and Samsung look like 2nd-tier efforts, which is basically what DL was founded upon in the first place!

      As far as HTC goes, they seem to be in full-on panic mode. They have no 5″ phones other than the one-off DNA, no phablets, no tablets, and still don’t “get” the concept of high-capacity batteries.. They are a one trick pony that happens to be playing to much smaller audiences than Samsung’s 3 ring extravaganza. Again, the quickest way out of this mess is to scale Sense back dramatically and/or offer at least a handful of handsets with stock Android.

      • LionStone

        There is a reason that HTC doesn’t need to plop in a big fat removable battery to sacrifice their amazing build…because they have high efficiency with the battery that they use, (judging on the DNA). The S4 will need every bit of the extra 300mAh that it has over the One. I’m willing to bet the battery life will be similar even though the battery on the S4 is bigger.

  • bkDJ

    “With the game on the line, you don’t walk under Kobe Bryant’s last second jumper, knowing full well he could be injured on the way down. You don’t slap Blake Griffin in the groin because he beat you to the spot. You don’t blind side the quarterback after a pick in an attempt to “block” for the return because it’s the one time you can technically get a full shot at him without penalty.”

    Could you try this in terms someone not into sports could understand? :)

  • USAndroid

    so the answer is hidden in HTC’s own tweet… #theNextBigFlop #HTCOne

    HTC shouldn’t think that One is AMAZING, aluminum is a plus, but the overall design is pretty awful as for a company which wants to compete with marketin giant Apple and tech giant SAMSUNG!

    the only weirdly aligned microUSB and LED through the speaker are enough to FIRE ALL HTC’s design team on day One of its creation.

    Galaxy S4 does look MEH, but it doesn’t pretend that it’s a stunning design.
    HTC pretends that One is almost perfect.

    • Harsh Karn

      And that non clickable HTC button between back and home. What was HTC thinking !!!

      • NemaCystX

        You have to put your logo somewhere, the carrier logos will probably go on the top under the speaker grille

        I have to admit though, the placement of the home button is an odd one but it could be for ergonomic reasons, holding the phone with one hand could very easily be that reason. try hitting the home button on the S3 while holding it with just one hand. Not easy, some people would struggle to do that on that large of a device. I think this design choice was better than having a big hulking button in the bottom middle like on the Galaxy S3, Note 2 and S4. A waste of hardware space that could’ve been used for either a smaller bezel or stereo speakers like on the galaxy player

        Everyone has their opinion, but here’s mine, I like the HTC One more than I do the S4 and you guys might like the S4, I don’t care

        • zurginator

          Depends on how you hold it.

          I think people have gotten too used to grabbing phones with their fingers on the left side, and palm on the right. This was fine for small phones, but not so much these larger ones.

          As I got my first phone a 4″, I never learned to hold them like that, so I can reach all corners of a Note 2 easily…. even with my extremely small fingers.

    • NemaCystX

      the location of the microUSB is because of the stereo speaker location, if they didn’t put it off to the side, the speaker wouldn’t be there. who cares if its not in the middle, i think the addition of stereo front facing speakers is a great one. You have to look at it from a designers point of view before you can complain about why this wasn’t like this or why this choice was made instead of this.

      The HTC One is almost perfect, its got a gorgeous design, it has a nicer UI than TW, the build quality isn’t plastic, HTC radios are awesome compared to Sammy’s, it has front facing stereo speakers (don’t see that on any other device on the market yet) its got a curved back to make it feel smaller than it actually is, the screen is absolutely gorgeous and not over-saturated like Samsung’s AMOLED screens and HTC is usually good with updating its software. HTC could indeed have a good advantage to software this time around too since it will have just one model design to deal with, that have a few hardware variants. That alone makes getting updates rolled out much faster. I hope the HTC One gives them a better chance to compete against Apple and Sammy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sally-Squatengotit/100002286559470 Sally Squatengotit

    I see nothing wrong with the way HTC handled themselves. Nothing wrong with trying to take some wind out of Sammy’s sails or should I say, “sales”.

    • NemaCystX

      they didn’t call the S4 the next big flop, they watched the presentation given to announce it. They called the presentation the nextbigflop. Look at the previous Unpacked events, terrible presentation, the Note 2’s was even worse than the S3’s was

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000829314863 Gary Serrano

    Personally, I think it was awesome of HTC to do that. They need to stay relevant and since the HTC One has gotten such positive response so far, it puts Apple and Samsung in a position to actually need to compete. They [Apple & Samsung] have become stale.

  • Dean

    I agree with everything except about not taking a shot at a QB. If a player has an open and legal shot at a QB he better take it.

  • Tim242

    HTC did not call the S4 a flop. They called the performance of the show a flop. That was the cheesiest mess I have ever seen.

    • NemaCystX

      Your right, they called it a broadway performance and I’m pretty sure a phone isn’t a broadway performance lol

      Nice catch

    • http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamalter Adam Alter

      I think that’s a stretch, given the wording. Regardless, perception is reality and it’s clear how it was received. Since HTC doesn’t have the passionate fan base to get a bandwagon rolling to push, defend, and spin this, all I see getting from it is a little free press and citations to help their brand authority online, neutral result at best.

      I’m always amazed at the people companies hire and/or use to represent them in social media. The lack of experience and judgement they have clearly shows in their actions. The fact that they used #theNextBigFlop followed directly by #HTCOne is proof in itself. Unfortunately there are so many social media blabber mouths out there using bot programs to pick up followers and likes to look like social media gurus. Companies are fooled constantly in the interviewing process resulting in hiring knuckleheads.

  • LjHe80

    I will have to admit that the show that Samsung put on last night was terrible. The phone rocks, but the acting and show was embarrassing.

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Fully agree, the show was pretty much terrible. With that said, at least it wasn’t “and up next, our director of design to show a promo video and try to brag about how awesome it is. And “up next is our president to talk about global sales.” And “up next is our CEO to attempt to show off features only to have the WiFi die and the demo fail.”

      At least Samsung tried something different. Hopefully others will try to break away from the standard boring old press event.

      • LjHe80

        And I guess especially if you do this for a living you would want a little variety in all the press conferences you go to.

      • MichaelFranz

        Agreed, while the presentation Samsung gave was probably a bit much and poor acting. We didnt see the typical, CEO of this, head of that, director of this that and them approach. Samsung is smart and i’ll give them that, they will learn from it and next year will be better at it. I’d be surprised if they made it worse or the same then this.

        But really this was directed and the millions who would of been watching just to see the new features and oooh and ahhh over them. Just remember when the galaxy nexus and ICS annoucement and they couldnt get face unlock to work….big fail…acting out is a much more brilliant approach on it to highlight the feature and make you want to try it on your own

      • Butters619

        It was pretty funny watching all the tweets from tech writers about how everybody stopped paying attention.

      • NemaCystX

        I agree, Its getting pretty obnoxious that everyone seems to want to imitate how Steve Jobs did his presentations with every Press Conference or Keynote now…

      • EvanTheGamer

        That would have been SO MUCH better. If it ain’t break, why try to fix it? That presentation “formula” doesn’t need to be changed. I don’t need to be entertained, but educated on all the many features that the SGS4 offers and all the many things it can do. I’d have must rather watched some dude talk about the phone rather than watch what I watched.

      • avanthomme

        I love how rational and logical your arguments are. Wise mind.

    • LjHe80

      I understand why they are trying to market the phone as a life companion, but I wish we could take the drama out of trying to sell a phone.

    • EvanTheGamer

      Completely 100% agreed. They should have just went with, one person talks about the phone for a bit, then introduces a new person, then introduces a new person, etc, and then end of show. Give me a break Samsung! No one needs to see such THAT kind of presentation.

    • Tyler

      They gave us something that the average Joe Schmo could watch and not have it go over there head. Yeah for us techies it was awful but the average consumer wants to see all the cool new things they can do with a new phone. Which works when everyone and there mother could see the event.

      • EvanTheGamer

        No one that does not know how to “properly” handle such a phone should even own this kind of phone anyways. If they can’t understand all the “technobabble” then they shouldn’t own this phone.

        But then again, half or more of Samsung’s consumer base doesn’t know half the things that most actual Android enthusiasts know(like how to root and ROM devices, etc).

        • TapYouOutRealQuick

          It’s not up to you to decide how tech savvy a person should be before purchasing a smart phone. It’s never too late for “most” people to learn. For you to even make a comment like that means you think the S4 is pretty Hi-Tech. I think the S4 will be a nice uprade to millions of people depending on the phone they are coming from. As far as it being the worst presentation ever, I guess you forgot about the I*hone 4S anus tongue punch fest where every Isheep was applauding every knock off feature that had been available in Android for at least 2 years like it was the second coming.

      • jeesung

        I’ll check with my mom how she liked the event.

  • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

    I hate it when people get all but hurt. The S4 will do well and still sell more units than the One. I know htc had some things to say about the even last night. Was it cheesy? Yea but im glad someone had the balls to try something other than the same always boring format. Htc could learn a thing or two from LG and how to actually troll someone

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Seriously, LG’s banner move in Times Square is how you get it done. Brilliant move. But don’t take the Apple approach, which is send Phil Schiller to Bloomberg and WSJ to interview the day before an event to act a fool. And don’t take HTC’s Twitter route, which is how 15 year olds talk trash.

      • zepfloyd

        Phil SHILLER to the Press was completely sour grapes, a very obvious nod to weakness, and full of outlandishly false and foolish drivel that even Apple fan sites otherwise deep in denial panned him. From our perspective it was the best thing Apple could have done. They know they are behind.

        • Joel Gautraud

          What’s great is that Phil ended up being wrong about the “one year old” software. Android 4.2.2. The latest version… kinda makes me wonder if Samsung was working with 4.1.x and pushed hard to make sure it launched on 4.2.2.

          • zepfloyd

            Phil can kiss my @ss.

      • Butters619

        The Phil Schiller thing was embarrassing. It’s one thing to troll in your commercials and billboards (and actually pretty funny), but it’s sad when you have your Senior VP of Worldwide Marketing say some exaggerated and one off comments in such a public setting.

      • NemaCystX

        But didn’t Sammy do that last year against Apple with its “The Next Big Thing is already here” campaign?

        • S2556

          I dont remember them bashing on twitter… did they?

  • blah

    If the ONE really comes out on VZW, I’m going to have a tough time recommending which one to the wife.

    • NemaCystX

      Most women go for snazzy or beautiful so I can almost peg the HTC One as being the easier handset to describe. I personally dislike the cheap plastic feel of Samsung’s phones, after the Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy S3, I think I’m done with Sammy, had problems with both and the quality isn’t as good as my previous HTC phones and I’ve had 3

      I was willing to give Samsung another chance and bought the S3 off contract but it suffers from problems and horrible build quality as well. The amoung of money there making off these handsets is absurd to still offer cheap plastic devices.

  • Rick Lopez

    It looks like Samsung spent some marketing $ to get the DLcrew out to NY for the night. What HTC is doing is no different then what Samsame did to Apple. Let’s not be biased.

    • http://www.facebook.com/LoganQBerry Logan Berry

      I was going to say the same thing, I’m glad someone else realizes this. I’m pretty sure I’ve read on here something along the lines of ‘Samsung continues their bold approach that we’ve come to like” back when Samsung was going after Apple, but now it’s not ok? How much is Sammy paying you guys?

      • zurginator

        I think it’s more the fact that it’s Android Vs Android rather than Android Vs iOS.

        They’d probably be cool with HTC bashing Apple, for instance.

  • itznfb

    Honestly if I was deciding between these two phones it would come down to which one has the best LTE radio. I’d probably lean toward the One even though I hate Sense. I much prefer the 4.7″ screen over the 5″ screen I can’t use one handed.

    • Tim242

      Oh really now? The phones are the same height and width.

      • JoshGroff

        It’s all about dat bezel. ;)

        • NemaCystX

          Yeah, and that bezel can be a pain if its not large enough to not get touch input when your just holding the damn thing, I am tired of the lockscreen on the S3 thinking I’m trying to unlock it when I’m just holding the damn thing in my hand. The bezel had a purpose, and while it seems like the craze for “floating” screens and edge-to-edge displays have boomed lately, I prefer a bezel that doesn’t take input when I’m just holding the damn thing in my hand, yeah it might be smaller or sexier as far as a design standpoint when it is thinner, but i prefer a functional one over one that just gets in the way and is annoying

          Save the floating screens and edge-to-edge for non-touch displays…

          • JoshGroff

            Fair point, although I’ve never had a problem with a bezel being too small, but I guess it all depends on how you hold your phone.

      • itznfb

        Same size or not. I have small hands and if I position my hand so that my thumb can reach the bottom far corner then I can’t reach top far corner of a 5″ screen. I can on a 4.7″ screen. Bezel or no bezel.

  • http://twitter.com/PackFanJason Jason

    Let’s see:

    S4 riding the S3 wave.
    S4 unlocked bootloader.
    S4 has TouchWiz. Not great but better than Sense.

    One has no wave to ride.
    One has no unlocked bootloader unless you buy the “developer edition”
    One has the Sense 5 WP8 wannabe.

    One is a great device but HTC needs to shut up because they’ve been irrelevant for a long time. How long will it take them to upgrade the HTC One to Android 4.2.2 or Android 5.0?

    • frankandsimple

      This is the first time I’m hearing someone say touchwiz is better than Sense. I thought it was universally accepted that among Android Overlays.. Sense was by far better than any other overlays. But then I took a brief hiatus from Android.. this was back like a year ago or more.

      • BulletTooth_Tony

        Sense hasn’t been better in years. Touchwiz is the better than Sense, and stock since version 4, by miles. Shockingly, LG’s Optimus UI is the one nipping at their heels.

        • Mike

          TouchWiz is freaking terrible. How is it better than anything?

          • JoshGroff

            Features maybe, definitely not in the cartoonish look of the UI.

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            Cartoonish? Where? Does stock have photo realistic iconography or a smiley face messaging icon?

          • JoshGroff

            I was largely referring to the “photo realistic” icons. Also, who doesn’t like a smiley face icon. ;)

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            Clearly you’ve never used it. Please take your hyperbole and go use it on Fox News’ comments section with the rest of your ilk.

          • NemaCystX

            TouchWiz is horrible in comparison to Sense, Sense is more polished in looks and feel than TouchWiz. the horrible color combinations that Samsung has used as well as the launcher layout is blah

            I’ve had 2 HTC androids and 2 Samsung androids, so i’m not being biased

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            You’ve clearly never had a Sense phone since the Hero or Windows Mobile, or a Samsung phone since the original Galaxy S then. Sense adds nothing feature wise, just useless junk. Touchwiz adds a considerable amount to stock Android. From something it shares with Sense as simple as a T9 dialer and Facebook integration. To others Sense does not… like the best camera app on Android. The best Calendar app. The best Contacts app which added functionality. Notification panel toggles that actually work. The best gallery app with multiple views and video previews. Motion controls add functionality. Smart Stay and Smart Rotate actually work and aren’t useless gimmicks as stock fanbois like to believe. The entire package, is simply the best Android experience available. Bar none.

        • NemaCystX

          Says who? Are you a developer?

      • r0lct

        IMO the TW on SG3/Note 2 leap frogged all other skins. Sense is holdover from Windows Mobile days and we only helpful before GB when Android native reached feature parity with Sense.

    • NemaCystX

      Sense stared on Windows with “Manila” as the name or “TouchFlo”

      Sense IS better than TouchWiz, I’ve used both, have you?
      One will have an unlocked bootloader on some carriers but not all, HTC just announced the Developer edition for the ones that will be locked

      HTC has its fans and if they market this one as aggressively as they did the teaser campaign, as well as on TV, magazine ads, radio etc, It will give them a chance, HTC made too many variants of models they offered, that is what killed them, they would have to sell a ton of each variant to get a decent profit to continue the multiple variants strategy each generation. It just costs far too much to make a model, market it and release it and have multiple variants to support.

      The strategy this time around is a smart move and it will save them a ton of money launching on all carriers with one variant. Not to mention software updates will come much faster since it would be massively less hardware to support.

      I think You forgot a few bullet points in your rant:

      One – Better build quality
      One – Better radios
      One – Better screen

      S4 – Plastic!!
      S4 – Horrible radios with problems of connectivity and range (my ThunderBolt gets better coverage than my S3 or Galaxy Nexus does in the same areas)
      S4 – Samsung’s screens are always over-saturated and have massive glare and battery drain

      • http://twitter.com/PackFanJason Jason

        Yes, I’ve used both TouchWiz and Sense. Sense is slow and bloated. Always has been. One of the greatest things to happen to the Thunderbolt was S-OFF to allow AOSP ROM’s and get rid of that crap. Sense 4.x on the One series is better but not much better. TouchWiz is at least responsive (icons are ugly though).

        Build quality and screen saturation are in the eye of the beholder. My Galaxy Nexus is just fine to my eyes and touch.

        Bootloaders are unlocked for Samsung. S3 was unlocked on every carrier but Verizon and that fell quickly to the devs. There are still HTC devices that are S-ON. Having to buy a developer edition is NOT the answer. When I buy a phone it becomes MY property. I’m not leasing it.

        Thunderbolt radio signal? Seriously? I tossed my Thunderbolt for my Galaxy Nexus. Thunderbolt radio sucked. My Galaxy Nexus radios are slightly better than my old Thunderbolt in my opinion but GNex radios are definitely its weak link. Not to mention my battery life is actually worth talking about unlike the Thunderbolt.

  • JonathonFlores

    Lol those are some extreme comparisons. It’s not like HTC is sabotaging Samsung. I don’t think anything they’ve done is “dirty”. They feel they have the superior device and they’re having a laugh (even If it is far from the truth, based on opinion). Let em make it big guy lol

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Not saying sabotage, just saying their dirty cheap shots that make them look foolish.

      • JonathonFlores

        Hahaha I get you. Not to make a mountain out of a mole hill (I think that’s the saying ha) but I just think it was bit over the top. The Kobe incident and Blake Griffin situation. Those hurt. This doesn’t hurt Sammy at all. Their commercials mock Apple religiously. No different in my mind.

      • Jordan Marrie

        How was that a “dirty cheap shot”. Either way you look at it, the performance or “show” during the reveal or the phone itself. I don’t think HTC crossed the line on this tweet only because it’s Business as usual.

        I’m not sure i heard anyone from Droid-Life saying that Samsung took “dirty cheap shots” at apple during their whole S3 marketing campaign (I’m no apple fan by a stretch). It may make them look foolish, but you DID watch the performance right?

      • Mike

        We should call this site “Samsunglife” the bias is getting ridiculous.

        • Jordan Marrie

          Might as well be.

        • JoshGroff

          It’s not their fault Samsung is top dog right now.

        • r0lct

          You must be part of the crowd wanting to call it Nexus life a few months ago.

          But as you see the opinion changes with the phones. Currently Samsung is killing it, no reason for that not be reflected on DL.

          When another OEM outdoes the GS/Note phones then they’ll ride the next wave of hype.

      • http://twitter.com/Belatukadro Justtyn Hutcheson

        Sorry, but this “shot” is not dirtier or cheaper than some of the advertising that Samsung has done bashing Apple and the rest of their competitors. While I don’t condone negative advertising in general, praising what were childish antics against Apple and condemning HTC for doing something no less childish is absurd.

  • frankandsimple

    HTC gets my thumbs up for innovation and design.. Even the HTC
    thunderbolt had good external build quality compared to Galaxy Nexus (which sucked internally and externally) or
    any of the plastic toys that Samsung puts out with their cartoonish
    Touchwiz.

    HTC was the first to deploy 720p and 1080p RGB screens instead of the pentile crap that Samsung is so much in love with.

    Though I am an android user and I prefer iphones… HTC has my vote.

    • http://twitter.com/pat0915 Patrick Costello

      as a thunderbolt user it took way to long for both gingerbread (and surprisingly) ice cream sandwich to come out. and the battery life on the thunderbolt(even with the extended battery) sucks

      • frankandsimple

        battery problems and fragmentation are some of the universal woes in the android world. Either 1 or both exist throughout.

        • http://twitter.com/pat0915 Patrick Costello

          but with the htc it was both and it was touted as the Best phone on verizon for months before release… im just bitter though :-)

          • frankandsimple

            I owned a thunderbolt for several months.. did all kindsa customizations with it… I was just glad it was the first LTE phone and I honestly just got into the habit of keeping several additional batteries. I never had any real software problems with the thunderbolt.. neither saw any drops in connectivity etc. Maybe I just got lucky.. I don’t know. But when it came out, it was the best Verizon had to offer I believe.

          • NemaCystX

            No, your just misinformed, Verizon marketed it that way because they knew it wasn’t and fooled consumers into thinking that so they would buy it and then coax them into getting another one later that year because of the known problems with it. Verizon has a pretty devious strategy that seems to be coming to light more and more as time passes. Look at how gimped some handsets were just because of Verizon, look at how they screwed up the Galaxy Nexus launch and quickly retired the device before it was even a year old. There strategy is to intentionally hold back features to give those withheld features on that handset to a future one to give it more appeal to the one that purchased the previous one without that feature.

            Look at the DROID DNA, it was intentionally given less internal storage and no microSD slot because they knew about the HTC One.

            Look at the DROID 3, it launched shortly before the DROID Bionic and didn’t have an LTE radio, the following DROID 4 had one.

            There strategy is pretty interesting but also devious at best because it forces the user into buying one off contract if they really dislike their device and have buyers remorse and want the device that came out after it with the features missing from the one they purchased.

            Maybe that will go by the wayside and carriers won’t have any say once Contracts go away, but Europe and Asia have it better than us unfortunately as far as how devices are released. So much greed and lack of care for their customers here…. its pitiful

        • ERIC REED

          But timely update problems should not exist…and HTC has that problem.

          • NemaCystX

            Updates might not be as difficult since they are going to focus on one design this time around, so less hardware variants to deal with and less software variants, which could improve how updates roll out, massively

      • NemaCystX

        I really wish people would get it about the true reason the ThunderBolt sucked.

        It was a frankenstein phone, it wasn’t originally going to be an LTE phone, but Verizon delayed it to have it launch as its first LTE handset. The reason I think is because it was going to be handicapped, so consumers would likely not want it that long because of the pitiful battery life and size and it gave Motorola time to launch its own LTE handset, the DROID Bionic. The ThunderBolt was originally going to launch November 2010 as a 3G only device but it was given a 4G hybrid radio with little to no change to its hardware to account for that change.

        The Avid Android enthusiast would have remembered this when it was first leaked on here. The battery and phone sucked for that very reason, its not HTC’s fault Verizon is a greedy bastard of a company that cares nothing of its customers or quality of its devices.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=75200646 Stephen Cox

          Exactly. I don’t get the hate over the TB either. Yeah, its not as good as any current generation LTE phone, but people have to remember that it was the VERY FIRST one. Of course its gonna suck battery like a hog… what phone didn’t when they started putting 3G in the flip phones?

          Other than that, the phone is rock solid even to this day. I have no problem with my parents using theirs cause they can handle the abuse and they aren’t away from home or the car long enough to worry about draining the battery.

          Plus us people who live in mostly 3G areas, that hybrid radio system was a godsend because it gave us the first SVDO capable handset.

    • r0lct

      You put down TW but what exactly does Sense bring to the table other than lag and battery drain?

      • frankandsimple

        For one.. Sense is not as as embarrassingly garish and cartoonish to look at.

        • r0lct

          That’s a deflection, not an answer.

  • http://twitter.com/kirilv Kiril

    How is that at all a Galaxy S4 tweet? It never says Galaxy S4 in there, or at all what they are talking about. To me, it very plainly says “#theNextBigFlop #HTCOne”.

    • http://twitter.com/Blair_Destiny Blair D. Underwood

      Hahaaa, Nice!!

    • NemaCystX

      oh wow lol HTC kinda hurt themselves hashtagging like that

    • tomn1ce

      Maybe they are referring to the HTC ONE as the flop…..lol

      • JoshGroff

        That was the joke.

        • tomn1ce

          I know…

          • JoshGroff

            I know you know.

    • user311

      I am sure if someone were to say #QuietlyBankrupting people would get the hint too…

  • http://twitter.com/pat0915 Patrick Costello

    what ill say about having an HTC device for the past year is that it is a good unit but the support on software updates is awful. i mean anyone who has an HTC Thunderbolt can tell you that… i dont think i can get another HTC device after the one i have being called “the worst phone ever” by a few developers

    • rapperman

      Ok the HTC Thunderbolt was a fiasco that occurred 2 years ago on Verizon. The Samsung Droid Charge was another fiasco that occurred almost 2 years ago on Verizon. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus has been a near fiasco since its inception just over a year ago on… you guessed it, Verizon. Anybody see a common thread here? In my opinion HTC has been better than most with regard to the modder community and has yet to be surpassed (within the android community) with regard to design and build quality. One of the best phones I ever had was the HTC Inspire. It was built like a tank, felt great in the hand and ran everything up to ICS wonderfully until the point of it’s death from exhaustion a couple of months ago. People for some reason love to kick someone when they’re down. Look beyond the hype folks. The Galaxy S4 is nothing more than an S3 refresh. Samsung can finally consider themselves an equal to Apple… they have they’re own flock to tend.

  • Eddie Jr

    Stay classy? Their competitors not friends.

    • John

      They’re*

      /nazi

    • Tirionfive

      Still not a wise decision to piss off competitors. You don’t want to make them sue your ass for patent infringement. HTC are acting like children and I hope they get their just deserts. No doubt Samsung has done the same thing to Apple, but Samsung got their comeuppance in the form of a $1 billion lawsuit. What if HTC falls so low and Samsung decides to pull a MS (Pulling Apple’s head out of their own ass) on HTC? HTC will feel like the fool.

      • NemaCystX

        which was lowered to $500 million, I think someone else needs to get their head out of there ass.

        Samsung was targeted by Apple because they clearly copied alot of what Apple did and it shows in alot of their designs. Even the newly announced Galaxy S IIIS proves yet again there piggy backing off Apple’s marketing strategy for slightly upgraded handsets

        I’ve had two different Samsung smartphones, both flagships and they were horrible in comparison to the HTC handsets I ever had, still have problems with my current Samsung. There quality and radios are horrendous at best

        Any competitor has the right to voice their opinion like HTC has on twitter in this notion. Just like you and I have the right to voice their opinion on who likes what and why and what company you prefer and so on

        Don’t bash the company for them voicing their opinion to their fans
        Its always interesting to see a competitors reaction to another’s when a new product is announced that competes with their own. It shows that the company is social and communicates with its fans, even if it is a negative comment.

        • Tirionfive

          1) I am fully aware it was lowered to $500 million. The statement still stands that they got their-selves into a heap of trouble.

          2) No where did I state that Samsung’s lawsuit was solely based on their mocking of apple, and I agree, they do copy apple. They do a damn good job of it too.

          3) This is funny, because I have owned 2 HTC flagships and they were both horrible. I owned the original SGS and that phone was solid, till I dropped that carrier.

          4) Totally agree on this point. They do have a right to voice their opinion, but when they do it in a childish way, they tend to look very unprofessional.

          5) Communications with fanbase and customers is a good thing, yes. But try to act like an adult while doing so. HTC did this “advertising” without tact.

          I am no Samsung fanboi. I like Moto as well, and to an extent, LG. HTC makes some good hardware, but the way they go about marketing and software is just totally off. I’d rather own an iPhone than an HTC. Why? because Apple can at least make good software AND hardware. Something HTC/Samsung/Moto/LG are not capable of. Why don’t I just buy an iPhone then? Because apple is full of crap, I hate the closed OS, and the ability to customize is non existant. HTC pissed me off from the get-go, and they shan’t have my business again.

      • GregSki86

        The actual lawsuit is around 550 million my dude, just sayin…apparently the jury can’t add

        • Tirionfive

          I’m aware :) Just making a point.

          • http://twitter.com/Belatukadro Justtyn Hutcheson

            But if you are making a point that you know is factually incorrect, then it undermines the remainder of your argument and renders it much less effective.

  • Butters619

    The One looks way better but I would bet my first born child that the SGS4 absolutely crushes it in sales.

    This is like a highschooler telling Michael Jordan he sucks at basketball.

    • http://twitter.com/pat0915 Patrick Costello

      its more like after Jordan won his first championship(S3) and saying he sucks at basketball

      • Tony Allen

        Actually it’s more like MJ telling people he was better at baseball than anyone else on his team. The HTC One is nice, but if I had to choose between the two it would be a no brainer and honestly I’m finding these OEMs outright attacking Samsung quite hilarious.

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    • Kevin McDole

      Butters your making me cry.

      • Tirionfive

        you’re*

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    • http://twitter.com/jcardona1 jcardona

      While I think HTC makes better phones than Samsung, sales-wise Samsung will dominate. That’s a no-brainer. HTC doesn’t have the clout that Samsung does. Nobody otuside of the tech world even knows what the HTC One is. But ask anybody about the S4 and they’ll know. It was even on CNN.

      • TheTruthSquad

        What is the worst Android phone you can name in the past two years? The Thunderbird, of course. My granddaughter bought it when it first came out. The battery lasted three hours at best, and the paint was wearing off. They wereon top of the world then and they decided to make a killing and they got killed instead.

    • Steve

      worst comparison ever..

    • Richard Yarrell

      You had to know i would respond just as i did directly to HTC and it’s Twitter ambush which went on into the wee hours of Friday morning. I won’t take anything away from the HTC ONE it’s clearly a wonderfully constructed handset definitely a looker and personally i like that blinkfeed feature it’s a wonderful idea. That will make some purchase the handset based on that aspect alone. But honestly people have grown much more than that over the years and in today’s 2013 market place functionality as well as user enhancements is the name of the daily game. That’s what Samsung products offer they have TOP OF THE LINE software development and implementation of features that are industry leading nobody can take that away from Samsung. They provide and cater to their customers needs by providing removable batteries and sdcard expansion that is still so valuable to people REGARDLESS of what Google thinks with it’s Nexus line devices. The funny part is haters will hate and regardless of that hate people who purchase Samsung products know every year they will see an industry leading feature that later on everyone would be trying to copy. In today’s market like it or not the Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy Note 2 are the GOLD STANDARD of the industry and now you can add the Galaxy S4 to that list of GOLD STANDARD devices. My only question which i asked HTC on it’s twitter page was if you we’re actually the top dogs in this industry why release a product with version 4.1.2 jellybean when 4.2.2 was clearly the better choice. Never got any response from that question. Bottom line the Galaxy S4 might not look like the Htc One but the software and features as well as the overall fluidity and user experience is far better that’s for sure. The time has come for people to realize that fashion statements in technology land means nothing in today’s world. When you purchase a handset you want to know what experience will you get from that purchase. That device must have industry leading capabilities and must perform accordingly Samsung products do exactly that. They should look forward to an increase to 250 million smartphones sold in 2013 REGARDLESS of any Nexus 5, Motorola Xphone, Lg Optimus G pro, Iphone 5s/6 or any other launched handset. Samsung has brought innovative products and solutions to the market for the last three years especially the last 2yrs and based on that they are the manufacturer that everyone is chasing and copying for that matter. You can rest assured that the overall sales of the HTC One won’t be anything near the Galaxy S4 or the past sales of the Galaxy S3 in 2012 for that matter. But Htc will sell handsets at a better clip in 2013 than they did in 2012. Based on that they should be happy. It’s the consumer who drives this market and based that the consumers have spoken Samsung clearly owns this space.

      • http://twitter.com/Jamion Jamion

        Biggest thing for me if the lack of SD card on the One. I may get some flack for this, but I still want a microSD slot. Actually I want two. A point I asked HTC for a few years ago. Honestly that’s going to be the big thing for me. You brought up some really good points and I agree with almost all of them, but for me it’s a bit simpler. Metal Uni-body I love, but no SD slot kills it for me. Time and time again I have seen SD slots as being proven superior to their lack of them. Now I love HTC, but I think the last two years they haven’t been at the top of their game & I think HTC is about to learn two hard lessons. First, don’t try and slander the competition it just looks bad on you. Second, build the device people want, not what you think they need. Other wise they will just go to Samsung and get it.

        • Ian Dunn

          +1! I had a galaxy nexus last fall which was my first device without an SD card slot. The first time I wiped data to flash a ROM and lost all of my pictures and music which I had carried with 4 previous devices with an SD card slot ruined it for me. Its that simple.

  • Joel Gautraud

    Out of these two phones, there is One that will likely flop and one that will likely succeed… I think we know which is which.

    • James_Kernicky

      I see what you did there.

    • cortesjues

      yep the one that truly innovated will flop and the one that has brand name will succeed… such is life i guess….

    • http://twitter.com/clearnano C.N.

      witty puns. Not bad. *audience clap*

      • IPHONE4EVER

        The Galaxy S3S ladies and gentleman, the same phone with what .02 bigger screen and tilting scrolling WOW!! If I squint my eyes isn’t that a Note or maybe a GS3 I can’t tell they look the same now. Not impressed..

        • David Heim

          Still better than the iPhone 4S’s release.

        • JakeS41

          0.2>0.02 ->but I’d expect that math from an iSheep :)

        • TheTruthSquad

          Cough, cough, show me the difference between the Iphone 3, 3s, 4, and 4s. The Iphone 5 was 1/2 inch longer, wow, that was innovation! But, never use maps on any Iphone, you might wind up in some jungle in South America. Apple is making blunders that Jobs would never have allowed, just to get the taste of Google out of their phones.

    • Tech Pro

      Any decent phone could sell really well after $410 Millions dollars of marketing money. That’s more than combination of all other cell phone makers including Apple.

      Don’t get me wrong, S4 is a decent phones. But just like Apple, Samsung settle with writing proprietary apps in stead of creative new design. It’s a sound business decision but lack of true innovation.

      The only company might be able to outspend that is Apple. HTC would be lucky to spend 1/5 of that amount.

    • michael arazan

      HTC stock fell last monday because the head of R&D left the company who has a giant influence on the Sence software development