Comments on: Google CFO: We had 12-18 Months of Motorola Product Pipeline to Go Through

By: nightscout13

nightscout13 — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:43:00 +0000

Fine, they don’t HAVE to package it with the phone…. My thought process is, that if they did, they would stand out from the crowd. Motorola has an identity crisis right now in case you haven’t noticed….

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:38:00 +0000

It isn’t that I don’t like them, they aren’t good for what the vast majority of users need or want headphones for. Which is mostly casual listening.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/aftershokz-and-teac-filltune-hp-f100-bone-conduction-headphones

There is a great article. I’ll leave you with that. And again, for the price and for what it is worth, they would be better off making it an optional extra, than forcibly packaging a set of bone conduction headphones in with future phones.

By: nightscout13

nightscout13 — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:59:00 +0000

I don’t uderstand why you’re so bend on attacking my opinion. I said I wanted OEM’s to include “earbud-style” Bone Conducting headphones. So facken what?? You don’t have to like my opinion, feel free to move along….I have the right to an opinion, as you do. Except you are bashing my right for an opinion, and that is not cool. You don’t like them? FINE BY ME! I’m not gonna sit here and bash you for it.

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:26:00 +0000

Then feel free to buy a pair. However, if Google ships them with phones (note not Google Glass which is what that patent is for) it will be a huge unnecessary expense, which is low quality in sound and questionable usability. I will lose a great deal of respect for Google if they do that. For the glasses it makes sense, as it would be integrated into the arms of the glasses. Which is what that patent states. Probably the main focus is not music but other things, which you would use Google Glass for. However, for phones, the technology is not there yet for mass consumption. Do they work? Yes, the Aftershockz barely. They, according to reviews, aren’t even true bone conduction as they leak sound. The more expensive versions likely are. However those are all $150+. $350+ for in ears.

I’m not bashing the idea, I’m bashing the state of the technology. Which I have every right to. Google, in all likelihood, chose bone conduction for Google Glass, because it was the only option without having awkwardly placed earbuds, or wires that would break like in those weird Sony headset things.

No one is stopping you from buying the technology you want. I don’t want to see them packaged with a phone unless the technology is ready, which it is not.

So basically, don’t force YOUR wants on OTHER consumers whom don’t want to fork out the money for unnecessary, unready, expensive technology. You want them, YOU BUY THEM! Just like every other consumer who doesn’t like the headphones/earphones their device came with. Why should I PAY for what YOU WANT?

By: nightscout13

nightscout13 — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:06:00 +0000

I DON’T CARE if you label them as earbuds, headphones, or socks! I want them, regardless of what category they fit in! You can bash them all you want, Google knows what’s up!

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:03:00 +0000

Curious, did you read that? It has a ton of problems, much in line with what I said. Low volume, possibly mono (seriously?) expensive (though part of that may be just Google Glass), still not earphones. Clearly it is not ready for mass consumption. The cons of bone conduction out weigh the pros right now. It is rather simple. Everything I said remains true in that article. The Panasonic ones in that article are just as expensive, and I assure you the frequency response is not good. Oh did I also mention that they are motors? Chances are they’ll require more power (which actually might account for the low volume, low end amp does not produce much power). If you want them, feel free to get a pair. But honestly, it is not viable right now. Maybe when they improve the technology a bit more, but it just isn’t there yet.

If you don’t believe me… how about scientists on the matter…
http://www.tinnitus.vcu.edu/Pages/Human%20Skull%20Response.PDF

“Severe attenuation at higher frequencies” “Variances based on skull structure”

I’d rather have reliable technology than expensive unreliable technology.

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:32:00 +0000

Huh… So… lets see… If I’m reading that right… First off… it is slated for $1500, and it is Google glass, not headphones. So… there goes the affordable angle, and the earphone angle. It won’t offer stereo sound. So there goes any application like music, unless you like hearing everything in mono….It is quiet, so it won’t provide earbud level sound….They essentially barely worked. Did I mention that it wasn’t ready for prime time? I think I did. And it still doesn’t make any mention of the poor frequency response of 500Hz to 14kHz. Mind you that humans hear from 20Hz to 20kHz. you are losing the entire high end of the spectrum and just about all of the subbass spectrum of music. On top of that the Panasonic headphone linked in that article is still a headphone. So I fail to see how any of this is anything other than status quo from what I said…

By: JoshGroff

JoshGroff — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:25:00 +0000

IIRC, the unlocked Note 2 is also missing an LTE chip. Correct me if I’m wrong.

By: J Dub

J Dub — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:52:00 +0000

Put them side-by-side. They are nearly the same size.

By: kixofmyg0t

kixofmyg0t — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:43:00 +0000

As effective as I think? Oh dude its not what I think, that’s how it is.

You KNOW your phone would perform better with 4GB of RAM do you? You, who has no idea why or how your 2GB is used… Oh but you just KNOW it wouldn’t lag with 4GB. Nevermind the fact that 4GB would fill up and you would be right back to where you are now.

Right. You know everything don’t you?

How about if your phone had faster flash memory and a better memory controller so when Android caches stuff it would do it more efficiently? Nah let’s throw more RAM at it. You are a idiot. Now FACKWORS.

By: nightscout13

nightscout13 — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:35:00 +0000

What was that? I can’t hear you over the sound of how awesome Google is : http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/24/google-glass-bone-conduction/

By: nightscout13

nightscout13 — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:33:00 +0000

I understand that Linux manages RAM in this way, but it is not as effective as you think. It still bogs down and LAGS when the RAM gets full. Regardless of what you say, I know my phone would perform better with 4GB of RAM. Now FACK OFF

By: Trey Mitchell

Trey Mitchell — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:47:00 +0000

uhhhhhhh no
you dont just throw away decades of brand reconigition that would be a stupid move

By: Trey Mitchell

Trey Mitchell — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:37:00 +0000

thye arent sammy radios they are qualcom

By: kixofmyg0t

kixofmyg0t — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:04:00 +0000

Your complete lack of understanding about how Android works is expected, but you refuse to learn.

You don’t understand that even if you had 4GB, or even 8GB of RAM it would fill up and Android WOULD KEEP IT LIKE THAT. Android like the RAM “full”.

But no matter how many times we tell you, or show you that your wrong…. Hell the CM team themselves could comment right now and say the same you wouldn’t be able to understand it.

You really need a iPhone dude. Android is a but too much for you. My phone has half the RAM yours does and I don’t have the “problem” you claim. You can’t get it through your thick skull that Android and Windows use RAM differently. You will never understand it. So go ahead and wish for a phone with 16GB of RAM, cause when you check the usage and see 300MB free of 16GB don’t come back bitching. We told you already.