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Motorola Considering its Own Smartphone OS, Android “Shooting itself in the foot”?

This is one of those “You’ve got to be kidding me!” kinds of stories.  Motorola, according to a couple of sources close to the matter, has been hiring mobile and web engineers from companies like Apple and Adobe like crazy because it has plans to create its own mobile operating system for smartphones.  Uh oh.  When asked to comment on these reports, a spokesperson had this to say:  “Motorola Mobility is committed to Android as an operating system.”  Not exactly a denial, right?

One of the sources close to the matter brought up Android as one of the reasons for Moto to consider its own mobile OS, stating that “Android is shooting itself in the foot.”  How exactly are they doing that, you ask?  According to this “source”, fragmentation, product differentiation, and issues related to Google’s support for its partners are the concern.  Really?

Let me just throw an idea out there if fragmentation and product differentiation are a concern:  stop putting a garbage skin over top of a product that doesn’t need it.  If you are having trouble updating fast enough, maybe it’s time to stop throwing in bloatware, skins, and worrying about locking down phones and instead offer up what Google is giving devices like the Nexus S; it sure seems to get updates on a regular basis.  And how about showing some love to the mobile OS that brought you back from the dead?  (/end rant.)

I should also point out that this is just a rumor and should not be taken as fact.  They could be considering an OS, but we should at least attempt to be a little fair until there is concrete evidence to support these semi-anonymous claims.

So what do you guys think?  Dumbest move in history?  BlurOS is #winning?

Via:  Information Week

Cheers Rob!

  • Rain_king46

    Every time I think Moto is getting smart, they pull a bonehead move like this. As Rob said, Android pulled Moto back from the dead after the horrible feature phones they were putting out for years. Ask manufacturers like Nokia how sales are without Android offerings. Ask Sony Ericson if they think they should have embraced Android sooner. If Moto goes away from Android, they may never recover from a move that bone headed. Suggestion for Moto: Release the Bionic with an unlocked boot loader and with a stock Android OS without the Blur. If Verizon wants their apps on it to bring the sale price down, fine, just make is possible to uninstall them. Do this and you wont be able to keep this phone in stock it will sell so fast.

  • Asdfasdf

    GJ moto guess what phone brand i wont be buying again

  • http://twitter.com/GoldenCube Toys Samurai

    While I am shocked to hear this, but I am actually not that surprised they are that dumb. It really could happen. Look, they created the Droid, which is stock Android w/o a locked bootloader and this 1 small device literally brought Moto back to life single-handedly. A sane person would just keep what made the Droid so successful and added new things to it. Instead, they took away the stock OS, locked the bootloader — they really DO think that the Droid’s success is because of THEMSELVES, not Google, not Android.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t they already have one called Blur & it sucks.

  • forte-development

    How would fragmenting the market further fix a fragmented market???? Horrible idea, especially since Moto’s overlays are terrible. If they can’t get that right how are thy going to produce an entire os?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Brown/622460851 Daniel Brown

    1990 called, they want their idea back.

  • Tojiro

    Better title: Motorola shoots Android in foot, proceeds to complain that OS walks funny.

    • Anonymous

      Awesome.

    • Rizzidy

      Like it or not, this could severely affect Android adoption.

  • Eric

    We shall see in the end who “is shooting itself in the foot.”

    Pretty sure it won’t be Android.

  • http://markpude.com Mark P

    Haha my bet is, if Moto really goes down this path, that they use Android as their starting point…

  • Sean27030

    +1

  • http://twitter.com/v941726 v941726

    i know moto owners are getting pretty fed up with motorola and their lockdowns and general tough shi* attitude

    • http://twitter.com/bd7349 Brendon D

      Couldn’t agree more. I love my Droid X… now that it’s got a custom BLURLESS ROM on it. (Emphasis on the blurless)

      • Interstellarmind

        same here. it wasn’t until i flashed liberty and overclocked my phone that i’m actually able to enjoy it and use it to it’s fullest. Moto: stick to hardware, that is what you’re good at. leave the OS to google!!!

        kellex: hope you’re relaying all these comments to your source!!

  • Temp123

    Isn’t the problem that these companies deploying Android need to be able to differentiate themselves by more than just hardware specs from the competition, so they need their own “layer” or exclusive software to do that? I’ve never used blur (still on OG Droid), but it’s their attempt to set themselves apart whether it is popular or not. I’m not sure if we can have all Android experience devices out there and these companies can make money.

    If they go with their own OS (like Nokia), it’s a quality product, and they keep it opensource (like Android), do we win? Other vendors can still make android phones, and sounds like Mot would too (unless their OS takes off). If it’s blur-like, I’m sure Mot will not see success based on impressions I’ve read.

  • Temp123

    Isn’t the problem that these companies deploying Android need to be able to differentiate themselves by more than just hardware specs from the competition, so they need their own “layer” or exclusive software to do that? I’ve never used blur (still on OG Droid), but it’s their attempt to set themselves apart whether it is popular or not. I’m not sure if we can have all Android experience devices out there and these companies can make money.

    If they go with their own OS (like Nokia), it’s a quality product, and they keep it opensource (like Android), do we win? Other vendors can still make android phones, and sounds like Mot would too (unless their OS takes off). If it’s blur-like, I’m sure Mot will not see success based on impressions I’ve read.

    • Mattg67

      Why I can see why the company’s want to be different they are going about it wrong, they make hardware that’s what they are good at, if they make good hardware with stock android leave out the bloat and make the skin an option, and stop with the locking down they will rise to the top, hell do a OEM unlock that voids the warranty that way normal ppl won’t care and ppl like us know the risk.

  • f0r71fy

    I will not buy another moto phone if they don’t use android its plain and simple. HTC here I come.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Lyle/100000757560208 Aaron Lyle

    Done with Motorola. I own 5 Motorola gadgets. DONE!!

  • http://twitter.com/jayzeroeee Joe

    This is an example of a company who has absolutely no idea what their customers want.

  • http://twitter.com/jayzeroeee Joe

    This is an example of a company who has absolutely no idea what their customers want.

  • http://twitter.com/jayzeroeee Joe

    This is an example of a company who has absolutely no idea what their customers want.

  • Mike

    Stick to your awesome hardware and let Google handle the software Moto. If not you won’t be around much longer.

  • Mike

    Stick to your awesome hardware and let Google handle the software Moto. If not you won’t be around much longer.

  • Mike

    Stick to your awesome hardware and let Google handle the software Moto. If not you won’t be around much longer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darren-Howard-Brooke/1457958012 Darren Howard Brooke

    Yep, the problem with Motorola’s phones is definitely Android itself. I wonder if anyone there has noticed nobody ever complained about the things everyone hates them for now with the OG droid. They did it right once… apparently they are trying as hard as they possibly can to never do it again.

    That being said, if they switch to something besides Android, we can stop hearing about their phones and focus on companies that are doing it right.

    *fingers still crossed the Droid3 won’t be a POS*

    • Anonymous

      True. If they drop Android we can all move on. It will be a shame though, they make good hardware.

  • http://www.droid-life.com Tim-o-tato

    Umm, since I’m on my phone I can’t really write a full response to this except an easy short and sweet one…

    F U MOTO. Grrr! :)

  • Ecffighter7232

    so moto will go back to being crap again, no one will buy there junk and they will fold… then we wont have to worry about their locked ass bootloaders anymore… sounds like a win win to me… though they do make a quality BUILT device… everything else they touch turns to crap

  • Anonymous

    Selling my Motorola stock ……. NOW!!

  • http://twitter.com/DipdCrown Shawn Williams

    Motorola has the best hardware by far, but Motorola will surely find themselves out like the jerrycurl if they go through with this. This is why Google needs to manufacture their own devices, then let 3rd parties pay for the OS if they want to modify a perfectly good product.

    • f0r71fy

      Can’t sell linux buddy.

    • f0r71fy

      Can’t sell linux buddy.

  • Master O’Disaster

    This sounds like an early “April Fool’s” story!

    ANDROID “Shooting itself in the foot?” Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

  • http://twitter.com/TSeev T Seev

    talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

  • Dreedy Android

    I don’t buy garbage Moto now and I sure as he** wouldn’t begin if they made their own OS. Can you image something like a BlurOS? Oh lord, I think I just threw up in my mouth alil bit.

  • http://twitter.com/JsinLegacy JsinLegacy

    Well go ahead and do it Motorola… watch as your mobile company slowly dies again…

  • http://twitter.com/jayzeroeee Joe

    So. Much. Irony.

  • http://twitter.com/iiAmColour Sakina Solomon

    Moto has now officially hit #SelfDestructMode

  • Garrett

    Everyone needs to stop putting skins on Android. Even HTC is annoying me

  • Stephen

    I think motorola might play themselves out of the smartphone world if they do this.

  • Anonymous

    all right. who gave Moto a big heaping dose of tiger blood?

  • Anonymous

    all right. who gave Moto a big heaping dose of tiger blood?

  • Bacabone

    MOTO OS, all blur all the time yeah! I will be first in line lemme tell ya. Wow what BS

  • Bacabone

    MOTO OS, all blur all the time yeah! I will be first in line lemme tell ya. Wow what BS

  • http://twitter.com/UFSanity Curtis

    “Let me just throw an idea out there if fragmentation and product differentiation are a concern: stop putting a garbage skin over top of a product that doesn’t need it. If you are having trouble updating fast enough, maybe it’s time to stop throwing in bloatware, skins, and worrying about locking down phones and instead offer up what Google is giving devices like the Nexus S. It sure seems to get updates on a regular basis.”

    ^ Truth.

  • Anonymous

    #FAILING

  • Anonymous

    Are they f**king retarded?

  • Rizzidy

    Android still lacks the stability to maintain leadership in the field. Moto (F Motorola) has a point.

    • Anonymous

      Your’s and Moto’s point lacks any substance or evidence.

      • Rizzidy

        Android is buggy. This is a fact.

        Quit being a fanboy.

        • Anonymous

          False. That’s an opinion.

          Android leads in market share. THAT is a fact. Sounds like it already has the leadership you claim it doesn’t. Moto contributed to that somewhat. So the claim that Android lacks stability is patently absurd, and so is Moto’s (alleged) contemplation of migration away from Android.

          • Rizzidy

            Learn English.

            I said MAINTAIN leadership.

          • Anonymous

            It already gained it, and in record fashion. Where’s your evidence that it can’t maintain it? Your own opinion that it’s “buggy?” That’s laughable.

          • Rizzidy

            You don’t have to take my word for it.

            Browse at your leisure: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list

          • Anonymous

            Lol, that’s it? Software bugs do not indicate a lack of leadership in the market. Learn from history. Windows is probably one of the “buggiest” OS’s that’s ever existed, yet it controls the market.

            Your opinion still lacks any merit. If Android was so plagued by bugs that it should wilt in the market, it would have never gained the #1 spot in the first place.

          • Rizzidy

            You’ve moved the goalposts with every single reply. I’m done with you.

            Learn English. Work on reading comprehension. Stay in school.

          • Anonymous

            Sounds like you need to take your own advice. You’re the one that’s deflecting and not supporting your own assertions. Also, insulting != counter-argument.

          • Anonymous

            Every OS has bugs. Get lost moron.

          • Tesseract 3

            You always use the same tired stay in school line when you use an argument. It’s really getting very old. You seem to be an iTroll in disguise. Just leave.

          • Rizzidy

            You don’t have to take my word for it.

            Browse at your leisure: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list

          • Rizzidy

            You don’t have to take my word for it.

            Browse at your leisure: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list

          • Anonymous

            It already gained it, and in record fashion. Where’s your evidence that it can’t maintain it? Your own opinion that it’s “buggy?” That’s laughable.

          • Anonymous

            It already gained it, and in record fashion. Where’s your evidence that it can’t maintain it? Your own opinion that it’s “buggy?” That’s laughable.

        • Anonymous

          Stock Android is really not buggy. Most of the bugs come from the skins that manufacturers put on them.

          • Rizzidy

            I agree that many bugs come from the skins. However, Android itself is not bug free.

          • Dawn Keebols

            And IOS is? What system does not have bugs?

          • Rizzidy

            iOS? lol

            More typical fanboy deflection.

            All systems have bugs, obviously. The problem with Android is that it already has a reputation for being buggy and this will catch up with it if they don’t get some stability quickly.

          • Anonymous

            It would have caught up with it a long time ago if it actually mattered. Admit it, people find Android incredible functional and suitable for their needs (despite all the alleged “bugs”), or it wouldn’t be the #1 mobile OS in the world.

          • Rizzidy

            Way too early to make that kind of judgment. Whether Android has repeat purchasers will be the key.

          • Anonymous

            I’m running 2.3 with nothing but a couple minor bugs. You’re the misguided fanboy here.

          • Anonymous

            you just admitted that the OS is buggy because of skins when you’ve been defending skins the whole time on here. You really must be confused. If you are concerned with the buggy aspect of android then common sense would help you see that the skins should be ended and stock android should be implemented. So instead on coming on here and talking about how Android is so buggy then back-tracking when you’re wrong, you should do your homework.

          • Rizzidy

            I’ve never defended skins. I hate skins. I am pointing out the sound business reasons to have the skins.

            Completely different. l2logic

          • goblueboy

            no OS is perfect. just like no person is perfect

          • Anonymous

            every phone has bugs… even the iPhone (for those of you who claim it doesn’t)

        • Itzmyennui

          All OSes have bugs, iOS & Win 7 included – I use iOS4 & Android 2.2 and I don’t see that one is more buggy or less useful than the other – just different. Getting back to this rumor: it would be a huge gamble for Moto to do this – they would have to create as entire ecosystem around their new OS ala Apple’s iOS. Unfortunately Moto doesn’t have the cash Apple does to be successful – I believe they’ll become a small niche player in the smartphone universe if they go with their own OS.

        • http://winklerjr.carbonmade.com/ Wayne W.

          Give me an example of exactly how Android is buggy? It does the same operations as the iPhone, just as well as the iPhone.

          Difference is it’s open source, means more people have their hands in it. Where iOS has 1 ring to rule them all, not saying that’s bad but there in lies it’s problem.

        • http://winklerjr.carbonmade.com/ Wayne W.

          Give me an example of exactly how Android is buggy? It does the same operations as the iPhone, just as well as the iPhone.

          Difference is it’s open source, means more people have their hands in it. Where iOS has 1 ring to rule them all, not saying that’s bad but there in lies it’s problem.

      • Rizzidy

        Android is buggy. This is a fact.

        Quit being a fanboy.

    • Anonymous

      Your’s and Moto’s point lacks any substance or evidence.

    • Mustagme

      Dead on accurate assessment. Android is laggy, buggy, and virus filled. Moto needs to take a cue from Apple on designing a OS. You don’t hear about lag, bugs, or stability issues on iOS. It’s ready to go out of the box. With Android, you have to root, download tons of apps, and read forums just to do the basic functions. As for sales, iOS is WAY above Android. If you apply the same logic that Android has (different phones, versions, etc.), then you have to include all iPhones, iTouches, iPods, etc. It’s no contest at this point.

      Oh yeah, how are those Android tablet sales? LOL!

      • http://twitter.com/jayzeroeee Joe

        Sales =/= quality.

        • Anonymous

          You could say the same thing about Android. The OS might sell the most, but it inst the best quality os.

      • Rizzidy

        I don’t agree with most of this.

      • Stupid

        iOS isn’t buggy? let’s see leap forward FAIL… iOS face time is laggy as hell. If you hold the damn thing the wrong way you lose reception. Jailbreaking and Rooting is the same thing retard… Are you telling me people don’t Jailbreak their iPhone? ITouches and iPods and iPads are not phone period, how can they be included?

      • Anonymous

        With the iPhone you need to jailbreak in order to do the things Android phones already does out of the box. Rooting just takes the phones abilities a step further. I used the first 3 models of the iPhone for 3 years and that’s what caused me to jump ship to Android.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darren-Howard-Brooke/1457958012 Darren Howard Brooke

        I take it this is coming from someone who has never owned (or apparently even used for that matter) an Android device?

      • Anonymous

        Wow, you managed to include every single iFan bs talking point in that rambling incoherent mess. Congrats you iZealot.

    • Mustagme

      Dead on accurate assessment. Android is laggy, buggy, and virus filled. Moto needs to take a cue from Apple on designing a OS. You don’t hear about lag, bugs, or stability issues on iOS. It’s ready to go out of the box. With Android, you have to root, download tons of apps, and read forums just to do the basic functions. As for sales, iOS is WAY above Android. If you apply the same logic that Android has (different phones, versions, etc.), then you have to include all iPhones, iTouches, iPods, etc. It’s no contest at this point.

      Oh yeah, how are those Android tablet sales? LOL!

    • Anonymous

      “Android still lacks the stability to maintain leadership in the field.”

      That’s what everyone said about Android when it was first starting. They said it would get no where. Well Android obviously proved them wrong and has risen to number one. Now that Android is at the top, people are going to say it can’t maintain and we will just watch as they are proven wrong again.

      • Rizzidy

        I hope you’re right. I’m just calling it how it stands today.

        • http://www.twitter.com/slinky317 slinky317

          I’m not sure what makes you think that. Just because it has some bugs, it can’t maintain leadership? Hell, Windows has been buggy for years and it still has 90% market share.

          If the user experience is good (which it is), if it has carrier and advertisement support (which it does), and if a number of different manufacturers are building Android phones (which they are), then Android will maintain leadership. It’s just the simple fact of business.

          • Rizzidy

            The difference is that Android has only been an effective market player for a little over a year. The smartphone industry is still in its infancy.

          • http://www.twitter.com/slinky317 slinky317

            The smartphone industry is still in its infancy, but it’s already a saturated market. There are three big players and a fourth struggling to gain traction.

            Just because Android is young (and it’s not as young as you make it to be) doesn’t mean it doesn’t have staying power. BlackBerry used to be number 1 in the US, and the reason they fell off is because they failed to innovate. Android continues to innovate with recent features like NFC capability and the browser-based Market, which allows remote installation of apps. In the future, wireless syncing of music (if not an outright 100% cloud-based service) and movies are reported to be coming.

            Outside of saying it’s buggy, you still haven’t made it clear why you think Android can’t maintain itself as a market leader. I would love to hear why.

          • Rizzidy

            The smartphone market is FAR from saturation. not even close

          • http://www.twitter.com/slinky317 slinky317

            Hardware-wise, sure. But you’re saying that the market has room for more smartphone OSes? No way. If another one comes up, one current one will have to give. We saw that with Android and BlackBerry, and iOS to a lesser extent.

    • fartbubbler

      troll.

  • http://twitter.com/diegosocart12 James Ditmer

    So disappointing! Why not just support the great OS Android is with the great hardware and build quality Motorola provides instead of going this route? I hope this turns out to be false.

    • Honeycomb_FTW

      amen. . .
      It would be nice to see these companies get a clue and start giving back to Android to make it even better than slap their stupid crap all over it that no one wants. They think developing their own OS will be easier than making Android better? Not a change. . .

      Though I think this is FUD. . . just like the FUD about the Xoom and Samsung Tab floating around. I have a suspicion that it’s FUD coming from MS &/or Apple because they are seeing that Android is capable to going into any space now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lancemcculley Lance McCulley

    Watch as their stock takes the largest dive since the iPad 2 release…

  • Anonymous

    “stop putting a garbage skin over top of a product that doesn’t need it. If you are having trouble updating fast enough, maybe it’s time to stop throwing in bloatware, skins, and worrying about locking down phones and instead offer up what Google is giving devices like the Nexus S”

    Amen to that

    • Temp123

      So how do they differentiate themselves from the competition? Just by hardware? So the company with the fastest cheapest hardware running the latest version of Android wins? I’m not sure that this is a profitable business model.

      • Anonymous

        Well none of them will do it, so how can we know? Speaking for myself, I would buy a phone like that in a heartbeat.

        • Temp123

          Yes, but we are tech nerds (not an insult). I assume that the majority of the customers they have or want are just everyday users that want a functional phone that they can figure out.

          • Anonymous

            And would you agree that non-skinned device is just as easy, if not more so, to figure out than a device that is skinned? And wouldn’t the average customer appreciate a cheaper phone that has better hardware (thereby better able to run Android at blazing speeds), made possible by OEMs not wasting resources on their own crappy skins?

            I don’t think it takes a tech-nerd to appreciate any of that.

          • Rizzidy

            lol

            That is not a viable business strategy. Everyone will be able to copy what you are doing and the only thing left to compete on is price.

          • Anonymous

            The thing left to compete on is the design of the hardware. How many people complain about ugly, slow phones on the market right now? You think those phones would still sell if they all used the same, un-skinned OS? No. Because then manufacturers would still have to compete on hardware design.

            Just like the PC world. Go figure.

            Everyone wins when OEMs don’t waste resources on crappy software.

          • Rizzidy

            lol again

            It must be nice thinking the world is so simple.

          • Tesseract 3

            Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

          • Rizzidy

            More so than probably everyone on this site, yes.

          • fartbubbler

            nothing better to do?

          • Anonymous

            Awww, did we not get enough likes during the argument?

            As to your allegations: which Moto phone was a sales machine, bringing them back from the dead? That’s right; the unskinned, OG Droid. Even in the face of other Android handsets available (some with skins!).

            So, with everything running the same, unskinned OS, you would only be able to differentiate on:
            -Price
            -Screen
            -Size
            -Resolution
            -Type (AMOLED, SLCD, PLS, IPS, etc.)

            -Hardware Keyboards
            -Other Slider Features (like the Experia Play)
            -Modems (3G, HSPA+, LTE, WiMax, etc.)
            -Carriers
            -Speakers
            -Access Ports
            -Included Apps (could be a nice feature with free apps that would otherwise be paid)
            -Materials (Plastic vs. aluminum, etc.)
            -Market Countries
            -Accessories (like the Atrix laptop dock)
            -3D (I don’t like it, but others do)

            What’s a manufacturer to do? They have to make a custom skin to survive!!!

          • Tesseract 3

            You probably like your own posts.

          • Anonymous

            do you mean like how everyone is now putting skins on their devices because htc started it? you do realize that thats how business works, right? until some new innovation happens then companies simply look at the success of their competitors and mimic them, and tweaking the copies slightly to make it better. So how would relying on the best hardware that beats the competition be any different than putting your software that’s “better” than your competitors on a phone as the selling point?

            How could Moto tweak their devices to be better than the competition? Use vanilla Android.

          • Rizzidy

            lol

            That is not a viable business strategy. Everyone will be able to copy what you are doing and the only thing left to compete on is price.

      • Anonymous

        Nobody buys Motorola for their software. They buy for their hardware. People like Motorola hardware. People will buy Motorola hardware, so long as it doesn’t have Motorola software. That could be very profitable for them. They don’t make a dime from Blur, despite what their accountants might try to suggest.

        • Temp123

          Maybe, but my guess is that most of their customers aren’t like us. Most people out there don’t even know about the hardware. Most pick up a phone at Costco, try it out and either get it or not. All of my non-tech friends that have Mot Droid phones have no clue about rooting, overclocking, barely understand widgets. I have more non-tech friends than tech-friends. Again, I could be wrong, but I’d bet their wider customer base is more interested in the experience and ease of use than the hardware specs.

          • Anonymous

            The only think that Blur does is slow down a phone. It’s so terribly coded that it slows down transitions and the whole phone in general. That’s what the average customer sees. Even if the average customer isn’t going to root/rom/overclock their phone like us here, they ARE going to see that it looks like crap when you swipe from one screen to the other. But, oooh, the iPhone is nice and smooth!

            The default Android launcher may not be the most beautiful thing (to most people — some people like myself get all hot and bothered just thinking about it), but really, when compared with Blur, it’s the lesser of two evils. You want better experience and ease of use? Get rid of Blur. Problem freaking solved!

          • Temp123

            Please don’t interpret my comments as sticking up for Blur. I don’t say that anywhere. I’m saying that a successful business model must include being able to differentiate yourself from your competition by more than just hardware specs. Maybe no one likes Blur. They still have to find a way to stand out in a crowd.

          • EC8CH

            They still have to find a way to stand out in a crowd…

            maybe they should try selling a vanilla android phone, very few of them around :-)

          • Anonymous

            too bad the D1 didn’t differentiate itself. It could have sold so much more by differentiating itself with blur and a locked bootloader. Oh. Wait. No…the D1 was vanilla, completely open…and it not only brought Moto back from the depths, but also made Android popular (or at least started it down that road).

          • Temp123

            This is different and I’m sorry you don’t see that. D1 was the first of it’s kind. That is what differentiated it. Really you don’t see that? Just like the Xoom. Seriously?

          • EC8CH

            what I see is a need for a stock android phone on Verizon since there hasn’t been one since the OGD.

            VZ now has the i*hone, so I think it’s about time we stock android fans get the opportunity to upgrade our OGD’s to a newer vanilla android phone… BRING NEXUS TO VERIZON!

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I think a Nexus on Verizon would be great. While I would have interest in the phone I think it would settle the debate for ourselves and Moto (if they made it) as to what the people really want. The problem is unless they re-badge an planned phone I doubt they want to invest in putting out a such a device unless Google shares the bill.
            I’ll bet there will be a new Nexus for when 3.5 (or whatever) hits phones so something to look forward to.

          • EC8CH

            “I’ll bet there will be a new Nexus for when 3.5 (or whatever) hits phones so something to look forward to.”

            too bad it will probably never be on Verizon :-(

          • Temp123

            I agree :) Or bring me a CM7 phone (which is what I have now: OG Droid + Cyanogen Mod Nightly 20), but with generic unlocked Android, that’s what we get if we want.

          • Sputnick

            Amen brotha!!

          • LinuxLover

            How was it the first of its kind? There were Android phones out long before the OG Droid… What was first was the fact that Verizon not only marketed it successfully, they also completely got behind the product. That’s what made it successful. Now, users on other networks refer to their Android devices generically as “Droids”. That’s what made it successful. I have yet to hear anyone (and I know a whole lot of average users who have Android phones) say they bought a Motorola because they thought Blur was so cool, or an HTC because Sense was the deciding factor. No, they buy them because they gravitate toward the price range they’re willing to spend and the marketing hype behind each particular phone. They just want to be able to use the apps and could care less about Sense or Blur.

          • EC8CH

            Yeah, but lets not do that ever again. Instead lets see how far we can go in the opposite direction from the device that pulled our company out of the toilet and see how fast we can tank our business.

            And on the way there, lets belittle our customers on youtube and facebook for asking why we are such complete idiots.

          • Anonymous

            the D1 was the first serious android phone on a serious carrier with no other android options available… you can’t use that in an argument I’m sorry.. and as much as blur sucks, there are features that make android better, but definitely lots that make it worse… you can’t tell me when your in a call and leave the call screen the pulsating notification bar green is worse than it not pulsating.. or being able to end a call in by pulling down the notification bar

            everyone rails on the skins.. I finally moved to sense, which I knew was the best even among ROMS, and I was right.. I’ve had stock android for awhile.. and I prefer sense, rooted, so I can run sense without crapware, a screenshot app, and free tethering.. but I will not take stock android over sense

          • Anonymous

            The Droid Eris came out on the same day and the same network as the OG Droid. It had Sense on it; I guess it sold better due to differentiation, right?

          • Anonymous

            The Droid Eris was pushed as a lower-end phone than the Droid, and rightfully so. It sold worse because it was a piece of crap hardware-wise.

          • Rizzidy

            By that logic, the Nexus One should have blown everything else away…

            oh wait

          • Sputnick

            If the Nexus One was marketed like the Droid and was on Verizon it would have easily.

          • nikon d300

            The Nexus One should have been the Verizon Droid. Now THAT would have been an iPhone killer. Who needed that silly Droid keyboard. I knew lots of iPhone users who would have switched if the Nexus One was available on Verizon. Very, very bad mistake on Verizon’s part.

          • Anonymous

            the eris had android 1.6 and half the hardware.. don’t bring up verizon’s version of the G1

            it would be extremely interesting to see the G2 that is being sold on tmobile be sold on VZW with two versions, sense and vanilla and see which one sold more.. I can almost guarentee it would be the one with sense, even if you didn’t have the option to remove it, I think the op is right… the average person buying a smartphone are not droid-life users, and they are looking at the experience, they see facebook integration listed on a demo widget when they test drive the htc phone at the store and aren’t smart enough to realize an vanilla phone can do the same thing.. they would go with sense

          • Sputnick

            Give people the option to run Sense the way you do, run Sense with bloatware, or run vanilla Android….that everyone’s happy.

          • Anonymous

            well that’s never going to happen.. that’s like asking movies to take away trailers, or for TV to stop running ads.. I mean it sucks.. but that’s the way it works, and unfortunately will always be around with android.. but we are getting a $650 phone for 75% off, sometimes even more and you can’t blame them… no one seemed to complain when their smartphones came with vcast.. If the OG came with bloat, no one would have even realized that it was an option, well it is not an option, but you see what i’m saying…

            everyone is constantly complaining about bloat and skins… you have a choice, no one put a gun to your head and said you have to have verizon and you have to buy a droid x .. go to tmobile and get a nexus s.. unfortunately that is the tradeoff you get if you want the best provider, and verizon knows we will take bloat, locked bootloaders, and skins for the best service

          • Sputnick

            I get what you’re saying and I unfortunately I would bet it will never happen too. But Moto sells phones to carriers closer to full price (with volume discounts and exclusive contracts) and then carriers sell the phone at a discount cause they make most of there money on contracts anyway…agree? So the name of the game is to sell more phones if you’re a manufacturer and sell more contracts if you’re a carrier…nothing new here. So appeal to the cross section of users. I don’t know what percentage of revenue comes from bloatware, but I would assume it’s rather small percentage…I will stand corrected if wrong. With websites like this and gadget reviewers like CNet and Engadget, I would want positive PR from these communities to help push more sales. I found out about the OG Droid from commercials and then read these sites and the rave reviews convinced me that this is a phone to get. Reading these sites lately, is Moto in a positive light? No. Burger King touted “Have it your way” and I’m suggesting the same thing be done with Android phones and marketed that way because 1) I think it’s good for business and 2) It’s been ruled it’s my legal right with these devices. It’s all about user experience and a different one than say Apple’s.

            Basically what I’m saying is get and keep the geek community endorsing your product cause you never know how many buyers do research on these sites. Keep as much of the cross section of your user base loyal and keep attracting new customers with the same formula on better hardware moving forward….simple as that. Rooting community is a small minority but a very loud one. Will this work? I do believe it will. I just wish I could sit down with a Moto rep and get their side of the story with some hard numbers so I could see this from their shoes and form a purely objective opinion on their practices. All I got is I’m a customer and I’m not happy with Moto and won’t come back. Peace.

          • Opinion Man

            I will have to say even more and more everyday non tech/geek people are checking out these sites now. So that being so hurts companies who want to lock down more and more their devices and make it less in a way user friendly. People as noted in someone else’s reply notice these lags etc from device to device as moto blur slows it down where as the nexus s runs smooth due to being a pure Google experience.

          • Sputnick

            Couldn’t agree more!

          • Anonymous

            To be fair, the Droid didn’t have any other true Android competition at the time.

          • Anonymous

            To be fair, the Droid didn’t have any other true Android competition at the time.

          • Temp123

            I think Google has that covered, but maybe there is enough market for them to participate in.

          • Anonymous

            I think you’re right about the differentiation. And it’s right they’re not alone. HTC and Samsung have both taken this approach.

          • Anonymous

            Lol and looked how well that has worked out for Samsung, after the behold 2 debockle I swore id never own a samsung handset. Then the galaxy s line comes out and they sell 10 million of them, which is easy to see because they are some solid phones, but then shaft everyone once again on the update process. They have been very slow getting froyo to galaxy s phones, which is ridiculous because it fast approaching the 1 year mark. Im not saying that the skin is totally to blame, but samsung would have less of an excuse and a lot more explaining to do if the galaxy line ran stock android. Im a huge advocate for optional activation of the skin. Although this is a long shot, all of these devices ought to come with the skins enabled, but then have an option to turn it off and revert back to the stock experience, color scheme and all. Then when the updates are released, the company could push an update with just the stock skin, and then release a second update with the skin included when all the issuses have been worked out with the skin and the update. Haha although that could be confusing to most so idk, wishful thinking though in a perfect world.

          • Anonymous

            Samsung did fine on updates everywhere but the US, because our carriers suck.

          • Anonymous

            I disagree. Specs are what make people drool. Throw every sort of port/plug on a phone, give it 1080p playback, heck, 3D video just to attract those who find that sort of thing awesome, 4.3″ screen because people are insecure about the size of their manhood, and it will sell like hotcakes.

            And even if you ignore pure specs, Motorola construction is better than that of any other company right now. HTC has always looked and felt the same, and it’s hit or miss with people. Samsung feels horribly cheap. Motorola is the only company that can produce some good-feeling phones on a consistent basis.

          • Anonymous

            I disagree. Specs are what make people drool. Throw every sort of port/plug on a phone, give it 1080p playback, heck, 3D video just to attract those who find that sort of thing awesome, 4.3″ screen because people are insecure about the size of their manhood, and it will sell like hotcakes.

            And even if you ignore pure specs, Motorola construction is better than that of any other company right now. HTC has always looked and felt the same, and it’s hit or miss with people. Samsung feels horribly cheap. Motorola is the only company that can produce some good-feeling phones on a consistent basis.

          • Temp123

            Please don’t interpret my comments as sticking up for Blur. I don’t say that anywhere. I’m saying that a successful business model must include being able to differentiate yourself from your competition by more than just hardware specs. Maybe no one likes Blur. They still have to find a way to stand out in a crowd.

          • Anonymous

            The only think that Blur does is slow down a phone. It’s so terribly coded that it slows down transitions and the whole phone in general. That’s what the average customer sees. Even if the average customer isn’t going to root/rom/overclock their phone like us here, they ARE going to see that it looks like crap when you swipe from one screen to the other. But, oooh, the iPhone is nice and smooth!

            The default Android launcher may not be the most beautiful thing (to most people — some people like myself get all hot and bothered just thinking about it), but really, when compared with Blur, it’s the lesser of two evils. You want better experience and ease of use? Get rid of Blur. Problem freaking solved!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Irish/1327913021 Michael Irish

            you’re 100% correct about this. I’m amazed at how many phones I see that don’t even have widgets laid down. However, what you’re underestimating is the power of media and social habits. Android is a very popular name now. Motorola would advertise there new phone as “All new motorola phone”. Right next to it would say “Android phone”. 9/10, people reach for the one they’ve heard of. Moto knows this. They won’t be leaving Android anytime soon.

          • Temp123

            I don’t think I’m underestimating that at all. I think most people are after “brands” too. Motorola has a pretty good brand. Android is a good brand too. I think a good brand gets the benefit of the doubt, so people will trust it and give it a try. I think most everyday users are looking for “can I use this thing”, “does it do what I want it to do”, “is the vendor reliable” and “can I afford it”. That is the majority. Most don’t care about specs and OS updates. Maybe I’m wrong.

            I wonder if Mot can even come up with a fully functional, stable, and desirable phone/tablet OS that developers fall in love (pretty important) with in a market that has iOS, Android, Windows and the Nokia (whatever the heck they have).

          • http://profiles.google.com/animorphed Jake Byckowski

            This is somewhat true which is why motorola, HTC, and others spend the time to skin the device to make it more personal. They could be hiring those people mentioned above just to make their overlay skin better. HTC does a great job at skinning Android and keeping the speed. If these companies continue and get better and their end of the deal, then updates should be getting to end users faster.

          • Anonymous

            I agree, but then if that is your thinking wouldnt you agree that motorola should abandon blur and stick with stock android, which runs smoother and recieves updates faster, to make the end user experience better for their “wider customer base”.

            Also, with the exception of the G2 and the Nexus S, there is really no stock android device that is on the market today ( i know i am probably forgetting one). If Moto switched to just stock android and dumped blur, that would differeniate them greatly in the market already. I loved my OG Droid, but when blur made it to the D2 and DX I then went with HTC. And I hands down would have bought another Moto if it hadnt been for the skin. Lol if we have to live a skinned life atleast it should be something like sense, not cartoonish blur.

          • ondaroad

            Agree….as I’m one of those people..well..mostly. I have no clue about rooting, overclocking and know enough about widgets to have the ones that make my use of this D2 easier and convenient. I just need my phone to be reliable and make my life easier. I’m satisfied with it’s speed….but will always welcome faster. My mentality is more business related than gadget/fun related. I don’t care what operating system is on it and have no idea what Blur is.
            Does someone care to break down Rooting for me:)

          • Zee

            Don’t forget that Android is FREE! Moto is saved millions on development costs by using it.

      • Rizzidy

        It’s odd that you are getting a negative response to such an obvious statement. Motorola cannot compete on hardware alone. It will be a race to the bottom and everyone loses.

        • Anonymous

          “Race to the bottom.” Gee, where have I heard that before?

          Obvious troll is obvious.

          • Rizzidy

            I don’t know where you have heard it before, but it is clear that you need to work on your sentence structure. Being redundant does not help sell your credibility.

      • Anonymous

        no SINGLE company offers a completely stock android experience unless you get a Nexus device. Also, with the exception of the Nexus devices, all of them fail rather hard at keeping their phones updated. You want to differentiate yourself in a way that will get people to notice? Make sure you Upgrade the OS faster than anyone but Google. Make a high end phone (well beyond minimum specs) and keep the OS up to date.

        If you want to install a custom overlay, make it more like a launcher, something that doesn’t break with every OS update.

        • Temp123

          D1 and Xoom were stock no?

          • Rizzidy

            D1 was not fully stock. Don’t know about xoom.

          • Anonymous

            the D1 was 100% fully stock trust me i still own mine and won’t be getting rid of it anytime soon. After the D1 Moto started this blur nonsense and the D1 was spared that garbage. Also the Xoom is 100% stock as well.

          • Rizzidy

            Nope. Definitely not stock.

            It came with a separate build of Android as well as embedded applications.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, but Motorola isn’t known for stock devices. I’m saying make a company
            that only releases stock devices

          • Anonymous

            Sony Ericson seems to be doing just that. I never thought I’d be saying SE has a bright future with Android, but they may yet. I’d get a dual core, nice screen, vanilla GB SE before a Bionic (all else being equal).

      • http://profiles.google.com/animorphed Jake Byckowski

        Is that not how most business is? Take the entire computer world for instance. You have a system dominated by two differing OS systems where hardware ranges from the cheap low end to the powerful high end. There is no skin put on top of a Windows 7 system from Dell that looks different from a Windows 7 System from HP, in fact, many of there systems are nearly identical inside, its only a slight difference in how the tower itself looks. Same in the smartphone world now. Apple still plays the same game in this arena but faces Android rather than Microsoft. The only real differences should be in what we expect from the hardware, how it is designed, and if it works for us.

        • Rizzidy

          Wrong. Dell puts a lot of crap on top of Windows. In fact, all the major PC manufacturers include their own software.

          • http://profiles.google.com/animorphed Jake Byckowski

            They include the bloatware we hate, yes. But the PC experience is the same no matter the PC. The preloaded software is the same deal in both worlds. You will find that on Android now in the form of widgets or carrier loading. I didn’t want my “HP Photo Now!” crap loaded on my new HP, and I didn’t want VZW Navigator on my Incredible either.

        • Rizzidy

          Wrong. Dell puts a lot of crap on top of Windows. In fact, all the major PC manufacturers include their own software.

        • Temp123

          Except that nearly every hardware vendor includes their own set of apps and tailoring. I have several computers (like most everyone else here) and they are from different vendors. I never cared what they looked like. I cared about hardware specs (b/c I’m a nerd) and functionality. Most consumers will care about price and ease of use. Most of the customer base for computers and phones is not like us.

          • MK17

            The one thing about a computer is you could reformat it as soon as you get it to get a “vanilla” experience. You can’t do this on a bootlocked android phone

        • MK17

          I would like this twice if I could

      • Ido

        Here’s an Idea: add all the customization (and even bloatware) as update-able and removable apps.
        this way, if Google finds something that needs updates, you get a push update from google, and the software will be ported as any other software on the device. after a while, Motorola/Samsung/HTC can update their software.

        Everybody wins –
        1) The pressure goes down on Moto to update fast, since they aren’t the ones which are updating the OS.
        2) The “Normal” users get the same “Motorola” experience as in the current devices, but the OS is always up-to-date, so any security flaws get dealt with the moment Google releases an update, and they get all the new features when they are ready.
        3) The “Advanced” users can revert to vanilla OS and just enjoy the hardware (if they choose to, I like TouchWiz on my Samsung so I didn’t install a custom ROM even though I know how to)

        Come to think about it, there is a small loss to Motorola. part of their business model is to NOT upgrade your software after a year or two, so that you would have to upgrade your hardware if you want to use the new OS. it’s the lazy way out of real innovation.

      • Anonymous

        you bring up an excellent point I’ve never thought about… we all think we are know it alls when it comes to business, but the fact is, they probably have done their research or contracted companies to do it for them.. and I bet their findings don’t represent us .002% of the android population well

        but I do think put whatever skin you want on it, allow it to be removed, or unlock the bootloader is the answer.. especially since I haven’t seen a bricked phone since my LG dumphone days of the VX-6100 in 04′

      • Anonymous

        If Blur is how Motorola wants to differentiate themselves they will lose tons of customers. I loved my DROID 1 but am ready to dump my 3 month old Droid X because of Blur and locked bootloader.

        Im going to HTC where they are more reasonable. Its too bad cause I would have stuck with them for a long time. Motorola flat out told us that if we want custom Roms to go elsewhere.

        I am going to take their advice. And I am willing to pay full price to get away from Motorola.

        Anybody want a good deal on a mint 3 month old X?

      • LinuxLover

        No, Motorola differentiates themselves by offering the premium end of hardware. They can use Steve Jobs tag line, “We don’t sell junk!”, or something similar. Let HTC get the middle ground, and Samsung and LG fight it out for the low end. No one looks at Motorola as a software company, nor do the expect it.

        I think the majority of the market wants top notch, reliable hardware and vanilla Android. Everyone complains about all the skins and the differentiation. Honestly, they just need to avoid that and let Google take care of the software end. They can contribute, if they choose, and that would be smart to do, as it will allow input into the development process with Motorola’s needs in mind.

        If they think Android is fragmented, wait until they bring their own OS into the mix. Now, you’ll have WebOS, Android, Blackberry, iOS, and whatever Nokia’s working on to try and compete. how many developers are they going to line up to write for their home-grown OS? Talk about shooting themselves in the foot… You can see that anyone who isn’t using Android, except for the iPhone/iPad, is struggling in this market. Developers don’t want to maintain any more platforms than they need, and Android and iPhone/iPad have the public’s attention. The race is over. Google and Apple have won.

        If Motorola pulls away from Android, you’ll slowly see the market just handed over to Apple. This is bad for everyone involved. Most people I know want a Motorola Droid product instead of an HTC or anything else. They associate Motorola and Droid because it was the phone that launched the campaign.

      • http://www.youtube.com/lanech Lane Chaplin

        “So how do they differentiate themselves from the competition?” <— Submit their phones with Stock OS. Can you name a competitor on Verizon doing this?

      • Sputnick

        Differentiate themselves by being fully open, unlocked, and embrace developers to make their products attractive. They had this with the OG Droid which made them rise from the dead and they shit canned that,,,,shame on Motorola.

    • Stephen D

      Exactly. It’s their fault for putting skins and bloatware and all that crap atop Android. They could very easily make a stock device and ask Google to update it like they do with the Nexus devices, or something.

    • nikon d300

      I want a Verizon Nexus S!!!

  • http://twitter.com/daniel_ohh Daniel Ogilvie

    This is Motorola shooting itself in the foot.

    • Anonymous

      I think they’re aiming at their head.

      • Rizzidy

        F Motorola

      • Rizzidy

        F Motorola

      • Anonymous

        Good riddance, I say. Better do a doubletap.

      • Anonymous

        I agree. Would be a horrible move. Even Nokia is ditching Symbian because the know a proprietary OS is failure.

      • Anonymous

        I agree. Would be a horrible move. Even Nokia is ditching Symbian because the know a proprietary OS is failure.

      • Anonymous

        I not only agree with you but applaud your correct grammar, spelling whatever you want to call it. I can’t stand it when people don’t use there their they’re right. Kills me haha

    • Android69

      Sorry for the language… but this sums things up pretty well

      • Android69

        guess you can’t embed lol. try this.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvzrewTxQPU

      • Honeycomb_FTW

        love that scene!
        +10 to you!

        • Android69

          I love that move lol. If it were real our phones would be “Lougle” branded.

  • Anonymous

    first

  • Anonymous

    This inside source the same one that discovered the bootloader keys?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=185000778 Bee Balz

    wow. I think most people root their Moto devices to remove blur and the bloatware Moto slaps in it.

    • Temp123

      Most people? Most people here maybe, but I wouldn’t say most phones are rooted.

      • Mike

        most people that matter….

        • Geri O

          “Most people? Most people here maybe, but I wouldn’t say most phones are rooted.”

          “Most people that matter….”

          And who said you and yer rooted phone do?

          Geri O

    • http://twitter.com/apdcgt greentea

      You know whats funny….all these OEM’s want to differentiate themselves and use their own custom sh#$, but if one of them just used STOCK, they would differentiate themselves….. and they would leave the updating to google so they could focus on hardware and such.

      • http://winklerjr.carbonmade.com/ Wayne W.

        I want to like this a thousand times over.

      • http://smartrevu.posterous.com/ Wes Campbell

        thank you.

      • Anonymous

        I wish you could convince Moto of this. I’ve been saying the same thing since they first made blur. Can I nominate you for a position in Moto’s design team? lol

        • Anonymous

          Nah; let Moto do their own thing. They’ll, once again, crash and burn. Meanwhile, HTC and Sammy will continue to kick out awesome hardware, Heck, maybe LG and Sony Ericson will step up to the plate and make some nice stuff, too (they have been so far; SE’s even giving us stock GB with a gaming slider!).

          We don’t need you, Moto: you need us. You’ll learn that as soon as you come out with your new, Blur UI handset and it sells almost as poorly as WP7.

    • http://twitter.com/apdcgt greentea

      You know whats funny….all these OEM’s want to differentiate themselves and use their own custom sh#$, but if one of them just used STOCK, they would differentiate themselves….. and they would leave the updating to google so they could focus on hardware and such.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W3EZ6AIP7H556GK7JOZ7XF4HW4 Alex

    Motorola is doing the exact opposite of what people want them to do, smh