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Galaxy S7 System Uses Up 8GB Out of the Box, but You can Move Apps to SD

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Remember that big stink that was made about Samsung not allowing for Android 6.0 Marshmallow’s Adoptable Storage feature? Well, this is right here is why people threw a bit of a fit. Out of the box, the Samsung Galaxy S7 uses up 8GB of the phone’s 32GB for system apps and TouchWiz and whatever else Samsung has pre-loaded. That’s a quarter of all of your internal storage, to put it another way. That’s…not good. 

As you can see from the image above, before I even completed setup on my Galaxy S7 (we unboxed it here!), I was down to around half of my 32GB storage available. In actuality, the image shows that I’ve used under 16GB total, but I’m still installing apps and have already jumped past the halfway mark and now have around 15GB left to use. If I were a typical smartphone owner who keeps a phone for two years, 15GB isn’t leaving me much space to install apps to.

People were complaining about the lack of adoptable storage, because they assumed that heavy app-installers would quickly run out of space to install more apps. If you look at my situation, that could easily happen. However, after digging around in the storage settings of the Galaxy S7, I noticed that Samsung is still allowing you to move apps to SD cards, just like they have done in the past. Take a look.

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I ran through this process with a number of apps that I installed through Google Play that weren’t system apps. From games to airline apps to Google Analytics – they all let me move them to my 200GB SD. If I ripped the SD card out, it took away all of those apps and said they were tied to the SD card. That’s somewhat surprising, since the Moto X Pure Edition doesn’t allow you to do that. See for yourself here.

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So, Samsung may be using up 8GB of space for system apps and services, but they are still letting you move apps to an SD card to free up space on the internal partition. That’s a good sign, especially since you can put in up to 200GB SD cards in the S7 or S7 Edge. And now might be a good time to buy this 200GB SanDisk microSD from Amazon.

Feeling better about the storage situation?


  • Brian O

    I have a slightly different problem. I bought an 64 GB SD but my storage menu does not appear to allow me to move any apps to it. I don’t have a screen like the one shown above and can’t seem to find anywhere in the various menus where that option is offered. This pretty much renders the phone useless to me. No doubt its me failing to find something right in front of me (you should see me in a hardware store!), but possibly not. Any suggestions out there?

  • jtwildman1

    I’m not having any luck with moving apps..says will take a few moments..10 minutes later..nothing

  • Sidredd

    Unfortunately it seems loads of VR games and apps go straight to internal storage and many of them can’t be moved so Samsung appear to have shot their VR world domination plans in the foot by omitting adaptive storage…

  • Shelley Frick

    I’m so stuck. I have the Galaxy S7 Edge with a Samsung 128GB SD card inserted. I’ve formatted the SD card while it is in the phone and attempted to move apps over, but the phone is acting like the SD card isn’t inserted. My apps have the transparent “SD Card” icon your phone shows when you remove your SD card after moving your apps over. Any tips?

  • Johan Naudé

    I managed to move a lot of my apps to the SD but for some reason I can’t see the files in the explorer and my Storage isn’t shown accurately. It still shows there is only 2gb used on my SD even though I’ve transferred about 6gb’s worth of stuff via the App Manager. I restarted the phone too. Is this normal or did something go wrong?

  • k1DBLITZ

    I was very disappointed to find they disabled this feature. Allowing the SD card to be mounted as internal storage solves the following problems:

    1.) Not all apps can moved to SD – you are at the mercy of the developer.
    2.) Even when apps can be moved to the SD often times they are only partially moved – some of the app resides on the SD and some on internal memory.
    3.) Cache – It grows… and grows. Apps like Pinterest use GB’s of cache. It’s a double whammy. Yes, cache been cleared but that defeats the purpose of a cache.
    4.) In almost all cases, after an app updates (and some apps update frequently) it moves back to the internal storage at which point you must manually move it back to the SD. This can be very tedious and time consuming depending upon the number of apps It’s a vicious loop.

  • Richard Stieglitz

    i just got my new s7 edge.. it seems like a lot of my apps dont offer me the option to move to external and im already at 32!!! on my internal.. not so happy!! any help??

  • Sri

    my s7 edge from ATT does not provide this option to move apps to SD CARD, can anyone help why?

  • Jacob Couey

    Found a weird issue today, yes it is easy to move your app to external storage but when you update the app it automatically moves it back to internal.

  • Christopher Elvin

    Today I received my S7 edge and I can confirm that there is (as yet) no capability to move apps to the SD card

    • Sri

      My ATT s7 edge do not have that option to change storage. Are you from ATT or ?

  • I’m still astounded that people can eat up 32GB with apps. What apps are you people running?

    I only use up 4.73GB for apps. The biggest of those apps is Microsoft Office.

    The rest of the space I just use for media. If you have an SD card, that’s where all that stuff should be going. I just find it hilarious how much crap people put in their phones.

    But I understand that everybody has different priorities. I just find it mind-boggling what people put on their phones.

  • Gary Criswell

    My T-Mobile S7 Edge doesn’t have the option to change storage location. I’ve tried multiple apps.

    • Gary Criswell

      Well damn it, I must have not checked the right apps earlier as I found 1 that worked. Oh well

      • Laura

        what app was it, if you don’t mind?

        • Gary Criswell

          I tried to move the Best Buy app that I downloaded but it didn’t have the option. I tried a few more apps and they had the option to move. One app I could move was Instagram.

    • Sri

      My ATT does not have as well.. how come others are having this option to move apps?

  • Chris Vander Maas

    No adoptable storage means the SD card slot is useless without root and we still need to use Folder Mount. Better than not having that option and having a flagship phone that cant keep more than a few games installed, but meh!

  • Rick McKenzie

    I am not seeing the option to change storage location, when I go into the App/Storage. I am using S7 Edge (Model SM-G935T), running Android version 6.0.1, Anyone know if there is a setting that exposes this option?

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  • kenneth czyz

    I’m going to use the 200 gb I got for free when I got the v10

  • Gael Le Sann Nascimento

    Then you get an update on your app and it is back to phone storage. If you have a few apps around 200 mb and they get updated every week, i would give you a month to throw your brand new S7 thru the window.

  • Sam

    Why does it even matter how much the device takes up straight out of the box? It has an extra memory slot, so just go buy an SD card for unlimited more storage!

  • Mad Llama

    My question is, do they remain on the SD card after an update? On the GS5, they move back to internal storage, which is very frustrating.

  • Jon Spang

    Isn’t the best part about marshmallow that you can format SD cards as extended internal storage? No one is mentioning that, and if this phone runs 6.0 then it should be able to format 200 gb SD cards as internal memory making the phone capable of having 228gb of storage for anything

    • IceTrey

      “Remember that big stink that was made about Samsung not allowing for Android 6.0 Marshmallow’s Adoptable Storage feature?”

      Try reading the article first.

    • Chris

      No adaptive storage on this device. Samsung didn’t think we could handle the power.

  • Chris

    Move to sd is nice but on the s5 it is really picky on what it will put on the card. Some of my family have the 16 Gb version and I bought an sd to supplement thier gorge on games and apps and 90% had move to sd greyed out and even facebook which allowed it would not function right. I can only hope marshmellow apps function better with the sd or that expandable memory comes to the s7 and not just “hey we have an sd card slot”.

  • Ronald

    Moving your apps from high speed flash based memory to a cheap slow SD storage is a joke

    • IceTrey

      Buy expensive fast SD storage.

      • Ronald

        That’s wouldn’t matter as the memory controller would be the limiting factor

        • IceTrey

          So you have to wait a half a second longer.

          • Ronald

            That’s a big deal isn’t it, I mean most of us are here nitpicking useless benchmarks and app launch, reboot speeds etc.

  • krubby

    Unless I am crazy, I believe I can move apps to SD card on Turbo 2… And this is NOT with the new Marshmallow update (which I haven’t received yet anyway).

    Is the ability to move apps to a SD card unique?

    • Chris

      No, on my Moto X Pure on Lollipop I could move apps to the SD card. Now I can’t (on Marshmallow). I don’t understand why, I guess Moto wants us to make our SD Adoptable. I have no desire to do that.

      • krubby

        Hmm… I’ll be interested to see what happens when the DT2 gets the Marshmallow update (which supposedly is any time now but that’s a different story…).

  • Sam73065

    Compared to years past, 25% is miniscule. Samsung has always been a hog. But this is better than years past when Samsung was taking nearly 50% of 16gb storage.

  • Brian Richards

    Anyone using touchdown? Is it able to store it’s database on the sd card on this phone? On the s5 it THOUGHT it was storing it on the sd card, but because of the “virtual sd” it ended up just storing it in the main system storage area. I need to have a very large amount of email on hand for work, so this phone is dead to me if I can’t store that mail on the sd card and I’ll need to stick with my s6.

  • Handheld Addict

    That screen with the phantom SD apps icons sure brings back my Samsung memories. Just pray you don’t wake up one day to find your device not reading the SD card at all no matter what you do…. Which has been my sad outcome a few times now…

    (and I only use genuine Sandisk, Sony & Samsung cards BTW)

    • Butane87

      I’ve never done this…so when you move your apps to an SD does the app icon stay that way?

      • Handheld Addict

        Only if the phone doesn’t “see” therm. Once it does, they go back to normal. So when restarting the phone, when it first boots to the homescreen the apps might look like that for a few seconds.

        But with phones being so fast nowadays maybe this all happens so quick it’s un-noticible?

  • James Bray

    I didn’t know about the S7 not supporting the Marshmallow Adoptable storage… That is literally the best thing about Marshmallow. This has actually completely put me off of getting at S7 now.

    Storage is so cheap now! It shouldn’t even be a conversation!!

  • Be Together. Not the Same!

    A lot of people will never use the remaining storage, most adults don’t play games or put a bunch of junk on their phone, especially with security and privacy issues, I would rather put that junk on a tablet. SD storage for pictures and videos, and I still had a bunch of room on my 32GB Note 4. I understand this will be an issue for gaming hogs, then this isn’t the phone for you.

  • Doug

    I’m not sure what my 6P was out of the box but with virtually all the base apps still installed plus the ones I actually use regularly, plus the pictures I’ve taken since I got it (Not many) I’m still at barely over 5 GBs. Not sure where the 6p being 6-10 out of the box are coming from.

  • IgotGAME

    Not sure what the big deal is here…

    My Note 3, which I’ve had for 2.5 years now, has 7.72GB free on the internal storage. I’ve installed all the apps I could ever want over those 2.5 years. I mean damn how many apps do people put on their phones? My 32GB SD Card stores photos and music (granted I don’t take a ton of photos but have amassed over 2,000 of them during that time). It has 15GB free. Never had a problem with storage on this phone. My S7 Edge should be no different.

  • gabby131

    can you confirm if the apps moved to the SD card stays on the SD card when they update? thanks

    • Todd Nguyen

      I’ve noticed this too. Sure, I can move all my apps to the SD card on my One M8. But whenever the app updates, I have to repeat the process again. Are we doing something wrong?

  • Justen DeBowles

    Samsung Pay now supports WELLS FARGO!

    just had to spread that little nugget.

  • Worth noting that moving apps that have widgets and some that utilise active notifications may not work correctly (the widget/notifications part) when moved to the SD card. This has always been the case before unless Google/Samsung have fixed this now?

  • ChrisI

    Nice and lean.


    Yeah but is it like Samsung has done it in the past and you can move apps/games but in actuality it’s such a small portion of them that it’s nearly useless and usually gains you no more than 2gb’s over all?


      Nevermind just seen other comments and it sounds like it’s the same as they’ve been doing it lately and not a big deal you can move apps to SD because it is indeed such a small portion it’s basically useless.

  • paul_cus

    Oh, TouchWiz.

  • Dirk Disco

    Great news, thanks!

  • CabbageHeadCat.

    So the apps just load slower, but you don’t overload your phone?

  • Nate

    What bloat/preinstalled (non Android standard) apps are there on it?

  • David Quinones

    thanks for the heads up. i’ll look at other models.

  • RiceCake

    Well 8gb is a step in the right direction. I think my s6 had 22/23 available from a clean slate. But that’s what happens when you get a carrier branded device.

  • Foodie 3215

    I think while it is good they still allow the App2sd but the geeks may know how to do this but the general consumer will have to idea how to do this. The amount of storage left is ridiculous ~15gb left is diminutive these days with all the app/games and many have gotten larger in size. It always seems they get something right and then screw up in somewhere else. I’m guessing the reason they went with the 32gb was to keep the cost of the phone down.

  • pat johnson

    Samsung provides another reason why 16GB should never describe the storage capacity of your phone in this day and age. It should only be used to describe the amount of RAM in your computer 🙂

  • gargoyals

    So tell me again. Why did they remove adoptable storage?! I would understand if there was incompatibility issues or speed difference issues between ufs and the SD card, but THIS, they let this feature stay?! This is basically a half-ass version of adoptable storage! Even HTC A9 left the feature as is. Why remove a free enthusiast friendly feature.

    • MadJoe

      I can’t remember the exact reason, but Samsung and LG have both stated that they didn’t want to disable adoptable storage, but the way Google implemented it made it too much of a hassle or impossible to leave it enabled. I don’t whether or not that’s true, but it seems legit since LG and Samsung said the same thing. I don’t see any benefit to them disabling it, so it would seem logical that they did so only because they had to.

      • John H

        Because if you install an sd card and use adoptable storage, it formats the card. There would be tons of people tossing cards with existing photos, personal docs, etc., and inadvertently deleting them. Then guess who gets the blame? Samsung or LG, not Google. S7 they both opted out of that particular PR/support nightmare

        • gargoyals

          OK yes that I understand, but it’s not like an auto format feature. It’s a user choice to leave it as is or combine storage. Hide it in developer options or something. Probably wouldn’t activate or mess with the feature if you didn’t know what it does. Like I said HTC has it on the A9 no problem, the smallest of the 3 companies.

          • Mech_Engr_09

            Also I’m sure it would have to prompt you to erase the card before you do. So if you do it after that then it’s your own fault. You can’t make everything idiot proof or we would still be hitting each other with sticks in the woods.

        • Hyung-Woo Jung

          The feature warns the user that the SD card will be formatted and recommends that users back up their data prior to using it as an internal storage, and they’ll also recommend against using the feature if the card the user has is slow. Given that’s how it is in stock Android, I don’t buy the whole PR disaster theory. With a clear cut warning already included by default, it’s the users’ fault for not reading it beforehand.

          • John H

            Then you’re vastly under rating the knowledge level of the average user. Readers of this forum are NOT the average user. And I guarantee that if that option was automatic, Samsung’s tech support and in store personnel would be swamped with people who deleted their grand kid’s first steps. Most people take the sd card from their old phone and stick it in the new one. In this case all that data would be wiped.

          • Hyung-Woo Jung

            It’s not automatic either. You’re given a popup notification the first time you insert a card and it asks you which way you plan to use it (and of course “use as internal storage” comes with a warning in the description). If ignored or user choose “use as portable storage”, the user is not nagged and the feature remains accessible in the settings. Perhaps I am overrating the average joe who don’t know changing launcher is a thing, but I still find Samsung’s decision to be ridiculous. If they so wanted to protect the users, they could’ve hidden it under developer options.

          • John H

            The other consideration is that I don’t want my apps and app data on a storage media that is close to 50 times slower than my on board storage. That’s not on topic with what you are saying. I do agree they should have put it in Developer Options, but I’d personally never use the feature. Too much performance compromise and potential risk for failure

  • Sparkie3222

    As my current S4 is 16GB, 32 is an improvement straight away! Think I’ve pretty much decided on the S7 for my upgrade.

  • Lamar Taylor

    This is good news and calms my biggest fear. Right now I own the iPhone 6s Plus 128gb as my personal and the Galaxy S6 64gb as my business phone so dropping down to a 32gb phone is a big deal and a big compromise. I prefer internal memory over memory cards and I like that my iPhone can hold all my apps, games, pics, movies, music, and music videos without being forced to buy a memory card. Hopefully next year Samsung brings back the 64gb option. Instead of getting the GS7…I’m going to try the Edge as my business phone this year due to the bigger battery. Great article and thanks for the info.

  • Đeniz Ťanol

    Just root ur device and remove system apps u don’t need

    • Mike

      Yep, good luck doing that on any carrier device.

      • Evan Willis

        T-Mobile or Sprint

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  • Mark Reed

    Wait for the amazing news from Apple, no other phone will offer their standard storage, 32g for the entry level model in 2016, groundbreaking and ahead of its time…..There is talk they have also invented a thing called stereo recording, and 2017 could be the year they show off a thing they call the Apple wheel, like a normal wheel, but twice the cost.

    • John

      Wow mark, an Apple bashing comment, how original! I know you have nothing great to offer than the immature attacks on Apple, sad.

      • pyro74boy .

        Mark actually has a valid argument

    • pyro74boy .

      Yep Apple also claims that they invented the 3d touch feature. Lol of course we know that 3d touch has been available on Android software since Android 2.0

      • King Butt-Touches

        Long touch isn’t 3D touch, you moron. Admittedly, 3D Touch hasn’t lived up the hype, but give me a break.

        • pyro74boy .

          I never claimed it was.

          I was referring to in Android podcast that I ran across a few months back proving my point that the 3d touch feature has been on Android software since Android 2.0. My proof is below and the particular caller in question was fooled into believing that the 3d touch feature was an Innovative feature on Apple’s part and actually thought that Android hardware was going to become obsolete. Then that’s when Jerry from the podcast had to correct the caller And said that 3d touch has been on Android since Android 2.0 software in that no special hardware is needed For 3d touch. This particular segment of the show starts at around 11 minutes 40 seconds so please unless you have any sort of information proving me or Android central wrong stop this nonsense at once.


          • King Butt-Touches

            I’ll assume you’re talking about the “how many pixels is your finger touching simultaneously” solution to 3D Touch, which isn’t 3D Touch at all, but just a gross approximation at it. If it’s been on Android since 2.0, show me an instance of it being used.

          • pyro74boy .

            The only part I’m arguing about is the fact that it was available on the Android platform before iOS everything else is irrelevant Because this I have already proven with that simple link I provided you in the last post.I would strongly suggest that you listen to the podcast because you have given me Absolutely nothing whatsoever proving my point wrong. I expect you to have something proving me wrong on your next post. Sorry at this point your opinion doesn’t qualify as valid proof.


          • King Butt-Touches

            You are truly dense and shouldn’t talk about the topic any more until you educate yourself on the tech instead of regurgitating the insane ramblings of a random neckbeard. Unless you are that neckbeard, in which case you should still stop talking.

          • pyro74boy .

            I see so you have absolutely nothing proving me wrong so you resort to attacking me insulting my intelligence which is typical of the trolls on this website and all other websites for that matter. I make a valid point and the best you can do is attack me. Once again you have absolutely nothing proving me wrong so at this point It doesn’t matter what you think or how you feel because you’re just a butt hurts and Boy are here running your mouth with absolutely no proof whatsoever that the link that I provided is flawed or can’t be trusted.

            Happy trolling

    • Turb0wned

      Yet my 6s is still running lag free unlike “other” phones.

      Seriously this iPhone hate needs to stop. You don’t like iOS fine. The iPhone is one hell of a phone. The hardware works perfectly with the software. The battery life is great, camera is great, always gets updates. No carrier bloatware. iMessage is great. It just works.

  • IceTrey

    It will be rooted quickly.

    • LewisSD

      Samsung pay is too useful to root this phone.

      • IceTrey

        I’ve made it 50 years without Samsung Pay, I think I’ll survive.

        • Evan Willis

          That and Android Pay is always improving.

  • SeanPR11

    Not felling better about the storage situation.

  • Matt Perkins

    OK I have to ask this. Why would anyone pay iPhone prices for an Android device that also includes bloatware? Agreeing to bloatware usually means you get the product cheaper. You don’t buy a computer with bloatware and pay the same price as one that doesn’t have it. So why should you think it’s OK to do with smartphones? Some may say you’re paying for more specs. Well let me just say this. Android devices MUST have better specs than the iPhone to perform similarly to the iPhone in benchmark tests. This is because the Android OS is a far more power hungry OS than iOS is. So basically these Android devices must have these added specs to compete. If you ever tried an Android device with same specs as an iDevice, you would see what I am talking about. There is no reason to pay to put up with bloatware just because Samsung has to spend more on parts to make their devices perform similar to the iPhone. Samsung is paying extra money to make more expensive devices because they don’t want to spend the money to develop their own OS from scratch that is less power hungry. And Tizen is not from scratch it’s based on Android. If you go with more power hungry OS you have to feed it better specs to perform that’s all there is to it.

    • Spinach Chin

      IOS is terrible.

      • Matt Perkins

        You clearly have never owned an iDevice or you wouldn’t have made that comment. Let me break down all the advantages iOS has over Android. Security, Privacy, Quality of Apps/Games and performance/stability. iOS gets far less malware than Android and while 75% of iDevices are on iOS 9, while about half of Android users are on KitKat or older versions of Android with less than 10% of Android users on Android 6. Quality of apps and games are also better on iOS because developers develop the apps/games on iOS then port them to Android. The reason this is not only because developers prefer using C++ over Java but also because 75% of their income comes from iOS which countless articles point out both facts. Also there are 85% more bugs in Android devices than iOS devices. Android devices freeze more, crash more and reboot more than iDevices. The advantages Android user claim Android has over iOS are the same reasons they choose Android over iOS to begin with and that’s because most who buy Android devices can’t afford an iPhone. For instance the Android can install cracked apps/games without need to jailbreak or root. All this means is Android users can’t afford to buy apps/games so they side load the cracked apps/games and then wonder why they end up with malware on their device. Second excuse is Android devices have SD Cards. Tell me an instance you could take a 32 GB Android phone and also fill up a 256 GB SD card with apps/games? It doesn’t happen because half that data stays on the internal. It’s actually better to have a 128 GB device than a 32 GB device with a 256 SD card. The fact is people tend to buy Android because they can’t afford an iPhone. Only a select few actually are willing to pay iPhone prices for Android thus why Samsung is suffering 3 straight years of declining profits. If people generally chose Android for anything other than cost Android would have a higher profit margin than the iPhone not just higher user base, but it does not. Because 99.99% of Android users buy Android for cost and make excuses up to justify owning a $200 smartphone over a $650 one. Also ask the FBI which is better to secure your privacy an iPhone or an Android phone? Even though Android makes up 85% of the market, iPhones are always the focus because Android devices are far easier to break into.

        • Spinach Chin


          • Matt Perkins

            That wasn’t a copy and paste. But it’s nice to see you have nothing to show Android is better just simple statements from an unintelligent Android user with a $200 smartphone.

          • Spinach Chin

            You had no facts, just your feeling that people only buy Android phones because they’re supposedly cheaper.

            And your comments belie a fundamental misunderstanding about how Android receives updates. IOS users have to wait for major updates, while Android gets frequent updates through Play Services.

            Meanwhile, iOS was found to be the mobile OS with the most vulnerabilities in 2015, with almost 3x as many as Android. Pathetic.

            The only truthful part of your comment was the part about developers. The rest is pure, unsupported bollocks.

            Anyone that uses “99.99% of (noun) (verb) because (dodgy conclusion)” is talking straight out of their ass.

          • Matt Perkins

            First off there are plenty of facts to support people only buy Android cause they’re cheaper. You can look at the average price people pay for an Android device $250 compared to what the average person pays for an iPhone $600. You can look smartphone profits where iPhone makes up 94% of all global profits. Hell most Android users don’t even know the brand of phone they have only the company that makes it. I can also go on to point out that most Android users who own budget Android phones, tend to leave Android for iPhone the moment they are upgrading to a flagship device, this is a proven fact as well.

            Secondly you’re confusing service updates with actual OS updates. Google Play Store update does not count as an OS update. Both Android and iOS get one major update each year. It just so happens only 10% of Android users get to see that major update before the next major one is released while 75%-80% of iOS users end up on the newest OS. Also Google started monthly bug fix updates which also is not a major update, after Apple has done it for years with the iPhone.

            While iOS had more vulnerabilities than Android, Android had far more critical ones. Critical vulnerabilities are what are used by hackers. Critical Vulnerabilities and malware are the biggest issues in security and any security researcher would tell you the same thing. But I understand neither of those things favor your argument and that you had to rush through all the bad articles against Android and look for something favoring Android. I can also bring up that Google’s own people said Android wasn’t designed to be safe. And it still stands today that Android devices are still far easier to hack than iPhones.

            The fact is I know more about Android and iOS than you do. That’s whats really sad. You’re an Android user, yet I know more about Android than you do. I even know how to root Android, and flash Android. I bet you have no idea how to do either of those things.

          • John H

            When was the last time the Google Play Store was hacked and over 85 major apps were infected with malware? Because the answer is never. Apple can’t say that. September 21, 2015…

            And this thread is talking about Samsung flagship device, not a $200 prepaid Android. Samsung. The company that makes half of the internal components of your beloved IPhone because Apple is nothing other than a very effective marketing/design company.

            Let’s also dispel this security thing. The iPhone 6 was jailbroken within 48 hours of launch. The Samsung S5. 5! Still has not had root level access breached without tripping Knox. There is currently a $50,000 unclaimed bounty on x-dev for anyone who can do so. The level of security on a Samsung flagship is the same as iPhone. Thinking otherwise is pure fanboy.

          • Matt Perkins

            Let me get this straight in your head this one incident where 85 total apps were infected is worse than Android making up 90% of all mobile malware? I’ll break this down more. This in one incident and it involve legit developers using a rogue third party tool because the official one was too slow to download. So basically these apps were normally legit apps by trusted developers. Android gets 20-40 rogue apps a month in the Play Store. Not legit apps that got compromised, pure rogue apps that are allowed in due to Google’s Approve all policy. Now tell me what’s worse 85 infected legit apps that get cleaned and are back to normal or having rogue apps that keep being released and Google keep approving them? That’s right the rogue ones are worse. This is why Android makes up 90% of all mobile malware even if you include that 85 app incident. Google itself just recently pulled 40 rogue apps and before that 20 other ones. So thats 60 right there and none were legit apps that got compromised.

            As for your security argument. Android has always been harder to root than iOS has been to jailbreak, this is common knowledge. It’s also common knowledge than Android is far easier to hack than iOS is. So using rooting vs jailbreaking to determine security doesn’t really work. Especially since Android is more vulnerable out of the box than iOS is. You don’t even need to root Android to hack it. So rooting it also isn’t needed.

          • John H

            Please. Knox security is superior to iOS. It’s why Samsung Knox devices were the second (behind BlackBerry) to be approved for Department of Defence and Department of Justice use. You use stock Android as your measuring stick. I’m talking about Samsung and Knox. Knox > iOS

            Second, Google does NOT have an “approved all” policy. That’s just plain wrong. It’s an open dev platform, but the apps in the Play Store are scanned for viruses, malware and spyware before they are released.

            When you talk about 90%, first, that’s not true. It’s much lower. And you’re taking Android and globally where Android has a much bigger market share so obviously it will have more incidents. Especially with companies like Heuiwei gaining market share. But Samsung locks that down with Knox.

          • Matt Perkins

            We know you want to switch off the topic of iOS vs Android and focus on Knox vs iOS because Android vs iOS doesn’t favor your side. Knox isn’t an OS so you can’t really compare it to an OS. Also just because the Department of Defense approves it doesn’t make it more secure. You will see far more Congressmen with iPhones than with Knox phones. Hmmm why is that? Also if Knox phones are so much more secure hows come when it comes to encryption and security battles they’re never mentioned? Android has a higher global marketshare right? If Knox was more secure than iOS then Android and Knox would be put under fire by the government than iOS right? So why isn’t it? Google’s scanning for Viruses is no different than Apple having to approve all apps that go into the AppStore, the difference is far more malware apps make it into the Play Store even now than the AppStore so the effectiveness of Google’s supposed AV is questionable. As for your talk about malware itself. If you only focus on US, then you can remove the 85 infected iOS apps from your argument because that affected only Chinese Android users.

          • John H

            LMFAO about the congressmen comment! Those guys are biggest technical morons on the planet. I’m talking DoD and DoJ and you bring up an 80 year old representation from Podunk as your measuring stick!

            You brought up why anyone would anyone pay a premium Android when they could get an iPhone in the middle of a Samsung discussion. My bad. I thought you wanted an answer. I fully understand why you’d want to steer away from Knox and focus on the great, unwashed Android masses. But the fact remains that Knox is integrated in to the OS in Samsung flagship devices. Knox is more secure than iOS. Period. Samsung’s hardware is better, the OS is more dynamic and Knox makes it more secure.

            You can toss Android vs iOS babble around all you want. But Samsung is at the forefront of technical innovation right now. Apple makes a nice phone, no doubt. But that superiority complex of yours is wholly unwarranted.

          • Matt Perkins

            If you had watched the congress hearing over security, you wouldn’t have made the comment about the DoD and DoJ vs congressmen. A lot of congressmen have worked in the tech field before becoming congressmen, they have far more expertise in tech security than the DoJ and DoD. Matter of fact if you look at most attacks on tech security the DoD and DoJ pay someone else to do the attacks for them, they don’t do them themselves. Hell they can’t even figure out how to open an iPhone 5c without Apple’s help. They know almost nothing about tech security when it comes to using it to protect the people or finding information, they pay hackers or try to force the companies themselves to do it instead. Samsung hardware is again only better because Android is a slower OS, it’s been proven time and again. But keep trying to convince yourself that specs matter more than actual performance. In the end you will need to have someone who knows how to do tech attacks not hire others to do it for them, when you’re gonna use them as judge of what is secure and what isn’t. If they can’t destroy security on mobile devices themselves, they’re the last people I would use their opinion when it comes to what is secure.

          • John H

            Ahhhaaaaahaha! Yes. Congress is chock full of tech geniuses. Keep telling yourself that. And what does hacking ability have to do with security standards? The NSA advises the DoD on security standards and helps set them. They adopted Knox before iOS because of how secure Knox is. That was the point. Jeez. Try to keep up.

            “Let me break down all the advantages iOS has over Android. Security, Privacy, Quality of Apps/Games and performance/stability.”

            Maybe on Android devices in general, but not vs Samsung. Samsung is more secure with Knox. The Knox container gives you absolute privacy. Quality of apps? Maybe at one time and in some niche markets like music development. However, companies no longer develop strictly for iOS or even exclusively target iOS. The majority of people own Android devices. The app developers spend just as much time in on Android as iOS.

            We’ve already covered performance. Apple is playing catch up and has been since the iPhone 4S. The only thing you can hang your hat on is profitability. That because iSheep will flock to anything with that half eaten fruit on it. Look at the Apple watch. Crap battery life, not water resistant, ugly as hell yet sells millions. But hey, it looks great with your Uggs and half caff latte…

          • Matt Perkins

            Like I said it’s obvious you didn’t watch hearing. You also didn’t read about how the DoD/DoJ paid for a DDoS attack on Tor. You don’t follow along with anything. The NSA also couldn’t break into the iPhone 5c. So much for their standards too. Did it ever occur to you they want people with Android in general because it’s easier to break into and they know most will associate Knox with Android? Of course not. But the fact is the government seems to think the iPhone is more secure than ANY android device, since it’s mentioned more than Knox and Android when it comes to encryption and security, and you can’t dispute it because it’s a fact. So many articles back it up.

            You also need to go back to benchmarks when looking at performance. The iPhone 6s blew away the S6 in overall benchmarks, the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6s beat the S6 in gaming benchmarks and the iPhone 5s, 6 and iPhone 6s beat the S6 in browsing benchmarks. So tell me where is this actual performance advantage of Android devices you speak of? It’s not showing in benchmark tests, it’s not showing in stability tests either. So what standard do you use to judge performance? Personal opinion you wish to take as fact?

          • John H

            I’m glad you have such in depth knowledge of my background. I followed the Silk Road case with that nut DPR. And what those guys S waist6 the FBI and NSA did was nothing short of amazing. Of course it required luck and a great deal of time. But tracking a guy down who was using such great measures to conceal himself is amazing. It also has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we’re talking about. Those same guys eventually recommended approval of iOS. We’re they still incompetent? Of course not.

            The reason criminals prefer iOS is that most criminals are stupid. So they choose Apple devices because they’re aware of the PERCEIVED security advantage. So more criminals use iOS.. Congratulations? The fact that they aren’t aware of Knox doesn’t make Knox less secure. You’re equating popularity with better. The Honda Accord is the most stolen car in the US. So it’s the best, right? No. It’s just the most popular.

            I’ll let the Geekbench test tell they performance tale

          • Matt Perkins

            First off it’s funny how you wouldn’t show how the S6 did compared to the 6s because you know the 6s is faster you instead went to the Note 5 which is newer than the 6s. Didn’t like the result the Galaxy S6 had did you? As for security. The FBI case vs Apple and this on going fight for encryption has went on since 2014 and Android is always a side note, you rarely hear Knox mentioned in any of that either. When it comes to encryption and security even the government ALL branches mention iOS more than Knox and Android. You hate that I know. So you’re gonna make excuses to justify it. The reality is whether Knox is more secure than iOS for the people or not doesn’t matter if the government itself has a way through it. Sounds to me like Samsung gave the government the ability to disable Knox. Be happy that Android companies are more willing to make their devices more vulnerable for the government thus also making them more vulnerable to hackers and other governments.

          • John H

            Why would I show the S6 vs the 6S? The Note and the 6S are on the same release cycle. If you really want to be unfair we could show the S7 vs the 6S.

            So wait, you’re saying that Samsung gave the government a side door in to Knox? ! ? ! LMAO! Don’t hurt your self making those ridiculous leaps in “logic”! Full release Knox has never been breached. Ever. You can connect whatever ludicrous dots you see under your tin hat, but Knox is Enterprise software. Samsung is never going to open a back door in business software.

            So now we go all the way back to your idiotic initial assertion/question about why anyone would buy an Android, specifically a Samsung, when they could buy an iPhone. Simple. It’s easily just as good if not better in almost every appreciable way. Better screen, better battery life, better camera, expandable memory, water resistant. That’s why.

          • Matt Perkins

            First off both the S6 and 6s were released in 2015 so they are in fair comparison. Matter of fact the comparison should be the S6 vs 6s and the Note 5 vs 6s Plus but you don’t want to compare the S6 vs the 6s because you know the S6 got smoked by the 6s in benchmarks. That is the only reason you don’t want to compare the 2. Admit it you looked up benchmarks, saw the 6s beat the S6 and then saw the Note 5 beat the iPhone 6s and chose to use the Note 5 instead. Just admit it.

            All I have to do is continue stating the fact that almost no one mentioned Knox when talking about security when it comes to security researchers or the government. It’s always about iPhones. There are far more Android phones out there and I’m sure there’s plenty of Galaxies that the government have gotten ahold of, but seems like only the iPhones are they having issues with. Why is that?

            My very first post never once said why would anyone buy Android, I asked why would anyone pay the same for bloatware as they would for an iPhone that doesn’t. There are Android devices that don’t come with bloatware with as good or better features/specs as the S7. So why choose the S7 over another Android device of same specs/features but less or no bloatware? Because of the Samsung name right? Makes it worth putting up with that bloatware.

          • John H

            The iPhone 6S and the Note5 were released within a month of each other. The Note5 and the S6 have the same processor. The only major difference is the RAM. I don’t need to look up this stuff. I work in the industry and know it like the back of my hand. You sound like a child babbling on about “admit it” The point is that Samsung makes hardware and software every bit as capable as the iPhone.

            You make pompous claims about peerless security and are shown wrong. Now you’re bringing up some ridiculous anecdotal crap about who talks the most about which device as if that somehow correlates in to something significant. If iOS is so secure, how come Samsung was approved before it? The answer is that Knox is every bit as secure. The fact that your imaginary experts aren’t talking about it (what does that even mean, anyway? ) is totally irrelevant.

            But your original statement about bloatware is still just as douchy and stupid as the rest of your arguments. If you buy a carrier iPhone, it has the carrier bloat on it. Same with Samsung, HTC, LG, etc. If you buy the unlocked version of the S6, it’s just as bloat free as the non carrier version of the iPhone.

          • Matt Perkins

            Keep making up excuses that the S6 with better specs got destroyed in benchmarks by the iPhone 6s. What’s you’re excuse it lost to the iPhone 6 in gaming benchmarks since it is newer than the iPhone 6? And please share your justification as to why the S6 is slower on browsing benchmarks to the iPhone 5s which is even older?

            Also the fact the iPhone is mentioned more and been proven to cause the government more issues to break into trumps any claims by the DoD that Knox is more secure. The government has never been frustrated getting into an Android device whether it be an Galaxy with Knox or just Android itself. Let me know when the government’s actions with Knox match their claims.

            Oh but the iPhone doesn’t come with carrier bloatware. The fact you think it does shows you have never owned an iPhone. I bought my iPhone from Sprint itself, not one piece of carrierware was on it. This is what I mean about Android users, they have never owned an iDevice yet for some reason they think they can judge iOS based on their zero knowledge of iOS. Here’s facts for you based on a guy who has had both iOS and Android and from others who have actually had both not just claim it. iOS is a faster OS, that’s not even disputable. The proof that the 6s with less specs killed the S6 in benchmarks shows that. Android is less stable. Android phones freezes, slowdown and reboot more often than iPhones (there’s even stats to back that up too). The quality of apps/games on iOS are also superior to the Android versions (developers care more about iOS than Android thus build their apps/games on iOS and port them to Android). These are actual facts. Matter of fact most iPhone users who switch to Android, don’t stay with Android because of those things I just mentioned. But I rarely see someone who has left Android for iOS go back to Android. Plus if iOS users really want Android features and openness we can just jailbreak, which for the record has better tweaks than what rooted Android offers. Also still more secure than most Android devices as well. I personally don’t need the openness of Android since I don’t mind spending money on apps/games. I am waiting for some form of physical proof by security researchers or the government to show Knox is stronger than iOS not just a claim with no actual evidence.

          • John H

            Oye. You’re exhaustively simple minded. The S6 does not get destroyed by the 6S. The link I posted shows the Note5 result on par with the 6S. That’s the same processor in the Note5 as the S6. So I’m not sure where you see this “destroyed” thing. Unless you’re eating up the Boy Genius slop. Then that would explain a bunch. BTW, that same link shows the S7 processor mauling the 6S. THAT is what destruction looks like.

            The fact that Apple is currently involved with a high profile battle with the FBI has zero to do with the level of security in a Samsung. They both use AES 256-bit ODE encryption, so how is Apple more secure?

            I’m guilty as charged. The last iPhone I owned was the iPhone 4. Company paid so I used it. I thought for SURE it had carrier crap on it. But apparently I’m wrong. That also has nothing to do with your claim that the iPhone is better. Carrier subsidized Samsung has carrier bloat that’s easily removed. The unlocked version has none of it.

            I also showed you actual Geekbench 3 results. Not some blowhard opinion, but actual results. Where is this superiority you speak of?

            Stability? Try again. Here’s the actual facts from the last conclusive tests: “Apparently, iOS 8+ crashes slightly more often than Lollipop, having a 2.2% crash rate compared to Android 5’s 2.0% rate. iOS 8 also loses when compared to the previous release (iOS 7 had a 1.9% crash rate), while Lollipop beats bot KitKat and Ice Cream Sandwich, each having 2.6% crash rates.” That’s from BGR, a notorious Apple fanboy site…

            So there’s your actual facts. Not innuendo, not suppositions, but actual facts. Sorry. You lose. Samsung is every bit as capable as iPhone. And you don’t have to have a Napoleon complex to own one.

          • Matt Perkins

            Again you can’t find hard evidence to state your case that Knox is more secure outside of XDA bounty and a claim from the DoD. Even though the phones that the FBI are having a hard time breaking into are not Galaxy phones. Also the fact the XDA bounty was only $50,000 compared to the iOS one that was a million bounty should tell you the security level difference. $50,000 Knox bounty, $1,000,000 iOS bounty … hmmm.

            Weird this says Android devices make up for 85% of all smartphone crashes and it’s from this year. https://bgr.com/2016/02/23/iphone-vs-android-reliability-failure-rates/

            Then for benchmarks there’s this gaming one: https://www.gamebench.net/en/blog/iphone-6-vs-galaxy-s6-which-performs-best-gaming

            Then there’s the performance benchmarks: https://bgr.com/2015/09/28/iphone-6s-performance-benchmarks/

            Anything else?

          • gargoyals

            Don’t know if you hate Android or what but here are my thoughts and I’m sure some Android users would agree on.

            Price is a huge factor; if I can get 80-90% of the functionality of a flagship phone for half the price……why not? Pretty easy decision for those looking for maximum value.

            Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Apple. I own an iPad air 2. Why? Because it was cheaper. The only other comparable Android tablet of the same size at the time was the xperia z tablets and it was like $5-600. So yeah price is a huge factor especially since the functionality is pretty much the same between the two OS.

            A lot of the Android fans probably have not used ios devices in past few years. I know ios has improved a lot because I own a device, but ios was pretty bad until like ios 7 (could be 6, can’t remember). Prior to that the OS multitasking wasn’t even a thing on ios so Android was seen as the more powerful OS. Now they’re pretty even in terms of software capabilities.

            Now for a phone I chose Android. If I could get a device that was cheaper and provide a more fun experience, why not? I say more fun because I personally love how I can tweak much more than ios. Even small things like animations. I can also customize it much more. Make it more personal. The only way iphones look personalized is the case(if you use one) and the wallpapers. With Android you can customize much more: launchers, widgets, Roms, app drawer, etc. Oh and you can change the ROM. Sometimes you get bored, flash a new ROM and the fun starts all over again.

            Customization doesn’t end in software. There are hundreds or thousands of Android phones for you to choose from. Each with their own design and hardware. You don’t have to choose from two sizes.

            It’s a sacrifice that’s worth making for many of us. More security issues or what not. Google is providing monthly security updates now and Samsung has knox(not sure how effective it is). I personally havent had any issues. OS updates are an issue. Some manufacturers may start to move to off contract, off carrier sales like moto and roll out faster updates…..hopefully. Having updates to go through carriers is such pain. I also agree on the bloatware issue. I personally go for the near stock phones like moto, nexus, or flash cyanogen.

            Also they’re huge. Dangerous. 94% of market profit? Their moves can have massive impact in tech industry. I don’t like that. One call from Tim Cook and I would need to use an adapter to plug in my 3.5mm headphones for the 7. If they make that move I will hate them forever; companies will follow because of their massive influence.

          • Matt Perkins

            I actually don’t have an issue with Android itself. Matter of fact my initial post was more a question about just one smartphone. I actually had an Android phone before I had an iPhone. I had a Motorola Cliq which came out before the first Droid phone. The reason I left Android is because I could not see a reason to pay a premium price to get less performance. My iPod Touch 2G got more updates than my Cliq even though it was older. Games ran smoother on my iPod Touch than my Cliq as well. There’s just something wrong when an older device runs better and does better with games than a newer device. I actually got a Kindle Fire 5G, and it’s so much slower than my iPhone 6 Plus, I actually haven’t used it in over a month. As for profit. Android companies have themselves to blame for this. They try to put their flagship devices in a price range most Android users just aren’t willing to pay. And flagship devices are where companies make their money. Samsung could double their smartphone profits by selling their S7 for $450 as it would not only get some budget users to choose their flagship instead but also may get some iPhone users to go with Android to save money. But Samsung is determined to sell Android at iPhone prices, and it’s just not gonna work. As for the headphones thing. I don’t mind needing an adapter for my Bose headphones IF it means better quality internal speakers. And rumor is they will use that extra space to add another speaker so that might be a good compromise.

          • SonicPhoenix

            So your two points of reference in comparing the Apple and Android ecosystems are a phone from 6+ years ago before Android even began to become popular and a recent Android tablet that you’re comparing to an apple product that cost about six times as much?

            And now your premise is that the galaxy s7 and edge offer less performance than the iPhone offerings?

            Your original question was fine and the answer is because the other features of the phone outweigh the negative of the bloatware for the people who choose to purchase it. I hate Touchwiz but this offering from Samsung ticked enough other boxes that I chose to buy it despite that.

            I think that the premise that Android flagship phones offer less performance than iPhones is false. I can understand why people would value some features more than others and in that regard, that is no wrong choice but to argue that performance is flat out worse in all aspects just seems incredibly closed-minded.

          • Matt Perkins

            If you don’t believe me about performance. Look at how the iPhone 6 did against the S6 in gaming benchmarks. The S6 is newer than the iPhone 6 yet it got smoked on gaming benchmarks. Also The S6 lost to the 6s in normal benchmarks. And even the iPhone 5s beat the S6 when it came browsing benchmarks. So what do you go by to determine performance if those things don’t? I also know the iPhone 7 will beat the Galaxy S7 in benchmarks because the newest iPhone beats the Galaxy every single year.

          • SonicPhoenix

            We weren’t talking about the S6, we were talking about the S7.

            You’re defining performance as one very specific area. I’m talking about everything upon which a phone can be measured. Processor, camera, storage, OS features, other hardware features, screen size etc. And benchmarks don’t really matter to me if the end experience is nearly identical. The camera on the S7 is better. The processor is faster. There’s more RAM. It has removable storage. Samsung pay works with regular swipe card readers. These are all areas in which the S7 arguably surpasses the iPhone. There are other areas and considerations where the iPhone surpasses the S7 and when the new iPhone is released in many months, it will probably perform better. But right now, to claim that the current crop of iPhones perform better than the S7 in all areas is really just disingenuous.

            Yes, the next iPhone will probably surpass the S7 in some or most or even all of these areas but that’s several months of tech development later and then the next iteration of the Galaxy will be several months of development after that and they continue to leapfrog each other.

            At this point, it doesn’t sound like you’re asking an honest question if you’re incapable of believing anyone’s response. Why are you even posting to this forum if you refuse to accept or acknowledge people’s answers to your questions?

          • Matt Perkins

            Processor and RAM only matter if it makes the phone faster and more stable. Do you realize the S5 had better specs than the iPhone 6s yet wasnt faster or as stable? As for the Camera argument, Android users used to act like the camera didn’t matter because their excuse when the iPhone camera was better is people who care about picture quality use an actual camera not a phone. Now all the sudden cameras in phones matter. When the iPhone ends up with better picture quality rest assured Android users will go back to picture quality on a camera doesn’t matter. And I believe answers from people who have used both iOS and Android not ones who give their opinion from one side and act like Android is better cause of it. I’ve owned both Android and iOS so I know both sides. I also follow benchmarks and all articles involving iOS, Android and Windows mobile because it’s plain dumb to focus only on one aspect or one OS.

          • SonicPhoenix

            Owning and using an Android phone from 6+ years ago and a tablet that you compare to another device that costs over 6 times as much doesn’t sound like knowing both sides very well. But that aside, in a discussion about the Galaxy S7, a new device, why do you insist on talking about other devices that are one or two generations old? You’re talking and asking about the S7 but continually keep bringing up the S5 and S6 as examples of phones that weren’t as good. They probably weren’t. The S6 was a step down as far as I’m concerned and Touchwiz on the S5 lagged terribly which is why I wasn’t interested in them. The S7 from all reviews doesn’t seem to have any of those problems, brought back the features from the S5 that were removed, improved on them and added several new ones.

            And you don’t believe that there’s a single feature on the S7 that is better than the iPhones currently available? SD card? Samsung pay? Several other people do and they’ve explained as such. If you simply don’t believe them then there’s no further reason to continue. You’re not going to convince them and you seem unable to accept that this might be a device that performs better in some, or even many aspects that an iPhone that’s six months old. Personally, I believe that the camera is not only better but much better. Several review sites put the cameras on the current crop of flagship Android phones at or above the camera on the iPhone 6. The S6 edge is pretty consistently rated at or above the iPhone 6s and the camera on the S7 looks way better. Samsung has a pretty good history making some of the best cameras available on phones and the includes iPhones. Maybe the next iPhone will have an even better camera. It’s entirely possible. But I’m willing to bet that the camera on the S7 is better, particularly in low light, than that of the iPhone 6s.

            As far as cameras not mattering, there’s a saying among photographers: “The best camera to use is the one that’s with you.” At this point, camera phones outperform point and shoots until you start getting to the $400 price point. Yes, I would obviously rather have my SLR with a prime lens of the appropriate focal length attached to take a picture, but it’s far more likely that I’ll have my phone when any given photo opportunity arises. This has been true for years and will likely continue to be true. Anyone who says or said differently is wrong.

          • Matt Perkins

            I actually have a Kindle Fire as well. But you know the odd thing is most on here while they tell me I should try Android now to compare, they have never once owned an iDevice. So they’re basically telling iPhone users to try Android without willingness to try iOS, kinda defeats the purpose don’t you agree? Plus I have mentioned in one of my posts my sis owned an S5 and yes I have used it, it is far slower than my iPhone 6 Plus is especially when it comes to how it handles data in areas of weak coverage.

            I never said that the S7 didn’t have better features than the iPhones currently out. I’m not sure how you can say Samsung Pay is better than Apple Pay though seeing as Apple Pay is more secure than Samsung Pay is. It’s also more widely used than Samsung Pay is. SD Card I have brought up on multiple occasions that it would be useful IF you could install apps/games directly to the SD Card. I also know Android 6 allows for this but Samsung decided not to allow that feature in the S7. I honestly think the G series by LG are the best Android phones, Samsung is just an overhyped brand that never actually does as it’s expected compared to other top Android flagship brands. BTW LG G5 does allow for install on SD card and I will definately take a long hard look over it when it’s time to upgrade. I almost got a G3 instead of my iPhone 6 Plus. It was a real fight for me on that. What made me end up choosing the iPhone over the G3 was design and the fact I don’t want to risk plopping down $600 for a smartphone that may or may not getting 2 years of updates.

            And yes photographers say that but Android users only took that seriously when some Android phones surpassed the iPhone in quality. That said while the S6 did have better picture quality than the iPhone 6s is wasn’t THAT much better that you could say this is so much better. Tests have shown in general that the G series actually takes the best pictures. No Samsung fanboy wants to go into that conversation though. Also if you haven’t noticed most photographers still use iPhones as their phone of choice for pictures. iPhones are the perferred smartphone of professionals whether it be doctors, photographers or even businesses. Hell Donald Trump tells people to boycott Apple products but he still tweets with an iPhone. Hell some people at Samsung have tweeted on an iPhone as well as a head of Microsoft and someone at BlackBerry. Makes you wonder if they really believe their own products are as good as the iPhone if they’re using the iPhone instead of their own phones they create to tweet with.

          • SonicPhoenix

            The Kindle Fire is the tablet that I referenced where you compared it to an iPhone 6. I don’t know why you insist on arguing what other Android users have said in the past. It not really relevant to what either I’m saying now or your original questions. I do agree that it’s hypocritical to say that one side should try the other without being willing to do so onesself but that’s a straw man and irrelevant to boot. And again with the previous generation of Galaxy phones – who cares, they had their issues but the S7 is a different model. It’d be like me going on about the antennae issues on a previous generation of iPhone. It’s irrelevant. But since you seem to care, I owned a 3rd generation iPod nano and my mom has an iPhone 6s that I provide tech support for so I guess I can say I’ve experience on both sides.

            There isn’t much left to say but one thing to note about the SD on the S7 is that even though it’s not adaptable storage, you can move apps or at least part of the apps to the SD card. That’s a pleasant surprise for me though I was happy with the SD just for picture and video.

            LG does take great pictures and it’s really subjective on whether any given LG camera is better than a corresponding Samsung camera. They each have situations where they’ll take a better picture over the other so it’s really up to personal preference. I’m optimistic that the F1.7 lens combined with the larger pixels on the S7 sensor will take better low light pictures without flash which is something I tend to value more than other aspects. Its why I primarily shoot with a 50/1.4 fixed lens on my SLR with no flash. If someone else is looking for better resolution in sunny situations, they’d probably be better served with a G5.

          • Matt Perkins

            And as I’ve pointed out on many of my other comments, moving to SD card is not putting all storage on your SD Card. A Kindle Fire I can use as an example. 8 GB internal with 256 GD SD does not equal 264 GB of storage unless 90% of your SD card is used for stuff like downloaded music or videos. Matter of fact you will be lucky to get 16 GB of stuff onto that SD card before your internal is full and won’t let you use your SD card because of it. What I’m also saying is if you use Gaming Benchmarks or browser Benchmarks, the newer Android devices don’t even fair well against older iPhones. The Galaxy S6 couldn’t even beat out the iPhone 6 in gaming. The Galaxy S6 couldn’t beat out the 5s in browsing. So in some ways older iPhones can out perform newer Android devices. Another bonus to iPhones is trade in value. As for the why I insist on arguing, My very first comment was a question and someone else had to say iOS sux without giving a reason. I was merely curious as to why someone would pay $500 or more for a smartphone that has bloatware from carriers when you can buy a device that has no carrierware at the same price like an iPhone. I just don’t understand paying for ads which is basically what you;re doing.

          • John H

            You do understand that the Samsung S6 and S7 are technically superior phones to the iPhone 6 and 6S, right? Why would they undercut themselves? It’s the most popular Android device by far and not everyone wants to be led down the Apple cattle shoot.

            You’re basing your Android experience on a phone that’s more than 5 years old when Android was in its infancy. BTW, look at numbers of who is moving to which device. More new Android users are former iOS users than new iOS users are former Android users.

          • Matt Perkins

            You should look at how many former FLAGSHIP smartphone users have moved from iOS to Android and Android to iOS. Using total numbers is an excuse since most iOS users who leave for Android usually go with a budget phone because they no longer can afford a flagship one. Ask Samsung themselves because they see far more Android users leaving Galaxy for iPhone than the other way around. As for your superior argument. Do you realize Android devices have to have to have more specs to perform equally to iOS because Android is a more power hungry OS? Look at benchmarks. The Galaxy S5 had more specs than the iPhone 6 yet the iPhone 6 performed better. Hell in gaming benchmarks, the iPhone 6 beat the Galaxy S6. In browsing benchmarks even the iPhone 5s beat the Galaxy S6.

          • Matt Perkins

            Don’t know if you hate Android or what: I’m not a hater of Android, I actually had an Android phone before my first iPhone. I just hate Android users who insult things without giving a reason why.

            Price is a huge factor; if I can get 80-90% of the functionality of a flagship phone for half the price……why not?: I have no issue with people choose devices based on price. I have issues with people who choose devices based on price then go after those who have more expensive devices.

            Also they’re huge. Dangerous. 94% of market profit?: Apple’s influence in general is a good thing as they are pushing for security for the people. The headphone adapter I can live with if it means better sounding internal speakers like rumors are going around.

          • John H

            Whose security is better? Samsung Knox or iOS?

          • Matt Perkins

            The problem with all this is Android users who use Knox tend to go strictly by rooting vs jailbreaking as the determination of security. Even though Android has always been harder to root than iOS has been to jailbreak yet Android is easier to hack than iOS, Android users still rely on jailbreaking vs rooting. Also most Android users assume that Knox and Google protect them so they don’t use top notch AntiVirus. They assume Knox and Google do all the work. Google may scan for malware but it doesn’t remove all malware. Knox has zero AntiVirus built into it, absolutely none. So answer your question, I would still lean toward iOS because Android users have not given any evidence Knox is more secure outside of jailbreaking and rooting for their argument with security. I don’t see any reports that show a lower percent of Knox devices are hacked or have a lower percent of malware. Until there are actual security reports to back these claims up they’re only claims.

          • Spinach Chin

            Of the devices I’ve owned that were rootable, I’ve rooted every one.

            Here’s the thing: some Android devices never get root, and many more take months before a suitable exploit is found. My Droid Turbo, for example, didn’t see root until a year after release.

            By contrast, new versions of iOS are jailbroken WITHIN HOURS of release.

            Nothing else needs to be said here.

        • yowhatsup

          I can afford the iphone (maybe just 16 and 64 gb) but I chose not to get one because I find it boring and lacking features and i admit I personally don’t like the hype and popularity surrounding it. Sure it’s a great phone and very straightforward, effective, and simplistic, but I prefer android.

          I’ve never dealt with security issues or malware.

          IMO, My s5 is way better than the iPhone 6s in terms of features. Sure the iphone beats it in certain categories, but I get sdcard, removable battery, water resistance, an amazing amoled screen, lots of little features like multiwindow, customization without having to root, widgets, and maybe more.

          To each his own though.

          • Matt Perkins

            S6 did away with the removable battery and the S7 continues that. Removable battery is a nice feature to have except for most people, you’re gonna upgrade before you need a new battery so in most cases the removable battery is more a gimmick. The SD card would be useful if you could install apps/games to the SD card not just move them to the SD Card. The biggest issue with the S5 is how it handle data in areas with spotty service. My sis has an S5 and we went on a trip together to a place where our service just isn’t good. We both have Sprint. Anyways my iPhone 6 Plus had signal far more often than she did. She actually kept asking me to look things up because her phone always had no LTE or even 3G, it was out of service most of the time.

          • IceTrey

            You compleyely ignore the fact that you can put hundreds of gigs of media on multiple SD cards and swap them out. You can carry a terabyte on just 5 cards. Can’t do that with an iPhone.

          • Matt Perkins

            Because that excuse doesn’t work anymore. Most people now stream music and movies thus making the media SD Card argument a moot point. You’re prolly one of those guys who illegally downloads things and stores it onto an SD Card because you either can’t afford to pay for anything or are too cheap to pay for anything.

          • IceTrey

            I don’t believe that at all. I don’t know anyone who streams movies on their data plan. Not at $15 a gig once you go over your cap.

        • Robert Stevens

          Hahaha did you just make up those number off the top of your head? Like you know there are EXACTLY 85% more bugs in Android devices? That sounds like terrorist-protector Cook saying that so many iphones are being bought by people switching from Android yet somehow Apple iphone shipments declined the last quarter and Android still has a commanding market share. Something doesn’t add up, Mr. Cook. Keep saying that Android users can’t afford iphones. It won’t make your small dick any bigger. While Android caters to all price levels, there are plenty of Android users who pay just as much for their flagship Samsungs, LG’s, HTC’s, Sony’s, Motorola’s, etc. I wouldn’t use that toy OS if I was given an iphone for free. I’m glad Apple finally figured out that if I opened up a link from an email that I might want to go back to the email app after reading the link without having to double tap the home button and switch back to it. Who thought it was a great idea to have the back button in Safari on the bottom but on the top of virtually every other system app/setting? Thank god Android has a back button. Anyway, go back to your elite phone that only 15% of people can afford. Maybe one day you’ll be as elite as Windows Phone and be part of the 1%.

          • Matt Perkins

            Well if you actually looked things up you would know my numbers may be a percent or so off but they are facts. The fact you commented without looking says everything. That’s the issue with Android users, they respond without looking anything up.

          • Slainte Threeseventeen

            I find it odd that you KNOW Robert didn’t look up any of your “facts”. Perhaps he did, and he could not substantiate them (it appears he replied 2 hours after your comment…so…) I just started with googling “android bugs to ios %” and the first 5+ hits are all about how ios9 could be pushing iphone users to android because it’s so buggy. I admit, I skimmed the articles because I am just looking for some references to the bug % you stated. And, I have not yet changed my search criteria, but I am still looking. You could make it easier by perhaps posting the sources. I’d be interested to read them, especially on the bug count, of course.

          • Matt Perkins

            OK here’s the stability test I was talking about https://bgr.com/2016/02/23/iphone-vs-android-reliability-failure-rates/

            Android accounts for 85% of all device failures.

          • Slainte Threeseventeen

            Thanks, I’ll have to download the Blannco report, because BGRs coverage is missing some details. Others citing the report lead with the fact that 75% of the issues are not actual hardware or software problems, but user issues (such as apps running in the background, batteries damaged from unnecessary charging, etc). PC Mag cites “The Blancco study analyzed an unknown number of smartphones and tablets that underwent diagnostics testing on the SmartChk platform.” but another article cites “millions”. Both troubling if Blannco did not break down the study group. Questions arise such as, how many devices were tested (was it indeed “millions” or at least significant), was the study group balanced, or did it reflect market share, etc. I’m also having trouble finding the app itself on google play (it was on itunes), so I’m not sure how they are getting their android stats unless certain carriers are using the app in store for diagnostics.

          • Matt Perkins

            Their own site does show it does offer their service on both Android and iOS. But they don’t list a download link on the site for either. So I’m not sure if you have to have them do the diagnostic test which if that is the case, I can see carriers using on returned phones that need repairs. I can also see it used by services like Gazelle who buy them used then resell them. It doesn’t sound like they go back actual users opinions. Which is good because users themselves actually complain about smallest things. iOS users for instance will complain merely about a change even if it has zero affect on performance. If it’s something they don’t like they complain. They have a right to though because they spent $600 or more on their smartphone. When you spend that kinda money you expect more for your money than someone who spends $200. Do you know one of the biggest reasons those who switch from Android to iOS miss most? Quality of Apps and Games. They love the features of Android but they tend to have a hard time looking past the apps/games thing. The second thing I hear mentioned is the performance like how frequently their Android device freezes compared to how often their iPhone did.

          • Slainte Threeseventeen

            Ok, got the report, and it does not include any more information that would address concerns with their survey. They do not cite how the survey group is broken down, how or if the survey size was normalized for market or user share (the data came from their SmartChk app). They mention the study group was gathered from millions of devices, but again, no breakdown or grouping details. They state that 75% of all issues are user issues (not the actual device or software), yet they do not state whether their claim of 85% android/15% iOs represents the remaining 25% that could be categorized as real issues. (Their approach on this study appears to be a sales piece, so you can see the correlations to how they would pitch their product) They even give suggestions on resolving some of the top issues, such as battery “over-charging”: Quote – “Stop over-charging the battery. Users tend to excessively charge smartphones and tablets more than necessary. This tends to reduce the battery’s shelf life. Users must remember that the battery is designed to work for 500 full charging cycles (“full charging cycle” means it has charged from zero percent to 100 percent). Instead, a device should only be charged if there is 25 percent battery power left on it.” Their suggestion is not relevant to the problem because if you only use say 10% of your battery each day, you do not use a full charging cycle for 10 days (assuming lithium based batteries, of course). Needless to say, I would question the validity of their survey without some responses to these call outs.

          • Matt Perkins
          • Robert Stevens

            I don’t need to look it up because I can spot BS when I read it. Why waste my time looking up something that doesn’t exist. I’ve already wasted enough time replying to your ignorant post. Since you were the one who made the claim, it’s your responsibility to supply your reference or just admit you made it up. Breaking news — Apple and Tim Cook protect 100% more terrorists than Google. Look it up! I read it on the internet so it must be true.

          • Matt Perkins

            The fact you wouldn’t bother looking it up says everything. You are a typical Android user purely opinionated with no facts and no willingness to look things up before commenting. Also I guess you weren’t aware of Google backing Apple in this FBI vs Apple case. So I guess they support terrorism just as much as Apple they just don’t know how to make an OS as secure as iOS. You’re prolly also not aware that Samsung spoke out about it too and sides with Apple. Wow everyone supports Apple except the people who don’t follow along and just form an opinion instantly. It’s all these others who stated facts on here about Android, I didn’t force them to confirm it, I looked up what they said to validate it. You won’t because you want to believe what you want and even I did post the link you would say it was a lie because you want to believe your own way which has been obvious.

          • Robert Stevens

            Seriously dude, there’s no point in looking up your numbers because they are all made up in that fantasy that takes place in your brain. Just like all those numbers that you spout out on every Android article on Softpedia. I don’t know how you have time to even use your easily hackable iphone with all the time you spend trolling Android news sites. Do you seriously think I’m going to take anything you say seriously when you say things like “99.99% of Android users buy Android for cost and make excuses up to justify owning a $200 smartphone over a $650 one”. That stat sounds totally legit. As far as the FBI vs Apple case, I know all about it. I support the FBI’s request for Apple to hack the PARTICULAR phone that was owned by a KNOWN TERRORIST AND KILLER if they are able to do so. I don’t support any request to create a universal backdoor that can be used at any time. Answer this question. If a member of your family was kidnapped and the kidnapper dropped their locked iphone and the police found it and wanted Apple to hack into it to see if it would help located your missing loved on, would you support or be against that? Would you just say “Oh well, I value the concept of privacy too much to ask Apple to do such a thing.”. Fortunately, since iphones have been exposed now as easily hackable, it wouldn’t be a problem or moral dilemma for you. Apple = OWNED!

        • Brian_Goggs

          Matt you need to get your facts straight. Android is much more stable than iPhone and apparently the camera on Android is better too.

          • John H

            The camera on the S7 obliterates the iPhone 6S. It’s not even close. I had the chance to take pics iin a power outage on Friday with both. 100% win for the S7

        • Evan Willis

          You need to use a Nexus Device or something with near stock Android, like a Nvidia or Motorola device. Literally half the things you were just talking about are gone, and everything is nice and updated. And my Shield Tablet K1 is 16GB. Hard-pressed to find any of those issues, and I can’t even remember the last time it hard-crashed or froze on me.

        • Robert Stevens

          LOL so much for the iphone being so secure that the FBI can’t break into it. And with the iphone 5c they hacked into having IOS 9, it means the 6 and 6s line are also just as vulnerable. And now Apple wants the FBI to tell it how it hacked the phone. If I was the FBI, I’d tell Apple and Tim Cook to suck it!

    • Robert Stevens

      OK I have to ask this. Why is an Apple fanboy reading an article about an Android device? I never go on iphone news sites and read articles on crap iphones and sure as hell don’t waste my time commenting on them. Thus I admit to little experience with what’s going on with iphones other than the few minutes I’m able to play around with a friend’s before wanting to throw the piece of crap against the wall.

      • LaFave07

        He does make some good points though…

        • Robert Stevens

          I agree on the OS updates. I’m no fan of Samsung but some people are willing to put up with bloatware if they have to have a certain phone. It’s not like you don’t make compromises when you buy an iphone. Yes, it doesn’t have bloat but you have no expandable memory so you’ll end up having to buy a more expensive version. They have lower resolution screens. They are not dust or water resistant. They don’t have Amoled screens (some people care). And so on. If these things are important to someone, the bloat is just a minor drawback. There’s no perfect phone for everybody. You have to decide what features you want and look at the negatives such as bloat and see if you’re willing to accept those to have the phone. At least with Android you have options such as rooting, installing a custom ROM or buying a Nexus or other phone with no bloat.

          His other points are senseless. People don’t buy computers from carriers, the source of a lot of the bloat. And a lot of manufacturers do add their own custom software on top of Windows. I haven’t found the presence of bloatware to be a big determining factor of price compared to hardware configuration. So what if Android phones have higher specs? They usually are the same price or cheaper than iphones so what difference does it make? It would be one thing if you had to pay a lot more for a Samsung device because they put in more powerful hardware to get it to perform acceptably. As long as they perform well, get good battery life, have a good form factor, etc., who cares? Do racers pop open the hood of a car and say “This engine is too powerful. I’d much rather have a smaller engine just so I can do the same with less”?

  • Jim

    Can you encrypt the micro SD card on the S7 if you’re using it for pictures/videos/apps?

  • Me

    8 GB tho damn. Glad they did put the SD slot back in.

  • Terry Barnhill

    I know this is going to sound crazy, but I’ve never used an SD card with a phone. Is there a way to set up preferences for say, downloads or photos taken with the camera to go directly to the SD card?

    • TC Infantino

      I believe that is app specific. Check the camera app for settings as to where the photos and videos are saved. The same with music apps, etc….

    • Adil Tajgeer

      i think by default once you put an sd card in, the camera app will save pictures and videos to it

  • Detonation

    Do you get wake lag with the sd card in?

  • HobbesGrrrr

    I move apps to my SD card on my Galaxy S5, but it doesn’t help with the storage issue. My photos still show up as using phone memory, unless I pull the card out and most apps still use some of your phones memory, even after being put on the SD card. It is also a pain in the A$$ to move every app you download. I still love my Galaxy and plan to get the 7 edge, but I wanted to clear up the misconception of you truly having more storage.

    • FatFredJones

      Something must be wonky here. I have a 16GB S5 with 9GB of pictures on a microSD card and those photos aren’t affecting my internal phone storage at all. I have over 9 GB of app and system data alone on the internal storage. Cache data and miscellaneous files use another 4GB. Still have over 3GB free. Bottom line, external pictures shouldn’t also use internal memory.

  • Sean Bello

    Not satisfied because SD storage is slower and concessions shouldn’t have to be made for that expensive of a device, especially when there’s an option readily available built into the OS that was disabled by the manufacturer. Not acceptable.

    • LewisSD

      If the option you are referring to is the adoptable storage I don’t think that makes anything faster. It would still be restricted by the speed of the sd storage….

  • abdroid

    Thanks for this post. It helped me to decide tonight to cancel the order for the 32 GB Galaxy S7 Edge and just hold out for the 64 GB version, that I’m sure will be available in a few months… Silly that they didn’t offer it out of the gate…

  • Mark Kendrick

    Can someone tell me if the 200 gb SD card for sale on Amazon will work for 4K video or just 1080p on down

  • Tanuj Chokshi

    Kellen, what happens if you move the apps to SD and then disable them??

  • John Smith

    wow holy bloatware, Batman! i’ll stick with my Nexus 6P. pure, unadulterated, non-bastardized Android.

    • ballbagbuster

      No one asked you

      • Aaron

        Quit busting ball bags.

    • LeVvE

      The 6P only uses like 1-2GB less than the S7 and the S7 has a lot more stock apps for the extra features it has. It’s not really that bad.

    • Bruce Wayne

      Don’t use my name unless you’re being attacked.

      • MasterSoup


    • PoisonApple31

      The real joke is stock Android using 6.02 GB of space on my 32GB Nexus 6 with hardly any features.

  • Bill Blandford

    I highly doubt it moves the bulk of the big apps to SD card. It probably moves the apk, dex, and lib files to SD only (which has been native in android–the Kit Kat way–forever. But the internal app data and obb files which is where 90 of big games data lives, has to stay on the data partition unless you symlink to an SD card partition with same format. Read about how link2SD app on play store works to understand what the Android 6.0 merging of SD card and internal storage is based on (that the S7 has disabled in its fork of Android).

  • Erick

    Yeah, that’s a pretty good thing actually. Good for them to implement. To be fair, Android by itself does take up a bit more space in Marshmallow. On my Nexus 6, I can’t push a new build.prop edit onto the phone without moving some apps out of the System folder on the new Marshmallow builds. The reasoning is that the System partition has gotten a bit too full. So add Marshmallow bloat to another UI layer, … surprise!

  • Wolf0491

    I thought every phone did this lol…

    • Bill Blandford

      Every phone with ext SD does do this

      • Wolf0491

        Well the tone of article seemed like it was a surprise. I’ve never owned phone without SD card however so maybe why it threw me off.


  • Brian_Goggs

    HTC m8 does the same thing. I have a 32gb internal memory and a 64gb card and only part of the app gets moved to the SD card. I’ve never had any issues.

  • jagema

    Try the new S7 phones they said… Touchwiz got lighter, they said…

    • TC Infantino

      Best comment in this thread. LOL

    • Tyler Durden

      It is. Every Android device I’ve used was around 7-8GB. But yeah…”touchwiz” is bad.

      • TypoCorrecto

        Don’t know why you’re so defensive. He didn’t say Touchwiz is bad.

        But, the Nexus 6P out the box is no more than 4GB, maybe 5GB used. Touchwiz is “lighter”, but still heavy.

        • Be Together. Not the Same!

          There is also a lot of carrier crap on every phone that is not on a Nexus

          • TypoCorrecto

            Kellen has the T-Mobile model which has little to no carrier crap and it’s still 8GB used out of the box.

          • John H

            They ALL have tons of crap. Every single carrier. Look at the software on an unlocked S6 vs the carrier version. Half a page of apps on the unlocked version, two pages on the carrier one. All carriers have preload contacts. As stated earlier, most you can disable, but T-Mobile is no different than any other.

          • TC Infantino

            You aren’t kidding about that. My Turbo 2 had not only the standard VZW bloatware, but also crappy games and apps as well. They are moving in the wrong bloatware direction with the Droids, and maybe others as well.

          • pat johnson

            The tighter Verizon’s grip got on the Droid series, the more it became just a Verizon phone and less a Droid phone. I didnt even bother to wait for the release of that phone and I do not expect there to ever be a good droid phone ever again…

          • LionStone

            Not really, the HTC One A9 doesn’t have carrier crap. There were a few bloat apps, FB and Messenger that were easily disabled but they take up zero space

          • John H

            You think HTC is different from any other carrier phone? All of them have garbage installed. Each carrier has junk pre-installed because of contacts (Verizon with NFL, Sprint with NASCAR, etc. AT&T and others with Uber.) And they have their own suite of apps like AT&T Locker, Verizon Navigator.

            HTC doesn’t have some magical no-install deal.

          • LionStone

            I was referring to the Unlocked One A9 sold directly from HTC. It does not have “carrier” bloat. It has some of their own apps just like a Nexus has some Google apps pre installed. The A9 also has current OS and Security update up through Feb.

        • it’s me tim-cock.

          So that means 5gb are Googles bloat and 1.5gb is t-mobile and the rest being used is samsung? Why should I have 5gb of Googles garbage (most of them I’ll never use) on my device?

          • John H

            Read the article. It was half way through setting up. That means that the apps associated with his gmail account (personal apps) were installing. VERY misleading.

          • it’s me tim-cock.

            You think I didnt?

          • TypoCorrecto

            6P has more free space out of the box than S7. My only point champ.

          • Daistaar

            Thank you! I hate that Google seems to always get a pass when it comes to bloatware! No one ever talks about all the garbage they put on your device!

          • Handheld Addict

            Agreed. I hate that too. But they are at least making more of it uninstallable. I cursed Sheets & Slides until Marshmallow when I could finally uninstall them.

        • Chris DaCosta

          Every article I can find indicates 6p is between 6 and 10 gb out of the box.

          • TypoCorrecto

            Mine doesn’t.

        • PoisonApple31

          You are incorrect. 32GB Nexus 6P is using 6.99GB (25.01 GB of usable storage). Touchwiz only 1 GB more is hardly anything to complain about when comparing those S7 and 6P.

          • TypoCorrecto

            I had more free space out of the box on my 6p, more than the S7, which was only point. And no one is complaining. Disagreement =/= Compliant.

    • Synacks

      Might not be lighter in size, but it’s a hell of a lot faster than every other phone on the market.


    • Chris DaCosta

      My s6 edge was 9gb of system memory. Sounds like an improvement to me.

    • xzero425x

      Played with the s7 and its amazing and fast

  • jagema

    New S7 phones they said… Touchwiz got lighter, they said…

  • @kellex:disqus Are we to understand that the X Pure doesn’t support moving *any* apps to SD at all in portable storage mode, or that it only supports moving those that have the feature enabled by the developer?

    Also, has moving apps to SD in portable storage mode been deprecated in stock Android/superseded by adoptable storage?

    Just trying to clear up some confusion on my end.

    • Louis D.

      Have the X Pure, can’t move anything. The option simply doesn’t exist in the Motorola Marshmallow build. But, adoptable storage works great.

  • CaptainHowdy13

    What is the difference between what is left on a fresh S7 vs a fresh 6P 32GB? I wonder how much is actually the bloat of touchwiz

    • Adil Tajgeer

      i think the nexus image is around 4-6gb. i can check when i get home and power up my 6p.

    • Dominick White

      A little bit over 8 gb on a nexus, so TouchWiz only using about 2 gb extra

      • trevorsalienarms

        Not all of that is “TW”. Good portion is going to be Samsung apps and tools, some of which are ok, then there’s other 3rd party crap as well.

        • Dominick White

          When i say TouchWiz. I am just just talking about the system has a whole. Taking in account pre install things from carries has well. So to me only using about 2 gb extra over stock android , isn’t really that bad

    • LewisSD

      Trick question. S7 has expandable storage.

  • Tyler Durden

    Just use app disabler pro and you’ll be fine with the bloat

    • Not much bloat on T-Mo versions thankfully.

      • Adil Tajgeer

        i’m hoping the ATT version is similar to the bloat levels on the note 5, which was refreshingly minimal.

        can’t wait for next week!

      • Paul Hansen

        Yep. Just the usual voicemail/account management apps but there really isn’t much.

      • LBJ

        MetroPCS as well 🙂

  • Michael Mai

    They should of offered a 64GB option.

    • Marc Perrusquia

      Should have offered a 128gb option as well.

      • Tim Buchanan

        Upvote for subtle grammar correction of Michael Mai.

      • $1000 for a phone? I couldn’t imagine swallowing $200 more for 128GB.

        • Daistaar

          I could and gladly would have if it were an option.

          • neural_physics

            Why? micro SD is substantially cheaper and seeing as you can still move apps to micro SD there is no reason to spend $200 for 98gb extra storage when you can spend less than $80 for 200gb extra with an SD card.

          • XPDump

            You’re right, it’s cheaper, so it’s not as fast as internal storage. It’s the same reason someone would buy smaller SSDs when they could get multiple terabytes for the same price with a regular hard drive: Performance. Considering this is being positioned as a gaming phone, wanting more internal storage is not too crazy.

          • neural_physics

            new micro sd cards are substantially faster than older ones, they may or may not be out yet but they will be soon if they are not, so speed is not a benefit to internal anymore.

          • Jason B

            SD cards are limited by the host SoC’s controller. Snapdragon 820 does NOT support UHS-II, so you can’t get the fastest speeds out there; you’d just waste money using a UHS-II card limited to UHS-I speeds. You most likely won’t get advertised speeds either, at least in seq. write performance.

            Those superfast SDs are great with their included USB 3.x reader, but it’s a different story in your phone.

          • neural_physics

            Well the good thing is that most people don’t give two sh**’s about the speed of their storage on their smartphone anyway, and in the future we’ll have phones that support the fast SD cards, so it still isn’t an issue. I’d rather have more storage for less than overpay for internal memory, at least on my smartphone. For my computer that’s a different story, ssd’s ftw.

          • Jason B

            Actually, that’s the biggest performance gain in phones today: storage performance, and it keeps getting better.

            Try using a device with encryption enabled without a UFS 2.0 flash chip and see if you can stand the lag. Devices shipping with MM are REQUIRED to have encryption enabled.

          • neural_physics

            I disagree, my One M8 doesn’t have fast storage as far as I’m aware and it is extremely fast on Marshmallow. I owned an iPhone 6s for a while and as you may know it has industry leading flash speeds, and I didn’t notice a difference between the two phones whatsoever.

          • Jason B

            So, why use an SSD in your computer? 😉

          • neural_physics

            Because my computer is for work and skyrim with 4k textures, my phone is for angry birds and making phone calls… There is no realistic advantage to having fast storage in a phone, at least for me

          • Jason B

            You just proved my point though. You’re using an SSD for increased performance, just like I am. I can’t put my OS on a mechanical HDD anymore because it’s unbearably slow, even in RAID0.

            You do want faster NAND flash. Once you upgrade, you’ll know what I mean when you try to use your M8 again. Everything takes longer. Obviously, apps that stay in RAM run at the speed of RAM, so no improvement will be seen. It’s when apps are loaded into RAM, updated in the Play Store, when reading/writing large data files (game data, large videos, etc.), and loading heavy websites, that you’ll begin to notice.

          • neural_physics

            By the time SD cards of today start to feel slow, then we will have new soc’s that support the fast SD cards. Again, ssd’s sport much larger performance gains compared to hdd’s than flash does to sd cards, at least in my experience. If you feel like paying $200 for minimal amounts of storage on your phone be my guest. I’ll gladly spend that on a ssd, but not for my phone.

          • neural_physics

            Also, a ssd in a computer is far more noticeable in terms of performance than fast flash storage is in a phone, I know this because my iPhone 6s didn’t really feel faster despite having the fastest flash speed available on the market compared to my m8.

          • Except you had a Galaxy S6 and OOPS! No SD Card! Genius Samsung, genius.

          • Matthew Johnson

            Half your apps will not move to the sd card. Samsungs needs an update to make sd card adoptable storage.

          • neural_physics

            half? not a chance

        • Nicolas Hunt

          Different people have different priorities

          • cliff_dangers

            Can spending too much needlessly like an idiot, really be considered a priority?

          • LD

            This is not reply to above, as much as reply to article:

            This “we can move app to SD” is not true for many large apps and games, practically all that download lot of data after first start. Those apps store their own data on internal Android/obb or Android/data, and those hundreds of MB per app do NOT move to external SD when you use “move app”. So you end up with moving only small part of such app to external SD.

            Unless they changed how they do that on S7 (which I doubt), ability to move apps to external SD will NOT always save you enough space.

          • Mindaugas

            You are totally right. I have galaxy s7 edge, and when I tried to transfer game which size is about 2GB it transfered just several hundreds MB. Would be much better to have bigger internal memory than putting micro sd which no have no point of moving programs. Why they can’t create clean full transferring…

          • Eric

            If Samsung offers 64GB or even 128GB I would not hesitate to choose Galaxy S7 Edge over Nexus 6P. Having an option of expandable microSD with only 32GB internal storage is useless since you will have a lot of technical issues when you move apps to microSD.

            I am currently using 128GB Nexus 6P. I insert 200GB microSD into USB-C microSD adapter and connect it into my Nexus 6P for movie, music and photos. 128GB internal 9and 200GB extra external to use work so beautifully for me.

            Until Samsung releases 64GB or even 128GB internal, I will stay with Nexus 6P or 7 that will be released this year.

            The only thing I hate about Nexus 6P is fingerprint sensor on the back.

          • dontsh00tmesanta

            Indeed and they should acquire a cheaper phone…but the beauty is tmobile jump on demand can put these expensive computers in the hands of more people without breaking the bank!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • Jeff Johnston

          200GB card for $60 amazon deal of the day

    • WCM3

      It will be announced a month from now..

      Early adopters will get screwed… Again

      • Tyler Durden

        Don’t need it. I’m happy. 200GB SD card :’)

        • LewisSD

          Agreed. I already have a bunch of apps moved to the sd card and have my pictures and videos set to save there as well. Hopefully vr apps can be moves over as well! Besides what other phone can I be typing this reply out while I’m the shower?

          • neural_physics

            Does everybody except me have the s7 already? Or does everybody on the planet now use T-Mobile?

          • John James Brennan

            Err no,by choice I’ve given up on Samsung ,one because of touchwiz,it’s pants and secondly because of all the useless bloatware Samsung put on their phone’s, typing from a Nexus 6p,what joy

          • AskYourMother

            How’s that all-glass phone handle with soap and water?

          • Frettfreak

            Better than the metal phone that can’t go in the water….

          • AskYourMother

            That did surprisingly little to convince me that glass phones are a good idea. As many times as my wife and I have dropped phones, I think I will still need a case, or at least a bumper.

          • Your phone’s front is made of glass. Apparently by your definition all phones are not a good idea.

          • AskYourMother

            The front of my phones are covered by tempered glass screen protectors, that feel better to use than the bare screen. Three times these have saved me from having to replace the screens. Making the back of glass also is foolish, as was your attempt to put words in my mouth.

      • Nathan Bryant

        You’re only screwed if you wanted that. I didn’t even if it was an option out of the gate.

    • JeffColorado

      SD makes this a non-issue.

      • Michael Mai

        For power users, it’s still a potential issue. Even if you move an app to the SD card it leaves part of the app in the internal storage . If they would have allowed adoptable storage, then it may not have been an issue. A possible reason for them not having adoptable storage could be degrading performance on the UFS (flash storage) due to the slower i/o of the sd card.

        • neural_physics

          I heard that new flash technology is way faster than SD cards of old, so speed is not an issue

          • Michael Mai

            Right. The new flash technology is way faster than SD cards. So could it be possible that they didn’t enable the adoptable storage because the slower SD cards could degrade the performance of the flash storage.

          • John H

            That’s exactly why they didn’t do sd storage on the S6. Then everyone whined about the sd card so they brought it back.

          • neural_physics

            Oops. By flash I mean SD, I heard that they came out with new SD card technologies recently or they are coming soon and they will be much faster than old SD cards.

          • Mail carrier

            Google “fastest SD card”. There is information about the faster SD cards and what to look for when shopping. There are counterfeit SD cards! YouTube also has video on the subject.

          • neural_physics

            This. With that in mind I don’t really see any reason to buy a phone with high flash storage if it has a SD card slot.

        • cliff_dangers

          Being able to move apps to storage is pretty much the same thing as what you’d get with adaptable storage. Oh but it leaves some of the app in internal storage? So what? It’s usually something under 50MB so who cares?

      • Chris

        If it works like Marshmallow on my G3 right now, I can move apps to the SD card, but once the app downloads and runs an update from Google Play, it’ll be all back to internal storage and I have to move it again. If they had allowed adoptable storage, that wouldn’t have been an issue so their implementation is still a bad one. They should give us advanced users an option for adoptable storage in developer options if nothing else. A UHS Class 3 SD card would not have slowed things down even with adoptable storage.

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  • senor_heisenberg

    Isn’t this just one of the marshmallow features? At least I thought I remembered reading something about this, in addition to adoptable storage.

    • I’m a bit confused too. From what I gather, moving apps to SD for portable storage is no longer a native Android feature and has been superseded by adoptable storage, which isn’t mandatory for 3rd party OEMs.

      Therefore it’s up to the OEM to decide whether then want to implement:
      – Portable storage with Apps2SD (as Samsung has done)
      – Portable storage without Apps2SD (worst case scenario, not sure who does this)
      – Adoptable storage (implemented in Moto X Pure & Droid 2 Turbo)

    • Rod

      No it isn’t.

      Adoptable storage will merge your internal storage with your SD, so your internal storage will be 32gb + SD space. There’ll be no distinction between them.

      What is shown in this post is the good and old “move to SD” that has been present since ICS or GB. It only moves some part of the app to the SD.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    That might be a better idea than Adoptable Storage for the average folks. Less confusion.

    Me personally, I’d be fine. Currently my 6p I’ve only used 10GB.

  • The Doctor

    Yes. That’s better. Is there a noticeable difference in speed opening the apps from the microSD card vs internal storage?

    • Adil Tajgeer

      i would say it really depends on the app and the sd card.

      it’s technically slower (especially compared to UFS 2) , but for most apps, i can’t really see it being an issue provided you’re using a fast SD card.

      • The Doctor

        I have two microSD cards waiting for the S7 edge. The first one is a UFS-3, Class 10 64GB microSD card. I’ll use that one for 4K video recording, if I ever need to record in 4K. The second one is a UFS-1, Class 10 200GB microSD card. That’ll be my main one for the phone for photos, apps, HD video, music, etc.

        • Adil Tajgeer

          i have a UFS-3 64gb card i’m going to use. i figure 96GB of space should be plenty, if i need more space, by then prices will have dropped and speeds will have gone up.

          i’m pretty sure either of those cards should work fine with little to no real noticeable slowdown

    • LewisSD

      Tried it on sd card and internal with insta and clash of clans and didn’t notice a real difference in load time to open the app. That’s not scientific or anything but I don’t think it makes a real difference.

  • Mike91270

    I am fed up with pre-loaded bloatware. I think I may be done with Samsung and will look seriously at the next Nexus device.

    • Tyler Durden

      There’s like zero bloatware outside of the installed T-Mobile apps.

      • Jon D.

        ya android uses 8 gigs………. lol

        • Tyler Durden

          That’s about standard size for Android

          • Rod

            It uses 3,5gb here in Nexus 5.

          • Tyler Durden

            We talking a 2-3 year old phone.

          • Rod


            It’s running the same Android aversion.

          • PoisonApple31

            Tyler is right, doesn’t work like that. The 32GB Nexus 6P uses an additional 1GB of space compared to my 32GB Nexus 6.

      • pol

        So you finally got your edge, eh?

        • Tyler Durden


          • Jeff “BIG RED”

            How do you like it compared to the note 5?

          • Tyler Durden

            Much better. Faster. Battery life is good so far. Gotta tame it to my needs.

      • nachofrand

        Which you should be able to get rid of if you were to start the phone without the TMobile sim in..is that correct? Or do I have a Nexus talking out of my ass?

      • Marc Perrusquia

        Still comes with bloat, carrier boot animation, and slow updates. I still think it’s a great phone and would absolutely get one if it was available unlocked, but having to buy through a carrier and put up with all of that is ridiculous. I’ll probably just pick up a new resale unlocked T-Mobile version on Swappa.

      • John H

        Get an unlocked S7. Zero bloatware. They’re awesome

  • disastrousrainbow

    So wait…every app you downloaded was able to be moved in its entirety to the SD card? Because in past experiences, only part of the app was moved to the card still leaving some (a majority usually) of the data on the phone’s internal storage.

    • Not every app, certainly finding some that won’t move, like Android Wear. As far as where everything is being stored, it appears to be moving all to external storage from what I can tell. Like I said, if you pull the SD card, it kills the app. Is it still keeping some information from the app on internal storage? That I’m not sure about.

      • disastrousrainbow

        That’s interesting. I understand it not working with apps that don’t support being moved to external storage, but if it’s moving the entire app over for those that do that’s…some small consolation.

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      • John H

        It’s not moving everything, it’s moving the app storage to the sd card. Because the app storage is essential to the app, it will show the app as unavailable if you remove the sd card.

        But 32 Gigs is a shitton of space for apps. I’ve got four pages on my Note 4 including big apps like Word, Excel and PowerPoint. I’m just over half way full and use the phone hard. 32 is plenty for app storage

        • trixnkix637

          Not when you add in photos, videos, etc.

          • neural_physics

            I have all my photos and music on my 32gb one m8 and have only used half of my storage, I have like 16gb left and that’s including the system data. 32gb is a lot of storage

          • trixnkix637

            Sounds like you’re not much of a power user. And also made no mention of videos. Download a few 2-4GB movies and then get back to me.

          • MicroNix

            With the availability of SD cards that are much larger than the largest internal memory smart phone, only an outright fool would pay for more internal memory vs an SD card for their photos, videos and music. Like so many mentioned already, this is a non-issue.

          • trixnkix637

            I was debating that with all of that in mind (system apps, apps, photos, videos etc.), that 32GBs is plenty of storage. As is, it’s not in this case. I wasn’t debating solutions, I was addressing the problem.

          • John H

            You were making a problem where none existed. I was talking about app storage, not file storage.

          • trixnkix637

            You do realize storage is storage right? Regardless of what you intend to use it for. App storage = File storage. Lol. Not having enough onboard storage is a problem (ignoring the fact you can get a SD card, the idea is you shouldn’t need one for the basics). Never mind the fact the comment you’re referencing wasn’t even towards you.

          • John H

            Storage is NOT storage. You can’t move core app data to the sd card. You CAN move some app files and media. The initial point (made by me) was that 32 Gigs is plenty of room to store the core app data for like 98% of the people.

          • trixnkix637

            Again, I’m ignoring the idea of an SD Card because that’s a solution. Again, I’m addressing the problem which is if you need an SD to move some app files and media because of core apps and system files taking up your storage, that in and of itself is a problem at 32GBs. Which will happen when you undoubtedly add photos, music, games, and video to the mix. That’s all. We’re debating different points of the same coin honestly.

          • Frettfreak

            There will be a SIGNIFICANT performance difference between built in memory and an SD card. Might not be an issue for some but there would be a legitimate reason to pay more for internal memory.

          • Chris

            “But 32 Gigs is a shitton of space for apps.” For. Apps. Nothing else. Apps.

        • King Butt-Touches

          32gb is definitely not “plenty” for many, many users.

          • John H

            Really? Your app storage exceeds 32 Gigs? I’m not taking about media and files. I’m talking about the apps themselves not the stuff you can really move to the sd card

          • Frettfreak

            There are many games that take 1.5gb+

        • Frettfreak

          Yeah those aren’t “big” try loading a game that is 1.5gb and that 32gb gets eaten up kinda fast.

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        Wish Facebook could be moved

        • John H

          Go to the app manager, disable it, uninstall updates and force stop it. Problem solved

          • dontsh00tmesanta

            I use it

            Is that a problem or something? Just want to move it to SD

            Wish Samsung implemented adoptable storage option

            I’d use my 128gb card

        • drcaveman

          Now that Facebook supports chrome notifications disable Facebook when going to the mobile page say yes to enable notifications , it will really help your battery, the bloated ask will still be there, but at least you won’t have to worry about the cache buildup over time.

          • Cory S

            Does anyone have any actual evidence that FB is still a battery hog? I haven’t found that to be the case in years.

          • drcaveman

            When I enable it my battery life halves, but it never shows up in the battery useage tray, turn it off and battery life goes right back to normal, plus I never get a notification ever from it. On top of that the mobile website lets you do more. I tried it in January after I reset my Note 5, even with all the updates installed no notifications nothing, but my battery went from 14 hours to under 7. I use messenger all the time though and while the AP is a bit bloated 90MB, it’s the exact opposite of the Main facebook app, well written easy on the battery, lag free,really nice. I think the team doing Messenger is a different app group altogether.

            Mind you this is evidence of one user, so your mileage might vary.

          • dontsh00tmesanta

            I just use the mobile page for messaging

        • WorldStarrrrr

          it can be…if you dont install it and used the web

          • dontsh00tmesanta

            It can’t be moved I tried the option is gone

            It’s also pre-installed thus can’t be removed

    • AppleBerrySandwich

      I have MOST of my Galaxy Tab S apps on the SD. It’s awesome!

    • cliff_dangers

      Wrong. You’ve got that ass backwards. It has, just like in the past, only kept the core app in internal storage and all data, which is the majority, gets sent to SD.

      • disastrousrainbow

      • LD

        You are wrong there. In the past (up to S5 that I checked), it moved “core” app files to SD, but problem was that those “core” files are small ones – usually app itself. If that app download lot of data AFTER it is started, that data remains to internal SD , mostly in Android/obb and Android/data folders.

        In other words, for most large games that download hundreds of MB after first start, you will move only 10% of game to external SD, and all those hundreds of MB will remain on internal storage.

        TL;DR: “move app to external SD” may move only small part of app to external and keep MOST of large app on internal SD.

  • Adam Todd

    Would u happen to know an app that can multi-select apps to move to SD card? Clean Master has a feature that uninstalls or force closes multiple apps (with minimal user interaction).

    • Link2SD (https://goo.gl/JdIXse) can batch move apps to SD, aside from it’s main (root-required) feature: make symlinks and move the apps to an external SD hidden partition (kinda like a make-shift adoptable storage)

  • TypoCorrecto

    Yikes…One of the reasons I won’t buy a Samsung device. They’ve made impressive devices so far this year though.

  • Jon D.

    So if you can move apps but not delete…. why cant you move them to the SD card and then format it to erase them??

    • Paul Hansen

      It moves the app data, not the actual application.

      • Jon D.

        balls… screen shot says app and data tho

        • Trevor

          I’m assuming that’s for user-installed apps rather than system apps/bloat.

    • dre

      He’s saying that the fact that the OS uses so much storage isn’t a huge deal because you can expand your memory and load apps onto the expandable memory. You can’t get rid of most of the preloaded content, but since you have room to expand, it’s not a huge deal.

      • Jon D.

        ya got that… I just prefer to delete them!