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Google’s Eric Schmidt: “Android Effort Started Before iPhone Effort”

A lot of things came out in Steve Jobs’ biography that was published after his passing last month. One of the things that was more prominent than others was that he really, really wanted Android to do poorly:

“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”

Eric Schmidt, Google executive chairman, has claimed that even with this competition he and Jobs held a friendly relationship. And he recently pointed out that the Android project was started before the iPhone. Android Inc. was founded in 2003 and then acquired by Google in 2005 where work started under Andy Rubin. Granted, the first Android phone did not come out until after the original iPhone, so each side of this argument can say what they will. At this point it is just mincing words, but Schmidt – who has remained tight-lipped on most topics concerning Jobs since his death – felt enough that he needed to comment on the subject.

Should give Android addicts some added firepower when they meet up with their friendly Apple connections. Or does it even matter anymore? Are we beyond the Apple vs. Android stuff these days?

Via: CNet

  • http://twitter.com/JKingDaRuler Jay Kingsley

    Both platforms can win in this industry …

  • cowdog

    iPhone development had to have started years before the first iPhone was released. Only Apple knows when those efforts started. It is silly to compare the iPhone release date with the development period of android.  That makes no sense.

    I’m a big android fan, but the truth is that Apple was way out in front with the iPhone; they transformed the phone industry.  That doesn’t take anything away from Google or Android.  Get over it.  The FUD here is from Schmidt.  That’s his job these days.

  • AppleIsLame

    Steve Jobs was a giant douche. I liked his last product though, iDead.

  • Anonymous

    Is it possible to get to a place like Steve Jobs or Eric Schmidt without being ruthless or cutthroat at least at some point in your career?

    It seems to me that these guys may be intelligent, but business is business and I am sure they both have closets full of secrets that would only piss off both communities.

  • D-man

    Why do iPhone fans get on here and try to start an argument with android users? This is Droid-Life here. this site is pretty pro-droid. 
    As far as the Nexus goes the reason that I’m getting it is because I want a pure android phone. I’m tired of the crap the motorola puts on their phones. I’m betting thats a big reason that a lot of “nexus fan-boys” are getting it. If the razor didn’t have the motoblur crap on it i’d probably be getting that one. 
    By the way I should mention that I work tech support for apple (at work now ha!) and there is no way I could go to a 4s now after what android lets me do with my phone. Both are great products for sure but android lets me make my phone my own. stop the hate people.

    • D-man

      And people should really consider both when upgrading. getting an iPhone just because its an iPhone is a stupid reason. same with android. I know the iPhone inside and out so i know what what I’m going to be getting into when i get my new phone (which i already decided won’t be an iPhone). 

      • babadush

        I see your point about considering both although I choose Android every time because it’s always had more features and freedom.

        • D-man

          I know what you mean man. There is way too much restriction with apple stuff. Its always good to consider both but People who know whats right for them there is no question. and for me its android all the way. but the windows phone is interesting.

          • babadush

            Windows phone is interesting. I’ve been keeping an eye on it. That one experience with the ipod changed my whole mentality about apple. I never touched another product made by them ever again

    • cowdog

      Because some of us use android and iOS devices?  This isn’t a battlefield, and aligning oneself with one “side” or the other does not make a person special.  These are devices we use, nothing more.

      • D-man

        I said iPhone fans. do you use both? great if you do. All i’m trying to say is its pointless to come to this site and try to start an argument. kinda dumb

  • joejoe509

    Now that Jobs is dead, I hope we can start moving past the whole iPhone/Android thing. Competition is great but people have said some pretty nasty things in the honor of their favorite OS. I think the market has boiled down to two major players and they both offer consumers two different experiences. Sure we can call the iPhone fanbois sheep all we want and they can call us geeky phone nerds with a fragmented OS. But in the end, I think the world can live with two major types of smartphones. Let’s move past this and finally appreciate each OS for the different lifestyles they represent.

  • Chris G

    I for one am beyond the apple vs android thing.  I-fans come up and say anything to me about how great this or that feature is and i look at them and think “yup, simple toys for simple minds” and move on.

    • babadush

      I say “sorry I don’t play with fisher price toys”

  • napes22

    Let me be the first to say … what were we talking about again?

  • Anonymous

    Are we really still on this garbage?  Why not post real news about how Eric Schmidt was testifying before a U.S. Senate antitrust subcommittee and called Siri a “competitive threat.”  It seems that Google is fragmented about the idea of Siri. 

    http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/07/will-google-please-make-up-its-mind-is-siri-a-fad-or-a-threat/

    • Anonymous

      Clearly Siri directed you to the wrong website.  This is a Android blog.  Try a Google search instead and you’ll wind up in your iBlog of choice.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, I’m sorry.  Am I interrupting your circle jerk?

        • Anonymous

          Clearly you’re the one getting off on being a keyboard gangster.

          • Anonymous

            Clearly no one is considered with actual news and would rather get riled up about fanboy trash. 

          • Anonymous

            Who says fanboy? Also, who spends their day on opposing OS websites arguing? I feel way better about my day in comparison.

          • Rolo72

            Captain, what’s really funny is that ole Rich/Dick here decided to tell someone else “what a sad life” earlier. Funny considering he has spent well over an hour (just on this story) trying to defend his precious Apple on a site named DROID LIFE. Lol…irony at it’s best. Hell, the fact that he called someone a fanboy while spending his afternoon this way is also hilarious.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, I’ve seen him elsewhere. When you think about it the other way, you would have to pay me to waste my whole day on apple blogs saying they sucked and defending android. That must be it. someone is paying him.

          • Anonymous

            1 hour < Whole day.

            Is someone paying you to be stupid because that is the only explanation that I can come up with.

          • Anonymous

            1 hour on 1 article. I said I’ve seen you on other articles and I don’t get on very many. Who knows how many others you do get on. if you spend 1 hour on each article, and go to a few articles a day, then yeah, the whole day is gone. I’m not trying to burn you or anything, i just think you would probably be happier if you spent your time better. But hey, you don’t have to justify your time to me, or even what qualifies as spending time better, I just think it’d make you a more fulfilled person. 

          • Anonymous

            In response to a guy who said he was going to spend his life acting like a fandroid.  It’s really the same thing. 

            And has anyone even asked if I own an iPhone?  Seems everyone around here just assumes that if you are not drinking the kool aid then you must be an “iDiot.”

          • Anonymous

            Spends my day?  Total I’ve probably spent less than an hour commenting on this article. 

      • babadush

        Ironic isn’t it? Apple users use google either way.

  • http://whitemarket.freeforums.org/ Avery Dejuan Herron

    Early Android sucked ass but Niue that I’ve owned a Droid 1 a Droid X & X2 and now a bionic I really can’t go back to a iPhone.

  • Jer85008

    I hope we are moving past Apple vs. Android, but whatever. It’s your money, get what you want. I see people spending obscene ammounts of money on cars I wouldn’t drive if they were free, phones are no different. I’ve had an iPhone, BlackBerry, and Android phone and can see how each would appeal to certain individuals. For me, I plan on spending the next two years in a comitted relationship with a Galaxy Nexus.

    • Anonymous

      This place will never move past Apple vs. Android.  It seems to be an inherent right as an android owner to bash apple as much and as harshly as possible. 

      • Rolo72

        As much as you want to point out that it goes both ways in your other 13 posts, you should head over to Modmyi dot com and check out the Android bashing. Why are you here anyway? Do the comments here hurt your feelings that much?

        • Anonymous

          Does it really bother you that I’m not joining in on the circle jerk in a post that was clearly meant to rile you fanboys up?  You’re being baited by this site and you fall for it every time.  Droid Life uses these posts to drive up page views and it works like a charm.

  • Mr. English

    Makes no difference. Most forum pundits on either side wouldn’t have a clue to “facts” if they facts landed on their collective heads and did a dance. It’s all about attacking whatever they feel they have to attack. That’s largely what is seen in comment sections, the little Napoleons strutting their collective tufts. I’d be surprised to find anybody with any sense making decent comments about either platform because most of the user base seems too busy honking their own horn to get their facts accurate. Actually, WTF am I doing wasting my time commenting on this anyway? Peace.

    • Anonymous

      75% of the people who attack either platform have had no experience with either one.  It’s just insecure people trying to justify their purchases. 

      • Anonymous

        Justify their parents purchases more like. I’ll take your 75% and raise you another 15%. You nailed it. I always try to respect other people until they get so stupid that you have to say something. So easy to hide behind a computer for most. An elbow to the nose cures most of the stupid comments in real life. Not that I would do that, I’m just giving an example. :) I agree totally.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathanf Jonathan Fingas

    Actually, Schmidt’s wrong.

    iPhone work started in 2004.  Remember Steve Jobs’ January 2007 introduction speech?  “This is a moment I’ve been looking forward to for two and a half years,” he said.  There’s been all sorts of details, official and otherwise, that have escaped about how long it took, how Verizon made a huge mistake by turning Apple down at first, and so on.

    Google bought Android in… 2005.

    So while Andy Rubin might have been doing the earliest work on Android two years before the iPhone was unveiled, Schmidt is at best being petty about timing and at worst just flat-out mistaken or lying.  Certainly, he’s wrong about who started first if you wait for the moment when Google became involved.

    Plus, even if you believe him, why’d it take a year and a half later than the iPhone to ship?   Wouldn’t that show that Android was badly managed to start earlier but finish much later?

    • Guest

      Android was founded in 2003, genius.

    • Tim242

      Verizon was never approached about the iphone. Apple wanted only a GSM phone in the beginning. Verizon and Apple have stated this.

  • Christopher Greenfield

    Whichever side is right or wrong who cares!!  Innovation does not come out of claiming a product is stolen and suing.  Innovation comes from having stiff competition and always trying to beat the other guy.  Fact is everybody has stolen from everyone else and in this industry especially, this has been going on for over 30 years.  Fanboys need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that when the competitor comes out with a “really cool new feature” that we need to come out with an even cooler feature.  It’s all about 1-up’ing the other guy.

  • Jake

    I don’t care who did what first. I just want the one that works best for me. iOS has a lot going for it, but only Android allows me to enjoy all of the Flash porn goodness on the internet.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjEKCwqe0f4 Fapple

    Jobs’ statement were a ridiculous rant form a guy that hates losing.. and losing he is/was.

    All these products deserve to be here, not just yours Steve.. lol Some of us buy iPones and MOST of us buy Androids so…

    Live and let live…

    Not cry and sue, Steve!

  • Josh Flowers

    Nucular, it’s pronounced, Nucular

    /QUOTE :) gotta love Simpsons

  • Anonymous

    http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/androidlive.jpg
    Android, before the iPhone was announced. 

  • Sruel3216

    how did that last dying breath work out for you, steve?

  • http://twitter.com/AaronLasley Aaron Lasley

    To each their own.  I bought the Droid 1 and recently the Bionic because I tested them and liked them.  I have an iPhone for work that was issued to me.  We have both VZ & ATT towers on our worksite and the droids just run better.  Constant signal issues with iPhone vs. a few on Bionic.  Both have their strengths & weaknesses. You’re the one handing out the dough to buy the phone, choose what you want.  But keeping threads to advantages & disadvantages will actually help someone, not Ford is better than Chevy or whatever correlation just because I said so along with some choice words.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_374CW4UH6AVRT7QJZ7JZNPAIYE Bryan

    Who is Steve Jobs? I’v never heard of this guy.

  • Bill Morrow

    Apple vs Android?  What’s Apple?  I mean other than the fruit obviously??

  • Anonymous

    To be honest, I would love to see these immature squabbles cease but I don’t think that’s  going to happen as long as Android and iOS are still around. Some people just love flame wars. I think its like a hobby or something. 

  • bored

    Must be a slow day at the office huh

  • Anonymous

    If the lawsuits continue, then the contentions will linger on…

  • hatethanet

    Bottom line, Apple and Android fanboys all need to STFU and simply enjoy whatever phone and ecosystem they prefer instead of wasting energy being a bunch of idiots.

    • Bullet Tooth Tony

      or do you mean…. “iDiots”?

      • hatethanet

        iDiots, Droidiots, all the same to me haha.

    • Anonymous

      It seems that there are more android fanboys than apple fanboys these days.  Don’t tell that to some people around here though.

      • Tim242

        Yes, choice creates more fans.

        • Anonymous

          It seems to also create morons who have extremely skewed points of view. 

          • Tim242

            Yes, because cherishing choice is such a skewed point of view.

      • Trusttheman85

        Your an an Android website… what do u expect

  • Anonymous

    beyond it?  no, sir.  i’ll spend my last dying breath laughing at crApple, its idiot user base, and its stupid, trendy, and overpriced garbage

    • Anonymous

      while your there… and dieing… may as well bomb the place.

    • Anonymous

      What a sad life. 

      • Rolo72

        Unlike your wealthy life of sitting on Droid Life defending Apple lol. Look at all of your posts just on this thread! That’s the life we should all hope for. Well…time for me to head over to ModMyI to bash Apple. I definitely want to have a life that’s not “sad”.

        • Anonymous

          haha awesome.  thanks for dishing that out.  F you iPiecesofSh!t

          • Rolo72

            No problem man. People like Rich crack me up. Calling people fan boys and sh!t…all while trolling a blog that’s intended for the opposite OS’s fans lol.

          • Anonymous

            Glad I could make you and your boyfriend happy.

        • Anonymous

          You’re right.  A few comments on an article is a lot worse than spending my life spewing hatred.  Idiot.

          • Emilio Figueroa

            The purpose of a Blog, which this is, is to use rational thinking before making a comment. The iPhone 4 is a good-looking phone. Simple, and elegant. The software is clearly optimized well for the hardware. Which is A4 800mhz or A5 1000 mhz. It clearly beats out being smooth, and user-friendly. Android is getting better at that. No OS is perfect, but your one-sided snag comments about iPhones leaves more to be desired. Go look at certain android phones. The stock experiences. Nexus One, Nexus S, and most up-to-date phones running stock android run just as fast. Apps are undoubtedly not as polished on android as they are on IOS, but it’s getting better, and as more users adopt android at a quick rate, Apple sues out their ass to try to catch up, instead of adding unique functionality that is unprecedented like android has been for years. 

          • Calculatorwatch

            Woah…rational thinking? After reading like 3 pages worth of ridiculous comments by someone with a red wings logo waging a heroic flame war against a mass of android likers hurling troll food… rational thinking was like a smack in the face

          • Anonymous

            “The purpose of a Blog, which this is, is to use rational thinking before making a comment.” Then nearly everyone of the comments on this article needs to be deleted. What I think you are trying to say is that the purpose of this blog is to use green colored thinking before making a comment.
            And apple is suing Samsung, not android, and not for android but rather design. Quite the difference from what you have presented.

      • Anonymous

        you’re a turd, bro

  • http://twitter.com/Phaze08 Cody Revels

    I dont give a shit. Android is better. End of story. iOS users’ vision is clouded, all they see is their superiority with absolutely nothing to back it, except ‘IPhone is better.” Even though are phones are more than twice as powerful usually and open source, but none of them are even tech people so they don’t know what’s better lmao.

    • Anonymous

      Who’s the fanboy exactly?

      • http://twitter.com/Phaze08 Cody Revels

        I never mentioned a ‘fanboy.’ I just said that iOS users are not tech people and never have any evidence as to why their IPhones are so much better, where there are tons of reasons why we think android is better. 

        • Anonymous

          That’s an extreme generalization, not fact.

  • Eric Peterson

    I am a huge Android fan and to be honest, if the rivalry every died down between Android and Apple I would be a little upset. I love having ‘arguments’ with iPhoners. When both sides present valid arguments, it always ends in a great discussion. I can’t say I haven’t gone against the infamous iSheep but I also can’t say I’ve never acted like a DroidBoy either.

    I hope this rivalry stays strong and competition (vs lawsuits) continue.

  • Anonymous

    need nex fix!  is there not even a leaked pic of the “thicker” VZW version yet?  really?  Give us something buddy guy!

  • http://profiles.google.com/jeck7788 Josh Eck

    Nobody is saying that Google didn’t start the Android project before Apple started iOS.  What the facts are that Android started as a Blackberry clone, but once the iPhone showed up, Google went back to the drawing board to take the ideas Apple had and turned their OS into a touch screen OS.  

    But anyways, Fandroids and iFans all need to shut up, enjoy your platform, and bask in this technological wave we live in today.

    • mons

      Early prototypes were both BB-clones and touchscreen candybars.

      http://www.osnews.com/story/25264

      • Anonymous

        Don’t worry, he won’t read your link. He’s to busy playing with Siri.

        He also won’t realize that iOS stole a large chunk of the Palm features when it first came out either.

  • Anonymous

    Steve Jobs was as egomaniacal as he was brilliant. It’s too bad he didn’t put this energy to better use, as his “visions” were, just like everyone else’s, built on the shoulders of others.

    And no, in this day and age, the more firepower you have for defense, the better. Watch out if Oracle purchases WebOS…

  • Anonymous

    This video was released in November 2007. iPhone was released in what, July 2007? No way that they did all of that in a few months after seeing the iPhone. This was in development long before iPhone was released. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg

    • Lmrojas

      U win bro

    • Anonymous

      But when did development for the iPhone begin?  You’re missing half of the story.

      • Anonymous

        Could have started before Android…I don’t know. However, unless Google had a mole inside of Apple, feeding them Apple’s ideas, it’s a moot point. Point is, Google was developing at the same time Apple was, neither of them was stealing from the other.

        • Anonymous

          Like Eric Schmidt being on the board of directors?  Not saying he stole information but he would have had knowledge of what Apple was planning, at least a very general knowledge, and he eventually had to step down because of the two company’s intersecting business ventures. 

      • Anonymous

        You’re obviously missing the point.

      • Tim242

        You apparrently missed how much apple stole from Palm.

        • Anonymous

          And I guess I missed how Android is a completely original idea with no borrowed (stolen) elements.

          • Tim242

            All OS’s do this. It’s you iSheep that think the i*hone is original, and magical.

          • Anonymous

            If all OS’s do this then why doesn’t android take more flack for doing so?  I forgot how it’s unpopular to tell the truth about android. 

          • Tim242

            Yeah. It was unpopular for Steve to tell the truth. He called Android a stolen product, knowing damn well he stole so much from Palm. He copied a lot from Android.

  • dontbemadBro

    Of course the Android project began before iPhone. Android is always ahead of iOS. Fact. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/jeck7788 Josh Eck

      Do some research before talking out your ass.

      • Anonymous

        At what point has iOS ever had a feature that Android didn’t? 

        Seems to me that their latest update added a bunch of Android-esque functionality, such as widgets and a notification bar.

        • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

          I’m pretty sure they didn’t add widgets.

          • Anonymous

            iOS5 only has notifications widgets (something Android has had for 2 years). iOS5 still doesn’t have desktop widgets.

          • Devilsephiroth

            Ios doesn’t have a desktop.

            I don’t see why we should be concerned with inferior technology anymore, it’s only a matter of time until the vale apple has shrouded with public eye will fall, and the walls with which they built to keep their product safe and secure will crumble around them.

        • Anonymous

          There are no trashy widgets in iOS 5. 

          • Tim242

            Nope. Just a boring grid of icons.

          • Anonymous

            Original.  Do you fanboys have any other talking points I can here? 

            Also, I’d like to what what the majority of android owners’ homescreens look like.  I’m not talking about the kind of user that lurks around here but the normal, average user.  I bet it is a grid of icons. 

          • Tim242

            So, calling widgets trashy is not fanboyish, but calling a grid of icons boring is? Typical iDouche. You talk about average Android homesceen vs anybody else’s. i*hones only give you one choice. So, the average i*phone user’s screen has to look like everyone else’s. No room for individualality.

          • Anonymous

            I’d be more concerned with app quality than how my home screen looks. A home screen is a means, not an end.

          • Tim242

            My apps look great…and I didn’t have to over-pay for them : )

          • Anonymous

            I forgot how there are no free apps on the app store.  Oh wait…

          • Anonymous

            1) One widgets rock.  Of course the iSheep will say they don’t *until* iOS has them, then they’ll be awesome and magical.  Oh, and of course they’ll have been all Apple’s idea which Google somehow copied!
            2) Grids of icons are so yesterday.  If that’s the best you can do with your phone is launch apps from an icon, I really feel sorry for you.
            3) App quality of Android apps has been amazing.  Any major app is on par with its iOS counterpart and there are apps for Android which simply blow the i*hone out of the water.  Case in point:  PowerAMP.

            Keep trying though oh iSheep as iOS 4 and iOS 5 major features have been a lot of ripping off of Android.  Eric should go thermonuclear and right that wrong :)

            FF Camera – Android first
            Real notifications – Android first
            Real screen size – Android first
            Multitasking – Android first
            Wallpaper – Android first
            OTA updates – Android first
            Wireless syncing – Android first
            Cloud backup – Android first

            I’m sure I’m missing a dozen or more examples, but this list should be suffice to get the point across.  Since 2007, there hasn’t been a lot of innovation on the iOS side that hasn’t been lifted from other platforms, especially Android.

          • Anonymous

            Widgets far from rock.  All they do is take up space on the home screen while presenting miniscule bits of information.  Why have that waste of space when with a simple press and perhaps a swipe or two I can have 20x the amount of information? 

            I make it a habit to try and use all phones and I can tell you that app quality is definitely in Apple’s court.  I’ve used the same apps on both platforms and every single time the iOS app is smoother and faster.   

            I keep forgetting how android is a completely original idea and didn’t take any elements from anything else ever in the history of its existence.  Clarifying things with “real” is pitiful.  We both know android did not invent notifications.

          • Anonymous

            Android gives you the choice to use widgets, it does not impose or enforce you to have to use widgets. If you don’t like them, don’t use them…

          • Anonymous

            thats why android has an app drawer to access all the apps you dont want cluttered on ur screen bc u dont need them in view 24/7. theres ur grid for you. the screen if for what the consumer decides to do with it. and it still has grids to put as many apps as u want

          • Orion

            “[E]very single time the iOS app is smoother and faster.”  

            Gmail application.  Q.E.D.

          • Anonymous

            Wouldn’t be the first time that a google app functioned poorly on iOS. Almost seems like it happens on purpose.

          • Anonymous

            Apple does have great quality apps, you are right their. Android also has it’s share of great apps. My only gripe with apple apps is that they all look about the same and are bubbly in a sense. Android apps tend to not function the same at all and people can find them to be strange bc they are not similar to one another in any visual way. That is just my experience with the two app stores.

          • Anonymous
          • Anonymous

            the majority of ur apps are $.99 and on android we get those same apps for free… oh wait what bullshit was coming out of ur mouth?

          • Anonymous

            For free…with ads.

          • Sprotthedestroyer

            unless you have this wonderful app called adfree. only for rooted users. removes all ads from apps and webpages. next arguement?

          • Anonymous

            And how many android users are rooted? A small minority may enjoy as free apps but the vast majority do not. Despite what is believed around here, rooting is not common place.

          • Tim242

            My apps look great…and I didn’t have to over-pay for them : )

          • D-man

            well for me its all widgets aside from four apps that i go into a lot. I know a lot of android users that have very different home screen. thought widgets and home launchers. I also know a lot of iPhone users. there all look the same.

          • Anonymous

            Are you the typical, average android user?  The make up of this site is a tiny fraction of android and is not representative of android as a whole. 

          • D-man

            yeah I would say that i’m pretty typical. I don’t get crazy with rooting my phone or anything like that. I just use whats there for me to use, and its a lot. I’m not sure what your looking to prove. people use features on their phones and android has more features. that don’t take anything away from the iPhone at all. still a great phone. just not right for me.

          • Anonymous

            Meaning you root and don’t flash custom roms or that you don’t root at all?

          • Anonymous

            Meaning you should go away and stop pestering us unless you have something useful and intriguing to say. Which you don’t.

          • Anonymous

            Take your own advice.

          • Spc Hicks09

            http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/lprgx/what_are_the_current_things_that_android_does/
            There ya go fanboy! Oh and you’re welcome for the Notification Pulldown Menu that is in your “glorious” iOS5. Anything else?

          • Anonymous

            Please, I visit r/ android all the time and that place is a bigger fanboy fest than droid life is. Hell, r/apple is tame compared to r/android and that is no easy feat.

          • Sprotthedestroyer

            remember guys… dont feed the trolls. know that they are only being a troll to get attention(why hes responded to almost every post, even the ones that arent responding to him. If you argue, hell just come up with more bs and lies to make his side better. i KNOW android is better for me. i like pull down notifacations, i like widgets(even though i dont use them), i like the abilitiy to root and flash a custom rom even though i dont flash custom roms. its all about what you can do with your phone. what kind of FREEDOMS you have with YOUR phone, Android will always be better in my opinion!

          • Anonymous

            Like I’d waste my time to illicit a response. I guess having a differing opinion is “trolling.” People complain of iPhone users benign smug and preachy while ignoring the fact that many android users are becoming just that. They are what they attack.
            See, you’re different. You said android is better “for me.” That’s a rational thought, what I have been arguing for.
            And I don’t think a “don’t feed the troll” warning is required. The comments on this story are now largely dead.

          • lizardkiller

            bitchlizard…give it a break…  You sound like that annoying little kid that everybody know who keeps on yapping away and arguing with one when we were growing up.  It wasn’t until we pointed out to them that the were idiots, their momma didn’t love them, that they were adopted and that their poppa like goat sex that they ran home crying….. GIVE IT A BREAK and get lost, btw…your dad does like goat sex :p

          • Anonymous

            And the rambling, incoherent mess you just posted isn’t trolling? Pathetic.

          • lizardkiller

            NOPE… it’s just one reply…. See how many post, ramblings, and pathetic attempts to rebut everybody who comments on your replies is sooooooooooo pathetic…. Have a nice life sad life lizeerd……..:)

          • Anonymous

            Says the child with his unregistered troll account. Enjoy your nap and bottle.

          • Anonymous

            Nearly every homescreen I’ve seen has a beautiful clock or weather widget front and center with four icons at the bottom of the screen. No one is willing to have just a set of icons (I tried it just to see what it would be like once, it sucked). Why are you here? On droid-life, you troll?

          • Anonymous

            thats a lie the average user has a calander widget on one screen the clock n weather on another and google search widget, the music widget, maybe newsfeed or is u have htc friend stream. 

            widgets are so much more useful that icons ask any android user

          • Anonymous

            Go ahead and ask me. I use a droid x.

          • Ahsan

            You say typical android uses don’t use widgets, you don’t seem to be typical. Every android user I know uses widgets. And trust me, they’re typical. They don’t know what rooting is, I hope that makes you happy. Widgets are extremely useful for the news, music, google search, etc.

          • Anonymous

            You’re right. Rooting and flashing custom roms makes me an atypical user.

        • http://profiles.google.com/jeck7788 Josh Eck

          Well, let’s see here, what could iOS possibly have before Android did?

          Hmmm.

          1. Touchscreen Interface
          2. App Store
          3. Swipe to Unlock (which they now have a patent for)
          4. Front Facing Camera

          • Anonymous

            front facing camera is bullshit! 

            Evo 4g had a front facing camera b4 any ios device

          • Anonymous

            didnt the EVO 4g have a front facing camera before the iPhone?

          • Anonymous

            1) Um, no, sorry but android had touchscreen capability since the beginning, before it was ever made public.
            2) Android had a public SDK when Steve Jobs was still telling people that Apple would never open the iPhone up to outside developers.  Remember when the original iPhone launched and it was nothing but a touchscreen feature phone?  There wasn’t an App Store or apps, or even an SDK.  Jobs got pulled kicking and screaming to outside devs.  And hate to break it to you, but App Stores had previously existed for Winmo phones.
            3)As has been demonstrated by numerous videos, there is prior art that will invalidate this patent.  Apple wasn’t the first to do it.
            4)lol, no.  Front facing cameras have been on phones for years before Apple did it, and was on some Android models.  No-one cares anyway, the use rate is below 1%/ month.

          • http://profiles.google.com/jeck7788 Josh Eck

            If you read the original post, he asked what iOS had before Android, and that’s my list.  In addition, do some research on how Android started as a Blackberry clone, NOT a touchscreen.  In doesn’t matter whether Apple went kicking and screaming, they had a native app store before Android, and heck before any other platform had a true native app store.  WinMo, Symbian, Palm all had app stores, but you had to download from third party sources.  Again, front facing cameras came on iOS first, not Android, which was in response to the original post that asked what iOS had before Android.  Sorry man, I know what I’m talking about, I’ve been in the cellular business for over 15 years, I do this for a living, it’s not just a hobby.

          • http://zedomax.com/blog zedomax

            Touchscreen interface was on phones and other devices many years before iPhone so did multi-touch.  Apple did not invent touchscreen and multi-touch by any means, they make it sound like they did but no.

          • http://profiles.google.com/jeck7788 Josh Eck

            Again, the original post asked what iOS had before Android, thus my point.  I know touchscreen phones came before iPhone, I had a Palm Treo 650 and 700p, so of course I know that.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/TJHRULZ tjhrulz

      Actually it was but it was blackberry-like back then.

      • Anonymous

        Incorrect. This is Apple FUD; they had a candybar model way back when along with the BB type model; the BB type one was more showcased because that was what was selling at the moment. But the point was (and still is) that Android could reliably run on a variety of form factors. It was never created to be either-or.

        • http://www.facebook.com/TJHRULZ tjhrulz

          While it could run on multiple form factors I was under the impression touch capable was not baked in until iPhone was well under production, although I may be wrong I was not a dev at the time. 

          This though would not be the first time though that Jobs thought someone stole from him what many believed to be public use, ie GUI

    • Anonymous

      yes because you know exactly when apple started working on the iphone and iOS dont you

  • SugaShane

    The only thing that annoys me is, all my friends are so blinded by apple’s marketing strategy that they don’t even consider Android when upgrading their phones. 

    • Maybe Next Year Hawkeyes

      There’s something to be said about those that surround themselves with others of less intelligence.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=55001449 Sean Lee

        I would agree except I live in an area that used to be almost exclusively ATT and, as a result, is populated by an overwhelming majority of iPhone users.  I have tried and tried to talk sense into them but it is all met with “but iPhones are better.” with no facts or examples to back them up.  It’s like that cartoon thing.  They hear it’s better so it has to be.  

        I’ll give it to apple and their marketing of the iPhone….they make it seem like sex on a stick.

        • OnTheFence

           At the same time though, every time I have compared my OG Droid or Droid incredible to any model of an iPhone, I am always embarassed out how much smoother the iPhone runs.  Seriously, every app on the apple market just works better than on the android market.  And by every, i just mean all the popular ones i’ve tried (Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Facebook, Evernote, etc..).  So I have tried the new iphone 4s and I can’t help but coming away very impressed.  I have only owned android smart phones (verizon didn’t offer the iphone at the time i purchased the droid), but after playing around with the iphone, i now have a hard decision to make… it’s that much better than the android phones I have tried and comparable to the newer ones.  It doesn’t really matter what the specs show…. it all comes down to how it performs when you actually are using it.

          • http://twitter.com/Sandelb Kent Blackwell

            I was in the same boat. I have an OG Droid and man does the thing drag in comparison to the iPhone 4 (or really even the 3GS). This is probably due to running 2.3 + RAM limitations, but my point remains. 

            I looked at the current and upcoming offerings and was leaning heavily towards the iPhone 4S until I decided to try out the GS2 on Sprint for a couple weeks. Holy. Shit. I can’t believe I ever thought about dropping Android for iOS. Between the amazing screen and the fact that every little thing I did on the phone moved at the speed of light my faith in Android had been restored. I disliked Sprint’s network so I returned the GS2 in anticipation of the G-Nexus. Keep the faith brother, the new crop of Android phones don’t even begin to compare to the old school Android phones. 

          • OnTheFence

            Cool man, thanks so much for the bit of hope.  That is why I haven’t purchased the iphone 4s yet, so I can at least give the g-nex a try.  My new every two is ready to go and I’ve been so close to running down to verizon to get the iphone (with all the droid’s laggy-ness) but have decided to be patient.  I will def give it a try and am now more hopeful that I’ll stick with android.  :) thx

          • Anonymous

            For what it’s worth, I have a pad2. I won it at work, even after telling them to leave my name out of the drawing. It’s just as simple and limited as I’d imagined.

            Anyone telling you applications don’t force close on i devices is absolutely lieing their ass off. Things force close quite often on it. Even the app store its self does. The only difference is, it doesn’t tell you it force closed, it just returns you to the main screen.

            I’m very much looking forward to the release of these next gen Android tablets. I really want to replace this thing with something more useful.

          • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

            I’m just the opposite.  The more I play with an iPhone, the less I want it.  It’s mostly useless to me.  No widgets, no Google Navigation, no gtalk.  I don’t use iTunes, so an iPhone is useless.

          • Anonymous

            Dude. Yes. You’re so right. I have an iPad 2, HP Touchpad, and a Galaxy Tab 10.1. Everytime I use the iPad 2 I long to have one of my other tablets instead. But my wife loves the Galaxy Tab so much I have to leave it with her to use. So here I am stuck using my Touchpad. I should sell the iPad 2 and get the Transformer Prime.

          • Anonymous

            and then you should give me ur touchpad cuz ur a nice guy :)

          • Ahsan

            Galaxy Nexus has hardware acceleration. It’ll be smooth also.

        • Anonymous

          Why do you care what phone your friends use?  Will they be closer to you if they all run out an adopt android phones?  I can guarantee that your friends don’t listen to you when you start telling them how android is better than the iPhone. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/chris.dieleman Chris Dieleman

            Exactly, they don’t care.  They aren’t tech nerds, they don’t care about specs, they just want an iphone end of story.

          • Anonymous

            And somehow wanting an iPhone is an impossible idea around here.  “It must be marketing or stupidity.”  Maybe it’s just because that’s what they want. 

          • Anonymous

            Did you even read the name of the blog? smh

          • Anonymous

            So any semblance of rationality goes out the door because this is an android based website?

          • Anonymous

            Sorry; forgot the cardinal rule of forums: Don’t feed the trolls. Carry on.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t interrupt the circle jerk.

          • Anonymous

            I have an iPad 2, and a Galaxy Tab 10.1. The iPad 2 sucks in comparison. The only way I can look at it is that it must be “marketing or stupidity” that is getting people to buy them. Because to me iOS totally seems like an OS for retarded people. Sorry, just my opinion, and I’m allowed to have that.

          • Anonymous

            Sucks how?  And your opinion doesn’t equate to fact. 

          • Austin

            I like all phones and I would like the iPhone if the specs were way better.

    • Anonymous

      It’s not that they’re blinded, it’s a well fact that Apples PR/Marketing and commercials hit home way better than Verizon’s Droid Campaigns. 

      Don’t get me wrong I love my OG from day 1 back in 2009, Apples commercials really do point out the fact of this isi how an Apple phone will help better your life.  There ae times that I wish Google would take over the commercials for Verizon. 

      So far the best commercial from Verizon is the recent RAZR commercial, hopefuylly the follow up will show what the RAZR can do

      • Anonymous

        You mean my wife won’t love the dual core tegra 2 chipset?

        • Anonymous

          Yes, she’ll love the Tegra 2 chipset lol maybe a brand new Diamond ring will get you a device and a tablet :)

        • Tim242

          Tegra 2? You should prob check the specs before commenting. You would look a little less stupid.

          • Anonymous

            Are you full of dumb?  It was from the Verizon commercial for the Xoom that was universally panned.  We were talking about marketing. Got it now?

          • Tim242

            Too bad it was the Razr commercial he was referring to. Razr has TI OMAP, not Tegra 2.

          • Anonymous

            It’s called a joke, something that must be way over your head.

            See, we we talking about how marketing for android is bad, not just about the RAZR commercial.  Just give up.

          • Tim242

            You are the one trolling…and you want me to give up?

          • Anonymous

            I’m saving you from looking like a further idiot.  You’re out of your element. 

          • Tim242

            You’re being what you are accusing us of being. You’re jyst the typical iDouche.

          • Anonymous

            My Droid X says different.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=6604368 Chad Walber

            Sorry dude, Every post I’ve read from you on this thread has been a troll post. Please desist from writing on this board or you will be banned.

          • Anonymous

            Then you obviously have a disconnect or are just a typical droid lifer. Don’t post or be banned? So like a defacto ban? Idiot.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t post or be banned? You know how stupid that is?

    • Anonymous

      You’re mad that your friends made the decision to buy a device that they felt suits them best? Makes you sound foolish.

      • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

        No, he’s mad at them for buying a device they think suits them best.  Maybe an Android phone would better suit their needs.

        • http://www.facebook.com/chris.dieleman Chris Dieleman

          You need to learn to not give a crap buddy.  I used to find awesome deals for things on Slickdeals for people and they never buy it, but then a week later buy the same product for $200 more than they needed to.  People don’t care as much as you and you need to learn that.  I stopped telling people or helping, unless they specifically ask me to find what they are looking for.
          My brothers have iphones I have android, I stopped caring about 2 years ago.  They’re gonna buy what they’re gonna buy.

      • mons

        I can’t speak for him, but it’s their decision making process that irks me…there are a lot of people I’ve met that don’t even consider an Android phone.  One of my friends recently got his first smartphone, a 4S.  I suggested he wait for the Galaxy Nexus announcement, but he opted for the 4S on release day.  One of the major features he was hoping for in a 4S/5 was a bigger screen.  I asked why he went with that, and he said he was pretty impressed by some of the new features, especially the new camera.  

        Sure enough, two weeks later…GN has a super fast camera, with panoramic mode, and built in editing – equalizing the one point that the 4S gained.

        • Anonymous

          And there are plenty of people around here that won’t consider an iPhone.  It goes both ways but somehow it is acceptable to not consider an iPhone but unacceptable to not consider and android based phone.  Ultimate fanboy argument. 

          • Anonymous

            Apple fanboy, meet the Nexus fanboys, you’ll get along fantastic.

          • Sprotthedestroyer

            i choose a phone because of what i want, what it can do and what im gonna use it for. your arguements during this post has been nothing but android bashing. yet you want to call us fanboys? hipocriticle much? the *phone is an incredible piece of machinery, but i like doing what i want to, with MY phone. the *phone doesnt allow very much of that. yet in your opinion, ppl who choose a phone cause of capabilities are fanboys? but ppl who choose a phone for popularity and cause its COOL… is not fanboyish? i respect everyone for whatever choice they make. cause i, unlike you, support what ppl choose to buy with their own money. *phone or droid, whatever. were all still ppl. except ppl who troll message boards and try to start crap with others… those people have NO LIFE, and only feel good about themselves when putting others down. those ppl arent classified as ppl. they are trolls

        • Anonymous

          I’d say more like surpassing than equalising.

      • Raven

        I’m not mad, bro.  It is more a form of pity.  I don’t currently have any friends that have any, but whenever I see someone using an iThing I almost want to go over and comfort them and tell them something like I am sorry that you were not better informed at the time you wasted your money on that iThing.

        • Anonymous

          Maybe they feel the same way about you and your android phone. 

          • guest

            troll^^^^

          • Anonymous

            ^^^ Close-minded individual.

      • Anonymous

        He’s mad because he’s an android fanboy and typical user of Droid Life, which thinks the iPhone is garbage. 

        • Anonymous

          garbage garbage?

        • SugaShane

          When did I ever say I was mad? Judging by your 20 comments under my post, you’re the one that’s mad. 

          • Anonymous

            He’s ANNOYED because he’s an android fanboy and typical user of Droid Life, which thinks the iPhone is garbage.  Better?

        • guest

          troll^^^^^^

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, this comment was pretty trollish, I’ll admit but it should provoke at least some rational thought.

    • Anonymous

      I think it is more than just marketing strategy. It is just too damn difficult for the average user to escape the grasp of Apple. When all of your music, contacts, calendar events, and notes are in iTunes they make it difficult to export it without a thorough guide. Sure, us nerds/geeks/smart people can do it over the course of a few minutes to an hour, but the average user doesn’t want to go through the hassle. They are locked in and don’t want to bother escaping it.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe they just don’t want an Android phone?  Why is that not possible?  Will you consider an iPhone at your next upgrade?  Somehow I doubt it.

      • Tim242

        For good reasons…not marketing.

        • Anonymous

          Do you honestly think the iPhone only sells because of marketing? 

          • Tim242

            Yes.

          • Anonymous

            Are you 12?  That’s an extremely short sighted view.  I wonder how well some of these android phones would sell without marketing.  Isn’t Joe Jonas going to help push the Rezound? 

          • Tim242

            If you think Joe Jonas will help sell anything, you are far more gone than I thought. Do you really think the rezound will sell? Ha!

          • Anonymous

            So it’s not all about marketing?  You are contradicting yourself now.

          • Tim242

            For i*hones it is. Keep up.

          • Anonymous

            Now I know you are 12 years old.  You are running around in circles with your head cut off. 

          • Anonymous

            i have not seen one commercial for the rezound…. no marketing the phone is selling tho 

          • Anonymous

            The Rezound isn’t even out yet, so how is it selling?

    • Anonymous

      That will all change with time . Let’s see what excuses apple will have next year when their iphone 5 is behind the curve . I predict that 95% of upgrades will be to android by 2014

  • Ben Murphy

    This is non-news. It’s all about choice… but of course there’s only one :)

  • Anonymous

    No, now we have Android idiots who fight over which OEM is better.  If one OEM where to be dominant those same idiots would fight over which model from the OEM was best.  Then if they only put out one model they would not notice the irony they become the same as who they originally trolled after: Apple

  • David

    Over it.  Both OSs have their strengths and weaknesses.   I am an Android man because I like the customization and the community that the open OS fosters.  iOS has it’s strength in it’s consistency.  If I bricked my phone a few times, I might be an Apple guy, but I haven’t, so I’m not (not that I’m particularly gifted at rooting or programing – there’s just an awesome Android community).

  • http://twitter.com/litobirdy litobirdy

    seriously cmon guys, who cares. give us nexus news

  • Calumnium

    i don’t care who stole what from who, i just want the best freaking phone on the face of the planet and of somebody steals from somebody else and improves on it… fine by me.

  • Anonymous

    Who cares, android is better and I just want to hold my sexy gal nexy :P

  • youmadBro

    first

    • dontbemadBro

      I was first. you mad bro? 

  • tjmonkey15

    If one of the companies stole the other’s idea(s) then they have a right to be angry.  As an average phone-obsessed consumer?  I couldn’t care less as long as they (meaning Google and Apple) continue to push each other to make their products better and better.

  • Anonymous

    Beyond it

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/RXFWXDUWRRHCGFV6NP2SDZ7YLU Ray

    over it

  • http://twitter.com/litobirdy litobirdy

    um who cares?? how about some nexus news please?

    • Anonymous

      naaaah

  • Jason Purp

    Steve Jobs is dead

    • Anonymous

      WHAT?!?!?!

  • PyroHoltz

    It doesn’t really matter does it?

  • Anonymous

    Oh Steve Jobs, you silly old man.  Well you were anyway.

  • Kierra

    Werent the mock ups akin to Blackberry and they scraped it after iPhone got successful though ?

    • Lmrojas

      They also had touch screens

    • Bullet Tooth Tony

      Uhmm… nope.  There were 2 mock ups, both demonstrated in 2006… one that looked like a blackberry, one that was all touch screen – the iPhone was a myth until 2007.  The portrait with keyboard version can be seen in such phones as the Motorola Droid Pro… and the touch screen versions can be seen… well… everywhere else.  Apple and Google both joined the Khronos Group in the same month in 2006, so their API’s are identical.

      Additionally, Google was soliciting developers to use this API long before Apple… people tend to forget the iPhone 2G ever existed… it did not have an App Store.  The App Store did not come to be until 2008, day and date with the iPhone 3G release… before that, the apps you got were furnished by Apple at that point.

      • Anonymous

        So all iPhone development occurred in 2007?  That’s ridiculous. 

        • Bullet Tooth Tony

          rrrright…. I didn’t say that… please read next time, and apply some critical thinking skills whilest doing so.  The iPhone had zero, absolutely zero, public appearances before it was announced and released in 2007.  It was a myth until then.  Android began in 2003.  It was bought by Google in 2005.  Everyone knew it existed.  Nobody but people inside Apple knew the iPhone existed…. thus, it was a myth.  And since nobody had seen the iPhone by the time Google demonstrated it as a touch-screen UI, they didn’t “scrape” their original plans as a result of the iPhone… it existed prior to, or concurrently with, the iPhone… which one could easily ascertain by the fact they both use the exact same APIs from the exact same open-source licensing group that they both joined in the exact same month in the exact same year.

          • Anonymous

            Saying the iPhone was a myth is different than saying the iPhone was a secret until 2007.  Please learn the definition of words. 

          • Bullet Tooth Tony

            I’m well aware of the word definition iDiot… The iPhone was a myth. True statement. Often spoken of, never seen… Like the Loch Ness monster. The word chosen was carefully selected to give it the proper status during its rumored existance. It’s hype preceded it before it came to fruition. Try to keep up.

          • Anonymous

            I think you are looking for rumored, not myth. 

            “iDiot”  Real original. Did you hurt yourself on that one?

          • Bullet Tooth Tony

            No, iDiot, I’m looking for the word “myth”…. to again, give it the proper status during its rumored existence.  Maybe you don’t remember 2006, it’s ok… it transcended “rumors” and took on a life of its own.  Myth is precisely the word I wanted.  Since, you know, there’s more definitions and uses for the word than describing traditional stories and folklore…. such as the definition “*any* invented story, idea, or concept.”  Nice comebck though, you haven’t gotten anything to say so you try to take some sort of moral high ground after you’ve engaged me in trying to correct my English?  Lame.  I know it’s difficult, but try to keep up, I’m a fully capable writer and know the meanings of the words I used.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t you mean during it’s “mythical” existence?  You’re right, I wouldn’t say that either because it makes absolutely no sense!  For a “fully capable writer” you sure resort to a lot of tired cliche, “iDiot.”

            Try to keep up!

          • Bullet Tooth Tony

            No, I mean it’s rumored existence – ya know, since it was rumored….  Rumoured existence if you’d like to speak in the Queens English.  Keep on trying to poke holes, and keep failing.  You obviously have a very poor reading comprehension level.  It’s ok, next time I won’t try to add any style or flair to make the post interesting so your double digit IQ can comprehend it, iDiot.  I’ll just write in very boring mundane simple statements, so even you can keep up… I wouldn’t expect any less from an every day, run of the mill Fruit Fan.  Keep trying to keep up.  I’m sure you’ll try to get the last word, and fail, yet again.

          • Anonymous

            If I’m just a simple “iDiot,” there’s that cliche I was talking about, then why do you continually respond with long, ranting posts? Seems as if you are the one that is trying to have the last word.
            See, I’ll stop posting after this, but you, who needs to have the last word, will post another lengthy rant with more unoriginal, tired clichés.