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Did the Cheaper Version of the Moto X Just Pass Through the FCC?

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We still have many readers around here who cry that the Moto X is a mid-range device not worthy of its $199 price tag, but Motorola’s plans for an even cheaper Moto X look to still be alive. First mention of this device came from Moto CEO Dennis Woodside when he said it would be on the horizon sometime soon. Nearly a month ago, we got further images and information that showed this device could come with interchangeable back plates. Today, we see the actual device, codenamed “Motorola DVX,” make its way through the FCC. 

The FCC filings that were spotted are for a GSM variant of the phone and also a CDMA variant that might be headed to Sprint; or more specifically, Sprint’s prepaid networks. Carriers like Boost Mobile, Virgin Mobile and Cricket all use this CDMA network, and Woodside said that this low-priced device would be geared more for prepaid and developing markets. Unfortunately, that is all we learned from the FCC. Usually, when a device passes through this stage, it is not too far off from launching. We could possibly see an announcement and launch sometime before the end of the year.

Is this device interesting? Or is going cheaper than the Moto X a bad call?

Via: ArsTechnica

  • Jeremy Gross

    how much more midrange can you get

  • trwb

    Republic Wireless

  • nicholas cusmina

    This was news last week

  • Tony Stark

    I still can’t believe how much the front of that thing looks like my Nexus 4

  • Me

    WTF is that in the left top corner?

    • http://AndrewNatoli.com/ Andrew Natoli

      It’s only on prototype / test models. Don’t worry.

  • monkey082506

    I’ll be honest, I was pretty let down about the off contract price. However, after reading the reviews I figured I’d give it a shot. I haven’t found something about this phone I don’t like and I’ve payed full retail. I don’t use a phone for a gaming device, I have a tablet and a system for that. It’s as close to stock as they come without being a nexus and it’s as smooth as butter. To each their own but for me, the X is awesome.

    • A.Miller

      My biggest concern is the poor camera.

      Concerns 2-3 are lack of removable battery and no SD card.

      What do people do about not being able to switch batteries? I am coming from a GNex and carry 3 batteries with me at all times.

  • Iamsanjay

    iphone 5s is better choice :)

    http://howtotakescreenshot.org/

  • joejoe5709

    Hmmmm Moto X-C? Lol.

    I kid I kid… But if this came as an N4 replacement, that wouldn’t be too bad.

  • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

    I’ve given up hope on another Nexus on Verizon. So many variables have me sticking with them. (but I’m still a happy camper) I’m holding out for a motomaker 32GB version on Big Red. I just wish I knew how long I should be expecting to hold my breath.

    I have never understood why customer service reps don’t know what phones to expect and/or when to expect them. I would think the carrier would want the customer to know how long to wait so they don’t lose them to another carrier which has it already. Example: Moto Maker Moto X. You know good and well VZW big wigs know when it’s coming to Verizon. Why hide it at the risk of losing customers to ATT? I just don’t understand that business risk. If it were me, I’d be shouting out “it’ll be just a few more weeks and the exclusive will be over. Hold on just a while longer. It’ll be worth it.” or you know, something like that to sale the customer on the idea.

    • decidedtochangename

      You can’t get a 32GB model direct from ATT without going through Moto Maker, so I would imagine once Moto maker comes to Verizon so will the 32 GB model.

    • aye_winchell

      I feel ya, i can see mum being the word on a device in testing or whatever, being that they don’t know if something will delay the release or not, but the phone is available from verizon right now, its not a matter of testing, unless verizon wants to test all of the possible color combinations cause you never know when blue will come a long a screw up the network for everyone :) My guess is they will give a firm date somewhere around the 1 month or 2 week time, so they can kick of a marketing campaign for it.

    • Ian

      Legally they probably can’t say, as it would devalue AT&Ts exclusivity. The reason AT&T paid for the exclusivity was to draw new customers and like you said you are less likely to switch if you know.

    • Joshua P.

      it hurts retail sales, there is always something newer and better coming and these people are often paid on commission. It’s better to close a sale with what you have now then fill the customers head with dreams and rumors.

  • edmicman

    Here I was hoping that “cheaper MotoX” meant the MotoX…but cheaper. So it’s really a MotoX-lite?

    Any more word on when MotoMaker will reach Verizon?

    • aye_winchell

      don’t quote me on this, and i’m just taking an educated guess based on what i have seen other people (who probably have no idea what they are talking about) say and speculate but from what i gather at or around Nov. 8th.

      • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

        I hope its beginning of Nov and not end of Nov or beginning of Dec. i’m Jonesing for this phone.

        • aye_winchell

          me too, either way i have to wait till bonus or tax return time because i have to buy 2 off contract (i’m secretly hoping for a sale price buy then, but i fully expect to have to pay $1300 for 2 phones). so ill probably be waiting until the end of Jan. before i pull the trigger on something. It is nice know what a want though, and still being able to be open to whats coming out, leaving Verizon is always an option, so so is a nexus device, so im glad to be able to wait and see what comes out, but i like the X and am excited to get one.

          • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

            I’m in a similar boat. unlimited data on my line. basic phone on my wife’s line. and old nationwide 700 voice minutes. anwyay. i’ve done a lot of math and my recent plan, you might be able to steal part of the idea to save you from buying 2 phones out right.

            i’ve determined that on my nationwide plan, it’ll be cheaper even in the long run, to add a 3rd line for $9.99 monthly, buy a discounted moto x, put it on my line, downgrade new line to no data. monthly, that ends up being cheaper monthly than shared data and buying out right for 1 phone.

          • aye_winchell

            my head kinda explodes just thinking about it, i already have a third line with a feature phone, for my dad, but i don’t think i don’t want anything on contract with verizon anymore, if there network gets any worse where i am i want to be able to bounce with a little hassle as possible (yes where i am verizon’s network is getting worse not better even after a 4g upgrade) so im pretty determined to not have any phone on contract after the 2 i have are off.

          • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

            hmm, my 4G signal is declining but i was blaming that on the ole GNexus, i need to go to the store and run speedtest on as many as i can in the store and see whats up.

          • aye_winchell

            for me the issue is two fold:
            @home pentration sucks (hahaha) so in my basement i dont get 4g most of the time (i live in town i should get great signal and do when outside) but even when outside i usually average 8 down 2 up, which i dont really care too much about, but it not that impressive for what they charge, so its a bit overpriced IMO.
            @work i get no signal, when they ended there deal to share towers with at&t they basically cut us off, keep saying they are working on it, but we are not hopeful, hard to say what will happen, but we don’t get a strong enough signal at our antennae so we can repeat the signal, its frustrating but what are you going to do.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            I was there, but just couldn’t wait any longer. Snagged the X for me and my wife about 10 days ago. Simply no regrets, it is everything that I was hoping for in a device. The colors would have been nice, but the step up in every area from my Razr is enough to satisfy me.

          • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

            Ever thought of selling them once Motomaker comes to VZW? i heavily debated it this weekend, but eBay seems to charge 10% for each sale now. It’s been 2 years since i soldon ebay. didn’t use to be that way. maybe swappa would be a good choice…thinking out loud.

  • StuckOnVerizonForever

    Bad to pair Assembled in USA and cheap together.

    • Ian

      Generally yes, but I support efforts to alter that trend.

  • Patrick Flanigan

    I would love to see if they go the other way with this and put out a higher spec version, or a Maxx version with a humongous battery. I’m waiting for the new Nexus to see which will replace my Galaxy Nexus

  • rukkus78

    price is definitely still an issue with the X. yes, it runs smooth and the battery life is decent, however, it’s still using dated tech and priced with the cutting edge tech flagships. The X should be 99 on contract and the Maxx should be 199. They missed out big time due to this and the AT&T moto maker exclusivity.

    • Daeshaun Griffiths

      Sooo…the newer dual core chip that uses the SAME cpu as the S600 but instead 4 cores theres 2, combined with the contextual cores that i haven’t seen in another smartphone is dated tech? I’ll give you the 720p panel but nothing further.

      • Jeff Tycz

        dude dont you know more cores mean more powers!! Software optimization means nothing bro../s

        • Warwick

          LOL

      • Omar Amer

        I would agree, it may have mid-range specs on paper. but the phone pretty much runs just as well as a high end phone. almost no difference between moto X and HTC One in performance except for what you see on paper.

        • guesswhat

          it runs better than s4 and htcone (non gpe versions) ..

      • Paul Hansen

        That and the fact that virtually no applications are designed to utilize more than 2 cores… The remaining 2 cores usually lie dormant.

      • Big_EZ

        And even then 720p on a 4.7″ screen is fine. It’s the 5″+ screens that would really benefit from 1080p.

        • Adrynalyne

          It wasn’t all that long ago when many were saying 1080p on a small screen like that was wasted (argument made when DNA was announced).

          • decidedtochangename

            Yes, many people like to move the goal posts.

          • PhillipCun

            you can have the best screen but if the experience suffers (like poor battery performance, unoptimized software, lack of software updates, etc) then what makes it a great phone? Just because it has good hardware?

            You need it all.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            What makes a phone great is subjective to the user. Same with what makes another one terrible.
            No phone will ever have “it all”, because we have no idea what tech will be around next week, let alone next year.

          • Big_EZ

            Yeah, 720p looks fine, even on my Note 2. However when you compare screens side by side you can tell a difference, nothing major though at 5″. I do really want 1080p on a 5.5″+ phone though, but the Note 3 seems a little disappointing. It could even be the type of screen that makes the difference, and not the resolution.

    • Adrynalyne

      It isn’t dated hardware.

      Dual core CPU that keeps up with quad core, quad core GPU, and two extra cores that actually have a purpose.

      Dated hardware is when you use an old as hell Mali GPU (same one in the GS2) in your flagships devices and charge a premium (Note II anyone?).

      Not knocking the N2 btw, just giving an example.

      • Andy Taylor

        Get off my lawn!

        • Adrynalyne

          Shut your face old man!

          • Andy Taylor

            MotoX rules! You don’t have to be old to be wise… RH

      • mclane

        here a chess benchmark with the note2:

        Iphone 5s (2 cores 1.3 ghz) 1.152.000 new highscore
        Samsung Galaxy Note2 (4 cores) 714.000
        ASUS Transformer TF300T (4 cores) 661.000
        Asus Infinity tf700 (4 cores) 590.000 new
        Galaxy S3 (4 cores) 574.000
        Pipo max M9 (4x cortex a9 1.6 ghz) 526.000
        LG Optimus 4xHD (4 cores) 521.000
        ZTE geek v975 (2+2HT intel atom) 511.000 new
        iPad4 510.000
        Nexus 10 (2 cores) 510.000 new
        Amoi N828 (4 cores MTK6589 @ 4×1,2GHz) 493.000
        iPhone 5 (2 cores) 476.800
        HTC one X tegra3 (4 cores) 470.000
        google nexus 7 tablet pc (4 cores) 457.000
        SamsungGalaxy S4(1.9Ghz,4 cores,1GBhash)450.000 new
        Asus Transformer Prime (4 threads) 440.435
        HTC one 438.000 new
        Huawei P6 (Hi-SiliconK3V2 4×1.5) 405.000 new
        Google Nexus4 (4 cores) 400.000
        Xiaomi Mi2 386.000
        Sony Xperia Z (4 cores) 376.000
        Oppo Find 5 368.000
        Samsung Galaxy 3 (2 core) 333.567
        Galaxy Note 329.000
        Trekstor Surftab 305.000
        iPad mini 277.500
        iPad3 277.000
        Ipad2 (2 cores) 274.000
        Motorola Razr i (2 cores hyperthread) 271.000
        Sony Experia S (2 cores) 259.000
        Tablet Rockchip RK3066 2core @1.6Ghz 250.000
        samsung galaxy S2 253.000
        iPhone 4S (Apple A5) 225.500
        Lenovo A660 (2 cores) 222.000
        Advent Vega Tegra2 220.500
        Sony Tablet S 218.000
        Motorola Razr xt910 (2 cores) 216.000
        Motorola Razr HD 212.000
        LG Optimus Speed P990 (2 cores) 200.000
        HTC one S qualcomm s4 (2 cores) 200.000
        Samsung Galaxy SIII 1.5GHz (2 Cores) 189.867
        Motorola Razr i (1 core) 186.000
        Nuu Nu1 (qualcom dualcore 1.7 Ghz) 142.000
        samsung epic 141.000
        HTC Flyer, 1.5 Ghz 140.000
        Advent Vega Tablet (2 cores) 137.126
        Dell Streak 133.000
        Samsung Vibrant 111.000
        Samsung Galaxy Tab 108.500
        LG Optimus 2x 102.000
        HTC HD2 1 Ghz 1 core 94.000
        HTC Desire S 90.000
        HTC Desire 84.000
        iPhone 4 80.000
        ipod touch 4 78.000
        samsung galaxy s 70.000
        7-inch Barnes and Noble Color 62.500
        Sony PRS-T1 ebook-reader 53.817
        iPhone 3GS 51.000
        HTC Wildfire S 31.000
        Android phone Qualcomm 600MHz (1 core) 25.750
        Ipod touch 2nd gen 16.500
        Palm Pre oc. 1Ghz (Webos1.4.5) 16.000
        ZT-180 10,2″ Pad 15.345
        Palm Pre oc. 800mhz (Webos1.4.5) 13.000
        APAD Rockchip 600mhz (android1.5) 10.000
        Palm Pre 500mhz (Webos1.4.5) 8.000

        can anyone test moto x and other motorola mobiles ?
        i let you know how to benchmark it.

    • PhillipCun

      but the moto x runs smoother and creates a better user experience than the flagship phones. it looks like it will be updated regularly too, unlike their competition. this is a “flagship experience” even though it doesn’t have all the “flagship specs”.

      To me, you need to have everything; not just the hardware. anyone can piece together good hardware, but who can do it all? Samsung? Nope. HTC? Nope. LG? Nope.

      • rukkus78

        I agree it’s the best user experience today on Android. However, something still makes me hesitant to use that 2 year upgrade on it. I had access to this phone when people still thought it was going to have a huge battery and “magic glass”(lol). Everyone in the department was a bit let down once we got our hands on it. As of today only one person on the Android team here has actually purchased one and that was just recently. I just think it’s a hard sell based on the circumstances with US contracts.

        • guesswhat

          its basically 4 cores running at 1ghz (Samsung s4) vs 2 cores running at 1.7 ghz always on motox ..moto selected the second option and added two more specialized cores ..its not under specced/midrange/dated tech ..its called engineering wisely ..if you dont get it you are not a tech geek ..you are sheep going by just counting number of cores ..

          • Adrynalyne

            I look at it like this.
            You can put a big ass engine in a car to make it go fast or you can optimize the car, drop the weight, and put a smaller engine in that performs the same and saves on gas.

            Change gas to battery, car to phone in this case.

          • rukkus78

            I understand where you are coming from, but for the same price as the X, Apple was able to put out the 5s that also uses a dual core that literally blows away the X in every benchmark I have seen. I just think they missed a big chance is all.

            I work in NYC and have only seen one X in the wild. Trust me, I’m rooting for Motorola/Google here.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            He doesn’t seem to be simply counting cores, but looking at the overall room for expansion. Motorola traded general compute performance (quad vs. dual core) for a specific subset of features (Touchless Control, Active Notifications, etc.). Nobody in the Android world has been able to build a device that ages gracefully, even with the most powerful hardware available at the time. Hence, the skepticism towards not using the bleeding edge of tech in a new device. Whether that skepticism is justified can only be proven out over the next year or so, and it is impossible to know what will happen between now and then.

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          I think it will ultimately come down to what Google does with Android over the last two years. If they work really hard on optimization and pulling back on the hardware requirements, I think the X has the potential to easily hit the 2-3 year mark. Also, it depends on if they try to push the hardware to its absolute limits, or if they take a more conservative approach. 4.2 and 4.3 on the GNex seemed a bit beyond what the hardware was capable of graphically.

      • Andy Taylor

        100% agree! See my long rant about this topic! https://plus.google.com/116247511326787039879/posts/1akmLKxG3M2

    • rukkus78

      You can try to justify it however you want, but in a world where you are signing two year contracts, it’s one of the least future proof devices out there. There is no reason it should cost the same as the G2 or the iPhone 5s which both blow it away if benchmarks are your thing. My Galaxy Nexus is terribly laggy as I approach the end of my 2 year contract. I’m not signing up for that again.

      It also came with a camera that needed a software tweak just to bring it up to par with other older phones and a battery much smaller than was speculated.

      I have access to all of these phones as well to take home, use as a daily driver, etc. so I am not just going by what I read on the internet.

      • Adrynalyne

        See, that is your problem. You are comparing it to the Galaxy Nexus, which was laggy and slow to begin with.

        A quad core GPU doesn’t make your phone any more future proof if the software isn’t there, or anywhere close to utilizing it. Same as 64 bit.

        By the time the OS and apps really need quad core or 64 bit, you will have upgraded at least twice.

        The MotoX is running smoother than some quad core devices. Are you going to sit there and tell me that the laggier and worse performing quad core device is more future proof?

        • rukkus78

          Do you think the G2 with stock 4.2.2 would run worse than the moto x? I doubt it. If the software is what makes the X runs so smoothly, so why pay the same for less on the hardware front?

          That’s my point. Why couldn’t they have included the newer cores/gpu in the same X8 setup if they were going to charge the same $?

          • Adrynalyne

            You can cherry pick your examples all you want, but you know as well as I do that there are poor performing quad cores out there.

            How is the G2 any more future proof than the X? Both of their futures are dependent on two things: OEM support and 3rd party developer support.

            The first one has a better chance from Moto looking at their track record, and the second one is dependent on how many developers decide to support it.

            Heck, if you want to really scrutinize it, the Moto X and G2 are throwaway devices due to their sealed nature. So neither of them are future proof.

          • rukkus78

            How is that a cherry pick? It’s the first phone to come out since the X…

          • Adrynalyne

            How? LOL…

            Its like those asses who benchmark the iPhone 5S and show how much faster it is than existing phones. There is a real big DUH! moment there.

            The G2 doesn’t perform worse than the MotoX, but show me where it performs better? Real world please, not a stupid benchmark.

            Even with the G2 in your example, it shows no evidence of being more future proof.

          • Render

            A Snapdragon S4 costs ~$28 and the s800 is probably $50 max…the processor is the only *outdated* part in the phone, so please explain to me how the Moto X is outdated because this is simply not true. The X8 architecture took far more than $22/phone to develop…

            I myself applaud Motorola for addressing the biggest elephant in the room, which was the inefficiency of both SoC integration and the overall android software. Other OEMs just strap off the shelf electronics into their phone…there is nothing innovative about that. This is also why Motorola can get fantastic battery life from a nearly 30% smaller battery than its competitors.

  • random

    Motorola’s Nexus?

    • Blue Sun

      The first thing that came to my mind too.

    • JDub

      Nope, a Moto Xc.

  • decidedtochangename

    Maybe no $100 price drop come holidays like previously reported and instead this will be out $100 cheaper?

    • http://www.ashevilletechnologyservices.com Dan Brown

      Bummer. I’d rather see a price drop on the existing hardware… no another less nice device for cheaper.

      • decidedtochangename

        I would imagine it’s going to be just downgraded shell and possibly made somewhere else.

  • Buur

    Does on-contract price even matter? I thought big problem was that it was $650 off-contract.

  • Chris Bailey

    Personally – I thought the moto X felt pretty cheap in hand… even relative to my Droid Maxx. If it’s a lot cheaper, I shudder to think what it’ll be like… Samsung? j/k

    • JDub

      Careful, this website has created a new breed of trolls. Moto X trolls that down vote every comment that is opinionated even slightly negative towards the Moto X. How dare you not like something about that phone.

      • PhillipCun

        however, every blog stated the complete opposite. Moto X feels like a solid plastic phone. the droid line plastic feels even cheaper, closer to the samsung products.

        • JDub

          This is why feel is subjective. He just stated how it felt to him. It’s an opinion and I don’t see why that would bother anyone. I personally liked the feel and look of the G2 more than the Moto X. “But, but it has a glossy back”. A glossy back doesn’t bug me in the least. My line of work almost requires a case to keep my phone safe, but even without a case the glossy back matters not to me.

          • rukkus78

            I love how everyone in the media destroyed the glossy back of the G2, but fawns over the glossy back of the iPhone 5c. They both get equally disgusting after a few days use.

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          The Ultra and Mini are the glossy ones. I can definitely see where the OP comes from if he is using a Maxx. It is a similar-feeling material but the Maxx has a heft that makes it feel really solid that the Moto X lacks.

        • rukkus78

          The maxx feels much sturdier, but doesn’t have the nice rounded back of the X. The buttons on the X are “jiggly” and the coating on the back of the black one started peeling off in one area on our test device.

        • Adrynalyne

          The Maxx isn’t like that at all.

    • Chris Bailey

      Man – share my own opinion and get everyone riled up… I expected the Samsung apologists to jump out of the woodwork. I even OWN a moto phone! :)

  • mustbepbs

    “We still have many readers around here who cry that the Moto X is a mid-range device not worthy of its $199 price tag”

    Wow, talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

    • decidedtochangename

      Some times accuracy is more important than pandering to your audience.

      • Daeshaun Griffiths

        i dont know what u said, but i like it.

      • Matthew Rebmann

        Seconded. I want real reporting, not catering to an audience.

        • mustbepbs

          So you’d rather be insulted?

          Okay.

          • Philip J. Fry

            If that insults you, this might be a good time to exit the internet.

          • mustbepbs

            It doesn’t insult me personally, it’s just an unnecessary jab at the “many readers” who support this website with clicks. It’s uncalled for and unprofessional.

          • Matthew Rebmann

            That’ s a pretty lame insult if you take it as one. I also am in the same line of thinking: too many people are crying foul over a phone that, in my humble opinion, moto took quite a long time to make perfect. As much as I LOVE extreme hardware the fact is that it isn’t exactly necessary. There are other things to improve upon.

          • Adrynalyne

            It only insults you if you fall into that category (and are ultra sensitive). I wasn’t insulted.

    • Adrynalyne

      It wasn’t a lie.

      It falls right in line with:

      moar mp = better camera
      64 bit! I must have 64 bit! Its better! It has 32 more bits!
      moar ghz = faster
      moar cores = faster

      I could go on all day about little silly things people believe, just because moar is better!

      • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

        Where’s Tom Cullen when you need him?

        M…O…O…N… that spells “more”.

  • htowngtr

    Not sure what “cheaper” would entail given it already has 720p and their own proprietary X8 architecture. I mean, what could they honestly get rid of to make it cost less?

    • Walter Sobchak

      LTE

    • AxemRed

      They could use a regular 8mp camera and a pentile or lower ppi screen. They might be able to reduce the battery size by 100-200mah so that they can fit a normal rectangular battery inside instead of the sculpted battery.

    • breadable

      Assembled in Mexico

      • StuckOnVerizonForever

        That’s if they don’t eat it before its out of the factory.

      • Gato Mafioso

        ¿que?

        • Lucky Armpit

          So can’t wait to get home tonight and watch the Breaking Bad finale. I have gone dark from the Internet for fear of spoilers, except for DL of course.

          • blackjaguar25

            Walt dies, Jesse lives. Jesse kills Todd. Walt kills the Aryans using an automated weapon out of the back of his car, uses the ricin on Lydia, and scares the Schwartzes into giving his children the money down the road. Badger and Skinny Pete help by pretending they are hitmen.

          • imnotmikal

            this guys a dick ^

      • michael arazan

        Mexico, Texas, you say potato……..

        If I buy a cheaper version of a Moto X do they give me a D1?

    • PhillipCun

      customization of the moto x comes from how it is assembled in the US. The DVX uses detachable back plates which will make the way they sell it much more cost efficient.

      And then to add to that, they can use cheaper parts here and there.

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      They could use a plastic vs. metal internal frame, Snapdragon 400 in the X8 system, hopefully keep the 4.7″ / 720p panel, and drop down to a run-of-the-mill 8MP BSI camera. So long as it comes in around $250-300 off contract, I think the performance hit moving from Krait 300/Adreno 320 to Krait 200/Adreno 225 would be okay.