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New FCC Docs Accidentally Give Us Multi-Angle Images of New LG Nexus

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LG recently submitted a “class 2 permissive change” to the FCC for Verizon’s variant of the G2, known internally as the LG-VS980. With the G2 launching on Big Red today, these last minute submissions are apparently typical. That said, there is nothing typical about this one, as it appears to be a screw-up either at the FCC or by LG. The documents are available for the world to see at this point, something that tends to happen once a phone is made available, but they do not show the LG G2 for Verizon. No sir, they show the LG-D820 in a variety of images, a device better to known to us as the next Nexus device or potentially, Nexus 5

As can be seen on the lower white sticker in the top image, the model number shows as LG-D820. The actual images themselves depict a device that matches up exactly to the phone seen in a Googler’s hands during the Kit Kat unveiling, and also last week’s FCC docs for the LG-D820. We’ve already laid out our reasons to believe that this is the next Nexus, if you haven’t read it yet.

We have a top left-positioned camera lens with flash below. On LG G2 models (all of them), the camera is centered with flash, volume, and power located directly below it. As you can see in these images, the volume rocker and power switches are located in the more traditional spots on the left and right sides of the device. Again, this is clearly not the G2.

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In the top and bottom shots of the phone, which are incredibly blurry, you can pick out microUSB and headphone ports. On the G2, you have microUSB and headphone jack both on the bottom of the device, not on opposite sides of each other like we are seeing here.

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Also, keep in mind that this looks like a very early prototype and by no means is a finished product. So no, that top notch is likely not a fingerprint scanner if that’s what you were thinking. If you look at the image below with the back removed, there is nothing underneath it from what we can tell. Oh, and this also does not mean that the back is removable – it’s simply the FCC digging under the hood. The 2300mAh battery is confirmed yet again, though.

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And is it just me or does this look identical to the shape of the Nexus 4? Thoughts?

Via:  FCC | Phonescoop | @evleaks [top image]

  • Elliot Kotis

    If they could get the Moto X to pull of always listening etc with 2100mAh (or what ever it is), I trust they will with this, well I hope.
    Edit: The HTC ONE has the same battery, father has one, life isn’t that bad.

  • fauxshizzl

    Am I in the minority of people who liked the fact the Gnex had the charge port and headphone jack on the same side of the phone? While listening to music and charging it in my car I could just put it in the cup holder.

  • NexusMan

    Ugly so far. Let’s hope the actual finished product looks better.

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    This goes against what I stand for but this is not a nexus i’m interested in. I’m curious to see why the camera is so ugly and if it shoots better than previous gens. Kit kat holds my main interest. On screen keys + all that bottom bezel? nty. Maybe the Moto X has spoiled me. Maybe the function will win over its form.

    • Cory Wilson

      Yeah I agree the bezels are too large on the 4. I think the 4 had a reason though, and the reason was the LG Optimus G was the exact same phone in a different shell. The Optimus G had physical buttons so the bezel was extended to fit the same motherboard. This phone however looks to be built from the ground up so there isn’t an excuse. And the moto X is absolutely amazing btw

  • abhele

    looks like a samsung captivate

  • Laborin_HK

    I slightly regret getting a HTC one knowing this was incoming. Slightly.

    This looks much more mature than the Nexus 4, but I’m happy with my Htc one.

  • Patrick Bateman

    when dis shyte cummin out? plz excuze my gramar im typing from a palm pre 2…

  • howitzerr

    I think i see a back cover partly peeled of
    Removable battery ??!!!

  • Trysta

    Maybe it has already been mentioned by someone else but does anyone feel like Google is trolling us hard?!

    I mean come on!

    LG: Whoops I “accidentally” slipped some nexus 5 photos in with the Verizon G2. How did that happen? My bad! Please tech blogs don’t post this all over the interwebs!

    Also for anyone going back to the actual FCC website both the original leak (on the D820 listing) and this current leak were pulled fairly quickly from the list of FCC docs in a suspiciously similar manner to the Kitkat 4.4 unveiling video.

    Hopefully if Google is trying to generate buzz they aren’t going to leave us hanging for long!

  • Love the grippy backing and the obvious removable back panel, which means the battery is replaceable 🙂

    • chris420o

      not necessarily

  • Nee Austin

    Can the camera can be top notch whatever it is? I recall having read that open source is a primary hindrance to great camera results?

  • Akashshr

    Marry me! Have my babies! 🙂

  • Mike Hilal

    2300mah 3.8v Li-Poly Battery….le sigh

    • Skittlez

      why?

      • Mike Hilal

        Too small, and it looks like it is not removable.

        • Skittlez

          why would it be too small? 2100mah in the nexus 4 got me through more than a day

          • Mike Hilal

            on GSM w/o LTE. With LTE and/or CDMA, anything less than 2800 isnt gonna cut it. Gnex owners will fill you in.

          • PhantomGamers

            i run lte on my nexus 4 and battery life is pretty good… gets me through a day with about 3 hours on screen time average (it varies a lot though :/)

          • Mike Hilal

            Right, as LTE and GSM do not run simultaneously…this is not a shocker. LTE and CDMA DO run simultaneously on the verizon gnex (the one in question here) and vaporize even the extended battery in under 8 hours on LTE with 3 hours of screen time. Jeff might have 1-2 hours on screen max to get those kinds of battery life

          • PhantomGamers

            the device in question here is the nexus 5 with its 2300mah battery ;P, which wont be on vzw so cdma is irrelevant. i would expect the experience to be similar to the nexus 4

          • Mike Hilal

            we dont know that 100% yet, but you’re probably right. Vzw screwed the pooch on the gnex. If they built one with CDMA2000 and the right radio frequencies, verizon would be required to activate it…but not support it. They should have done this from the start.

          • Skittlez

            i am a g-nex owner. my 1850 used to get me 17-20 hours in like the first year or so.

          • jeff

            But not a Verizon gnex owner. 15 hours max on CDMA, 11-13 on LTE. And thats on the extended 2100mah battery. Mike has it right.

  • chris125

    We can only hope this isn’t a mix up and indeed the nexus will come to Verizon

    • Skittlez

      the verge still seems to think it’s possible for 1 to come to each carrier, even with this “mix-up”. still have hope

  • aBabyPenguin

    Do we know if the new Nexus will have Gorilla Glass? The GNex didn’t and I was pissed when I found little scratches on my screen. I take good care of my devices, and the scratches on my GNex are minimal, but I would like to rest assured that my future Nexus still look pretty in a year or two.

  • chris125

    Looks pretty darn thick. Google is starting to turn into apple with making their devices look the same

    • zurginator

      Or Sony, or Samsung, or Motorola (pre-X rebranding), or HTC (now that they’ve established themselves).

      It’s called creating a brand image, and it’s vital for a company to do.

    • Mike Hilal

      Do you not want accessories? This is why apple phones have them and android phones do not. Retooling costs would make for $99 desktop docks…oh wait…

  • Pakmann2k

    So it looks like the sim slot is just below the power button. There also appears to be another slot on the opposite side 1/2 way down from the volume rocker. Crappy pictures make it hard to see but I think there is a slot there. Micro SD? With the amount of attachment points from the backplate to the main device, I would say this is not going to be “battery” serviceable. I also doubt that the battery in this “FCC device” is the one that will ship with the new device, it just doesn’t fit right and when you are building devices with such small tolerances, you don’t leave gaps around something like that. There are multiple contact points from the back plate to the device, NFC can be seen and I assume wireless charging for the four silver points. At the top there seems to be 3 x 2point connections on top for antennas built into the door. Add in the fact that the main speaker is also built into the back door (below flash hole) in lieu of on the main board, there seems to be more than enough evidence to point that this back plate is not meant to come off.

  • Sirx

    Naw. I’ll wait for it to come out first. Then I’ll wait for it to have some obvious, “What the hell was Google thinking?” flaw: poor battery life, bad materials, software spaz, etc. Then I’ll wait for the Nexus apologists to come in and say “What’s a flagship without a few quirks. It’s good enough.” (after roasting other OEMs over an open flame for the same “quirks” for months, mind you) and “But the updatez!” Then I’ll pass on it to get a phone that does what you expect it to do how you expect it to be done.

    And for anyone who wants to argue otherwise, I have three words for you: Three-way call.

    • joejoe5709

      Then we’ll see you in 12 months when you’re still stuck on 4.2.2 and ask you what you think. My GNex sucks as a phone, but the dev community makes it one of the best. Without them, it’s not an awesome phone. I’ll give you that.

    • Skittlez

      i wouldn’t knock the battery. the 2100mah that came in the nexus 4 would get me through more than 1 day of use.

      • chris420o

        no lte

  • valapsp

    why on earth a 2300mah battery. What happened to you Google?

    • joejoe5709

      They’ve never changed. Look at all the Nexus phones/tablets and even the Moto X. None of them have large batteries for their class. But somehow we still love them to death.

    • Skittlez

      battery still lasts a long time. other phones need that battery to counteract the drain from the skins

      • Dee

        not according to most of of the n4 users over at xda

        • Skittlez

          i was a N4 user, and i would get over a day of use. 18 hours was the least i got. and thats 2100mah

      • valapsp

        alibi!

  • RXG9

    Please have a removable back/battery! Also it’s too bad that the headphone jack is on top of the device.

  • zombiewolf115

    idk why but i like the look of my nexus 4 better feels more idk sexier. but dont get me rong its a good looking phone. but i rather stay on my nexus 4 till next years nexus comes out. hopefully moto or sony makes the next model

  • RXG9

    Please have a removable back/battery!

  • RXG9

    🙁 doesn’t look like it will have a removable back. How come Samsung is the only company to make phones with removable backplates!

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  • jayman1576

    Thoughts: Why oh why is the headphone jack on the top and the usb on the bottom? Don’t they realize how awkward that is when both have cables attached? Ugh. dumb design if you ask me. Keep the ports in the same place!

  • kkloster

    but the third picture down makes it look like it does have a removable back, with snap tabs like the galaxy nexus has almost.

    • Skittlez

      that back on the phone isn’t the final though, so we won’t know until we get more pics of the final product

      • acras

        The FCC filing stated non-removable backplate

        • Skittlez

          I didn’t mean for that comment to be here. It was for someone that said there was no nexus on the back of the device

  • Jerry13

    From The Verge

    Update: Leaks so far suggest there will be at least two different Nexus 5 models. The model leaked last week (called LG-D820) had wireless radios that could support AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile LTE. Today’s FCC filing shows a model known as LG-VS980, which is explained in the filing as being “identical” to the previously-certified LG G2 for Verizon Wireless save for “some” hardware and software changes. The filing shows that this model has radios that could support Verizon’s LTE bands, namely 13 and 4, as well as the carrier’s 3G CDMA network.

    • jh123416

      Just read this. Good god. I have hope.

    • Dale

      I share your hope but I think this was only a mistake. The setup pictures in the same batch of FCC updates clearly show the Verizon G2 being tested.

      What we can wait and see is whether or not these pictures get taken down. If not, it may not be a mistake.

      • Trysta

        the pictures have already been taken down as far as I can tell (but the same is true of the original D820 leak).

    • joejoe5709

      Link? This could make my day.

    • Steve B

      That was a mistake. Did you even read this article?

      • NexusPhan69

        Do you read his article? It is clearly not a mistake.

        • Steve B

          Again, Kellen disputes this above. There’s a plethora of misinformation out there today and the Verge just added to it. The pictures are indeed of the Nexus 5, but the FCC filing is clearly for some G2 variant. If you dig through the FCC documents you can clearly tell they’re talking about the Verizon G2.

          • NexusPhan69

            Ah you meant did I read the Droid-Life article. I misread that. My bad. Yes I did but then the Verge updated their article to reiterate the Verizon part. I initially thought Droid-Life was behind the latest news – wrong. I’m thinking you are right. Disappointing. What a messed up FCC filing.

        • joejoe5709

          Hate to say it, but Steve B might be right.

  • Liderc

    God why couldn’t they get this on Verizon, I’d die for this one. Looks so good. There has to be a reason for the camera being so big, hopefully they’ve finally included a great camera.

    • Steve B

      Blame falls on both parties unfortunately. I prefer bash Verizon though.

  • ninjawarren

    Is anyone seeing a speaker grill on the back or sides? I can’t make one out, I wonder what they’re doing there.

    • Jeff

      It’s not the final design.

    • maybe using the phones backplate as the transducer like some sort of witchcraft.

  • Dusty

    What if LG is making a nexus for verizon but just calling it the LG Nexus G2 on Verizon!!! /s
    kinda wish it was true though…

  • Tony Byatt

    5, 7, 10…Those are nice numbers for the Nexus line…

    • joejoe5709

      I’m kind of hoping there will be a new Nexus 4 in addition to those. I think a smaller phone still has a place in Google’s stable. Will we see one in time for the holiday season? Not likely. We’d probably start seeing leaks by now.

  • Gabriel

    New features: No speaker.

    • joejoe5709

      It has a dedicated low power co-processor that controls a telekinetic sound driver. Take that, Apple! /s

  • What if this is actually a bastardized version of the G2 that Verizon is going to brand as a Droid! lol….

    • I think Moto is now exclusively the “droid” brand with verizon now.

  • Zain Kalwani

    Is it just me who is attracted by this phone?

    • Steve B

      The amount of semen all over this post would suggest otherwise.

      • ToddAwesome

        ah, so that’s what that smell is.

  • MK17

    I’m most excited about the Palm-like wireless charging. Best wireless charging system to date.

    • Steve B

      What?

  • Andrew Remmers

    Am I the only one who notices no speaker grills on this entire device?

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Induction speakers?!?!

      • Andrew Remmers

        Piezio-Electric is also another possiblity! Front facing speakers without having speakers!

        • Franklin Ramsey

          The thing I’m worried about is someone seeing this and thinking we are serious.

          • Andrew Remmers

            Who said I was kidding? Why couldn’t it be a possibility? Can anyone else point out speaker grills of any kind on the device?

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Well, I mean it is a remote possibility, but This is how rumors start! lol

      • its pretty easy to make a speaker out of the device itself.

        something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pZr-3D2Mus

        but with plastic instead of a potato chip.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Well, I realize that. I think they use Induction technology in Google glass, but I doubt they will use it in a phone at this time.

  • shooter50

    To all those who describe this or any phone as “sexy”. I worry about you.

    • Patrick Bateman

      gtfo

  • JohanV
    • trixnkix637

      You sir win all the monies for that gif. lol.

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    • NexusPhan69

      Uhhh, guys? You’re all about to actually do this dance.

      “there will be at least two different Nexus 5 models. The model leaked last week (called LG-D820) had wireless radios that could support AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile LTE. Today’s FCC filing shows a model known as LG-VS980, which is explained in the filing as being “identical” to the previously certified LG G2 for Verizon Wireless save for “some” hardware and software changes. The filing shows that this model has radios that could support Verizon’s LTE bands, namely 13 and 4, as well as the carrier’s 3G CDMA network.”

      http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4723138/lg-nexus-5-photo-details-revealed-in-fcc-filing

      • ReturnOfTheMack

        Just saw that…I keep telling myself not to hold my breath but I literally started doing that dance after I read it.

        • NexusPhan69

          Get ’em. what it is, what it does, what it is, what it isn’t.

          • RetutnOfTheMack

            I bought a G-Nex last year after the N4 didn’t land on big red so if this is true I will be ecstatic and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Still not holding my breath but once you go Nexus…

          • Kokomo

            Dat Nexus… Same here, Nexus or bust baby!

          • acras

            You’re excited for the G2 on Verizon? Read the story again , slowly . Not a Verizon Nexus.

          • Aaron Sibold

            Good luck brother man. There will never be a Nexus device on VZW again. The GNex was a prirme example of a carrier not knowing how to design/control a device outside of their locked curriculum. All hail the Moto X. That is currently what I gave up my unlimited plan for. If someone wants it they got 4 days. Contract ends December of ’13.

            On a sidenote… spellcheck is handy on Chrome when you are smashed x 23.

            P.S.S. This message took me ~30 minutes to comopose.

          • Aaron Sibold

            P.S.S.S. It’s the shark face gang stunna.

      • Franklin Ramsey

        I hate to break it to you but the LG-VS980 is the Verizon G2 that was certified. There was a Permissive change filed for it which means they changed the final specs of the device in some way and needed those parts re-certified. You can look through the Documents under the source link yourself if you don’t believe me.

        • NexusPhan69

          I’m not entirely convinced. Does that mean this FCC filing had pictures included for the completely wrong phone? I guess that’s possible. I always doubted that Verizon would ever get a Nexus again so I wouldn’t be surprised.

          • ReturnOfTheMack

            I see where he is coming from but the pictures from the FCC filing match the device from the KitKat video so well.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Sadly, all the rest of the photos under the filing show a Verizon G2.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Yes. If you look through the rest of the photos on the FCC filing including the pictures taken during testing it is clearly a G2 (has the buttons on the back and everything) and also the manual with the filing is for the Verizon G2. I’m not saying there isn’t a possibility for a Verizon Variant (which I hope comes to light), but this, sadly, isn’t it.

          • michael arazan

            Kind of sucks to punish the customer/ consumer for being on Verizon and they are android fans, sucks that compromise in today’s terminology makes it a Four Letter word

      • cheese

        except they’re wrong.

        theverge is claiming that the LG-VS980 is the Nexus 5 leaked photos from today. It’s not. It’s a mistake someone made that filed the LG-D820 photo onto the LG-VS980 FCC filing page. Seriously, does anyone do the research on their own?

        http://www.androidpolice.com/2

        The LG-VS980 is the Verizon LG G2

        The LG-D820 is the photos leaked from today and indeed is the next Nexus phone but will not support Verizon LTE band (13).

        Look at one of the test setup photos for the VS980, it looks like the G2, not the Nexus 5.

        http://i.imgur.com/Z3Ltcvh.png

        Also, look at the closeup of the leaked photos from today. It shows as LG-D820, not VS980.

        http://i.imgur.com/Ln9m7WO.jpg

        • NexusPhan69

          Hold up a second. If the VS980 is the Verizon LG G2, then what the balls is the LG D821 that supports Verizon bands?

  • RaptorOO7

    Way to go FCC, those folks must walk around with their fly open all day.

  • curiosity has the best of me. why would the “NEXUS” word not be on the back, even on a prototype? isn’t it more engraved like on nexus 7 and not just a sticker type like the verizon 4G LTE logo on back of G2?

    • i thought it should. even the Nexus 7 had a nexus word on the back in the FCC filing. zoom in but its there on the right hand picture, first page.

      https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1803983

    • Because this early prototype doesn’t have it? I understand that past Nexus devices have had “Nexus” on them in FCC images, but that doesn’t mean they have to.

  • ArrTooDeeToo

    Such an irony of sadness, to accidentally show the next Nexus as a Verizon device when it probably won’t ever be on Verizon. 🙁

    • John Davids
      • Shamu

        I can say confidently we both like eachothers profile pictures

        • John Davids

          Random, but accurate. 🙂

          • Shamu

            I love finding musers on the internet! Loving Android is a plus!

      • Lold hard.

        • John Davids

          Virtually every conversation can be supplemented with a relevant Futurama quote. 🙂

  • Shadowstare

    The 3000 mAh battery from the G2 would have been GREAT with any Nexus phone. Especially since the devices are so similar based on model number and specs.

    But I do love the idea of a new nexus device on a CDMA network, I just hope its Verizon.

  • JohanV

    I actually loved the glass back on the N4, hope this is not plastic.

  • ynksbsbll2

    VERIZON NEXUS 5 CONFIRMED

    • Tim242

      Ummmm NO.

      • Dan

        How about if I say “please” again?

      • Liderc

        So have you accepted the fact that you were wrong those 400 times you posted that the phone had square edges? lol

        • Tim242

          Maybe. : )

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I don’t know if you are trolling or if you just didn’t read the article?

      • ynksbsbll2

        No I read it, but ignorance is bliss for a Verizon user like myself.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Oh Verizon. The carrier you love as much as you love to hate. Yeah, I’m sitting here wishing on Verizon too.

  • joseph barrientos

    just release the damn thing lol

  • bozzykid

    Can you tell what type of SIM slot it has?

  • Tobias Fünke, M.D. Analrapist

    Come to leather daddy!

  • Jeff

    I knew it would probably look like this (generic slab), but I’m still a bit disappointed it doesn’t look more like a Moto X (not that I really thought it would). I guess I just want the benefits of a Nexus with the design of the Moto X.

  • Here we go!

    Color me unimpressed. The design seems rather boring to me. Just like the new i*hone this looks just incremental when we were all hoping for more.

    • Skittlez

      i don’t think people really look forward to the next nexus for the design of the device, but the device actually looks good. we all know that this backside isn’t the finished product

  • EC8CH

    Did Mr. Blurrycam get a job at the FCC?

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I thought he has a job pretty much everywhere.

  • EC8CH

    “NOT FOR SALE”

    on Verizon 🙁

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I wanted to down vote this because I don’t like thinking that way, but it is sadly probably true. Also, let’s face it, that was fairly funny. Take my up vote good sir.

      • cheese

        It’s not probably. It’s a fact. The Nexus 5 is NOT coming to Verizon Wireless.

        http://i.imgur.com/msJrBqz.png

        Letter from LG to FCC showing Verizon LTE band not supported (13)

        • James Friedman

          Your crushing dreams man….not cool! 🙁

          • cheese

            If you really want this N5, I would recommend switching to a different carrier. This is what I will be doing, switching to T-Mobile from Verizon.

          • Skittlez

            i probably will too, but i’m going to stay on verizon if 1. Google does announce the N5 on Verizon, or 2. G2 gets unlocked bootloader/root with an awesome AOSP ROM

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Well nothing is fact until it is official. It could be that they are doing another Gnex type situation where there is one version that is sold on the Play Store and one version that is sold by Verizon. I very much doubt it, but it isn’t a fact until it’s announced.

          • cheese

            Sorry, I know you want it to be true. FCC is as official as you get.

            If you can’t take FCC’s word for it, then I don’t know what will…

            Also, think about it. Why would Verizon want to release a pure Nexus phone on the Verizon network, when they just released the Moto X just a couple weeks ago? Doesn’t make sense! There will be no Nexus 5 on Verizon! PERIOD!

          • Franklin Ramsey

            I don’t know how the FCC releasing a Phone makes it official that a company won’t release another version of the phone which supports Verizon. I pointed out it has been done before with the Gnex. I’m not saying it will happen, I’m saying you can’t say for certain that it won’t until it is official. I fully expect Verizon won’t ever have a Nexus again as long as CDMA is in the picture, but that doesn’t make something official.

          • Skittlez

            unless you work for either Verizon or Google or LG, you don’t know this. yes, it’s unlikely, but the Gnex was a separate device from the GSM model. It is still possible, but like he said, we won’t know until announcement. No one knew the Gnex was coming to Verizon until last minute.

        • NexusPhan69

          And just like that. Your whole world is shattered.

          See update 2. Second Nexus 5 FCC filing today. For Verizon.

          http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4723138/lg-nexus-5-photo-details-revealed-in-fcc-filing

  • Liderc

    That front with no logos ZOMG so sexy.

    • Steve B

      This. The only way it should be.

  • Steven Libretti

    doesnt look like there is a external memory slot either

    • Steve B

      Have you been living under a rock?

      • ToddAwesome

        be nice, he only has 6 comments, he’s new.

        • Steve B

          Sorry, reflex. I hold Steve’s to a higher standard.

  • Jordan Pfingsten

    Very glad I went with a Moto X.

  • TMKvamme

    I pulled the top picture into AutoCAD and scaled it with the handy rulers they provided for us.

    Screen size is approximately 12.5cm or 4.9″.

    (The picture with the screen has the blurriest rulers so the measurements are by no means exact.)

    • Jeff

      No real need to do that, since they reported the size specs about a week ago.

    • Kenton Douglas

      so still a nexus 4 then?

      • Tim242

        No. Nexus 4 already exists. Phones are not named by display size. It was 4.7″, not 4″. Don’t tell me they rounded down, that is silly. No phone has ever been named by display side. That is tablets only.

        • So in three generations, we will have two Nexus 7’s?

          • Tim242

            Nope. They will do one of two things. They’ll name it, like they did with two of the four, or they’ll keep the display at 5″ from now on and call it Nexus 5 from here on out. You never know, a lot of naming conventions change. The iPhone 4 was named by gen number, then they broke convention again with the 4S. The 5 should’ve been the 6. Who knows how they will handle their naming. Continuing to do gen number is silly. Are we going to see Galaxy S 50 ?

          • Just_Some_Nobody

            They should just call it “the Nexus phone”.

            This year could be “The Nexus phone 2013 edition.”

        • JRomeo

          While it might be true that phones have never been named on display size. the N7 tablets naming convention will probably carry over to phones. the 4.96 inch future Nexus is so close to 5 inches it might as well be the N5, and every future phone which is ~5 inches will be called the N5 just like every future N7 which is 7 inches will be called the N7

          • Tim242

            That’s what I’m thinking. The Nexus 4 was named by gen number. I am thinking they will converge gen number and display size going forward. But, we won’t know until next year…unless they don’t call this the Nexus 5. They might give it a name and leave off the number again. We shall see.

          • Droidzilla

            I don’t believe the Nexus 4 was named by version number, but it’s really hard to be sure. Google started the screen size naming convention with the Nexus 4, 7, and 10. I get that Nexus 4 isn’t really apropos for a 4.7″ screen, but I believe it’s a fairly loose naming convention. So we’ll have the Nexus 5, which will bring zero clarity since it’s both the 5th phone and 4.96″. Thanks for clearing that up, Google.

          • a3uge

            I don’t think it really matters. The 7 came out months before the 4, so it’s not like they were completely ignoring their other versioning scheme. They probably came up with this all at one time and have a plan for phone names in the next couple of year. The 4 makes for a good name because it can mean both the version and screen size. The 5 will also work. Apple has the same confusion with the iPhone numbering. The iPhone 3G was the version after the first iPhone. The iPhone 4 didn’t have 4G and was their 4th generation. Windows 7 was also confusing name as it didn’t exactly correspond to their version numbers. In a couple years, they won’t release a Nexus 6, unless it’s a phablet. They could also go back and release a Nexus 4 that has a smaller screen and is a bit cheaper.

            Who knows? They started the trend of re-releasing the 7 as the same name, so maybe they’re going the route of the iPad/iPod. In a few years the Nexus name could get stale and you could see Google putting names/letters at the end of ‘Nexus’ again… we’ll see. For now, arguing over what how they derived the name ‘Nexus 4’ is pretty pointless because they probably had multiple people in whatever meeting this was say “oh it fits the version number and roughly the phone size.”

        • ninjawarren

          The problem with this line of reasoning is that Google can’t make a device called Nexus 6, thanks to the estate of Philip K. Dick being sue-happy.

          • a3uge

            I’m pretty sure Google could name it the “Star Trek Enterprise” and win that lawsuit.

        • Kenton Douglas

          I have no idea what you’re talking about. I sincerely hope you do.

          • Tim242

            So I take it that you think naming it Nexus 4 based on a 4.7″ display makes more sense than because it was the 4th Nexus? I mean, no other phone in history has been named by display size. Tablets however, it is very common. The silly ideas some people get in their heads never ceases to amaze.

          • Kenton Douglas

            What happens when they get to the seventh nexus phone?

          • Tim242

            There are a few possibilities. The first possibility is that they converge numbering and screen size together with the upcoming Nexus. It will be the 5th Nexus, with a 5″ display. That way, it can be Nexus 5 from here on out. I’m not sure though if they’ll stop increasing screen size. Another possibility is just a name without a number. The best possibility is just call it the New Nexus, or Nexus(2014). Who knows. I do know that they’ve had 4 Nexus phones so far, 2 had just names, the other 2 had gen number. There is no logical reason that the 4 in Nexus 4 came from its 4.7″ display. Never mind the fact that no phone has ever been named by screen size. Why would they want to under advertise the screen size? Phones and tablets are in different categories, and are named differently. Look at the Galaxy Note line. The 5.3″, 5.5″, and now the 5.7″ phone is named by gen. The 7″, 7.7″, 8″, and 10″ tablets are named by display size.

    • joejoe5709

      Reports say 4.96 so very very close! Basically 5″. I mean, at the point can’t we just call it 5″? That’s what… a millimeter difference?

      • Droidzilla

        1.016 mm

        • joejoe5709

          Lol. Thank you.

  • Tony Byatt

    I have my N4 listing ready…HA…

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Best Buy’s Trade in still lists the trade in value of an N4 above $250. Kind of funny since the price dropped and they haven’t updated that yet.

      • Droidzilla

        Do you have to buy a new device with Best Buy for that to apply?

        • Franklin Ramsey

          No, but the higher amount is given as a gift card. I think the gift card Value is $254 dollars while the dollar value if you want a check is somewhat less. Don’t know the specifics of if they will do cash/check on that model though.

  • Cory_S

    Is that a rocket launcher attachment strapped to the back? I hope it comes standard

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I’m guessing a mini blow dart attachment. Doesn’t take up as much power.

    • joejoe5709

      iPhone gets fingerprint scanners. Nexus gets rocket powered drones. Either way, it’s a win for the NSA. Lol.

  • TY

    Where’s the speaker? That circle under the camera and LED?

  • BobbyG

    That battery 🙁

  • Butters619

    When I saw the little cut out at the top, my first thought was IR blaster. (which would still point forward when holding the phone like a remote)

  • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

    my precious

    • New_Guy

      This thing is gorgeous. I’m basically sold already.

      • TheDrizzle

        Agreed, but I’m worried about the size and thickness. Looks pretty thick. But since it’s a Nexus I’m going to buy it anyway to get those sweet, sweet updates.

        • ImmaDroid

          Doesn’t the rear camera lens look really small? It’s like the size of a front facing camera. Not the huge circle, the actual little lens

          • zurginator

            Same size as normal – the absurdly huge circle around it is what makes it look so small.

          • ImmaDroid

            Yea I guess.. But thinking about it, they Should start making better camera tech with larger lenses. I would sacrifice thickness And weight for an actual better built in camera. Not like galaxy camera big, but a bit bigger than now. Also a small optical zoom lens would be cool too

          • Mickey A Valentine

            To bad we can’t switch out the Nokia OS for android and get that amazing 41 megapixel camera

          • zurginator

            The problem with this argument (and the thicker phone with bigger battery argument) is that only the portion filled by those components (usually less than 50%) would need to be thicker – you can’t make the motherboard thicker to make it smaller in other dimensions.

            There are ways around this, but people hate what it brings (large bezels, squared-off design, the ‘Motorola Hump’).

  • evolutionx1

    I think the black box on the top back of the phone could be the speaker, since i couldn’t find the speaker anywhere else

    • Steve B

      nope

  • MichaelFranz

    that camera eye looks huge but the actual optic looks a bit smaller. the camera just looks weird. i know its not finished but you can’t imagine its not pretty close.

    inductive chagring looks to be confirmed, which is nice..

    • LionStone

      Figured so with the wireless charging since the Nexus 4 had it and the new nexus 7…Google knows what up!

  • Eric

    Shiny black plastic along the sides…hopefully it is just a prototype.

  • gah stupid off-center camera. I hope there is a parallel nexus 5 from another company.

  • Jeff Tycz

    No signs of a glass back..I approve

    • StuckOnVerizonForever

      I hope its plastic.

      • Omar

        That wouldn’t be so bad just make it high quality; semi furry and very grippy or leathery

        • acras

          Furry? FURRY!!??

          • Omar

            bad description. meant grippy almost rubber-ish

      • mustbepbs

        It looks like the same soft-touch material that’s on the new Nexus 7.

        • StuckOnVerizonForever

          aka plastic

          • Just_Some_Nobody

            Didn’t you hear? Plastic is now “In”.

          • diversification

            I thought that wood was in…
            .
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            That’s what she said

      • j

        People like to bitch about plastic.. but it’s clearly one of the the best fits for smartphone bodies. Aside from “feel”, its has more benefits than aluminum.. and glass is just a freaking joke. Haven’t used any of these fancy kevlar bodies, but they probably work pretty damned well too.

        • Sqube

          It seems that when people complain about plastic, they’re mostly talking about Samsung.

          HTC put plastic on the One X, and it was great. And now that Apple has put plastic on the 5c, obviously plastic is one of the greatest phone materials known to mankind.

          • Yup

            Yeah. It’s just Samsung’s implementation of plastic is horrible. At least with the new Note 3 they’re trying something different.

            Read this article for a good laugh. The author makes it seem like Apple invented plastic and injection molding. I pretended he was talking about the HTC Windows Phone 8 since they’re basically made the same way and it made the article bearable to read.
            http://gizmodo.com/the-brilliant-simplicity-behind-the-iphone-5cs-design-1291914052

          • Francois Schneider

            Gizmodo are so Apple fanboys it’s becoming a sad joke.

          • maverick

            So you approve of plastic after apple used it. [email protected]

          • Sqube

            The extent to which that sarcasm was lost on you would be sad if it wasn’t so funny.

          • Greyhame

            LOL.

        • Flat_Stanley

          Also, plastics can have about a billion different “feels” depending on the composition. Not all of them are glossy.

        • James Friedman

          And it keeps the price down….double win!

    • Chris Hannan

      I’m going to miss the glass.

      • Joe

        Said nobody ever.

        • Chris Hannan

          I don’t understand the hate for glass backs. It’s simple and relatively cheap to replace. $25 on eBay for the replacement and the back pops off after you unscrew the two bottom screws.

          I haven’t had to replace it yet but even if I did, it’s worth it for the way it looks and feels.

          • E A butler

            The fact that it CAN be broken quite easily and it serves no REAL purpose, means it should be out. Nothing wrong with good old plastic.

          • Chris Hannan

            I wouldn’t say it cracks easily. Mine is still in one solid piece. And its purpose is no less than wearing nice looking clothes or having an aluminum phone. I said I like the way it looks and feels.

          • zurginator

            I have broken 2 N4 screens (yay for slim bezels with no shock absorption), but never broken the back. My last one was thrown at a concrete wall by a chick… Did some nasty work to the plastic, but the glass was fine.

        • zurginator

          I said it. 🙁

  • Knlegend1

    A nexus will never be on my radar with you 16gbs of storage.

  • Bigwavedave25

    Hahaa, the only photos that are correct are for the “setup photos wlan and bt”

  • LanaDelRey

    Is this like a modern light saber?

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Hmmmm I’d rather have the Light Saber.

  • damian Rod

    Umm, can anybody locate the speaker grills?

    • Ian

      Yep, they are on the next iteration of the prototype 🙂

  • Shagnscooby

    Am I missing something…..where’s the speaker? I guess the front could still have it since the pic is so blurry.

    • Steve B

      Bottom maybe?

    • Ian

      Early prototype

  • a3uge

    Is that notch at the top for an IR blaster? If so, party.

  • Justtyn Hutcheson

    Also:
    Dat camera module 0.0

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Looks better than my Gnex camera module! lol

  • Real Talk

    Your phone can be remotely activated to function as a microphone, even when powered off. The only way to have a guaranteed private conversation is to remove the battery, which you can’t in most smart phones now, thanks to freedom killing corporations like Google making nice with the NSA.

    Also, batteries lose their capacity to charge the more you use them, so I hope you like your domestic surveillance spy phones to be bricks in less than a year.

    • Steve B

      “even when powered off”

      How would they achieve this? Have an NSA person sneak into your house and power it on?

      • Not to encourage Real Talk here but yes gps tracking and some other functions still are enabled when the phones are powered off, only removing the power source prevents this.

        • Steve B

          Didn’t know this. How do they do it?

          • Its not exactly the functionality of normal gps and things. Its like a signal sent to/from the towers. I dont know exactly how it works.

          • Liderc

            This is actually true. My dad is a retired CIA head and we were joking one night about cell phones and being traced and whatnot, and I said “well I’ll just turn it off” and he looked at me like I was an idiot. He later told me they can access pretty much anything with the phone off. If the battery is taken out though it loses it’s charge very quickly and once there’s no residual charge then it can’t be traced.

        • Real Talk

          Microphones can be remotely activated, even when the phone is powered off. Has been true for years. http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html

    • Brian Menius

      The only thing “real” here is your tin foil hat. It’s clear it’s crafted of the finest tin available.

    • Raj Bhatt

      !!

    • joejoe5709

      Dude. Go to another forum. Not here.

  • joejoe5709

    Ah… Kinda disappointed the headphone jack is up top and the bezel is a little larger than expected. Minor things though. Just bring it to Verizon!!

  • Why can’t the Nexus line have larger batteries… I would have loved the 3000mAh batter that’s in the G2

    • Skittlez

      it doesn’t need it since it doesn’t have to worry about skins on top. the 2100 in the Nexus 4 used to last me over a day

      • Eminemz

        You saying a phone doesn’t need as much battery as it could have is like me saying you don’t need anymore money in your wallet because that $50 will suffice you for the day.

        See that flat, pancake looking thing? That’s your logic I just crushed.

  • Andy Stetson

    hoping it’s because it’s a prototype, but it looks THICK! And really? 2300mAh?!? C’mon!

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I don’t know about you, but I like them THICK. Easier to handle and harder to break!

      • C’mon man, we’re talking about phones here… =P

        • Franklin Ramsey

          So am I 😉

          • Awe, I was hoping you’d play along with me joke! 🙂

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Well technically that’s what the wink was for. Let’s just say I like my phones like I like my women.

          • Well played, sir!

  • OneForTheGoodDays

    Looks like the 4.96″ vs. 5.2″ and virtually no bezel vs. definite is because of the volume rocker and power button… also, anyone think the phone is looking thick?

  • TheWenger

    The bottom chin does seem kinda large for having on-screen buttons. Larger than my G-Nex.

  • WCM3

    I thought the nexus would keep the headphone jack on the bottom like the G2. FAIL, Google.

    • I know headphone jack placement isn’t the biggest deal in the world, but would it be that hard to put one on the top AND another one on the bottom? Yes, it would waste a bit of precious space, but I can imagine that being a cool little feature that would fill a few seconds in an ad as someone moves their headphones from one end to the other to switch to a new activity (like putting their phone in their pocket). That just might sell…and then everyone would be happy because you could use whichever one you prefer 🙂

      • Butters619

        It would waste a lot of space. The headphone jack actually takes up a significant amount of space in the phone. Plus, they would have to run cables from both headphone jacks for audio/power.

        • Yeah, the port itself would take space, but if it’s a feature that sells (it would be unique at first at least), then it would be worth cramming it in there.

          And cables? I don’t think we speak in terms of cables anymore 🙂 Maybe three extra lines on a PCB, but that would be negligible compared to the rest of the “wires” printed on the mobo.

          • Butters619

            I don’t think 2 headphone jacks is really a feature that sells.

          • Steve B

            I would purposely NOT buy a phone if it had two headphone jacks.

          • Butters619

            Yeah. We make fun of Apple for adding an extra row of icons. I feel people just wouldn’t be able to let down adding a second jack.

          • mx

            “if it’s a feature that sells, then it would be worth cramming it in there.”

            That kind of thinking leads to this:

            http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Homer

    • TheRobotCow

      Yes, the whole entire phone is a complete utter failure because the headphone jack is in the wrong spot. What was google thinking?

      • WCM3

        Did i say that? I have a S4 but I miss my galaxy nexus with the bottom headphone port. That’s probably about all i miss with that phone. I’m sure the Nexus 5 will still be popular, and didn’t mean the whole phone was a fail because of it.

        • alex drum

          i have found people really like to misquote things… especially recently on here. idk what this fad is but i hope is passes quickly.

    • Steve B

      Who still uses a headphone jack in 2013? kidding

      • Franklin Ramsey

        I mean, this is sort of a valid point now. Wires are so 2012. Bluetooth FTW!

        • Steve B

          I’m glad you’re on-board.

    • Droidzilla

      The headphone jack on the bottom is a plus for listening to wired headphones while keeping the device in your pants pocket. The headphone jack on the top is a plus for using wired headphones in almost any other situation. It’s not a clear-cut case of one being better than the other. I prefer it on top, you prefer it on bottom; either one gets the job done, though. [insert twss joke here]

      • acras

        I don’t understand why having the jack on the bottom is advantageous for headphone listening with the device in your pocket. My Gnex goes into my pocket equally well up or down, so did my Droid X with the headphone jack at the top. Obviously the jack pointed up on both with headphones in , but does it really matter which way the phone sits in your pocket? Maybe it’s a skinny jeans thing . Not attacking , your post was just the one I picked to ask the question.

  • TheWenger

    Hurry up!

  • NexusPhan69

    Headphone jack on the top. No!!!!!!!!!!

    • capecodcarl

      It’s where it is on all the phones I’ve ever used. My Nexus 7 2012 had it on the bottom for some reason which I always thought was stupid. It is awkward to use headphones when I’m holding it in portrait mode resting on my lap because the headphone cord sticks out and the entire device is at an angle. I wish they would have put the jack at the top. I know the excuse is that some people put their phones in their pocket upside-down, but you don’t put a tablet in your pocket. 😉

  • mgamerz

    The heck is that thing at the top of the back? It’s a weird notch… looks like a camera hole, but the camera is right next to it.

  • Tim Swann

    this only means something to me if it will work on verizon’s network, which is highly unlikely to be the case given how we all know how well the GNex worked out for us VZ customers.

  • Ian Smith

    when do nexus devices typically launch – October or November?

    • Steve B

      Announced in October, released in November

  • Mario

    yeap!

    • Miguel Angel Portela

      AND it looks like it has a better camera and a better overall build. I love my Nexus 4 but the camera is atrocious. God, I can’t wait.

      • Droidzilla

        I’m just fine with the camera on my Nexus 4. What’s bad about yours? Then again, I’ve never really been impressed with phone cameras outside of Nokia’s Zeiss units (sorry Sony and HTC).

        • Miguel Angel Portela

          It’s just very very bad in low light situations. Even a room that has natural light coming in though windows seems near pitch black or dim and noisy.

    • Rammstein

      Ron Paul’s face is getting annoying and if you’re going to use him at least utilize the gif version.

  • Justtyn Hutcheson

    Any rampant speculation regarding the anomalous black square on the back of the devie near the top?

    Also, the FCC reviewers really needs lessons on how to use a DSLR. I’d say the focus looked locked, but the front shot it focused on the camera reflection rather than the front of the device.

    Photographic woes aside, looks like a nice device. Wondering if they are going Snapdragon 600, or will sneak an 800 in. 600 would keep the costs down, but the 800 would make Nexus fans nut themselves with joygasms.

    • Steve B

      Everything is pointing at SD 800.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        Cool.

        Though I fear the crowing coming from the elitist Nexus phanbois we have around here. They are worse than Apple fans 🙁

        • Steve B

          I hear ya. Rumors were pointing to the 600 about a month ago but that was pure speculation based on pricing predictions. We now have semi-concrete documents that point to the 800.

        • NexusPhan69

          600 to 800 is a big jump. We want the 800 because of the always on listening with low power to enable features like the Moto X has. The better LTE integration. Support for miracast. Allows for more camera image processing. The list goes on and on.

          http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/800

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            I know all of that. And honestly, I’m having nerdgasms myself just thinking about it even though I know I could never have it (on Verizon). But I’m not happy when some owners get all high-and-mighty, holier than thou, Jesus phone about it. The same could be said for any fanboi.
            Could it be the most perfect device in existence? Maybe. But that doesn’t mean every other phone (which was labeled as “awesome” three days before) is complete and utter trash.

          • LionStone

            You can get the S800 with the G2 on VZW 🙂

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Dear God no. I would want to throw it in a wood chipper every time I saw that atrocious logo on the front.

            That, the ridiculous software, and glossy plastic finishes like the one they use destroy any awesomeness that it may have for me.

            No, the very closest to a Nexus on Verizon is an S-OFF/ROMed DNA or a dev edition Moto X (assuming it ever arrives). Note, Nexus as “AOSP software” not this device. This device is ridiculous.

          • LionStone

            Oh yea, now you’re talking…Dev. Ed. Moto X on VZW! Bring it!

    • TheWenger

      FCC docs from last week say 800.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Rampant speculation about the notch? I’m guessing it is a notch that allows the FCC to break the seal to take the back off.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        Indeed. Lame attempt at trollbait and hypebeasting. Apparently, I am way too focused on facts and realistic explanations for that to sprout. Oh well.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Well hey, if you want some real speculation, what about an IR Blaster? Maybe Stereo speaker output? The exit hole for the mini blow dart it holds?

          • ostensibly

            telescoping antenna?

          • Franklin Ramsey

            For when we are camping and the NSA needs to track us better?

    • acras

      It’s a lighter

  • Gasaraki

    2300mAh? Please… what crap.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Man the HTC ONE with Sense UI 5 lasts all day on that 2300 MAH. The Stock Version lasts even longer.

      • StuckOnVerizonForever

        Depends if you’re a power user.

        • joseph barrientos

          im a power user who works during the day, so it last me til about 10 pm, but for someone whos using it all day, maybe kitkat
          will increase battery?

          • Guest

            im a power user who watches porn during the day, so it last me til about 11am…

          • StuckOnVerizonForever

            Hopefully. I use it for everything. documents, texts, calls, video, camera, etc. This gnex is killing me. My Note 2 was able to last me all day on 3100.

          • TheDrunkenClam

            http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ETC-CPK008GSTA-Verizon-Battery-Charger/dp/B006GBU0SO/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1379008156&sr=8-11&keywords=verizon+galaxy+nexus+spare+battery+charger

            There you go..
            I don’t get why people bitch about battery life of Gnex when this is available. I have two fully charged spare batteries with me at all times.. I am never dependent on a charger. I am also never bitching about battery life on a tech website.
            This site kills me… The people who have phones with non removable batteries bitch that the battery is not big enough, or that it’s too big and has too much bulk. The people with removable batteries never utilize spare batteries and bitch about battery life nonstop.

          • RXG9

            I do this as well. I always care around a spare battery with me. My VZW GNex gets 3hrs on screen time (on avg) for each battery. So 6hrs screen time a day 🙂 I’m using two Anker 2200mAh batteries, and Carbon ROM.

          • Skittlez

            i usually get just over an hour of on-screen time with each battery. 1850mah

          • Skittlez

            because some of us don’t like to carry extra batteries. i have the spare battery charger so i can just swap when i need to, since i have a car charger and a charger at work, but we shouldn’t have to swap batteries. this is why we complain. The battery used to last all day, and thats how all phones should be.

    • beaumac

      I wonder if the screen is only 4.7″?

      • Definitely not. If you look at the original leaked image from the KitKat reveal, you can see it is significantly bigger than the 4.7″ 2012 Nexus 4.

        http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Screen-Shot-2013-09-03-at-3.49.16-PM.png

        Most people seem to think it is going to be 5″, but the size difference makes it look like it might even bee slightly larger than that!

        • NexusPhan69
          • NexusPhan69

            To assist.

          • She is also standing further away from the camera. Depth of field probably accounts for that ever so slight increase.

          • acras

            What are the odds that both of them are holding their phones at the same elevation and the exact same plane? Neither one of the phones is even slightly tilted . They must have the bubble level app.

          • NexusPhan69

            Or someone is just really awesome at using microsoft paint to correct the elevation and angle 🙂

          • acras

            rendering the comparison useless, how do you trust an altered photo ?

          • NexusPhan69

            Do it yourself then. It takes two seconds. It was only so they were in the same plane. The pictures prove it. The FCC documents prove it and it will again be proved when it’s released. Doesn’t matter that you’re not good with perspective and can’t tell immediately that they are the same size. Because they are.

          • acras

            I’m fine with perspective , and reading the information in the FCC filing that says the two are very close in size , matter of a couple mm. if memory serves. What I , and logic are not fine with is saying that an altered picture proves anything. I could photoshop Santa Claus riding a flaming unicorn into that pic , so using your logic that would prove both exist .
            The facts prove the devices are virtually the same size , your doctored picture proves you can use photoshop, that’s all it proves.

          • NexusPhan69

            Clearly you’re not fine with perspective because the picture (the original one from Google) shows as clearly as possible that they are the same size. The microsoft paint picture that I ‘photosohped’ in 20 seconds only has a line showing just how obvious it is. Because apparently there are people that are completely blind.

          • acras

            How do you come up with that conclusion? Because I say that an altered picture can not prove anything, that means I don’t understand perspective? Hell , you don’t even understand basic math, you put ” a line to show how obvious it is” ? So who slipped that other line in there ? Are those parallel lines showing how the two devices are identical in size? Not to someone who is paying attention, because the woman has her phone tilted down several degrees more than the man, which would give the APPEARANCE that the N4 was in fact wider than the new device due to your lines.
            You know what really proves that the N4 and the D820 are the same size? The documentation that was in the FCC filing . Your picture proves only that you can use paint ,and try to pass fiction off as “proof”. Just because you manipulated the image in a way that corresponds to the facts does not make it proof

          • acras

            Yea, I’m an idiot, because doctored pics are ALWAYS used to prove things. Why would you just list the published sizes of the two devices ,131.9 mm x 68.2 mm for the D820 , 133.9 x 68.7 mm for the N4 , when you can be our hero that manipulates pictures then assumes that he smarter than everyone else ? Have someone read this to you so hopefully you understand it , I knew the devices were virtually the same size before your artwork , the ” original” picture ( a screenshot from a forum member not from Google BTW) does on initial appearance give the impression that the D820 is larger, but even without all your help ( moving cameras to level them , adding a line , or two lines , you can’t keep track , how can we?) most of us understood it was a matter of perspective . I never said the D820 was anything but virtually the same size as the N4 , I said your picture was not “proof”. Since you have your panties in a bunch , let me make it up to you . here’s some “proof” that should make you happy . now you have something else to look forward to , maybe Santa will bring you a D820 .

          • Guest

            I’m not even going to read your comment because I’m sure it’s completely illogical. How can you be so asinine? Do you even read your comments? Judging by my up-votes for that “altered” photo, I am in the right and it just makes you sound childish. Looking through your other comments you have nothing of any value to contribute to this site, ever. Congrats. You’re the first person I’ve ever blocked on Disqus. Tool.

        • Butters619

          Well the leaked FCC docs said 4.96″

          As for this picture, it’s not a fair comparison. The man is clearly much closer to the camera so it could just be an optical illusion.

          Plus, if the FCC docs are right, the new Nexus is actually smaller than the Nexus 4 by 2 mm in length and 1/2mm in width.

          • NexusPhan69

            That’s why my lines follow the Nexus 5’s edges. They are not parallel to the ground. That’s what perspective is. I’m not saying it won’t be 5″, I’m just saying the phone sizes are very, very similar. The FCC documents back me up for similar dimensions to the Nexus 4.

          • Butters619

            I was mostly replying to the reader who hinted at it being larger than 5″. The phone is essentially the exact same size as the N4. I just don’t see them cramming much more display in there.

          • NexusPhan69

            Ah, I see now. We were exactly on the same page then. I thought you were saying my picture with the lines was not a fair picture. Sorry.

          • Butters619

            Yeah. I was trying to say what you were able to show.

          • LoganLopez

            Yes, but your picture assumes they are right next to each other and that the phones are at the same angle (The Nexus 4 looks like it is looking more towards the ground than the New Nexus) which i don’t believe they are in either case. If you blew up the picture and just included the phones, it would probably show a bigger difference in size because of this.

          • Butters619

            1) it’s not my picture. You replied to the wrong person.

            2) If the Nexus 4 is tilted to the ground, that would actually means it is LARGER than it appears, which would make it bigger than the new Nexus.

            3) Again, if the FCC doc is right, the new Nexus is essentially the same size as the N4.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Actually the picture assumes one person is in the foreground and one is in the background on the same inclined plane. Since they are both standing on Earth and the phones appear to be held at the same level, with one person in the foreground and one further away from the person taking the picture (IE: Background) the lines of perception drawn are accurate. The Fact the FCC documents state they will be very close in size should have made this fact easily seen, but since people are still arguing it, the picture is making the correct assumptions for validity.

          • palomosan

            Yeah but the bezel is actually smaller than the N4 so the screen is probably almost 5in.

          • Butters619

            That is exactly what I was suggesting. My reply was to the person hinting that it would be larger than a 5″ display.

          • palomosan

            I know, that’s also the point that I’m making.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Probably almost? As in… 4.96 inches? You mean, like it states in the FCC document!

          • mustbepbs

            There’s a picture up top with a ruler, can’t anyone make use of that?

          • Butters619

            Angle is pretty bad.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Why would you need the Ruler? The size is listed in the FCC documents.

          • joejoe5709

            Exactly. Imagine an N4 with a slightly larger screen.

    • Robert Macri

      Why do I keep seeing this? Just because the G2 is 3000? 2300 is the average size for most android phones these days.

      • Ryan Stewart

        And its bigger than the N4s. Mine does just fine.

        Who knows, screen enhancements and processor enhancements have been coming along and battery life has continually improved.

      • batterysrus

        Because some of us have used a phone where you really (no seriously Mr. HTC ONE) NEVER, no matter how much you use it, have to worry about finding a charger ALL day. MAXX…

      • Agreed. and there is nothing pointing towards screen resolution yet. could just be 720p instead of 1080p like the G2. and we all know how much of a battery sucker the 1080 is in comparison to 720.

        • LionStone

          How much more does a 1080p screen use than a 720p?

    • Dale

      The iPhone has a tiny battery and has great battery life. Maybe KitKat’s battery life is significantly better. KitKat paired with an S800 could very well stretch 2300mAH a long ways.

      • Franklin Ramsey

        Don’t we always speculate that battery life will be much better with the next version of Android? I remember these statements coming all the way back from 2.3. Yes, it gives slightly better battery life sometimes when you bump up an OS level, but not usually significantly. I wish to be proven wrong from KitKat, but I also just wish they would throw a 3000 mAH battery in them and call it a day.

        • Dale

          Lol I was thinking the same exact thing after I posted that comment. I have a GNex currently so I am going to be thrilled with the battery life on whatever my next phone is! 🙂

          • joejoe5709

            This. I mean as long as it can hang with the Droid Ultra and the HTC One, I’ll be fine. I’m so used to being near a charger these days anyway. Replaceable battery would be nice though. That’s the only thing that’s saved my GNex. I’m on my third battery.

          • SA_NYC

            I also was thinking exactly the same: blah blah blah, next Android version will be way better for battery life… Nothing fixed the chronic problem for me until I lost my beloved day-long GNex a couple of months ago and picked up a Note 2. Poof, no more battery problems! It’s truly amazing. I often used to carry TWO spares with my GNex; with the Note 2 I bought a spare and have used it exactly zero times. So yes, you’ll love whatever you go to next.

          • Skittlez

            dude, i used to get awesome battery life with the Gnex. 17-20 hours with 1850mah, and then…..4.2 happened. haven’t had good battery since. the life span of the Gnex was done. Still run’s like a champ though on 4.3, just crap battery life.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            I just finally went out and got a hyperion 3500mAH battery for my Gnex. Lasts about a day and a half with normal usage. Also adds a nice heft and thickness to it.

          • Skittlez

            lol tell me about it, i think i just got 5 hours on 1 charge. i’m lucky if i can get 10 hours, not counting the time i’m asleep

      • Butters619

        I wouldn’t say the iPhone gets “great battery life”. I own a One X. My GF owns an iPhone 5. When we go to Disneyland, both of our phones die before we make it back to the car. And actually, in the afternoon we both have to consciously cut back on using our phones in line so the batteries won’t die. Don’t get me wrong, it’s really good for the size battery it has, but it’s not great.

        • GentlemanScholar

          You and your girlfriend go to Disneyland with your kids? Or do adults go to Disneyland by themselves? Serious question as I’ve never been to Disneyland or Disney World.

          • Butters619

            No kids. I’m 24. She’s 22. We bought annual passes in college. Went regularly until just recently. No longer have passes.

        • EdubE24

          I just got rid of my S4 and went back to my iP5. There is a difference in the battery life. Stand by time seems to be the worst for my Android phones. But if I’m pounding on either phone during the day, then yes the battery life seemed to be a little more even. Except game play, the iPhone battery seems to handle it a bit better! And I never worry about the screen brightness with the iPhone, compared to the S4, which I would leave at around 70 percent to help out.

          • Butters619

            Samsung phones seem to have the work performance to battery size of any Android phones. Again, my One X does great in standby.

      • StuckOnVerizonForever

        Lol because iPhones are simple.

      • Liderc

        Everyone I know that has the 5 says it has terrible battery life.

        • cheese

          Then they don’t know how to use their iPhone 5. My wife is using her iPhone 5, power user might I add. It lasts her for a day and a half after heavy usage. Lots of gaming too might I add, like Candy Crush, constant instagram/facebook/pinterest/web. The iPhone 5 has good battery life.

          Personally I’m on the VZW Gnex, anxiously awaiting for the Nexus 5 arrival, and switching from Verizon to T-Mobile.

        • LionStone

          Yep, my buddy had to buy a Mophie battery case and now you can’t even tell what kind of phone it is 🙂

    • Pakmann2k

      I dont think that is the final battery. That battery does not seem to fit in the bay all that well. There is clearly too much space in there. Thinking this is just something they put in there to send to the FCC.

    • Skittlez

      my nexus 4 with 2100mah would last me over a day with over 3 hours of on-screen time

  • Vikinglifeguard

    Love it.

    But what is on the top of the back by the headphone jack? The little rectangle there.

    • Steve B

      Looks like a notch for the FCC to be able to pry the back off. This is most definitely pre-release.

    • ChrisI

      That’s the reflection of the camera lens the picture is being taken with.

  • Greg Morgan

    I love the new Nexus 7 look and feel and since this is similar looking, i like it.

  • calum wilper

    better looking than the G2

  • Raj Bhatt

    It’s strange because we know that the VS980 is the Verizon G2, but suddenly WITHIN the FCC filing for the VS980 there are these random Nexus images. They are listed as a “Class II permissive change” but in the same section, there is a VZW manual for the G2 as well as pics of “test setup” showing the buttons on the back center of the device.

    • It’s a filing for the G2, with the wrong images posted, that’s it. Don’t look at this as being a chance that Verizon gets the Nexus. 😛

      Also, I have the Verizon G2 in hand and it looks nothing like this, I promise. 🙂

      • Franklin Ramsey

        I think what they are hopeful for is that a permissive change happens with the filing for the d820 and they decide to add an LTE band for a Big Red Carrier.

      • Raj Bhatt

        Agreed, but in the same section as these Nexus pics, if you click the “Test Setup” pics you’ll see the VZW G2 that you showed us yesterday.

        I think you’re right, they accidentally put the wrong pics in this G2 filing.

      • MikeCiggy

        dream killer…

    • Steve B

      Google smokescreen? Are they secretly trying to release a Verizon Nexus?

      • Ian Smith

        why would they even bother?

        • Steve B

          I was kidding. Not a chance in hell Verizon gets a Nexus this year.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Well, there is a chance in Hell. The Devil obviously has a deal struck with Verizon. Here on Earth though, I don’t see this happening.

  • TheRobotCow

    Looks pretty good.

  • Ron_Swanson

    Why so much wasted space on the front of the device?

    • Steve B

      Uh oh, don’t get Tim242 started…

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      /s?

    • Skittlez

      it’s the same amount as the G2. it just doesn’t look like it because of the LG logo on the front of the G2

  • Jarred Sutherland

    I would love to pick one of these up when released. While I like my GS4, having a full Nexus device again would be great.

  • Techneval

    Talk about a generic design. I think I like it (that may just be because it’s a nexus though)

  • Ej McCarty

    This obviously means nexus 5 on Verizon!!! Haha. Guess my moto x is going back 😛

    • Steve B

      In your dreams

      • Ej McCarty

        Calm down. It was a joke bro.

  • sean.yesmunt

    Removable back?

    • Steve B

      No

      • sean.yesmunt

        In the second picture it sure looks like it.

        • Steve B

          The final picture suggests otherwise. It appears that the back is notched at the top so the FCC could pry the back off of an otherwise sealed device? Maybe, not sure.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          I don’t know where you are seeing that, but the FCC tears phones apart. The shot where the back is off doesn’t mean it has a removable back, just that the FCC opened the phone.

    • Lucas Johnson

      It does seem so. Which would almost certainly mean it’s not a nexus. Unless Google had a change of heart…

    • mgamerz

      Doubtful. The way the battery is strapped in makes it looks like it won’t. The pins on the back plate are typical LG, I have one with a removable back and it has those pins. The back has to be off so you can stuff the stuff inside, then I assume its sealed shut.

    • The article states this is common so the FCC can see the contents, and as this is obviously not a finished chassis the chances of it having a removable back are slim.

  • DanP

    A little too much bottom bezel I think.

    • Dale

      Let’s hope that is space for some kind of new sensor. I imagine it is space well used…

      • DanP

        I hope it is. It seems bigger than the nexus 4, or my galaxy nexus.

        the galaxy s4 uses the WHOLE device, thats what I like to see, no un-used space.

      • TheWenger

        Invisible fingerprint scanner!

    • Rob Delaney

      LED indicator. But you are right, even for that, a little too much bottom bezel

      • Carlos Lopez

        Maybe but if you look closely it looks like the led is centered in the top bezel

        • zurginator

          That’s probably the camera – the LED of Nexus devices isn’t visible unless it’s on.

          • Carlos Lopez

            I thought that too but the camera is on the left side of the bezel

          • zurginator

            Indeed – after consulting the G2 (remove the logo and you have this), it needs to be the speaker… But it seems to be circular, and that’s kinda strange.

    • Top bezel looks smaller than the current Nexus 4, bottom bezel looks about the same. While I don’t utilize it often, it is handy when holding the phone in landscape.

    • James_75

      That’s for the capacitive buttons….. I kid, I kid… 🙂

    • NexusPhan69

      I know Kellex pointed out that the FCC has to dig under the hood on new phones but, that back has clips looking very similar to the Galaxy Nexus. No chance right?

      • Franklin Ramsey

        Most electronic devices have those little clips to help hold a plate in place. Sadly, it doesn’t make it removable. I hope it does, but I won’t count on it.

        • NexusPhan69

          Ya. I realized that’s probably why the notch on top is there. Because that’s the only way to get the back off otherwise. Oh well. It’s clearly an integrated battery anyway so why even bother with a removable back.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Didn’t mean to rain on the parade. I wish it had a removable back/battery too.

          • NexusPhan69

            My parade just got some sun. I thought it was a lot of bezel but check this out. It makes the Nexus 4 seems like like it has a tiny screen and massive bezel. Yes!!!

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Honestly, it looks like it has about as much bezel as the gnex.

          • NexusPhan69

            Sarcasm?

          • GentlemanScholar

            The bottom bezel on the gnex is pretty small, but that top bezel…

          • NexusPhan69

            And the sides too. The bezel on the sides of the new Nexus are almost non-existent.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Not really, I was looking at my Gnex here on the desk and it doesn’t look like it has near as much bezel as that photo says it does… I guess old age is starting to throw my perception off.

          • NexusPhan69

            I think it’s because the galaxy nexus small bezels were amazing 2 years ago when it was released. And that new phones like the moto x and g2 we see in pictures every day but don’t realize just how tiny they are in your hand. I love technology.

          • Elliot Kotis

            HOLY CRAP! It is bezelless compared to the N4, how about the Moto X?
            v that is a mock up.

        • jamdev12

          I have my Nexus 7 2012 screen break recently. Either replace the screen assembly myself, choose to take it some where to get it fixed, or throw it away and buy a 2013 model. I chose to do the work myself and in less than 30 minutes I had a new screen working without issues on my Nexus. Bottom line is, if you need to replace any of these components on these devices they are pretty darn easy. What’s even better is that you have people on YouTube posting videos of step by step instructions of how to do it right and safely without damaging your device. So sure, bring on the non removable battery. When it no longer holds a charge I’ll buy one on eBay and install it myself in 15 minutes.

      • Brian Menius

        Noticed that as well…

        Let’s hope that this is a sign that LG will be “permanently” attaching a removable back to the phone. Obviously that design has no screws holding it onto the phone, so if it’s really just tabs and glue, we should be able to employ the tour de force and remove the back to replace the battery. Sure, you’ll break the back, but who cares- I’m sure replacement backs will be plentiful eventually.

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      Just not symmetrical, so the bottom appears larger. It is probably not any larger than the Nexus 4 at the bottom.

  • litobirdy

    blah dammit, i’m so used to charger and heapdphone port on same side

  • Guest

    Here’s the internal photos of the device: https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2041382

    • Mort

      “You are not authorized to access this page.”

      • zurginator

        Just look at whatever gets published on the G2 – this will use the exact same Motherboard, Layout, etc. You can tell just by looking at the front of both devices – same proportions, etc. Also the N4 had the same internal components as the Optimus G.

  • viewthis66

    too much chin for not having physical buttons? weird…

    • Liderc

      Have to have some chin, as your thumb naturally rests a bit higher than where the bottom of the device rests in hand.

      • viewthis66

        some chin, yes, but that’s not my point. to me, why not make it the same size as the forehead (not sure what to call the top part, seemed appropriate)?

        • zurginator

          Because they had additional components to slide in (in this case the rear speaker is probably the limiting factor).

  • Steve B

    Beautiful

    • zurginator

      Heh, I don’t like the rear camera myself – it wouldn’t be too bad, but the size of the LED vs the size of the ring just makes it look comical.

      • Steve B

        It’s also not final hardware.

        • zurginator

          That seems to be an integral part of the design, I’m willing to bet $100 it won’t change (would cover my replacement N4 😛 ).

          • Steve B

            You’re probably right. It’s a buy for me either way so it doesn’t really matter.

      • Elliot Kotis

        Compared to the 1020, Note 3 and Z1?

        • zurginator

          1) It’s absurdly massive compared to the Note 3 and Z1.
          2) The 1020 doesn’t really count because the LED is inside the big circle (and it’s just generally a better design, if a bit awkward).
          3) It would help if the camera was centered like the 2 listed (automatically makes it more pleasing).
          4) Both the Note 3 and the 1020 have an additional material surrounding both the LED and the Camera, working to pass both off as a single component – once again proper design work.