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LG-D820: Nexus 5 or Just Another G2 Variant?

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Last week, we caught a glimpse of what we believe to be the next Nexus device from Google, made by LG. During an unveiling of the Kit Kat statue, a Googler was caught using his unannounced Nexus phone to snap a photo of the statue happenings. As you can imagine, word and image proof quickly spread as Google buried the video, with the world eventually deciding that this was the “Nexus 5.” While the name is by no means official, this was indeed an unannounced Nexus phone used by a Googler, and that’s at least something to talk about.

Then days later, an LG device surfaced at the FCC under the model number LG-D820, with all sorts of signs that this could be the device we saw in the Kit Kat video. And then this morning, famed Twitter leaker @evleaks posted a couple of notes claiming that he believes the LG-D820 is nothing more than a CDMA variant of the LG G2, not a new Nexus. I’m not sure I’m ready to buy into his story, but he has been on-point enough in his history to at least be heard. 

So Evan showed a picture this morning of a listing for a device under the model number LG-D821 which does indeed look to be a G2 variant. Since the model number is so close to the D820 we believe to be the new Nexus, he’s sort of jumping to the conclusion here that 820 to 821 would likely be a similar device. It does seem a bit odd that LG would slot in the new Nexus as the 820 and then another G2 variant as the 821. His listing also shows that the device runs Android 4.2.2, and has matching dimensions to the other G2, which is the D802.

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But I’m still a believer in the D820 being the next Nexus, and here is why. First, we laid out evidence already here, which you should definitely read, but there are some specific details here that still have me on #teamnexus, starting with the codename.

We were told months ago (at least 3 months ago) by an incredibly reliable source that the codename for one of the new Nexus phones would be “hammerhead.” The LG-D820 was spotted at the FCC last week running an unreleased version of AOSP Android (labeled KeyLimePie) with the name “hammerhead” attached to it. That would be too odd of a coincidence for this not to be the Nexus device that our sources tipped us off to.

Beyond the codename, the dimensions of the D820 paint the picture of a slightly smaller device (131.9X68.2mm) than the G2, with a smaller 4.96″ display. The G2 (as seen in the photo above) has dimensions of 138.5×70.9 with a 5.2″ display. The camera housing on the D820 also matches up to the phone held by the Googler, which is a top left placement, when the G2 (in all variants) has a centered camera with flash and terribly placed volume and power/lock buttons. Why would LG move the camera and top design choice (button placement) of the G2 on one single variant known as the D820? Seems odd.

So, what do you think? Is the D820 the new Nexus or just a G2 variant? I think I’m still leaning heavily towards new Nexus at this point.

Via:  @evleaks [2]

  • Kenny Strawn

    There’s a definite Nexus code name pattern here: First Mako (Nexus 4), then Hammerhead… Gee, is Great White next? Lololololololololololol

  • Epic Tea

    Will they really have a CDMA option???? That would be awesome because I was going to dump sprint sell my GS4 go prepaid and get the N5, just purchased the N7 2013, best purchase ever, this will save me canceling My contract. Fingers Crossed.

  • gtcodave

    i actually hope that this is not the new nexus. I was hoping for something a little more ‘bespoke’ than a slightly different phone which already exists.

    would like to see something as beautiful in design as the nexus 4 but with hardware specs and battery life to match the iPhone.

  • Jeremy Gross

    will it have 64 gb? and verizon?

  • newsjunkieintl

    EVLEAKS HAS NOW RETRACTED HIS STUPID STATEMENT:

    https://twitter.com/evleaks/statuses/377793294253568000

    “Happy to say it looks like I was wrong about the LG D820/D821..”

  • Nicholas

    Will this be available for verizon?

    • http://dnsrot.com/ J-Nu

      Probably not, because Verizon is known to botch Nexus devices with all their bloatware that no one really uses.

  • http://twitter.com/jdrch jdrch

    Not coming to VZW = irrelevant

  • recoveringlefty

    Sprint getting G2 with SVLTE and VoLTE? Hence the delay in release?

  • newsjunkieintl

    EVLEAKS is an idiot who apparently can’t read FCC documents even when sober. The LG-D820 waltzed into the FCC in August with firmware “hammerhead” “keylimepie”, pentaband HSPA+ and multiple LTE bands — and he says it’s a CDMA-only G2 variant?

    And when talking about the LG-D820, he shows an LG-D821 graphic. Since he’s wrong about the LG-D820 (who do you believe, the FCC radio tests or him?), then I don’t trust what he says about the specs of the LG-D821 either.

    EVLEAKS was wrong on GS4 and Note 3 rendition, was wrong on Nexus 4. and now he’s wrong about the Nexus 5. Why does anyone even listen to him?

  • TechyTee

    A comparison of the dimensions of mysterious Nexus 5 and Nexus 4 shown in Android KitKat statue unveiling video using video snaps. That new Nexus is bigger than the Nexus 4.

  • sarcasmman

    well seeing as it says nexus on the back im gonna say nexus 5 lol

  • Jeremy Thomas Brooks

    Is the CDMA band that Sprint uses?

  • Patrick Bateman

    I would literally suck someone off for a Verizon Nexus…

  • Rodeojones000

    If by some miracle this ended up as a Verizon Nexus 5 I’ll be buying four of them on launch day. No hesitation. Alas, I will not be holding my breath.

    • Larizard

      yea, don’t do that.

      or you’ll turn blue.

  • Morten Lund

    D820 could be a test mule for the D821 testing radios and software. Just because it goes though the FCC doesn’t mean that it will be a consumer device.

  • Noel

    I will say the LG-D820 is no doubt the next Nexus…u can take that to the bank and cash it. All the evidence from the FCC report point to that and the location of the rear cam on the back cover matches the device on the KitKat video. The D821 from the dimensions listed is clearly a variant of the G2 with Verizon bands. As good as this @evleaks guy is…he probably got the D820 and D821 mixed up. So WHY will the D820 as a Verizon variant of the G2 have pentaband GSM HSPA+ and a myraid of LTE bands that support Tmobile, Att, and Sprint but not those of Verizon???

    I am pleased that the new Nexus even though coming w/a 5″ screen will be very compact, even less tall than the N4 at 133.9mm. But i am still concerned about the 2300mAh…i was hoping it will be close or similar to that of the G2 at 3000mAh or the Korean variant of the G2 with 2600+mAh removable battery. I say this cuz i can’t wait to switch devices..the battery on my N4 is getting worst. Recently it occasionally rapidly drains in 3 to 4 hrs and the back gets very hot. Might be a defect of some sort cuz it did this abt 4 months ago.

  • newsjunkieintl

    EVLEAKS was drunk when he tweeted that. He said the LG-D820 was CDMA only when the FCC specs show it’s pentaband HSPA+, multiple LTE bands, and Sprint CDMA. He’s either stupid or thinks we are. :)

    And if he’s wrong about the LG-D820 which went through the FCC so we have PROOF he’s an idiot, then I also do not trust his specs on the LG-0D821 which is probably the Verizon variant of the Nexus 5.

  • Akashshr

    It really is a G2 variant!

  • Anthony Bottari

    I honestly don’t know why Verizon would not want this phone if it’s a matter of their decision to carry it or not. I mean they missed out on the Nexus4 and the sales it generated. Sure the GNEX i have is great but it’s not a true nexus experience..I think I even remember other phones getting updates before me..which is ass backwards.. I think if this doesn’t come to VZW I’ll just get the motoX as much as I’m on the fence with it.

    • Skittlez

      i don’t think any other phone got an update before the Gnex though. i remember the Gnex getting it 6 weeks after the GSM release, and skipped 4.1.2.

      Either way, i just rooted and updated myself. had 4.3 since the first day

      • Anthony Bottari

        Good to know..

    • John Kiser

      Google decided not to do verizon variants for the Nexus phones because of how Verizon treated the galaxy nexus sadly… All verizon has to do is change the policy on updates and bundled crap and allow the full experience (google wallet etc) and thigns would be fine…

  • StankyChikin

    I’ll just leave this here..

    @evleaks is wrong.

  • NexusFive

    @evleaks must be wrong. The device dimensions do NOT match up with the FCC paperwork. That, the fact that it already has Sprint bands and about 50 other reasons show this isn’t a variant. Also, why the horizontal Nexus logo?

  • jh123416

    I have 1% of hope that Verizon gets a Nexus. My GNex ain’t done yet!

  • Jeremy Thomas Brooks

    Did the FCC device we believe to be the nexus 5 compatible with Sprints network?

  • Chris Taylor

    Go on…

  • Shadowstare

    If a Nexus device is announced or sufficiently rumored on Verizon, that WILL be my next phone. HTC, Samsung or LG will have one heck of a time to get me away from a Nexus device on Verizon.

  • Albert

    What really gets me is the catch phrase they are throwing with KitKat, making an amazing experience available to everybody, or something like that. Its interesting to make a claim such as that yet exclude the (only) vanilla kitkat flavor device from that carrier. We are still a few weeks away from October. Is it not possible a Verizon Nexus is still on its way. Just like with the moto x, we saw the different carriers devices at different times. Just a thought.

    • http://www.nclf.net/ Goldman60

      The issue with the tagline is Verizon makes the decision regarding what devices end up on its network, not Google.

    • joejoe5709

      Don’t read too much into it at this point. It’s just a bunch of incredibly vague marketing speak for us to chew on while we wait. When we finally see what they meant, it might be so minor it might not even warrant a footnote. in other words, just because Verizon may or may not get left out it doesn’t mean they went back on their word. For all we know, an Android experience for everyone might mean an expansion of Google Now or a refining of the UI or something else like that.

  • joejoe5709

    No idea, but my first thought was Verizon Nexus5. But this could just be another version of the Nexus5 like a lower GB model or something.

    • funkilla

      Different memory capacities doesn’t negate a new model number though.

  • Jonathan Ly

    Yeah, too bad that this will be another year of Verizon getting shafted. The leak could be the next Nexus, but the current info definitely points to Verizon not getting the device, unless there will be a future announcement about it.

    • John Kiser

      Not like it’s not verizon’s own fault or anything you know :-P What with how they treated the galaxy nexus and all that

  • interstellarmind

    Perhaps one of them is a Verizon only (CDMA) nexus 5? And the other the GSM? (Like with Galaxy Nexus)

    • funkilla

      Except the Gnex wasn’t Verizon Only CDMA. It was released on Sprint too.

  • Jared Nichols

    I hope and believe it is the N5, otherwise known as my next phone

  • acras

    Wasn’t all the gossip on the”mystery device” pointing to the radios that wouldn’t support Verizon? It’d be a little strange for the D820 to be a CDMA variant of the G2 with full GSM support and minimal CDMA support.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Well it could be the Sprint version.

      • Skittlez

        the version with all of the GSM radios also had sprint radios. there could be a separate verizon model. i’m not calling it off until the announcement

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Um, I was making the comment towards his saying it would be strange for the D820 to be a variant of the G2 with full GSM support and minimal CDMA support as the D802 didn’t have CDMA support. I doubt it is a G2 variant as the battery, screen, and size are different, but the D820 could technically be a Sprint Variant of the G2.

          • acras

            I still don’t see why they would waste the money and materials to put GSM capabilities into a CDMA only device to make it a sprint variant. Honestly ,variant is the wrong word to use when comparing it to the g2 . Unless by “variant” they mean “made by the same company” , but then lets say it’s a “variant” of the Chocolate.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Um, most CDMA phones come with GSM abilities anymore so you can use them when you travel abroad.

          • acras

            Um , that is becoming more common , but why then wouldn’t they just make one device with the radios listed for the D820 , which is able to work on Tmo, ATT and sprint , instead of making one just for GSM , then this alleged G2 variant for sprint? Is sprint a big enough player to say ” we don’t like what you’ve done with the G2 , you need to totally redesign it” ? Theres no support for Verizons network as it currently stands , but it can run on sprint , so I assume that means sprint isn’t as tight about letting devices run on their network.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Well the d802 which is the model number for the G2 doesn’t have any CDMA radios in it, but the d821 which appears to be the CDMA g2 has the same gsm radios as the d802, but also has the CDMA radios. Why do they do it? Who knows, but they do it, so no telling what the d820 is. Considering the nexus 4 has a model number of d720 (I think?) I would say the d820 is probably a new nexus, but it could be a variant.

  • Radgatt

    How often is evleaks wrong?

  • michael bourgoin

    Does Google take tests of different manufacturers and models this far into the process? What i am saying, is it possible that they have several different Nexus devices that they are testing and the one that we saw in the KitKat vid was just one of them? I mean i personally think that this would be too late to be testing different devices, but i dont know. Anyone have any better info on that?

  • Godzilla

    If it’s not the Nexus 5 then how do were explain the LG phone pictured last week? Makes no sense.

  • staticx57

    Please make the D821 a verizon Nexus

    • Anon

      It should be generally accepted already that Nexus devices on Verizon will not happen.

      • Adrynalyne

        Except that there was a CDMA Nexus One that was planned, and canned.
        Then the Galaxy Nexus that made it to the masses.
        History has shown that Verizon changes their minds.
        Will they this time? Probably not.

        • Steve B

          CDMA Nexus One became the HTC Incredible. Verizon passed on it because their Droid branding was incredibly hot at the time.

          • Adrynalyne

            They passed for the Incredible yes, but the CDMA Nexus One didn’t become the Incredible. The device was actually built for testing and passed through the FCC before being cancelled.

          • TylerCameron

            And the Droid Incredible had a drastically better camera.

        • joejoe5709

          True. Verizon rumors are historically sketchy. We really have no idea what’s happening until the last second.

      • Donovan

        nooo stop it, say it aint so!!! yeah but considering your on the “best” cell provider you have to at least be optimistic. But your prob right, we wont see another nexus until they figure out a way to stiff arm all the customers that still have unlimited data. Verizon cannot allow people to buy a top of the line phone for $299-$399 off contract, That would prolong unlimited users for another couple years right there, like me. :)

  • Don Crist

    New Nexus or not …rest assured it wont be on Verizon.

    • sk8rat

      Except the G2 is coming to verizon…

      • Donovan

        which would make sense on why the variant wouldn’t be..

  • Guy Pierce

    So if it’s just a CDMA version of the LG G2 then why does it have “nexus” plastered on the back?

    • GentlemanScholar

      The D820 filed with the FCC didn’t have “Nexus” plastered on the back. The picture that Kellen included with this post is likely a mock-up of the phone the Googler was holding in the infamous KitKat Nexus5gate video.

      • Guy Pierce

        Light Bulb (Gru voice)!

      • staticx57

        Because the FCC picture is the inside of the device

  • GentlemanScholar

    So they moved the camera and reduced the battery on the CDMA variant? Not sure that makes much sense.

    • michael arazan

      Makes me wonder how many Nexus Prototypes are floating around Google that employees are testing that will never see production

  • Steve B

    Definitely Nexus.

  • Bryan Gaynor

    The D820 may not be the next Nexus (though all signs are pointing to it), but it most certainly is not a G2 variant. All the specifications and images in the FCC documentation make that all but incontrivertible.

    The D820 is almost certainly something entirely different. Now we have to wonder — WTF is up with LG’s model numbering convention that D820 and D821 are wildly different devices? smh

    • snowblind64

      All signs point to Nexus.

      I don’t know how LG comes up with their model numbers either. The Optimus G was E970 and that’s a much different device than the Nexus 4 (E960). Then I start to wonder why last years models have seemingly higher model numbers than this years devices.

      TL;DR

      LG’s model numbering system doesn’t always make sense.

  • NexusPhan69

    The biggest factor telling me it’s not a G2 variant is the battery. Why reduce the battery so much? It’s to save money on the Nexus line because this is the Nexus 5.

  • Joseph A. Yager

    I’ve seen other reviews where they eventually liked the G2 key placement – I take it it’s not happening for you, Kellen?

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      I tried all weekend to get used to it and it constantly drove me nuts. I just don’t pick my phone up with a finger on the back. I grab it with thumb and fingers on the sides.

      • Weber

        It’s that much different from the Moto X? My finger automatically goes to that dimple now, like a security blanket.

      • Gasaraki

        That’s why I hate the power button on the sides of my GNex. I always hit it. I think I would love the G2 button placements.

    • NexusPhan69

      With the tap to wake, the beauty of that amazingly thin bezel would be worth it to me.

      • Joseph A. Yager

        I agree – I’ll definitely be checking it out once it has made it to the stores.

  • Eric Peterson

    I really hoped not. I just do not understand the appeal of such huge devices. The Moto X has a big screen, but in such a tiny body, that is what I am looking for.

    Android is maturing and suddenly the need to root and flash ROMs is dwindling (for me at least). The little additions that Moto/Google added to the Moto X is perfect in my opinion and the customization is what truly makes it shine. I really wanted the next Nexus to learn from this and adapt some of the qualities. Though that is probably wishful thinking, the Nexus is a developer device is was never meant to get into the hands of the masses like the S4 (again, in my opinion). But I still maintain that bigger != better.

    • Butters619

      Why not just buy a Moto X then? If the size is right and the software additions are right, then it seems that is probably the right choice.

    • Tim242

      The Moto X may be for you, but it isn’t a big screen. With on screen buttons, your screen size is only about 4.3″.

      • wolfedude88

        actually more like 4.5

        • Tim242

          I just enabled on screen buttons on my S4. They take up slightly over a third of an inch. So, it would be 4.4″ max.

      • Skittlez

        so when you watch your youtube videos, it’s not a 4.7 inch screen?

        • Tim242

          Yep. But what about the other 99% of the time?

          • Skittlez

            so what you’re saying is, it’s still a 4.7 inch screen?

          • Tim242

            Not at all. If it is only full screen in 2 or 3 apps, I consider it the size that it is 99% of the time. Go to your browser and see how much screen you have for viewing the content. If that space were taken up by an ad, except for watching YouTube, you’d have your pitchfork out.

  • decidedtochangename

    Must be the CDMA Verizon version of the Nexus 5.
    hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha

    • Eric Peterson

      Damnit, right in the feels haha. 12/29 TMobile here I come!

      • GentlemanScholar

        You didn’t get your GNex the first day it was released?

        • CompCrash

          I got mine the first day of release on Verizon, I’m switching to T-Mobile as soon as the Nexus 5 comes out.

          • GentlemanScholar

            Possibly doing the same. Hopefully the iPhone 5S will be out on T-Mobile at that time so I can get that for the tech-savy-less Mrs. and the Nexus 5 for myself. If no Nexus 5 by 12/15, then Moto X it is. Just wish the screen and processor on the Moto X were a little higher spec’d (even though not necessarily noticeable).

          • CompCrash

            Moto X is my second choice depending on the actual Nexus 5 specs and price.

          • ApplesNAndroids

            The Moto X is amazing. It is my favorite Android phone to date. Most recently I’ve used the Galaxy Note 2, the GS4 and the HTC One. Brings me back to my GNex days but in a much better package.

          • tvBilly

            You must not love your wife.

          • Dorian Brooks

            Sometimes you just have to let the ones you love fail, & be there for them when they see the light.

            My GF also won’t give up her iPhone4S.

      • Seth Merritt

        12/15 or GTFO

        • athorax

          Samesies!

      • Bill Anderson

        Same here! 12/16 for me…

    • Weber
    • Tim242

      The FCC device has Sprint CDMA bands.

    • EC8CH

      not funny bro… not funny.

    • FourString

      Lol, in the photo, it clearly reads “nexus” on the back (how come no blogs mention this obvious tidbit?), so the report that this is merely a G2 variant seems to be complete bollocks

      • sk8rat

        no pictures came with the info and the pic on her is just what they think it looks like based on the leak

        • FourString

          lol no, check the other reports of the leak via the kitkat promotional vid with the google worker. evleaks backtracked on his analysis, too.

  • ReturnOfTheMack

    I understand the reasoning but the FCC pictures are throwing me because the match the screenshot from the KitKat video so well.

    • Tim242

      I thought the phone in the video was squared. The FCC render shows more rounding.

      • g2gsr

        I just think the angle is throwing you off like was said in the other thread. I have the GNex, and when I look straight down at it the top/bottom have nice curves. When I have a friend hold it like the KitKat leak vid and step away a bit, it looks completely rectangular.

      • Liderc

        lol, you’re still talking about this? It’s called angles of dimension, check it out sometime. Things look different at different angles and the bottom left angle was clearly rounded.

      • Bigwavedave25

        It definitely had domed/rounded top and bottom edges. You can see the actual profile much better later on in the video (around 45-46sec mark) from a different angle, the same guy pops up again and he has his hands away form the top and bottom.

  • BiggiePhat

    It’s the Nexus 5 as per Sarge.