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Moto X: 9 Things You May Not Know About Motorola’s New Flagship

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It appears, at least from our readers’ standpoints, that the Moto X reveal yesterday rubbed many of you the wrong way. It’s pretty obvious that many of you were hoping for a price well below that of the typical $199 on 2-year contract trend. We sort of forgot about the idea that this phone could drop in at some sort of Nexus-like pricing once we saw the pricing of the DROID ULTRA, but it is what it is. And after all, this is Motorola’s new flagship – they fully consider this to be on-par if not better than the competition.

No matter what, we can tell that you aren’t exactly happy, since many of you were focusing on this as potentially being your next phone. I’ll just say this, you have to give it a chance. You have to go get your hands on it once it hits stores. By no means are we done with a review nor do we have final thoughts, but everything we have seen in the last day with the phone has been nothing but positive. It’s a different type of device, that’s for sure. It’ll take a different mindset, one that isn’t worried about quad-cores and 1080p. If those things are the most important thing to you, then maybe this phone isn’t for you.

Over the next week, we’ll be diving fully into this to decide if we are in that boat or not as well. For now though, we wanted to share some Moto X features that you may not be familiar with that might improve your thoughts on it. If anything, at least take a look at the CPU and GPU section, as there is some confusion on this front. 

Same GPU as the Galaxy S4 and HTC One, performs better in benchmarks.

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Worried about a processor that is a “year old”? We’re seeing that argument over and over again in the comments, so we thought we’d point out a bunch of tests ran by ArsTechnica this morning to kick this thing off. Before we dive into performance, though, we wanted to make it clear that the Moto X, even though it sports a dual-core CPU, uses the exact same Adreno 320 GPU as the Galaxy S4 and HTC One. The CPU is also more than likely using Krait 300 cores instead of the year-old Krait 200 cores that many think it’s using. By all means, this is a custom job with tech on-par with the Snapdragon 600, it’s just not quad-core, so it’ll lack some overall power, something that seems to be throwing you all for a loop. That said, this phone is no slouch.

In terms of gaming, you may see better performance on the Moto X than you will on the One and Galaxy S4. For one, the Adreno 320 GPU will run better on a 720p display than a 1080p display, that’s for sure. You can see proof of that in the frame rates generated in the GFXBench 2.7 onscreen test above. But even offscreen, where the benchmark scales everything to 1080p, to put all phones tested on an equal playing field, the Moto X tops the GS4 and Nexus 4.

Their series of benchmarks also shows the Moto X beating the Galaxy S4 in browser tests, but overall falling in a full performance bench, but that’s because it’s only a dual-core CPU.

The processor and GPU combo in the Moto X is nothing to worry about.

HD Display may only be 720p, but it sure as hell isn’t PenTile.

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Full Macro Shot

In the past, we have been extremely critical of Motorola for using terrible (and I mean terrible) PenTile AMOLED displays in phones like the Bionic and RAZR. So when we saw that the Moto X was carrying another AMOLED display, we were initially concerned. That said, Motorola is making it as clear as possible that this is not PenTile and is 100% RGB. There are no shared pixels, as each has its own red, green, and blue sub-pixels. We’re talking no blurring when scrolling through text and sharp images. You are looking at 316ppi for the Moto X’s 4.7″ display.

So no, it’s not 1080p, but you could argue either way that none of us truly need a 1080p display on a smartphone. From personal experience, I’ll simply say that as long as its a great HD display, I could go without the full HD resolution. Remember, I’m the guy that kept going back to the Nexus 4 and its 4.7″ 720p display, even after there were handfuls of 1080p phones on the market. Sure FHD is great to have, to say you have it, but if it’s a great 720p panel, your eye probably won’t tell the difference, other than icons and text will look bigger when compared to a 1080p panel.

Also, the 720p display on the Moto X should greatly improve battery life over other phones using 1080p displays.

Includes Crystal Talk for HD calls and better Touchless Controls.

Motorola has included CrystalTalk dual mic noise cancellation and noise adaptive hearing enhancements to aid in voice calls in noisy environments. This tech features automatic vocal amplification, background noise filtering, and articulation enhancement, but also plays a role in making Moto X’s Touchless Control feature work well, even in loud situations. So in other words, you get better sounding “HD” calls for both you and the person you are having conversations with.

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Features dual LTE antennas.

This was rumored a week or so before the reveal, but the Moto X does indeed have dual LTE antennas. So you are looking at an antenna that carries the 2G, 3G, and initial 4G LTE signal, like you would see in a normal phone. But then Moto tossed in a second, dedicated LTE antenna to help it sustain and maintain fast connections on 700MHz LTE bands. They claim that this move means less power is needed to transmit and receive data, so in the end, you should see improved battery life and better data performance.

Has water-repellent coating.

To be clear, the Moto X is not a water-resistant phone. With that said, Motorola has used water-repellant coating on the outside and inside to keep you safe in a rain storm or something that would cause droplets of water to sneak onto your device.

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Custom-shaped battery.

This is sort of a random bit, but cool none-the-less. Motorola told us during a briefing yesterday that they are using a custom step-shaped battery in the Moto X because of the space constraints. To keep the phone small enough, they had to get tricky on the inside, which is also why they went with nano SIM cards. They claim this battery enables 31% additional capacity without impacting the size.

802.11 ac WiFi, custom vibration effects, and speaker membrane temperature monitoring.

The Moto X also features the newest 802.11 ac WiFi standard, uses new haptics technology, so that you can customize vibration effects (though I’m still looking for this feature on the phone), and somehow monitors the temperature and movement of the speaker membrane to enable up to 6x more sound power to be emitted.

Just sharin’.

  • Joe Blo

    BlinkFeed LOL HTC just blinked !

  • Joe Blo

    This phone looks so cool , shaped so nice , reeks of quality.
    I don`t like those slab-sided phones like iPhone/One…they look dated to me.

  • Jason Crumbley

    I just wish it had expandable memory. That’s the only reason I keep buying Samsung phones. I live in Las Vegas and have T-mobile. Cloud based services are not an option when travelling outside the Las Vegas area.

  • taglogical

    AMOLED is the dealbreaker – gorgeous phone otherwise.

  • ROB

    People are disappointed because they believe this phone will obsolete before their 2 year contract runs out….phones are now investments and no SD card and no removable battery run a higher risk of failure, perceived or not, and “investing” the time and money and recent moto phones makes this even more risky. Trust is earned…just ask HTC.

    Just my opinion and I am waiting to see this and the Ultra Maxx and the Note 3 in person and live. My biggest concerns are battery life and lag. If I can find a phone to address these two SIMPLE issues then that company will get my hard earned money.

  • Gem Jefferson

    The specs don’t bother me as much as some others. All I want the phone to do is stay on and work at this point. I find the longer I have android (G1, mytouch, mytouch slide, g2x, sidekick 4g, sensation, galaxy s 2, galaxy Nexus, note 2…also BB 9780 and 9900, iPhone 4S), the fewer apps I use and the more simplified my usage becomes.

    Most phones get 12 hours, 4 hours of screen time. The note 2 is better than that, but if this XPhone is better than everything that came out before it in terms of responsiveness and battery life, I don’t care what the spec sheet says. Of course, I’m skeptical until I have it in my hands. I think we should give it time to get tested in some hands-on videos and then judge the specs.

    I’ve gone over 48 hours of battery time with my note 2, but never with any natural use and not without rooting. If this phone truly can go a full 24, and the Droid Maxx a full 48… I’ll drop my Samsung bias and give it a shot.

  • Droid22

    anyone know if it will have the AWS bands like the droid editions on Verizon?

  • coolstory

    This phone has AMOLED?? Well now I know what will be my next phone.

  • eric stallings

    666 hahah

  • eric stallings

    google play edition moto x for me!

  • Jordan Caviness

    and here i was bashing this phone on phandroid…..im actually liking it more. i just need moto-maker for tmobile….and a 32gb option

  • Luisito Mercado

    This phone is highly underrated cause of the specs list, but people just don’t give things a try anymore… Come on ppl, it’s Motorola… They wouldn’t hype this product so much if it was crap…

    • ROB

      one word…BIONIC

  • Ahku Droid

    I agree, on a phone with a 4.7″ screen at typical viewing distance, you wouldn’t notice that much difference between 720p and 1080p. Also, the X8 distributed processing in theory should make up for it not being quad core. At current technology levels, this is likely a good thing for us and will give it longer battery power. The 2GB of RAM will probably give it the most noticeable performance boost.

    I have a couple questions, though:
    -Is this water-repellent treatment the same as what the RAZR uses, or is it protected to a lesser degree? The protection on my RAZR MAXX probably saved me lots of times. I replaced my OG 3 times…
    -How is the partitioning? Is it the same split used on the RAZR that keeps me running out of space with the main OS and apps part being 5GB?

  • Simon Belmont

    Hmm. The higher GPU scores makes me wonder if Motorola integrated some of Android 4.3’s big GPU improvements into their build of Android 4.2.2.

    There are definitely tangible improvements in Android 4.3’s GPU performance. It would make sense.

  • James Hill

    I respect your review. I am pleased that a phone, this nice, is made by Americans.

  • droidrazredge

    What I find funny is that after reading the comments I get the idea that despite what Kellex said in the post , what the other benchmarks, and what people say about the zero lag in the UI people are still stuck on the fact that it’s using dual-core instead of quad-core and that the dual-cores are based on last years krait 200. If it was using last years dual-core it would have an Adreno 225 GPU with a Qualcomm MSM8960 Krait 1.5 GHZ processor. This phone obviously is not using an Adreno 225 GPU it is using an Adreno 320 GPU. That alone should signal that it’s based on the same kraits as the S4 and HTC One. What I think Motorola did is realized that with their new computing system that the difference between X12 (using quad version of the krait 300’s) and going with X8 based on a dual core krait 300 warranted no benefits in the cost/performance category. That’s why they most likely went in the X8. They basically were like we can go with top specs but we want to show people the same performance can be done with less.Motorola is probably thinking lets “do more with less”. As you can see from the benchmarks this “old tech” as people are saying is keeping up pretty well with the big boys. That right there should tell people that Motorola has done something that no android manufacture has done before. I feel as we go on from here we will see Motorola make devices that will give the higher spec phones a run for their money sort of like a “David vs. Goliath” battle where David is Motorola and Goliath are the high end spec phones. Until people start seeing that I guess once you go Quad you can’t fathom going back. In the end I think Kellex had a well written article that summed up how we got caught up in the specs and have not really given this phone a fair trial. I will definitely be giving this phone a try and comparing it’s UI experience with other phones on the market.

  • E. Tasche

    Well written and such.

    However, I really really hope Motorola puts out some info on something that does not rely on the old pricing model so heavily very soon. Even if it is two months away, if I buy a different phone now, then I won’t be buying a Motorola device (for at least another year, if not longer). Amoled+big batter+Motorola Radio+reasonably durable+clean looking+justifiable expense= $ from my wallet to theirs.

  • Sporttster

    Really want to like the Maxx, this phones ‘big’ brother. But I cannot get past the small storage space!! It really REALLY sucks that they decided to not include a sd slot.

  • Ryan Verley

    This phone sounds fantastic and once the customizations come to VZW it will be my next phone. I was a tad put off by the price tag which means that I can’t get it anytime in the next 5-6 months, but the phone itself still stands out to me over the other guys.

  • edmicman

    Is the battery replaceable? Ultimately I’d like to know how this compares to the LTE Galaxy Nexus, and how you think it will hold up over the next couple years.

    Would also like to see some camera comparisons between the Moto X and all the other top end phones – how bout a lineup of photo samples from Moto X, HTC One, S4, and iPhone 5?

  • huffimus_prime

    Kellex,

    What a fantastic write up. This is why I count on Droid Life for Android news. With the way most people have come down on this device, it’s a breath of fresh air to have someone talk about what the device actually is instead of what they wanted it to be.

    My only concern over the price is it means I won’t be able to afford one. Other than that, this phone looks like everything I want a smartphone to be. I can’t wait to play with one in a store.

  • aDROIDfreeworld

    this whole 2007 notion of being forced into carrier exclusivities is getting soooo old! I realize ATT got MotoMaker exclusively because Verizon got the DROID’s on top of the x as well, and thats also the reason big red will not be getting a 32gb version…

    See guys?

    DROID devices totally screwed up what could have been a fantastic unicarrier launch for the first (mostly) untainted android device to roll out of Motorola since the OG.

    So in this case DROID definitely DOESN’T give consumers on Verizon better choice, as Verizon didn’t want anything to do with the x phone to begin with.

    And the fact that it has 9 bloatware apps is a liitle much. Reminds me of the GS4 launch.

  • Fifth313ment

    No offense bro but it seems like you are making excuses for Motorola and Google. I don’t need a Ferrari but I’d like to have one, lol (comparison that you don’t need a 1080p screen). Lol, I think the price and the specs will make it a non-issue for 75% of customers and the other 25% will simply be customization nuts.

    5th

  • kkloster

    I know this is a droid news site and by and large, the patrons are Verizon customers but it sounds this dual LTE antennae is only helpful on carriers that have LTE networks on the ~700 MHz spectrum waves (Verizon and AT&T), and that it won’t help LTE performance on T-Mobile. Is that true?

  • DCABuckeye

    Hello, Moto didn’t build this phone, or any phone, for the the tiny fraction of smartphone buyers who are spec junkies and pajama-clad, parents’ basement dwellers consuming 20gb of data watching movies. There are plenty of things in life to really get upset about and accuse corporations and government of failing to be truthful or misleading the public, but this is a phone. A phone! I’m waiting for reviews and some educated opinion, including my own handling and observation before I make a decision on replacing m GNex, but whatever phone I buy it will still be a phone, and it will be on Verizon because it’s simply the best network with great customer service. There are lots of reasons to not like Verizon at times, but what in life can’t be held to that standard. Now, it’s a gorgeous day and the sun is shining. Go get some air and out of that dark basement.

  • Nathaniel Mosher

    I showed my sister (19, completely non-technical) the youtube ads Moto posted (and nothing else) and she is now switching from her iPhone to the Moto X as soon as Verizon releases it. I have told/shown her previous things about the One/S4 and she wants it over them as well.

    That is the thing every critic is missing. This thing has mass market appeal and will only get better.

  • maxx1987

    The thing is, i was more than happy with everything the phone had to offer. the specs/experience was exactly what i want in my next phone. my problem continues to be the pricing. they hinted at affordable phones when talking about this phone, and all the hype built up around the potential for a nexus-type sales approach, only to be let down by this phone becoming just another facilitator for carriers’ binding 2-year contracts.

    you are correct in stating that i was planning on this being my next phone. however, with the way the pricing ended up turning out, i will never own this phone because my contract won’t be for another 8 months, and that is pretty disapppointing.

  • joejoe5709

    Now… given the Nexus line isn’t always known for their top shelf specs in return for a much more optimized experience – anyone get a sneaky feeling this might be the basis for the next Nexus? Strike me down if I’m incorrect, but here’s my thought: The MotoX almost doesn’t make sense. The price/exclusivity is strange and the specs/features aren’t much different than the Droids released last week. The design of the phones is very very Nexus-esque. I know that Google had a part in this phone, but I have a feeling this is a test bed phone for the next Nexus. Let’s hope they at least give us a quad-core processor but the rest of the specs seem right in line with Google’s standards. Thoughts anyone?

  • Sarpedon1069

    Kellex,

    Thanks for the write-up. But our problem with this phone is not the specs: it’s that one must agree to another 2 year contract to get this phone. I think most people want to get this phone and I personally was ready to break my Verizon contract and go pre-paid for it. BUT this phone (and every other phone, for that matter) is not worth signing up for two more years with the devil. Our problem is not the phone itself but the strings that come attached to it (i.e. price & 2 year contract).
    Keep up the good work Kellex.

    • Scott Webber

      Or, you could just realize that a phone is not as cheap as you think it is. The price is $600, not $200+contract.

      Carriers are going to continue moving away from subsidies.

      • CARPDM

        But if I go in with an off contract phone to Verizon my monthly plan still cost the same? So in the long run I’m saving $400 to be tied up with the devil for 2 years? Am I missing something?

        • Scott Webber

          1) I have unlimited data, so that isn’t an option for me.
          2) I have heard over and over that Verizon is going to eliminate subsidies the same way T-Mobile did. I don’t know what the timeline is.

  • Kanaga Deepan N

    I am a die-hard Motorola and Google fan… Actually I am more than happy with 4.7″ non-pentile AMOLED+ 720p edge to edge screen. Lack of QuadCore processor is OK for me too.

    But what I don’t like in Moto X are

    [0] Motorola designs used to be UNIQUE (though NOT all are beautiful), this one reminds design of Nexus series
    [1] Locked BL – Its a first google inspired phone from Moto, then WTF LB doing in X???
    [2] Tiny (in Motorola standards) + Non-removable 2200mAh battery
    [3] Removal of SD slot and tiny phone memory
    [4] Nano-SIM {When tiny battery dies u r left alone – Had very bad xp with adapters}
    [5] Price / features ratio is too high
    [6] Though touchless voice commands are useful, its just a gimmick for people who don’t mind pressing lock button and two cores wasted for just gimmicks..
    [7] Removal of LED notification and adding ActiveDisplay (always on screen notification, though AMOLED, it will kill battery comparing LED light)
    [8] Customisation NOT enough, imho (out of 16 colours there is 3 white, 2 black, 3 red, 3 pink, 4 green, one yellow)
    [9] No HDMI port

    ==============================

    Comparing my current RazrMAXX_HD, this thing gets a slightly OC processor, better GPU, twice RAM, better camera as plus points. But I will be missing great BATTERY LIFE, 32GB + microSD support, unlocked BL, LED notification, HDMI… NOT worth an upgrade for me, imho…

  • Al Scoggins

    j973- Sorry, I agree with you 100% on that issue! It’s the spec’s whiners I was addressing. I am semi-retired and have 6 smart phones on Verizon. All of the new plans they come up with now and no matter what I do, they always win.

  • Jason B

    I guess the only thing missing is LP-GDDR5 for system RAM. Oh, we’re not there yet? Spec whores are a fickle bunch. The specs will only appease them for 6-8 months, if that. If you want to keep going that route, you’re gonna start seeing some extreme clock gating to save power (which also reduces heat). The Nexus 4 already has too much throttling from heat related issues. What’s the point of having a quad-core when it’s mostly held back anyway? You can see the throttling in the off-screen performance test. Throttling affects both CPU and GPU clocks.

    Please, enlighten me. I guess you could say the Nexus 4 is a cheap LG Optimus G and it skimped on some necessary design – like a heatsink.

    Is it sacrilege to speak ill of the Nexus? It’s the truth.

  • Dee

    you can see where some of Motorolas $500m marketing budget is going…right to this site..

  • Roy Harrigan

    Still not buying it.

  • fgonzo98

    This looks pretty good to me…seems to be a lot of nit-picking out there! The only concern I have is the battery life. Will it be good enough to move away from a Samsung with a removable battery?

  • n11

    Good article, and very informative.I just can’t understand people and their “raw specs” = “more better!” argument. At this point, I’m fairly convinced this may be my next phone, now that my GN may be going into retirement for my brother.
    Still curious to know price on Rogers, and the device’s battery life.

  • Tyler Lamb

    Personally I’d rather have a device that utilizes 95% of the hardware potential, versus something that has stronger hardware but doesn’t utilize it well. Who cares if you have a quad core if the phone runs like crap versus a dual core that runs smooth.

    • ShadrachCA

      Exactly.

  • MikeSaver

    omg omg omg omg

  • Al Scoggins

    I just have to wonder sometimes, when I read some of these post, if some of you folks still live with your Mother. Oh no Mommy, thats not the kind of cereal I like! Now, can I borrow your car. Even when faced with the facts, as stated in this article, your opinion is superior. Furthermore some of you say really stupid stuff with great conviction. Fact is, its a pretty damn good phone… So get Mom to buy something else on her family plan and get over it!!

    • j973

      I have a family ,house and depend on no one and I hate being ripped off just like alot of people Im pissed that these smartphones cost so much these damn manufactures and carriers make a killing on us its just greed and monopoly . a phone that cost them 200 to make and turn around and sell it for 600 come on really and these damn carriers taking away unlimited and charging outrageous for the stupid share everything plans. Motorola had a chance to change the game did they no so f them . Nexus is where its at if your tired of getting screwed . thats my next device just as alot of other people have stated

  • Michael Hernandez

    Great coverage so far. I don’t care what the nay sayers think. They love to find things to complain about. I am very excited for this phone and look forward to checking it out in person. Keep the articles and videos coming.

  • Jared

    I absolutely do not understand why everyone is being so critical of this phone.

    • StankyChikin

      Because some blogger had some vision that Google would subsidize this thing and they didn’t.. Now they are all mad about it…

    • j973

      Motorola has been in a rut for a long time bring something new to the game give us a awh factor. destroy the market low price attack the market in volume . do you honestly think this will compete with the S4 or One

    • BCoils

      then you haven’t been paying attention. whether justified or not, many were lead to believe they’d see a 300-400 off contract price.

      • j973

        yes put everyone out there misery grab the smartphone market

      • Jared

        Price of being assembled in the U.S. And everyone is freaking out about an off-contract price that has yet to be officially released. At any rate, pretty sure this will be my next phone. Does everything I need…thus far.

  • Scott Webber

    Unlike most of the others, I’m still holding out hope on this one. The price is a bit of a disappointment, but it does sound like the internals are much better than people are giving credit for.

    The only downside to me is the 720p screen. I currently have the DNA (which I find just a tad large in the pocket), with it’s gorgeous 1080p LCD and capacitive buttons. The jump down to 720p with buttons taking up some of the screen real estate might be too much.

    The idea of a small, extremely comfortable phone, with the addition of always-listening Google Now might convince me to “downgrade.” I can’t wait to try this thing.

  • j973

    The biggest negative is locked Bootloader . and the bloatware, off contract price ughh i wanted to puke look at motos update history i know its gotten better but they are still laying down to carriers.
    . I can care less what it does does in a benchmark its the real life experience . it looks like a decent phone but the bootloader and bloat ill pass and motos update history.
    I hope Moto fails with this .
    BRING THE NEXUS 5 ALREADY

    • ShadrachCA

      All Nexus devices come with a locked bootloader. You have to unlock it manually. Do you know for certain that you will not be able to unlock it on this phone?

  • ShadrachCA

    Honestly, though, tell me a time a phone was released and people DIDN’T go crazy bashing it because it let them down in some way.

    Unless the phone is made of valyrian steel, has a 5″ screen in a form factor smaller than an iPhone, removable battery, SD card slot, 1080p, quad core, headphone jack on the bottom/top, power button on the right/left/top, camera that puts DSLRs to shame, is made in the the town where they grew up, all for $199 off contract, they will whine (before ever even touching or using the device).

    • Jason Downing

      yup!

    • Alex Goings

      You just excited me in ways I didn’t know I could be excited by the thought of a phone….

    • Franklin Ramsey

      So basically none of us will be happy until we have the technology to 3D print the phone of our dreams.

  • Scott Huddleston

    The specs look like a repackaged Droid Ultra, only built cheaper but at the same cost.

  • jcampbell474

    I don’t care about the customization as much as not having a removable battery/memory. Seriously, I have friends whose non removable battery bit the dirt and it’s a ridiculous amount of work to remedy the situation. It’s also terribly slow transferring large amounts of data through the cable. I pull the memory card, put it in an SD card reader, and zip it all along quickly. Samsung nailed it here.

  • Wow, I went over to macrumors and there is a post about this phone. It looks like ios users are lining up to buy this. Motorola might be onto something, guys. When they were doing their customer research, that might’ve been their target.

    • trwb

      I was just over at macrumors, and what I gather is that forum members are telling people to wait for the new nexus instead of this device.

      • guest

        its possibly you 🙂 or some one like you who desperatly wants the phone to fail because it was selling for $199 off contract

        • trwb

          Yes the biggest issue for me is the off contract price

          • guest

            so why are you not any about s4 and htc one? they are priced similarly isn’t?..

      • Weird, didn’t see much of that in the thread. Most people were interested in the hands free “siri”, screen size to phone size ratio, and the battery life. None of those things come on nexus phones.

        • trwb

          Yea I did see them talking about hands free siri, there are a bunch of different threads. I was probably looking at different ones.

  • Asset Mobile LLC

    I am still excited that this phone has come out. It is only the first of a long line of new devices that will come out of Google and Motorola together. Not a bad way to start off!

    • trwb

      It’s a horrible way to start off in my opinion

  • trwb

    Do a side by side with the s4, like phonebuff does side-by-side videos on youtube. Open apps at the same time on both devices and see how many seconds they take to open. We live in the real world, not in benchmarks-ville.

    • The s4 is lagville. this will trounce it.

  • nobody72

    What kind of dac are they using – i.e, how is sound with iem ?

  • moosc

    Wish my new Chevy truck didn’t cost $54999 before taxes. How dare Chevy over price a truck that chat $10000 to make total bs

  • Jeremy Martin

    Specs are not the problem. The problem is the off contract price.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      If you don’t look at the specs, what problem do you have with the off contract price?

      • Jeremy Martin

        Where did i say that I don’t look at the specs? I said that is not the problem…the off contract price is the problem. The problem I have with the off contract price is, unless you have been living under a rock, was supposed to be 50% percent cheaper than Motorolas competitors. That was stated by their own CEO a few months back. All signs supported that and now that its released it didn’t happen. It went back to business as usual.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Their own CEO didn’t say this phone was going to be cheap. He said “One of the areas that we think is really open for Motorola is building high-quality, low-cost devices. The price of a feature phone now is about $30 on a global basis. The price of a smartphone is about $650. That is not going to persist.” and he also said “The experience of devices you can get for less than $200 is subpar right now, … We want everyone to have access to affordable smartphones.”

          And the Off contract price was supposed to be 50% cheaper based on RUMOR, partially because of those statements. People made the assumption he was talking about this particular phone. It seems like he is talking about the Moto X line in general as we now know there will be other, low cost, phones coming forward. People further made the assumption it would be cheap because the SoC that was showing up in benchmarks and leaks, but not one of those benchmarks or leaks stated it was a modified SoC with additional Cores added on for different tasks. We all wanted to believe this phone would be cheaper, but it was never stated to be cheaper by the CEO or the company.

          • Jeremy Martin

            Fair enough assessment and you do have some value there in your reply. Maybe I should say more of an implication. The CEO implied that the price would be much lower off contract by the statements he made. Sure he never said which Moto X or even if it was the Moto X but implying that with all the hype around the Moto X starting to really churn up it only left people to assume he was talking about the Moto X. The “Game Changer” phone is nothing more than allowing people to put a pretty back plate on a phone they are going to protect with a case anyways.

            Coming from a company now owned by Google and how Google is customer first oriented only fueled the assumption. Just take a look at the other Google products that undercut current established price norms such as Google Fiber vs Verizon FiOS or just plain cable internet. The same was felt was going to happen with the first Google/Moto phone and, once again, the implication made by the CEO is what helped people to assume it was the Moto X.

            The price of a smartphone is about $650. That is not going to persist.” and he also said “The experience of devices you can get for less than $200 is subpar right now, … We want everyone to have access to affordable smartphones.” — that statement alone is what caused all the assumptions to be made based upon the hype of Google owning Motorola and this being the first scheduled Google/Motorola phone. I guess affordable smartphones is up to interpretation but Moto suggested $650 is too much and anything under $200 right now is crap…you are left to only assume that the Moto X was going to be sub $200 dollars to bring an affordable smartphone to the people. I guess the real fault is he didn’t specify off contract.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            I think the other thing we all kept forgetting was Google’s insistence that Motorola is operating as a separate company. We all (myself included) attributed Google’s philosophies and attributes to a company, owned by Google, but run separate from it. We all wanted to believe so much, we forgot what was said and heard what we wanted to hear.

  • Andrew Thompson

    I for one, am excited fort his phone.

  • jt O’Brien

    I understand that the software experience and hardware optimization are what makes this phone, but I just can’t justify purchasing this over the Note 3.

    I made the same mistake with getting a GNex over a Razr Maxx.

  • therealwaynebrady

    Gimmick. Scam. Ripoff

  • ~dArK.AnGeL

    Waiting 4 -> Super Ultra Maxx Customizeable GPE GSM/CDMA MOTO x

  • JS629

    I like the phone. My disappointment lies with the ATT exclusivity for the customizations, and the fact that it isn’t going to be the contract killer I thought it would be.

  • wolfedude88

    Why does this surprise me that he can live without a 1080p display? Even though he knocked on the Nvidia Shield for only having a 720p display?

    Why the change of heart? Doesn’t sound exactly fair

    • Avery Dejuan Herron

      You could get him to give you a blow job just like he’s doing moto for the right price trust me he’s in their payroll!

  • Tony Stark

    After I hype-beasted this phone to all the iPhone users I know and all my co-workers… I will be forever mocked for not getting it

  • ShadrachCA

    Anyone know if the Moto X has NFC and supports Google Wallet? I’ve decided this is my next phone regardless, but I’d really like to start using NFC for payments. I didn’t care before, but my card information has been stolen twice in 3 weeks, first my credit card then my debit card, but swiping my card at various gas stations around LA. There was an article recently (on Giz maybe) on how card stealing devices are so advanced now they are invisible to the user of ATMs, gas pumps, etc.

  • bakdroid

    Thank you, Kellex, for an extremely unbiased post instead of flamming the phone like everyone on this site. I know I am looking forward to your complete review and I know I am not the only one.

  • Nicholas Kent

    Will this version of AMOLED withstand degradation like my Galaxy Nexus?
    My GNex lasted less than a year before it developed that lovely linen-like pattern across the screen. Since then, I picked up a Droid DNA and fell back in love with LCD screens again.

    I can understand the reasoning behind using an AMOLED screen instead of LCD
    for the notifications on the MotoX, but is the technology really mature enough yet?
    Was the GNex’s screen bad due to the model as it was made or was it AMOLED in general?

  • RoadsterHD1

    How does the processing power and 320 GPU and features compare to the Droid Maxx and Ultra, and Mini?
    Are there any AnTuTu or quadrant benchmarks yet?

  • sirmipsalot

    Put aside price and specs completely. What about this phone, exactly, makes it so awesome? I’m getting nothing but “you just have to think different about this phone”. Okay, I’ll bite. Now tell me why it’s great. Nothing about the reveal or the coverage is even mildly persuasive. “You have to use it!” might indeed be true, but could you at least describe how using it is different/better than other phones in some tangible way that makes me care?

    This article appears to attempt to, and frankly, there’s not a whole lot of “there” there. And short of the dual LTE antennas, nothing in here is making me go “OMG THEY HAVE UPPED THEIR GAME!”. Setting aside all the spec-wars and everything else, this phone is still at best an incremental improvement.

    • guest

      sure al phones are incremental improvement since iphone release in 2007 ..but it does look like it has some unique/usefull and innovative features compared to other smartphones out there ..and ofourse I like cutsomization feature ..I want to carry a phone that is unique to me ..I like that idea ..

      • sirmipsalot

        Not true. The Nexus program is a huge deviation from standard procedures, for example. iOS or Android revisions – some of these have been large improvements, not incremental ones. Battery or cellular performance technology – these are huge improvements. If you want to argue that a stock-ish android ROM on a *mainstream* phone is revolutionary, I can buy that. But as a nexus user (and similarly, many readers on this site), I’m understandably unimpressed.

        Apple phones have had engraving for years, and replaceable backplates are nothing new. I don’t think this even counts as innovative, even if there actually are other innovative aspects of this phone. It may be neat to some, but it comes off as gimmicky to me (similar to some of the schlock shoveled in to the galaxy S4).

        • guesswhat

          all the things you stated are still incremental updates basically user experience has not changed ..my wife uses nexus 4 now and was using OG droid before ..she knows nothing about phones ..she doenst find anything ground breaking about it ..just has better display and UI ..anything is incremental until the way phones look today change fundamentally ..like the way iphone changed the user experience fundamentally..ya you can argue that customization is nothing new ..but this does take it to different level ..just watch motomaker demo ..imagine what motorola can do in next revision of motomaker ..im sure they will allow users to customize hw aspects of the phone more & more like RAM/CPU ..

    • Alex Goings

      I think we will just have to wait for full reviews to start to understand how it is better than on paper. The X8 design seems to be the biggest influence, aside from how it is ergonomically optimized. Most sites haven’t really gotten into specifics about the X8. It takes some digging and I don’t really know much about chip design, but from what I can tell it would make sense that this could change the way phone manufacturers think about processing. Aside from having two additional processors for contextual and language processing, the dual-core snapdragon S4 Pro is modified. It has the newer Krait 300 cores, instead of the older Krait 200 cores which are normaly in the snapdragon S4 Pro. Then they use the same quad core Adreno 320 GPU as the GS4 and HTC One, and that is what the benchmarks above are showing the performance of. Somehow, moto has used a custom dual-core processor and have their GPU preform better than the same GPU used with a quad core. Moto has been very quite about how all of this works and I am confused and intrigued.

  • Chris Dartois

    All that sounds great … but only 16gb (12-13gb after OS) of internal
    storage? That’s just not enough anymore. Esp with the tight data caps we have on LTE these days.

    • ShadrachCA

      There is a 32gb version for $50 more.

      • Chris Dartois

        AT&T Exclusive … so … not helpful on Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint or any other carrier.

        • ShadrachCA

          “Exclusive” means for a limited time these days. Doubtful AT&T will be the only carrier that can get the 32gb version.

          • Chris Dartois

            AT&T still has the only 32gb Galaxy S4 and 64gb version of the One … so … it clearly does not always mean “limited time” these days.

            EDIT: Though I see that vzw has 32gb S4’s now.

    • M3D1T8R

      Exactly. I could be fine with the screen and CPU, and very happy with the presumably better LTE radios, great sound quality, some of the unique features… But no SD and not even 32 internal or 64 even as an option that I would gladly pay more for, sadly makes this a non-starter. And I’m on unlimited data so not worried about caps… Just in an area with limited service, needing room for more than one eight of my music. Even the Nexus 7 has 32GB, and it’s only $270!

      So no, I’m not concerned about “last year’s CPU and screen”, I’m dumbfounded by the pre 2011 level of storage (even my G.Nex had 32). Still no upgrade in this area and I’ll be sticking with my DNA until they get it right.

  • guest

    kellex ..can you shed some light on the driving/car mode on this phone?what does it do when its in car mode, does it detect automatically that its in the car? Is it handy? Can your try that & post your expereincein the review? im in my car driving atleast for 4 hrs in a day ..so that feature will be handy ..Also always on voice commandis very handy too while im driving I can see mylself using that already..thi sphone looks tailor made for me 🙂

  • Keith Sumner

    Well said Kellex. After my time with this phone , it’s the smoothest UI on any android phone to-date, in my opinion

  • Joshua Bailey

    Love the change of heart most are having. This phone is a rockstar, and like I have always said, I would rather have Motorola put in the work to optimize the software for the hardware rather than the other way around.

    Definitely still leaning towards this being my wife and I’s new phone.

    • StankyChikin

      Why on earth would anyone down vote this comment lol

  • jdlogan151

    Thanks for the good information, Kellex! Your opinion of the device seems to be shared by others who got their hands on it early. Hopefully the play store price will help make it an easy decision for me. I like a lot of the features that it has.

  • Tyson

    Happy to read this. I am still excited for this phone, and I think that it is worth the $200 on contract. Are you people really that hard up that you can’t spend $200 on a phone versus $100? Sounds like a first world problem to me. Just go buy a darn HTC One or Samsung S4 if it means that much to you. Or buy the Droid Mini if you want to spend $100. There are options.

    I am most upset about not being able to customize my phone on Verizon at the get go. I will never, NEVER understand why companies who want to sell phones take these exclusivity deals. Let me stay on Verizon if I want to, and let me buy a customizeable Moto X on day one. I would if you would let me!

    • StankyChikin

      No… They just seem to have it in their heads now that if Google is involved, the device should be cheap as a candy bar.

  • StankyChikin

    Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if this becomes one of Motorolas better selling phones.

    • RedXander

      I agree, but I think it’ll largely be due to marketing… performance/specs aside.

      • Tyson

        It performs better than the S4 and the One, and gets better battery life. Why won’t it be bought based on performance?

        • RedXander

          You’re looking at one set of benchmarks. Hardly conclusive. What I’m saying is that some *MIGHT* buy it for the perceived/real performance but I believe *MOST* will buy it due to marketing.

          • guest

            not really ..marketting can only make you to consider a phone, so that you can to the store in the mindset of trying it side by side with other phones, most of the people will buy it if the phone looks,runs feels good in the hands. Even after that if the phone doesnt perform on par ..you can always return the phone ..so what your point? if a phone sells and user is happy it cant be just becaue of marketting ..the phone must fundamentally work well ..

          • RedXander

            Fair point and I agree in large part but I also believe that a lot of consumers don’t take the time to get informed on the product and rely on advertising/marketing and perceived performance. I believe this is a main reason why you see Apple stores and now Samsung shops in Best Buy; to generate a certain controlled perception, which ultimately works best when it’s backed up by some actual experience/specs. I agree with your statement that “if a phone sells and a user is happy” but marketing can greatly assist in that perception.

            How many people are running around claiming iPhones are the only ones with noise canceling microphones? I run into quite a few.

  • RedXander

    To a certain extent, a lot of us have Freddy Mercury complex or “I want it all…” (and to Verizon) “and I want it now…”

  • Ted Ockels

    Why would they stop fighting the spec war at this point of history? Get your phone with a base of 1080p and quad core then start this trend…

    • Tyson

      But why have those things? It is performing better in spec tests and performs better in battery life than the S4 and One. Why would they want a lower performing phone with worse battery life? If you want that, go buy it. Its out there.

  • Aprat

    Are there any differences between the Moto X and the new Droid line?

  • CoCoCalypso

    The fact that the device performs well is all fine and dandy, but then my question to you is, at the $200 ON CONTRACT price, why couldn’t they have put this years hardware in it and optimize THAT?
    People were expecting, and the Moto X was made out to be a game changer. I’m failing to see any change here.
    I know that Moto still wants to be seen as a separate entity from Google, but you can clearly see the latters influence all over this device. Why is the only influence that is not present, the only one that we care about: The anti-carrier movement that we have heard so much, and that Google has spoken so passionately about?

    • hkklife

      Amen, what I’ve been saying all along. Just IMAGINE if they put in a Snapdragon 600 or God forbid, an 800 and optimized it to he11 and back. THAT would have been a device that would have stood the test of time for a FULL 2 year contract (24 months now, kiddies, not 20 months). People still are excited that Apple’s 3-year old iPhone 4 is going to receive iOS 7—-with a thoroughly modern SoC Moto could have done the same kind of magic.

      I see NO change here other than a distressing lack of substance from Moto and a LOT of more showmanship and smoke & mirrors PR fluff on Moto’s part thanks to their desperation and the Google influence but STILL with a foot stuck FIRMLY in the camp of the carriers!

    • NeedName

      Oh lord. . .
      1. The did put THIS year’s tech in.
      1a. 300 series dual core cpu. . . not 200 series — quad core would have eaten more battery.
      1b. high-end quad core gpu that kicks everyone’s butt according to recent benchmarks.

      720p display is a high end display not a pentile POS. 1080p would have eaten more battery (getting the idea that battery life matters, yet?) without giving any additional benefit to the user — you cannot see the difference at that screen size!

      Two new processors that have never been seen before to add two killer features — on-screen notifications that don’t kill the battery and touch-less voice activation that doesn’t kill the battery.

      Anyone that thinks this device has “last year’s tech” either isn’t reading much about the device or thinks the number of cpu cores and dpi = current tech and everything else is “old” which is ridiculous.

  • legaceez

    Amen. Hope this shuts up some of the spec whores that can’t get past having the highest numbers possible in their spec sheets.

    I say if performance is on par or close–even better in some cases–I can care less about having the latest S800 CPU and 1080P.

  • Daniel Russell

    The Nexus 4 ruined all expectations for this phone. Because google made an off contract phone that sold at ~$300 we expected Motorola to do the same with the influence of Google. All us Verizon customers are trying to hold on to our unlimited data and this phone was supposed to be the way to do it… I like the phone and might still find a way to buy it, but the price is a major disappointment.

    • deadpenguins

      Yup. I think that is precisely the cause of all the sour responses.

  • Stewie

    I’ll just say this, you have to give it a chance.

    Uhh … How much did they pay you?

    • StankyChikin

      How much is Samsung paying you?

  • MaciQuatl

    besides customization, how else does the Moto X differ to Droid Ultra?

  • slayer91790

    Am I the only one around here not forgetting about the price issue is due to it being manufactured in the USA??

    • yaniv

      That won’t change the fact that this is a MID range phone who is overpriced. Next time people will buy phones made outside of the usa.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Actually this is doubtful as the cost of labor in China has risen drastically and is rumored to come into line with the cost of labor in the USA within a few years. Add in the Tarrifs, Taxes, and Transportation costs, and the cost to make the device in America as opposed to China might be negligible anymore.

  • DonGoncalves

    How does the Moto X stack up versus the new Droid Maxx? If the internals are the same, how about the touchless Google Now and other “experience” features?

    • Jonathan

      That’s what I’m wondering too. Torn between the X and the Maxx.

    • This is what I’m curious about as well. Outside of the difference in battery life and the camera, I’m thinking the performance should be the same since they have the same internals and I thought the both shared the same features too

    • Jack3D

      Should be similar. Droids are more”skin-y”, has hardware buttons, different camera, weird kevlar design, and wireless charging.

      • the Droid line and the Moto X are all using 10MP rgbc cameras or so I thought. I think its just the skin, minor features added, kevler design and wireless charging that are different.

        • Jack3D

          Sorry, I should have said different camera app.

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    something that has spoiled me, is the 5 columns of icons on the nexus 4, android doesn’t look right without it.

  • patrick

    once my nerd rage subsided, i’ve come to realize that i will probably buy this phone. long before the rumor mill started churning about the off contract pricing, i had resigned myself to the fact that i would be paying $600 to keep unlimited data. why should i now do a 180 because something some blogger put out there didn’t come true? why should i pass up the only phone that’s come along in the past 6 months on verizon that has made me have the “i want THAT” feeling?

    • hkklife

      Pay $700 for a 32GB Galaxy S4 on VZW instead. Keep your unlimited, get a larger capacity removable battery, wireless charging, likely a better camera, 2x the internal storage + the priceless expansion slot, more future-proof SoC and a bigger, better screen and massive 3rd party ROM support and an easily unlocked BL. AND all that Touchwiz crap/fluff is there if you care about it on the stock ROM.
      It’ll have worse reception, true, and won’t feel as nice in hand. But the value proposition IS there in Samsung’s favor.

      • beng8686

        Well said.

      • MacNificent

        because nothing beats motorola’s build quality and their closest to stock experience. I would never suggest or even buy a touchwiz or sense device over a moto again. I’ve learned that the expensive and hard way. In order… OG droid, dinc1, droid x, bionic, dinc2, droid 4, verizon galaxy nexus, GS3. And out of all the phones, the OG Droid and bionic were by far the best. I’ve actually switched back to my bionic (still wroking like a champ although it hickups some times) waiting on the Moto X

      • patrick

        i’m reserving any final decisions until the phone actually comes out. that being said, i think i would go with the one over the s4, just personal preference.

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    i just want you to do the poll again, after the review.

    • yaniv

      I don’t think it will change.

  • StankyChikin

    No hate here…. I think it’s a beautiful device. I’d buy one on if I didn’t already have the N4. The only thing that has changed since the community was in love with it is the price point people were expecting. I still don’t understand where that came from as this is a Moto device and not a Nexus. Maybe Google will still surprise us with a subsidized Google Edition but I highly doubt it. This is definitely something I’d recommend to my family and friends.

  • Tim Swann

    I wish Moto/Google would sell this directly with an unlocked bootloader (compatible with VZ of course). I feel that I may be stuck w my GNex for a long time before I see another unlockable phone come to Big Red

    • ShadrachCA

      There has been no announcement (at least that I’ve seen) that the bootloader will be unlockable. Ships locked? Yes. Unlockable? Who knows. Even the Nexus devices ship with a locked bootloader that you must unlock. There is no way a manufacturer could ship a device with the bootloader already unlocked anymore due to security concerns. If you choose to unlock yourself, they get to use the “go ahead and do it but whatever happens now is on you and not us” excuse.

      • Tim Swann

        That’s a good point. I didn’t think about that. But with the announcement of a Google Edition coming, don’t you think that all but confirms it won’t be unlockable?

        • ShadrachCA

          I guess we’ll know soon enough. At the end of the day, though, it doesn’t really matter. Even “unlockable” devices get unlocked once developers figure it out. It’s typically a bit more difficult to do, but you only do it once, so who cares?

  • Ben Morris

    So much hate for this phone. I’m still excited about it. This appears to be a really polished device to me, not a rushed product. Battery life probably won’t incredible, but I won’t be surprised to see them squeeze more life than people thought they would. It can’t be worse than my Galaxy Nexus (which lives plugged in). Getting hung up on specs just doesn’t work eventually, been like this in the PC world for some time now. I want a fast responsive UI experience, a fast camera (doesn’t have to be the BEST MegaPixels either). I’m also looking forward to supporting a USA built device.

    My biggest hangup is about Verizon not getting customization yet!

  • Lee Sandy

    I am ok with 720p on my phone display; who uses their phone to watch Netflix instead of using a tablet, PC or TV??

    • RedXander

      Who can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a screen that small unless they are 2 inches away?

      • NemaCystX

        Resolution can be subpar if the pixel density is high enough you can’t see the difference

        • Jordan Webb

          And honestly, I still think the Gnex’s screen is still pretty acceptable. Text is a little blurry, but that should be fixed by removing Pentile from the mix.

    • MacNificent

      or chromecast

  • KleenDroid

    I think this would be a kick butt device if we were able to unlock the bootloader.

    On my S4 I can bypass the bootloader and install the Google Play Edition if I wish. Or any other rom that tickles my fancy. Or at least those that were not dumb enough to accept the ota update are able to. My Gnex was wide open…

    Yes this is something that is still important to me. Motorola phones are locked down like no other.

    Cmon Motorola give us something at least.

    Sure it’s nice to see the improvements they are working on. And I’m sure this is a nice phone. But being full price and also being fully locked and unlockable does not make it something I would want for myself.

    Maybe for my wife who wants a phone to just work well for answering business calls.

    • EC8CH

      At some level it’s also just the principle that we shouldn’t be locked out of our devices by the carriers (who we know damn well are the ones dictating locked bootloaders).

      • Verizon being a great offender to this. It basically breaks down to having a great dev community if any lucky soul gets a particular device rooted, unlocked, or finds a workaround for it

  • cphilano

    If any of you have dealt with the Galaxy Nexus then you get the point to this article. Even though it too came out with specs that didn’t blow the mind or that were even better than phones release months earlier (though in was in the same generation of processors), it ended up being a phone that maintained a better user experience than any other not named Nexus 4 over the last two years.

    But in saying that Kellex, it’s hard pressed to not seeing where the disappointment is coming from on this. True that the Moto X seems to be outperforming the GS4 and One, but not by much at all. And with the locked bootloader and carrier updates just how future proof is this phone when Google ups the ante on the OS?

    I keep reading that this is mirroring the iPhone philosophy, but I don’t recall when the iPhone ever used processor technology that was a year off, and it usually had a refresh that ups the processor. And besides, isn’t Android eating up market share because it doesn’t mirror Apple’s philosophy? I’m looking at the Moto X youtube videos, and they really do remind you of iPhone Siri commercials.

    And I’ll have to admit, it’s hard to trust some of these write ups when we were just reading a few months ago that quad core processors were the answer to our battery woes, but now going back to dual core is the answer. I’m not sure why the OS couldn’t have been optimized using a quad core processor rather than a dual core considering octo cores are now being mentioned in mobile phones. Motorola isn’t even suggesting upping the ante on the processor. They are revealing that they are working on downgrading it to make it affordable.

    I mean you’re just not going to convince people that they are getting a bang for their buck with this price point. It’s sounds like retailers who were trying to get rid of their older TVs right before 1080P came out.They were pitching a 120Hz 720P TV with a Blu Ray player is every bit as good as that 240Hz 1080P screen because over the air and cable stations weren’t even broadcasting in full HD. I think I’m glad that I waited and went with the 1080P.

    Motorola could have really done some damage coming in at $200 dollars cheaper on the initial off contract cost. The numbers on this just make you scratch your head especially when you are speaking of a company that is trying to claw its way back into consumers good graces considering two years ago they totally betrayed them with their line up.

    • hkklife

      Software aside, this turd is just as a bad as what was offered up under the Jha regime. In many aspects, the Moto X is worse relative to the current crop of competition than the Jha-era releases.

      The Droid X was still the largest, highest resolution screen around at the time of its launch and its 8GB internal (ALL dedicated to app storage) + microSD slot was unmatched in mid-2010.
      The Bionic was still Verizon’s first dual-core LTE phone and arguably their best release of 2011. And both of those phones (and RAZR Maxx as well) still sold out and were backordered for QUITE some time after their launch (I know, because I bought a DX & Bionic at launch).

      Heck, just simply being able to bypass the carrier approval process for OTA updates would have cemented this phone’s place as a success in the heart of many (still probably wouldn’t have helped its sales much). Your point about the numbers being head-scratching and a terrify lack of future-proofing on this phone are especially on point.

  • If, when MotoMaker finally comes to Verizon, you are able to choose from more front colors than just black and white, I could definitely see myself getting it. The customization capabilities at play here is something that I don’t think we will see from any other company for at least 2-3 years.

  • I haven’t seen any word of it, so can I assume inductive charging is not present?

  • joejoe5709

    I’m starting to get a little concerned Moto paid all the bloggers. Or is the phone really that competitive after all? The tech world seems to be almost begging us to pay attention to the Moto X. Anyway… Great write up! I did not know these things and I’m actually really excited for the new WiFi standard. A recent router upgrade leaves with unused awesome WiFi speed.

    • Clark White

      Has been my concern since yesterday. I’m hoping it IS that nice, but it just seems odd that every site I’m reading is going overload.

      Granted – some of that is also because of the embargo I would figure. They may have had these phones for a week, or possibly even 2 (or longer) so have had quite a bit of experience with it, plus the time to write the articles.

      • joejoe5709

        Well whatever they’re doing… it’s working. I’m coming around to this phone. The more I read about it, I like it far better than the S4 even if it doesn’t quite match up in specs. I think the dev community will keep this phone alive longer than the S4. But I have a feeling I’ll have to wait and see how the new Nexus plays out in the next couple months. Honestly… if the next Nexus was based off of the MotoX with the same exact specs, I really wouldn’t be too broken hearted. If that isn’t an option, I think the MotoX (or the Droid Maxx – that battery is impressive) is still going to rank very high on my wishlist. And who knows… by then it may drop down to a price I can justify.

  • htowngtr

    Soooo…. Camera sucks, last year’s tech, locked down BL, carrier restricted, etc etc… for more price than the current crop of HTC One’s and G4’s. Yea, go home Moto, you’re drunk.

  • yaniv

    Any reason why a Google phone is still on 4.2.2?

  • NemaCystX

    Hey Kellex, does the Moto X have a removable back so we can buy additional backs as they are released?

    also, how loud is the Moto X compared to the S3 or the HTC One?

    • GoBlue

      The back is not removable, per Android Police.

  • Anil Reddy

    Everything is fine, but the custom vibration effects are already present in apps like Go sms where we can customize the vibrating pattern precisely! And it works on any android phone with android 1.6 and above!

  • JoeTi

    Thanks Kellex! Awesome prelude to a review of the Moto X. I’m curious, though. The detals of the new Droid lineup havent been nearly as detailed on the x8 What features, if any, are available on the Moto X that are not available on the droid Ultra/maxx/mini? Obviously, the form factor, battery, level of customization isn’t there. Is the x8 chips exacltly the same? Same GPU? For the loads of us deciding on VZW with a GNex upgrade, it would be nice to see the subtle differences that exist. Is that worth an write up?

    • NIGHTSCOUT

      I’m curious about this as well….

  • Zack Nebbaki

    I am really curious about the battery life. Can you let us know how it has been since you got your review unit? @kellex:disqus

  • sdfasd

    people are annoyed about it because Moto said they were going to shape up and start making devices people actually wanted, then they went back to the drawing board and came up with an average phone missing certain features that are becoming common-place on new devices.

    the bloatware included on the verizon phone makes this even more laughable

    Motorola said they were going to do one thing and then did the opposite.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Motorola said they were going to make a phone that would be great for a majority of the people. As much as I dislike the end result, techies aren’t the majority of people and this phone looks like it will do very nicely for the average consumer (IE: the majority). It looks like Motorola did just what they said they were going to do, and we all just forgot that we aren’t considered the majority.

  • Anonymous

    Nice touches, but nothing groundbreaking or defining. That’s why everyone is upset, not to mention the anticipating of this phone revolutionizing phone to carrier relationships in the US. It just didn’t deliver, so it’s just another phone with some new features and missing others.

  • pookietookie

    If the bootloader gets unlocked and AOKP supports the device, I am SOLD.

  • GTIguy

    I’m not worried about a quad-core CPU or 1080p display. But don’t f’n charge me like that’s what your giving me! My only complaint is the price. Over-hyped as a game changer for price and was, at least for now, a total letdown. I thought assembled in the U.S. = savings? Seems like this is directly targeting hipsters with the color combinations. Just give me a black device and lower the price.

  • Josh C

    I’m thinking it will be DROID MAXX over this in the end. $50 more gets you dat extra 1300 mAh and 0.5″ more screen.

  • BRIM

    No need to protect the phone, Kellex.

    It’s the principle here. Motorola dropped the ball.

    We all know benchmarks mean nothing in real world use.

    ESPECIALLY allowing the prime unique thing about this phone be exclusive to a carrier at launch.

  • WickedToby741

    I think what I find most interesting is what new stuff they did show off – the dedicated processors for natural language processing and contextual awareness, the customization, and assembled in the USA – all seem very applicable to Google Glass. The rumor is that Motorola is helping Google sort out manufacturing issues for Glass and I guess there’s even the potential for them to take the lead on the project.

  • john owens

    Will the new Verizon Droid Mini have the same dual LTE antennas as the Moto X?

  • jaredgreenwald

    The question I have about this thing with all the custom options is will you be able to customize it after the fact? As in, can I buy it in all white and then decide after the fact that I want to change the buttons to some other color, buy the buttons and then install them myself? Or the accent pieces? Or a different back?

    Another question I’ve wondered is: will all of the different carrier models be the same size? I know it was only slightly different, but the difference between the VZW GNex and the model for every other carrier was a deal breaker when it came to things like accessories. Also, in conjunction with the above question, it might be nice if the back were replaceable and I could rid myself of the VZW logo all together.

    • Jack3D

      Devices are identical, nothing can be customized outside the factory. Unless you snap it on top of the device…

      • jaredgreenwald

        So, its completely sealed a la the One?

        • Jack3D

          Yes.

    • RedXander

      I would not think so since a lot of it seems to be detailed to fit in a specific footprint. MAYBE you could find a way to remove the back, but that’s the only feasible part without getting into some heavy modification. Will be interesting to see a tear-down.

    • MacNificent

      http://youtu.be/NVEeGZIQhh4
      Your answer is at 1:20

  • fakekellex

    One question. If this had a snapdragon 600 instead of an optimized and “overclocked” S4 PRO, would it still get destroyed in here?

    • RedXander

      Opinion: Probably. It’s not the individual specs as much as it hasn’t lived up to the amazing phone people have been pining for. I think the sum of its parts might be better overall but people just see it as coming up short.

      • fakekellex

        But wouldn’t a Snapdragon 600 automatically make it high end? Consider all other specs are high end (top end GPU, 2GB ram, 10MP camera, large-ish battery).

        I have a feeling that if it was a 600, people wouldn’t complain at all and except the 720p display due to battery savings and better performance.

        • fakekellex

          *accept

          sorry for typo.

          • RedXander

            If someone had the answer to that – “What would make consumers happy” I think they’d have a job at one of these phone manufacturers. For me, the locked (as of right now) bootloader is a deal breaker for me.

          • RedXander

            I should add that I think Marketing (as much as that makes me cringe) will push a lot of common users to buy it. Look how well it worked for Apple to sell a phone with outdated hardware. Perception is reality so if you can artificially generate a perception that sells phones…. again.. sound like Apple….

          • RedXander

            Haha, I think it’s funny when people get bent out of shape over internet grammar/spelling. I understood what you meant. Isn’t that the point of communication?

  • SecurityNick

    So far everything I’m seeing about this phone is really cool. The only thing that I hope gets resolved is either someone figures out how to unlock the bootloader, or a dev option or something gets released that has an unlockable bootloader.

  • joseph barrientos

    i think im like everyone else here, its not that the phones horrible or that the price is crazy, its all about bang for your buck. theres only a few dollars that i can let slide because this thing was “made in the USA”.. funny thing is, its only assembled here in the states but parts made elsewhere, not a bad thing, but i feel its just bad advertising. those are my 2 cents

    • Alex Goings

      The parts may be made elsewhere, but it was designed and assembled here in the USA. This is more than you can say for any other phone.

      • joseph barrientos

        point being? theyre still using cheap labor to get cheap parts and most of the build done here in the US is by machine, theyre only making them here to have that stamp and probably a tax break.

        • Alex Goings

          They are at least supporting the US economy. I would rather support an american company than an asian one. Even if they are using a lot of machine work, manufacturing it here created over 2,000 jobs.

          • joseph barrientos

            true, at least theres a brightside…i guess if you’re going to support a marketing ploy, atleast pick one that brings jobs!

  • Bill Newman

    Why so much love for the manufacturers and not the users lately, D.L.? I thought we were fighting “the man” here?! lol It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out, for now I’m passing. Going to need more than a benchmark, “the screen is okay”, and “revolutionary vibration”, to change my mind. =

  • EC8CH

    Give it to me straight… is this the closest thing to a Nexus we’re going to get on Verizon for the foreseeable future?

    • Alan Fortte

      After Verizon screwed things up with the GNex, yep.

    • enigmaco

      Saying nexus and verizon in the same sentence just made me cringe…..

    • Bill Newman

      This is no where near a Nexus device. Locked (possibly encrypted) bootloader, updates from the carrier, and tons of un-deletable bloatware.

      • EC8CH

        and yet… still probably the closest thing to a Nexus we’re going to get on Verizon for the foreseeable future 🙁

    • WickedToby741

      Maybe. The Nexus 5 (or new 4?) could eventually get Verizon support if they include the right LTE bands after Verizon allows LTE only phones, but it’s impossible to say. Next year’s Nexus (the one after this one) should be a definite though.

  • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

    So what exactly is the difference between this and the new Droid Mini?

    • Can’t Access Account at Work

      It doesn’t have Moto’s skin on it, it’s 90-95% AOSP android

      • Jordan Webb

        Is there actually a difference in the skin? I thought “Moto’s Skin” was already 90-95% AOSP. Difference there would seem really weird to me.

      • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

        As Jordan said, I was under the impression that the new Moto skin was basically no skin. It’d be interesting to see them side-by-side.

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      The screen is .4″ larger, has onscreen buttons, but is nearly the same height, and is built with a different design. The Moto X lacks Droid Zap and DROID branding/theming.

      Overall, I’d easily choose the Moto X

      • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

        I see, so Moto X is actually closer to AOSP then? The design I thought was the same with X8 or whatever they are calling the new chip in all of their new lineup.

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          All the internals are identical between them, its the external design/size that changes. The few software differences are extremely minimal, and questionable in their usefulness.

          • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

            Ok, thank you for explaining. That’s kind of what I thought as well.

            I am hoping at least one good thing comes out of it and that’s smaller phones – I am pretty excited that the new ‘Mini’ phone has the same specs as it’s bigger siblings. Finally options for errone!

  • enigmaco

    Yeah the pricing is the only problem with this device, other than that I would be on this like maury on a dna test.

  • Jeremy Gross

    internal memory sucks

  • “It’s a different type of device, that’s for sure. It’ll take a different mindset, one that isn’t worried about quad-cores and 1080p” Nuff’ said. Least someone has a brain and isn’t worried about the spec war

  • Rabid Rotty

    I think this is a great device, If there wasn’t a nexus program, I’d pick it up.

  • Since it’s not coming to Verizon until later this year, I’ll just have to wait and see if the next Nexus will work on Verizon (from a Play Store device, not subsidized, rub a lamp, i know). Anyway, I still like the phone. Liked it from day one. I can use my wife’s upgrade on her line to buy the phone then move it to my line which is unlimited data.

    So here’s my plan if anyone wants to steal it or tell me where my thinking is wrong. I’ve got two lines and my wife doesn’t want a smartphone. So i’ll use her upgrade on her line this year, then move the phone to my line. Then next year i’ll trade my upgrade to her line and do it again. Upgrade on her line, move the phone to my line. Made my own EDGE/JUMP/(insert new ATT upgrade plan i can’t remember the name too right now).

    • Alan Fortte

      Yeah the AT&T upgrade thing is called ‘Next’ but I wouldn’t be too sure about getting that. I’ve seen on articles that it makes you pay more for the phone than the actual price, and they pocket it. Not completely sure, Google it if you want more exacts on that.

      • Thanks for reminding me.
        i was saying that i think i might have a manipulative plan to avoid those plans and still get an upgrade every 12 months.

        • Alan Fortte

          No prob. I think JUMP from T-Mobile is the best, it’s 10 dollars a month and includes protection, not sure on the level of protection though, but it’s better than nothing, right?

          • Josh C

            Please take a look at price comparisons over the 2 years before you JUMP over. T-Mobile’s is by far the most expensive.

          • Alan Fortte

            Actually AT&T’s is, it makes you pay more for the phone than it actually costs.

          • Alan Fortte
          • Josh C

            I saw somewhere else that JUMP was highest, followed by ATT, VZ, then Sprint. Might have been bad info.

          • Alan Fortte

            Sprint hasn’t announced anything yet, but I assume it’ll be the most expensive since they’re the biggest assholes in the industry. Verizon is nicer than them. By like 0.00001%

          • Josh C

            I can’t stand the fact that I’m tied to VZW. But they put all the other carriers to shame with coverage. And I might as well sign a 2-year and get the phone as cheap as possible since I won’t be leaving anytime soon.

    • NYCHitman1

      Don’t hold your breath.

      • I need a Genie and a magic lamp for Nexus to work on VZW, i know. I love my GNexus. hate the thought of giving up unlimited though. hate it. all other unlimited seem to be throttled after 2GB. i need to do more research on that though.

  • EC8CH

    Performance of the Moto X camera isn’t really impressive:

    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-Moto-X-first-camera-samples-showdown_id45966

    Colors looks very washed.

    • NemaCystX

      Well alot of those comparisons are also Oversaturated in color too so its hard to get a good comparison. They should compare the shots with a DSLR to get real color and detail quality to compare against.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I, for one, thought the pictures looked fairly good until I saw the comparisons to the other pictures that were taken. Then, I realized the better looking pictures had the saturation levels much higher. It could be that the pictures are very accurate in real life color production and just look washed out because they are compared to over saturated pictures. At least, I’d hope. Still doubtful I will get an X.

  • Alan Fortte

    Very interesting article, but the customization exclusivity is total bulls***. It’s a bust, will wait for the N5.

  • RedXander

    I think I might have seen the day that Google has done something evil. They’ve compromised the overall strength of one of their products and put more of a focus on marketing to dupe the customer.

  • matt

    how are the speakers?

  • Michael

    This will be the next nexus….i can see it. Not this exactly, but similar model, made in china, no custom, no lte, no verizon, no moto ftrs.

  • MichaelFranz

    Kellex – what about the new droid line. Do all of these facts hold true to that besides the battery size thing. What about the LTE antennas?

    • Jordan Webb

      Pretty sure the dual-LTE thing is common to most phones, but I am curious about stuff like the speaker temp monitoring and call sound features.

    • Charlie R.

      I commented earlier, but I’d also like more on this as well. Same GPU, Wi-Fi AC, Crystal Talk?

  • Flying_Hellfish

    I’m planning to buy my next phone off contract to keep my unlimited data. With the pricing of the moto x I might just wait a little longer to see how the note 3 shakes out . The X is still a contender for my Galaxy Nexus replacement but not the front runner yet.

  • DoShe

    The biggest issue – more than price (because the majority of people do not purchase phones off-contract) – is the exclusivity of MotoMaker and the fact that outside of AT&T, only the 16 GB variant is offered. That doesn’t command the price they’re asking.

  • Greg Abbate

    Note 3 here I come. Is it November yet?

  • Lunkman

    These commenters create quite the mindf*ck- I’m embarrassed to say I want one and I’m anonymous!!!

  • JZ

    Thanks Kellex! I’m loving everything I’m reading about this device. If the experience as as good as they promise, it’s well worth $199 to me. Honestly, I’d pay extra to not have to use Touchwiz or Sense!

    • Hah, now that’s a good angle there. Pay to avoid TouchWiz. 😛

    • Curtis

      Huzzah.

  • OneForTheGoodDays

    Kellex…. and everyone else. VZW will be going on Motomaker.

    • marko358

      Yeah but when? We’re still waiting for the HTC One months after everyone else carried it.

      • OneForTheGoodDays

        Who cares when. It’s in black and white (no pun intended), it’s going to happen… until then stay with your perfectly good phone.

        • marko358

          That’s my problem. I have a GS2 with a shattered screen that I’m dying to replace. 😀

          • OneForTheGoodDays

            I can lend you my Droid Eris. 😛

  • DP16052

    The phone looks good and the initial reviews all seem to be mostly positive. There has to be something with all these positive reviews or Moto has paid off a lot of folks. Ha. I can overlook, hard but will try, the specs if the battery life is good. Of course, anything is better than the battery life on my GNEX.

    Any thoughts on whether Moto is going to do a better job at pushing out upgrades or pressing carries to do so?

    • Jordan Webb

      Once Google took over and got established, they got JB out to most of the abandoned devices in a hurry. They’ve been doing really well with updates.

    • They made a promise a year or so ago to push out updates much faster than they had. They seem to be doing a good job this year, as does Verizon. And again, it’s pretty minimal, mostly-stock Android. It shouldn’t be hard to update.

      • EC8CH

        Same logic should have applied to the Verizon Galaxy Nexus.

        Unfortunately logic stops working once you’re on the nations “largest and most reliable” LTE network.

      • DP16052

        Yeah I would agree that updates seem to be coming faster from both Moto and Verizon. Just hard to shake those early days and of course my perception of Verizon as a pissed off Dictator.

        Based upon your initial reviews this phone is on my short list. If battery life is good then I am probably in.

        Assembled in the USA is just icing on the cake

  • tbotb

    The only thing that I’m worried about is the fact that it does not have top of the line specs. When I drop $200 on a phone, I want it to last the two years that it is on contract. My original Droid became almost useless after the first year, and my Galaxy Nexus came close, but is now painfully slow. But why go for this when I can go for the One or S4, both of which have all around better specs?

  • Butters619

    I think the big reason people are upset is because had the phone been $300-400, then half of us would have run out and purchased it and been able to have a new toy.

    Coming in above that, we all realized we may have to wait and save just like it were any other major toy. And we don’t like waiting for cool new gadgets.

    • bkosh84

      Beautiful explanation.. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • Paradisimo

      I think it’s more the fact that if people buy this on contract they will have to wait for their contract to run out. At $300-$400 off contract many people could justify this as an impulsive purchase. Having to pay $600 off contract or sign up for 2 years is a much harder decision to make especially with all of the rumors of a hero device coming out later.

      • Butters619

        Yup exactly. I was one of those who wanted to upgrade mid contract and at $300 I could buy and not even think about it. At $600 it’s a lot harder to justify a phone I don’t really need. Aka I’m not going to get it. But I want it.

        Also, I highly doubt any hero device is coming. This is their hero device. This is the direction Google is going with Moto.

  • Will P

    Is the screen non-pentile just as the Note II wasn’t pentile yet had a strange subpixel arrangement?

  • Clark White

    I’ve been one of you guys biggest fans for the past 1+ year. I don’t think I have ever seen you say “Just give this phone a chance.” On any other phone, I think you would be bashing it because of all the hype that was built up around the phone and then the realization of what it really is. Is it a slouch? Definitely not. I’m sure it will be a fantastic phone for the 95% of all customers – which is obviously what they are shooting for.

    Just odd seeing Droid Life in PR mode. Gotta pay those bills though!

    • I’m saying give it a chance because people are blindly trashing the hell out of it. I’ve got the phone in my hand, and it’s pretty damn good so far. It’s not that I’m sticking up for it, I just don’t understand how you can just write off something that you’ve never seen or touched. I like people to try out all kinds of tech, that’s why we do this. So it’s a little sad to see people saying “oh hell no” before they have even touched it.

      You just said yourself it’ll be awesome for 95% of customers. So now I’m confused.

      • RedXander

        It may be too early to tell but as a daily driver, do you see using this as your main phone over its equally priced competitors? Namely HTC One and S4?

      • bkosh84

        You and Phil over at AndroidCentral have the same feeling.. I’m a bit disappointed about the price overall but what are you going to do? I’ll just have to save up a little extra for a little longer to get the phone if I want it.. No big deal in my book.

      • Clark White

        Don’t get me wrong! I *completely* understand. I do think it will be a great phone; you know, and I know as well – you have that 5% in your followers.

        I told my wife last night – this is the perfect phone for you. *I* may even get this phone in the end.

        I won’t bash this phone until I am able to go to a Verizon store and actually feel it. I may 100% love it.

        I think you nailed it on the head when you talked about price. I think a *lot* of people were expecting that $350 because of that Hype Train (I know that was my initial disappointment and turned me off; I’m sure that can change as you release more info on it, and do more reviews).

        I’m not sure how far ahead of time you guys had the phone, but I do remember seeing how you sort of backed off on that hype and actually saying ‘it may be around $199 on contract.’

        No bash towards you guys.

      • THIS x100!!! Bashing something you personally have not seen or used in person is just ridiculous to me. User experience is key and no matter how many reviews, pictures, etc come out, I ultimately make up my mind once that device is in hand and put to use.

        I get the idea that a majority of the people hate the price of this phone (even I find it a bit weird compared to the Droid mini at $99 for example), but you gotta look at all the positives for it as well.

  • Edward Smith

    While this is a nice phone, benchmarks don’t mean jack! I wanna see a Moto x out perform my rooted, overclocked 4.3 Nexus 4.

  • Matthew DiGiacomo

    Yes I’m sure it will be a great device. But at that price point, it’s just not justified.

  • Jordan Webb

    Kellex, I’d love to see some information that compares the minor features on the X to the Droid set. If the Droid set is missing some of the smaller sound features, that may make a difference.

    • Charlie R.

      I’d like to see this too. For example, does the new Droid line have the same GPU, dual-LTE antennaes and Crystal Talk tech? Or the AC Wi-Fi? We know the screen is the same (except size). Any ideas?

      • Jordan Webb

        I can tell you it has the same GPU, but no 802.11ac. Not that I have a gigabit internet connection to make use of the ac, but yeh.

      • Geekdad

        This.

  • S_T_R

    Umm…great job getting suckered by marketing. All LTE devices meeting the UE3 spec or higher (all LTE handsets sold today, and all but the earliest Verizon devices, ever) have 2×2 (two transmitting, two receiving) antennas.

    Hell, the Nexus 4 has it and it’s not even an LTE device (legally it isn’t, technically, it clearly is).

    • chaoslimits

      I’d like to see @kellex:disqus respond to this.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I’m wondering if this is a 2X2 MIMO setup or, perhaps, with them mentioning there are two separate antennas, they are using a 4X2 or 4X4 MIMO setup. Yes, an LTE antenna is known to have a 2X2 MIMO setup, so if they are stating there are two separate antennas, this might be what they mean. Theoretically, this would mean faster data and less power would need to be used, as they are also stating. I’m guessing we might need to wait for a tear down to know for sure.

      http://www.4gamericas.org/documents/MIMO%20and%20Smart%20Antennas%20for%20Mobile%20Broadband%20Systems%20Oct%202012x.pdf

      • S_T_R

        MIMO basically means multiple antennas. Now, you can combine receivers and transmitters into transceivers, and get full 2×2 with only two antennas, but you can’t do it with just one antenna. It would just interfere with itself.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          I think you are missing what I’m saying. What if we are talking about antenna arrays. One for 2g, 3g, and LTE which all devices have, and a second array for LTE only, much like the article states are antenna. Sounds more like he is trying to say there are two arrays in the device.

          • S_T_R

            Your post doesn’t make much sense. There isn’t any benefit to separating out an antenna like that, since the phone only transmits along one network tech at a time. Having a fully separate antenna for one network (say, GSM) and another (say HSPA) means you now have an antenna that’s doing nothing 99% of the time, besides taking up space in a phone that could be used for a larger battery.

            Most modern phones share the main antenna among 2G/3G/4G, and the second cellular antenna is used only for networks that support MIMO/channel bonding, which is DC-HSPA+ and LTE only at this time. In a HSPA+ and LTE area both antennas are working to reduce interference and increase signal to noise ratio (more bars) all of the time. Nothing is sitting there idle. If you have the space to add a 3rd antenna, you’d want to use that one all the time too. Though, due to how fragmented frequency bands are, you end up with phones like the Optimus G/Nexus 4, where a 3rd antenna is used for frequencies that interfere with the ones used on the 1st antenna (like HSPA 850 in the US, which could interfere with GSM 850).

            Also, phones are very small, and use single omnidirectional antennas. No arrays.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            I guess I’m not stating this well enough, but it is possibly to have separate antennas in an omni-directional array. I guess what I’m trying to say, is take your standard MIMO setup for a phone that you are talking about, now double it. It is possible, and not all cell phones currently do this. That’s what it sounds like they are trying to say is happening. I guess we will know when a tear down occurs.

          • S_T_R

            If you double a 2×2 arrangement, you get a 4×4 setup.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Which is what I said…

    • TuckandRoll84

      I’ll admit that most of this is over my head, but you got me wondering so I did some digging. From what I’ve read, I think this will be a 4×2 MIMO set up. Except on T-Mobile where it could be a 4×4 (They’ve been putting extra antennas on their LTE towers). From what I understand, this is going to be a requirement going forward for both LTE-advanced and VoLTE.

      http://www.ieee.li/pdf/viewgraphs/antenna_design_lte.pdf

      http://rfsolutions.pctel.com/artifacts/MIMOWhitePaperRevB-FINAL.pdf

      http://telcoantennas.com.au/site/telstra-4g-explained

      http://www.ieee.li/pdf/viewgraphs/antenna_design_lte.pdf

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIMO

      http://gigaom.com/2013/06/04/t-mobiles-plan-to-supercharge-lte-a-whole-lot-of-antennas/

      Like I said, I’m not sure. I’d be happy to hear a clarification.

      • S_T_R

        You didn’t need to link bomb (3 of which appear to be fluff/and/or not the right info). Just Google “LTE UE Category”. The reason why they break it up into categories is because it’s not necessarily reasonable to expect a phone to have 4×4 antennas, while one can enforce that standard on laptops.

        Going forward:
        2×2 is the minimum requirement, and the only thing we’ll see in phones for a LONG time.
        4×4 is an option, and the maximum we’re likely to see for a long while as well. Laptops, hotspots, consumer-grade modems

        8×8 is a potential addition to the spec for LTE- Advanced, but hasn’t been determined yet. Is not really practical because it’s only useful when you can access 200MHz of airspace.

        • TuckandRoll84

          Sorry for link bombing. I was trying to show what information I was finding, which was obviously not the right information. And thank you for the clarification.

          Would you mind clarifying one more thing? In the first link (I won’t link to it) on pages 42 and 45 they talk about a handset with a 4×2 MIMO setup, It looks like it improves channel capacity. Is that not a likely real world usage?

          Again, sorry for my ignorance. I’m just trying to wrap my head around it.

          • S_T_R

            It would increase downlink speed, but if you’re stuffing 4 antennas in there already (all of these antennas have to be physically jammed into the device without interference), it doesn’t take much more effort to make the receivers transceivers, turning it into 4×4.

            Having said that, it appears LTE-Advanced does support 4×2 UE, though I really don’t see a use case for phones. What do you need with a 200Mb pipe to your phone? That much data requires a huge amount of power on its own and modern batteries just can’t handle it.

          • TuckandRoll84

            Fair enough. Thank you.

  • Esmegma Medieval

    What about when the Nexus 5 comes out in a couple of months for half the price of this off contract? What will Moto do then?

    • yaniv

      I guess ask for more publish about their “flagship” phone.

    • Tyler Casilio

      If they made enough money they won’t care. It’s a business in the end

    • ddpacino

      Nexus won’t work on but 2 carriers at most in the US, AT&T & Tmo.

    • vs8

      What if there isn’t a new Nexus, but a lot of Play Edition phones?

      • NemaCystX

        I’m thinking you might be right. The rumor was that KeyLime Pie was going to target tablets again so if Google has any new hardware for that release I’m willing to bet its for the next Nexus 10

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      The same thing LG, Samsung, and HTC do: put out a new device next year.

      Again, a new device does not make any previous device less awesome. It is merely “more awesome” (at least, that’s the goal).

    • OCSportsGeek

      I still think the main issue that people aren’t getting here is this:

      This phone wasn’t built to appease the Android die hards.

      This phone was built to appease the masses and target the broader demographic.

      Do you honestly think that the “pure google experience devices” are massive sales products? or do you think it’s purely a method to make our segment of android fans happy?

      Take the Razr M. Wildly debunked here, yet more and more people I know socially that don’t fall into the fanboy realm have that phone and love that phone.

      If that’s their market, and looking for the overall experience w/ MotoMaker, etc. I think this is a win, assuming that the thing performs like it’s being touted. The overall experience is the key to the masses, not the “ZOMFG< UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER AND MOAR COREZ" pissing contest we like to engage in. "Oh yeah, well, your phone sucks because you don't have X while I do, and my benchmark can kick your benchmarks ass"

  • Marc Lewis

    This whole no SD slot is what is killing it for me. My Bionic has 16gb internal and a 32gb sd card and can go to 64gb if i please. I’m pretty much full on space and using the cloud is not an option when you work in buildings with no reception and want to listen to music.

    • Marc Lewis

      Guess I could turn the bionic into an mp3 player though…

      • hkklife

        What I would do since the Bionic’s running so dang well with JB is this: Buy a 64GB microSDXC card (if you need the space) and a replacement battery (if it needs it) and sit tight with the Bionic for another 4 months. By then we should if the 5″ 1080P “hero” X is gonna materialize, plus we should know whatever Moto is cooking up for early 2014 that will supposedly have a 5.2″ screen.

        The current X is just too overpriced to buy full retail and too underwhelming to burn an upgrade on.

        • Marc Lewis

          Yeah you are right. I probably will wait haha. I do have unlimited data though, I hope the upgrade lets me keep it whenever I do decide to or I will have to buy a phone at full retail. My sister just upgraded from a Bionic to an iPhone 5 (yeah lame), used MY upgrade and we both kept our unlimited. The guy said he can do the same for me when her upgrade comes around in half a month. Not sure how the hell he did that but I wonder if anyone else that reads this has had that happen.

  • SmokeNMirrors

    I like the phone but wish they had been more innovative on the price!

  • PBDiggins

    Everyone is definitely too concerned about specs these days. That being said, I think they could come down on price. I’ll wait for full reviews to see if the overall experience is worthwhile. Currently rocking a GNex on Verizon and hoping to get the next Nexus (5?) this fall. If that doesn’t come out, or I decide I don’t want to switch carriers (assuming N5 will only be GSM again), I would get the Moto X.

  • Derek L.

    Kellex, do you know if the dev edition or the rumored Play edition is going to be usable on VZW?

  • @bleakneonblack

    My problem is the lack of customization and 32GB models on Verizon at launch. I’d love to switch to AT&T, but there is no LTE coverage in my area, and after having for years now on Verizon, I can’t go back. I feel what will happen is that by the time customization comes to Verizon, AT&T will have expanded LTE to my market, and we’ll be so close to the new Nexus I’ll just end up waiting for that at a more reasonable price.

    • First thing I said to a Moto rep yesterday was, “People are going to be pissed that you gave AT&T the exclusive on the customizations.”

      • PBDiggins

        It’s silly to give one carrier an exclusive on arguably the biggest differentiating factor (customization) of the phone.

        • 100% agree.

          That said, they tried to tell me the pain in the ass that it is on the back-end to make this happen. Don’t think it was an excuse, but it sounds like they went with 1 carrier to launch it, possibly even test it, and will give it to other carriers soon enough.

          • Jeralmac

            Or, knowing how VZW operates, they wanted nothing to do with the first phase of the phone….

          • hkklife

            Excuses, excuses. It’s ALL about making as much $ as possible while doing the minimum heavy lifting possible. That’s why the domestic phone market will NEVER break out of its 2 yr contract-subsidy-bending over for the carriers model rut!
            Also, I never believe a WORD that handset manufacturers (especially beleaguered ones such as Moto, Palm, & RIM) say.
            Case in point:
            Heins (BB)said that tablets are a passing fad, Ed Colligan (Palm) said that Apple wasn’t gonna ” just walk in” and dominate and that 8GB internal storage was more than anyone would ever need. Now Moto is saying what a problem customizations are. Do you ever hear Samsung, Sony or LG crying or making excuses? If they release a stinker, they back up, regroup and keep on going.
            As far as the backend stuff, you don’t start off offering the sun, moon, and the stars. Or you start off with a legacy device that no one cares about for customization until you get all the kinks worked out. For example, offer the phone in 16GB version in-store in black and white. Have 32GB versions as well as a handful of colors available for customization at launch on ALL carriers. THEN, if it’s successful, expand it from there to encompass all of the fancy designs and maybe a 64GB version.

      • @bleakneonblack

        I’m probably getting a little ahead of myself assuming the next Nexus handset will be LTE compatible, though. 🙂

  • kynyrd synyrd

    Kellex, do we have any idea about verizon OS updates? i assume they won’t be able to bypass verizons usual BS and get them out in a timely manner…

    • Anon

      I wouldn’t think so looking at the VZW bloat that comes with it.

    • I’m assuming updates will be like they are now. Verizon has gotten a lot better in the last year, so there’s that. But no, they won’t come directly from Google or be able to bypass Verizon testing. It’s like any other phone on their network.

      • EC8CH

        “It’s like any other phone on their network.”

        that’s what makes my insides hurt so bad.

  • ChuckG73

    Face it…I want one. Would buy today on Verizon off contract if I could. Now hearing about a developers edition makes me kind of happy I can’t. It is time for me to replace my VZW GNex and this looks to be the phone.

  • jnt

    @Kellex Anandtech said saying “ok google now” will wake up every X in the vicinity, though Moto said it wouldn’t. Seen anything one way or the other in your usage yet? Also, how’s the camera? Thx!

    • PBDiggins

      I watched the Vergecast and it looks to pair to your voice (you say OK Google Now 3 times at setup). They had other hosts try to wake Josh’s phone and it seemed to work as advertised (only responding to the owner’s voice).

      • jnt

        I saw that as well, but Anandtech isn’t one to flippantly say things without properly testing, which is why I was so curious. I’m hoping the Vergecast was the norm, though!

  • Tom Luley

    Great writeup, but I still think that just from a specs prospective, justifying buying this over a GS4 or a One for the same price is ludicrous. The GS4 trumps this phone in every aspect and they are priced the same. Sure, this may come with the fancy touchless controls and such, but to me that is all a gimmick anyway that will most likely come to a ROM near you, if you are interested in that sort of thing.

    • decidedtochangename

      But is doesn’t, see benchmarks. More importantly wait for real world use/comparison. This phone may trump the S4 in almost every way that matters.

    • I’d say you make a valid point for sure. The GS4 has higher-end specs, don’t forget an SD slot, and comes in at the same price.

      Motorola thinks the overall minimal experience here, with the customizations (AT&T only which sucks), and the fact that it’s made in Texas can justify the price. I don’t know if it can or not, still testing to find that out.

      I think what we’ll see is how big of an impact a massive marketing budget can truly make. It allowed Samsung to become top dog, maybe it’ll help Moto return to glory too.

      • Tom Luley

        The whole “minimal experience” thing that is being brought up is sort of giving me douche chills…It’s like Moto is going the Apple route with the “less is more” motto. I just am not sure if it appeals to this community all that much, but hey! I am usually wrong so maybe Moto is going to thrive off this one!

        • crazed_z06

          Agreed. Why exactly should I buy a lesser device for the same money to get a “minimalist experience”.. whatever that means. Since I’m paying good money, I want a maximum exprience. I want as much hardware, features and performance packed into a device as I can get. That’s what Samsung is delivering with the GS4.

          • marko358

            Yeah but all of those features take up a huge footprint and way too many GBs of space. Are all of those features worth it when most people will rarely use any of them?

          • hkklife

            “Minimalist experience” is marketing-speak for “greed, arrogance, and laziness”. The Google Play editions of the GS4 and HTC One are what I consider a true minimalist experience. This Moto X is just a smoke & mirrors marketing scam with enormous profit margins. I cannot wait for the inevitable iSupply teardown to show the X’s BoM!

            Look, it may turn out to be a benchmark and real-world usage champ and it still won’t sell. We know that 3/4 of the market is gonna buy something “iOS” based on what the other lemmings are buying or recommend. The rest of the market is either gonna buy whatever is cheapest (regardless of specs) which puts them firmly in “free phone” territory OR they are spec whores and will buy whatever gives them the best bang for their $200. Motorola doesn’t stand a chance with capturing the attention of any of the 3 types of buyers I just mentioned.

            I just recently recommended someone switch four business lines over to AT&T from Verizon and they got 3 Optimus G Pros for $99 each and a GS4 Active for $199. There’s no way Moto can even hope to compete with those kinds of offerings by playing the traditional carrier subsidy-contract gave.

            Look up what happened with Palm and RIM, folks! It’s about to happen ALL over again. Google is not going to keep Moto afloat if they cannot make it as a standalone entity! This is a hail mary, bet the farm proposition here that’s going to stink up the market about like the HTC First and MS Kin did.

            At best, Moto will only have a modicum of sales success after it’s been rapidly discounted down to <$100 levels (ala HTC first). Look at Palm and their Centro–that was the first really cheap mass-market smartphone back in 2007-2008 and Palm didn't make a dime off of it because they had to discount it so heavily.

            I've been a diehard Moto user since the MicroTAC days but I am predicting that Moto is gonna meet their Waterloo with this one. I HOPE I'm wrong but my gut tells me otherwise.

      • MichaelFranz

        marketing is what it will all come down to. The better they market, the better it sells to sheep…the better everyone else who knows a thing or 2 will accept the device and cave and buy one

      • BenderBendingRodriguez0101001

        Well Texas is known for “big” things so I can see where the price comes from.

        • greyhulk

          Texas resident here. I can confirm this.

    • Xious

      So let me ask you, have you compared the Moto X to the GS4? In real life experience (not on paper), do the GS4 specs really outperform the Moto X? You say the GS4 trumps it in every aspect but I have really not seen anyone that has used the Moto X say that it is definitely slower and inferior to the GS4/HTC One.

      So is your argument based only on paper or on actual usage?

      • Tom Luley

        In every spec aspect, pretty much yes. No I have not gotten my greasey mitts on it yet and I FULLY trust Kellens opinion on it, but I will disagree with one point that the screen (yes, I guess just on paper) is a big difference to me. I have been using the GS4 ever since release and every time I look at my GNex screen, I say to myself “who would actually prefer a 720p screen over this gorgeous 1080p display”. I can’t see myself going backwards in tech. For those people still using older phones, like GNex owners, I would think they would want an increase in specs with every part of the phone seeing as it is now 2 year old tech. The 720p AMOLED on the Nexus was a great display for its time, I just cannot justify spending the same price on something we had 2 years ago.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          But the 720p AMOLED that was on the Nexus isn’t the same technology at all as what is in the Moto X. So you are comparing a current 720p screen to a 720p screen of inferior technology. How does that make sense?

  • Ben Myton

    Hey K,

    In your testing, could you clip the phone into a car windshield mount and try out voice commands, speach-to-text, and speakerphone calls?

    One big complaint I have with Android’s voice interaction is that the hardware doesn’t seem to be able to keep up with ambient car noise. If this new hardware mic would let me “talk to” my phone or have a speakerphone call while it’s in the window clip that would be a big plus!

    • Will give it a shot. Supposed to handle all this well, but yeah, I’ll be sure to test it.

  • Keith0606

    I have to admit he makes some good points. I still think I’m going for a Note 3 but I may at least consider this. I’d definitely take it over anything with “Droid” in the name.

  • Sean Bello

    look that’s fantastic; it looks like an awesome phone, all of the features are great, but it’s terrible at $600. it’s amazing even at $400

  • john

    This site has now officially turn into Yahoo. Bias, advertisement filled articles.

  • Rbq

    If I had not purchased a GS4 on VZW recently, AND they had the customization available for VZw, I might have considered it. It’s a better looking phone, it’s a better form factory, and in general it’s got everything I need. I don’t notice the need for 1080p on my phone, after having a Galaxy Nexus for so long, you’d think I’d notice that. I like the GS4 but I miss on-screen controls, I hate these buttons, capacitive or otherwise. I also don’t use the motion sensor, and the only reason I don’t have a custom rom on here is because of multi-window.

    What I’m saying is, I endorse what Motorola is doing with this phone, it’s just a few months late for some of us.

  • marko358

    Any word on the length of AT&T’s exclusivity with Moto Maker?

  • Silverman

    Moved on — too many $ for a mediocre phone with no SD card and non-removable battery. Personally I don’t care a whit about custom colors — I put a snap on rubber case on my phone.

    I’m suspicious from his attitude toward what is an over-priced phone that Kellex is getting paid to flog this phone.

    • Wow you got in two comments about bias and paid. +1

      • Ben Myton

        Yeah, there has to be some sort of Disqus record for that. Can we earn medals like foursquare?

    • MotoRulz

      Troll will troll.. Do us all a favor and take a long walk on a short pier.

  • Curtis

    The only thing wrong with this phone was the rumor about its price. It’s going to be a great device.

    Edit: Grammar

    • Josh C

      This

    • decidedtochangename

      Exactly. At $300/350 my Note 2 would have been for sale the day this was released.

      • Curtis

        I am still buying it on contract for $199. I lost unlimited when i switched my family to Share Everything. Yes, I have a flow chart that I use to help me decide whether or not I have to wait to download something until I get to my wi-fi at home or work.

        • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

          Pity! I can’t imagine living without unlimited. Dat Google Music streaming 😀

          • Curtis

            That is the only option on my chart where the answer is always DO IT! I do have All Access and I use it all the time. I just stream at Normal quality.

          • Billy Buttons

            I’d go for it if the data rates were even somewhat reasonable like $20 for 2GB or $30 for 4… but $30 for 2GB is gauging. I’ll stick with Unlimited for $30.

          • Curtis

            You are right in doing so. Keep it as long as you can. Paying off-contract prices is almost worth the peace of mind.

    • Raven

      Yeah, I may be getting this down the road when I can get it off of
      swappa for cheap. I usually run a year behind with my “new” phones so
      that I can keep my unlimited data and not go broke.

      • Curtis

        At the end of the day a phone is just a phone. I think you’ll be happy with it.

    • NeedName

      “Android Fans” need to stop bashing companies for rumors from “Android Fans” and bloggers.

      Seems they’ve become quick to bash anything that doesn’t fulfill the rumors that they can’t see the good anymore unless it matches up to the rumors. Seems like these “Android Fans” are the inverse of iFans.

      This is a decent phone, in every way, and adding a few jobs to the USA economy is a good thing, and worth an additional $100 on or off contract IMO.

      • p_droid

        Exactly. There was NO evidence behind the rumor that this phone was going to be sub-$400 off-contract. People were just making that up and now everyone is all pissy.

        • NeedName

          Not only that but Moto leaked tons of specs to curb the hype and give people a decent idea of what the phone was going to be.

          Maybe, like one persons pointed out, all this bashing is really coming from MS paid shills.

      • The reason most people are mad is because Moto’s CEO stated himself that the current pricing of smartphones is simply outrageous (I can’t find the exact link at this moment) so most people were assuming that since the Moto X was the first brain child of both Google and Motorola that they would try and set an example by starting a new pricing model.

        • Dee

          free choice

          if you want it can afford it buy

          if not go get a job then you can afford it..

          • maxx1987

            Dee, that is an idiotic response, and doesn’t address at all the point he was making. neat.

    • hkklife

      If I had been on a island for the past 6 months with no internet access, returned to the mainland and seen this announcement, I would still make the exact same conclusion that this phone is destined for failure (after, of course, making a quick perusal of the current crop of competitors). If it launched at $300 or less outright, it’d be legendary. If it launched at $400 outright, it’d be a very nice Nexus 4 alternative. If it launched as a “free” phone on contract it would be a massive smash hit. If it launched at $100 it would be a reasonable success. But at $199 it’s doomed for failure.

      The rumors were entertaining and nothing more. BUT they should have offered some VERY good (free) insight to Moto and Google over the kind of guerilla marketing techniques it will take to bring Moto back to the forefront. Save that $500 Mil, use a portion of it to subsidize a Motorola Nexus-style device and let the blogosphere do the bulk of the marketing. Going head to head with the Asian biggies on price while falling laughably behind on specs ain’t gonna cut it.

      • Curtis

        It sounds like you are not happy with the price of this phone. Have you ever purchased a phone from your carrier, on or off contract?

        This is the same price for any phone similarly spec’d. Your comment has been tainted by the rumors bro.

        • hkklife

          I’ve probably purchased more phones than you have ever used, both new and used, on and off contract (admittedly, though, all CDMA). It’s a decent phone but a BAD value, especially in GSM form, no matter how you slice it.

          • Curtis

            It sounds like the surprise for people here is that Motorola priced a phone to make money.

            You have purchased more phones than I have ever used.

        • Philip A. Kaiser

          My problem with the price is that it costs almost as much as then new Droid lineup but can’t match the specs. Why would I buy this over the ultra?

          • Curtis

            I personally wouldn’t buy the Ultra because I do not like the look/design of it.

          • kixofmyg0t

            Why would you buy an Ultra over this? The only difference is the Ultra has a slightly larger screen. If I couldn’t get the MAXX(which I am, already sold on it) and had to chose between X and slim Ultra I would take the white X in a heartbeat. It’s sooo much better looking. Side benefit of having higher pixel density too!

          • Philip A. Kaiser

            Wanted to say Maxx but I knew someone would rip me on the price difference.

          • kixofmyg0t

            Oh, ok. Yeah MAXX all the way.

            however, the Mini is basically a 4.3″ X for $99…..

      • Tyson

        What specs is it behind on? If you were not told that this was a 720p or 1080p display, you wouldn’t know. And it is outperforming the S4 and One on tests, in speed and battery life.

        • hkklife

          Screen size, notification LED, likely camera quality (moto is ALWAYS behind on camera quality), internal + external storage (formerly a Moto hallmark), wireless charging, Miracast, just for starters.

          • kixofmyg0t

            Screen size? So wait. using that logic the Galaxy Mega should be better than the GS4 since it has a bigger screen. Nevermind the fact that the 5.8 is qHD and the 6.3 is pentile 720p. No bigger=better always to you.

            Notification LED? Seriously? Once you use the active display you’ll never want to go back to LED. Wait til Kellen posts his review to prove my point.

            Camera? http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-Moto-X-first-camera-samples-showdown_id45966#11-Moto-X

            Storage? Yeah…you got me there. But SD cards are going the way of the dodo man. I’m not happy about it either. You don’t fault Nexus devices for the same thing do you?

            Wireless Charging? Got me there. But this is a mass appeal phone…most(and I do mean MOST) people would never ever use the feature. Still it woulda been nice.

          • PhillipCun

            screen size is not spec. notification LED is not a spec, its a feature. camera quality is also not a spec. miracast is probably dead. wireless charging? did you read? it has wireless charging.

        • KleenDroid

          That’s funny. You can probably find a test that shows any phone is the fastest.

          But if it makes everyone feel better about this phone I guess its OK… 🙂

          I am sure this will be a nice phone. And when buying a phone everyone needs to get something that meets their needs. Not every phone meets everyone’s needs or desires.

    • brkshr

      People should be pissed at themselves for believing a RUMOR so intently.

    • jose

      Bingo. The way this phone is priced, it makes no sense to pick this over other top tier phones that are better in many ways. Moto said they wanted to change the game. The only new idea they brought was custom colors.

      You’re looking at the new and improved Applerola

      • Joshua Bailey

        Save for the fact that it outperforms those same devices with less impressive specs.

        • David

          The Andreno 320 GPU it uses will be outdated in the next couple of months given that the G2, Note 3 and next Nexus will all have the snapdragon 800 and Andreno 330.

          • ceejw

            So you’re saying that the GS4 and One will be outdated faster than the Moto X then since they’re using the Andreno 320 to push a much higher number of pixels.

          • kixofmyg0t

            And then in another couple months the Adreno 330 will be outdated by something else….

            ….and that something else is coming in the new Nexus 10.

          • Curtis

            Can we all just agree that technology gets better, faster… stronger and maybe harder?

            There won’t be a time, soon, that we can say we have nothing to look forward to in the way of future tech. This phone is coming out now… soon, please.

        • KleenDroid

          Lol. You can easily find benchmarks that show any phone as the fastest.

          • kixofmyg0t

            Find me a benchmark that says the Galaxy Nexus is faster than a Galaxy S4 in ANYTHING then.

          • KleenDroid

            Lol… I own both of these phones and can assure you the Gnex is faster at some things. If you are anywhere near me I’d happily show you.

          • kixofmyg0t

            Benchmarks dude. You said benchmarks. Find benchmarks that say the Gnex is faster.

            I’m very well aware that general use the Nexus will feel faster when running a appropriate ROM and custom kernel.

          • KleenDroid

            OK. Would you be willing to put a small wager?

          • kixofmyg0t

            Sure. If you can find benchmarks (reputable BTW. Not something you made up) that show the Galaxy Nexus is faster than a GS4 I’ll up vote it.

          • KleenDroid

            A benchmark that the apps report should be reputable shouldn’t it?

            Of course usually when I do a benchmark it will show that it outperformed every phone.

            So the point is: Benchmarks are not something to even worry about. You can make them be what you want.

            What matters is in hand real life operation.

            P.S. Most phones are awesome.

          • Kanaga Deepan N

            What about fast battery death benchmark??? GNexus will win hands down…

    • tyguy829

      I think the reason the price gets to so many people is that while this phone performs really well now, it isn’t as future proof as anyone would like. Dual core doesn’t hurt it now, but what about a year down the road? Android 5.0? If it was only $300 or so, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal to upgrade at that point. But for over $600 (no one will get 16 gb, let’s be real), it feels like it will have to last the full two years. I’m not saying this is a bad phone, it’s just not going to change the game like we all thought it would. i just don’t see it as a good investment for the long term

      • Curtis

        This is a legitimate concern and hopefully where all of the price point naysayers criticism is seeded, although unlikely.

      • Curtis

        After everything has settled hopefully, like the XB1, people will realize things weren’t as bad as they thought.

    • Kagnon

      So after reading how it matches with the other flagship the price still doesn’t make sense?

      • Curtis

        If you are asking me this question, yes it does.

    • Justin Larmay

      Don’t forget the irritating AT&T exclusive off the bat to customizing the phone. Which I thought was supposed to be one of this phones key selling points. Must be nice to be on AT&T !

    • Bi0nic

      The price is terrible. Other than that it appears to be a decent phone. That AT&T MotoMaker exclusive (initially) is a joke.

    • Robert Goulet

      Then here’s my question: I would certainly hope Motorola monitors major Android fan sites about the hype surrounding upcoming releases…and in doing so would have seen that there were many rumors about something in the neighborhood of $299 off contract, and the hype that was resulting from that price point. There were also media reports speculating about the price, suggesting that the Nexus-style pricing may be a reality.

      So my question is WHY didn’t Motorola do some controlled leaking about what the price would be to temper way-too-high expectations? By dropping the bomb all at once without relieving any pressure, they ran right into a hatefest by the people most likely to influence their friends about what phone they should get next. Seems like a serious fumble on the marketing end to me.

      • Kanaga Deepan N

        Exactly my thoughts… +1

      • niket

        It’s always easier to see the dots connect looking back than the ones looking forward. Say they had tempered the discussion by dropping price points – that could have bit them too and the phone could have been DOA. It would have also tipped off competitors to what was happening. Just a hard thing to manage when it comes to rumors and expectations.

      • FritoDorito

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324425204578598070710908536.html

        There was clear evidence for a while that this phone was going to price at $199 on contract. People refused to accept it. People stubbornly talked up the Nexus pricing like fact, no matter how unlikely and how much evidence contradicted it.

  • Cody Revels

    Personally its a great device. Like Kellex says….quad core and 1080p are hardly noticable on a phone. Its unnecesary and uses more battery. ALso if you consider all the censors and the additional processors, its a good price. This is the phone I’ve been waiting for since the original Droid.

  • Finire

    The question I have to ask, because I am in love with it for work and home.

    Is if Qi charging compatible?

    • RedXander

      Wondering this as well. Everything I’ve seen suggests No. Engadget did a comparison but it also said the MAXX didn’t have inductive charging.

      • Does not have wireless charging.

        • RedXander

          Unfortunate. My G-NEX had an issue with the usb prong making contact with the outer shell, causing it to think it’s charging when it’s not, turning the screen on, and ultimately draining the battery.

          It may seem gimmicky to some but, from an engineering standpoint, anything that reduces repeated wear on an interface is great.

          • jscofi

            ^this! those micro usb ports wear out!

        • jscofi

          i wanted to know that answer too. ive seen a few other sites list this as wireless charging on board

        • Finire

          Even if it doesn’t have it built in… Which would ultimately be the goal, are we going to see a Qi compatible back cover like they have for the S4?

          The last thing I want to see is a sleeve like the iCrap.

          • RedXander

            I don’t see how. The battery is not removable. For phones like the GSIII, they are able to actually put a slim pad that connects to special terminals. With no removable cover on the back (that I’ve heard of) I don’t see manufacturers trying to do this.

          • Finire

            This makes me ultimately sad… I have to say after using Qi charging for my phones… It’s now a requirement for me.

          • Can’t remove the back, so I doubt it.

          • Finire

            Appreciate the info… It just makes me sad, because that’s the one straw that makes it a bust for me.

            After having it, you get really spoiled being able to just drop and charge.

        • breadable

          Well, there’s one reason to consider one of the new Droids instead

      • Lucki

        According to Verizon’s press release, the MAXX does have wireless charging. The Ultra doesn’t mention anything about it.

  • icedrop

    I’m still worried about my unlimited data, and the fact that there is no way in hell I’ll sign a new contract with verizon. If you absolutely must be under contract the GSM model with ATT is obviously the way to go, so at least you still have the option to buy unlocked phones. All that said still considering buying this.

  • NAM37

    I just want a decent affordable phone I can buy without giving up my unlimited data. Is that too much to ask?

    • Apostrafee

      yes

  • jaime

    If the new droid mini could be $99 so could have this phone (compare them!). There are not a $100 in differences especially when you subtract Verizon droid inflation.

  • Bill Hill

    One thing I do know about the Moto X, its overpriced

  • Zach K

    Shows promise but I think i will wait for the Moto X 2.0. If the lower specs dont sacrifice performance as the benchmarks hint at – then hell, I will take the better battery life! Still though – 1080p on my GS4 is pretty amazing for TV and movies and pictures, that will be tough to give up, along with my SD slot…

  • motta2003

    That’s a flagship device?

  • hldc1

    I was most worried about the screen being pentile. Glad to hear it’s not. Might have to give this a try.

  • Mark

    And all of these have been 100% confirmed? especially the dual LTE Antennas? Thats the main rumor i was really interested in yesterday but never saw any confirmation of it actually making into the device

    • 100% confirmed from Moto PR.

      • Mark

        Awesome! That is actually good to hear. Kellex.. any word yet on availability of hte phones unlocked on either Moto.com or Google Play…. and will be see an unlocked version on their websites for Verizon? I fully expect Verizon to sell the device off contract at a high price (500-600 bucks) but will Moto or Google also sell an off contract/unlocked version for a little cheaper off their websites?

        • I was told an unlocked version was coming, but they didn’t say when. I’d assume closer to the AT&T launch since it’ll work on AT&T LTE.

          • Mark

            By unlocked… do you mean an unlocked version that will work across all carriers (Verizon too) or unlocked version that will only work with GSM carriers (ATT/T-Mobile, similar to how unlocked phones on Google Play currently work). At this point, I can only buy a Moto X off contract from Verizon since I am in middle of contract still. Im just hoping that either Motorola or Google PLay offers a Verizon version of the Moto X from their websites at a price that is lower than what Verizon wants to charge you for the off contact price on their website or in their store…

          • The unlocked version will work on ATT and Tmo HSPA, but only ATT LTE.

  • JG

    Features are great. It’s the price that has killed everyone. 399 off contract and I will bite.

    • ddpacino

      “killed *geeks”

      Average Joes, which I believe they are mainly targeting here, don’t care about specs or price, since it’s on par with what they’re used to: $199 up front.

      • woodraskam

        but if they really wanted to hit the Mainstream they put it $99 On Contract and it makes it a ton more desirable for the ‘Average’ Consumer.

        • p_droid

          If it was $99 it would be perceived as “cheap” when compared to the iPhone and other flagships, which are $199. By making it the same price, they are stating that this phone is on the same tier as those phones.

          • legaceez

            Yes someone understands it.

          • JG

            So you basically say 98% of consumers are simple and lack reason. Which I completely agree with. Sheep basically.

        • brkshr

          Is that Moto’s choice or the carriers choice on pricing? I have a feeling that it’s the carriers that are keeping the price higher. I think that everyone’s frustrations here are vastly misplaced on this.

          • jose

            Carriers maybe. But retail pricing, that’s Moto. If Moto made the retail price lower the contract price would also have to be lower in order for carriers to incentive customers to sign a 2yr contract

          • woodraskam

            Carriers price based on Retail-Subsidy. If the retail amount was $399 and it sold On Contract for $199, it would be outrageous, so I think blaming Moto for the pricing is correct.

    • NeedName

      In the USA there is really no benefit to buying “off contract.” You just don’t save anything.

      Besides, Google has a low cost off contract device, the Nexus. That’s what it is there for. This is Motorola and they have to stand on their own as their own company or Google will sell them.

      The price is just fine for what it is and where it is assembled. You all have lots of third world POS to choose from for low price.

      • T4rd

        Most people here (including me) are on Verizon and clinging to their unlimited data plans like a nun to her hymen. We were hoping this would be the phone to get without signing a new contract and letting us keep our unlimimted data on the nations largest (LTE) network.

        • Adam Collins

          “Like a nun to her hymen” I’m going to have to use that someday.

        • Skittlez

          you can still get this phone without signing a new contract

      • carlisimo

        You’re forgetting about T-Mobile.

        • Reginald Jefferson

          There’s a reason people forget about T-Mobile…

    • sc0rch3d

      can’t wait to see the google play edition. i could buy into that.

    • ceejw

      Verizon is not going to let any decent smartphone on their network get anywhere near $399 because they want people like you off of unlimited plans.

      • JG

        I could care less about Verizon…left them a long time ago.

      • Skittlez

        you can probably get it for close to that price if you just buy it from Motorola. remember, you don’t HAVE to buy it from Verizon.

        • ceejw

          If you want to buy a new phone and use it on Verizon you have to buy it from them. It is not possible to buy the Verizon model of a phone directly from the manufacturer.

          • Skittlez

            They already announced that you can buy all versions, including Verizon, from Motorola directly

  • duoexo

    Thanks Kellex by still continuing to provide great coverage. Even though this phone is highly critized. My hats off to you.

    • lgreg64

      Agreed. I think we need to wait and see how this phone will perform in real life not just focus on the specs

      • Bill Newman

        In two years (@ new contract pricing) I would hope their are developers that utilize quad core CPUs and such though. This phone will be left out, much like older phones not getting updated to newer Android versions because of hardware requirements. = We shall see.

        • turdbogls

          older hardware can handle the newest software just fine. there are other factors as well (storage being one) but it is mainly the fact that updating an older phone simply isn’t worth it to the manufacturers.

          FYI, the nexus S can run 4.2.2 fairly well….so there is no reason older hardware can’t run newer software.

          • Bill Newman

            I agree it’s the manufacturers as well. Tell this story to the Photon/Atrix owners who still have a bad taste in their mouth from Moto who never got ICS though. It’s always a risk outside of a Nexus or GPE device. My Verizon Galaxy Nexus is still TWO updates behind everyone else.

          • Anon

            I’m running 4.2.2 on my Atrix. Don’t know what you’re talking about. >.>

          • turdbogls

            I’m running 4.3 on my Verizon G-nex. Don’t know what you’re talking about. >.> 😛

        • The only reason most older hardware is not able to run newer versions of Android is because of manufacturer skins and carrier bloat, both of which are minimal on this device (carrier bloat can be totally disabled through settings). I know for a fact that Motorola’s skin is very light wight on the system and the few enhancements they did make are very appreciated (Moto X camera, always on voice, etc.). Overall there should be no issues with this device going forward as long as Google and Motorola put their best foot forward and at least make an effort to update in a timely fashion.

      • Lucky Armpit

        Absolutely agreed. This is why DL is my only stop for Android news. I’m not sure what people expected, but $200 on-contract isn’t a bad price. I understand specs are important to some people, but jeez, when you’re talking about specs that don’t really matter or can’t tell a difference from one to another (such as 720p vs. 1080p), give the phone a chance. Wait for the reviews. THEN make your decision. That’s what I’m doing between the X and Droid Maxx. Same CPU, same X8 core-thing, same size/type display, etc. I just have to see if a 32GB version is available on Verizon because if not, that will make the decision for me right then and there. 16GB internal with no MicroSD slot just isn’t enough storage for me.

        • GTIguy

          I am not obsessed with specs I just have reasonable expectations. If you are building with lesser components, then the device should not cost the same or near devices with greater components. I would be all over this phone if it were priced accordingly. I will not buy at this price out of principle.

          If I were to build a new PC I would expect that if I chose a dual core CPU instead of a quad core CPU (building with last years components rather than latest and greatest) that it would cost much less, not a similar price.

          • Anno Nymouse

            It’s made in the USA. Phones cost more when adults manufacture them instead of children in impoverished countries.

          • GTIguy

            I’m talking about physical components. Older cost less than newer. It’s not made in the USA, it’s “assembled” in the USA. There’s a big difference.

          • BleepBloop

            I look at it differently. Auto components are sourced from all over the world but you would probably consider a car “assembled” in the USA” as no different than made in the USA. I think its great that they are assembling/making them in the USA.

          • GTIguy

            I understand your argument but made in the USA should mean something and not just be a marketing strategy. Assembled and made mean two different things to me. I see it as a big difference. They are customizing the colors in the USA so they can get you the phone in 5 days or less. That’s the only reason. If there were no customizing the whole process would take place overseas.

          • calculatorwatch

            It’s still more expensive to assemble them in the US which balances out the cheaper components. And they’re not actually “last years components”, they’re still modern just scaled down from the competitors’ phones so Moto really isn’t saving that much money.

            I still think Google should have subsidized this a bit though. Considering Moto’s performance reflects on them as well now and they even took out the SD slot so they could make more money from their cloud services.

          • JasonIvers

            It doesn’t have “lesser components”. It has DIFFERENT components. It has dual-core/720p, but it has two other processors that none of the other things you’re comparing it to have. That’s like saying you expect to pay less because something has a year old CPU, even though it has, say, far better speakers, touch pad, and graphics card. The CPU is only one component, as is the screen… and I’d be willing to bet that they saved a whole $50 at most.

          • GTIguy

            So your saying that 720 is not less than 1080 and a dual core is not less than a quad core? Just different? And if you were to buy a 720 TV that you would expect the same price as a 1080 TV? Keep drinking it up hipster.

          • JasonIvers

            I’m saying the fact that one (or even two) components are lesser doesn’t make the device as a whole “lesser” or “lesser components”. And if I bought a 720p TV with a 240 refresh rate, I would expect to pay the same as a 1080p with a 60, yes.

          • Addison

            I don’t understand why people like you have to constantly bitch about this phone that you HAVEN’T EVEN TOUCHED OR SEEN IN PERSON YET.

            Are you seriously incapable of thinking that maybe, just maybe, this phone had some extra engineering and ingenuity in it and that might be what has raised the cost a bit?

            And, we get it. you don’t like the phone. Great, we don’t need to hear about it. You aren’t adding to the discussion, you are derailing it. Not everybody has to think like you.

          • Nu11x3r0

            Look at it this way if you hold the 1080p television six inches away from your face and do the same with the 720p can you tell the difference? The answer is probably not as your eye can’t tell the difference that close. That also said on a 4.7″ screen I’d trade a slight amount of rez for a huge increase in batt life any day (I have a S2 LTE HD and it barely makes over 24h on a charge with light use). The whole argument against the quad core vs the dual is moot as more processing cores that aren’t used are just power hogs, a well optimized device can make a dual core processor work much better than a poorly optimized quad core. They are not equivalent nor are they better or worse than each other, they are different classes of tech like a moped and a bicycle, you can’t compare them as they aren’t equal but an Olympic cyclist can ride faster than almost any moped.

      • Bi0nic

        This is why the iPhone has been successful. Sure, it may not have the high end specs but it is highly optimized to work with iOS. The result is a smooth experience. On the android side, manufacturers like Samsung and HTC prefer to lay on their own skins and optimization takes a backseat. Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come.

        • LionStone

          The iphone was successful from marketing, I’ll bet the majority of those that bought it or buy it have no idea about the “optimization”.

          • EdubE24

            I would bet the majority of Android users have no clue either!!

          • Eric

            There is barely any android optimization compared to iOS.

          • Skittlez

            on the N4 there is

          • EdubE24

            And like I said the majority of Android users have no clue about that.

          • Nu11x3r0

            This is mostly because with iOS products the hardware and software devs work in the same building. Nexus devices are usually better optimized due to they’re close relationship with Google and now that Motorola is essentially Google I foresee future Moto devices being exceptionally optimized even if only by Android standards.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            But they do know “I tap the screen and what I want happens immediately every time”, which is essentially the same thing.

        • MicroNix

          Ok, new poll:

          OFF CONTRACT:

          1) Moto X
          2) Samsung S4 w/google experience (no skin)
          3) HTC One w/google experience (no skin)

          Assume they are priced nearly identical.

          • kixofmyg0t

            That’s not even fair really. If they have the same experience, and cost the same, you’re left with only hardware power.

            The GPE X *NEEDS* to be below Nexus 4 pricing.

          • JasonIvers

            No it doesn’t… they would sell a hell of a lot of them if it had the same pricing as the Nexus 4, and even quite a few at $100 more.

          • Eric

            Disagree if it’s around the same pricing as the Nexus 4 let alone the One and S4 then nobody would pick the Moto X it doesn’t have as good of specs as any of the other 3.

          • JasonIvers

            I didn’t disagree at all with the One/S4, but I think it has enough difference and interestingness to sell plenty well at Nexus 4 prices (or a little higher).

          • By that logic, the iPhone wouldn’t be selling. Just saying. I think the massive marketing campaign that’s been mentioned numerous times will come into play here.

          • Eric

            We are talking a line of Android phones there is only one iPhone yearly.

          • That’s not the point. Your comment implied that sales are specs based, which clearly isn’t true. There’s MUCH more to consider.

          • piccabo_i_c_u

            because 100% of people care about specs, thats why 70% of people out there have iPhones…

          • Eric

            70%? That is a bit much…

          • Droid22

            You forget this is motorola not google. Motorola has to make money google makes theirs with google play. 🙂

          • MicroNix

            Exactly my point. Those 3 phones exist. Off contract which would you spend your $600 on? Specs do matter. When all of these 3 phones are 2 years old and Android 6.0 is out, which of the 3 do you think will run it faster?

          • michael arazan

            This is what I’m thinking, can this phone stand the test of time to be a 2-3 year device? Is it Future proof up to 3 years?

            Also”
            How long will the battery last
            How good is the speaker
            How good is the network connection
            How big if a deal is customization vs lack of latest hardware, is the trade off worth it?

            none of this has been covered yet, and regular people who budget and families need products that will last a few years

          • MicroNix

            Exactly. Just like PCs, phones are starting to become more than “good enough” to last a longer haul than just 2 years ago. Unless you are what seems to be a typical DL reader that upgrades phones every 6 months, there is more to a phone than what it can run today. Hardware quality is a biggie and one that I’ve not had much luck with Moto on. I’ve had HTC phones in the past that still run today so that’s not bad. And my Samsung S3 that I’ve had over a year now hasn’t had one issue so add that to the list. But Moto phones….they left a really bad taste after owning 3 of them and having all 3 with issues that either caused a replacement or caused me to scrap them.

            And specs, well, if you are in it for the long haul, hell ya they matter! I’ve owned two phones already that didn’t make it to 2 years before they were deemed totally unable to run the next version even by the dev community. Oh they tried and succeeded in making a rom to work, but there’s a rom that works and a rom that works well. It never seemed to get to “works well” because it just couldn’t handle it.

          • E. Tasche

            More important than if the hardware will still be any good, is will there be software available? HTC – NO. They have never supported their devices even up to the one year mark – and they have never been any help to the dev community, yes they make lots of promises but never follow through. Samsung – Maybe, but only through community dev support. Moto X – I cannot predict the future, and they are trying hard to break their old patterns, so I am going to say it is a 50/50 chance between still being usable or it being a paperweight.

          • MicroNix

            I think Samsung actually is got the better chance of staying current. Look how many software versions the S2 has been through! They are truly taking care of the customer now.

          • Frettfreak

            Does it really matter? I mean honestly, when was the last time you kept a phone for 2 years. I know i can personally say i don’t even remember the last time i had a phone for even a year…. I have a One right now and in 6 months (on tmo JUMP) i will upgrade.. maybe this, maybe nexus 5… but i know i wont have any phone longer than 6 months now. I know a lot of people are in teh same boat.

          • Jordan Caviness

            or maybe 330 for 16gb and 370 for 32gb

          • jut754

            I am still not sure. I think I am with everyone else. Literally the only thing REALLY holding me back is not being able to customize on Verizon. I have purchased gelaskins for myself, my wife and my parents because I like the customized look without any added bulk. I just want to customize dammit!

          • Bootleg Zani

            I mean they claim you can customize the Verizon version. We just do not know how long after launch that will be. I bet 6 months at least.

          • Can’t be six months…the phone will be old news by then and no one will think about getting it. I say max 3 months.

          • E. Tasche

            I’d go Moto X without a doubt – I will NEVER buy another HTC device (you could try to give me one and I may very well throw it at your head – they still think their horrible software problem is a marketing problem, and I bet their AOSP kernel is no better) – Samsung just does not have the durability going for it…

            But I just cannot justify the ~$600~ expense for a new phone anymore.. I badly need to replace mine (the radio has some issues and the battery life *extended* is never enough to see me through).

            I think they made my perfect phone with two exceptions: 1) $$!!! 2) No HDMI .. seriously wtf.

          • Micronix

            Durability? You are questioning the durability of Samsung to Motorola? I have owned two Motorola smartphones and the Galaxy S3. I have had numerous hardware quality issues with the Motorola phones and not one with the S3. Is simply not true to say that Motorola phones are higher quality. If fact, in my experience, the opposite couldn’t be anymore true!

          • E. Tasche

            Well, I have had the exact opposite experience.

            My opinion may be skewed on this though, since it is the same as back when they were all making flip-phones still (early 2000’s), though I make a point of pressing the reset button once in a while I may have not cleared away all the leftover bias from past experiences.

            *Keep in mind I am still using a Samsung phone right now, but my next phone will not be.

          • Nu11x3r0

            I’m in the same boat, my S2 LTE HD is still running strong (required a root and CM10 to do so however) but my old Moto RAZR V3i would probably still work to this day if my ex hadn’t of thrown it out after she dropped it in the toilet >:( . I have never had a problem with a Moto product a simple reset wouldn’t solve but every Samsung device I’ve ever used has at minimum required a root or repair early in it’s life.

          • monk

            None of my moto phones have gone down, plus all of them have been caseless… Two Sammy’s didn’t fair well. So you statement is also not true. Just your experience which differ from person to person and how they treat phones…

          • MicroNix

            The OG Droid had digitizers that lasted just beyond the warranty before they started flaking out and died (numerous forum topics on that) and their headphone jacks became loose on 2 of the OGs that I had. On the D3 their physical keyboard was horrible and had so many software issues that I took an upgrade from another line on my account and got out of that POS after upgrade after upgrade from Moto didn’t fix its issues.

            Since I baby my phones, they are treated well. When numerous people post about the same problems in the forums, its much more than just experience differing from person to person 🙂

          • googlephone

            Agree with you. Motorola’s quality is disappointing.

          • Jordan Caviness

            yeah the moto x seems to be a GPe phone

        • carlisimo

          Why am I to believe that this phone has been “optimized” in a way that’s new to Android devices?

    • NeedName

      Only “highly criticized” by a bunch of idiots posting comments that seem to know nothing about the phone other than the price — seems more like competitors minions taking a shot at a new product than legitimate complaints as this article clearly demonstrates.

    • MDtammy

      I’m making $86 an hour working from home. I was shocked when my neighbour told me she was averaging $95 but I see how it works now. I feel so much freedom now that I’m my own boss. This is what I do, http://www.bar28.com

    • Tyson

      Agreed. And you mean criticized by un-informed armchair critics who haven’t used it yet. Anyone who has used it likes it a lot.

      • KleenDroid

        I like almost every phone I only try for a few minutes.

        Even if this an awesome phone it still has a locked boot loader that will never be bypassed.

        That would make it a no go for me, but might be good for my wife.

    • Avery Dejuan Herron

      He is doing it because they are paying him for positive PR lol this phone is a joke, why go backwards and still have pretty much the same price as other high end high spec phones? Blah Blah Blah so what the software is optimized (yea right here comes longer update periods while we wait for the to optimize new software to play nice) they could have done the same thing with better specs! Truth is they are cutting coast and raising profits here and hiding behind marketing! come on down votes I’m waiting on you!

      • Rodien Blindeling

        that’s what apple does with Iphones ..so buy it if you like it or don’t if you don’t

        This phone beatiful …HTC One and now Moto X

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        Perhaps you are downvoted because you are spouting nonsense about a device that you have no idea about the real-world value of?

        As for profits, yep, Motorola is REALLLY raking in the cash. Forget the massive R&D initiative, the focus on actually fixing problems rather than band aiding them, and using engineering and design to create an experience never before seen in the Android community.

        Progress isn’t cheap, nor should the results of that product be. The cost of a device must be not only the sum of its parts, but also balanced against its user experience, and the amount of overhead it took to get it there.

        • Project Mayhem

          Looks like you’re getting the downvotes. lol

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Meh, haters gonna hate. 🙂

        • Avery Dejuan Herron

          I’ve had every major moto phone on verzion and they just keep screwing the over the OG Droid and Bionic were the only to I really Loved they screw the Binoic with the razor which I got anyway but was’t impress, the I got the GS3 and loved it I then Paid full price for the Note 2 because of that love and it was a real improvement over what I had and I will be getting the note three if it is the same quality I have come to respect Samsung for. Now you go ahead and get your moto x phone and 15 days later wish you had waited to get the Moto X Slim HD (720p) in fine print ++ 2 X Phone 🙂

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            The Razr didn’t make the Bionic a worse device, its just different, for a different user. I own both, and they perform equally. In fact, I would say they are better than ever, a rare claim in the smartphone world.

            I’m glad that you are happy with your Samsung devices, but to sit and claim that I’ll have buyers remorse when I haven’t even touched the device is laughable at best. If you don’t like the phone, then don’t get it. It really is that simple. But to go on about how terrible a device is that you have never touched, seen, or used, is just asinine.

            For the record, I thoroughly detest Samsung devices. I had both the Charge and the GNex, and they were utterly terrible experiences. I’m told that the GS3 and GS4 were much better, but I didn’t like the way they felt in hand and I still dislike TouchWiz when I was able to play with a couple, so I didn’t buy them. I much prefer Motorola’s software and hardware designs, and up until the Moto X, nothing seemed a large enough upgrade in overall experience to justify paying full retail (the One came awful close, though).

          • PhillipCun

            major run on sentences. hard to read. not worth my time. no wonder u get a ton of down votes.

      • n11

        Yeah…. You know those demo vids they showed yesterday? The device was faster and better in almost every way compared to other android devices. But whatever, “moar specs is betterer!!!”

      • zachos

        Yeah, and I like how Kellen shared the charts from the GPU benchmarks (where the Moto X shines) but just so happened to omit the CPU benchmark charts from the same Arstechnica article. Come on! Spin much?! (granted, I do see where he said that “it’ll lack some overall power”)

    • Dee

      yeh hes doing it for the love of the phone riiiiiight

    • EatUrCrap

      Honestly my upgrade is in 2 weeks, and no phone looks better to me than this.

  • Hiccup

    The phone is great. The price is bad. Simple as that.

    • BRIM

      How can you honestly say this when the phone isn’t released yet?

      • StankyChikin

        He cant.. From everything I have read, the thing performs right up there with the S4 and One.

      • brkshr

        They’re just pissed that they actually believed a RUMOR. Everyone has been saying for the past month that the phone will be $300 – $400, then it’s not true. Things would have went much better yesterday if someone (from Moto or wherever) actually knocked some sense into people before it’s release, for thinking a phone could be that cheap. Google doesn’t make anything on Nexus devices. Nexus’ are there for a different reason, than to make profit.

  • AndySamberg

    ill be buying the google play version.

  • JonathonFlores

    Only thing I care about… I understand the bootloader is locked…but can it be unlocked. (is it encrypted)?? THAT is the question.

    • We won’t know until developers get it. I’m assuming it’ll be a tough battle as always.

      • JonathonFlores

        I’m willing to spend $250 on it, after reading this article, if I know it is indeed unlockable. I’m sure a few others would as well.

        • Chris Bailey

          Is unlockable that important if it’s running a near pure Android?

          • Guest

            Yeah, especially if you wanna get rid of bloat.

          • decidedtochangename

            Just need root for that, no?

          • Jordan Webb

            Yup. No need to unlock your bootloader to delete a few apps. I probably won’t bother if I pick up a moto phone.

          • JonathonFlores

            Yes. bc I don’t want just stock android. I want all the bells and whistles the devs put on it.

      • decidedtochangename

        Do you know if it is locked on every carrier or just Verizon?

  • RedXander

    A lot of great features but, in the end, it’s still short of the mark for that price. The potential of having a locked down bootloader indefinitely is what really has me bummed. I’m looking at your Verizon/AT&T.

    Hopefully they listen to customer feedback and Moto X.2 improves on some great ideas.

    • EC8CH

      Basically if you want to stand up and vote with your pocketbook for open mobile devices you need to leave Verizon. They are providing no other options.

      • RedXander

        It’s so hard though when I still have an unlimited data plan that my company pays for. It’s a cop-out, I know…

  • Peer Linder

    I count seven, not nine

    • Warwick

      8. Kellex is trying to get us to get one 😛
      9. Kellex is giving one out for free 😀

      • Peer Linder

        seems legit 😀

    • 3 in the last line. 😛

  • Xavier Fields

    i don’t understand all the hate for this phone.
    i like it. yeah the price is high but its made here so i guess that justifies it.

    • Paradisimo

      It’s “assembled” here. Big difference.

    • I don’t understand it either. The price I’m sure shocked some people, and that’s where most of the hate is coming from. Once they saw that, then they started nitpicking everything else.

      My experiences with it so far have been really good. No it doesn’t have a 1080p display or a Snapdragon 600, but honestly, I haven’t cared for a second while using it.

      • marko358

        The customization thing is also a downer. That’s one of the biggest selling points so why only have one carrier offer it? Idiotic decision.

        • MotoRulz

          Agree, Lets just hope that’s only for a short time and the other carriers get it as well..

        • Tyler Casilio

          That’s only for a short time. Verizon said they get it Later in 2013 so probably Late November-December and the phone will be cheaper because it’s around Thanksgivin-I mean Black Friday Eve, probably

        • Yeah, this situation really saddens me. I’d guess we’ll see it for other carriers by the holidays, which seems soooooooo far away. Ugh.

          • marko358

            I have a screen shattered GS2 that I’m dying to replace and I would order this one in a heartbeat if I could customize it. Such a downer.

          • Jack3D

            Just in time for the Moto G to come out…per Sarge.

          • Any chance you could do some digging to see how long the customization exclusivity will last with AT&T? Right now I’m debating using Verizon’s 14 day return policy on phone after phone after phone until I can customize.

            PS I appreciate your viewpoint on how this phone is mean to be compared to the competition. I think people are way too caught up in the spec wars.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            You can only use the 14 day return twice per line and it must be for different devices, so be very careful. Costco would be a much better bet with their 90 day return policy.

          • Thanks for the heads up! Looks like I’ll be heading to Costco.

          • LiterofCola

            Here’s an honest question, since you’ve used both, does this phone have anything besides customization that would make a Verizon customer to prefer it over the new Maxx?

          • Hayden7200

            This is exactly what I want to know! I’m hoping the DL guys do a comparison of the Moto X and the Droid line of phones. So far, I haven’t heard anything about the Moto X that makes me want it over the Droid Maxx. I want to love the X, but a bigger screen and a bigger battery are pretty important to me. And if the Maxx has all the same new features… it’s a no brainer.

          • Skittlez

            it actually looks good?

          • LiterofCola

            Opinion

          • JonathonFlores

            By that time, I would have just picked up the next Nexus.

          • Chase Chick

            Locked bootloader, exclusive to ATT customization, and bloat. That’s what kills me! KILLS ME!!!! Good lord what bad decisions!!!

          • kixofmyg0t

            Every phone has a locked bootloader, only Nexus devices are easily unlocked. The customization is a timed exclusive. It’s coming to Verzion later. Speaking of Verizon, did you really think they would care about that? They have 3 of X’s sister phones to push anyway. So don’t expect too much love for X over at Big Red. Bloat, yeah that’s crappy but it’s standard for anything not labeled a Nexus.

          • Chase Chick

            Honestly I could even deal with the locked bootloader so long as I can attain root, clear out bloat. But the ONE thing we were all promised was CUSTOMIZATION. No excuse for this not happening. None whatsoever.

          • kixofmyg0t

            I personally don’t care about the customization, as I *REALLY* love the “kevlar white”(that’s really it’s name) standard carrier color the best anyway.

            However the customizations are an AT&T timed exclusive. They will come to Verizon later this year. Oh and if you use MotoMaker the boot loader is unlocked.

            Source: Engaget-

            “It’s important to note that all custom models sold through Moto Maker
            will ship four days from the time of order (made possible by the Ft.
            Worth, TX manufacturing facility) and arrive with unlocked bootloaders.
            If you choose to go the carrier route, only T-Mobile and Sprint will be
            offering unlocked models from the jump.”

          • Gnex

            THE BOOTLOADER WILL BE UNLOCKED??? *gets happier*

          • Skittlez

            this could be it for us Nexus users!

          • Gnex

            My thoughts exactly. My Gnex needs some rest.

          • Skittlez

            no one said it’s not unlockable. just that it comes locked, which all phones do. give it a bit. the phone was just announced

          • ~dArK.AnGeL

            I might just wait for customization to arrive to Verizon; & by that time we’ll have the Super Ultra Maxx MOTO X;.. .:)

          • Tyson

            THIS is the only thing that is a downer for me. WHHHHHYYYY do phone makers do this?

          • ceejw

            Did Motorola give you any indication of how long the AT&T customization exclusivity is? I’m looking at getting a One if it comes out this month but If I can customize a Moto X on Verizon by mid October I may wait for that.

        • anezarati

          hopefully this phone will be $99 on contract when motomaker is made available for other carriers.

          • marko358

            doubtful but I’m cynical in nature

          • Steven Berger

            Why would that be? I think you are WAY to optimistic. Prices don’t just change that easily.

        • jose

          Motorola continues to do everything wrong. ATT obviously gave them a sweet incentive to offer that as an exclusive for a limited time but if Moto REALLY wanted to change the game they would have denied the deal and gone with customizations on every carrier from the day this phone dropped.

        • Skittlez

          at launch. Verizon already said they’ll have customization by the end of the year

      • Xavier Fields

        isn’t the bootloader locked?

        • Tyler Casilio

          Yes

          • Xavier Fields

            okay. i didn’t know that. still think it’s a cool device but that is a gamebreaker for me

          • ddpacino

            Average Joes don’t care.

          • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

            Yes, but we do. Carrier/Manus haven’t been exactly on the ball with updates, and an unlockable bootloader is a huge boon to many of us. If not for AOSP ROMs, my SGS3 would still be running 4.1.2, but as it is now I have a rock-solid stable CM 4.2.2 installation that runs smoother and gets better battery life than the TouchWiz 4.1.2.

          • ddpacino

            This ‘we’, are the geeks niche right? Quite small compared to the other hundreds of millions of regular folk they’re trying to sell to.

          • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

            Yes, we the geeks. That is exactly what my first sentences said. Look around on this message board and it’s obvious people do care. Average Joe doesn’t, but long-time readers of droid-life.

            I really wish Google could release a new GNex on VZW. 🙁

          • Steven Webb

            Doesn’t pretty much every phone come with a locked bootloader, that just gets unlocked later on? The only phone I’ve had that I can remember not having one was the GNex. My Droid X did, got an unlock for that, my GNote2 did and that’s unlocked as well now. I’m on VZW btw.

          • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

            Depends. Some of them are hacked around to be unlocked. That doesn’t mean it gets a good feed of AOSP though. A natively unlockable phone running AOSP would be ideal as it would allow for much cleaner and stable ROMs out of the gate. SGS3 took months before the various radio issues were ironed out for AOSP.

            HTC Rezound still doesn’t have fully stable AOSP ROMs. Crashes and lock-ups are known issues.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            According to Engadget, the ones ordered directly from MotoMaker will be unlockable, which does give me some hope.

          • jt

            sim unlockable I imagine, big difference

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            “It’s important to note that all custom models sold through Moto Maker will ship four days from the time of order (made possible by the Ft. Worth, TX manufacturing facility) and arrive with unlocked bootloaders. If you choose to go the carrier route, only T-Mobile and Sprint will be offering unlocked models from the jump. Additional developer versions, plus an unlocked Google Play model will be made available at a later date. Oh, and it requires a nano-SIM, too.”

            http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/01/motorola-moto-x-preview/

          • Skittlez

            no, they said “will ship with unlocked bootloaders”

        • lgreg64

          This phone is not for geeks. the average person will not care

        • kixofmyg0t

          Most every phone or tablet comes with a locked bootloader. Even Nexus devices ship with the bootloader locked. Now the question is, is it unlockable? Id say it’s encrypte just like the Galaxy S4’s and One is.

          You have to realize that unless it says Nexus on the back, it’s gonna be locked. Regardless of OEM.

          You could always wait for the Google Play Edition though. Hopefully it will be at sane pricing I.E. not $600+ like the GS4 and One GPE’s are.

          • UpdatesFromHTCAreAJoke

            We can dream! 🙁

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            I expect it to drop in @ $550, based on the DROID off-contract prices ($500 = Mini, $600 = Ultra, $650 = Maxx).

          • Skittlez

            now lets hope they do a google Play edition on Verizon this time

        • Skittlez

          you can get it unlocked from motorola – per engadget

      • radiohead14

        if the battery life claim is indeed true in real world use and the camera is as good as samsung’s.. then count me in!

        • ddpacino

          I’m sure it will hit or come very close. Wait for the reviews. Should see the first ones within a week or so.

          • kixofmyg0t

            I just saw some last night hold up ill find it.

          • ddpacino

            T
            he unlocked off contract and/or GPe versions might be bootloader unlocked. We’ll have to see.

          • kixofmyg0t

            http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/01/motorola-moto-x-preview/

            Quote “It’s important to note that all custom models sold through Moto Maker
            will ship four days from the time of order (made possible by the Ft.
            Worth, TX manufacturing facility) and arrive with unlocked bootloaders.
            If you choose to go the carrier route, only T-Mobile and Sprint will be
            offering unlocked models from the jump.”.

        • kixofmyg0t
          • radiohead14

            not bad.. but details are not as good as the rest and colors seem a bit washed out on some of them. take the last set with the flower for instance.. you could see the rain drops more clearly and the colors pop more on the rest. i hope this isn’t finalized software. on a side note.. i find it surprising that the s4 had a bit of trouble with focusing on some of those.

      • zepfloyd

        It isn’t the specs, it’s the intangibles. Moto for all intents and purposes is dead to the world at large. People want to see Moto succeed. This phone is supposed to be the beginning of their comeback and the reality is even though it’s a well polished product it still isn’t compelling enough to compete against similar/better (subjective) devices who are spending TONS more on marketing and ecosystem. If Google didn’t own them, would they have garnered any mindshare attention at all with the X?

        • ddpacino

          “who are spending TONS more on marketing and ecosystem.”

          First of all, it hasn’t been marketed yet. 2nd, I think $500M, rumored, is on par or more than most devices being sold right now. Way to be an uninformed dunce spreading FUD.

          • Jack3D

            Because you know what the marking budget was for Samsung, HTC, LG and Apple?

            Source please…

          • ddpacino
          • Jack3D

            Which shows Samsung (you know the LARGEST DEVICE OEM ON THE PLANET) was the only one who came close. Apple was 1/3 less and HTC (in the US) was 1/10th. And Apple makes tablets too along with an app ecosystem, to include in that marketing.

            Not sure where you’re going there…hardly proves “FUD”.

          • WickedToby741

            I believe I remember seeing a statistic that pegged Samsung with a total marketing budget north of $350 million and Apple somewhere around $300 million. And that was for ALL of their respective products, so including Macs for Apple and everything from appliances and TVs to the umpteen different S4 variants for Samsung. Don’t have a source, just vaguely remember seeing something along those lines. If true though, Motorola is essentially spending a lot more on what is basically a single product. Even if those other numbers were for the iPhone and S4 alone, Google/Motorola is still outspending them.

          • Jack3D

            Exactly.

          • NeedName

            Apple spent $1 billion on marketing in 2012 — not hard to find.

          • zepfloyd

            “Way to be an uninformed dunce spreading FUD”

            Name calling surely must be the easiest way to win a discussion….with a rumored number out of thin air response. Nice. Even if that number is true, You severely underestimate how successful Samsung is these days. In some cases their Galaxy brand value (worth tens of Billions by financial estimates) even outranks Google itself. Throwing money at it, like Microsoft tried and failed to do with Surface isn’t the answer for the X. At the end of the day the product has to justify itself amongst it’s peers (other Android phones in this case) and even compete with itself on the US’s largest carrier , Verizon, with 3 DROID branded phones being pushed by Verizon with the same internals as the X largely and in some cases more compelling features like smaller size or bigger battery. It’s a big uphill battle.

      • Jack Hoffman

        The hate is coming from hype and rumors. We all thought we were getting a unicorn, but got a thoroughbred horse with a toilet paper tube stuck to its head, instead.

        It’s a great device in and of itself, but for S4/One pricing, people expect the top-end features. Instead they got a phone tailored to “experience” (sound familiar?). Android users don’t know what to do with that, as we’ve only known features (“Can your iPhone do this?”) for so long.

        I’m disappointed in the price, for sure. But I’ll still get it. The only features it’s really lacking are the wireless charging (should be in every high-end phone), no photospere (really?), 16GB exclusivity, and customization exclusivity. Everything else is just megahertz wars all over again. If I really can’t tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, does it matter?

        • NemaCystX

          I think Bionic should be the blame here for the hate after hypebeasting the thing to death and the never ending use of “Sarge said this, Sarge said that” blah blah blah. That kind of stuff gets people all hyped then set up for disappointment because of it.

        • Jordan Webb

          But it has the features, too. That OK Google Now schtick is as close to a killer feature as they come. Not sure why everyone is glossing over it.

        • SA_NYC

          Horse with toilet paper tube for a horn, ha, great analogy!

          The net of all this, to my mind, is that the X is the iPhone of Android–a solid, carefully-engineered phone that focuses on the overall uses experience (including battery life) and that’s targeted squarely at the average consumer. Nothing wrong with that; those consumers will probably be very satisfied with this device. (And I’ve never had an issue with the iPhone, it’s a great phone, just not for me.)

          The X probably isn’t a phone nerd’s delight and this site is obviously for our segment of the population. So plenty of us are not crazy-excited, but intrigued enough that, if the X were cheap enough, we’d probably take a flyer on it. But it isn’t cheap, it’s standard pricing, which means it’s a phone you have to seriously commit to. And since it’s not a phone nerd-friendly device, most of us probably don’t want to make that level of commitment to it. But some of us still will go with the X. All good.

          • zionlion02

            If I could up vote this more I would. Well said.

      • Xious

        I would actually prefer a 720p device to save battery and processing power. People don’t notice the difference between 720p and 1080p on a ~5″ screen unless they are absolutely nitpicking.

        • Skittlez

          exactly, if you’re above 300ppi, you won’t even be able to tell anyway

      • Eric

        No offence K but you also thought the processor in the Gnex was great in your review and then you changed your tune a few months later.

      • IMO, the price is justified the most by the customization options. Being able to choose the colors of the front, back, and accents is freaking amazing. I love the fact that I would be able to essentially make my own phone from scratch, not have to have a case over it, and I will probably never see a soul that has a phone which looks like mine. It’s all about exclusivity folks.

        • GTIguy

          There aren’t that many options and people will have the same physical setup. You are exactly the person Motorola is targeting. “OOOHHH, I can haz it in pink with orange highlights!!!” Big deal. Buy a case because you’re going to need it with those rounded glass corners. Yes, I have seen the clear plastic cases that can be purchased through Moto but have you seen how clear plastic cases scuff and looks like crap after little time?

          • Okay, douche:

            First off, I am not one of the people who wants a pink phone. I really don’t know what color combo I would choose, but the beauty of it is that they currently have 308 different color combinations to pick from, and they will constantly add more. With that many combinations, odds are I will never see anyone with a phone that looks like mine.

            Secondly, I don’t use cases. Call me what you want, but I prefer the feel of the actual phone, not some plastic or rubber case which just adds weight. You don’t need a case if you actually take care of your device. I’ve had my DNA for 4 months already and have yet to scratch it in any way; no case and no screen protectors.

            Getting back to the first, and most important point: there are A LOT of different combinations that can be made. For you to say there are not is just ignorant.

      • jose

        That’s the thing. You’re speaking with an OBVIOUS Motorola-bias here. Would you stand up for any other under-spec’d phone the same way you’re doing with the X? Me thinks no.

        • kixofmyg0t

          Motorola-bias? Dude have you read his reviews of Moto devices? He’s actually brutally honest about them. A tad harsh even.

          Is it so hard to believe that the user experience of X is good enough that a person can enjoy the phone?

          • jose

            Gimme a break. Read this article. zOMG it has noise canceling mics. zOMG it has new wifysss. zOMG it has a custom shaped battery that I can’t even see but it’s so zOMG.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            How about you read the article again. He was pointing out features of the phone you might not know where there. Nothing more.

          • kixofmyg0t

            False.

            i didn’t see one zOMG in the entire article. I get it, you don’t like the phone, you will never like the phone. That’s ok. We all have our preferences. I personally think it’s a great phone….just a tad expensive next to the XT1080’s. i mean the DROID Mini is everything X is with a slightly smaller screen….and it’s $100 cheaper. Who controlled that? Verizon.

          • jose

            Wrong. I liked the phone. I still like the phone. But like the majority of folks here I don’t like the the price. Let’s face it. These days specs matter. And so does price. When specs don’t line up to the price people complain. On Verizon, why would somebody choose this over the new Droid lineup?

          • kixofmyg0t

            i agree specs matter. But to me, battery life and user experience matter WAY more than bullet points on paper.

            EDIT. To add to your second point, i don’t understand why anyone would choose the standard DROID Ultra over this.

          • jose

            So then you’re buying the new Droid Maxx??? 🙂 Assuming you’re on Vzw…

          • Jordan Webb

            Thinner, redder, and an extra half inch of usable screen space. I’d prefer the X too, but the Ultra is a little different at least.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Its only an extra .3″. Sorry, but I’m not into the whole “usable space” theory, as people count the persistent status bar as “unwasted” space. So, to discount the onscreen keys is a little perplexing to say the least.

          • Jordan Webb

            I don’t mind on-screen keys. I have a Gnex, after all. I’m not going to kid myself and say that it doesn’t remove useful screen space though. If you open a browser window on the X and put it next to an Ultra, the browser window gets an extra 0.5″ worth of screen to exist on the Ultra. Whether that’s good or not is up in the air…it’s just a fact.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Specs only matter because Android has always been a case of “better specs = better experience”. Motorola is saying “our experience is the exact same (or better), our price is the same”. They don’t think specs *should* matter, and that tech has gotten to a place where it doesn’t. The true value of a device, and therefore its acceptable price, is based on the experience the specs provide, not the specs themselves.

            Edit: Also, as for your second question, I’m going with the Moto X over the Maxx because I much prefer its design (rounded back, smaller bezels, onscreen keys, smaller screen) and customizability (I’m waiting for it to be available on Moto Maker before buying).

          • jose

            Agreed. BUT, if you’re using older / outdated components, is it not reasonable for a consumer to see that reflected in the price? I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            This SoC isn’t old or outdated though. Its brand-new, just like the one in the new Nexus 7. It is for all intents and purposes a dual-core Snapdragon 600. It performs at or above its contemporaries in every single benchmark save for CPU, which is certainly acceptable if the battery life is appreciably better.

            Motorola wants to have the iPhone of the Android world, the default device for people who want a device that works the way the want when they want, and don’t care about specs, which is a significantly large portion of the consumer base. Interestingly enough, their competitors not advertising specs has helped them immensely in that regard.

          • kixofmyg0t

            You’re saying it’s older/outdated because the main chip is a dual core. i get it.

            It’s worth noting though that those 2 cores are Krait 300’s, like the Snapdragon 600/800 and not the older Krait 200 from the S4 Plus. It’s flat out wrong to call it “old” or “outdated” since it’s a new design. Now is it out muscled by the 600 and 800? Yeah! does it show in the UX? Not really.

      • Scott Huddleston

        So why get this over the Razr Ultra?

        • kixofmyg0t

          I personally think it’s better than the standard Ultra. Higher pixel density and better feel in hand. They’re the same phone just with a different screen.

          Now the REAL bargain it the Mini. It’s a 4.3″ X for $99.

    • Curtis

      To someone who has unlimited data on Verizon this is going to be an expensive device. Otherwise, I paid $300 for my DNA and I was (it’s broken thanks to my kid) very happy with it. I will be taking an upgrade from someone else to get this phone (I do not like the look of anything else on Verizon now) because I have reverted back to my GNex while I wait this out.

    • MafiaMM

      It’s ASSEMBLED here which is nothing special that if ALL the parts where made here. Who goes out and buys a phone without caring for the price? Probably a rich person but for the middle class, price is at the top of the list. Specs come second to Price and if the price is too high, nothing else matters.

      • Alex Goings

        But it is also designed here because moto is an american company.

        • MafiaMM

          Design? Are you kidding………………….How does designing a phone here in the US justify the price?

          • Alex Goings

            I’m not saying that it happening here would cause the price to increase. But I would be willing to pay more to support the american economy, and support an american company over the asian ones.

          • Apple explicitly states on all of their products that they were “Designed by Apple in California” and they are uhh pricey.

          • MafiaMM

            Their pricey because of Apple fanboy brainwash. They HAVE an ESTABLISHED fan base who’s dedicated to buying everything and anything from Apple. Android however is a much more bigger and diverse competition/fan base area. As a Android consumer, I DON’T have a favorite brand that I like because they all carry the same system.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Umm, iPhones have been the same price since the first launch. They sell an experience, and the device that enables it. There has yet to be an Android device that “nails it” in the balance of features, battery life, size, and experience. If Motorola has done that (and early reports state that it may very well have done so), then it may be the biggest bargain in the Android world, regardless of cost.

            And I want you to place a Motorola, LG, Samsung, and HTC device next to each other and try to tell me that they are all the same. Just because they are all Android-based, being able to run the same apps does not mean they are close to the same system.

          • MafiaMM

            Talk about not reading my comment directly. Apple is ONE type of system. You don’t see multiple phones from other companies with the Apple system.

            And I for my Android comment, it was that there are many Android-based phones people can choose from. Their all the same Android-based system but with different specs so people have more variety to choose.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Ah, I thought you were talking about devices, not ecosystem.

            Carry on then.

    • j

      It’s all about the price, and the fact that you could purchase a very comparable device, with arguably better specs, months ago for the same amount.

      • ddpacino

        Specs != better performance and Experience if not optimized, which most phones aren’t.

      • Xious

        Well, take the comparable device and put it side-by-side with the Moto X. If the run exactly the same, take exact same pictures, play games exactly the same, etc., then your argument is valid. However, if the Moto X and it’s two other processors and quad-core GPU and everything else puts it above that comparable device, then your argument means nothing.

        • ddpacino

          THIS.

    • chaoslimits

      It’s more expensive than we were led (read: lied) to believe. Personally, I’ll buy the Moto X if it has two things – Dev support, and an unlockable bootloader.
      Check those boxes and the Moto X looks like it’s shaping up to be a great buy.

      • Xious

        If we get these two things, then the Moto X will be my next phone and will probably keep me happy for the next couple years. Dev support and unlockable bootloader are really the only things that have kept me happy with my GNex.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        Judging by the report regarding a cheaper device that Dennis Woodside mentioned, I think the price report got incorrectly attached to this device, rather than their upcoming less expensive model. So, not so much lying per se, but understandably confused since nobody quite knows if Moto X is a brand or a specific device.

    • 2Berad

      If I could +10 this I would… Moto X is going to be a great phone for for more than just the Android ROM and Spec centric crowed. I really want to see the real life battery performance before I make my decision. I will be getting a Droid Maxx or Moto X.

  • mjmedstarved

    Still keeping my GS4 until something better comes.

    • Curtis

      This is not a bad decision… you basically just got this phone.

      • mjmedstarved

        While this is true, I only really got the S4 to hold me over until Moto brought out a BAMF… well, I’m let down for sure.

        Not that this phone is a bad phone but, no sd slot, lower resolution screen AND camera… Meh.

        • Curtis

          I would think you would notice a difference in screen res going from your S4 to this, so that’s legit.

          The screen on my DNA was better than anything I have ever used before, until the screen shattered.

        • KleenDroid

          I also purchased a couple S4s at full price. It’s a great phone and especially since I have it rooted with the bootloader bypassed. The roms are pretty good so far and can also run the Google Play Edition when I feel like it.

          But I would have purchased the new X if it at least had a bootloader that could be bypassed for complete control and the best rom experiences. But Moto phones are very well locked down. Simple root is not enough for me.

          I would have purchased it at any price.

          If Google or Moto would leak a bypass I would be in this phone up to my tits.

    • Bill Hill

      Note 3

      • mjmedstarved

        Wish I could get that new forty something megapixel Nokia on Verizon running android.. that would be dope.

        • WickedToby741

          Going to be honest, seems kind of gimmicky to me. Most pictures you take are only 5 megapixel anyways and you have to use a PC to extract the 36 megapixel ones. At that point doesn’t it make more sense to just buy a dedicated camera with more features and options? Just seems to me if you care that much about photos that you’ll just carry a dedicated camera anyways.

          • zionlion02

            to be fair, the Pureview has full manual camera controls. There aren’t going to be much more features and options outside of a DSLR. And the lossless zoom is crazy good with the 41MP. You wouldnt need those to be used on our phone anyway – you’d never notice the quality on a screen that small, no?

  • MafiaMM

    Moto X: 9 Things You May Not CARE About Motorola’s New Flagship

    • Peer Linder

      exactly 😀

    • KG

      You must have missed the paragraph about the revolutionary noise canceling mic! /s

    • Curtis

      Was nothing he wrote about intriguing to you?

      • MafiaMM

        None of those “things” are at the top of the list of importance as their is price and carrier options. The ONLY good thing I read about that was the extra LTE antenna

        • decidedtochangename

          So performance and battery life don’t matter?

          • ddpacino

            They matter on any phone, and suddenly not this phone. I can’t put up with the geeks — always something to complain about.

          • MafiaMM

            1) Price

            2) Everything else

          • ddpacino

            To average customers, same on-contract price they’re used to.

          • MafiaMM

            That’s true. I paid $200 for my Bionic ON-Contract but seeing as how I’m looking for an OFF-Contract phone, I’m trying to turn into a more intelligent average customer

        • Curtis

          …so, 8 Things You May Not Care About…

    • Cory_S

      Come on guys. This phone has every spec that matters on performance you will actually notice, and cuts all the superficial things that just drain your battery. I haven’t made up my mind if it’s worth 600 retail or not…but I will say the “gimmicks” on this phone seem to have much more utility than the competition.

      • geedee82

        I, along with many others on this site, would be much more likely to buy this phone if they simply got rid of all the gimmicks and instead just unlocked the bootloader or lowered the off-contract price.

        • Alan Fortte

          I’ve actually heard that the unsubsidized price on AT&T is $574.99.
          🙁 hopefully it’s less.

      • MafiaMM

        The price though. The price!! It’s just too high for this phone. And the gimmicks being used that are somehow only AT&T exclusive just make things worse.

        • Cory_S

          I feel that the always listening microphone is a really huge feature. I’d use it all the time in the mornings before putting my contacts on and groggily getting out of bed. I also think modders wil go wild with it, I can see it tapping into my home automation system and being a killer feature.

          I also really like what I’m hearing about the build quality and design too.

          If you just put specs to the side for a moment and compare it to any other flagship phone based on perceived quality, and performance I think it will stand up just fine.

          • zionlion02

            I’m with you on this. I honestly am pretty shocked at the reactions on this site (sort of). But again, it’s the whole “locked bootloader” and “removable battery” segment and arguments. Droid-Life users are less than 1% of the phone user base, give or take. The ones that actually comment are of course even less than that. Motorola has developed an awesome phone, with mass market appeal, specs that are lower but with higher performance (something the iPhone has always been praised for, even begrudgingly by us) – not to mention a crazy amount of customization which has NEVER been seen on a phone. It seems that collectively, this community is very narrow minded in its wishes and thinking. And that’s OK, but we can’t expect that a company will develop a product for just us. There is no profit in it AT ALL.

            More about the customization – it’s insanely expensive for a manufacturer to offer that. Think about this. Nike offers what they call NikeID. A way to make custom soccer cleats. I think it’s awesome. A regular cleat, premade, might be slightly less quality (think standard moto phone) and cost 70 bucks. But the NikeID ones cost 130.00. And are worth it. That’s almost a 100% markup. They HAVE to do that because there is no predictability in the production or supply chain and some colors and combos will only be used once. Not to mention the modern machinery that is needed to be able to custom print all these colors on the shoe materials are more expensive.

            I’m personally pretty excited for this phone. I want to see reviews of real world performance, but the ability to completely customize the look of my phone (no sheep here) and also have something like a dark teak wood back or something like that? I think it’s awesome and changes how consumers will look at a phone.

            Little wordy but just some food for thought. It’s been interesting seeing the vehement and the moderate here in the comments the lat couple days.

    • AxemRed

      I thought most of them were pretty interesting. I’ll probably buy this assuming reviews are good.