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Modders Aim to Fix Nexus 5 Camera Before Google, Release Flashable Zip With All Sorts of Tweaks

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Early reports (and even our own personal experiences) suggest that the Nexus 5 camera, even with its Optical Image Stabilization, isn’t exactly on par with other top tier smartphone cameras. We wish that it was, but also aren’t exactly surprised as Nexus phones coupled with the stock Android camera app have universally been panned over the years. Google mentioned earlier this week that a fix could be on the horizon, however, modders over at XDA have taken matters into their own hands. 

Developer Jishnu Sur released a flashable .zip file that replaces the stock camera app with a camera app that enables all sorts of tweaks and potentially improves the camera dramatically. According to Sur, this new camera app turns on Stereo sound recording with the secondary mic, speeds up focusing, adjusts the focus range, has enhanced Smooth Zoom, records 720p through the front camera, and more.

Since it’s a .zip file that needs to be flashed in recovery, you’ll need to have an unlocked bootloader and root, with a custom recovery. We have instructions for each of those here and here.

Here is the full changelist:

1) Sound Recording now in Stereo with the secondary Mic.
2) Faster Focusing for the camera.
3) Front Camera also records 720P Videos@ 20 Mb/s.
4) Front camera Audio Bitrate@ 192000 Kb/s.
5) AntiBanding default set to 50Hz
6) Focus Range Adjusted.
7) Enhanced Smooth Zoom .
8) Turned Edge Enhancement ON.

We have yet to test this new camera, but will give it a shot this weekend. Also, there is a stock camera .zip file at the XDA thread below, so if you decide you don’t like the modded version, you can always return back to stock.

To find files and instructions, hit up the source link below.

Via:  XDA

Cheers Jeff!

  • nrs21974

    Actually. Nowhere in that thread does it say both mics will be used for stereo recording.
    I am literally ill after knowing I bought a high dollar phone that cant
    even record in stereo. HD recording should actually be at least 5
    speakers! But this isnt even stereo! To make it even worse the mono
    sound recoded is at 96kb. LOL 128kb isnt even good for mp3’s! Google, a
    multi billion dollar corporation feels they need to take away stereo in
    HD recording? Last google phone Ill get. Shoulda went with the GS4.. The
    phones is really fast. But why if all the capabilities are narrowed
    down to CPU power. The Camera sucks. The mic’s suck. Where is the HD in
    this High definition phone? To me its a waste even at its lower price. Just sayin

  • GrebGoneBad

    Google…WHY U NO USE BIGGER BATTERY!?
    Seriously though, I couldnt care less if they bring out a camera update (ALthough it would certainly be nice) providing they improve battery life first. My N5 still struggles to last a day of moderate use even after performing several drain charges to wear the battery in.

  • JB

    The camera is SH*T… absolutely pathietc. My iPhone 4S camera is better… and the sad thing is I purchased the Nexus 5 with the intention of giving Google and Android a shot (over iOS)

    • DiamondAvatar

      The Nexus 5 camera does not define Android.

  • trophyhasevensmallernuts

    damn, never tried trolling before but this is fun…

  • trophyhasevensmallernuts

    fanbois are wankers! android rulez!!

  • atan420

    Any chance this could work on other aosp-based roms?

  • markgbe

    i don’t have any “issues” with my N5….

  • phissith

    If only Note 3 comes with OIS!!

  • jimv1983

    Good news. Hopefully Google will do some similar things in an update. I’d love to have this but not willing to root my phone and flash new software. I’d much rather keep my warranty and not risk bricking the phone.

  • TrevorKai

    While reading everyone’s comments (and slightly enjoying a few) the question still remains: has anyone flashed this camera app onto their N5?

  • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

    iOS fight!!!!

  • ericshmerick

    Stopped reading at “bootloop here.” Lol

  • Tim Buchanan

    This is why I’m done buying Nexus stuff – because they are in constantly in need of fixing.

    • jim

      i’lll never buy another one, they are a joke,

  • Jishnu Naparajito Sur

    Guys I’m the Dev of this things. First of all please stop fighting for Android and Apple.
    Second, I haven’t got this device yet.. Third, G2 camera is tough to port! fourth, I released a new Version :)

    • Peter Sommerfeld

      Cool! Sooo … are the low-light problems fixable with software? That’s my pressing question …

      • Jishnu Naparajito Sur

        Yes,,They should be fixed..

  • Skittlez

    from what i’ve seen, the nexus doesn’t have a bad camera. just not the best. why when the Moto X came out, and the camera was bad, did people only say, “there will be a fix out for it eventually, i’m sure.” and that phone off-contract is $600. but a $350 Nexus gets so much more criticism. we all know that no one is going to be looking at this phone for the camera, but it’s not as bad as people are making it out to be

  • jim

    typical Nexus, lay down your hard earned money for it, then you have to make it work like it should have right out of the box

  • jim

    is anyone really surprised that a nexus has a bad camera ? lol

  • BobbyG

    So why can’t all the geniuses at Google do this to begin with?

    • Peter Sommerfeld

      Their arrogance stops them. Harsh but I think it’s the truth. Arrogance brought blackberry down, it cut Apple down to size, and it’ll cut Google down to size (or already is).

  • giron

    Has anyone had any severe under exposure issues in regards to panoramas and photospheres on the N5? The regular camera exposes just fine.

  • Droid Ronin

    Isn’t this what CM Focal was supposed to do?

    • Walter Partlo

      Improve the N5 camera? ;-)

    • Drome

      focus currently isnt working properly on the N5.. needs to be optimized for the device. I imagine it will be updated soon

  • CARPDM

    question- can’t someone just pull the camera app from the HTC one and put it on N5? Are there other reasons this would not work, since seems like that’s the best android camera?

    • Matthew Rebmann

      Drivers and other such things that I’m not very well versed in. If I remember correctly, a lot of OEM’s apps tend to be tied into their user interface in some funny way. IE: the camera can’t work properly without the gallery, or some non-sense like that. I could be very wrong or over-simplifying it, but that was my understanding.

      And on the drivers side of things, they aren’t open sourced either.

      Someone feel free to better elaborate or correct me altogether.

    • Drome

      I am using the moto x apk on the N5 and the pictures are MUCH better. The mod mentioned in this post is crap. the dude who made it doesnt even have a N5 yet. He just adjusted a few variables and called it a mod.

  • Drome

    flashed this yesterday.. it doesnt do much. I am using the moto x camera apk and it drastically improved the camera performance. Google to needs to hurry up and fix the stock camera apk on the N5 though, it shouldn’t come to this.

    • http://androidforums.com/members/kwest12.html kwest12

      I can’t believe I had to dig this far through the comments to find a quick review of the flash. Thanks for suggesting an alternative, too.

      • Drome

        http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2515957 for moto X apk.. need to be running dalvik and not ART

        • A.Miller

          Stupid question, but what do you mean “need to be runing dalvik and not ART?”

          • Drome

            With kit Kat you can switch to a different run time called art which Google will eventually switch android to fully to replace dalvik.
            Some apps aren’t fully compatible yet and the moto x camera apk is one of them since it is deodexed.

    • Peter Sommerfeld

      Does it fix low-light shots? If so, what’s the real problem with low-light shots?

  • http://www.twitter.com/nblufire12 Nathan Patel

    i think video is 2Mbps and audio is 192Kbps?

    • phissith

      Talking bout audio, sound from the speaker does suck doesn’t it?

  • Don Crist

    Ahh the joys of having a open source phone! All hail NEXUS!

  • joejoe5709

    Would this by chance work on other phones? Work on 4.3? Seriously thinking about getting a G2 and putting CM on it. A fancy stock-ish camera app would make CM more appealing.

    • Sankyou

      This exact mod would not work but the guy that wrote it originally wrote something similar for a different phone – so yes.

  • DanSan

    safe to assume the nexus 5 camera doesnt have a setting to save to sdcard right? only thing holding me back from flashing on my GS4

    • yankeesusa

      sd card? What?

      • DanSan

        i know right… thats like unspeakable for some phones. all a guy wants is a photosphere camera with sd card support. killing me

        granted everything gets auto uploaded to dropbox it shouldnt be that big of an issue.

    • DanSan

      lol downvoted for it. love it.

  • John Murray

    Wonder if this would work on the N4 as well.

  • Liderc

    Why can’t google just get a camera right? Doesn’t make sense that they failed to make a solid camera after 5 attempts. The G2 has a good camera, why didn’t they just use the G2 camera? It’s one thing I just haven’t understood about the Nexus program.

    • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

      Just venturing a guess here, but the 8MP camera is probably a little bit cheaper than the 13MP camera AND the LG camera app is proprietary. i know, MP aren’t everything. You’re right, they aren’t, but they do make a difference when paired with the right software.

    • jose

      I don’t think it has anything to do with hardware these days, it’s software. The G2 would have LG’s camera software while the N5 uses Google’s pathetic attempt. I don’t get it either. It’s like they don’t give a crap. It’s no secret. The whole world rags on Google’s camera software yet they refuse to improve it.

      • Sankyou

        This. 1000x. This.

      • Liderc

        But the same question applies. If the hardware isn’t the problem, why have they failed 5x with camera software? With cameras being one of the most important things on a smartphone these days (to a lot of people at least), you would think it would be one of their top priorities to straighten out any camera software bugs.

        • jose

          My best guess, they don’t care. Just like Motorola’s history in the camera department. People apparently haven’t made enough noise about it for Google to care. People continue to buy their products regardless. This is something they could EASILY fix.

          • Liderc

            I think people have made a ton of noise about their poor cameras. I mean, that’s one reason the iPhone has been such a great seller, its camera is incredible. Moto has also been crucified because of their cameras. There’s really no reason for Google to have a poor camera with such a killer device (N5).

          • jose

            I agree. I really have no idea why they won’t fix it. You’d think their flagship phone responsible for showcasing their latest OS to the world would be their best attempt. This is why we need OEM skins, to fix and improve on what Google ignores.

    • Skittlez

      it’s not as bad as people are making it out to be.

      http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-5-initial-photo-and-video-samples

      remember. this is a $350 phone

  • Mav6

    The Dev community is amazing.
    For the folks who claim the N5 screen is washed out or whatever else they pull out from thin air.. Have a good day…

    http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/11/7/5078286/nexus-5-new-king-of-color-accuracy

    • jbdan

      I love the N5 screen. I’ve had gs3 and gs4 (n4 too) as my last phones and the N5 is so easy on the eyes

    • Nick V

      The screen is awesome. I also love the screen on my N7 (2013) too.

    • phissith

      qUESTION do you have light bleeding on the left side of the screen? Mine has it and I can see it from 3 separate spots

  • trophynuts

    The newest rumor is that the Nexus 6 is going to have an all new 8sp camera. Not mp, but sp. Suck Pixels.

    • Sankyou

      Nexus 6? trophynuts leaked it first

      • Cael

        made by HTC, the Nexus 6 will be based off the HTC One max with the sucky 4 UP camera.

    • Nayners

      Lame comment is lame.

    • JBartcaps

      That was a very feeble attempt at getting upvotes

      • trophynuts

        don’t worry it will also come with plenty of “jank” as Tim from DroidLife calls it.

        • Nayners

          Also lame.

  • Droidzilla

    I would like a faster focus, but other than that I’ve been really impressed with the Nexus 5 camera.

    • http://androidforums.com/members/kwest12.html kwest12

      I agree that focus time is very important. A phone camera should be able to focus extremely quickly, have a very very fast capture/shutter speed and have a blazing fast save speed. They’re not a DSLR, so they need to be able to be used very quickly at the drop of a hat.

  • Mike

    Hmmmmm…..does it help with motion blur? Feels like I am in the movie The Ring. All faces are blurred.

    • Sankyou

      Not really. It will get to your blurred photos faster but the focus itself seems to be the bigger problem and they just speed it up. I guess it’s not really my problem anymore since I’m switching to the $200 G2 I scored yesterday but it is annoying.

      • Mike

        Maybe their next mod can be to speed the shutter up. Seriously, does the G2 not have thus problem? Stock seems to keep the shutter open longer than necessary because it thinks it can stabilize, but that just kills motion shots.

        • Mike

          Maybe we can steal the G2 camera apk and make it work….

          • A.Miller

            This would be great!!

        • turdbogls

          wonder if the action scene would help any. haven’t really tried it but isnt that what it is supposed to do….quick shutter speed for moving objects.

          • Sankyou

            Action does nothing of the sort. I was hoping too but it takes the same amount of time.

          • Mike

            Action mode forces the flash on with no way to turn it off. Was outside in the sun yesterday taking pictures of a baseball game with the flash going off like crazy because some portions of the field were shaded. Felt a little ridiculous.

            That seemed to be about all it did, but didn’t check it extensively.

        • Skittlez

          everytime i see this being said in a review video, i realize that they have HDR+ on. of course it’s going to take longer. it’s taking several pictures at different exposures. turn HDR+ off and it’s pretty quick

          • Mike

            HDR+ is off. Still wants to keep the shutter open too long and blur things.

    • Robert Macri

      This is why I love the moto x… sure some of the pictures aren’t as contrasty as the S4 and G2 but its hard to get motion blur with it.

      • A.Miller

        How is the shutter speed/focus? How fast is that stuff?

  • yellowflash94

    That’s awesome but hopefully someone releases a fix for the missed call bug. But I have to send in mine for an RMA my vibration motor works when it feels like working. Seems to loose connection and then i have to smack the phone’s back and it will start working again.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    Only thing I really think needs fixing is the focus…which pretty much doesn’t work . I don’t care enough to go through this process though. I’ll wait for google

    • A.Miller

      Agreed. The slow focus is my issue.

  • Jeffery Keel

    Can someone post before and after shots?

    • turdbogls

      working on it. going to be just one shot though,

      • JBartcaps

        404 Not Found. Something went wrong?

        • turdbogls

          hmmm…they are just in G+. i can see them fine.
          not much to see though. they are basically identical.

  • Sankyou

    I tried it and it is a nice improvement. The main thing is the faster focus. I recommend the one without noise cancellation as there are some problems recording video with that one (ie the sound cuts out when volume is low).

  • Adam Truelove

    I simply don’t understand why Google doesn’t put an amazing camera in their Nexus phones. Google has tons of awesome photo tools via Google+ and their own hardware is terrible at taking photos.

    • PhillipCun

      I keep thinking about this and I don’t think it is Google’s intent to provide the best hardware especially for the low price point. Think about it. This device is built to be a developer phone so they make it cheap for devs to purchase and develop on.

      Battery life and camera won’t matter to developers if they’re using it for…well… developing. Maybe that’s the point of the google play edition devices… maybe.

      • Sankyou

        They toned down the camera from the G2 but it still has OIS. Obviously they thought it was important enough to include that. The hardware on the N5’s camera should be better than the 5s but the software is so far behind that it isn’t even funny. I don’t get it either. Take some time away from developing internet-blasting weather balloons and fix your damn camera software.

        • Joseph Barrientos

          lol weather balloons are a WHOLE different division though….

          • Sankyou

            True – and yet Google will find a way to blast internet to 98% of the world for free before their phone is capable of taking a good picture.

          • Joseph Barrientos

            thats like getting mad that the president didnt clean the bathrooms, just because theyre in the same building, paid by the same people, doesn’t mean that the expectations of the job are the same.. on another note, that internet is gonna be CRAZY slow, just like the free google wifi here in mountain view haha

          • Sankyou

            I’m not mad. It’s just strange. They can collaborate and completely expand on things that other scientists say can’t be done – but dedicating a camera/software guy to something that most other handset makers have no problem with seems to be an Achilles heal.

          • Joseph Barrientos

            im just waiting for them to acquire a mobile camera app company and be done with the issues lol

          • Sankyou

            Nokia? Too late. :)

          • Joseph Barrientos

            “mobile camera app company “, not mobile company lol

        • A.Miller

          >> The hardware on the N5’s camera should be better than the 5s but the software is so far behind that it isn’t even funny

          If that’s the case, then why doesn’t a developer make a great software camera app and sell it? I’d pay an extra $10 in software to improve the camera on the N5.

          The poor camera is the only reason I am considering returning/selling the N5.

          I can’t believe there isn’t software out there to replace the stock camera app.

          • phissith

            What? Try this app Procapture free

      • hoosiercub88

        The Nexus phone is no longer a developer-centric device.

        It’s a publicly available, easily obtainable, consumer electronic.

        • Adam Truelove

          Agreed, I’m sick of people calling it a dev device. It’s not anymore. It’s still relatively a budget flagship, so it’s going to skimp in some areas, but it’s a full fledged flagship device from Google.

          • Nick V

            I have 2 N5’s, and I do not expect the best camera in the world from them. Yes, they have awesome tools, and yes, they need new developers on the camera angle, but would you buy a Ford Escort expecting it to be a Ferrari?

          • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

            In this case, I’d be willing to pay for the upgrade.

      • AndroidUser00110001

        This is such a myth. The only reason why the Nexus 4, Nexus 5 and Galaxy Nexus at the end of its life cycle was inexpensive is because Google subsided those phones. The full retail price for them was inline with other high end phones. It would have cost a few extra bucks to keep same camera as G2. Before the play store all Nexus devices were priced as other high end phones. The Nexus line is no longer geared to just developers. You do not need a phone that the boot loader can be unlocked to develop apps or even need root.

      • A.Miller

        But I have heard that the Google Play Edition S4’s photo-taking is worse than a Samsung-stock S4… I can’t confirm that, though.

      • phissith

        Nope, in case you miss google ads for the phone, they really did emphasize great camera.

    • JBartcaps

      It’s a $349 phone, I think the camera is excellent!

      • Nick V

        Amen!

    • Esteban Llop

      I don’t understand why people keep bashing in the N5 camera. I have a GS4 and a N5 and in all the photos that I have taken to compare, the N5 takes better photos than the GS4 before and after this mod. The only problem I have see is than In some improper light conditions the color in the N5 are a little off but that’s it. When you zoom in the pictures you see very little noise in the N5 photos compare to the GS4.
      People want to pay $350 for a phone and want it to have a camera of a $700 phone, is not going to happen. It may be not the best mobile camera out there but is pretty damn good for the price and compared with other phones out there.

      • Carlton Crasher

        For some reason in low light my phone takes somewhat blurry photos in normal mode but in HDR mode which I would expect worse they are perfect sharpness and quality…it baffles me lol

        • Esteban Llop

          Yes that is my experience, but check this mod, it get the other way around, normal mode photos are sharper and with more details.

      • jose

        Um, maybe people bash it because they KNOW it’s not a hardware issue. It’s the stock Android camera software, you know, the um software the Google releases to the world? It has nothing to do with the phone itself. Google has some of the most innovative employees on the planet, why can’t they get a few guys to work on improving the camera experience?

        • Esteban Llop

          The software (android standard camera) leave a lot to be desire, but lets give Google a chance to fix the focus problem, they are evidence they are working in 4.4.1 already.
          But if you look at reviews in tech sites they say ok camera, in my opinion is better than OK, is better than the one in the GS4 and Note 3 Samsung flagship phone that sell millions.

          Anyhow we are not going to get a camera application like the ones in HTC or Samsung from Google anytime soon.

          • jose

            Give them a chance? This isn’t their first rodeo. How many versions of the Nexus phone have we had now?

          • michael arazan

            Not to mention that at the last big media interview they ranted about giving the next nexus an amazing platform for capturing picture and videos. Guess they just expect people to use awesome software from G+ to fix every picture you take, talk about tedious

          • phissith

            You know what this remind me of? Moto X, all the hype and what a let down!! Now Nexus 5 hype is little more forgiving since they did give us OIS and top of the line processor still….a little let down. iPhone 5s…finger print….nada…the days of iPhone 3 hype satisfaction is gone…forever!

          • A.Miller

            Why isn’t there a 3rd party camera app out there that would improve this?

        • wtfsss

          The low level stuff that actually creates an image from that top notch hardware is all proprietary and patented. It’s impossible to include most of it in an open source operating system, so we have to make do with this watered down software. Go ask Kodak if you can use their software for free.

          • jose

            WAT. So because it’s open source, it has to suck? Does this mean if Google suddenly locked down the Nexus program, they’d be able to make amazing cameras? This makes no sense. The entire OS is out there. What’s so secret about camera processing software?

          • wtfsss

            No, but the industry’s best low level camera processing software, drivers, etc are ALL proprietary, what do you think Samsung, LG, Sony, etc use in their versions of android? You can’t include that stuff in something where the source code is available to everyone, as it’s patented and licensed and it just wouldn’t work. The camera here is AOSP, its source is available to anyone, and they can’t include proprietary software inside it or it would cease to be open source.

          • jose

            And explain to me why Google can’t improve on their own AOSP camera software? That’s what I’m saying. We’re not saying they should include Samsung’s or HTC’s software in AOSP…

          • wtfsss

            I’m not saying they can’t improve it, but the only reason any of the other cameras are so much better is because of proprietary stuff that isn’t nearly as easily bested/matched as you might think. That stuff has been developed for literally years

          • jose

            Yes, we all know that. It’s all embedded deep into OEM skins and it’s the reason you simply can’t take HTC’s camera app and make it work on a Nexus phone. Same goes for Kodak, Canon, Nikon etc. They all have their secret software.

            All we’re saying is, it’s time for Google to step it up. Samsung and HTC have been taking stock Android cameras and making them better for years, no reason Google can’t do it themselves.

          • phissith

            Why, so thats where Dev. communities hacker comes in right? “wink”

      • a3uge

        There’s probably only 3 phones out there with slightly better cameras, and because these $650 phones exist, the N5’s camera gets labeled as bad/a deal breaker. These complaints are coming from people whom don’t actually own the phone and haven’t used the phone and haven’t taken shots themselves. Maybe people are just bitter the phone didn’t come out on Verizon so they’re trying to create this perception of the phone that isn’t reality.

        • Nick V

          They listened to The Verge and now know everything. Meanwhile there are multiple other sites and bloggers showing that the camera, while not the best, isn’t all that bad either.

        • A.Miller

          >>These complaints are coming from people whom don’t actually own the phone and haven’t used the phone and haven’t taken shots themselves.

          Not in my case. I have the N5 and am stunned at how slow it is to focus. I thought the Gnex camera was horrible, and it was, but at least it focused and had a quicker shutter.

          My issue isn’t necessarily with the camera itself (the hardware) but with how slow it is to focus and actually take the picture. I have the phone and that is the case.

        • phissith

          I own one got it Nov 5th and the focus issue is real

    • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

      I honestly can’t understand why a camera is a deal breaker on a phone. DSLR, anyone?

      • Adam Truelove

        I don’t carry around a camera with me so I would like my phone to take good shots without horrible focus or lighting. Plus, I have as Gnex. The camera on it is really really awful and i’m sick of it.

        The camera performance is not a deal maker or breaker for me, but I’d really like a good camera on the phone I buy.

      • Adrynalyne

        I think it comes down to, if a phone has a feature, I want it to work well. I would be less unhappy if the feature were removed, rather than the feature be half-assed. Do it right, or just don’t do it.

        • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

          Now that is an argument I can agree with. Obviously, i don’t buy a phone under the impression that i’m taking wedding photos. BUT MANY DO! which is what surprises me.

          • Adrynalyne

            Right. If its an important photo, use the correct tool.

          • phissith

            Heck even Google advertised this ideas so why the heck did they not deliver is all I am saying!

        • sirmeili

          No offense, but I don’t understand this stance. It’s like buying a leatherman and complaining that the saw on it isn’t as good as a chain saw. you’re essentially buying a multi-tool who’s primary focus is to be a phone (not a camera). The camera is nice. I’ve never had issues that my phones take not so great pictures. That’s why we have better cameras. And to be fair, where are most of these pictures going? Facebook? Twitter? Vine? You don’t need the quality.

          Now, if you want to complain that the Samsung Galaxy Camera sucks at taking pictures, I can understand why you’d be upset (I don’t know if it does or not, just an example).

          And really, in the end, you have to agree that there are different levels of cameras. You can’t say that a point and shoot should be just as good as a $1k DSLR because it has a camera as a “feature”. Camera’s on phones are only ok, and just deal with it.

          And to be clear, i would rather have a camera that takes so-so pictures that not to have one at all. It’s not like these cameras just take pictures that in all conditions are just unrecognizable.

          • Adrynalyne

            How can you not understand that stance?

            Nobody wants to buy something that sucks, even if it is just a particular feature that sucks. Lowering the price only takes some of the sting away.

            Maybe it is because I am a perfectionist, but I do not enjoy features that are half-assed. I rather see a solid product without said crap feature/option, than a solid product with it. It just cheapens the experience for me.

          • sirmeili

            I don’t understand your stance because you haven’t said at exactly what level the camera should perform? Should it perform as well as a phone TWICE it’s price? I don’t think so.

            I really do think that “sucks” is a relative term. I know my GNex doesn’t take as good of a picture as my point and shoot or a DSLR. It takes pictures that are good for what it is. Something to take a quick pic or video and put it on G+ or Facebook. If I want to take a great picture I grab the device that is meant to give me a great picture and that will never be (nor should it ever be), a phone.

            From what I’ve read in the comments from people who own the phone, the camera is pretty ok. The problem is that they are compared to phones and software that are created by companies who have been in the camera business for a long time and know what their doing and likely have proprietary methods of handling things. Things that Google just doesn’t have access to.

            In the end, yes, it is cheaper. If you want a better camera on your phone, there are phones that have better cameras. You will pay $200-300 more for that, but that makes complete and total sense. I would never buy a point and shoot for $300 and expect it to act like a DSLR that costs over $1k.

          • Adrynalyne

            “Should it perform as well as a phone TWICE it’s price? I don’t think so.”

            Yes it should because the only reason these are costing so little is because Google is eating some of the cost.

            Am I saying I wouldn’t buy an N5 because of the camera? No. But I would be disappointed, and I would feel justified to complain. If Google wasn’t eating some of the cost of the device, the camera would still suck so….

          • sirmeili

            I think that Google takes a smaller profit margin on these phones not that they necessarily eat come of the cost. That gives the impression that they are selling them at a loss, which I seriously doubt. The reason the N4 and N5 were cheaper was because they are trying to drive the cost of phones down (or that is what they said when the N4 was announced). I seriously doubt that Google is making zero profit on these phones. due to this, they are likely cutting costs on hardware (camera for instance compared to the G2). This was one of the factors they left LTE out of the N4 (another being that at the time, LTE was a battery killer).

            For instance, how much “profit” does Apple make off of an iPhone? I think I read to manufacture one it costs ~$200 or somewhere around there. I realize there are are other costs involved (Cost of business such as advertising, tech support and so on), but even if that doubled the cost of the phone, they are still making a good $250 in profit per phone (for a 16gb version, the 64gb costs ~$220 and they sell it for $850 MSRP, that’s a 1000% markup just for the difference in cost!).

          • Adrynalyne

            Its pretty common knowledge that Google subsidizes Nexus phones. If building costs were the only thing taken into consideration, then it would be different.

            Cost of advertising, tech support etc. doesn’t include RnD, nor the bill that LG is giving them (LG has no intention of taking a hit, or not making a profit). I really don’t think Google is cutting even on these devices until 6-8 months later, and not even then because that usually prompts a price drop.

          • phissith

            See you assumed that Google can’t do it but many of us think they can do it but that they decided not to do it. Also I am not sure how many phones you have own ever the years but for me I see enough to expect certain apps to perform and do certain task with out hick up. Be all means Google with Nexus 5 isn’t the only phone that have this problem. Just saying why advertise on camera when you can’t deliver the goods. Why release Kitkat when it is not fully optimized.

          • phissith

            I think most people here complaint about the software of the phone as saying it should replace DSLR!! Also since software can be fix or improve, why wasn’t it be as good as HTC or Samsung camera apps.

          • phissith

            I meant to say, NOT expecting to replace DSLR!!

          • sirmeili

            Those people that think their cell phone camera should replace a good DSLR are smoking crack. Clear and simple. Besides the fact that the lens and sensor’s can’t possibly compare, you are talking about comparing a $600-700 device to a $1,000+ device. In this case a single purpose item will always beat out the multi use device. A phone’s first purpose is to be a phone. You could even argue it is a consumption device first. Most average people who buy these phones are taking pictures and putting them on facebook, twitter and the like. They have no need for DSLR quality images.

      • jose

        I have a DSLR. Doesn’t mean I’m ok with a crappy smart phone camera. It wouldn’t be that big of a deal if the technology just wouldn’t allow good phone cameras. But that’s not the case. Look at Apple. HTC. Samsung. They can do it, why can’t Google?

        • Skittlez

          all of those phones also cost $600

          • jose

            And? So would the N5 if it wasn’t being subsidized by Google.

      • A.Miller

        I don’t carry a DSLR with me all the time and want to be able to take pictures of my family, etc. with a device I carry all the time.

        Dont expect DSLR quality, but do expect the camera to focus faster than 2s.

  • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

    This is why I love the dev community on Android!

    • trophynuts

      because it takes a Dev community to have an Android phone do what it should already do out of the box?

      • kepley

        Because if something is wrong, we aren’t stuck with just Google to fix it, smartass.

        • pookietookie

          Exactly.

        • LANCE

          google is stuck in this loop of perpetual Beta, they never seem to release anything that is final

          • hoosiercub88

            Nobody is forcing you to buy/use their products… *shrug*

          • LANCE

            love androids openness and variable , but i hate iOS closed system.(im on a gnex people geez)

          • Maxim∑

            why do you even bring up iOS?

          • acrobatsausages

            well they do have one of the best cameras in a phone so it’s kind of relevant.

          • Joseph Barrientos

            gmail seems pretty final to me, maps, pretty final, keep, pretty final. so because ONE app (sure its important) has issues, which they point out and address to fix it leaves them stuck? nah.

          • Mayoo

            + the issues are not THAT bad. The camera works fine, just not as much as expected. It’s not like having the camera fail on launch or take only blurry pictures.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            You don’t pay attention to the countless things Google does that they abandon for a time or completely. Google TV is a prime candidate, as well as a number of other products. So while they get a few things close enough to perfect (nothing is perfect), there are many more that aren’t even close.

          • Joseph Barrientos

            im aware, just as everyone else does the same. You bought a toy when you were 12, did you play with it when you were 18? no, because you realized its not what you wanted anymore. a company is free to do what they please with their products, the easy solution for the consumer? don’t buy em, and don’t complain.

          • Taz920

            HEY!! I still have and play with my old school Nintendo!

          • GrebGoneBad

            Nintendo FTW my friend, Nintendo FTW…

          • Chippah

            Google tv Now “Android tv”is far from abandoned.
            My LG G3 tv just updated the other day. and it works awesome.
            You have no idea what you are talking about sucka.

          • Mason742

            Still waiting on Google Voice update.

          • jmsbwmn

            How long have you been using Google services? Gmail was released as a beta. Same with Maps. Same with, well, basically everything they’ve ever announced. I’m not saying one way is better than another, but they definitely don’t have an in-house beta testing philosophy.

          • HarvesterX

            They earm oncome off advertising. Why keep ANY in house testers really, they already have all they need from us..lol,,sad but true. That’s why every device gets underground hype, so the bloggers can leak it and the develpers go crazy. All our phones comes with Google Analytics. They get the down low on everyone who doesn’t opt out (majority of normal users) and this data isn’t used for development. This data is used to sell fo4 income. Well at least that’s how I see things..lol

          • Khun Lung Back

            You are so correct. I see it as a company who has taken the lead but decides not to listen to customers….as they know it all. Nokia was once the leader…then Motorola…Microsoft was once …Blackberry was also….HTC gave us fantastic designs…that all lack the sense to listen to customers and hear what the majority of customers want.

            usually, it is a tech manager, sitting in his office and believing he/she knows what customers want. Funny…companies and people always forget about history!

          • palomosan

            I guess you pay what you get, don’t expect a $350 phone not to compromise somewhere. And like most people say, an update can fix the camera and the battery issues.

          • Nick V

            I have two, and at $350/$399 I have zero complaints. I also have a professional camera, so if I really need to take a nice picture, I will do that with my other equipment.

            The only complaint I have with the Nexus 5 is that it is too light. I feel like I am going to drop it all the time.

          • Dave

            Life is perpetual beta. Like certain food containers that weren’t known to cause cancer, especially after microwaving lol… we’re always beta testers even when we least expect it

          • Khun Lung Back

            What you said is a sure sign which happens to company before they lose the leader status. HTC had great design but horrible battery issues. Blackberry wanted to stick with QUERTY keyboard and introduced the “Playbook” with clear strategy to chain customers to its phone device. Samsung “plastic” phone design (though they have responded to customers’ clamors).

            These are sure signs that Google may lose its leadership status soon on phone….and maybe the phone software. Remember that other phone giants are looking at developing their own software.

        • trophynuts

          It gets old to have to rely on a dev community to fix Google’s short comings. That is why i left Android. Got tired of the constant damn maintenance required to make a phone work like it should out of the box. Try this kernel, Try this ROM, oh hey try sideloading this camera app, oh you need to run this app to make the audio louder.

          • pookietookie

            Yeah it can get exhausting but the flip side of it is… if you don’t like the way something works, there’s often a dev who has come up with a solution/workaround. Even little things. Try doing that on iOS.

          • trophynuts

            ever heard of Jail Breaking?

          • trixnkix637

            Are you really comparing what can be done to an android phone with an unlocked bootloader & root vs what can be done to an iphone with jail breaking? All I’ve literally seen anyone do with jail break is change features such as font & icons… whereas I can completely change just about anything on an Android with root & the proper files.

          • phissith

            Thats not really true, jailbreaking can do a lot, I used to get animated wallpaper and tethering but that was a few years back, still Andriod being open can do so much more, case in point Tasker apps. Case closed!

          • maxx4life

            I have had no need to flash a ROM, Kernel or otherwise on my last two phones (Razr Maxx HD and Droid Maxx). They run extremely well and I am very happy with them completely stock. Oh, and they can actually last an entire day without hunting for a charger (Looking at you Apple AND Other Androids)

          • cns2007

            I thought you stated you left Android?

          • maxx4life

            I assume you meant to reply to Mr. Nuts?

          • cns2007

            Oh I see, yes. I hate it when people do that. Shouldn’t be allowed to reuse a username.

          • trophynuts

            my iphone 5 battery lasts easily all day and i don’t have to turn off blue tooth when not in use, or wifi when not in use, or LTE when not in use, or location services when not in use to save battery.

          • trophyhassmallnuts

            Yes… yes of course it does… Everyone else around me that has their iphone 5 hooked to the charger throughout the day must be using it wrong…

            My point was, I am happy without any need for modding with Android now and the variety offers you a choice of battery, specs, features, etc.

            Overall, quit trolling Android forums since you are so displeased with it.

          • TalonDesigns

            Reading the information is (mostly) worthy. Seeing a child change their name to something just to bash someone else?

            Grow up.

          • BlowMeTalonDesigns

            So you don’t feel left out my child…

          • Nick V

            Another up-vote!

          • Nick V

            You get an up-vote for your name. Period!

          • Adrynalyne

            iPhone battery no longer rules the roost.

            Sorry to disappoint you.

          • David Narada Brown

            Is that the S or the C? cause last i heard the S was having its own set of issues! u seem to over look those tho!

          • AndroidUser00110001

            With the way you use your iPhone to have battery last all day then with the G2 my battery can last at least 2.5 days with same use :)

          • Chippah

            Slip into a puddle of aids.

          • Nick V

            Awww… No intelligent comebacks? Ask Siri, maybe she can help with fun, witty, and boring retorts…

          • Chippah

            Im on YOUR team, you got the wrong guy. hah

            Ya know, my mudda she keeps calling the gardener Daryll Jackson “the spine crusher” – I wonda what thats all about.. tss tss

          • Nick V

            How in the hell did I miss that??? ? That is my bad, and my apologies. I will down-vote and remove my comment. :)

          • Nick V

            You should. I have many Apple friends who have been complaining about the battery since the iPhone 5

          • Jarred Sutherland

            My 5S lasts all day easily under moderate to heavy use. That’s with a battery half the size (or less) of yours.

          • Nick V

            Doubt it.

          • phissith

            Its not hard since it is running puny display and Apple so call retina.

          • PhoenixPath

            I bet it really sucks to not be able to test any of that in the store before you buy it…

            …oh wait…

          • Mayoo

            And yet, you read news on DroidLife …

          • Walter Partlo

            That explains why you left Android. The real question is why are you still here?

          • Nick V

            apparently trophy thinks iOS is full of joy and perfection. They are already on their 4th or 5th update to iOS 7, and it is still having huge lag issues.

          • Israel Ramirez

            Yeah because iOS had its maps app in total final version right….oh..wait…

          • dvschnk

            That is the reason I like android. If i want to be told how to use something, and that the limitations are just what the box says…i would use apple products. The whole reason i love android is because its so variable. Whoever suggested you onto android in the first place was clueless…for people like you…stay in the apple bubble

          • fanboy1974

            This goes both ways. I left Android “phones” after being with them for 4 years for the same reasons you mention but when issues pop up on iphone/iOS your pretty much at the mercy of Apple. During “sensor gate” (M7 chip reporting incorrect level values) you had arm chair engineers trying to fix a problem that only Apple can fix. I told them that if this was Android it might be different but don’t waste your time because you’re dealing with a closed system. People were returning phones left and right
            over a software issue that took Apple some time to fix and no one knows what Apple did to correct the problem. Basically
            you’re going to see that with every problem no matter how small or big if you’re in a closed system. The Apple forums are just a place to complain and there’s no real solution until Apple decides to fix it.

            And my current issue is that Safari is crashing on a daily
            basis and there’s over 30 lowmemory events in my diagnostic log. We don’t know if it’s due to the 1gig of ram
            or buggy iOS. If this was Android it would have been identified
            and fixed by the community weeks ago. This is why I’m selling my 5S for a N5. Can’t take it anymore.

          • Nick V

            The N5 is AMAZING!!!! Welcome back

          • phissith

            I have issue with battery and its true the camera is slow to focused. RIght now I also have issue with making my main dialer as default, even when I click to use this dialer as “always”. It still kept asking every time whether I want GV or main dialer or Talkatone. Anyone else having this issue?

          • pbolton70

            Then why are you still here if you left android. What interest do you have if you left the community?

          • phissith

            Are you saying that iOS have not have similar problems? Look at their maps at launch or how about iPhone 4 need a case to work properly with cell reception? Come on OS have kinks, I am just glad I am not stuck with waiting for Apple for update but I have Dev. which mean many many choices!! Also I am very thank you for what google have done as a company, the give so much for free, with out them the tablet, the navigation maps apps and many more will see be $600+, and $50+(programs). Step out of your shell and look at a bigger picture sometime. I am sure they are making money off of us in advertisement but at least they are giving back as well!!

      • Grizzly Atoms

        Negative Nancy showed up guys to complain about users fixing an issue before the company. God forbid.

      • Josh Shaw

        Not because it takes a Dev community, but because there is one.

      • jose

        I know you’ll get hated on, but you’re 100% correct. The dev community is amazing no doubt. But this piss-poor attempt by Google and the apologist mentality is why Nexus cameras continue to suck and I will never own one. With such major shortcomings in stock Android, it’s no wonder OEMs use their own skin.

        And YES, the camera is a major shortcoming in today’s competitive market.

        • Nick V

          Let’s discuss the multiple updates to iOS 7 already then… I guess they aren’t a piss poor attempt at getting their OS right? iOS is nothing but broken. WOW, they have a nice camera… So what, the OS is god awful to begin with.

          • jose

            Let’s not discuss iOS. Let’s discuss HTC, and Samsung. I know you purists hate on skins but they build a better overall user experience where Google comes up short.

          • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

            Disagree. Disagree. Disagree.

        • A.Miller

          You are right that the camera is a major feature for many users.

        • phissith

          Thats why with Android you get many choices, so don’t complain. You are not stuck buying Nexus line but Android is still Google though.

        • trixnkix637

          Why & how do you expect them to put the camera found in $700 phones in a phone that’s meant to stay at a $350 price? Be realistic with your expectations at that price point.

          • jose

            Don’t be absurd. This phone is only $350 because Google is subsidizing it. If it weren’t a Nexus, this same phone would be $600+ just like the rest. And besides, it’s the software, not the hardware so your argument is invalid.

          • trixnkix637

            First off unless you’re in the Google hierarchy, that’s just speculation & assumption.

            Secondly I was referring to the chief complaint of all Nexus phones, that being the camera hardware. I didn’t make that point clear so that’s understandable. And I’m completely aware that this current issue is regarding the software.

            I was making a point about the general consensus that Nexus phones should have the type of camera hardware found in a S4 or something, but for the Nexus price. Which ultimately is absurd. Google has to cut corners somewhere to meet that price point.

            I agree that it should work right out of the box, but I’m realistic in my expectations of such issues. Some of us “enthusiasts”, come off as “elitists” all too often.

          • jose

            Why do you keep bringing up the hardware? And comparing it to the “hardware” of the S4? It isn’t the hardware. It’s the software that supports it. Every camera has it’s own software. When you take a picture, the software applies it’s own tweaks, edits and processes the image instantly.

            How the photo looks depends entirely on this. it’s the reason the Moto X camera update made such a huge difference. You need to stop making excuses for the phone and the hardware itself. You need to take a step back and realize that the camera problems are with Android’s vanilla software.

            Samsung, HTC and Apple have figured out how to work within the constraints of tiny sensors and limited hardware and make pleasing photos with the use of software. Google, not so much. It seems like all they do with the camera is tweak the interface with every realease and do nothing with the underlying image processing software.

          • trixnkix637

            Either you’re purposely missing my point to continue to prove yours (which I’ve already agreed with long ago by the way), or you’re just not getting what I’m saying.

            Droid-Life is no place for such meaningless bickering.

          • jose

            Your point: “I was making a point about the general consensus that Nexus phones should have the type of camera hardware found in a S4 or something, but for the Nexus price. Which ultimately is absurd. Google has to cut corners somewhere to meet that price point.”

            My point: That’s a BS excuse because it’s NOT the phone. It’s the OS, the core fundamentals that represent all of Android. Because the phone is cheaper they should be able to load it full of crappy software? I’m sorry, I don’t buy that. That’s my point. Good day :)

      • Morbid138

        You’re right, f**k a biased opinion! This comes from a Nexus 5 owner.

      • 4g63mark

        I couldn’t possibly agree more. There was SOOOOO much hype around this phone. With Google having all year to get this thing right, you’d think they would’ve put out a better looking product that performed better.

        • A.Miller

          And the fact that they have stated that wanted great cameras on Nexus devices…

        • phissith

          Yeah, I have to agree on to this. Android is not the problem its Google for all the money they have, put out this suck ass camera apps, but maybe just maybe they want Nexus 5 out sooner than later and just kind of roll with it but fix should come soon!

      • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

        I don’t think these downvotes are fair. I love the dev community, but there’s a point here: Google should have had the software ready for prime time.

      • master94

        well that’s how it works for every phone OS when you think about it. Take ios for example, out of the box it does nothing really, but jailbreak it and it actually becomes more than just a app launcher.

      • Hugo Pinto

        Better than have a douche telling me I’m holding it wrong.
        Or even worse, the issue being completely ignored for months, sometimes years.