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“Google Nexus 5″ Appears at GFXBench With “Hammerhead” Codename, 1080p Display, and Snapdragon 800

NEXUS 5

I think it’s pretty safe to assume at this point that LG is making the next Nexus phone for Google. There have been enough leaks out of bars, the FCC, and even Google’s own campus to leave us with little doubt. The only things we don’t know for sure, are what the name will be and if Google has any tricks up its sleeve to set this device apart from a crowded market with a dozen or so legitimate top tier players. If a recent benchmark through GFXBench is to be believed, the oft-used “Nexus 5” name could at least be correct. 

In the benchmark listing for a “Google Nexus 5,” we’re seeing a lot of signs that point to this phone being the next Nexus. The “hammerhead” codename that we first revealed weeks ago is present, as is the KeyLimePie reference in the software build that we saw in the original FCC filing last week. You’ll see a build number for the Android version the device was running of KRS71D, with the “K” referencing Android 4.4 Kit Kat. There are “Google” mentions in the build host, “brand,” and build fingerprint.

In terms of hardware, this benchmark shows a device running a Snapdragon 800 clocked at 2.26GHz with an Adreno 330 GPU, the same processor and speed seen on the LG G2, which the new Nexus is heavily rumored to be somewhat based off of. The screen resolution shows as 1794×1080, which sounds off, but that’s because the on-screen buttons are reducing the resolution slightly from 1920.

Could this benchmark have been faked? Maybe. But GFXBench scores have been incredibly reliable in the past at revealing spot-on information for soon-to-be-released devices, so I would tend to put some weight on this info.

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Via:  GFXBench

  • [email protected]

    Screw VZW

  • Michael swaim

    !! If!! And that’s a big If….. Verizon happens to get the N5 on there network along with everyone else and it comes in a 32 Gb model, and same hardware features (battery, camera, screen) I may buy this straight out to put on my unlimited data plan instead of the LG G2.

  • Jerry13

    Alleged press render.
    [IMG]http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/13/09/nexus-5-offc-leak/gsmarena_001.jpg[/IMG]

  • Guest

    Interesting to see Key Lime Pie referenced…….. Looks like the blogs weren’t completely wrong.

  • n11

    When you watch full-screen videos the buttons go away anyways, both with my Gnex and Moto X. Obviously when you’re in applications you’re going to need those navigation buttons, when watching vids they’ll go away for good video experience. Just a note.

  • Guest

    Please let it have the same 24-bit, 192 kHz audio system the G2 has

    • steve james

      Why? I can’t find the article now but there is a great in depth explanation of why that is just a marketing lie. If anyone else knows what I am talking about please post it up. Your ears can’t even perceive sound to that range. In the article he makes the analogy of not being able to see the infrared so why have videos with infrared info in them?

      • Mike Hilal

        Steve, Wherever that article is it’s 100% misunderstanding what’s actually going on. 192khz is the music sampling rate, not the playback frequency range. 24bit is the Analog to digital conversion. Google music uses AAC at 320kbps @ 44khz. Were that article true, we couldnt hear that either since the human hearing range is 20hz to 25000hz (assuming 0 hearing loss)

        • JMonkeYJ

          sampling rate directly relates to the playback frequency range. per Nyquist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist_rate ) you need double the sampling rate of a signal’s frequency in a digital representation of a signal to retain all information. if the human ear hears up to 25 kHz as you say, then 50 kHz is the max necessary sampling rate. presumably that’s where 44 kHz comes from. 192 kHz is overkill.

          • Mike Hilal

            Clearly, you are not an audiophile. 192khz is heaven for the ears if you really like music (and have speakers/headphones capable of reproducing the extra fidelity).

          • steve james

            I will do some more digging. I understand the difference between bitrate and sampling rate. Long story short– the master recording and the quality of the file are what determine how good things sound. Not bitrate or sampling rate– past the rate you can’t perceive anyway that is. Please keep your veiled insults to your self. The implication that because I tried to bring up facts backed up by references that disagree with your established thoughts means I must be deficient in some way is not helpful or appreciated.

          • Mike Hilal

            Of course. If you have a standard Mp3 at 192kbps, it’s going to sound just as muddy or rolled off as it would on any other device. They’re catering to those who listen to .wav and .flac files natively.

          • steve james
          • JMonkeYJ

            i was just using the information you provided. if human hearing maxes out at 25 kHz, there is no way that anything over 50 kHz is beneficial. it’s not being an audiophile or not, it’s science ;-)

            perhaps your argument is that the human ear is actually responsive much higher than 25 kHz? ie up to 96 kHz (192/2)?

          • bobmanman

            It’s a complex subject, but you have a little bit of a mix up there. Unless you are using some kind of aliasing technique on your sample (only works on certain samples, typically it has to meet a certain criteria) you must have at least twice the sampling rate of a signal’s frequency. It’s at least, not at maximum. Picture a sine wave. If you are sampling at the nyquist rate, you can get a sample at every peak and trough (because that is twice the frequency of a sine wave). Obviously, even if you managed to sample it at every max and min, you are going to have a hard time reconstructing that signal, not to mention the difficulty of sampling it at those exact spots and the likelihood that you would be sampling something as generic as a sine wave. Now, if you increase your sampling rate, you will obviously be able to get a more faithful reproduction. There is a bunch of other technical jib-jab about worrying about aliasing (higher frequencies creep in there and have to be filtered out), but the important thing to get out of this is that the sampling frequency must be at least twice the signal’s frequency (as 1. in the wikipedia article says at the top). It’s all about efficiency, and that is the lowest possible sampling rate possible to reproduce your sample. Efficiency almost never gives you the best accuracy, it only gets the job done. /rant

          • JMonkeYJ

            All signals can be described as a combination of sine waves, so it really is as simple as only needing twice the sampling rate of the highest signal frequency. More than twice gets you no other information whatsoever. The article posted below (which is really excellent with great technical details) does point out a situation where more than 40 kHz is beneficial: avoiding aliasing due to non ideal low pass filters. But low pass filters are very well understood and close to ideal these days, and you don’t need anywhere close to 150 kHz of wiggle room to make one that will act ideal. This is not the same as the 2x frequency issue, tho. Really just check out the article, i really enjoyed it.

  • Geoffrey Gunter

    Question: Two models just passed through Wi-fi certification. Rather than be d820 and d821 it was two variants of just d820; d820_c and d820_s. From my speculation, these could be either the two different storage models, GSM and sprint CDMA, or GSM/Sprint and Verizon CDMA. I realize many of you are inclined to tell me a Verizon model is never going to happen and I’m totally wrong to think of it as a possibility and blah blah blah. I don’t care about these responses, I’ve seen plenty of them. Question is, which of these seems most likely? I wasn’t aware that two separate model numbers would be needed for different storage sizes, and I thought the GSM version was already set to work on Sprints network. If these two stipulations are true, does that open up the possibility for a VZ model?

    • acras

      Chance of two different pricepoint devices? S600 and s800 processor maybe? Total speculation of course , but I’m guessing that is more likely than a Verizon Nexus

      • Geoffrey Gunter

        I would be really surprised to see two different processors for the same device. If Google did that, I would have no idea what they were doing. I’m honestly surprised they decided to go with the 800 in the first place. The 600 is plenty feasible, and considering that would fall in line with the s4 and the one I would’ve bet money on the 600. Apparently this isn’t the case and I’m not complaining by any means. I’m sure you’re right, a Verizon Nexus has a slim likelihood, but I’m not going to rule it out until its nothing but confirmed.

        • acras

          Pricepoint might have been the wrong thought. Perhaps from a development standpoint , to have development devices on both processors. Maybe the availability of the s800 was in question until late in development of the D820 so they had the device with an s600 , and found out the supply of s800 processors was sufficient enough to slap it in , then offer both ? Maybe it’s just that one is shiny plastic , and you can buy an overprices colorful tpu case with holes in it.

  • http://www.getintonursing.com/ Jon

    I particularly am interested in a 5.2″ screen. I really liked the Note 1 and it’s 5.3″ screen size. I honestly never felt the need for them to go to a 5.5″ screen and now a 5.7″ screen on the Note series. I mean yeah it’s great and all, but my hands just have to do more work.

    You get used to it, but I’m back on an S4 now. The screen size is just a tad bit smaller than I would like at 4.99″. I think the 5.2″ would be a sweet spot. Large, but not enormous. Big enough to put a massive stock battery.

    • Cowboydroid

      The Nexus 5 is rumored to be smaller, at 4.97″.

      • http://www.getintonursing.com/ Jon

        It just seems that the larger size of the leaked photos seem way larger than would be necessary for a .3″ increase in size from 4.7 – 4.97. That leads me to think they may actually go above 5″.

        Completely speculative of course.

        • Cowboydroid

          The dimensions were given in the FCC leak, I believe.

    • Jeff

      I actually think 4.5-4.7″ would be the sweet spot, with 5.2″ being enormous. Once you get that big, you might as well just get a tablet.

  • Jason

    Personally I am almost more interested in finding out what Kit Kat is bringing to the game, than what specs the new phone has. After all, I don’t think we have heard hardly anything about how the OS will be changing, very curious.

  • XxROCKxX

    This completely kills me. This must be on Verizon, but if the camera and battery are bad then I will get the G2. Why no love for the G2? I’m thinking I could just root it and basically make it a nexus with an awesome camera. The battery life was already confirmed to be good, and then it has Verizon coverage on top of that. Am I missing something here??

    • Gr8Ray

      Those horrible buttons on the back?

      • Michael swaim

        I like the button set up.

  • joejoe5709

    Wait… the above picture is just a render, right? Not that I’m complaining – it’s gorgeous.

  • http://www.vgchartz.com SuperChunk

    Can’t wait to see the KitKat OS. The phone seems nice, hopefully normal hardware upgrades include batter and camera as well.

  • Wil Payne

    As long as VoLTE rollout on VZW is still on target, the Nexus 5 could be picked up next spring and work with a VZW SIM, right?

    For now I just get the comfort of knowing I don’t have to see “nexu5″ branding, right?

    • joejoe5709

      My question is whether the phone could be released on Verizon at the same time as the others, but somewhat gimped until VoLTE comes out. If so, I’d totally be fine with that.

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      The FCC filing for the D820 that is being widely speculated as the Nexus 5 does not show certification for Band 13, which is Verizon’s primary LTE frequency, and certainly the one you want in any Verizon device. So, tehcnically with VoLTE and in an AWS (Band 4) area it may work, but I would wait for extensive testing before buying one for Verizon that is not specifically built for them.

  • http://infotainmentempire.blogspot.com Rob

    Funny how a few years ago a lot of people thought a 5″ phone was crazy big and funny when held to the hear (think Dell Streak). Now it’s the “average” phone size. It probably doesn’t look as silly because everything is slimmer than before. I’m glad phone sizes are getting larger honestly, I suppose the Streak was just ahead of its time!

    • acras

      Hell , a few years ago 4.3′ was considered huge. When the Droid X was announced there were hundreds of posts about how huge the screen was going to be and that the phone wouldn’t fit in your pants pocket. One of my friends was on that bandwagon at the time , now he carries a Note 2.

      • John Smith

        Ha! i got the OG EVO and all my friends were crying that it was too big. now they all have even bigger phones!

  • LaRocKa1158

    Im dying. I have a rooted Note 2 on Verizon. I dont know whether I should pull the trigger and buy the LG G2 or get the Moto X. (Assuming theres a 0% chance of Nexus on verizon because switching carriers doesnt seem to be an option right now)… Is there any hope for this on verizon at all?

    • Skittlez

      i went to the store today, and messed with the droid ultra and the G2. G2 is definitely the best phone in the store to me. that display on the phone covers so much of it, and it’s gorgeous, and playing with the UI wasn’t that bad. i saw go to the store and play with the G2 before you make a decision

  • cheese

    This phone will cost at least $499. No way will this phone be $349 lol.

    • raazman

      Why do you say that?

    • BuckHuck

      why would it cost that much? there is no reason for it to cost that much, it that was the case the nexus 7, nexus 10 would be way, I mean way more than the phones.

      • NexusMan

        Because the specs are higher than the Nexus 4. The Nexus 10 fyi was not cheap.

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          The specs may be higher, but if the total costs (not just BoM, but everything inclusive) were similar they could easily sell it for a similar price. I certainly don’t expect $299 again, but I don’t think $350 is out of the question.

        • Trevor

          The specs are higher, but it’s also a year later.

          • NexusMan

            Exactly, so NEXT year, this year’s specs will be lower priced, ie., when the Nexus 4 was released it was “underspec’d,” to what was available at the time of high end devices, this phone sounds like it is being released comparable spec wise to what is current.

    • Noel

      I will say $300 is out as a price for the N5. The 16GB will likely be between $349-$399 and the 32GB likely $399-$449. I will REALLY love to see a 64GB model with a BIGGER BATTERY (2800-3000+mAh) for about $500.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        I wouldn’t count on a larger battery. Changing the ROM is easy, you just place a different chip in the same spot, or add another small chip that you already made space for.

        Changing the size of the battery would require a physical change to the device’s external, and likely internal design. That drives up costs very significantly, in more than simply parts. Considering that the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4 were focused primarily on bringing a low-cost, high-performance reference design for the Android platform, I find it highly unlikely that they would produce a second Nexus design in the same generation. Remember that their goal is not selling hardware, their goal is to show off their vision of Android in its purest form, and provide a stable reference platform for developers.

        • Noel

          I know..just tired of Nexus phones with just ok batteries. A powerful Nexus phone like the N5 should have a more powerful battery, considering it has a 1080p HD screen, Quad core 2.2+ GHz chip and also battery sucking LTE. I mean I will buy the phone but will really be pissed if it lacks battery stamina and ends up like the N4 on battery. Let’s hope the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 is really really good on batteries.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            I wouldn’t look for anything godly out of it. The N4 is probably a pretty solid target for battery life of the N5. The capacity on this new device is shown as a 10% increase, however with an increase in screen resolution counteracted by a more efficient SoC, I’m going to count it as pretty much a wash as far as battery life is concerned. Better in some areas, about the same in others, and less in a few situations.

      • Skittlez

        you assume there’s a 32GB model. Don’t assume yet. you might be let down. i know a lot of people were when the Nexus 4 was released. i say $350 for an 8gig and $400 for a 16gig

  • Peter Mansour

    Key Lime Pie?

    • Peter Mansour

      nvm

      • Mike Hilal

        ^this

        • ToddAwesome

          newbs, rhymes with bewbs.

  • Jeff C

    is there a filter to block all nexus 5 news since im on VZW

    • Pedro

      Actually, constant news of better phones, cheaper coverage and easy root access is a part of the VZW contract you signed.

      Didn’t you read the fine print?

      • Charlie

        lol!!! that’s good stuff right there… (and i’m one of the VZW bonees)

  • Ryan B

    Oh, it has Key Lime Pie which is awesome because it doesn’t exist. That means its like secretively good right?! This is fake.

    • Joshua Bailey

      Lol. No one other than a few higher-ups at Google and Nestle know about the KitKat branding until a few weeks ago. Up until that point, Key Lime Pie was the next version on Android. Things change. Not a fake.

      • Brandon Hinson

        yet its still on SDK version 18? even if they got the name “wrong” they should be on the correct SDK no matter what the name is.

        • Gr8Ray

          Good catch!

      • Ryan B

        And my opinion of this being fake hasn’t changed.

        • Skittlez

          in the FCC filings, it still said KeyLimePie. That was just an old build. KitKat is the official, but the earlier builds were still keylimepie

  • Brandon Hinson

    “KeyLimePie” ?

  • JT

    Micro or nano sim?

  • TheRobotCow

    I hope it doesn’t lag like the video from yesterday showed.

    • Gr8Ray

      How did it lag? The guy couldn’t even get it unlocked.

      • Skittlez

        he thinks that because the unlock pattern wasn’t showing, it was lagging lol. it doesn’t show the unlock pattern unless you get it wrong, so no one else see’s it.

  • JT

    I was hoping the speaker would be on the front.

  • Don Crist

    My new set up….Nexus 5 with Straight Talk for $45 month. Can you say bye bye Verizon and your over priced service, slow updates and bloatware. The game has changed!

    • nonsensebonsence

      but streaming and tethering…

      • Yahmean

        I keep seeing similar comments everywhere but I’ve been on ST for 7 months and stream Google Music/Youtube vids and have never been contacted about usage issues. Fine print be damned, I have never been flagged.

        • DoctorJB

          GF got cut off for streaming music at work every day (~40hrs a week) but it was reinstated by the month. I haven’t had any problems (though I only stream while driving).

      • zwade

        …are a big deal to some, but not others (including me). I barely use a gig a month and I occasionally stream a few YouTube videos. I can see your point though. It’s a deal breaker for a lot of people, but for some it’s a really great option.

  • schifty

    Is it all but confirmed that this won’t show up on Verizon or is there
    still some hope? If it won’t I think I’m going to jump on the $50 htc
    One at best buy, since there doesn’t seem to be any other flagships coming out in the next few months.

  • Adam Truelove

    F you Verizon!!!!

  • Alexander Garcia

    If the camera is as good as the one on the LG G2, I will be sooo f–kin’ all over this!

  • dragonthc

    keylimepie? really we’re still on this? It’s fake.

    api 18 is 4.3.

    Still Jelly Bean.

    FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!

    • Skittlez

      early builds of the ROM still show KeyLimePie. even the FCC showed this

  • Ian Smith

    KRS….1

  • ImmaDroid

    Basterds!!

  • MichaelFranz

    KeyLimePie OS??

  • Bob G

    Wonder where all those people who say the Nexus will have crap specs are now.

    • ChrisI

      Weak battery size? No memory expansion or only 8/16gb? Low quality camera spec? A screen resolution and processor speed are not always the ONLY things that define a phone’s specs. I get so tired of reading that argument. We all have different needs/wants in a phone. I am darn excited about this phone, but I gotta admit that the GS4 is looking better in terms of true customizability.

      • Jeff

        Where was it said that it would only have 8/16gb of storage? Just curious, as this would be a nogo for me to get the phone.

        • DoctorJB

          It hasn’t. He was just pointing out that we don’t have all the details yet.

          • ChrisI

            I was actually replying to someone else saying “where’s all the spec deniers now?!?!” but the site didn’t connect it right I guess. The 8/16gb ref was for the Nexus 4. I like specs as an all-around model, not JUST what processor it runs and the resolution, like some folks. Wanna give me a crappy battery? Fine, but let me expand it if I want. Wanna limit my storage capacity? Fine, but add a SD slot so I can choose if I want/need more. I thought Americans like freedom of choice. If I’m a heavy phone user, or a big time picture taker/video editor, I’d like to have the option of this phone. But if you restrict my storage/phone life, I have no choice but to not buy it.
            And don’t get me started on “use the cloud” arguments….

          • DoctorJB

            It shows up connected. I agree about storage but I have no illusions that Google will be providing SD slots or 64gb onboard. I think Google is relying on the GPE edition devices for that and then using the Nexi as a mid segment phone with a great off-contract price.

  • kkloster
    • Steve B

      Yes. They recanted that tweet a couple days later.

      • kkloster

        I see. DL didn’t cover the retraction, or i missed it if they did.

    • Dave

      evleaks later sent out a retraction saying they were wrong.

  • Rob Delaney

    Please don’t let the camera suck. Please don’t let the camera suck. Please don’t let the camera suck. Please don’t let the camera suck.

    • Steve B

      Please don’t let the camera suck. Please don’t let the camera suck. Please don’t let the camera suck. Please don’t let the camera suck.

      • SkylaC90

        UPDATE: The camera sucks

        • jadeveon da destroyer

          please let this have lte please let this have lte

          • The Now Network

            Please be on Verizon. Please be on Verizon. Please be on Verizon. Please be on Verizon.

          • NYCHitman1

            Won’t be on VZW. Might be time for you to move to GSM until VZW switches to VoLTE.

          • cheese

            The Nexus 5 supports Verizon LTE band (4).

            Verizon is rolling out AWS (LTE Band 4) as we speak and just bought more AWS spectrum from AT&T. I wouldn’t totally discount the belief that it won’t be supported on Verizon. The phone also has CDMA capabilities (BCK0/BCK10)

          • dlife

            But its a phone that Verizon can’t use until they go full LTE. Its also a phone Verizon wouldn’t sell as they wouldn’t be allowed to put their crap on.

            It won’t be on Verizon.

          • Jeff C

            think i saw that it can function for data but not for voice since it is LTE only verizon bands

          • sc4fpse

            Unfortunately, there are a few problems preventing this from being used with Verizon.

            First, while it would accept a Verizon LTE SIM card, it won’t authenticate on the 3G network without Verizon explicitly allowing it. If they don’t sell the phone, it won’t happen. And without support for their current LTE network (700 Mhz), they wouldn’t dream of doing that.

            Which brings me to the next issue: While it can and would connect to Verizon’s LTE network in AWS coverage, the problem is that there is no existing AWS coverage that the public can connect to. Some test networks have been spotted on the west coast, but that’s it. It’s coming, sure, but it’s also not going to be as widespread as Verizon’s 700 Mhz spectrum. So the map you just posted is pointless when it comes to Verizon and this device. It simply doesn’t have support for Verizon’s LTE network in its current state. And the part of Verizon’s network that it will support (once Verizon rolls out their AWS network) will be much smaller than Verizon’s current LTE network.

            And, combining these two issues to make the third issue: Because the device won’t authenticate and connect to Verizon’s CDMA/EVDO network, you won’t get voice. And Verizon currently doesn’t have VoLTE… nor is VoLTE on what will be limited AWS coverage an actual solution to this problem.

            So, basically, this is not a Verizon device, and unless you want a phone that can’t make normal voice calls and can’t really be taken outside of major cities without losing *all* connectivity (not just high speed connectivity, like T-Mobile), it never will be. Sorry.

          • cheese

            Yeah. I was really hoping it would come to Verizon. Looks as though the Moto X is Verizon’s most ‘Nexus-like’ device and that’s all the consumers’ are gonna get

            Also, Verizon is refusing to activate Nexus 7 LTE tablets.

            https://plus.google.com/+JeffJarvis/posts/irxs6cEheQ2

            Looks like you’re right. There is no way the Nexus 5 will be coming to Verizon.

            I get this feeling that the relationship between Verizon and Google is as cold as it’s ever been. Someone needs to do a story on the relationship between the two companies.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Well of course Verizon is refusing to activate them, they don’t have a number that would activate in their system. However, you can stick a Verizon SIM card in them and they work.

          • michael arazan

            And the FCC needs to start regulating the telecommunications industry better, the carriers are making up the rules as they go along.

          • michael arazan

            Could turn out like the Nexus 7, Verizon won’t support it on their network, but they can’t stop you from throwing an LTE sim in it and using it on their network

          • Diablo81588

            Unfortunately all GSM carriers are garbage in the US.

          • richie97

            LOLOLOLOL No.

          • Lynton

            Please don’t sell out in 3 minutes. Please don’t sell out in 3 minutes. Please don’t sell out in 3 minutes.

          • Lynton
          • shirlbissell

            My last pay check
            was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been
            averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can’t
            believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do,
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        • Steve B

          Haha, if it’s the G2 camera we’re good.

          • cheese

            most likely it will be.

          • jamdev12

            You mean the Sony camera sensor as LG does not make the camera, they buy it from Sony.

          • Steve B

            Does it matter? You know what I meant ass.

          • jamdev12

            Damn. You don’t have to be so rude man. That really, really hurt. Boohoo. :-(

    • ImmaDroid

      Hopefully they’ll use the same one as the G2, which people are saying is real good. Camera is up on my list too

      • Bob G

        Yeah, that giant OIS attached to the lens should help a bit. Just hope Google either uses LG’s camera software to make it good or somehow managed to not make it suck on their own.

        • ImmaDroid

          Kellen said on the G2 review that the camera performed really well, and instant shutter, etc. I like stock Google, but some extra camera features would be nice!

        • Steve B

          Considering the picture quality from the GPE One and GS4 matched their counterparts, I’ve got faith that with a top tier camera in the N5 the pictures should be pretty great.

          • acras

            do the GPE editions change the camera software? I know they aren’t skinned , but could the camera software under the hood be the same on the One and GS4? I figure the camera app is different , just wondering if other than user interface they could be the same

    • HighTechToid

      I wouldn’t say the Nexus “cameras” were ever really bad. The “problem” seems to be Google’s overly basic software. They could throw in the G2’s camera all they want, but if it’s the same software the pictures will still be less impressive than the standard G2.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        I don’t even think “basic” software is the issue, as much as “software with terrible Bayer colorspace processing and jpeg compression algorithms”. The complexity of the software and its capabilities is secondary to the maths going on during the initial sensor to jpeg conversion.

      • jamdev12

        If the sensor is crappy, there is only so much you can do with software to even begin to correct it. If you buy a good camera sensor capable of getting great pictures from the get go, then the software is just icing on the cake. I’m hoping that it will be the Sony Exymos Sensor that is currently in the LG G2, but with better OSI, equivalent to the Nokia 920 which is even better than the 1020.

        • Diablo81588

          Exmor*

    • Xavier_NYC

      There’s going to be compromise somewhere, not sure if it’s the camera but to keep it at a low price point there will be a compromise somewhere.

      • Larizard

        battery life, me thinks

    • Guy Pierce

      Please have better battery life. Please have better battery life. Please have better battery life. Please have better battery life.

    • James Friedman

      Please let it be $400, please let it be $400, please let it be $400…

  • ITGuy11

    As soon as this phone is released, I am dropping vzw like a bad habit. Hello T-Mobile!

    • David Benson

      Why not StraighTalk AT&T 4G LTE?

      • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

        Not really LTE, speeds are capped at 8-9 Mbps

        • David Benson

          Where is info?

          • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

            Well actually I was thinking aio, but no reason to think straight talk would be any different since its using ATT LTE just like aio which is literally prepaid service straight from ATT. Ill have to look at the straight talk details.

          • middlehead

            I haven’t seen confirmation of that for ST, but AT&T limits their owned pre-paid sellers from getting any faster than 8Mb, so it’s hard to believe they’d let ST do better.

      • Steve B

        Straight Talk are crooked bastards. Pretty shady company if you ask me.

        • David Benson

          Why is that?

          • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

            Gotta read the fine print man

          • Justin W

            Even if you read the fine print, you can’t determine what their data limits are, which drives me up the wall. I’d like to know a solid limit to what I can and can’t use each month, thanks. That’s actually why I’m tempted to hop on AT&T’s GoPhone prepaid with a SIM. Or Aio (but I don’t want the 8mbps limit). I’d like high amounts of data with no cap on AT&T with a prepaid carrier – got any suggestions?

          • Dan

            Best thing I did was drop ST…and went with AT&T new 60$ go phone w/LTE getting speeds from 35-68mbps in the point pleasant brick NJ area..One month ST cut my data not even half way through my billing cycle..crooked bastards and the customer service person told me I was placed in the “High data bracket” BS! I use WiFi whenever available

          • Justin W

            I’m jealous on multiple levels. I don’t have AT&T’s LTE in my area yet (but for some reason they have LTE towers 5-10 miles north of me with no mid- to large-sized cities?), but once I do get it I’m going to order a new ST SIM to see what I get data-wise… I plan on switching though if I don’t get good data speeds (read: limited to 10mbps or under).

          • DroidzFX

            ST can cut your data off at anytime and will not turn it back on. Plenty of forums talking about issues. Best part of prepaid.. you can switch anytime.

      • JRomeo

        T-Mobile’s HSPA+ data speeds rival LTE Speeds or are even better in some locations.

        • Bob G

          In other locations, they have no speeds at all :(

          • duke69111

            That’s my problem. In Kansas they don’t have coverage in 1/2 – 3/4 the state.

          • Brian

            No… your problem is living in a terrible state. Only state worse is Nebraska. Tosh proven fact

          • Ben Landwehr

            I-I live here.. and can attest to that fact. Verizon coverage here is absolutely amazing. Any other carrier? Nope. No one else has LTE or HSPA+ for that matter.

          • Averix

            Try South Dakota. 2G at best. I would love to jump on the T-Mobile bandwagon, but 2G vs 4G LTE on Verizon is a huge difference.

          • adbFreedom

            I live in Southern California and finding an area where you can get signal for T-Mobile is harder than finding an I Phone user that knows what a kernel is.

          • Averix

            Wait, iPhone users don’t eat at KFC?

          • yesterdays

            Nope, they are to fancy for that

          • acras

            I’m in So. Cal too ( LA) and Tmo has been great for me. I actually have better reception close to home than I did with Verizon . Overall for me Tmo is equal to Verizon , at half the price.

          • adbFreedom

            I wish that were the case where I am (low desert) .. I would love nothing more than to drop VZW but Tmo and Sprint are bad where I am and I would rather pay the money and enjoy using my device rather than saving money and not being able to use it when I need to.

          • acras

            Yea , it’s a little more sketchy for me out in Riverside , works fine in the built up areas , but moving away from the freeways it gets worse . Luckily i get fine reception at my Dad’s place WAY off the beaten path in Riverside , where I had NO Verizon coverage . ATT is pretty good for people I know out there , Sprint sucks

          • MrWicket

            gotta do what you gotta do. I’ve been talking up T-Mobile a lot to friends and family since leaving Verizon but the reality is it’s not going to work for everyone everywhere, Verizon just has good coverage and that’s hard to beat for many people.

          • MrWicket

            ditto, I had good reception with Verizon in SoCal until I went inside, T-Mobile on the other hand works everywhere and it’s much faster than Verizon ever was and the price! oh I love how low my monthly bill is now! :)

      • Rob

        Or Att go phone. $60 but you can get refill cards cheaper. I get a $50 and a $25 card for $60. Lte speeds stay around 60mbps here in Atlanta.

      • CyHawk60

        I’ve thought about going either straight talk (AT&T) or I-Wireless (T-Mobile). Living in Iowa, I’m not sure how good T-Mobile is around here.

  • Miguel Angel Portela

    Everything looks great. But the real hope for me lies in the battery and camera.

    • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

      This. Mostly battery life for me, I can probably deal with an ok camera but the battery would be the biggest deal breaker

      • Miguel Angel Portela

        It’s a bit rough. I really want a better battery for sure but man, is this camera disappointing. It’s practically unusable in low-light situations.

        • moelsen8

          assuming you’re referring to Nexus 4 in which case i wholeheartedly agree. i’m just about over owning a smartphone with a crappy camera.

          • Miguel Angel Portela

            You ain’t lying. A lot of cameras are shockingly terrible. The Note 2 wasn’t that great, the Razr wasn’t either. The S3 was weirdly grainy. Oddly enough, the Galaxy S (Fascinate) had a great cam as did the HTC One S.

          • moelsen8

            i wish they’d focus much, much more on them. so many lost moments with the camera on this phone.

      • Rob

        I get wanting good battery life if your on vacation or something but when I’m at work my phone charger Is within reach and I’ve got several throughout my house. When my phone isn’t in my hands it’s on a charger. Something So easy to remedy shouldn’t be a deal breaker. That’s my opinion though so no offense.

        • BobbyG

          Using the GNex for the past 2 years battery life is now the most important factor. If I go out for the night I have to keep my phone on airplane mode half the time just so I have battery by the time I get home. God forbid going out the whole day, I have to carry 2-3 extra batteries

        • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

          no offense taken, but one I don’t work in an office and two unless I am at home I don’t have access to a charger unless I use my car charger and who really wants to leave their phone in the car to charge. with a non removable battery, good battery life is a must for me and it should be a priority for these phone manufactures

        • malcmilli

          that’s fine for the average day, but not when i go out after work, or on weekends if say i go to lunch and then to the park and then home for 30 minutes to shower/change and then back out to a bar/restaurant. You then have to baby sit your phone. Baby sitting = no phone. So yeah 4/5 days out of the week its fine but the other 2-3 days i’m baby sitting my juice. <Nexus 4 owner

        • http://www.getintonursing.com/ Jon

          But once you’ve had a phone that actually has good battery life and if you forget to charge it in at work your not screwed…it’s hard to go back. A lot of people don’t always have the luxury of plugging in without it being a pain in the ass.

          On my Note 2, I would use GPS in the car for 2 hrs driving around Los Angeles with the screen on using Waze, never bothering to even plug it in even though I have a car charger. Then I would get somewhere and take a ton of photos. Talk, text, get on the web…play games. That phone would still last me a whole day and die around 10 PM at the earliest.

          Once you have experienced that sort of battery life…it’s hard to go all the way back to the “better charge your phone after lunch days.”

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      I would look for battery life in the range of the Moto X, maybe a bit less. No worse than the Nexus 4. It is sporting a 2300mAh battery in the FCC shots, and if it really is that close to a G2, a ~25% decrease in battery capacity would likely translate into ~20% reduce battery life when savings from LG’s custom software being absent are taken into account.

      • malcmilli

        i wouldnt bet too much on it being better. The optimus G actually had better battery life than the nexus 4 with the exact same specs and battery size. LG definitely implements some extra battery efficient software on their end.

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          Reeeeally. I missed that little nugget, thanks. Perhaps they are more aggressive with their screen brightness or CPU throttling? Very interesting indeed. I really hope that I can get decent battery out of it, or I will be a very very sad panda, and my wife will be all over me (and not the good way) since I will most likely be getting these to break us away from Verizon.

        • Skittlez

          Don’t forget about G-RAM in the Adreno 330 now.

  • DroidzFX

    This is my golden ticket to pre paid.

  • findjaysee

    But both the G2 & the “N5″ have / will have on screen buttons. So why the different screen resolutions?

    • M. Clark

      The G2 is 5.2″ and this is apparently 4.96″

    • http://jordanhotmann.com/ Jordan Hotmann

      The screen is full 1080p, but the app only has access to the screen that’s not taken up by the nav bar…so hence it thinks it’s 1794×1080

  • M. Clark

    Okay so if 1920×1080 is a 16:9 aspect ratio and 1728×1080 is 16:10… what is 1794×1080?

    • Andy Stetson

      1920-126, whereas 126 is the height of the navbar,an area of the screen the app does not have access to.

      • M. Clark

        Roger, so full screen apps like youtube, etc would play in 1920×1080.

        • Andy Stetson

          affirm, and if you use an app like “Auto Hide Soft Keys”, then you get that real estate back in every app, not just watching videos!

          I’m using it on my G2, just takes a swipe up from the bottom to show the keys (or from the right in landscape).

  • Chaynes

    Umm it’s called KitKat not KeyLimePie.

    • dozie

      kit kat thing is more a marketing scheme.. I wouldnt be surprised if its more of a joke for fun and they still announce 5.0 key lime pie..

    • Kevin

      Not in the builds its not. The name will take a while to change there, because even the people working on Android didn’t know.

    • dozie

      yeah the whole 4.0-4.4 thing is actually getting annoying.. in an industry where fake innovation(apple) dominates you really dont want to seem like youve spent two years on minor updates.. and that what it seems like google has been doing.. there will always be a cool factor to tech.. and Google is cool, but their android team is not.. they need to feed off of Google’s cool factor and have some fake innovation as well.. and last but not lest.. FRAGMENTATION.. minor update after minor update.. it gets annoying since only nexus phones will stay up to date..

      • DroidzFX

        You been holding that in a while?

      • Butters619

        ….uhhh….what?

      • Rick

        Would it make you feel better if they just made the updates 5,6,7 ..the whole .update feels right. At this point in the game it makes no sense hyping updates with major number changes if they are only minor updates.

        If you like lots of hype,number changes then IOS has something for you.

        Friend

      • NYCHitman1

        Fragmentation theory is now kaput after Google made virtually all gapps available for download from the Play Store.

      • DoctorJB

        Here’s a nice read. It covers how Google is using minor updates to fight fragmentation.

        http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/

        • Elliot Kotis

          WTF cares about fragmentation, just give us a bigger update!

      • Just_Some_Nobody

        Numbers don’t really matter.
        They could go from 4.X to Android 2014 to Android axyz and it’s all the same. Numbers don’t matter.
        Who care’s about cool? I don’t own a phone for other people. I own it for me.

    • Butters619

      Internally it was KLP until very recently. And actually from the looks of everything leaked it’s still KLP internally.

  • pubasnacks77

    I can haz on Verizon?