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Samsung’s Super AMOLED HD Screens Bring Back the PenTile Matrix?

When Samsung swapped out the “Plus” for “HD” in its new screen on the Galaxy Note and Galaxy SII HD LTE, we initially thought that was a good thing.  Turns out that the “Plus” may have played a bigger roll than most people noticed.  According to a new report and the pictures you are seeing above, the Super AMOLED HD that was recently introduced may in fact be a PenTile (RG-BG) display as we once saw on the original Galaxy S line and not the RGB Stripe that we love in the Super AMOLED Plus.

Before we all start freaking out at the thought of this screen landing on the Galaxy Nexus - OK, feel free to freak a little – you have to remember that with 316 PPI, you shouldn’t notice the hatching for the most part. Just look at this image we took of the DROIDX2′s PenTile and tell me if you will hate this HD version from Samsung.  I sure won’t.   And if you look at the image above, this RG-BG PenTile can at least make mostly straight lines as compared to the RGBW PenTile that Motorola has made famous this year.  While I have not held the Note, I have not heard or read a single complaint about the screen.

The problem (at least to my knowledge), is that you won’t get the same battery benefits as with RGBW, but that was sort of expected at an HD level.  The phone has a lot more work to do – expect to see some massive batteries included.

Everyone relax, it should still be a beautiful Galaxy Nexus HD display.

*Note – Many in the comments are pointing out that this was sort of expected in the first wave of “HD” screens.  Super AMOLED Plus HD will probably cure some incurable disease then.

Via:  thegadgetlife, Phandroid

  • Anonymous

    You people are whacked thinking all this conspiracy crap. They are both Pentile, both Super AMOLED and Super AMOLED Plus have less green sub pixels to closer match the human eye’s perception of color in life. The difference is an added white sub pixel and the different pixel array to save energy. That’s it….. they didn’t put back any green sub pixels because that’s what makes Super AMOLED more life like in the first place. It all based on the design changes that make it closer matched to the human eye and now being better aligned. Which is how PenTile came into being in the first place!!! ….. the inventor was a woman who noticed that our eye’s are more sensitive to green. So she took around 30% of the green sub pixels out! ….and that doesn’t change the over all pixel count you idiots are trying to use to prove it is not HD!!! 

    Get your thinking caps back on and stop this asinine conspiracy theory crap!!!

  • Anonymous

    So wait a sec..we know for sure this is going to be the same kind of screen that will be on the Gallaxy Nexus?

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for all the sensationalism and bitching Kellex.

  • Balls

    man DL hates that pentile lol

  • Pennywise

    LOL!!!! (this article/news) Oh man good times:D Well the GOOD news is that the Bionic’s (pentile) LCD is actually pretty darn good!! The bad news is that this is still OLED ; )

  • Anonymous

    What every blog seems to forget: RGBW (motorola) is a lot harsher than RGBG pentile (what samsung uses).

    The reason is simple.  The white subpixel cannot display any information but brightness.  However, our eyes are very sensitive to information in the green spectrum, so the second green pixel actually does supply information we can use.  So by the numbers, the RGBW is 50% less resolution, while RGBG is 33% less resolution, but the RGBG tosses out less used information.  It could be a mere 10% resolution drop in color, and less in pure information.

  • Anonymous

    i think your overreacting a bit kellex. i really doubt this will even be noticable. like grizzly atoms said no ones looking at their phones through a microscope.

    • saaywhaaat

      say that to the bionic hater. 

  • thegadgetlife

    Check out the original thegadgetlife link, (disclosure: I wrote it), the phandroid summary is rather incorrect and misleading. The point is that these are essentially the same screens as the SGS2 reconfigured to be able to claim HD resolutions.

  • Wunderwaffe

    Why is it that DROID LIFE praises every phone except the DROIDs (wont even mention stupid iphones). I understand that some of the things Motorola does are just dumb, but really, where is the love for the company that started it all.

    • http://profiles.google.com/staticx57 staticx57 is the best at every

      There are DROIDs that use RGBG pentile…

      Ok so maybe only one, but the fact is that RGBG is not as bad as RGBW.

      And I’m sorry to say that this blog has evolved to cover almost every verizon android phone and not just those with the DROID brand.

  • Anonymous

    All the screens have been pentile, it’s the quality of the pentile screen used that makes it better or worse.  Motorola uses terrible quality pentile with an 8 instead of 12 per pixel.

    Go to your 1080P TV and look at it at nose length, you’ll see the same square pattern as you see in this picture, the difference is, it’s not Motorola’s terrible diagonal stitching pattern.

    • http://profiles.google.com/staticx57 staticx57 is the best at every

      Actually, pentile uses two subpixels to display 1 full pixel where as a “normal” display uses three subpixels to display one full pixel.

      In the case of RGBG it is one RG and one BG then RG and so on
      and in RGBW it is RG and BW then RG again
      where as a normal display is RGB then RGB then RGB.

  • http://twitter.com/metalhead520 Nick

    Seriously, all this PenTile talk is getting old DL, I love ya guys but scrutinizing a screen under literally a microscope or magnifying glass is a waste of time. People will buy the phones they want to buy. Personally I like the PenTile because its lengthened my extended battery on my Bionic considerably. I got 2 days and 7 hours moderate usage and automatic screen brightness out of the battery. PenTile probably helped in that as well. Sorry about my rant but enough is enough. Peace, love, and chicken grease :-)

  • Trebor Waihee – Yanazaki

    For one, Phandroid just sites thegadgetlife which in turn sites the pictures from an Italian review of the Note ignoring that the review pretty much says it doesn’t make any noticeable difference unless in extreme closeup. I don’t think there is any real proof that this pentile display is the same on the S2 HD or will be on the Nexus. I’d say it could very well have been a conscious decision to place a pentile on the massive Note with a 5 inch display with greater than 720p resolution for battery life reasons. It’s just very alarmist that we’re all going to call the Nexus Prime a loser now because it could have a screen technology that we may not even be able to notice. 

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  • Groid

    I’m just sorry Kellex has such a thing about the Bionic screen.  I love the clear, bright screen and how easy it is to see outdoors.  Not a single person I’ve shown it to has said anything bad about it.  The Bionic is a great phone and is getting a bad rap.

  • Anonymous

    roll = role?

  • micro eyes

    I have a fix for pentile screen….. just close your eyes and bam no more pentile screen.

  • Joseph Carlotti

    Yeah too bad the rgbg mixes too much green into their colors. Just like yellow is mustarfy on rgbw. Far from the answer everyone was looking for. Lmao

    • Joseph Carlotti

      Wow… Musterdy. Lol

  • Me

    SSo if he makes things more clear you will see the pixels more clearly. Don’t worry I’ve come to love the bionic same as people will with this one. Some people will bitch just to bitch

    • Me

      He=hd

  • Anonymous

    Forget Samsung and everyone , seems like Android is paying pattent rights up there ass, time for a change tire of bs gliches 

  • micro eyes

    All i have to say is haha bionic haters. Look at your precious samsung amoled..
    Now all i hear is excuses that oh first wave yea just keep telling yourself that.
    Karma is a b**** for those who diss bionic for a samsung phone. Hahahhhahah

    • Keith Sumner

      Don’t worry, haters will just keep waiting for the next best thing ;)

      • micro eyes

        Have fun waiting. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=25001493 Hank Godwin

      You sound like a 5 year old.  Just stop.

      • micro eyes

        i bet you where trolling on the bionic screen then bam you found out that samsung is gonna have a pentile screen and what you sound like a 5 year old. nice.

    • http://profiles.google.com/staticx57 staticx57 is the best at every

      I’m sorry, what does the Bionic do better? Even assuming you are right and the Galaxy Nexus also doesn’t live up to the hype, what does the bionic do better?

      • Anonymous

        lolumad?

  • Mr.joe

    SWEET!

  • http://profiles.google.com/chrisleighton3 Chris Leighton

    It’s so goddammed HD it doesn’t even matter.

  • PowersUSA

    Well Duh, no “plus” means pentile.

  • Kelson Sebring

    I wonder how this will compare to the Vigor’s rumored 720 screen. The Bionic pentile kills me. I can’t wait to sell it. I can’t imagine, even if the 720p screens are pentile, that they could look as bad as the Bionic.

    • Wunderwaffe

      If you’re selling the BIONIC because of the screen then you’re an idiot.

    • http://profiles.google.com/staticx57 staticx57 is the best at every

      I have an Incredible with AMOLED pentile and it is leagues better than my friends Bionic with pentile. I would wait and see.

  • Zonk

    I didn’t even know my Nexus One had a pen-tile screen until the tech blogs started crying about it. I doubt I’ll notice it on 4.5″ 1280×720 screen.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly…. Great point about the Nexus 1. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

      This is true.  I’ve seen the Nexus One’s pentile screen.  It is MUCH better than what Motorola uses on the X3, D3, and Bionic.  Those are just awful.

  • Anonymous

    I thought we all knew this.  It will be very interesting to compare Samsung’s screen against HTC’s non pentile LCD screen on the vigor.  I’ll wait to pass judgement until I see them both in person.  I hate pentile, but hopefully at this resolution it won’t be noticeable.

  • Anonymous

    I guess I’m not sure what the point here is, other than trying to rile people up over PenTile….which apparently isn’t an issue here.

  • Anthony Alves

    lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooo. My turn to troll samsung lovers. My bionic has pentile and so does your new “HD” phones =] 

    Karma’s a BITCH!!!

    • Keith Sumner

      And the thing is, The Bionic’s screen is fine!

    • http://profiles.google.com/staticx57 staticx57 is the best at every

      So what you are saying is that qHD pentile is better than 720p pentile?

      It’s a lose lose for you.

      • http://whitemarket.freeforums.org/ Avery Dejuan Herron

        qHD & 720p are screen resolutions the pentile part is how they put the screen together.

  • Anonymous

    It looks very similar to me except (RG-BG PenTile) it looks out of focus, and the RGBW PenTile looks more in focus and crisp. I don’t know anyone that holds their phone that close to their face either.  :)  :>)

  • Anonymous

    Once you get to a certain resolution more does not lead to additional benefit.

  • Trooper

    Kinda sucks.

  • Vaporware

    According to the sorced articles they will be RGBW and thus will look almost as bad as the screens used on the Moto devices. Lets see if we get the same amount of hate from the same people hating on Moto. I would say that this is  just desserts formall the haters!

    • Anonymous

      IF…IF…the Pentile setup looks very similar to the Bionics….I too wanna see if it gets the same amount of hate.

      Cuz remember….the Nexus 1, HTC Incredible, Galaxy S1 ALL used Pentile…and for some reason it became one of  the greatest disasters in the history of Motorola when they ….finally…decided to use it.

      You read my mind..

      • http://twitter.com/expertontech Tylar Overturf

        Those phones used  a different kind of pentile.

      • http://whitemarket.freeforums.org/ Avery Dejuan Herron

        Yes they all used pintiles but they all didn’t use the same tech to make the sub pixels that is what makes the finance here RGBW us different from RGB, RG-BG, etc……..

    • Anonymous

      You weirdos are freaking whacked! lol…… RGBW is extra white sub pixels to help use less energy and unless Moto bought screens from Samsung you idiots are talking out your ass! ….it’s patented!

  • Anonymous

    I am SO ready for an official announcement or at least a preview of the Nexus Prime or whatever the hell it’s being called now.

    • Anonymous

      Sorry bud, I don’t think that it will happen. I’m sure google would be the first to announce their device. 

      • Anonymous

        Keep in mind. Honeycomb was essentially announced by Google, but during Motorola’s CES press event announcing the XOOM. The Nexus Prime could easily be announced jointly by Google and Samsung at CTIA.

      • Anonymous

        Hot off the press! “Google and Samsung Team Up for CTIA Event”

  • Dave

    I don’t think it will be as bad as Motorola’s displays. In fact I’m betting it will be fine for most people. As long as there’s no crosshatching then I’ll still be on board.

    • Anthony Etter

      How are they bad, I have only seen the pixelation when looking at my phone 3 inches from my face. I find looking at any screen that closely would hurt my eyes. So, the screens aren’t bad at all. They may not be as good as Samsung’s Super AMOLED Plus, but they still are worth it. The battery consumption and brightness. Also the SAMOLED Plus has too deep of colors for me, because they look less realistic.  

  • Anonymous

    Sorry Kellen, this is not news. I think you even reported this a month ago. We’ve all known how AMOLED = PenTile and AMOLED Plus = RGB-striped and how AMOLED HD would go through the same process (HD = PenTile, HD Plus = RGB-striped).

    HD screens with their 720p res are crazy expensive right now since they are new, one of many reasons for why Samsung opted for the PenTile instead (also, huge screens with high res = more battery, so PenTile helps lower the consumption).

    We’ll see AMOLED HD+ sometime before summer.

  • http://twitter.com/James_C_L James C. L.

    Not again!!!!

  • Anonymous

    What I see about this that I find a bit amusing, is that we did not really see this level of scrutiny on the original pentile matrix display on the original SuperAMOLED.  There was some, but nothing like the level that the Motorola pen-tile matrix RGBW display has brought.  That one made headlines and makes everyone deathly afraid of the term “pentile.”  I think we need to stop worrying about the tech behind it and actually look at it and make the decision then.

    • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

      While you’re correct, I’ve seen the Galaxy I’s pentile screen, and it’s pretty terrible.  Not nearly as bad as what Motorola is churning out, but still not good at all.

      • Anonymous

        I still love that all the reviews raved about how great the SAMOLED screen on the original SGS was but now that there is something better we are hating on it like it is a monochrome lcd from 1998.

        That said, the display on the SGS looks bright and great for movies, but text was a little iffy.

      • Anonymous

        Not at all true, in either case.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe you don’t remember, but it was pretty widely discussed during the era of the Nexus One and the Droid Incredible.

      • Anonymous

        I remember it came up primarily once the Droid Incredible started shipping with the SLCD instead of the SAMOLED, but I don’t remember it making near as many waves as it is now, after the introduction of Motorola’s pentile matrix display that just about everyone seems to hate.

        • http://profiles.google.com/staticx57 staticx57 is the best at every

          Compare the shots of the Droid X2 and the Nexus S. Both have pentile but the Droid X2 looks much worse.

          • Anonymous

            That is part of what I am saying.  Only after the DX2 and Atrix did people really start to grumble about the term pentile.  It is just the layout of the subpixels.  Moto uses a different layout and it is not SAMOLED, so people are complaining about it.  For quite a while, everyone was praising the SGS screen for being vivid and bright.  I can’t count the number of reviews that thought that screen was amazing.  There was a little fuss about its subpixel layout (pentile matrix RGBG) for a while, but nothing like what Moto stirred up by using the “pentile matrix RGBW” layout on a non SAMOLED.  

            Bottom line is that when a new technology comes out that is better, the older one that used to be the best is now not as good and everyone complains about the older technology that they once heralded as great.  Blah, I’m done.

  • Anonymous

    REZOUND….FTW!

    • Anonymous

      Yes, but please don’t call it that (until we absolutely have to).

  • EC8CH

    This has been rumored for months now…  first generation HD SAMOLED screen will be pentile, and the next evolution will bring back the RBG matrix.

  • Anonymous

    As an atrix owner, I don’t think pentile is as bad as everyone makes it out to be… unnoticeable unless you’re uncomfortably close to the screen.  Samsung makes quality displays so we shouldn’t expect anything but a high quality display.

    • Anonymous

      FYI, The PenTile matrix used on Motorola phones is different from that of AMOLED displays. Motorola uses RGBW and Samsung uses RGBG.

      I hope it will be less noticeable at such a high resolution, it used to bug me on my Incredible but I learned to live with it as a trade off for having such a beautiful display. I’d be curious to see a comparison between a qHD (960 x 540) Super AMOLED Plus display (no PenTile) and 1280 x 720 Super AMOLED at the same screen size, I’d guess the qHD Super AMOLED Plus would look better since it would most likely be sharper and the processor / GPU wouldn’t be working as hard to push so many pixels.

      I was kind blown away when they announced the Galaxy Tab 7.7 with a 1280 x 800 Super AMOLED Plus display, I thought for sure that it would either be 1280 x 800 Super AMOLED with PenTile or 1024 x 600 Super AMOLED Plus. I have to have one just for the display everything else is a bonus (1.4GHz dual-core Exynos processor, 5,100 mAh battery, 7.89mm thickness, 335g weight), it will be my first tablet and it will be a beast, no doubt.

      • Vaporware

        Perhaps read the sorce links. They are saying it will be RGBW not RGBG.

        • Anonymous

          Thegadgetlife says RGBG, and the Phandroid article doesn’t even mention RGBW, just used a picture of RGBW to demonstrate the difference between RGB and PenTile, but honestly I think they just grabbed a picture not really thinking about the differences between RGBW and RGBG.

      • Anonymous

        “I’d guess the qHD Super AMOLED Plus would look better since it would most likely be sharper and the processor / GPU wouldn’t be working as hard to push so many pixels.”

        Exactly.  1280×720 on a sub 5″ screen is absolutely pointless as well unless you like to look at your screen with magnifying glasses.

  • http://twitter.com/GRZLA Grizzly Atoms

    So this is a big deal to people putting microscopes up to their phone?

    This is first world problems.

    • http://twitter.com/gamercore Chris Chavez

      Smartphones in general are first world problems. Lol

    • Anonymous

      Exactly, I think pentile has its shortcomings but seriously people look way to hard for flaws. I think the ones who notice it the most are the ones who have it pressed up against there face looking for any flaw. Who uses a smartphone like that. It reminds me of the people who complain about the pixelation of 720p hdtv’s because there face is like 6″ away from the screen. 

    • Anonymous

      You and I are very much in agreement.

    • Anonymous

      Well it’s not just the blocky subpixel pattern; the more obvious negatives of PenTile are poorer color accuracy (bluer whites) and a green and blue edge to white objects (particularly text). I doubt it will bother me at this resolution/ppi but even so I would rather have a lower resolution with an RGB pattern.

  • Keith Sumner

    LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO TO ALL YOU BIONIC HATERS, AND WHINERS. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • EC8CH

      A Samsung HD SAMOLED screen even if it is Pentile is still vastly different than the Bionic’s screen…

      sorry to burst your LOL fest.

      • Keith Sumner

        I mad.

    • Anonymous

      Because 960×540 LCD pentile > 1280×720 SAMOLED pentile?

      • Keith Sumner

        No, because the same shit everyone complained about before with the Bionic, have a taste of their own medicine, and they made the same complaints before without even seeing the screen first hand.

        • Anonymous

          Well, technically speaking, it’s not *quite* the same. RGBG arrangement is quite a bit different than RGBW(most would say superior in terms of looks)

    • Anthony Alves

      Karma’s a bitch =P

      • Anthony Alves

        So is Anthony Alves.

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