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RIP, Nexus. Now Get Over It.

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Too soon? Maybe. But I don’t know how else to put it to the Nexus lifers who are screaming frustrations in the comments about Google’s new high-priced Pixel phones, phones that have signaled the end of Google’s beloved, nerd-focused hardware line. I know it’s going to be hard to just “get over it,” but think about the positives here with Pixel. 

This certainly looks like Google being really serious about phones for the first time and that could very well mean an even better experience for you and I. According to a report out of Bloomberg, Google has walled off the newish hardware division led by former Motorola boss, Rick Osterloh, from the Android team, much in the way they did when they owned Motorola. I don’t know about you guys, but a similar “firewall” produced the original Moto X, a phone that is still one of my favorites of all time largely in part because it introduced software features that have helped shape all of our current phones. It’s almost as if these supposed separations help enable brilliant minds to outdo or surprise those on the other side.

Keep in mind that these Pixel phones finally represent a top-to-bottom vision of an Android phone from Google as well. While HTC may have pieced together these phones on the manufacturing side of things, these are 100% Google designs. That means each and every component is based on what Google, the controller of Android, thought would work the best with their own operating system. That should mean that it has been fine-tuned like no other Android phone to not only take advantage of the latest in Android, but to display that to you and I as well.

That’s not all that different from Nexus phones, I get that. But in a way, it’s taking the Nexus approach that you all love so much and then cranking it up another notch by leaving out additional players. This is Google saying, “We’re gonna do this our way 100% and we hope you like it.”

Sure, the prices are not what you are used to seeing. In fact, many of you are outright angry over the top tier pricing of the Pixel phones that compares to what Samsung and Apple price their phones at. I don’t necessarily have a way to fight those arguments, especially after years of reasonably priced Nexus phones. My only thought is that at least Google is offering their own financing now to help soften the blow. But look, Google thinks these are phones that compare to the best in the business and should be priced as such. And if these phones are as good as Google thinks, they may be worth it. After all, Samsung and Apple kill everyone in the business in sales volume and none of their phones are $400. All of their flagship phones, the phones they sell the most of, are $650 and above. The Galaxy Note 7 started at $850 and sold millions out of the gate. Clearly, people are willing to shell out for the goods.

And in the end, what’s the better choice? If you are a Google enthusiast who loved Nexus devices, the Pixel phones are the phones built for you. They are more of Google’s vision for Android than ever before. Isn’t that mostly what you loved about Nexus? Or was it really just the damn price? Google designed every ounce of these and is even giving them exclusive features that no other phone currently has access to. They’ll get swift updates, they work on every single carrier, and they’ll get whatever new goodness Google comes up with first. Generally speaking, these are Nexus phones, just under a new name and fully realized by Google. That sure sounds like the phone we have all dreamed of.

Are they perfect? Well, no. We would love to have seen water resistance, less bezel, and stereo speakers. And you know what? We’ll likely ding the Pixels in those areas come review time. But I still don’t see, even with those flaws, how Nexus lovers aren’t excited for what Google just unveiled.

Try to move beyond the price, just like Tim told you when the Galaxy Note 7 was introduced. Trade in your old phone. Sell it somewhere. Sign-up for financing. You have options to make the higher-than-expected cost come down. And when you do that, enjoy Google’s new phone that could very well be a better version of Nexus.

  • balaams_ass

    So what does this mean ?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectFi/comments/56yqgw/introducing_project_fis_group_plan/

    “Phones are an important part of any group plan which is why in addition to supporting Google’s new Pixel devices, we’ll continue to offer the Nexus 5X and 6P through the Project Fi site.”

  • mickrussom

    Ive owned every Nexus. Skipping PIXEL. RIP OFF. And Google support sucks compared to apple. My review. Decent phones. However they are two (2x) times the price they should be. SHAME on Google for becoming greedy shysters. They sell your data AND charge top dollar now. This is treason against all of us Nexus loyalists. Also the obsession to prevent full experience with rooted devices by Google is disgusting. Next phone may be time to switch. No waterproofing, no IP67, no expandable storage, massive bezels and no removable battery. Pixel (non-XL) is just stupid price- over twice the price of the phone it replaces. Disappointed by a google which is getting more and more greedy and determined to fragment the Android OS until its so bad they are the only “game in town” with apple-priced devices? I spit on them for this.

  • 3223

    Which makes HTC the perfect company to pair with. Excellent build quality with little to no brand value, desperate enough for survival right now and is in dire need of cash rather than branding.

    I can imagine Google negotiating with HTC. A phone created by HTC but with no HTC branding. In exchange, the phones are priced so very highly and a large portion can be given to cash starved HTC. Only a cash starved company will agree to this.

    • The Calm Critic

      Plausible except for HTC to completely shift from being an OEM to ODM (like how you don’t see any Foxconn own designed and branded devices when they build iPhones for Apple), this means at least a significant proper investment from Google into it and that’s after a highly probable Taiwanese meltdown at seeing what’s technically their most global tech co.’s announcement about that.

      Not saying that it’s a bad idea but still gonna be messy. Also Samsung won’t be quiet about that like how they screwed El Goog over Moto pre-Lenovo.

      • 3223

        You’re right, just that HTC was originally an ODM (for O2, among others) before dabbling into the OEM market.

        Also, looking at the other news, considering how huawei was supposedly the first manufacturer approached by le goog to create the pixel and turned the offer down due to branding issues, it would take a desperate company to agree to manufacture a phone and not allow an iota of their brand to be plastered on the phone.

        Now again, discussing purely on hypothesis, if i am a company facing financial turmoil (a la HTC), brand recognition would be the last thing on my mind as opposed to lining my coffers with cash. Which could be a possible reason why pixels were rather expensive (to placate htc for not having its branding in place)

  • gboybama

    “They’ll get swift updates.” Why would we assume this? More like they’ll get swift updates until Google sees something else shiny they want to pursue and they forget the “Pixels” ever existed.

  • Theot

    Sorry, normally I agree with you guys but there’s no reason Google, Apple or Samsung need to charge $700+ for a phone other than greed and people need to stop paying that much for them. The 2 things that made some of the nexus devices great was the ability to unlock/root and the price. Price is a big consideration and I will not pay $700+ for a phone, because its a phone. And telling people to sell their current phones and pony up several hundred dollars or finance it is the wrong answer. The reason Apple and Samsung sell so many expensive phones is because of subsidies and payment plans. I think people are starting to get wise to this and its going to change because the budget devices are really good and I’m tired of spending more than a car payment a month for cell service and phone payments.

  • LeVvE

    The way I feel is Nexus phones had flaws, but it was ok because they were cheap. Now they have a phone with flaws that is not cheap. It is being marketed as a flagship but it lacks so many flagship specs.

    I’m still very anal about bezels and I still feel like the best phone I’ve had to date when it comes to bezels is the G2 and I was really hoping it was going to set the standard going forward but we’re going backwards more and more every year. We’ve back to iPhone 4 bezels ffs.

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  • Lurking_Grue

    My only problems with the pixel: No front facing speakers, that Chin and too small.

  • Michael B

    I’m not mad about the price of they offered something better than the 6p. They didn’t. Gone are stereo speakers and then they add more bezel and give us less value for the money. I won’t spend that money for a new phone. Guess i will just get used pixels and let someone else eat the depreciation. I sure will skip this current iteration though. If I wanted something that looked like a iPhone I would of just bought one.

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  • Trevor

    I’m totally fine with Nexus becoming Pixel, but the prices seem outrageous. If they were able to sell the 6P as (comparatively) cheap as they were, why can’t the Pixel phones be near the same price? I don’t see them as that much more premium. Even more so, the ratio of the quality of the 6P to phones at its release isn’t much (or any) worse than the ratio of the quality of the Pixel vs its competition, so how do they justify the huge price hike? From a business standpoint, I get it; other companies can sell the phones at those kind of prices, so why shouldn’t Google? That just sucks for us.

  • Daniel Wolfy

    This article sounds like the DNC telling Sanders supporters to get over it and just accept HRC. Phones have officially become politics LOL

  • HaroldCallahan

    What we loved about Nexus isn’t pricing or features or pure Google vision or prompt updates. What we loved was HACKABILITY. That’s the one thing that Pixel takes away, and it’s the one thing this article completely ignores. No wonder this author is so out of touch. Pixel phones are not developer friendly. Sorry Kellex, I’m not buying it.

    • Kevin

      isn’t it just the verizon version that’s not unlockable?

      • HaroldCallahan

        I’m talking about bootloader unlocking, not SIM card unlocking.

    • With the exception of Verizon store Pixels they are unlocked are they not? If so then they are every bit as hackable as Nexus devices are/were. My only wish is that Google didn’t implement carrier SIM card checks for tethering like they did in the N6. I prefer not to hack my brand new phone just to get functionality that’s already there in the first place.

      • HaroldCallahan

        I’m talking about bootloader unlocking, not SIM card unlocking. In addition, even disregarding the unlocking issue, Pixel phones are harder to root because they have a more complicated partitioning scheme in order to support seamless updates.

        • Lol well I stand corrected then. Considering your knowledge on these devices my question/thought for you is this:

          Since Google has decided to take over every part of their devices from manufacturing to software optimization(ala iPhone) do you see them being friendly to those who like to tinker with their devices or not?

          It’s a really vague question but also a relevant one. I see the benefits to a “full Google experience” as outweighing those of previous Nexus devices so we don’t have to mess with them in the first place.

          Having been an iPhone guy years ago I can see both perspectives.

          • HaroldCallahan

            So far, with the Nexus line of phones, Google has been very friendly to tinkerers. I don’t think that will continue. Of course I don’t know for sure what Google’s plans are.

            The problem with not having a Nexus line is that the Android Open Source Program is kind of an empty promise if there’s no open hardware to run it on. I can see that the market share for Pixel is far, far larger than the Nexus crowd. But I don’t see why we should just “get over it” regarding the Nexus’s apparent demise. Nexus was something really special that no other mobile platform ever had.

          • I wholeheartedly agree. The enjoyment of rooting and customizing a nexus will always be there for me even if I don’t have the time for it anymore. Hopefully Google respects it’s Nexus roots (and fans like me And you) and allows the Pixel platform to be more open than its competitors.

  • d-rock

    I see no real advantages of a Pixel for day to day smart phone usage. I don’t trust Google anymore. They have been shifting gears to a more anti consumer strategy for the past couple years.

    The Pixel is severely lacking…Pretty nexus at full feature price.

    • Me

      Anymore? Lol not like they’ve been mining your data for upwards of a decade. Amirite?

  • paul_cus

    Nexus in nature, Pixel in price.

  • Emil Simunovic

    Pixel is not same like Nexus at all. Start with locked bootloader. Nexus was easy unlockable and community around it was and still is huge. With locked bootloader the things will go a lot different. It is not the same that’s for sure.

    • JSo

      Only Verizon versions have a locked bootloader. That’s what i read anyway

      • Emil Simunovic

        Well, again that Pixel phone bootloader is locked. For everyone else we din’t know…

        • JSo

          If you’re tech-y enough to unlock and root and do all that stuff, do you really need technical support? lol

          • Emil Simunovic

            That is correct, I am but why I need to pay for it then. If is Pixel another “Samsung variant” of Google where is developer phone now. Nexus line should not be killed like this.

  • vtpmt81

    I think the Pixel is going to be a really good phone. It has many major issues covered – speed, camera, good display, latest software. I have a Nexus 6p. I am not upset about not getting Assistant (if true) or the Pixel Launcher. I have Allo on my phone and can use Assistant there. I use Nova Launcher.
    Now I also get that the Pixel is “Google’s preferred version” of Android and that there is nothing wrong with a change in vision and direction. My worry is that Google’s way doesn’t include wireless charging, stereo speakers, industry leading battery life, waterproofing, or expandable storage. It is okay to leave these out – but if you do and you want to charge between $649-$869, that is an issue. Apple charges this – but they have stores where you can get your phone serviced, waterproofing on the newest model, good battery life, and an optimized OS. Google hasn’t gotten messaging right yet and doesn’t design its own CPU/GPU chips IMHO and is behind Apple’s iMessage and A-Series chips. I honestly would have liked to see Google do Pixel phones with its own custom silicon chips and design. I want to see Google push the envelope on design.

  • Teejay Card

    I just want Daydream on my 6p. 🙁

  • Christos Sfiatkos

    Google became Apple. Theoretically, the nexus phones WERE designed by google and WERE what google had visioned at the time they were launched. i don’t see how pixel phones are more designed by google. ok, yes, the apple way (one device from one manufacturer and all the models to get the update at the same time) is better than expecting when LG for example will release her version of the last update, but they could do it with a more reasonable price. i paid 550 euros for the nexus 6p last year and now google tells me that my device is too old to get the update? ok. screw google. if i have to give 649 dollars for a new phone, i ll get the iphone (since the pixels will be more difficult to be rooted from now on).

  • Dr. Steve

    You’re lying to yourself if you think this was designed by Google from the ground up. This is an HTC 10 with a Google logo on it. In plainer terms, this is a mid level phone at top shelf prices. You named so many sacrifices we’re suppose to overlook. Speakers, water resistance, bezel, and that damn chin. This phone is a rip off. Nexus phones had fewer hardware sacrifices for less money. This will flop. The 6P looks better every day.

    • MasterSoup

      Not really, the HTC 10 has a different back!

      • Dr. Steve

        Oh, right. And the lack of home button means Google totally designed it ALL.

  • Cowboydroid

    The Pixel program is going to fall flat on its face with those prices. And I can’t wait for it happen. Google needs some sense slapped into them.

  • BoFiS

    As long as they’re still planning on releasing some tablets, esp a replacement for the Nexus 7, who cares what they call it?

  • Jon

    Everytime I buy a Samsung phone on T-Mobile, I get something free. A year of Netflix, A new Gear Fit 2, A VR Headset. You don’t get anything free with the Pixel or an iPhone. I got the Gear Fit 2 watch with my Note 7 and even though I already had the Samsung Gear 2, it is my new favorite watch and I wear it daily.

    So bang for the buck, I still think Samsung has the edge. I’ll believe it when I see it in terms of a camera that surpasses Samsungs latest flagship.

    • Mike

      If you pre order the Pixel (Either one) you get a free Daydream VR Headset worth $80. Straight from their Pixel page.

  • Brandon Sobotta

    I appreciate this article. I’m thinking Google will be just fine without all the whiner’s. Go find yourselves a used iPhone.

  • dandar

    My Droid Turbo offers rugged build, wireless charging, water/splash resistance, quad HD amoled screen; performance, battery life and to a lesser degree camera on Par with Moto Z Play. I think I’ll wait to see what Google and Sammy have to offer next round. I can’t see myself spending $600+ only having to put my phone in a case if it’s a Sammy or to lose features like wireless charging and water resistance in case of the Pixel. So for now thanks, but I’ll pass.

  • I’m looking forward to the Pixel devices once they come out. I’ll probably play the waiting game for a few months just for all of the bugs to be worked and for stock of the phones to be plentiful. A high tier, finalized device that runs Android the way Google envisioned it is completely worth the price. My only wish is that other carriers outside of Verizon would carry the device, but with Google offering financing I guess it’s not too bad of an option. If the Google assistant is brought to other devices outside of Allo and the Pixels then I’d be satisfied.

  • Jay

    The old Iphone 4s gets ios10 while Google still has no clue what they’re doing with 1-2 year old nexus phones. Mmm.

    • Me

      iOS 10 only goes back to the 5.

      • Jay

        That’s still damn good. The 5 came out back in sept 2012.

  • osgoodschlotter

    When will Google realize that dumping a product line after 5-6 years only alienates their fan base, and gives them cold feet when it comes to ever trusting them again.

    Think Google Reader, Wave, Glass, and now Nexus.

    I’m pretty much done with these guys. I have absolutely zero incentive for trusting them at this point.

    • needa

      So what is going to happen? Their fan base is going to start buying cheap iphones? Let em. Who cares?

      • osgoodschlotter

        Because if their fan base isn’t buying the new $800 Pixel… Google has yet another flop on its hands. And there are some of us who would have liked Google phones to continue on. Now, it’s possible that Pixel may end up killing the concept of Google phones altogether.

        • needa

          Don’t be so pessimistic. Google’s hardware division isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Sundar made it a point to specifically say just that at the keynote.

          • osgoodschlotter

            I never said Google would abandon their hardware division… but just because you have the deep pockets necessary to develop (repeated) flop products, doesn’t mean you should.

            But we’ve seen this before, and this is Google’s tried and true business model: throw sh*t at the wall – if one out of 10 sticks, we’re still in the black. Then just kill off the other nine, because we’re big enough to deal with the fallout.

            The problem is many people (like myself) are becoming wise to their game. Why buy into a product/system we know may not exist in 5 years, just because Google felt like it was time to slough it off? This is becoming tired already. (see Wave, Reader, Glass, Nexus, et al)

          • needa

            Don’t be ‘wise’ to their game… play the game. Enjoy it. Life is much easier that way.

  • KR

    “That’s not all that different from Nexus phones, I get that. But in a way, it’s taking the Nexus approach that you all love so much and then cranking it up another notch by leaving out additional players.”

    The problem with this statement, is there isn’t much to qualify it. Leaving out what additional players? On the consumer end, that doesn’t really mean anything. At the end of the day, we do know HTC built the phone (with a lack of any credit), so there’s little functional difference.The only other players appear to be other carriers, lost to the exclusivity deal…so less opportunities for consumers to grab this at “subsidized” prices, without running their credit through a bank.

    “Generally speaking, these are Nexus phones, just under a new name and fully realized by Google.”

    With a large price bump attached, for little other reason than “this is Google’s TRUE vision”. Which sounds good but means very little when we dig a bit deeper. Google doesn’t do hardware, they focus on software. They sourced parts and a partner to build the device, and fit their OS in there. So from an Android perspective, you’re absolutely right, these are Nexus phones, but we’re relying on the hardware to really bolster this vision, and it’s difficult to say it stands out enough to really shift attitudes in the way Google wants.

    • trevorsalienarms

      Exactly. Very well put.

    • Sporttster

      Nexus phones=unlocked BL. Pixel phones=nada. Not a developer friendly device….

      • JSo

        From what I have read, only the Verizon versions can’t be unlocked. Other versions can.

  • Realistic87

    gotta pay more if you want more stupid chin at the bottom

    • Greyhame

      I’m seriously thinking the bezels are to accommodate it fitting into Daydream VR’s headset…

  • MJ

    I have bought and owned the Nexus Galaxy (Verizon), Nexus 5, and the Nexus 7 (2013) and will get over it by buying… An One Plus 3 or a discounted Nexus 6P from Best Buy or via Google Fi as my next phone. I would almost buy an iPhone before a Pixel phone.

    • Greyhame

      Cool story, bro.

      • MJ

        Cool troll, bro.

        • Greyhame

          It’s so easy to get under your skin. My god, man. It’s comical. You’re trolling the Pixels, so be prepared to be trolled yourself.

        • Brett Wcislo

          “I would almost buy an iPhone before a Pixel phone”, someone’s a troll but it’s not Greyhame.

  • Nayners

    I’m with you, Kellen, I don’t quite understand most of hate that this is bringing to the Android community. This is the type of phone I have wanted for a long time from Google. Is the price high? Ya, it is. I don’t care though, the pros outweigh the cons, to me. I’m super stoked to receive my Really Blue Pixel.

  • Aaron

    posts article to quit whining.
    folks continue to whine.

    just get an axon or moto already. geez.

  • ddevito

    Below is a list of everything Google’s abandoned over the years, I wonder how it will take until the Pixel phones will be on this list:

    Google Wave
    Google Buzz
    Google Plus
    Google Reader
    Google Code
    Google Code Search
    iGoogle
    Orkut
    Google Checkout
    Google Gears
    Google TV
    Google Video
    Google Latitude
    Google Helpouts

    Apps/Services that are pretty much abandoned at this point or aren’t getting feature updates
    -Google Voice
    -Android Accessory (SDK) Kit
    -Google Platform Development Kit
    -Hangouts
    -Google Now
    -Google Now on Tap
    -Android TV
    -Android Auto
    -Google Nearby
    -Google Play for education

    Hardware
    -Project Ara
    -Nexus Q
    -Google Glass
    -Pixel C (but may have life)
    -Chromebook Pixel
    -Nexus 9
    -Nexus 7
    -Google Play edition phones

    Services launched without any updates
    -Weave
    -Brillo
    -The 24 month guarantee for updates

    • Brett Wcislo

      Your list isn’t entirely accurate, Android Auto alone is actually blowing up. You just won’t know it unless your car supports it, and those are just starting to show up. And I’d expect something to happen with Android TV with the release of Google Home.

      I do support your overall point though, I’ve always said Google has major ADD.

  • Brett Wcislo

    Sorry, all but like 2 maybe 3 Nexus phones were really overrated. Google needed a fresh start in the phone market.

  • eli

    I think this seals the deal with Android for me at least. The one phone that Google rightfully supported from previous generations and now it’s pretty much been dropped on its head. I’m done, iPhone 7 here I come.

  • King_Android

    I knew when they split up into Alphabet that things were going to change for the worst. And here we are… I am sure this is just the start.

  • Święty

    This article has me confused. (I’m generally so, but still). There are two separate articles debating each other here.

    This is not really about price. It’s not.

    I’m betting most Nexus fans have no objection for Google to make it’s own Google phone. The prettier and more impressive, the better – have at it Google! But the moment the Pixel phone differentiates itself with exclusive software or hardware features, is the same moment it stops being truly stock Android. It’s essentially now one more manufacturer’s version of Android.

    Everyone agrees Nexus phones were not out to be Lamborginis or Harleys. When Google killed Nexus, it basically is telling every mechanic to stop building your own cars and go buy a Mercedes at the dealership. …told every cook or chef to stop preparing feasts at home and eat at the Hotel Restarant every night.

    Like it or not, it’s Google’s physocotic middle-finger to it’s own, wonderful “Be different, Not the Same” campaign.

    Long live the beautiful new Pixel phones, but let’s not insist these are Nexus replacements.

  • Long time nexus owner. Bought what I thought was a pretty close to perfect Nexus 6p.

    The approach feels greedy. They could have charged a premium if they had mage a huge leap forward. Honestly, it doesn’t seem to be worth twice what a Nexus 6p was set at. If it really had the features a $900 price tag demands then I might understand. No stereo speakers, no water proofing, no sd card, 4gb of ram (other phones at this range can give 6gb), no available 64 gb option and the 32 is a joke (left with like 22gb of usable space).

    You want to charge the highest price. Then you have to beat everyone in most things. I don’t see how the pixel does that…

    • Sporttster

      Nailed it. I’d rather buy a Note 7 at this price point than a Pixel. Cannot compete in this price range….

  • vzwuser76

    My problem is Google seems to have gone “full Apple” here. They aren’t offering the same things in terms of features as the competition they’re pricing themselves at (IPxx and OIS for starters). They did the whole “offer a small and large storage capacity but skip one storage level to push people to the higher level” trick like Apple does. No word on if they’ll support these as long as Apple does their devices, but they’re already planning to strip updates for older devices. At least Apple waits couple years before doing that instead of on the previous model like they are with the 5x/6p.

    Sure, I wanted a premium Google device to compete head to head with Apple, I just didn’t think they’d have to match Apple point for point to do it. I wanted a premium Google phone, I didn’t want them to turn into Apple.

    • Sean Bello

      Apple finally started skipping an in between storage size because charging $100 for an extra 16GB was one of the biggest consumer insults ever. And now they go up to 256. Guess why? Because you get very limited iCloud storage, so if you want all of that stuff backed up to iCloud, you’ll be shelling out for extra cloud storage for the duration of them using that OS.

      • vzwuser76

        It still doesn’t change the fact that it will most likely result in people opting for the higher storage tier. Looking at the preorders from yesterday, most all of the devices that are sold out are the 128GB models. And do you think Apple did that to justify them asking a $100 per storage tier? Yeah I’m sure they were really felling bad about that.

        • Sean Bello

          The 128 being sold out doesn’t necessarily mean it was more popular, there may have been significantly less currently manufactured.

          And no, they didn’t do it for the consumer, they did it because the monthly installment cost difference between each size is only around $3.50/mo, so a customer is more likely to do that than pay an extra $100 up front. Apple profits even more because the cost of producing the phone goes up by pennies, and then the customer has to pay for extra cloud storage to back their stuff up. It’s a double whammy.

  • Bryan Burch

    My shamu is still superior to this HTC built iPhone3 looking design.

  • SJ

    All of the products google released yesterday are overpriced by over 10%. Yes, Chromecast ultra should be $50 max. Google Home, $80-90. I mean this Pixel is a joke… $650 for a phone. I guess I’m just poor… or have better things to use that money on.

    • bweezy21

      hmm… google wifi is $299 for 3, eero is the same thing and it is $499 for 3. that’s totally over priced.

      • SJ

        Why on earth does any consumer need 3? I have a 3200sf house and i have ONE router and im perfectly fine with that… My house is old and has attenuation problems and STILL only 1 is worth it… Bridging is not going to be as fast as a single device.
        Google wifi is a solution to a commercial problem that is irrelevant considering I see what usually gets installed…

        • bweezy21

          i did not justify the number of products i simply proved you wrong about price.

          • SJ

            I disagree… taking the price of a single one, apple does a better job… at $30 cheaper… And that’s not even the best option.

          • bweezy21

            can you daisy chain multiple apple routers seamlessly like this? again you are comparing it to the wrong product. do some research on eero and come back. this is relatively cheap. not to mention pricing on everything else they announced also undercuts their direct competition (echo, iphone/galaxy, gear vr, etc…)

            everyone complaining about price is simply wrong. they are just being emotional.

  • jhjr24

    Google lost me with these phones. Yes they have great specs and they have pure Android, but they lack the features that make a Samsung or Apple worth buying. You are basically getting a phone that is the shell of a Samsung. RIP Nexus, no more Google phones for me.

    • Brian Himes

      The bulk of Samsung “features” are useless….

  • mike

    These phones are over priced for what they are. You get no bells and whistles. For the price of the phone it should come with all the bells and whistles. If you compare this phone with the note 7 its no comparison when it comes to features. The note 7 is 80 dollars more then the pixel XL 32 GB. it comes with SPEN, micro SD slot, waterproof, wireless charging and it has 64 GB of storage. And lets be honest samsung will always have the best screen and camera in the business So i doubt the pixel XL will have a better screen or camera. The only thing pixel and pixel XL have over the N7 is fast updates.

    Then compare the pixel/pixel XL to a phone like the oneplus 3. The OP3 is 400. So you would be AT lease spending 250 dollars more for a pixel phone. maybe 360 dollars for the pixel xl. what do you get on the pixel/pixel XL that the op3 doesnt have? Only thing I can think of is faster updates and a slightly faster CPU. (820 OP3/ 821 Pixel) In some cases the OP3 have better specs. more storage and more ram. I dont think its worth spending 250-360 more to get faster updates and a slightly faster CPU. Of course for some people it will be worth it but for most it wont.

    One more thing I want to say. A lot of people are saying how the pixel/ pixel XL is top of the line. premium everything. Thats why it has that price tag. I totally disagree with that. Look back at last year when they announced the nexus 6p. The nexus 6p started at 500. it came with all the top of the line specs of 2015. the current GPU/CPU and it came with the standard 3GB of ram. which was normal for 2015. 2k display bIg battery and a very very very good camera. It also had USB type c (rapid charging) and it came with front facing speakers! everything the pixel/pixel XL has this year the nexus 6P had last year.

    also, after seeing a commercial for the pixel phones they really screwed up the marketing. Saying its exclusive to verizon. Thats a horrible mistake. The average joe that sees that commercial would probably think to their selves ” wow, thats a really cool phone..but its a verizon exclusive and i’m on tmobile. So i guess I cant get it”. the commercial doesnt say anything about getting it at the google store. (the commercial I saw at lease didnt say anything about the google store)

    • Ichigo Uzumaki

      couldn’t have said it better myself. Yet you’re going to have many on here pushing for them just like this article. They priced these phones $150 too high and just for 32GB. Those who use the cloud don’t try to defend the fact that it only has 32GB because you’re getting free unlimited 4k video and full res pic storage on Drive on media taken and recorded with the Pixel, not everyone use cloud storage.

      • Brian Himes

        I get your point but the vast majority of the phone market can happily utilized 32g without any problems at all.

        • mike

          Most people could deal with 32 GB. I know I can but that doesnt change the fact that the N7 is 80 dollars more with 64 GB with a micro SD slot. Then the OP3 comes with 64GB at 400 dollars. Google could of EASILY put in 64GB instead of 32GB while charging the same price. All i’m saying is if google expects people to buy their phone at that premium price they should compete with other phones at that price point.

  • King_Android

    This author is justifying Google’s strategy just like an A-hole would piss in someone face and call it rain. Why werent the Nexus fine tuned like the Pixel phone? No reason this Pixel phone should be different than a Nexus. Google designed this phone’s exterior? Well why does it look like an HTC A9? Nothing about this phone tells me that it should come in at a higher price. They did it for one reason and one reason only and Ill have the balls to say it. They did it to produce a nostalgic feeling much like people feel when they purchase an apple product. This is nothing more than just a luxury tax. They want the phone to appear luxurious based on the price like people get with Apple and Samsung. The problem is most people look at Google as something “free” or cheap. So they will look at this phone and be like so why am I getting this over Samsung or Apple again. And sadly a salesperson only answer would be “Google Assistant”. Not enough to sway people away from Samsung or Apple. Apple and Sammy are both water resistant, are marketed to hell and back, and familiar. This is DOA besides the few elite Android fans who will grind their teeth but still purchase one. Oh and VZW sales which I am sure will market it much better than what Google could do but the draw back on that is VZW will surely let people know “You can only get the Pixels here”. Google this was a bad move. You dont have the clout yet on the hardware side to sale a phone at this price. Not yet. See how well your Pixel Chromebook and tablets have sold. This will be in the same boat.

    • Guest

      Word on the street is for the 2017/2018 Pixels
      Google is in the process of making a custom hardware chipset
      Their very own soc/chipset for their phones

    • Sean Bello

      I’ll tell you right now that people aren’t very happy with Samsung. The price, the lag, and the occasional overheating have really turned people off. They buy them because there’s nothing perceived as better right now.

      • King_Android

        I agree but they surely wont turn to a Google made phone as they look at Google as cheap POS. Much like how Huawei was perceived due to their low budget phones used with MVNOs. I hate Samsung but I can at least justify the price for their phones more than I can for the Pixels.

        • Sean Bello

          We won’t know that until we use it.

          • Brian Himes

            Pretty much this.

      • Turb0wned

        People arent happy with Samsung? GTFOH with that crap.

        • Me

          I am one of them after owning a s6.

      • trevorsalienarms

        I’m quite happy with Samsung, thanks. Replacement Note 7 ftw. Price wasn’t/isn’t a problem, lag fixed post green-battery icon software update, zero overheating. The recall/replacement was a minor hassle, but I’m not upset at Samsung over it.

        You’re right about one thing though, I absolutely do not believe there is anything better right now- because there isn’t.

        • illregal

          Go try something different.. Bet it’s better. HTC 10, OP3, Pixel, v20, iPhone7. Literally all better.

          • trevorsalienarms

            Except they literally aren’t.

  • TheDrunkenClam
  • Andrew Criswell

    Ask yourself this… If Pixel is such a great idea then why didn’t the phones sell out the first day? When in the history of the Nexus program did the new handsets not sell out on prerelease day? I worked in wireless for 10 years on up to middle management at three carriers and the problem is not just with the perceived value or lack thereof, it is also a problem with Google misunderstanding their customer base.

    Android users are NOT iOS users. People who crave iPhones will not look at Pixel and say “Oh woe, I love that Google did their take on the iPhone, gimme one.”. They are going to say “Google did a knockoff of the iPhone, what is so special about it?”. When the salesman cannot come up with a reasonable response over the phone or in person, these will be relegated to the back shelf to make more room for Galaxies and iPhones. I mean if I were an uneducated phone shopper and I see Pixel with Assistant, Note 7 with a S-Pen and a waterproof feature, and the old standby iPhone 7 with incremental improvements over what they probably own now, I know which one the customer won’t choose. The Nexus program was a niche and people liked it, by launching Pixel, Google alienates the Nexus crowd and will not win over any new Android users. Mark my words, the Pixel is another Microsoft Kin or HTC Rhapsody… a product without an interested audience.

  • Beauregard Stauffer

    Doesn’t seem like a bad phone, but I still have the Nexus 6 and it looks like I’m skipping the upgrade again. Smaller screens, no dual speakers, and no water resistance makes every year even harder to justify upgrading.

  • Chippah
    • Defenestratus

      It’s like ya gonna terminate those fukkahs hrmph *snort* good one chippah

      • Chippah

        FAWWWWK YEAH! Im gonna pixelate my peckah… DVVVDVVVDDDDVVVVD!

        • Defenestratus

          HOME RUN CHIPPAH

  • bassman418

    😂😂

  • Chippah

    Google needs to pull and apple and tell oems that its the captain now when it comes to updates, problem solved.

    • Brian Himes

      Many, including Samsung, would jump ship.

      • Chippah

        to what?

  • Defenestratus

    I don’t mind paying $800, $900 or even $1200 for a phone – that is WORTH that price. Google thinks that Assistant is worth that price – and it just isn’t. The Pixels don’t give me a valid use-case that compels me to value a phone that expensive.

    • maverick7526

      Exactly. There are still too many compromises,

      1. Smaller screen than the 6P. No thanks I like to use my phone for watching videos and Netflix, going smaller than 5.7″ isn’t an option.

      2. No stereo speakers. Seriously?! You could have fit one more speaker in that hideously large chin.

      3. Weird storage config. 32/128?!?! Wtf?! Ohhh I see now if your coming from 64, 32 is too small but hey look no middle option, now bend over and spend the cash on 128.

      4. Price. This was my smallest concern until I went to config one, and before shipping and tax I’m in for $800+ that’s more than the 6P for less features. Great…. Good job Google!

      These are going to flop tremendously. I think in about a month or two, they’ll be discounted. Shame if they had an actual XL phone (5.7-6″) range I’d be in. Ohh well maybe next year.

  • Derek Petersen

    I don’t mind the new business model, in concept, but I don’t think the “value” is there for this first edition of Pixel phones. That’s what frustrated me. In the long run though, I’m sure it will force Android OEMs to up their quality game, which is good.

  • Nick V

    I do not need to get over anything, when Google just used HTC’s design, and made almost not innovations, and then upped the price to something that reflects a Samsung Note 7. In a few months, when Google finds themselves struggling to sell these phones, we will see them discounted heavily, and those who chose not to get over it, can sit back and laugh, as vindication is brought upon us.

    There is nothing compelling about the Pixels, no matter how hard Google tries to pretend. There is nothing Made by Google either. They are using HTC Bodies, Qualcomm Chips, and probably Samsung screens. At what point has Google made anything?

    The 6p is an amazing device, inside and out, compared to the boring look of the Pixel. I went to pull the trigger yesterday, but when the price came back, I thought to myself, what am I getting for this money? Then it hit me… Nothing that my 6p doesn’t already have.

    • seattle tech

      Google doesn’t want you to have Google assistant on your 6p. They want to use it against all the android oems that helped android become what it is today. When has google ever in its history made its software exclusive?

      • Chippah

        They did/do when it comes to many new features which come to ios first..

        • seattle tech

          Such a good point. That should tell you how google feels about its supporters. F them make the app first for ios

    • Adil Tajgeer

      This. The madebygoogle campaign is 100%shady marketing. These are HTC devices through and through.

  • Orion

    Get over it? This was an epic fail. I don’t care how you spin this. You love the direction of Google….then good for you. But some of us don’t like to be forced fed BS. The prices are insane. Wasn’t getting this phone anyway but don’t get all high and mighty telling people to get over it.

    • Mike

      “The prices are insane”. Yea, paying $650 for a premium phone is crazy, let’s go buy that S7 for $700 instead!

      • Jason

        hell yea, pixel prices are so insane that i should over pay $200 for an S7!

      • Person Dude

        S7 has so many features the Pixel doesn’t have to justify the price: waterproofing, wireless charging, 2K screen, SD slot, OIS, manual camera controls, bigger battery, Samsung Pay… I could go on and on. The Pixel doesn’t offer enough for its price.

        • This is my main problem with the Pixel. You’re so short on features yet charging that much?

        • Erik O

          The ones I’m disappointed about = waterproofing, wireless charging, battery, sd slot… the rest have drawbacks (2K screen has a bigger battery drain, manual camera controls aren’t for me) or alternatives (EIS or Google Pay) enough that I can justify not including them. But with the 8mm+ thickness, how is there not wireless charging, an SD slot, or a bigger battery? To me, that’s -$100 right there.

      • Orion

        Did I ever say anything about Samsung? Yeah thought so.

        • Mike

          No but you complained about the price of a premium phone when it’s actually cheaper than other premium phones. What did you expect?

    • Erik O

      Must be some kool-aid… seems like every single site came away very positively from their time with the Pixel. Either that, or the phone really is that premium/fast/etc. to justify the price. I’ll play with one at a VZW store and make up my own mind, but I’ll need to be heavily convinced to spend $800+.

  • Chippah

    This will only do well on all carriers for under $400.

    • Me

      For the consumer

  • No_Ledge

    >Keep in mind that these Pixel phones finally represent a top-to-bottom vision of an Android phone from Google as well. While HTC may have pieced together these phones on the manufacturing side of things, these are 100% Google designs. That means each and every component is based on what Google, the controller of Android, thought would work the best with their own operating system. That should mean that it has been fine-tuned like no other Android phone to not only take advantage of the latest in Android, but to display that to you and I as well.

    >That’s not all that different from Nexus phones, I get that. But in a way, it’s taking the Nexus approach that you all love so much and then cranking it up another notch by leaving out additional players. This is Google saying, “We’re gonna do this our way 100% and we hope you like it.”

    Replace Google with Apple, Android with iOS, and Pixel with iPhone in the above paragraphs and this is everything Apple bashers have been arguing against for the past decade. Now all of a sudden it’s “THIS IS AWESOME!”

  • Jason

    if 6p owners need to wait awhile for the 7.1 update. what does this mean for all other android phones? are they getting the update when google releases android os version 9?

    • cdm283813

      You bring up a good point. It’s already terrible that Android OEM’s can’t keep up but now Google wants to make Android releases timed for Pixel phones? Talk about fragmentation!!!

      • Jason

        it seems like i’m going to jump back onto the iphone bandwagon until google straightens this out.

  • Asa Thomas

    It’s still my hunch that these #madebygoogle phones were originally intended to be Nexus devices, but got a last minute name change and marketing push to Pixel—partially because we know they were manufactured by HTC (like a Nexus), and also because it looks so much like a One A9. I’m hopeful next year’s Pixel Phones will take on the more Pixel oriented design language (signature aluminum color, straight edged design, lightbar, etc.).

  • Eric

    Google’s design team needs a lot of help.

    • Turb0wned

      To me, only the black one looks decent.

  • seattle tech

    Google can spin it all the way they want. Like they suddenly told the world monthly security updates are so important, Android is fragmented, The real reason was the end game. To sell phones with high profit. They always wanted that apple phone money.

    • Me

      Every OEM does

  • exvirgo

    Maybe you should state that as your opinion and not a command to your Android pleebs…

  • Rich Robinson

    Have Verizon UDP. Put through monthly payments for a Black 128GB Pixel. It’s $36 a month. However, Verizon showed a glitch that only had my Talk & Text cost appear. The $49.99 Web did not show up on my monthly payments but is listed in my details. I spoke with the chat window and she confirmed it. Have all the documentation, signed a Terms & Condition/Customer Agreement. Plan after checkout is confirmed the same. Monthly cost has dropped $12! Could it be another Vzn Unlimited Glitch?

  • compujas

    Note 7 ($850) over Pixel XL ($770)
    32GB more storage
    Bigger screen, smaller and lighter package
    OIS
    Iris scanner and heart rate
    Wireless charging
    S-Pen
    Dual Edge display

    All for $80 more. The 32GB of storage is worth just about that on it’s own. It’s not that people necessarily want the phone to be cheaper, but they at least want it to be priced appropriately for what it is. What do you get from the Pixel that is better than the Note 7? A battery that doesn’t explode….sure, and faster software updates? That’s really only worth so much to most people. Maybe it’s less about the Pixel being overpriced and the Note 7 being a great value compared to the rest of the market. The Nexus series never really did that wall largely because of a lack of carrier support and marketing. They weren’t typically sold in stores and they definitely weren’t actively marketed like Samsung and Apple products are.

    • LilSweetLin

      EXACTLY. Thank you.

    • JSo

      If that’s what you need then sure. A lot of Nexus users like root and being able to customize and modify stuff. Samsung has pretty much locked their devices down lately from what I have seen. But if you aren’t into that, then yeah, get the Note 7.

      • seattle tech

        Everyone of my samsung phones are rooted with unlocked bootloaders. The pixel price doesn’t justify it lacking features.

        • JSo

          New ones? Aren’t the new ones harder to root and aren’t perfect with bugs and wonky ways of doing it? I’m asking because I have never owned a Samsung device. I only know the Nexus way of rooting which is pretty straight forward.

          • seattle tech

            Certain versions are very easy to root and almost all roms are completely stable and extremely fast.

          • Erik O

            Are there AOSP roms for the Galaxy 7 devices yet? That’s what’s always stopped me :

          • seattle tech

            For some older models samsung phones yes. But I have always had /have aosp on some of my units. But in 2016 touchwiz/ grace ux custom roms are far superior now imo. Even on xda samsung boards that have samsungs recent phones prefer custom grace roms. You only see people that want aosp on samsung phones that don’t have them. Not like a little while ago where I would have wanted aosp

    • Chippah

      I would be 100% happy with a rooted note 7 over my current iphone 6s+ but looks like its going to be another note 4 type of situation.

    • Defenestratus

      Isn’t the Note 7 waterproof too?

    • Erik O

      In addition to waterproofing (like Defenestratus said) you also forgot the SD card slot.

      Only things I don’t like about the Galaxy series: touchwiz, hardware buttons, history of memory issues despite having a ton of RAM (at least with the GS6) , and no AOSP roms (that I know of—I haven’t looked in a WHILE).

      • compujas

        Yes, I did forget both of those, neither of which are trivial either like the iris scanner.

  • Xious

    My big question, Kellen, is when do you think you will receive review units? I am kind of disappointed in the battery size of the regular Pixel and want to see if it will last a day or if I need to go with the XL.

  • sh1fl2r

    The price is not an issue. The issue is carrier availability. Very few people are going to dish out the $650+ (mostly everyone reading this probably wants the Pixel XL so $769+). And at this point 2 year financing is a lifetime, most upgrade programs offer a new phone every year. And a lot of people now are locked into leasing/upgrade programs so unless we all pay hundreds of dollars to get out of those and then hundreds of dollars to buy the pixel a lot of us are out of luck.

    So Google really has a much smaller demographic now to sell to. At least in the US the only people that are going to buy the phone are Verizon customers or people not locked into upgrade programs, have a lot of cash, or are willing to deal with a 2 year lease agreement. So I think that is very limiting.

    Ultimately this phone will fail and Google will probably do what it always does which is pull the plug. It’s just said because it’s a super simple formula. Give us comparable hardware to the iPhone and make it available on all carriers. This would be a knock out for google, that simple. Android is already 100x better than iOS we just need the hardware to compete with it. Yes there is the S7 and some other great devices but it’s just not the same as the pure android experience and there’s a flaw with every phone out there.

    • Ismail Akram

      I think its a new start. yes initially it won’t sell millions but Rome 😉 was not built in a single day. I love HTC and I bought $700 phone of them, People love Apple they pay above $800 and same with Samsung. now Google is new player but thing is its Google and everyone know google. BTW yes if it was cheap I would have already ordered it. but now I need little bit more money to order mine. and I think this will set me apart in my friends 😉 when everyone carrying around Samsung and Apple phone and I would have google. I felt once same with HTC..

    • Me

      Still too early to say

  • Andrew Branch

    $700 to $800 is too much for an iPhone, a product that has been strong and steady for almost 10 years with blindly loyal followers. $700 to $800 is a lot for a Galaxy device, but the premium hardware/design and additional features comes closer to demanding that premium.

    With Pixel the specs are strong but the design is severely lacking when compared with the Nexus 6 and 6P (slim bezels, stereo front facing speakers) and stops short of the features included with the aforementioned premium devices (IP certification, wireless charging, screen/bezel ratio, dual cameras)

    If Google truly wants to lure in Galaxy and iPhone users it needs to do so with price and compelling design. If they cut the price $100 they might have a chance, but at the moment they haven’t done enough to win over even the most loyal of Nexus users. Perhaps the next iteration will include those additional features that warrant the premium price, at which point I will gladly pay out.

    • Ismail Akram

      you can say blindly but they have there own worth. actually more worth than any Android OEM. One thing quantity people don’t consider when commenting is what are they talking about. You just want brand go away.. Apple is brand and if I’m not wrong 1 brand. that’s what people pay for. everyone want cheap phone and who buy expensive phones are blind. after iPhone 7 launch I don’t see Samsung is better than iPhone.. beside I doubt in name of brand they not just charging extra they are delivering so much more you have no idea. there customer service is no like other. I’ve seen in my family when they go to Apple store with some fault in phone they come back with a new phone. these kind of things makes people happy. beside Apple phones are not slow at the moment over all I think they are fastest.

  • Greyhame

    Hear, hear! So on point. Everyone is panning Google based on their own wild assumptions. Nexus phones will be the second group of phones to receive 7.1. To speculate it will be months after the Pixels is just that… speculation. Just calm down and let’s see where Google takes us on this crazy train.

    • Buur

      It isn’t speculation. Pixel phones will launch with 7.1 and Nexus phones will get a developer preview before the end of the year which means a full release won’t come until next year. Hence months.

  • Turb0wned

    Or just wait 2 months and buy it used for $200 less.

    Seriously, i dont mind spending money on a phone but when the XL 128GB is the same price as the Note 7 and the iPhone 7 Plus……

  • gabe1989

    vote with your dollars and move on. if they don’t sell, your message will be heard.

  • JC

    Hardware aside, for me a stock OS experience that is as stripped down as Android is in this case is not worth that price. I love stock Android for what it is, and expect to pay a lower price for it.

    • SEJ326

      Exactly. When I went from a Note 4 to the (mostly stock) MXPE, I missed some of the features Samsung had in Touchwiz that Android was missing. Sure stock Android’s design may be better than Touchwiz or other OEM skins, but those skins often add extra features or functionality that aren’t included in stock Android (including something as basic as a Restart option).

    • Me

      What does the pixel not have that other OEMs do that doesn’t warrant it’s price?

      • JC

        OS themes, gestures, always-on display, one hand mode. I am completely okay with the way Nexus phones were priced, but to essentially add in the Assistant to a bare bones OS, then jack up the price…for me it doesn’t add up.

  • SugaShane

    I think this is a really good and necessary move for Google. It’s going to make Google phones a lot more recognizable and make them serious competitors. I can’t count the number of times I have taken out my Nexus 6 and someone asks, “Oh, what phone is that? Nexus? What’s a Nexus?”

    • JSo

      Exactly. I really hope this puts Google and their version of Android in the publics eye. No one ever knows about Nexus phones and Stock Android.

  • Suicide_Note

    It’s amazing to see so many people turn into whining crybabies because of a cellphone. C’mon, people…

    https://media3.giphy.com/media/z619OZp86JaBG/giphy.gif

    • Stabby McKnifington

      I”m always amazed when people come on an Android site and comment about people commenting.

      “STOP EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION ABOUT ANDROID ON AN ANDROID SITE!”

      • Miguel A.

        It’s so odd, isn’t it? Lord forbid anyone have an opinion – much less a negative one. This whole affair with the Nexus and the Pixel has exposed this camp for the hive mind it actually is. ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US.

        • Stabby McKnifington

          It’s literally the whole purpose of this site and inciting conversations is how DL makes their money. They are starting discussions intentionally.
          I just don’t get people coming to an “Intense Android Community” and getting pissed about people talking about it.

          • Miguel A.

            Especially since there’s definitely a conversation to be had about this phone and where it’s going. The recycled design, the choice to make updates fairly exclusive to it, the price tag, the lack of water resistance (which wouldn’t be a big deal but again, those prices), the headphone jack ON TOP….still. Yet no, we’re just begin told to “get over it”. Which is fine. but some intelligent conversation would be lovely.

          • seattle tech

            Well they need to make money and I’m sure they are more than happy to get debates started. It is not like they are making a killing on an android site/blog

        • Erik O

          I can’t tell if all of the sites are in on it, or if the phone is legit good. Youtube’s littered with hands-on videos with people generally gushing. I think Marques Brownlee’s is appropriately lukewarm though.

      • Suicide_Note

        I never said anyone should stop expressing their opinions, did i?

        • Stabby McKnifington

          You didn’t use those words specifically, no. Though others with a similar sentiment have.

          Calling people names for expressing their opinion is akin to telling them to stop. If you tell me you don’t like pizza and I say “you’re a whining cry baby.” that’s not exactly encouraging discourse.

    • Buur

      I advise you to stay off of websites in general if it bothers you. Any website dedicated topic is going to occasionally have instances where people are upset and lash out. You should probably learn to deal with it.

      • Suicide_Note

        Did i say it bothers me? *checks comment*
        Nope, i didn’t, because it doesn’t. So, you should probably develop some reading comprehension skills.

        I just find it hilarious to see so many people throwing a hissy fit over a phone.

        • Buur

          You don’t have to say it bothers it. You are showing it pretty explicitly.

    • Chippah

      MAKE ANDROID GREAT AGAIN!

  • @haggerty84

    Pixel sucks…NEXUS 4 Life!!! Plus where the hell is the 6 in screen….I need bigger and better to get over it!!!!

  • LilSweetLin

    No way are those prices justified for what you’re getting. Google is terrible at marketing, and that keynote was painful to watch. There was no mention, nor demo of the speaker set up or DAC to calm the fears of those of us used to dual front stereo speakers, no upgrade in battery capacity, a smaller screen, and still no OIS for the camera.

    Given all of that, we’re expected to pay anywhere from $649 to $869? And that’s not yet including tax, whether or not we decide to get device protection (which also includes tax) and any accessories (which also includes tax). That can come to as much as $1,000+.

    I’m sorry, but it seems Google hasn’t learned from their mistake with the Nexus 6. Granted, the Pixels are more premium devices in feel and performance, but to me, they haven’t achieved iPhone-level status to justify spending iPhone-level prices just yet. Google is obviously trying to be Apple with these Pixel phones. And just like Apple, they’re going to dole out features and hardware specs piecemeal, necessitating people to pay through the nose for devices, as well as soon-to-be proprietary accessories. It’s already starting.

    Now, if I won a Pixel XL, would I be foolish enough to turn it down? Hell no! But as an Android user, if I wanted an iPhone and all that it entails to be in Apple’s ecosystem, I’d just get an iPhone, not a wannabe iPhone running Android. I don’t see myself actually spending for a Pixel XL until there’s a VERY comfortable price drop. :/

  • EdLessard

    So if 7.1 is only coming to 6P and 5X as a dev preview sometime “this year”, does that mean it will eventually get a stable version? Will it get Android 8? They need to explain it better to the hoards of devout Nexus followers.

    • JSo

      They do need to explain better. But I think the best way to do it is give Nexus devices official 7.1 when the Pixels orders are shipped or delivered. Then from there, both the Pixel devices and the Nexus devices can enroll in the 7.1 preview. Or what I think it will be, a maintenance release preview thing that they were talking about earlier this year.

  • Chippah

    The Average joe schmo sees a few choices. iPhone,Galaxy or iPhone copy..
    For the same price the dollars will go to Samsung or Apple.

    • Ismail Akram

      At the moment yes who knows in coming years it also go to iPhone copy 😉 I didn’t buy Oneplus one or 2 but 3 got my attention its just a matter of time.

  • Bryan

    Preordered mine… I’m a little perturbed about my 6p being somewhat abandoned but I should be able to net at least 250-350 for it on ebay. If this is where Google is going, I’m on board.

  • jer85008

    I still can’t help feeling they didn’t go all in with the hardware. Perhaps is was Huawei backing out of the manufacturing, but the phones just seem so average. I’m sure the software experience will be stellar as usual, but what would I really be getting to justify swapping my paid-for N5x for a Pixel that will cost nearly $700? Maybe we really have leveled out for phone hardware and there just isn’t much to change anymore.

  • GatorDrew

    I, like many others, spoke out of frustration yesterday. One of the lingering issues other than price is that Google has built a reputation for themselves for not sticking with products and services. If something doesn’t perform up to their standards, they ax it. Now, after building quite an obviously devoted following, add the Nexus line to that list. I won’t pay iPhone prices, ever, for an Android phone simply because there are too many choices that keep prices affordable. If others do buy Pixel phones and the product succeeds, I hope Google offers more than two years worth of timely updates. I don’t see any reason why the Nexus and Pixel products could not coexist together, they aren’t exactly the same market of buyers.

    • Ralph Macchio

      Lighten up, Francis

  • Kregstrong

    I don’t get why so many people are angry lol. This is what I’ve been wanting since android came to Verizon on the Motorola. This is awesome. Water resistance? This has not been a big deal up until apple did it, now everyone says its a must lol. How often do you fools drop your phone in water? Lol. Bezels? Come on get real. I’ll take fast charging and a totally made Google phone

    • Chippah

      Until Samsung did it you mean..

      • Kregstrong

        No one complained about the 6p not being water resistant, just since the iPhone 7 came out, or if they did I sure didn’t read about it

        • LaFave07

          Because the 6P was out during the S6 which wasn’t water resistant. The S7 and iPhone 7 are. And going forward most likely always will be.

        • Jason

          wasn’t 6p cheaper than iphone/galaxy phones?

          • Kregstrong

            I’m just convinced that people are going to complain no matter what anyone does. Impossible to satisfy everyone. If people don’t like the pixel, buy a galaxy or iPhone and stop the moaning, I’m getting a pixel xl and can’t wait. Good article droidlife

          • Jason

            yea you’re right, keep your opinions to yourself and settle for a phone that you don’t like. #getoverit

          • Kregstrong

            Me? I’m gonna love the pixel, you can settle for whatever phone you would lik smartass, don’t recall saying you needed a pixel

          • Jason

            the pov wasn’t directed at you. i was summarizing what you said. you might want to re-read my reply, dumbass.

          • Jason

            the statement wasn’t directed at you. i was summarizing what you said. you might want to re-read what i said, smartass.

        • Buur

          Because the 6P came out at a time where it was kind of a novelty to see an IP67 or IP68 rated phone. When your main competitors now offer it and you don’t and you are asking for the same premium price it is kind of an issue.

  • Chippah

    Having a Nexus device now is like having a Google TV device.
    Google abandoned Google tv and then even had the balls to go back and neuter Youtube to disable casting.
    People are getting tired of being Googles Beta team..

  • Justinlstn

    Soooo..How much is google paying you guys again?!

  • Daeshaun

    oh no, my nexus 6p isn’t getting google assistant which does the same thing as gnow.
    oh no, i’m not getting 7.1 when the only major change is…. uhmmm…night light?? the swipe down gesture??

    I don’t own the 6p so that’s probably why i don’t see why people are upset. I’m going to buy the pixel and i’m going to sell it as soon as the drop android next year. Seriously recent nexus owners, your not missing anything. Don’t cry.

    • Cory Wilson

      Surprisingly we are getting the fingerprint gesture. It’s in the AOSP change log for 7.1

    • Jason

      so are you saying the 6p and pixel are pretty much the same phone? then why spend extra $$ and get the pixel?

      • Daeshaun

        Because i have the extra money. jk /s all that

        Because i want the dual partition system and i’d like to experience the lowered touch latency. That phone looks insanely fast in every video. And it’s the first of it’s name, i usually buy those. Yeah i said it, i want the status.

        • Jason

          well at least you’re honest.

  • trevorsalienarms

    If this is DL is pre-rationalizing a potential pick for phone of the year already, just lol.

  • Ian

    Telling your reader base to “get over it”. Smooth

    • El_Big_CHRIS

      Reminds me of the Southpark episode women are funny get over it

  • Stock fanboys all hurt lol. What’s all the crap you guys were talking about your Nexus devices? *Crickets

  • bmos18

    My reasoning for not being interested in this phone is honestly. Other than a few new things introduced this is basically last years nexus. Had they added dual back cameras which will be the norm sooner than later. Had they added water resistance like Samsung and Apple. And also we don’t know what kind of camera to expect from this phone. Stock Android hasn’t been always been the best out of the gate. Those things have me questioning the price.

  • calculatorwatch

    The needs of Android have changed and this change only reflects that. When the Nexus line came out, Android needed a cheap option to attract developers and give them a platform for the stock OS.

    Now, what Android needs more than anything is a beacon of quality to show what the OS is capable of. Apple has caught up with most of the useful Android features, and now the traditional strengths of iOS (camera, smoothness, reliability, power efficiency, and ease of operation) are actually putting it ahead in a lot of people’s minds. The goal of the Pixel line is to show that Android is just as capable of achieving that level of quality, while still having some extra features to set it apart.

    • JSo

      I agree. The Nexus line was basically Googles beta stage and the Pixel is the public release. Version 1.0. I’ll probably update when Pixel v2.0 is out.

    • Me

      Don’t get why people don’t understand this. If LG sold that 5X it would have at least been $550, and the 6P would have been $650+

  • Synacks

    “Google thinks these are phones that compare to the best in the business and should be priced as such. And if these phones are as good as Google thinks, they may be worth it.”
    I’m sorry Kellen but that is a straight ‘drinking the koolaid’ remark. It never matters what the selling company thinks of what a device is worth. The consumer base determines the rectification of the price via sales. That being said, your average consumer will put the iPhone / S7 / Note7 / Pixel side-by-side and determine what fits their needs the best. I guarantee you the feature list for all of those other devices will be longer, better, and make much more sense to most people than the Pixel. The Pixel is a Nexus device with manufacturer branding not present with Nexus-like features which should be at a Nexus-like price ~$400. Now if they actually had a half decent phone design with wireless charging and water resistance then we wouldn’t even be having this conversation right now. For a “free OS” they are certainly charging a $300 premium to have stock Android with 2 years of OS updates and 3 of security. I’d almost rather have an iPhone7. Patiently waiting for the next Galaxy.

    • Jason

      this x10000.

    • Cory Wilson

      Just waiting for a teardown to see if it’s really worth that much. Honestly hardware for hardware it’s overpriced even in comparison to regular flagships. And sure the regular flagships might cost the same but there’s a lot more bells and whistles attached. Some might call those extra hardware bells and features gimmicky and unnecessary, but they still drive up the cost and since the pixel doesn’t have the crap in it, can’t see what’s driving up the price. Also before someone mentions the iPhone I’m not referring to them. Ever since jobs took back over and brought the iMac out in the late 90’s Apple has been all about stylish overpriced products

  • jbworldwide1

    I’ve only owned the Nexus 5, so no sweat, but I’m going to wait for next year’s Pixel.

  • Woozie

    Very well said Kellen! I’m not butthurt over Nexus getting axed. I love the Nexus brand and the price, but I’m totally on board with Pixel. Can’t wait until the end of this month to get mine!

  • Joel Hardman

    Do we know if the nexus phones will be getting pixel launcher / android assistant with the next update?

    • Cory Wilson

      Nope they won’t

  • Tyler Burden

    First Rule of Nexus: iPhone, derp

  • Rodeojones000

    Completely disagree with everything here. I’ve loved Nexus like many of you, and I feel like I was just told, “too bad your less than a year old 6P is suddenly obsolete. Here’s an $800 phone you can buy instead.”

    I’ve been and Android user since the OG Droid. This is my last Android device. I nearly moved to the iPhone before getting the Moto Nexus 6. I’ll be getting the iPhone 7 soon.

    • Tyler Durden

      7+*

      • RiceCake

        I’m considering that phone. A thought occurred to me on what Android will be like with Google wanting to sell their own devices. Think Google will help Samsung make a successful s8? They will nerf future Android software for their now major competitors.

        Tizen s8 here we come.

    • Jeff

      Happened to me with my 2nd Gen X, but that’s Motorola/Lenovo.

      You can’t even buy a 6P from Google or with Fi service after yesterday’s announcement, as one would expect.

    • DanSan

      Worst part as a long time Nexus owner, I feel betrayed more than anything.

    • Cory Wilson

      In all fairness while I’m pretty frustrated about the pixel exclusive features, the phone isn’t obsolete. It’s still going to get Android updates until next fall and will continue getting security and bug fixes until fall 2018

      • Rodeojones000

        Fair enough. Perhaps obsolete wasn’t the right term to use.

        Regardless, this is kind of the final straw for me with my frustration with Android and Google. Fragmentation is terrible. In my house we have three Android devices, each one running a different version of Android despite all being less than 18 months old. Now essentially abandoning their flagship devices for a new one, and leaving us loyal users hanging? No thanks. And that premium price, but no water resistance or wireless charging? It’s like Google is orient purposely trying to screw this up.

        • ddevito

          Exactly, and given their track record, next year may be something else, so on and so forth.

    • Chippah

      Same here, However.. Iphone for my is unbearable if its non-jailbroken..
      But the 6S+ jailbroken is not bad and ios seems to get all the newest Google features on most apps
      before Android actually does.

    • $900 if you really want a usable one

    • Me

      You’ll be back by Pixel 3.

  • PC_Tool

    “Try to move beyond the price”

    …sound financial advice there. /s

  • Daniel Thomas

    Well said!

  • Ryan Gabbard

    No! lol. Nothing wrong with the Pixel line being announced or going that direction. The problem is that the Nexus line now feels like an ugly step child. Promised updates are being drawn out and major features are being held to sell product. I get it from a marketing perspective but it just rude to your loyal customers. Final 7.1 for Nexus line should be available this month and should include Assistant. That is supporting your customers not giving the a beta version missing major features.

    • JSo

      Why would the Nexus phones get 7.1 before the Pixel phones are even in people’s hands? Has that ever been the case when Nexus phones launched with new Android versions?

      • modernbummer

        Um, that happened with Marshmallow, actually. Factory images were released for the Nexus 6 before the 6P or 5X were in people’s hands.

        • JSo

          Well we also had a dev preview for Marshmallow before that. We could still get 7.1 around the time the Pixels are shipped or shortly after. It’s been one day. We need to give it some time.

      • Ryan Gabbard

        Pixel will be available October 20th. Nothing wrong with the Nexus getting the update by the end of October. But it wasn’t planned that way.

        • JSo

          No one is saying we won’t though. It’s been said we will get some form of 7.1 by the end of the year. That could be anywhere from now to December. I don’t know when the Pixels are planning to ship for people but I’m assuming people probably won’t even get them until the end of November at least. I’m sure we will get 7.1 whenever that happens.

          • Ryan Gabbard

            According to the news articles I have read you can walk into Verizon on October 20th and buy a Pixel. Google has said that the Nexus line will get a developers preview by the end of the year. So basically the Nexus line will see a final, albeit feature stripped, 7.1 in 2017. Doesn’t seem right IMO. Maybe things will change but I have no interest in the Pixel line as of now.

          • JSo

            From earlier this year, Google announced they will start doing Maintenance Releases in the FORM of a Dev Preview. I don’t know what that means. But if that’s what Google is saying we will get, A maintenance release seems like something that you get after the final release for maintenance. I’ve been saying to others that Google DOES need to explain it to us better. But I’m not going to get all upset about it until I know for sure what their plan is.

    • Cory Wilson

      I also feel us “nexus nerds” are the ones that will recommend the pixel phone to potential mainstream phone buyer’s so if they piss us off then we’ll stop recommending their products and that could be a big deal towards the success. This is why HTC is in the gutter nowadays. They were always focused on their next big thing and wrote their old phone off as a failure. They saw it as not enough sales to matter. However those loyal HTC fans are the same ones that didn’t recommend the one m7 when the Rezound didn’t get jellybean. You do that again and again and eventually there’s no one left to promote your products

  • Lucky Armpit

    I hear you Kellen… but I’m not angry at the death of the Nexus name. I’m GLAD that Google is finally trying to take control of things end-to-end after all these years. I don’t care if they call the phones the Horsefeathers and the Horsefeathers XL. My issue is the huge jack in price and missing key features that other similarly-priced phones include at that (or even less than) price point… Wireless charging, waterproofing, MicroSD card slots, etc., (those are just examples).

    And for that price I expected a phone that didn’t have a chin equal to Jay Leno and not have any real valid reason for said chin. If a physical button was there I could understand, but from what I can see it’s just 100% wasted space. It’s like they planned for something in that bottom chin and had to pull it at the last second but it was too late to redesign the bezels and screen size. Think dimple on the back of the Nexus 6.

    So I’m gonna grab a GS7E and see where Pixel is in two years, to give it time to mature. Not interested in this first round of Pixel… sorry Google.

  • BlackMaGiC1o0

    I think I’m more upset over the price rather then them killing the nexus line =(

  • I honestly can’t wait for the pre-order numbers, or first quarter sales. Though, if i recall, Google never really divulged that information in the past, did they?

    • Jeff

      They’ll reveal it if it’s monumentally better than expected. It would be Pixel-brand suicide if they revealed less-than-appealing sales figures.

  • Miguel A.

    Whatever whatever I just wish that they would have chosen another company like Sony, Xiaomi, Motorola ( even in its current tumultuous state) over HTC which seems to rot in the hand after a few months.

    • Daniel Thomas

      What about Foxxcon? Would that have been a better company for screwing all the components together?

      • Tyler Durden

        So far they’re doing just fine with Apple products

        • Daniel Thomas

          I agree 100%. My point is that any company can screw the components together that are given to them.

          • Tyler Durden

            And I’m not sure what he meant cause FoxConn is a supplier for most of his options https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/43a678cba53ddee1b2342af0637ed09ee016d43e6819e244e814648a0ee6e319.png

          • Tyler Durden

            Wait..now I’m confused lol

          • Miguel A.

            Nothing to do with Foxconn. I meant that I wish the design of the phone was by a better company. HTC basically frankenstein’ed the Desire and the IIDA Infobar A02. It’s just so paltry and bland. And they even stuck with that hideous antenna line after Apple moved theirs and Samsung has kept theirs out of the way.

  • jim

    Hell it’s only 25 to 30 bucks a month if you buy at full retail. But they are always offering trade ins which make it so much cheaper , I ended up paying 400 bucks for a 64 gig Note 5

  • MadJoe

    I don’t think there will be any need to get over it, someone will seize the chance to fill this niche, it’s only a matter of when.

  • Am79

    I guess we’re still using the “It’s cool, buuuuuut” phrase.

  • Chris Doerman

    Same old (Nexus) wine is a brand new (Pixel) bottle… which happens to be hundreds of dollars more because… iPhone?

    • Am79

      Marketing budget I’m sure.

      • RiceCake

        Yup. Those white square to rectangle commercials aren’t cheap!

      • Me

        Not to mention 24/7 tech support

  • jim

    So few Nexus phones we being sold that it just wasn’t worth the effort anymore

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  • cromo8

    Flat and Simple no. Dont have to get over it. The new phones are being pushed as a new era, non android OS. Now they are leaving us loyalists behind. Why should I keep following them.

  • Rand Phillips

    Well said, Kellex! Thanks for writing a reasonable and objective post about this matter.

  • Wes

    It isn’t the price alone, it’s the price combined with the “features” or lack there of and unimpressive design. I’ve always said if they made a Nexus with my wishlist features (5″, FF speakers, wireless charging, amoled), I would have bought it no matter the premium price. The problem is everyone has their own wishlist of features and you can’t satisfy everyone. I just see no reason to buy this over an S7, and I doubt the average consumer will either, which will leave them in the same boat they were in with the Nexus program.

    • Mike

      Fast updates, faster CPU, supposedly better camera, bands that work on all carriers, 24/7 support from within the phone, more internal storage options, USB type C, base model is actually cheaper, just to name a few items the Pixel has over the S7.

      • cromo8

        Damn youre such an apologist on this thread. The phone itself has no standout features. 24/7 support? Who the hell needs support with their phone that urgently? I dont think ive ever visited a store or contacted help for questions on my phone. Internal storage is whatever when you can do external(to be objective, I hate sd storage and prefer internal only). s7 is cheaper, battery and camera are very highly rated.

        • Mike

          The S7 starts at $670 unlocked and goes up to around $700 on AT&T and Sprint, for 32 GB of internal storage.

          The Pixel starts at $649 unlocked from Google, and is $649.99 on Verizon.

          I may not be very bright but I do believe 649 is lower than 670.

          And unlike most everyone else here I actually like the design of the phone and the direction Google is going and don’t mind paying a premium for it coming from a Nexus 5X and having used the S7 Edge.

          • DanSan

            For the water resistance alone, that more than justifies the extra $21..

          • Mike

            As clumsy as my wife is, dropping her phone probably hundreds of times in the last eight or so years, not once has it been into water. I am more worried about cracking than I am water. But to each their own.

      • Tyler Durden

        Faster CPU…not by much
        Supposedly better camera…if the S7 beats the IPhone 7, then the Pixel won’t beat the S7
        Type c isn’t an advantage

        • Mike

          Still faster, and I will be very interested to see camera results when they are released so that part is of course debatable for the time being.

          Type C is an advantage if you are looking towards the future, obviously that can be hard for the end users but I do still see it as an advantage.

      • Ben Notaro

        The average person doesn’t care about fast updates. I work for Verizon and most people don’t even like doing the updates half the time. In terms of bands that work on all carriers this is true. Usb type c isn’t a huge deal especially for the average consumer who still has all their old Android cords and are probably happy they don’t need to buy new cords yet. S7 has water proofing and wireless charging ND a well established camera and also expandable storage. I’m a nexus fan boy but if I were an average consumer and not a phone nerd I’d be all over samsung or apple over this. I however have a 6p and love it and for the simple fact the new phones are virtually the same as the 6p in terms of specs minus a faster processor I’m not gonna bite on these new phones. However I do think Google will learn from their mistakes and right a lot of these wrongs on the second generation of pixel. But as for the price. Get used to it.

  • TBBT+HIMYM

    Nexus was Google + something (like LG, Asus etc). And the something sold Nexuses in soviet Russia. Now it is not. Google does not sell anything in Russia. No more google’s phone for me. 🙁

  • Jeff

    I guess I have been over it, considering my last Nexus was the 5, and since then I’ve gone from the Moto X (2013) to Moto X (2014) to the OnePlus 3. Based on the size of the screen/phone I would like to get a Pixel, but not for that price.

  • LoadGamePL

    Yeah, I was promised 18 months of updates. Instead I will get castrated Android with delays just after 1 year 5x was released. My Nexus 4 was supported from 4.2 to 5.1.1. In 5x, I’m getting screwed over on Android 7.1, while my phone launched with 6.0. I got one big, complete update. Yay. I’m so glad I bought Nexus again. For f***s sake now I have a 2gb phone which the biggest advantage, fast updates, was completely destroyed because Google said so. I’m just glad I haven’t bought 6p. Smaller amount of money was wasted. I’m sure when Google introduces “Chrome phones” or something Pixel will get screwed over just like Nexus.

  • DanSan

    I will be purchasing a Nexus 6P once the price drops to replace my Nexus 6. After that, I will no longer be purchasing any future Google/Pixel phones. For what they are offering, and how they are treating nexus owners, I just cannot be apart of that. I would have accepted a price change but what you brought to the table for $650+ does not justify it.

    I really hope Google learns from this, you severely pissed off your most loyal customers. The same customers who brought the Nexus/Pixel name to where it is today. After the Nexus 6P that will be my last Google phone.

    • Mike

      To tell you the truth, I doubt they care. These phones are for the masses, not for the apparently, rather cheap, folks who bought into the Nexus line.

      These phones are to go toe to toe with Samsung and Apple, not for tinkerers who are looking for cheap stock Android phones.

      • DanSan

        I agree with you, they don’t and wont care.

        I don’t mind at all paying more, I cringe when I remember what I paid for my Nexus 6. The problem is if you jack up the price, you need to offer more than what the Pixel and Pixel XL have. These phones don’t go toe to toe at all with Samsung or Apple. Yea, it looks like an iPhone clone but I’d buy a Galaxy S7 over this any day for almost the same price.

        We loved Nexus phones because they were solid devices, never expected top of the line specs, had a very attractive price and came with great updates. They were free from carrier exclusive and their bullsh$t tactics. IMO Google threw that all out the window so they could try and compete with Samsung and Apple….. good luck. With a vendor like HTC to help you do that, hahahhahahahahahahahaha.

        Ask LG and Moto how trying to complete with the big two is going for them.

        Also the “masses” never bought Nexus phones. They won’t buy Pixel phones either. Your masses will continue to buy Samsung or Apple. I rarely saw Nexus phones in the wild even when they were stupid cheap. You think raising the price and changing the name will make more people want to buy it? If so, I have a bridge I can sell you.

  • jamaall

    So Google finally produces their own phone, has top of the line specs – they advertise and try to market it against all other competitors (that’s expensive, guys) just like everyone on this site (and other Android sites) has wanted for years. And now all of these people are going to complain because they’re too expensive? Wake up people, Google is a business and they have made their move. They can’t just give away their phones anymore. The Nexus, to me, was like a beta program for the Pixel. Nexus users were like beta testers, but now Google is ready. We have the Pixel now, the final product, thanks to all of the supporters of the Nexus line. Quit complaining and accept it, this is what we’ve been waiting for for all of these years.

    • Sonny Chanhvongsak

      I agree with this. I’ll admit the price is hard to swallow since we have gotten accustomed to low price nexus phones. People are complaining about the price but it’s not any more expensive than any other mainstream phone like S7,HTC 10, LG G5, etc. Sure you can get phones like the OP3, Axon 7, etc but google is marketing towards the mainstream which these phones arent geared towards

      • jamaall

        Exactly. And Google is providing everything the other companies are providing and more. You’re not going to get instant software updates and instant support from an inexpensive phone, and the Pixel appears to be even better than any other Android brand when it comes to this. If they hold true, the support for the Pixel phone will be even better than an iPhone, and that demands a similar price.

    • Andrew Branch

      This is what I wanted, without question. Google should mimic Apple’s model entirely and take control back of their OS and hardware, setting the standard of all manufacturers.

      But they haven’t set the standard, they’ve taken a huge step backwards in terms of design when compared to the Nexus 6 and 6P and severely lack the additional features of the Galaxy and even iPhones now have. If you are going to charge the same as Apple and Samsung expect to be compared with them toe to toe. The sad fact is that terms of design, hardware, and features; Apple and Samsung win.

  • Taios

    I dont understand why people suddenly think only Samsung can charge premium prices..

    • Ralph Goduco

      Uhh proven build quality, camera and screen tech, waterproofing, sd card slot, fast wireless charging…

  • Phil

    not sure i really trust HTC

    • Why not?

      • Phil

        they’ve been a complete flop the past few years. My nexus 9 SUCKS! and co-workers that have the htc one 9 and 10 complain about them. Only thing nice they have to say is the audio and the camera

        • Flop in sales.

          However, quality wise, the One M7, M8, M9 and 10 are top of the notch. I never had issues with construction. Some decisions were questionable (camera in M9, same design with M9, some bezels) but quality wise, they never failed on me. They took hits and falls with no major dents or screen cracks.

          I had a Nexus 9, didn’t have quality issues either. Yeah, screen was subpar, buttons were a bit crap (which was later corrected), but overall it was sturdy.

          I get the feeling people hate on HTC just to hate on them.

          • Daniel Thomas

            I agree. HTC has had a flop in sales and marketing for years, however they can make quality hardware.

            And it’s not like HTC is making the components in the phone, Qualcomm makes the processor, the screen comes from OmniVision, Sony, or Samsung (HTC sources from all three), and Toshiba or Omnivision supply the image sensor. HTC is putting it together for Google.

          • seattle tech

            Many of the people that hate on htc are ex htc fans.

  • Tyler Spurgeon

    Mmmmmm, Kool-Aid.

  • JSo

    Don’t worry Kellex. I’ll be on your side. If I still had the Nexus 5 and was looking for an upgrade, the Pixel would be what I would want. Like you said, it is everything that I have always loved from Google. Google’s Android, a nice design (IMO), a lot of the same stuff you got with Nexus phones. But I have only had my Nexus 5X for a short time and it’s not time for me to update.

    As far as Googles business plan. I get it. They don’t want to come out with a brand new line of phones and present them to the public as “cheap android phones”. And I don’t think this is a cheap Android phone. The design is premium (metal and glass) and Google’s version of Android has always been the best (again, IMO). And it does have some high end specs inside. Maybe not EVERYTHING people want but definitely the stuff that matters.

    You hit on a lot of points I agree with and I’m glad someone with a “bigger voice” said it.

  • DanWazz

    It’s not the Pixel phones themselves that I am disappointed in, its the fact that Google just told Nexus users to take a hike. Their own statements tell us to think of Pixel as the next generation of Nexus. However, because they changed the name, we won’t get the “exclusive features” and the fast updates they promised when we bought the phones.

    • Brian Himes

      There was nothing said about removing fast updates. They are also taking a page out of apples book with regards to withholding features.

      • LoadGamePL

        Oh we still have fast updates, It’s not like 7.1 will be on Nexus devices months after Pixel, suuuper fast updates!

        • JSo

          7.1 will probably come to the Nexus devices when the Pixel phones are shipped and received. Not months after. But we will see.

          • LoadGamePL

            That would make sense, but Android Police leaks shows otherwise.

          • JSo

            I don’t think I saw those leaks.

          • LoadGamePL

            http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10/04/android-7-1-coming-current-nexus-devices-pixel-c-will-land-end-2016-dev-preview/

            Developer Preview in December. DEVELOPER PREVIEW. Final 7.1 in 2017, probably in spring. Suuuper fast updates.

          • JSo

            All that says is that we will get a Dev Preview by the end of the year. Doesn’t mean we won’t get a final release sometime around then as well. It didn’t even mention a final release. I would think we would get 7.1 and then be able to enroll in the preview from there. That makes more sense to me. And from what I remember, it wasn’t a dev preview like the previous dev previews. It was a maintenance release preview which was somewhat different. They are doing a bunch of different things.

            http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/08/22/google-moving-android-regular-maintenance-release-schedule-will-continue-using-developer-previews/

          • Adil Tajgeer

            You don’t launch the final build and THEN launch a dev preview. This will 100% be a beta build with the final dropping months later.

          • JSo

            But will it be a dev preview or Maintenance preview. Google is doing two different things now. The link I posted was from earlier this year where they talked about starting a maintenance preview. Which in my opinion, is something you start after getting a final version for “maintenance.” Google does need to clear this up though.

          • Adil Tajgeer

            If they were going to release an official 7.1 build, they would have clearly stated it. Being that they ONLY talk about a dev preview there is virtually no chance of a final 7.1 build being released this year.

            And even when it is out, the assistant won’t be part of it, which there is no reason the Nexus 6p/5x hardware can’t support. So not only is the fast update promise broken, the feature set is being deprecated for no reason other than to push the new devices.

          • JSo

            Google is never clear and up front with their plans until they actually lay everything out and post it. They just replied to a question from a tech site with a vague response because I’m sure they are not ready to share their whole plan yet. And who knows who exactly from Google responded to them. I’ll wait for the release schedule to be posted.

          • Adil Tajgeer

            I mean I want 7.1 on my 6p too, but if they were going to Launch it anytime soon they would have said so, even in a vague timeframe like by the end of the year. Being that they specifically said a dev preview will be out in that window more than likely means that there is no plan for an official 7.1 build for anything other than the pixels this year.

            Again, it would nice to be wrong, but I’m fairly certain I’m not.

            Also the generally extra crappy 7.0 launch doesn’t give me much hope at all nor fill me with any confidence in Google getting 7.1 out anytime soon

          • Adil Tajgeer

            The 7.1 beta preview will be out “by the end of the year” with the official build dropping “sometime in 2017”

            Fast updates my arse.

      • DanWazz

        7.1 will be released on 20th with the Pixel phones, Nexus will be getting a preview near the end of the Q4 as a developer preview. A possible 2 month wait for a PREVIEW. That’s not what I signed up for when I purchased a phone tagged as “the latest and greatest directly from Google.”

        ‘Taking a page” from Apple’s playbook doesn’t make it right. Just cause other people do it, doesn’t mean I have to accept that treatment. Once again, not being left out in the cold on new software features is another reason I purchased many Nexi (Nexuses…whatever).

        What it boils down to is trust, for lack of a better term. I trusted that Google would live up to their word as far as the Nexus line was concerned. They lived up to it for the past 4 1/2 years (personally), and yesterday, they decided to break that trust. I’ll never be 100% sure that my phone will get any sort of non-preview software update past my last one. I’ll never 100% know if these Pixel phones will see software updates past their 1 year mark. That is my problem with what they did. Luckily it’s an easy fix. Provide me what you told me you would and have provided in the past, and I will consider your new Pixel line next time I get a new device. Until then, #madebygoogle holds no weight in my mind.

  • Marcus

    For me he misses the point for years the prior year nexus received all the same features shortly after the release of the be phone now they b aren’t it shows a lack of respect for those other loyal customers.

    • Me

      These aren’t nexuses

  • Daniel J. Peters

    Too many monies. No SD card support. No real improvement in my life between this and my $400 MXPE. Also, no real reason to read droid life for at least several months, when perhaps some other manufacturer fills the gaping hole that google left in the market by killing off the Nexus line.

    One last question: Exactly how well did the insanely high priced Pixel laptop/chromebooks sell? Yeah, I thought so.

    • Brian Himes

      Well the problem with the Pixel chromebook is that Chrome is crap above the budget market.

    • Jonathan Berry

      “when perhaps some other manufacturer fills the gaping hole that google left in the market by killing off the Nexus line”

      Except there won’t be anything quite like Nexus. There are already plenty of budget phones out there. But either they won’t get updates (or the ones that do come will be slow) or they have a horrible skin or both.

    • Miguel A.

      It’s a really, really rough transition to make. With companies like Samsung, Sony, and even Apple, their “brand tax” is visible. Nothing about this phone (aside from maybe the camera) shouts its price. It’s rather uninspired, really. And those really expensive Chromebooks are lovely but only the few mega-Nexus nerds (ones with money to burn, at that) I know bought one. At those prices for a glorified tablet / web browser? No, thank you.

  • ddevito

    I sold my Nexus 6 in preparation for yesterday’s event, and I am whoafully disappointed. The leaks were spot on, which was what I afraid would happen. People have pointed out that some Nexus phones were full retail (ballpark) which was true, the Nexus One, Nexus 6 and Nexus 6P were all retail priced handsets, yet only the Nexus One and the 6P stood the test of time and didn’t have any huge corners cut. But even then they were still a lot cheaper than the Pixels.

    But what those same people have missed is that those phones, all of them, were backed and loved and purchased by their hardcore loyal fanbase – I would know, I was one of them. But yesterday turned most of us away, which is fine considering none of them sold well. But targeting iPhone and Premium Samsung customers aren’t going to make them sell well on their own either. Google may not have cut corners in hardware but they made many mistakes here, namely:

    -Making the Google Assistant an exclusive app for Pixel phones, leaving even Nexus phones in the dust. They cannibalized themselves and thus pissed off a lot of Nexus owners, their only loyal fans.

    -Pushing off Android 7.1 for existing Nexus phones to a BETA release by the end of the year. WTF?! Wow, that was awful. Android’s biggest issue is fragmentation and all Google did was add fuel to their own fire.

    -They took a rebranded HTC10 with updated components and called it theirs. #MadeByGoogle is an utter lie and disingenuous
    If you’re going to sell the phone for that much then supporting it for only 2 OS updates and 3 years of security updates is not nearly enough.

    -Copying the iPhone is everything – design, price, etc – was, in which I agree with Paul, safe. And closes off the exits and ensures a two horse race. So the open platform they’ve promised is officially dead, and thus creating a 2nd walled garden. Thanks Google

    -The storage upsell from 32GB to 128GB. There was no reason the 128GB should exist, especially at that price. The 64GB option should have been there, many users have 64GB so no way would they want to downgrade, so they decided to upsell everyone to 128GB and thus adding an extra cost of $129 – that’s an Apple like move. Not cool, and it pissed off many of us. I priced a 128GB Black XL which landed at ~$960 – wow – are you kidding me Google? Screw you.

    -They left out premium handset features – OIS, water resistance, wireless charging. At $500-$600 that’s acceptable, but not at that price.

    • john

      Only offering 32GB & 128GB is such an Apple move. They talk up their cloud so much, how do they justify an 128GB model?

    • MattBoan

      …You’ve pretty much summed up all of my thoughts since watching the live event yesterday then reading what would be coming in 7.1 to Nexus devices and what would remain “exclusive” software to the Pixel line.

    • King_Android

      Bro my thoughts exactly. Its gonna be fun seeing these Pixel phones drop by Christmas time. And see how Google retract everything they announced yesterday about Pixel exclusivity and Google Assistant. Aint nobody gonna be purchasing these phones, not in the states or abroad. Google screwed itself by hurting their number one salesforce, the current die hard Nexus users. I know for a fact I have converted over 100 people from Apple/Samsung to Pure Android easily.

  • ddevito

    More like RIP, Android.

    • Mike

      Yep, Google dropping the Nexus line is the death of Android. I have officially seen it all since the presentation yesterday, thanks Internet.

      • ddevito

        no, dropping the Nexus line didn’t kill it. Screwing up yet another phone launch did.

        • Brian Himes

          They screwed it up?

          • ddevito

            Well, when you launch a product and no one buys it – yes, it’s a failure. It will be an epic failure yet again, only this time their loyal fanbase won’t even buy it, it may be even worse than the others

          • Mike

            So a phone that hasn’t even been released yet is a failure because no one bought it? Interesting.

          • ddevito

            Message me on Jan 1 2017 and we’ll see how it went – leave a reminder on your phone. Do it.

          • Mike

            Done. See you on New Years!

          • ddevito

            Cheers

          • Suicide_Note

            It’s funny you say that, when all the 128 GB variants that people cry are too expensive, are out of stock.

          • ddevito

            “Sold out” – do you know how many they had in stock?

          • Suicide_Note

            That i don’t know, but it’s funny that the most expensive model was the first to sell out, considering how many people were crying about the phone being too expensive, and no one would buy it.

          • ddevito

            Yeah okay but until we know how many there were I say you have nothing to say about it

          • Suicide_Note

            I’m just pointing out that it sold out first despite the controversy. Whether there were 5,000,000 orders taken, 50,000, or 500, we’ll never know. 😉

  • Hear, hear!

  • SunnySD92101

    The bottom line is I won’t buy a high-priced IPHONE knockoff like the Pixel. BTW, I saw the tv advertisement last night, and it said it was only available on Verizon? WTF?

    • Mike

      It’s only available directly from Verizon as a carrier, you can buy it from a number of other places including Best Buy in the states.

    • Thats not true, check store.google.com

    • you probably saw the verizon commercial advertising such meaning you can’t buy it from any other “carrier”. sold at several different locations and works on all networks.

  • Christopher Allega

    Google doesn’t control anything. They make Verizon the exclusive US carrier but the device will be just like the Galaxy Nexus. Google will never be Apple in just having them sell the phone. Why buy a Pixel on Verizon it should of just been branded the Pixel Droid.

  • enigmaco

    Hmm could mean my nexus 6P could be a collectors item someday.

    • I have a Nexus One layin’ around, now that’s history.

  • Ralph Goduco

    Insane price tag, no stand out features in terms of software or hardware, only 2 years of os updates lol

  • I don’t care about the branding- the phone is just a massive disappointment even taking the price out of consideration.

    They keep downgrading the screen size and dropping features. We’ve seen nexus phones lose wireless charging, go from 5.99″ to now 5.5″ since the Nexus 6, and now lose stereo speakers, what the hell google?

    • lonepalm

      Lowering the screen size is not a degradation. Not in my opinion at least. I prefer a smaller phone. If I wanted a bigger screen, I would buy/use a tablet. I prefer phones that fit in my pocket, not ones that stick out of my pocket because they are too big. I have a Nexus 6 and I hated it since day 1. It was my only option at the time (only thing I could afford) in order to get on Project Fi (I bought it a year ago). I’m thrilled they came out with a 5″ phone. In fact, I would prefer the next version to be 4.5 – 4.7.

      Wireless charging is cool and handy, but in no way something I would hate not having. Stereo speakers are something that sucks to lose, but I often listen in my car, at home on my BT soundbar, etc. I didn’t often need the stereo speakers on my phone anyway.

      I realize others have other viewpoints, but I think some decisions had to be made and some of the things they changed are some of the things I would say are lower priority. You are getting 4GB ram, better processor, decent battery, and from the looks of the demo, a very smooth experience. I call it a win, though my bank account doesn’t.

      • I get that not everyone likes big phones as much as I do, but since they have the smaller one they should make a bigger distinction between the 2 sizes.
        A 4.7-5.1 or so is around what most people like in a small phone from what I understand, but why drop down from 5.7 to 5.5? I’ve never heard of anyone said “oh man, I like a 5.5″ phone, but 5.7″ is way too big.”

        I agree that wireless charging is a nice to have, but the screen size and speakers are a dealbreaker for me personally.

        • lonepalm

          I get that and I can appreciate that you have different things that you would consider deal breakers. At some point, Google just needed to settle on things. I’m no expert, not by a long shot, but perhaps a 5.5″ screen allowed them to get just that bit more battery life than a 5.7″ would, which in tests, would beat their competitors. I don’t know the reasons, but they can’t please everyone. Sucks that you are not satisfied with the phone due to the features and such they decided were not necessary. For me, personally, I am pleased to see a smaller sized phone that seems to have some decent specs. I’m not a hardware guy, so I don’t know the difference between these mobile processors and such. All I know is that I have more RAM and nicer stuff and most importantly for me, a smaller screen. Hopefully the next iteration will have an even smaller one for me, and an even larger one for you!

          • that sounds good! I know that for fans of smaller phones you’ve really needed a device without gimped specs and just a smaller screen. Glad that you finally got it.

          • lonepalm

            I was very very tempted over the last couple years to go with some of the smaller ones Moto was releasing, but not having that Nexus name on it was a deal breaker for me. I know, lame right? Google has me, and they know it. But, other than not being Nexus, the smaller Moto phones were seemingly pretty decent. I settled on the N6 and while it is a fantastic phone, I hate it, only because of the ridiculous (to me) size.

  • Stabby McKnifington

    “Oh and that 6P that you could literally buy yesterday…yeah it won’t get these features. For….reasons”

    • Tyler Durden

      But iPhone 5’s get iOS 10
      I find it funny that the Nexus 6 just got the 7 OTA also

      • Jeremy Wray

        there was supposedly a bug that destroyed battery life that they had to fix. though i dont get why it too so long to fix when I was running the beta without an issue for months.

        • Tyler Durden

          Nexus software should be universal for the most part. I don’t see why one had a bug and the other didn’t. Besides, it shouldn’t take that long to fix it and push the update.

          • Tyler Burden

            Especially if you have an iPhone. Google should just sell to Apple. Then iPhones for everyone, derp

          • Lucky Armpit

            Is “derp” the word of the day? it’s cool if it is; just making sure I’m in on the action.

          • Jason

            you forgot to end it with derp.

          • Lucky Armpit

            Ah crap. Thanks. Derp.

        • Justin Bontrager

          My battery is awful after the official release

      • Tyler Burden

        It’s funny that iPhone 5 gets IOS 10 which is the same as every other release from Apple but has a different rev #. It’s crazy that a device can be updated to the same OS like the iPhones, derp

      • Me

        iOS 10 in name, as was 9 on my 4s.

    • They didn’t even discount em :/

      • Stabby McKnifington

        It’s a sad day for sure.

        I’m all for innovation. Sometimes change is hard. I just feel like Googles attitude towards what is arguably their most loyal fan base was a bit of a “FA-Q.”

        Release days and October were always great as a Nexus owner. Hearing the “And it’s pushing out to your device right now.” was always a bit of “yeah, that’s why I put up with this great but always slightly flawed device”
        For them to come out and announce a new device is great. To basically not give all possible features to at least the last generation of nexus devices (That again, they were selling yesterday) is kind of poor form. At least phase them out.

    • Joshua Wise

      Nexus and Pixel aren’t the same thing. That’s why it won’t get the features – and it isn’t about Google pleasing loyal Nexus fans, or about hardware capability. It’s about marketing and attempting to reach a new audience.

      • Tyler Durden

        And they’re doing a poor job at it
        But it’s Google
        They don’t know a thing about marketing.
        People don’t know what a Chromebook is, they don’t know what a Nexus is.
        They’d rather spend money on acquisitions then sell them later

        • Joshua Wise

          The phone was announced yesterday – “they’re doing a poor job at it.” Yes, because they have had the time to market the device and attempt to push a Google branded phone.

          I agree with your comment about people being unaware of Nexus, I agree, I hope Pixel changes things.. but your comment about “Chromebooks” is misinformed: http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

          • Tyler Durden

            People come in everyday and don’t know what a Chromebook is or what it does. Best Buy being the largest “window shopping/testing place” and people still not knowing is crazy. They have the people pushing their products paid well ($20/hr) but anything else is unpredictable. I don’t see ads at all for Google products. Maybe they’re on cable that I don’t watch.

          • Joshua Wise

            Largely Chromebooks are in schools, people are aware, just not those looking to buy a new device that haven’t recently been in school. Hopefully this push for Pixel reaches other departments, Google needs to figure out its marketing campaign and focus on getting the attention of everyone – not just a certain group, like students or enthusiasts.

          • Tyler Durden

            Also is that article saying that’s individual buying or schools purchasing Chromebook’s?
            That would be a big difference. Who would have thought a $200 pc would outsell a $1000 one?

            I own a Mac + PC + Chromebook so that’s possible for higher sales also.

      • Stabby McKnifington

        No, they are not the same thing. But you don’t sell X item, kill it the same day you release Y item and not expect people to say “WTF” and ask why Y item gets things that X item could have easily supported.

      • James

        Yes, because it’s great marketing to piss off your most loyal fan base, who are most likely to evangelize people into buying into the Google ecosystem.

        By pushing these features to Nexus devices -which are completely capable of running them well and are a small subset of hardcore users – how exactly are you harming Pixel sales?

        • Joshua Wise

          You can still pick up the 5X and 6P – not from the Google Store, but elsewhere. If people saw the new features offered on the Pixel and thought “Wish there was a cheaper device,” they would have it with a 6P or 5X. Google needs people to buy in to the Pixel brand – this is why it gets features we don’t.

          • That’s cool and all, and I don’t have a problem with the Pixel campaign, but not if it means the Nexus brand takes a hard backseat in terms of timely OS updates and easily implemented features. I get not wanting to give people a reason not buy a Pixel, but they don’t even sell any Nexus devices in the Google Store any more. So it doesn’t make much sense to me.

          • paulmike3

            My 6P is still on the August 5, 2016 Security Update, so as far as I’m concerned, the Nexus line has already taken a hard back seat in terms of OS updates.

      • MattBoan

        They were the same thing until about 2/3rds of the way through this phone development cycle when Google decided they wanted to relaunch their phone offerings under a different name…

  • Mark555055

    nope, this is an epic failure. Moving to another android oem now.

    • Mike

      Good bye, enjoy waiting on updates, don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

      • James

        As opposed to current Nexus owners, who bought devices in large part because of the promis of timely updates, and now won’t get stable 7.1 until 2017? smh

        • Mike

          Did Google come out and say that? I don’t remember seeing that as part of their presentation yesterday.

          • James

            “Google has informed us that before the end of the calendar quarter (aka before 2017), Nexus devices and the Pixel C will receive a developer preview for Android 7.1 Nougat.”

            http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10/04/android-7-1-coming-current-nexus-devices-pixel-c-will-land-end-2016-dev-preview/

          • SunnySD92101

            Some might say that they don’t have to say anything when Google (Pixel) is in bed with Verizon. We all know Verizon wants to lock down all their phones to control the content in order to maximize profit. So I’d agree with @james ‘s assertion that Google will hold back on releasing updates on their older phones to get people to upgrade sooner. I’ll be watching and waiting.

      • Mark555055

        i’ll be waiting on updates now with my nexus 6p…. that is why i’m out. I don’t give an f about monthly security updates, and neither does the rest of the general public. i want google assistant, the launcher, etc and they failed to deliver the latest from google to my less than one year old top of the line google/nexus phone.

      • PC_Tool

        “enjoy waiting on updates”

        Yeah. Thank goodness for my Nexus 6, so I don’t have to…wait. /s

    • Ralph Goduco

      On to the S7 edge for me

      • Tyler Durden

        Amazing device!
        Just don’t install Oculus until they fix the battery drain issue

        • Mike

          Or use the Good Lock app which was causing battery issues and the flashlight to stay on permanently until a reboot.

        • Ralph Goduco

          Got it, thanks man!

  • Alex

    Completely agree!
    I’ve wanted Google to take more control for a while now. I don’t see the doomsday side of it though. I think AOSP will continue to be developed and polished. Other OEMs are going to have the same access as they’ve had before.

    Then there will be Pixelclusives. Another thing I’m a big fan of. There’s a lot of “that’s more fragmentation!” but that argument is so bizarre to me. It’s the opposite.

    Google is going to spending a lot more time and money on their Pixel lines. Hardware/software optimizations, Google services perks (like the Photo storage), support options (I do think 2 years is too short, to be fair).

    We’re in this weird place where people are simultaneously complaining about the Pixel not having features that differentiate itself, while also complaining that the Pixel has exclusive features and that’s not fair to everyone else. Could the camera/launcher/Assistant all be ported to Nexus? Sure. Could they be included in AOSP? With more money and effort, sure. But isn’t that the point here?

    Google is spending more money on Pixel specifically. Both from an (exclusive) software/hardware development point-of-view and a retail/support/marketing point-of-view. R&D is also going to be a big deal. They’re already working on the next iterations of the phones, something they’ve never done with the Nexus.

    I think the Pixel is going to be awesome. Really looking forward to the reviews.

    • Erik Schuessler

      The 2 year support is still the major failure here. I think everything else is great for Google for the most part. Pricing is so premium for these devices (comparable to iPhones specifically) and Apple manages to support their devices for a very long time—the 4S only just stopped getting OS updates! Android and iOS are vastly different beasts, but to the average consumer being on the cutting edge software-wise is very important. Google needs to strive for a 3 year minimum update support for any phones moving forward.

    • msrfx

      I agree with both you and Kellex. I see this change as a good thing. Google needed to take control, and this is their answer. I already pre-ordered mine. I’ll give my 6P to my wife.

  • James

    I have no problems with Pixel. I do have a problem with Google basically leaving current Nexus owners in the cold – some of their most loyal customers.

    • Mike

      Not sure how they are doing that, you will still get updates like you were, your phone is still controlled by Google you just don’t get features specific to the Pixel line, not that you can’t find ways to get them to work using alternative means…

      • James

        Google has said Nexus 6P owners won’t get stable 7.1 until 2017. That is not “getting updates like you were.”

        • Joshua Wise

          I’ve owned every Nexus device, excluding the Nexus S. Even though I have been invested, I like Googles new direction. It needed to happen. Also, the Nexus devices have always intended as developer devices, the 6P and other devices will be getting a preview build of 7.1 before 2017 – that’s what you sign up for when getting the device.

          • James

            Every. Single. Time. This view is so old, it’s got liver spots.

            http://www.droid-life.com/2014/11/20/i-didnt-buy-a-nexus-to-flash-all-the-things/

            I signed up to Nexus for updates available right away, not developer previews.

          • Beauregard Stauffer

            I was upset that every other device was upgraded to 7.0 then us nexus 6 owners had to wait nearly a month. Now we hear 7.1 is on it way.

          • Keith Schwerin

            Nice for you, no one cares about why YOU signed up, a person only needs care about why THEY signed up.

          • Nate

            No, I signed up for the latest Android. Being stuck at 7.0 when 7.1 is released already on Pixel is NOT what I signed up for getting the 6P.

          • seattle tech

            Google doesn’t want you to have Google assistant on your google 6p.

          • bweezy21

            huawei nexus 6p*

            fixed it for you

          • seattle tech

            Nope Google NEXUS 6P. It is a google product with huawei making it.

          • bweezy21

            how is it a google product? i think this is the fundamental difference people such as yourself don’t seem to understand. that was a huawei phone. running bland android with no addons. with universal software features for all android phones. thats not how you win in the mobile industry.

          • seattle tech

            Are you being serious with yourself right now? Does it run emui? Nexus 6p is a google product. There was no phone is huaweis lineup that looked like the 6p. So when i bought my 6p from google play store it wasn’t a google NEXUS phone?

          • bweezy21

            i am being totally serious. why do you think they advertised the pixel as the first phone “made by google”. you people are delusional. lol. its kind of sad. btw i have owned a nexus one, s, and 6.

          • seattle tech

            Delusional? LOL maybe you are easily fooled because google says “made by google” Oh since google says that all previous nexus aren’t made by google… Oh so the pixel isn’t made by htc taking the a9? Oh so the nexus 6p wasn’t made by hauwei with googles choices of components.

          • bweezy21

            is the iPhone made by foxconn? or samsung? dude move on. be frugal. don’t buy their products. stop complaining. lol.

          • seattle tech

            First of all your logic is illogical hahah
            Secondly you are just arguing with yourself right now.
            So with your last reply the iphone is not an apple iphone it is a foxconn iphone.

            Go call up google and ask if the nexus is a google product. I can’t believe i’m arguing something so simple with you

          • bweezy21

            who handles warranty claims on nexus devices? you will learn that it is the device manufacturer. NOT google. pixel phones are handled by google. so i had to be illogical to prove my point. you have been silly believing nexus phones were google products. they were supported by google thats about it. google put their name no where on them.

          • James Cooper

            Exactly, and unlike Apple, Google’s phone isn’t the only show in town – its just an Apple priced device in a market full of significantly cheaper options. This kind of money will probably buy you whatever Samsung releases in April – and that’s going to to be the iPhone 8 competitor (Just sayng, I’m not trying to plug Samsung).

          • bweezy21

            So just to be clear we are saying the pixel is not worth as much as an iPhone 7 or a Samsung galaxy s7 which currently costs more than the pixel btw. That’s what we are saying? What criteria are we judging it on? Nexus standards? That’s yalls problem. I would pick this phone over the s7 every time. Beats it in every spec except water proofing.

          • FreeLivin

            Give me a break, typical american complaining who didn’t get what they felt they should. I mean seriously, Google held back the N update on 6p for how long because of issues and you are griping about 7.1 alrdy because the Pixel will release with it. About as bad as ppl complaining the new Lg was releasing with 7.0 before Google even announced the Pixel yesterday which has 7.1 now. And since when do ppl get this idea when something is out it means Everyone or Everything should have it on day one, that thought process makes absolutely NO logical sense.

          • Guest

            It was the Motorola Nexus 6
            The rest of your rant is on point though

          • FreeLivin

            Good call was my bad typing seeing as i own both devices & all other Nexus & motos, but 6p had issues also with N when they first start pushing it out unlike me having no problems on my N5x running N

          • James Cooper

            And most likely 7.1 = N + Virtual reality not designed for your current handset. Pretty sure that extra .1 I don’t have on my 6p is not going to change my life.

        • AxemRed

          They said by the end of the year. You will probably get the update in December. And that’s exactly as planned. Earlier in the year, Google said there would be quarterly updates. 3 months from September’s nougat release is December, right on schedule.

        • JSo

          Where is this link to where Google actually said we won’t get a stable version of 7.1 until 2017. I only read that we will get a preview by the end of 2016. Nothing was said about a stable version. We could very well get a stable version and then be able to enroll in the 7.1 maintenance preview from there. I think maintenance previews and dev previews are getting mixed up. They are two different things Google will be doing

          • James

            Your interpretation is just not correct. Developer previews precede stable versions. Google said a developer preview will arrive by the ened of the year. If a stable version was going to be released before 2017, that’s exactly what they would have said.

          • JSo

            They also said earlier this year that a maintenance release will be given in the form of a dev preview in the fall. Don’t know what that exactly means. What does that mean to you?

          • Keith Schwerin

            7.1 must already be stable if they are shipping the Pixel with it at end of October. Why are they needed to spend more months of dev and testing on an OS they are comfortable shipping already?

          • JSo

            All that was reported was that we were getting a developer preview before the end of the year. Nothing was said about a stable release. This is how I take it. Earlier in the year, they said they will be releasing a Maintenance Release Preview in the form of a dev preview in the fall. This is different than the other Developer Preview we have gotten in the past. I have a feeling this is what they were referring to. Now, to me, a Maintenance Release means that it is something that comes after a stable release. If that’s the case, we could get 7.1 in a final form then both the Pixels and Nexus devices can enroll in this MR Preview. I’m aware, i could be completely wrong. But I think everyone sees “developer preview” and automatically assumes it’s something leading up to a final 7.1 build.

        • Jason

          does this mean all other android phones won’t get a stable 7.1 update until 2018?

        • p0k3y

          RIP Google Android – it will only get more fragmented than ever, since nobody in their right mind will buy the pixel phones and now Nexus phones won’t even get timely updates? What are they thinking?

          • Kevin

            when did they say nexus phones aren’t going to get timely updates? Not being sarcastic i just haven’t seen anything that says this. All i’ve seen is that they aren’t going to design any new nexus devices but, they’re still going to support the ones that they’ve created and they have already outlined how long the devices will be supported.

          • p0k3y

            The fact that 7.1 won’t be available for 6p until 2017 is just the start of things. It’s very obvious how this Pixel phone strategy will lead to worse fragmentation, where only a tinier number of phones will be running the latest android.

      • The exclusive 7.1 features of the pixel wont be on the nexus phones. check the changelog.

        • Mike

          Yep, and why would you expect it to?

          • Tyler Durden

            Are the Pixel devices running a forked/skinned version of Android now?

          • eric

            pretty much. pixel is a skinned version of stock android, skinned by google themselves. crazy to read that i know.

          • Tyler Durden

            So they’re going against their own philosophy. Awesome.

          • Tyler Burden

            Are they? Or is this some sort of elaborate iPhone scheme? It’s top secret whatever it is. Only iPhone user’s know the real answer, so just buy and iPhone. I did, and look how cool I am. I have so many friends that I can’t even count them anymore with my fingers and toes. Get yourself and iPhone, derp

          • Jason

            i think tyler is broken. he just replied to himself.

          • Tyler Durden

            you try too hard, trolls are better when they don’t try

          • Tyler Burden

            Guys I just updated my profile pic from my iPhone, what do you think, derp

          • PoisonApple31

            Funny! Do Tim P. next!

          • RiceCake

            Yeah….makes me feel we have been pushed back a few years….I mean a dock overlay? Looks something tacky from the motoblur days or something. Or did they buy the rights to LauncherPro?
            No manual camera controls? No water resistant features, no front speaker, no 64gb option?

          • This is how I felt. Too many compromises for $900

          • Erik O

            (…the Nexus 6P ran a skinned version of AOSP…)

          • Victor Stuber

            yes

      • Mark555055

        so you’re saying i have to hack and fudge around on xda to get the latest from google on my less than one year old nexus 6 PREMIUM… Just want to to make sure i have everything clear….

        • Mike

          You have to hack to get features that aren’t specific to your phone brand, just like if I wanted anything Touchwiz related on my Nexus phone.

          Nexus =/= Pixel

          • Joshua Wise

            Exactly. Everyone is so salty about the Pixel having something their Nexus doesn’t. They aren’t the same thing, end of story.

          • James

            Assistant is being implemented throughout the Google ecosystem – it’s not like it’s only a Pixel thing. Beyond that, the feature exclusives are a totally different animal than the Android OS updates delay.

            So your argument is valid, why?

          • Mark555055

            They aren’t? So… what magical hardware does the pixel have that prevents Nexus phones from running pixel launcher and integrated google assistant(google now)?

          • cdm283813

            Pixel dust would be the answer.

          • Mark555055

            The nexus became the pixel. I understand google doesn’t want that to be the public reception, but that is reality. The reality is, people bought the nexus 5x and Nexus 6p less than a year ago with a major “feature” being that they would receive the latest from Google when it happens.

            There is zero reason that the 5x and 6p should be left out from getting the new launcher and google assistant. Google actually has to go out of the way to make these features pixel specific. It’s a marketing ploy plain and simple and has left loyal nexus customers out to dry.

          • Jay

            Well, the Nexus line receives the latest from android. The Pixels will receive the latest from Google.

          • Mark555055

            That is false.
            Aosp = Android.
            Nexus = Android + Google software

          • MattBoan

            Deciding to change the name of your phone brand 2/3rds of the way through a development cycle (remember when Pixel Launcher was Nexus Launcher) does not mean you should break your promise of timely updates with all the new features to those who bought into your previous, mostly the same brand.

        • bweezy21

          the nexus 6 is actually coming up on 2 years old. so yeah get ready to be a regular on xda with all the other 2 year old phone owners.

          • Mark555055

            i have a nexus 6p

      • Cory Wilson

        Yeah this will probably push me back to Roms no doubt. We all know someone will make a pixel experience rom. You can bet money on that

      • MattBoan

        System-wide Google Assistant should not be exclusive to the Pixel phones.

        • Miguel

          I’m sure that’s coming to all Android phones but they need it to add some exclusiveness to the Pixels, the assistant is one of them.

          • MattBoan

            The 7.1 changelog that AP posted yesterday lists System-wide Google Assistant as a Pixel phone exclusive. We may get some portion of it down the road, we may not. But it’s clear that they’re reserving the full effort for only their new devices. Which is frustrating given that it is just a continuation of Google Now…that they felt the need to rebrand. Kind of like their new phones…

        • bweezy21

          why not?

        • Me

          Why not?

      • cdm283813

        People laughed when I said that my Nexus 6 was not getting timely updates after Android N officially dropped. Guess what 6P owners, the same will happen to you from now to next year. It only took a few weeks for Google to basically destroy what the Nexus program meant to Android fans. And no way I’m recommending a over priced Pixel phone, I’ll just tell them to get an over priced iPhone. At least we know that Apple will give the phone “timely” updates regardless which carrier they have. And speaking of timely updates good luck with Verizon’s track record. No way will Verizon release a update the same time Google releases updates for their unlocked PIxel phones. Look no further than the treatment the Galaxy Nexus received a few years ago. To add insult to injury the bootloader is locked on the Verizon variant.

    • Jes Marwaha

      This is how I feel, some of us have been invested in the Nexus program since the very start, and for it to be ditched like this okay is understandable, but wow. Cold stuff from Google.

      • jamaall

        They didn’t ditch Nexus users, they progressed. Think of the Nexus as Google’s beta phone and the Pixel as their final product. That’s essentially what just happened.

        • seattle tech

          Progress with 32gb to 128gb choice? Progress with $120 more for a .5″ screen size? Leave all loyal nexus fans in the cold.

          • jamaall

            Yes, at least it isn’t 16gb to 64gb anymore. It would have been nice to see 32/64/128 but more options means more cost. As for the screen size, I do agree that is steep, it was probably more to be in line with competition.

          • seattle tech

            32gb is the new 16gb. The structured pricing of pixel proves it is about profit.

          • jamaall

            Yup it is. The Pixel is no different from a Galaxy, iPhone, etc. That’s how I am viewing it and Google is still getting my money.

          • Jason

            something something apple something sheep something something cult.

          • jamaall

            Isn’t that a bit old? It sounds more like you’re in a cult. Different products appeal to different people. Buy what you want.

          • Jason

            i agree with half of what you said. you should get what you want because it appeals to you not because, “The Pixel is no different from a Galaxy, iPhone, etc. That’s how I am viewing it and Google is still getting my money.” and for future reference that statement sounds more like a cult. hence my reply. QED.

          • jamaall

            Yes it is no different. Its another brand, another option. I am buying what I want, the Pixel appeal to me most. How is the Pixel not different from other brands in that sense?

          • seattle tech

            The thing is the hardware features (or lack of) doesn’t justify it’s pricing to me.

          • jamaall

            Then don’t buy it, it’s your choice. The specs are little different than other ‘top of the line’ phones.

          • Keith Schwerin

            Not me, I got a Galaxy S7E for $589, that’s $61 less than the entry Pixel with IMO much better specs and features both software and hardware. For me $61 is almost 2 months of phone bills.

        • MattBoan

          The “beta users” argument. I swiped that from an AP user yesterday. Makes sense, unfortunately. However…most Beta users at least get some kind of discount on the final product if their test data (hardware in this case) is going to be completely wiped.

          • jamaall

            That’s where it gets more interpretive. The beta users saw a discount on their beta hardware. Google definitely could have charged more for their Nexus devices but they didn’t. That’s the way I’d think of it. There’s not really a way for Google to “give” Nexus users anything. It is unfortunate, but I see why they did what they did.

          • MattBoan

            Ah, but it was never billed as a beta. It was billed as “the latest and greatest, directly from Google”. That’s why most of us bought into Nexus devices. Not because they were “cheaper” alternatives to current flagships.

          • jamaall

            This is true. Also an interpretive subject. Its not like anything is going to change though. We’re lucky the Nexus was ever a thing and for this long. Its really been a journey watching Android progress to where it is now.

        • Tyler Durden

          lol – so 8 years of beta phones to a not so much different final product. That’s even worse.

          • Tyler Burden

            lol – so 10 years of the same phone to a not so much different final product. I am a professional grammerer, everyone with an iPhone is in case you didn’t know, derp

          • Darren Pawlak

            well this IS Google…. them leaving something in Beta for a decade is kinda par for the course :/

        • MJ

          No… The only thing that happened is we got a phone with a little better build quality for $200 more. LOL

        • Jes Marwaha

          So for the last 8 years we’ve been used as guinea pigs? Lol

        • Pixel=rip off. No amount of not being beta changes that.

      • Daniel Lujan

        I agree here, I have a nexus 6p… Google isn’t giving us the fancy new animations or the new Google Assistant. They can’t tell me that this hardware isn’t powerful enough, so why not just release the new software goodies for the 6p and 5x? I don’t see how that hurts them, in fact, it might even help them smooth the transition to the Pixel era for current Nexus owners. Maybe I’m jumping the gun in thinking the new Pixel software features won’t come to Nexus devices, but they sure made it sound like it isn’t a priority yesterday.

        • JRomeo

          why not just use the fancy new google assistant inside the Allo app ?

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    • Cory Wilson

      Yeah I’m kind of feeling that way about some of the other stuff. There’s never been a guarantee of cheap phone’s but for the most part the older nexuses always got fast updates with nearly all the new features that weren’t hardware dependent built in. Not this time, we’re expected to get 7.1 by the end of the year and we’re not getting pixel launcher, new nav button’s, system UI theming or the big one, assistant. Assistant is the one that really irks me. I remember a big factor in switching to nexus device’s was at the time I was rocking an HTC vivid, and when it got updated to ICS, it got a special version of sense that looked like the older sense on gingerbread instead of getting the newer sense 4.0 on the flagship one series at the time. It wasn’t by far the only reason, but now I feel like I’m in the same boat with my 6p. I’m getting an update version of Android 7.1 not the real deal. And by the end of the year… that’s a lot longer ETA than expected. But it doesn’t really even matter since I’m not getting the new features, my version will look just like 7.0 with background bug fixes.

      • Cory Wilson

        But I will get over it and just rely on xda to give me my proper update lol. That’s one thing the vivid didn’t have. You could root it with ease only to find no aosp ROMs when you got on XDA.

    • ReXeR

      Google should have offered some kind of trade in program for nexus 5x and 6p owners to help with smoothing things over during the pixel transition. Or even offered 7.1 as an immediate update. The attitude of “well, you’ll get the update some time next year with no promises after that” just doesn’t fly well.

    • @haggerty84

      Exactly….and the phones are too small!!!

    • Ant

      How did google leave you in the cold when the nexus line was the beta project for what is now the pixel line of phones. For those looking for high end specs around the $399.99 price tier OnePlus & ZTE have options available.

    • Greyhame

      How is Google leaving current Nexus owners in the cold? Serious question. I would like to know the arguments.

      • JSo

        Basically, they are not giving Nexus users a few features the Pixel has. Google Assistant and Pixel Launcher just to name a couple. But honestly, everyone uses Nova or Action Launcher anyway and Google Assistant is just a slightly smarter version of Now on Tap and Google Now. Personally, I don’t think it’s going to be as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be right now. And who knows how much of that stuff will come to Nexus phones by other methods like developers.

        • Greyhame

          What everyone is refusing to come to terms with is that some features of the Pixel phones will be exclusive. Pichai himself said they were planning to differentiate their future phones through software. He was talking about Nexus phones at the time (I believe), but that plan has obviously shifted. And for the price of the Pixels, they are, in my opinion, due some software exclusives. It’s simply business not to give out everything your premium devices have to your lesser devices. Unfortunately the Nexus phones are no longer their number one. It’s definitely a curve ball, and the Nexus 6P in my hands right now will be a little sad, but ultimately I agree with you. It doesn’t automatically turn this phone into a piece of junk, and I don’t think it will be that big of a deal. Especially not to the masses, and that is, FOR ONCE, Google’s target audience. I’m looking forward to the future!

          • Guest

            There is already ‘news’ that the 2017/2018 Pixels will come with custom chipset and hardware
            refined and optimized by Google

          • Greyhame

            Really!!?!?!? Source?

      • Nate

        No 7.1 until 2017 (Dev Preview at end of 2016) when it’ll already be on Pixel.

        • Greyhame

          They said dev preview would arrive this quarter, not specifically at the end of the year. It could drop any time after the pixels officially start shipping. Did they say stable wouldn’t be till ’17? I don’t recall that, but I may have missed it. If not, your entire timeframe is speculation.

          • Nate

            I’d be shocked if they turned around from dev preview to release in under a quarter (Plus, only 3 months left this year).

          • Greyhame

            In my experience, the previews have run extremely well. You will be able to have at it with your Nexus device.

          • Is it so shocking, though? The Pixels already run 7.1 out of the box; shouldn’t be too hard to port the code over to the older Nexuses, especially if they strip all of the “custom, exclusive Pixel stuff” from it.

    • Mark555055

      Yep. i have no problem with the pixel brand, i have no issue with the design of these phones, and i also have no issue with the price of these phones. I have an issue with my less than a year old Nexus 6PREMIUM being abandoned.

    • needa

      How did they leave you in the cold? There are plenty of devices at Nexus prices out there. And quite honestly… Some of those devices are better than the Nexus ever was.

    • michael arazan

      The same customers who have/had Brand Loyalty and are the reason why Nexus’ were bought in the first place. The reason why Nexus sold in the thousands to millions. Shake that foundation and get the loyalist to dismiss your products and who knows. Moments like this is when companies stop seeing people and only numbers and then tell you what you want, sound familiar?

    • Decent phones. However they are two (2x) times the price they should be. SHAME on Google for becoming greedy shysters. They sell your data AND charge top dollar now. This is treason against all of us Nexus loyalists. Also the obsession to prevent full experience with rooted devices by Google is disgusting. Next phone may be time to switch. No waterproofing, no OIS, no stereo speakers, no IP67, no expandable storage, massive bezels and no removable battery. Pixel (non-XL) is just stupid price, over twice the price of the phone it replaces…

  • Butane87

    My question is will my 6P get the same launcher with Google assistant?

    • Mark555055

      Not for quite a long while. They are “pixel specific” for the time being.

    • 6P will not get assistant. Google is considering bringing the launcher to other devices, however, apks are floating around.

  • Nate

    They’re not only killing off Nexus name, they’ll killing off the biggest draw for past Nexus devices. That is, latest Android.

    I bought my 6P with the promise I’d have the latest and greatest Android. Now, I’ll have to wait for 7.1 (and even then only a preview at the end of the year) while it’ll be in the wild already.

    That’s my biggest issue with Google right now.

    • Jes Marwaha

      Android fragmentation is already a massive problem, this is just adding to the mess…

      • lonepalm

        Is it though? Samsung has shown signs that they will likely move to their Tizen in the near future. Once they work out the kinks and such. If Samsung pulled out of Android, Android would be toast. Google is effectively securing the future of Android…in my opinion.

    • enigmaco

      change is inevitable though.