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Verizon CFO: First LTE-Only Phone Arriving First Half of 2016

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Verizon CFO Fran “ShamWow” Shammo sat down for the opening of the Oppenheimer Internet and Communication Conference this morning to discuss the state of his company’s affairs. These conversations typically revolve around areas that Big Red can continue to to grow in to make more money, since that’s all investors really care about. But when speaking of new money-making arenas, we tend to learn about Verizon timelines for new products or services, like 4G LTE rollouts or Multicast or the introduction of everyone’s favorite, tiered data plans.

This morning, when discussing the company’s upcoming VoLTE launch, Shammo was asked when we would see the first phone from Verizon that would be LTE-only, lacking a 3G-CDMA chip. The answer, surprisingly (to me at least), was to not expect a device without a 3G chip until the first half of 2016. In case you forgot how to read a calendar, that’s at least a year and a half away from now, but could be more like two years.

The last we had heard on LTE-only phones arriving was in June of 2013, where Verizon CNO Nicki Palmer said that we could see LTE-only phones by the end of 2014. Clearly, things have changed.

Of course, in order for this to happen, Verizon needs to make sure that their VoLTE setup is rock solid, so that it can deliver the same experience that their customers currently get over 3G. At this point, Verizon has plans to push a nationwide VoLTE rollout within the next few months, though Shammo would only mention that they want to get it right before launching. The sooner the better for those of us who want a phone that runs on LTE-only. LTE-only phones, in theory, could open up a world where unlocked LTE-only phones can be taken from carrier to carrier with ease.

Via:  Oppenheimer Conference
  • RaptorOO7

    Plus they will need to get approval to repurpose the old 3G spectrum into some LTE coverage, albeit crappy coverage. It ain’t cheap but they like to spend OUR money don’t they.

  • Jason B

    1 bar of T-Mobile LTE: 20+ Mbps down / 13-16 Mbps up

    1 bar of Verizon LTE: 5-8 Mbps down / 0.78 Mbps up

    Crowded much?

  • HarvesterX

    Verizon is just touching up their VoLTE plans to aid with Network Optimizations, that’s all. A family shared plan consists of 10000 words spoken each call with overages. Lol more realistically, what does this mean for all users on non unlimited talk plans. If I’m in unlimited data still dies this mean I get unlimited VoLTE calls as well? I’m assuming though that these calla don’t eat into tiered users data plans but with VZW throttling unlimited data users,does this mean that those on unlij ed data plans have their VoLTE calla counted towards those 4.7BG top 5% users cap?

  • droidrazredge

    After reading this now and the thought of phone possibilities on Verizon it makes sense why they are now making it virtually impossible to keep / want unlimited data anymore……

  • Tyler

    So first Verizon nexus in 2016 you say …

  • creed

    2 years seems a little ambitious. There are still parts of my sales territory that are 1x.

  • Brian Farnham

    and what happens when i travel abroad to a country that either doesn’t have LTE or verizon doesn’t have an LTE roaming agreement with?

    • Droid22

      It’s gsm compatibility allows it to work over seas.

      • Brian Farnham

        i think i’m missing something. the article says it would drop 3g capability, meaning only LTE data would work. or is the 3g portion only the cdma 3g chip and the lte chip still has gsm’s 3g?

        • hkklife

          I think they mean the CDMA radios that contain Qualcomm’s proprietary IP and run hot and add unnecessary size, packaging concerns and power consumption. GSM (ie HSPA) 3G or faux-4G or whaever you want to call it is fine. Think of the LTE Nexus 7 as an example of what VZW handsets COULD be like in 2 years’ time!

          • Brian Farnham

            okay, this makes more sense now. i’m personally on at&t right now so it doesn’t really apply to me, but i always entertain the idea of going back to verizon. since i think i’m finally leaving the android world (have had the gnex, galaxy s3 & 4 and moto x) for the iphone 6, but need the simultaneous data so i’m stuck with at&t most likely.

          • skinja99

            You should be able to take most VZW LTE phones overseas and put a local sim in them. I used to do that, but now I mostly just use wifi calling if I need to make calls, and pre-cache google maps. Much easier to just use the wifi at the hotel or where ever sometimes.

          • Brian Farnham

            definitely a great option for most people. for me, my cell is paid for with international voice, data and text by my company.

          • jimt

            Pre-cached google maps don’t work so well for navigation, but to show you where you are on the map. I wasn’t able to actually navigate, as such. It was better than nothing but not much better. How did it work for you?

  • mcdonsco

    I would NOT want this phone…I still hit 3g only areas fairly often not too mention middle of no where areas (camping etc) where you know of one area where you can get 1 bar of signal, just enough to transmit some text messages.

    LTE only? Uhhh, no thanks.

  • ThomasMoneyhon

    When they open the door to this, theoretically you could use the C-block rules to take an unlocked phone with both att & Verizon LTE frequencies and operate on both with the correct sims and VoLTE. Verizon legally wouldn’t be able to stop you as your phone has No CDMA, which prevented cross network before from really taking off. Now illegally they can just do what they did with the nexus 7 LTE and no one will stop them.
    The latter is probably the more likely. Still just imagine a nexus phone with an unlocked bootloader that if you had an activated Verizon LTE sim you could just use for voice and data and they would be helpless to stop you, because essentially Verizon is engineering a open door with their VoLTE rollout. Would be a good ‘f*ck you’ middle finger from google to Verizon.

  • Bionicman

    i probably wouldn’t mine. whenever my phone tries to go to 3G these days, it just sucks the battery life right out of my phone.

  • Chippah

    I think the Actual Shamwow guy would make a better CFO.

    http://www.blogcdn.com/jobs.aol.com/articles/media/2011/04/shamwow-youtube-293.jpg

  • jimt

    I guess every house will have its own personal tower for this plan to work. Each tower will feature the Verizon logo for all to admire from a distance.

  • Tyler

    Given how little I’m actually getting LTE in San Francisco area, sounds like a good idea.

    • Mike

      You do realize this isn’t happening for two years right? And they aren’t just magically turning off their 3G at that point, they are just making VoLTE available.

  • Ralph Bretz

    Verizon CFO Fran “ShamWow” Shammo = Verizon Certified F&ck Off Fran “ShamWow” Shammo

  • http://transcendingturmoil.tumblr.com/ gaajiwaaih

    Blazing fast data speeds are worthless with limited data plans. It’s like being given a Ferrari but being forced to drive only in parking lots.

    • pyro74boy .

      Agreed and the faster the data the faster you use up 2GB,s of data per month and then people without unlimited data are going to be looking at an $800 dollar bill or more. That’s what Verizon is counting on. SO SAD.

    • Mike

      Playing devils advocate, blazing fast data speeds are for more than just torrenting a 5 GB movie or using YouTube in 1440p. Web pages load faster, email / twitter/ Facebook load faster, it’s not just a plus for larger files.

      Using your analogy it’s like having a Ferrari but your forced to only drive at 150 MPH or not use it at all. Just because you have a Ferrari doesn’t mean you can’t drive it through a city.

      • deskjob

        Agreed, but to play devil’s advocate to your devil’s advocate, the current data speeds are already quite fast for tasks like webpages/emails/twitter/FB. That’s like saying the Ferrari will make your grocery runs faster because you can accelerate from 0 to 35mph faster than ever before. Yes, it will save you time, but only under ideal conditions (no traffic/light or strong signal), and even then the benefits are probably negligible at best.

        • Mike

          I can agree to that, but really with speeds being maxed out around 10 to 20 Mbps I wouldn’t really call that “Ferrari esque” speeds. But yea, past 5 Mbps most users aren’t going to see a difference with “Normal” day to day use.

          • deskjob

            Oh yeah I totally agree, 10 to 20 Mbps isn’t Ferrari-esque. It’s probably more minivan-esque, although with minivans getting 250hp+ nowadays that’s not too shabby. I was just running with your original Ferrari metaphor :)

            I think as with all things in life, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Sure, torrenting Blu-ray movies off your unlimited data is one extreme, but so is the 2GB limit for a LTE connection. Say I listen to Spotify one hour a day at 320kbps, that’s about 140MB per day. That’s a perfectly reasonable thing to do I think, on a work commute or whatnot. So if I do nothing else, 140MB x 20 is 2800MB or well over the 2GB limit. And mind you, this is music that’s still technically less than CD quality, and I am using zero data else where.

          • Mike

            Again, I agree but on the same note I don’t know how anyone could live with 2 GB of data. My wife uses about 2 and a half per month but our other friends (Each on a 2 GB plan for two years now) have never gone over and have never had issues. I don’t know what they use it for (Well I know my wife is basically just a Facebookaholic) but I guess it’s nothing major.

            Obviously like everything it depends on usage but I would never go any less than at least 4 GB per month and even that would be somewhat of a crunch for me.

    • j

      Speed or no speed.. carriers are limiting data plans at the same time as everyone is pushing cloud this and streaming that is pretty ass backwards. When everyone had unlimited plans, there were many many fewer services to consume that data with. Now everything is moving in that direction, and you can eat through a 2gb data plan streaming one single HD movie from play movies (last one I watched clocked in at 3.5gb total data for streaming). Carriers are stifling innovation because most people can’t use all the cool new services.

  • yummy

    It appears from the comments, that humans are severely mentally diminished beings, maybe verizon is correct in treating us like dogs.

  • Cael

    Hmm lets see what they have to do:
    1. Get rid of the Unlimited Data Users
    2. Determine how to rip people off/charge for VoLTE services
    3. Determine how to prevent Unlimited Data users from getting VoLTE with their current plans.
    4. Actually get VoLTE running
    5. Get rid of the Unlimited Data Users
    6. Determine new ways to rip people off/charge for LTE only.
    7. Determine how to prevent Unlimited Data users from getting LTE only phones with their current plans or determine how to get rid of Unlimited Plans once and for all with as little vocal backlash
    8. Determine how to make up any loss revenue from people not buying an LTE phone from Verizon
    9. Release an LTE-only phone
    Yeah I see why it will take so long.

    • cornflahkes

      10. Federal approval that trumps local laws for allowing Verizon to build their new towers 500′ tall. They will be revolving, one side it will look like a hand flipping you the bird, the other side will be a giant cock and balls. With the Verizon logo emblazoned (and 4G, the checkmark, XLTE, VoLTE, and anything else they can think of) all over each of them.

      At night they will be lit up quite nicely.

  • cornflahkes

    Thought I saw something very early on in the LTE rollouts, even though some of the carriers may use the same “bands” (ie 4, 13, etc) their specific little slices do NOT overlap. In other words, here in Corporate ‘Merica, we will still be effed and not taking phones back and forth easily.

  • Gary Hicks

    As soon as I can sell my current VZW phone, I’m finally leaving!

  • russwc2

    At least Verizon will have to greatly improve and expand the reach of their 4G network.

    • jimt

      Or just get rid of all those pesky users.

  • Scott

    There are wholes all over Baltimore where my 4G drops to 3G. When my contract is up with Verizon, I’m out.

    • hkklife

      Agreed. Unless I’m right in the middle of town, my Note 3 spends as almost much time in 3G as it does in LTE—or, is in a fringe LTE area and pulls the battery down.

      • Scott

        What carrier are you planning on? I considering AT&T. T-Mobile’s coverage just isn’t there for me as I fly all over the country.

      • John Kitchen

        Get something besides a Samsung and you’ll be fine. The Note 3 (and Samsungs in general) are AWFUL at holding service on VZW.

  • jimt

    They will actually come out with new improved 2g service buy cutting 4g in half thus doubling the voice possibilities and their profits.

  • pyro74boy .

    Verizon is such a cheap company that pretty soon they are going to charge you yo walk in their store and talk to a sales rep before you can even try out new devices. EPIC FAIL ON VERIZON WIRELESS THE WORST COMPANY IN THE USA

    • Mr. Mueller

      Chill out Ricky.

      • Gary Hicks

        Why should he? Is he being too honest?

  • jimt

    Nobody uses voice, anyway.

  • TodayWeLieQuestionMark

    LTE only

    Throttled to 3G

    Because Verizon.

    • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

      You mean the few remaining unlimited data users? No one else gets throttled.

      • TodayWeLieQuestionMark

        I forgot we’re on the internet and jokes aren’t funny. My bad.

        • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

          Not sure how it’s a joke… Verizon has awesome speeds

          • jimt

            As long as you are the only person using the tower.

          • TodayWeLieQuestionMark

            Hah, exactly.

            For example, here in DC i get 2MB/s with T mobile LTE. Compared to 200KB/s with Verizon. That’s a majority of the town I’ve tested with! Only when you get out to the boonies where their towers are used less do you get great speed. (note that’s megaBYTES and kiloBYTES)

            Their speeds are just shat these days.

          • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

            If you’re in an AWS market, you see great speeds. I see on average 20-40Mbps, with peaks 60-75Mbps.

          • jimt

            Get to your cap or throttling much quicker that way. “Three is a crowd”. Verizon’s new slogan for tower control.

          • TodayWeLieQuestionMark

            Being biased is not the correct way to live, sir.

  • lgreg64

    They need the time to figure out how to lock down there service so you can’t move your phone

  • Can U Blow Me Now

    Oh good. Even crappier voice service.

  • pyro74boy .

    By 2016 Unlimited data won’t even be around at all anymore anyway. Really true unlimited data will be gone by October 1st and I will be gone by then at the latest. Verizon is doing everything in their power to lose their unlimited data users as customers and they don’t care about me and lie. EPIC FAIL ON VERIZON WIRELESS.

    • TodayWeLieQuestionMark

      I just signed with T-Mobile yesterday, DC area, after reading those internal leaks closing my favorite loophole. Then the throttling of LTE. I’m over them. Who cares if the ‘coverage’ is good when it’s just as fast as the competition since you’re being throttled. Their business plan makes 0 sense. Good riddance.

      • pyro74boy .

        Yeah that’s what I’m doing no later then October 1st. The only difference is that I’m making my T-mobile rep put it in writing that I will have true unlimited data without being throttled before I agree and sing anything. My plan on T-mobile will be better because I only have 450 anytime minutes on Verizon right now and with T-mobile I will have truly unlimited everything and don’t have to worry about keeping track of my anytime minutes. Plus T-mobiles network has way faster LTE data speeds compared to Verizon at least in my local area.

        • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

          I’d personally wait until after October 1st, and see if you even get throttled. You never know, Verizon may stick to their word about only throttling people on congested towers.

          • TodayWeLieQuestionMark

            It’s more than that to me. It’s about supporting a company that I believe in.

            I used to believe in Verizon’s attempt to be #1 in coverage and #1 in unlimited data. Now my beliefs about them tend to lean towards them being #1 in profit and #1 in being deceptive to their consumer base. I just can’t support those tactics anymore. I have a few morals ;)

          • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

            I’m with you on that, I’ve had a Moto X on T-Mobiles $30 plan that I activate from time to time to test it out, if they start upgrading their GPRS sites in New England to LTE than I’ll switch, but 2G is just unusable

          • TodayWeLieQuestionMark

            They’re using that 700mhz spec to increase coverage in dense areas as well as turning all their old 3g towers into 4g towers, most likely LTE. I’ve kept up with their info over the month+ of considering joining them.

            It’s cool though, i’m going to go away now as I have no interest in convincing you otherwise.

          • Lunkman

            If you think T-Mobile’s (or any other carrier’s) #1 priority is anything OTHER than profits, then you sir are insane.

          • TodayWeLieQuestionMark

            Did i say T-Mobiles ever excluded that?

          • pyro74boy .

            I know for a fact that I use more then 4.7GB,s of data a month so I’m in the top %5 percent so I’m not even going to take the chance and let Verizon play these games with me and have fun with me. Plus I’m not letting it end there I’m telling everyone that I know how I have been treated at Verizon and tell them not to join the RIPOFF network.

          • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

            To each their own. I’m willing to pay a little more for a superior network where I know I’ll have LTE when I go places, and until I actually start getting throttled I’ll stick around. Besides, they have been great to me. I’ve complained about coverage issues in 3 locations the past couple years, and 2 of those locations now have a new tower.

          • pyro74boy .

            But T-mobile works everywhere around here and even works in places where Verizon phones are searching for single. Now I understand that this is not always the case depending on where you live and some people don’t live in areas where T-mobile has service and will need companies like AT&T and Verizon but T-mobile works everywhere I need it to and I hardly even travel outside of my local area and the Speeds on T-mobile on their LTE network are the fastest around when compared to EVERYONE ELSE.

          • jimt

            Not everyone gets their own personal towers like you. If you ever go out in the world you will find there are places where Verizon LTE is slower than the other guys.

    • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

      What happens on October 1st?

      • Gary Hicks

        VZW will start throttling all unlimited data users that use more than 4.7gb of data per month.

        • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

          Ah, didn’t remember the date of that. They claim it will only be on congested towers, but knowing Verizon they will claim all towers are congested.

          • Gary Hicks

            Exactly.

        • PoisonApple31

          Could end up being more or less – 4.7GB was an average from March 2014 wasn’t it?

          • Gary Hicks

            No idea honestly. 4.7gb was the only number I’ve heard.

      • pyro74boy .

        That’s when Verizon can slow down it’s top five percent of it’s unlimited data customers after they use 4.7GB,s of data. But their not even going to get the chance with me because I’m already out of contract and I’m leaving Verizon ASAP.

        • hkklife

          They ain’t gonna slow down the top 5% nor will they do it at 4.7GB. They’re already throttling everyone on unlimited, and have been doing so for quite some time, at least from my experience in talking to everyone I know. My speeds have tanked in the past 6 months.

          • pyro74boy .

            No they haven’t at least not to me. I even know people who use over 50GB,s of data per month who use Verizon that have not been slowed down and I don’t even use anywhere near that much per month. I think you’re confusing network traffic with being throttled because when I do a speed test at like 2 or 3am my speeds are still over 30MBPS and then do it during prime-time then it’s a much slower speed for the simple fact that many more people are using it at the same exact time. Verizon isn’t slowing down speeds at certain times of the day that’s not how being throttled works. And for living proof of this I can go to one part of town and get only 5MBPS and travel down the road 10 mins or less and get 50 or 60 MPBS. This has to do with how busy the tower that you’re using is and nothing to do with being throttled that’s not the same thing at all.

          • dsim91

            I can do a speed test sitting on my couch saying that I’m getting 50+ megs on the download but I still struggle to get my internet or any of my apps that use data to perform as good as they do on WiFi and I don’t even get good speeds on my WiFi

          • pyro74boy .

            This has to do more with your device because my Speed on my phone is way faster vs my home wifi and there is a noticeable difference in speed not just because speedtest is saying its faster but because it truly is

          • dsim91

            Has nothing to do with my phone its Verizon holding me back

          • pyro74boy .

            If Verizon was truly holding you back you would not be getting speedtests that are showing 50MBPS

          • dsim91

            ISP know when speed test apps are being used and stick them on the fast lane to artificially inflate their real world speeds that is why I’m showing the speeds that I do

          • pyro74boy .

            No they don’t. And for living proof of this I can be in one area of my city and get very low speeds and travel a few miles down the road and get an 80MBPS reading on speedtest. This has to do with how many people are using the network at the same exact time. This is why I laugh when I hear people brag about how one network is faster vs the other because the results are never going to be the same due to network traffic, Just because T-mobile is faster where I live does not mean that it’s going to be the same result everywhere. This is also why I don’t buy into any of these networks claiming that they are the fastest because the true fastest network truly depends on where you are at any given time during a day. These tests make for great ads on websites like Verizon and AT&T and hell even T-mobile for that matter but they are very miss leading.

          • dsim91

            Yeah I feel like my speeds have been on the slow side for all of 2014

  • Shane Redman

    soooooooooo…no more free talk and text? Just all data for $50/gb?

    • EC8CH

      careful. keep posting things like that and you’ll get a job offer from verizon.

      • Shane Redman

        Well, hey…if the pay and benefits exceed my current position….why not $55/gb :)

  • Jonathan Welch

    Wouldn’t this also require for Verizon to have every tower be an LTE tower? I was in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula for a few days, and the majority of the places I had coverage was 3G, which would make an LTE-only/VoLTE phone practically useless

    • normmcgarry

      I have Verizon, and I live only 20 minutes north of Ann Arbor. My phone goes in and out of LTE my entire way home. Solid in the city and on the expressway, but basically all the back roads are 3G. I’d be screwed with this phone.

      • George264

        Yeah, right now when they haven’t upgraded their entire footprint

        • Jordan

          Hasn’t Verizon already said they’ve completed their LTE rollout? I think the bigger problem is that CDMA manages to go through walls/trees/what not much better than LTE resulting in a longer range?

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Their LTE roll out, yes, but they have already said they are going to re-farm the frequencies that their CDMA uses and switch to LTE, That part can’t take place till they have VoLTE though.

      • John Kitchen

        Do you have a Samsung? Because on VZW, Samsung phones are horribly unreliable. I can drive from Ludington to Cadillac and hold LTE the whole way (that’s a lot more remote than Ann Arbor, btw) on my iPhone or my M8, but my wife’s Galaxy S5 goes in and out of 1X/3G/LTE the whole entire trip.

    • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

      Hence why they are waiting 1.5-2 years. A lot can happen coverage-wise in 2 years.

      • karpodiem

        they supposedly ‘completed’ their LTE rollout.

        • http://www.ytmnd.com MH

          There are lots of “more remote” areas that still rely on 3G for data….some dont even get that yet. Either way, They’ve got to figure out a legal way as to how to lock out devices that arent theirs first

        • John Kitchen

          Every Verizon tower right now is 4G, the 4G just doesn’t extend as far as CDMA at this point. LTE loses distance as more people jump on, so 3G areas won’t be completely dead until XLTE is fully deployed and the back end has plenty of bandwidth. I live in northern Michigan and they’re just now getting fiber out to the towers to prep for XLTE/more bandwidth in general. It takes time and you have to remember that fiber is about 25 grand a mile to put down.

    • Big EZ

      I’m not looking forward to LTE only phones. Verizon will definitely expand by then, but I doubt it’ll cover everywhere that CDMA does.

  • chris125

    And that will be when they finally get rid of all those left on unlimited data plans and jack prices up even more

  • Bryan Mills
    • http://www.twitter.com/cltnwd Colton

      Guilty of this mindset too often hahaha.
      But excited to see what comes in 2016!

  • http://www.twitter.com/macpro88 Jacob

    So another year and a half for an LTE phone with stellar battery life?

    All jokes aside, and all VZW bashing aside, glad they have the mindset of wanting to make sure this is rock solid before launch. We all know how we hate botched technology launches…

    • Bryan Mills

      No, they’re just taking a while to come up with a plan to screw consumers.

      • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

        While giving us unlimited data users even longer before the claimed boot with VoLTE only plans.

        • Bryan Mills

          No new phones for 2 years would suck unless you pony up full retail. No more loopholes.

          • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

            What do you think T-Mobile does? You have to pay full price for a phone as well.

          • Bryan Mills

            But it’s monthly. Verizon is all at one time.

          • PoisonApple31

            Plenty of third party retailers that’ll give you no interest financing on a credit card. Spread those payments out if you have to.

          • Bryan Mills

            lol i wouldn’t advise anybody to get a credit card just for a phone. So many people are too irresponsible and forget to pay it off. Boom 20%+ on $699

          • Gary Hicks

            Definitely not smart.

          • PoisonApple31

            Who said anything about getting a credit card just for a phone? You make way too many assumptions.

          • Gary Hicks

            Troll.

          • Bryan Mills

            You just said credit card? Regardless if it’s just for a phone or not, bad idea for any credit.

          • PoisonApple31

            You could also put other electronics on that credit card. lol

          • Gary Hicks

            He’s attempting to troll.

          • PoisonApple31

            Chill out simpleton.

          • Gary Hicks

            LOL simpleton. You’re as funny as you can be.

          • Gary Hicks

            Verizon Edge is monthly too.

          • Bryan Mills

            But not for Unlimited users.

          • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

            Taking a loan on a phone… I just don’t get it. Here’s a tip though, take $25/mo and put it in a jar, then in 2 years you can buy a phone!

          • Rashad

            Or $25 every two weeks and you get a new phone every year. That’s what I’m doing since I get paid every two weeks. Can’t have the same phone for two years. Technology changes too much, no matter the optimization.

          • pyro74boy .

            I’m still using my almost two year old phone still and it still works just as good as the first day I took it out of the box and turned it on for the first time. People still come up to me and think it’s a brand new phone. I would have agreed with you but that was before I used the phone I’m using now.

          • Boomski

            Verizon makes the difference of the phone through your 2 year contract. Do you really think they give you a $300 discount on a phone and you don’t pay for it? Basically if you don’t upgrade ever 2 years vz is making even more money off you.

          • Big EZ

            There are still loop holes. You can still use the extra line, it just has to be a smartphone line, not a feature phone line. Anyways, he is just saying that LTE-only phones is a prime opportunity to tell unlimited users that their plan doesn’t work on the new network.

        • VZW Lies

          They can not do full Volte phones, unless they plan on installing LTE towers along the entire highway system that is only 3G. Or they would lose that greatest coverage reputation. And right now they won’t even add a few LTE towers to every major market to just alleviate congestion, with towers only costing 250 K each.

    • Levi Wilcox

      Actually this is a plan that continues to allow them to charge for tethering and otherwise restrict network bandwidth that they won’t legally be able to do when they switch to LTE only.

    • ThomasMoneyhon

      But you are right. Battery tech can not move along fast enough in a year and a half. Then a few years from now people will be fuming when they eventually kill the 3G network and your batter lasts only a 1/2 the day.

  • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

    This means for those saying unlimited data users will lose it with VoLTE, we have two more years!

    • karpodiem

      uh, no it doesn’t. This article does not mention the unlimited plans at all. Any suggestion otherwise is pure conjecture. Is it possible or even likely? Sure. But I would have zero qualms with staying on the CDMA (voice) network with my unlimited plan until it’s shuttered, which VZ has said will not happen until 2020 at the earliest.

      • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

        I’m talking about people who “claim” that Verizon will kick UL data users off when VoLTE goes live, if that is even remotely true (which I don’t believe myself), we have 2 years.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Um, no. Verizon has said they will launch VoLTE later this year. This article has nothing to do with that. This article is saying they won’t have a VoLTE ONLY phone until 2016.

  • George264

    Oh man. Thinking about the service that comes with Verizon makes me want to go back from T-Mo with a Nexus. Verizon LTE during calls would be killer. Too bad i use on average 15GB a month. Can’t wait for T-Mo to re farm and deploy 700mhz

    • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

      You can already use LTE while on a call on Verizon with phones other than the iPhone.

      • George264

        Really? I had a 5S with my last few months of Verizon because I was so sick of the GN. Also Tmo paid my ETF so I got the phone for 300

        • blahblahblah

          They reimbursedyou for your ETF, but they didn’t pay it for you.

          • Bryan Mills

            Meaning they paid it he paid $0 for the ETF.

          • blahblahblah

            It’s still not the same as them paying it. People who can’t afford to pay the ETF are screwed and can’t leave. There is a difference.

          • George264

            Same difference, i paid 330 they gave me 330 back

          • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

            You forgot to mention that you had to buy the 5S in the first place on Verizon, which was what, $200? Did you just give that to T-Mobile in exchange for them paying your ETF?

          • George264

            I gave them my galaxy nexus so I got the 5S for 300(32GB) I sold it for a M8

          • Mike Aurin

            This was the dumbest thing I read today and I’ve been up since 2am…

          • blahblahblah

            Good for you. My point is that they say they pay it for you. People that don’t have the money to pay their ETF are screwed. They don’t pay it for you, it’s reimbursedif you pay it. There is a difference.

        • mcdonsco

          The iphone was the problem…on android simultaneous voice and data woeks fine. its whats kept me from using an iphone on verizon.

  • http://www.plus.google.com/+TommyNunno yodatom10

    yeah that gives them a year to fix the lack of LTE in my basement :D

  • iOSh8er

    oohhhh, a Nexus on Verizon in 2 years?

    • Cael

      You mean 2 1/2. Verizon has to certify it!

    • jimt

      They will figure a way to block a phone with the Nexus name.
      They are Verizon after all.