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Spec Comparison: iPhone 5s/5c vs. Galaxy Note 3 vs. Moto X vs. Galaxy S4 vs. More

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The Apple announcements are in, and we have a new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c to swoosh around our brains like Drano. I think you can probably imagine how we feel about each, especially if you joined us during our live blog, so this is the technical comparison. We’ve got the specs of each pulled directly from Apple’s site, compared to the leading Android devices of the moment. A few things were missing, like RAM and battery capacity, but we’ll likely see those before long and will try to update.

Until then, jump below to take it all in. 

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  • john0214

    Why does apple hate NFC

    • Armus

      Because they haven’t figured out how to invent it and sue others over it, yet.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Because it hasn’t yet been 3 years since an Android phone had NFC so it must not exist yet.

    • LionStone

      Too open, haven’t figured how to proprietize it yet?

    • Texas117

      They don’t hate it, they just invented a way to do the same thing with a combination of existing wifi and Bluetooth technologies, and they are also able to do it over greater range of several feet rather than a centimeter between Galaxy S3+ devices. It therefore can be more versatile, not more intimate of a process than anyone prefers, and possibly backwards compatible with older devices or even multiple types of devices that support both wifi and BT. Welcome to Airdrop, Apple’s alternative to NFC.

  • Armus

    So how far had Apple’s stock fallen?

  • Armus

    I just find it funny that the above specs list finger print scanner as a comparison point – as if that feature matters

    • http://www.vgchartz.com SuperChunk

      Of all the items listed today… that is the only one that is remotely interesting and new. If done well, its a nearly perfect pw.

  • joejoe5709

    Okay… I know the “spec war” is “over”, but Apple should have knocked this out of the park. They REALLY needed a solid bump. And within the Apple ecosystem it really wouldn’t have taken much of a bump to make a lot of people happy. Surely they’ve been watching the smartphone market. Surely they’ve done the research and performed countless trials with countless focus groups. And this is what they come up with? I didn’t expect anything near Android flagship specs because Apple does fine with half the specs and I definitely did not expect an increase in screen size. I get it Apple, I really do. But there’s really not a lot here to convince people to move from an iPhone5. Even those with a 4S might balk a little. I mean it’s so bad that they’ve resorted to comparing the phone to the original iPhone to make it sound better. Uuuuhhhhh… yeah of course it’s 56 times better than a phone from 2007. Even their 5C which is half the price isn’t a whole heck of a lot slower. It’s like they completely gave up! Like I said… I know specs aren’t the whole story but we’re getting dangerously close to low-range Android territory here. Yeah… you know those phones that they give away for free and hardly make page three of the tech news? Yeah it’s that bad.

    Listen, I’m not here to lead the battle against Apple. And I’m not even necessarily making fun of them. I’m actually legitimately saddened by this. Our biggest competitor is starting to fall SO far behind that I’m not sure they’ll be able to catch up. Within the next 12 months, the rest of the market will move so far beyond the iPhone’s capabilities it will be a monumental jump for Apple to stay in the game. I guess what I’m saying is that the stagnation of the smartphone market has a lot to do with Apple’s inability to stay current.

    If I were still an Apple fan (I once was), this is probably the year I’d jump ship. They have lost the last little bit of respect I still had for them.

    • ssl48

      This statement is too long, no one will read it….

      • NexusMan

        I wasn’t going to read the whole thing, but after seeing your comment, I was inspired to do just that.

      • joejoe5709

        Okay. Go ahead and condense it down for me in an intelligent fashion without losing any of the message.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      But… But… all the pretty new colors!

      • Joshua Hoffman

        I know right ;P So revolutionary ;P

    • NexusMan

      They have a solid bump: Fingerprint scanning! (sarcasm intended)

      • VelvetLlama

        It’s new, revolutionary, wonderful!!!

        …and something that other devices have had for years.

  • itsacardigan

    Note 3 or LG G2….Go!

    • Armus

      No doubt, N3 is a beast

      • joejoe5709

        N3? Sounds like a Nexus3 and that’s weird.

        • Armus

          Considering that there’s never been a Nexus 3, and there is a Note3, I’d disagree. As a Note2 owner I often abbreviate as such. N2 or N3. Get use to it.

          • Smartss

            NT3?

  • Sooks77

    The interesting thing with X64 is it really doesn’t help with much before a specific point (quad core processor and over 4GB of RAM) Which we can safely assume the iPhone 5S doesn’t have. I think it’s all a marketing ploy, and what they really meant is 64x faster then the origional apple computer….

    • VelvetLlama

      That’s what I thought was interesting. I like that they’re pushing it now, even though it’s basically pointless. It will force other OEMs to start thinking about moving to 64 bit.

  • thedonxr

    Apples stock dropped 2.28% since the unveiling…

  • Tim242

    CNN is about to have a segment called “Bad Apple.”. Go watch!

  • Brandon Golway

    So pretty much the only difference between the iPhone 5S and the 5C are a different processor and it saves you $100. I wonder how they’re going to market it to the Apple masses who generally don’t know a damn thing about technology.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      The pretty colors!!!

      • Brandon Golway

        It’s funny because that’s the ONLY difference between the 5 and the 5c, besides the fact that it’s heavier. Everything else is exactly the same! They’re essentially lying to you outright by saying that it’s a brand new device when all the did was change the color and the name. Stuff like this is why I hate Apple.

    • NexusMan

      And don’t forget the iPhone 5c comes in multiple color choices and “iPhone 5c is beautifully, unapologetically plastic.”

  • Tim242

    S4 vs iPhone. This picture is worth a thousand words.

    • Will Frame

      I’d say it’s worth about an inch.

      • Stephen

        That’s what she said

    • Fools

      Yeah, one of them can actually be used with one hand

      • Tim242

        I have small hands, and have no issue with the S4 one-handed use when necessary. If you have issues, you have two hands. Function over form, my friend. I see people with those tiny iPhones held right up to their face.

        • Fools

          Thankfully, we now have choice in the form of an un-nerfed Motorola Razr Mini. Finally a small device that’s on par with its bigger counterparts.

  • trollergirl

    my hairdryer got 5 leds, so it’s better then the iphone.

    • joejoe5709

      But how many GeeBee’s?? How much internet can it get?

  • edmicman

    Even as an Android user, I’m intrigued by the 64-bit CPU but definitely the camera. Anecdotally the iPhone camera quality seems to be heads and shoulders above everything else out there. It would be nice if someone on the Android side (Moto, I’m looking at you…) would come out with a camera experience that blows everything else away instead of cranking out a new 6″ screen or something.

    • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

      Yup.

    • joejoe5709

      Ugh. True. I despise my camera. Then again it is a GNex.

      • Shane Redman

        I have a GNex and surprisingly every friend that has an iPhone says it takes clearer pictures than theirs in our outings….baffles my mind, but it’s in the eye of the owner. It really did. Their pictures were cloudy and fuzzy while mine came out clearer.

        • joejoe5709

          You know… I should retract that. Outside, the pics are actually pretty awesome. Vibrant and clear. But go inside or under low light, my camera sucks pretty bad.

          • Shane Redman

            My experience is different. Most of the time, we’re out and about in the DC nightlife. Controlled, on-the-fly photography was definitely meh…but real world use, apparently was the best thing since well….the iph..I mean OG Droid lol

    • https://plus.google.com/113924127356889315682?tab=ch#113924127356889315682/posts//p/pub Chris Jeske

      My Note2 takes amazing pictures. Everybody comments on them whether it’s the phone screen in my hand or G+ or fb. My “work phone” SG2 takes nice shots too, especially in dim light. I’ve never liked the grainy iPhone look.

    • NexusMan

      Heads and shoulders above Nokia? And Galaxy S IV?

    • VelvetLlama

      Definitely nice cameras. However, for the time being, the 64 bit architecture really isn’t likely to offer any noticeable benefits. The phone hardware still hasn’t hit the bottlenecks which spurred the jump to 64 bit chips in PCs. After that, you still have to have software rewritten to take advantage of the 64 bit architecture. Much of the software you use on your PC or laptop is probably still 32 bit software, even though 64 bit chips have become standard. Still, for the first time in a long time, Apple can claim to be leading the way in pushing a new technology. And I mean legitimately claiming- not calling 5 year old tech “revolutionary.”

    • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

      HTC used to be really good with their cameras (I had the Thunderbolt and the Rezound, both of which gave me professional looking photos which I even to this day use as my desktop background on my MBP). I haven’t gotten the change to play with their new in house tech but I would bet that it doesn’t disappoint!

    • Droidzilla

      iPhone have, until this 5S, gotten their cameras from Sony. So, their cameras were as good as what was on every Sony Android phone. Decent shooters, but by no means great. If you want to see the king of phone cameras, look to the Nokia stuff with Zeiss lenses and Xenon flashes. Truly great little innovations for phone cameras. Pity they’re strapped to WP.

  • hfoster52

    Motorola had a finger print scanner VIA the Atrix….

    • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

      a phone nobody owned. who cares.

      • VelvetLlama

        People should care since Apple is pushing the finger print scanner as a never before seen groundbreaking technology and a major reason to buy their product.

        • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

          well it is a major reason to buy their product. did motorola incorporate it in a clever way? useful way? not really. this will be your password for everything, eventually. it is groundbreaking.

          • Kamesen

            your arguments are usually pretty terrible. this one was no exception :( you ever use your browser on your phone and a little button pops up that says “use your google sign-in”? and you click accept and it logs in without having to type the password? or maybe an app that uses google services and you click “allow” and dont have to put in your credentials? this is a shiny, fancy gimmick. far, far, FAR from groundbreaking. unless you use this phone as an enterprise solution this is something else for them to make a profit against the regular consumer. similar to “buy 2 get 1 free”: look at this added feature! it cost us $5 to implement, we’ll add $50 to the MSRP. wake-up already.

          • VelvetLlama

            No it isn’t groundbreaking, at least it isn’t now. I’ve been using a tiny little fingerprint scanner on my laptop for 4 years now and the technology has been common in consumer devices longer than that.

            Is apple incorporating it in a clever way? No- it’s being used as a replacement for passwords- exactly the same way the Motorola Atrix used it. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s the most logical use for a fingerprint scanner and if you can incorporate one without increasing the cost of the end product, then by all means throw it in. Meanwhile, if I want gimmicky methods of unlocking my phone, I can just look at it and have it unlocked with facial recognition.

            Don’t get me wrong, this is a neat little feature and I hope other OEMs start using it now that it’s cheap enough to implement- but it is anything but groundbreaking.

    • http://www.vgchartz.com SuperChunk

      However the implementation kinda sucked. That’s why when I talk about this one, it clarify that with IF it works well… it’ll be a great security feature.

  • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

    The 5c is going to fly off the shelves.

    • joejoe5709

      Agreed. Half the price. No one cares that it’s a bit thicker and made of plastic if it’s really only missing a few features the 5S has. Again, half the price.

      • NexusMan

        Did the 4 fly off the shelves after the 5’s release? Because they did the exact same thing then, and dropped the price to $99. This is nothing new…they just put a plastic back on it this time, which makes it worse for consumers, because your giving them last years model with a cheaper build quality for the exact same price you gave them the iPhone 4, when it was last years model.

      • VelvetLlama

        I think it’s great and the lower price finally matches the performance you get.

  • Chippah

    http://images.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/galaxy-note-3-accessories-hands-on-2.jpg

    NOTE 3 Wireless charging, official, plus im sure we will see cheaper QI setup too.

  • OneForTheGoodDays

    Overheard at the iPhone event: “when are we going to be able to charge our iPhones through the cloud?!”

  • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

    Getting a 5s and a Note 3. Best of both worlds.

    • Godzilla

      Stupidest thing I’ve heard today.

      • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

        Sorry Godzilla. I want the most powerful phone (5s) as well as a phablet with wacom digitizer built in.

  • joejoe5709

    Weird how the 5C actually weighs significantly more than the 5S. I mean, it weighs more than the GS4 and that’s a much larger phone and both are made of plastic.

    • Josh Fischer

      I believe it was said the battery in the 5C is larger than the 5S. Probably due to the older cpu being less efficient. Also, the focus on being thin with the 5S would reduce some additional weight as well.

      • joejoe5709

        Ah. Great points.

  • yummy

    So when are you giving
    one of these bad boys away?

  • Jeremy Wray

    I like how the bar from the site covers up part of the picture. first time this site has failed me

    • GentlemanScholar

      Maximize your internet browser.

  • imaletufinish

    I can’t knock Apple’s marketing machine though…

    • joejoe5709

      Their marketing is honestly mostly Verizon employees and word of mouth. Their commercials are lousy and anyone with half a techy brain cell can see through the B.S.

      • imaletufinish

        I agree, but you can’t ignore the Billion dollars Apple spent last year on ads.

        • T4rd

          Holy balls Samsung! 4+ billion in marketing is insane!

          • samari711

            they do have the widest array of products,not all of that is on phones.

        • joejoe5709

          Hmmmm… I’d say Samsung is the one we can’t ignore. Then again it’s all about the quality of the marketing because I’m sure as hell not going to buy a Dell anytime soon. Microsoft spent a ton of money and still failed mainly due to sub-par products. Apple will soon suffer the same fate.

  • Chippah

    Hey Silly pants, NOTE 3 DOES HAVE WIRELESS CHARGING – now lose dat dash sucka!

  • Davros

    Although I don’t like apple I was seriously hoping it would get NFC to help bring it to more markets.

    • joejoe5709

      Ditto.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      That should be coming next year. They are usually 2-3 years behind Android.

      • joejoe5709

        :-O That moment you realize the Nexus S was less than three years ago. Feels like forever…

  • Wilson Gomez

    You forgot the USB 3.0 on the Note 3

  • Tyler Casilio

    Do the other size comparison. Yeah, you know what I’m talking about. They lose every time

  • Bigwavedave25

    So… no mention of RAM yet. I think the 5s assumption of 2Gb would stick pretty well, 1Gb for the 5c

    • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

      doesn’t really make that big of a difference in ios. i’m using an ipad mini and it feels snappier than most android phones and it has 512mb

      • Bigwavedave25

        yeah, kings of software optimization at the moment…

        However my wife’s i4 is struggling, can’t update stuff and her phone is laggy as hell. She definitely needs as much help in the usable ram department as she can get. Will be no different when she upgrades, same use patterns will continue.

    • joejoe5709

      I haven’t heard otherwise so I’ll assume 1GB for the 5S as well. If it were 2GB they’d make a really big deal about it.

      • Bigwavedave25

        Ah, good point. One more thing for them to claim ;)

  • joseph barrientos

    specs should only matter to a degree, now, every high end phone is just about the same, its not about what you have but how you use it, i think iphone 5s is a solid device, but its not gonna deter me from being an android user.

  • hokieputter

    next up: Moto X price drop!! just wish they’d drop the off contract pricing. wishful thinking i guess..

  • proparham

    where is XPERIA Z1?

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    And out of all of these 2013 smartphones…

  • cozybop

    I find it hilarious that people are complaining about a phone that doesn’t have the features they want when they will never buy the thing in the first place.

    • googlyeyedfrog

      i think the complaint about lack of NFC is legitimate because NFC services may not be fully implemented until Apple jumps aboard. So the lack of it on this phone may mean that we need to wait another year before services like Google Wallet become more prevalent

  • Liderc

    The gold version looks like someone pissed on the white one.

    • joejoe5709

      iPhone 5S “Yellow Snow Edition”

    • Brandon Golway

      Its for those that like to take golden showers.

      • OreoMan

        Isn’t that the R. Kelly edition?

  • cozybop

    Yawn. I stopped caring about specs on phones, cause they all practically do the same things. Stopped caring about what Apple releases. Stopped caring about what Android releases. Just use your phones and stop fighting each other over them. Stop letting your smartphone define who you are, because if you are using it to define who you are a person, then you really need to reevaluate yourself as one.

    • guest

      scrub

    • jnt

      while I agree with you 150%, this IS a phone/tech enthusiast blog… so some of that discussion is inevitable, and encouraged! :)

    • Gr8Ray

      If you stopped caring, then why are you reading an Android tech blog?

      • cozybop

        If you’re not buying an iPhone, why complain about it? Why is it even on this blog in the first place.

    • ToddAwesome

      Stop telling me what to do, that’s very UN-Libertarian of you.

    • Tim242

      Did you forget about where you are?

      • Ej McCarty

        Screenception haha

  • Droid 1967

    maybe ron is watching apples stock drop after an announcement of new products.
    almost down 3% now =$14.16 so far. This does not show a lot of faith on this announcement from people who have a financial stake in apple. had to change the dollar amount 3 times while typing this as it just keeps going down. Maybe the fed can pump 83 billion dollars into this to prop up these numbers to make people think its all good.

    • col3rsc

      Apple stock always goes down after an announcement.

      • Droid 1967

        really wonder why. I have watched others Samsung Microsoft for instance and see their stocks go up with announcements of new products. Must just be the people that deal in apple stock. it was jut kinda a joke though :)

  • http://randomphantasmagoria.com/ Shawn

    BREAKING: Apple has hired Koush full time, promising to give him full access to even the most bleeding edge APIs so he can make cool apps.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Well, iPhones generally have what Android has 2-3 years after Android, so I could maybe see this happening. /s

    • joejoe5709

      Ha. If Koush went to Apple, I actually might consider buying an Apple. Koush is the flippin’ man.

      • http://randomphantasmagoria.com/ Shawn

        I agree with you when he isn’t being a crybaby and a prima donna.

  • zepfloyd

    The Note 3 also supports LTE-Advanced.

  • artsr2002

    My original Inc has dual LED and they’re bright as hell. LOL.

  • David

    I can’t even believe that I am wasting my life reading about the 5S and 5C…

  • Drummer62

    I wish to see NO more comments or posts about an Apple product!! This is an ANDROID site, wtf!! lmao

  • Mayoo

    Apple’s conference …

  • Joey Funk

    i like how they claimed dual LED flash is “ahead of its time on a smartphone.” bitch, my motorola photon had dual LEDs on it two years ago!

    • DingowBell

      like motorola atrix, 2leds + fingerprint

    • Rob Delaney

      It had the same two LED colors. This has a soft flash like a professional flash attachment does as well as the same bright flash LED.

      • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

        Please don’t compare the iPhone flash to a professional flash.

        • Rob Delaney

          I said like. As in a car is like a truck. Using like I denoted similarities but left open the arguments of how they are different. Like in this case is a professional attachment and lighting system has a cool white and a warm amber. But the differences are quality and size. So a car is like a truck in there is a steering wheel and wheels, but the truck has a better engine and more power.

    • Fattie McDoogles

      They clearly are in denial about Windows Phone and the Lumia 1020.

    • tomn1ce

      My OG Droid had dual LED lights back in 2009

      • OreoMan

        ^ This!!!

      • joseph barrientos

        theyre different than having just 2 flashes -_-

    • Nik

      You’re right! I have the Photon too and it has dual LED

    • thedonxr

      It goes back further than that :-)

      • OreoMan

        And the OG Droid had what…….Gold!

        • OreoMan

          ’80’s gold really.

      • Josh Fischer

        Man, the OG Droid is a sharp looking phone… I’d like to see a throwback version made, only with updated internal hardware and onscreen buttons. Make it a 4.5-4.7″ screen. That was a great phone and this makes me want to pull my old one out and find a use for it again!

        • tomn1ce

          Contact Motorola and see if they can scrap what’s floating around as the Droid 5 and see if they can make it. I just hope that the specs of the Droid 5 are not what has been showing up….

      • tomn1ce

        I had that lil trooper myself…that lil trooper was what got me into the Android world not to mention the commercials that Motorola and vzw had back then picking on the poor iphone…Droid Does :-)

  • Hunter

    While the spec wars I agree are just about over, the fact that this phone has no NFC, no wireless charging, a 4 inch screen and resolution below 720p makes this a subpar smartphone.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      That’s just nitpicking… You have to take into account what sells… The Average smartphone buyer doesn’t care about what isn’t being sold to them. If it’s not being marketed to them they don’t know they are missing it.

      That’s why the first question non tech folks ask is “What’s different from the last one”. If NFC isn’t there, they don’t know. Same goes for screen res and wireless charging. If it isn’t being marketed to them they don’t know it’s missing.

      • Liderc

        nitpicking? lol

      • Butters619

        I’m sorry, but Apple had an amazing opportunity here to revolutionize (TM) NFC payments with the finger print scanner. Instead, it’s just a fancy unlock button.

        How awesome would it be to walk up to an NFC pad, just hold your finger to the scanner, and pay? No unlock. No prep. Quick, easy, painless.

        • mrjayviper

          The only nfc payment will go forward is if Apple uses it. And somehow android will piggyback on it. I think Apple knows this that’s why they haven’t done much in this space

          • Kamesen

            Apple is being a huge fackwors by holding back on putting NFC in their phones. They’re just doing it on purpose at this point to keep from opening a market Android will once again dominate.

          • mrjayviper

            but it’s not apple’s fault it’s not taking off? If it’s really needed/wanted, it would take off on its own with the 1+billion android activations (not sure if all those has nfc)

          • Kamesen

            i agree with your initial statement that it would become mainstream if apple adopted it, which may just be a matter of time at this point. its a natural succession to the fingerprint scanner, they just need to figure out how to get their cut from credit transactions. i think apple eventually adopting it WILL have been because of android phones using it by large. do you see what i mean? im a little confused by your use of double-negative in your reply, i hope i addressed your point.

      • Addison

        That just means they are lazy/ignorant consumers.

        • Dorian Brooks

          That just means they are iSheep.
          Shortened that for ya.

    • cozybop

      Then why are you complaining? Nobody is making you buy one with a gun pointed at your mom.

      • Jason E Perkins

        He’s not complaining. He’s just telling us what he thinks.

      • RaptorOO7

        There are sites that you can visit to get help you know.

    • carlisimo

      I wish I could get an Android phone with similar specs and a 4″ screen.

      • Fattie McDoogles

        …Said everyone 3 years ago.

        • mrjayviper

          Can’t be everyone. He just said it an hour ago

          • Timothy McGovern

            He also said it three years ago. I remember

            Edit: She

            Edit: He?

          • littlebillygot3

            I have to agree, I personally have had the note 2 for about a year, and while it is arguably the best phablet out, it is extremely hard to hold and text with just one hand. I think the s3 had the right idea: big screen, compact and round shaped design.

          • RaptorOO7

            Do you have small hands? I can work it with one hand, dial, reach the top of the screen, no issues here. Waiting on my GN3 on 10/10/13

        • RaptorOO7

          Oh Snap.

      • Jeremy Gross

        maybe 4.5ish inch

      • ImmaDroid

        Well then, in that case. I’ll sell you my old Droid Charge for $549.00, No contract!! I’ll even include the extra .3″ of display for free

        • Franklin Ramsey

          I’ll sell you my old Droid Charge for $549.00, throw in the .3″ of display for free, a case, and throw in an extended capacity battery! lol It’s an Android phone, hence, competition.

          • ImmaDroid

            Ok then, I’ll throw in a case, used screen protector. and I’m ripping out the fingerprint scanner on my laptop, and crazy gluing it to the Charge home button.. And What!! Low price guarantee of $548.88

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Ok, I’ll throw in a used screen protector, two new onces, and that crazy cat lady that lives in the cardboard box by my work, and cut the price to $545 even. At that price, I’m practically giving it away.

      • kixofmyg0t

        You mean….the Motorola Atrix? It even has a fingerprint reader!

        Side note, Apple bought the supplier that Moto used for that fingerprint scanner.

      • HarleyGuy72

        Rockin’ an OG Strat!!! That’s pretty close :-P Plus, as an added bonus, it has a slide out QWERTY!!!!

      • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

        Maybe try a Droid Mini with its touchless controls and active notifications, you might actually use those features whereas finger unlock will meet the same fate face unlock did.

      • RaptorOO7

        Oh no he didn’t.

    • trophynuts

      are you serious? out of the mass of cell phone users how many even know or care about those features that you listed? Yeah of course techies do but your average users which is the majority couldn’t care less.

      • epps720

        Out of the mass of cell phone users how many are on this site… oh yeah techies

        • Brandon Golway

          The thing is that most iPhones aren’t marketed to techies.

      • Brandon Golway

        You are correct, sir. We’re maybe a quarter of the total smartphone buying population. If you ask the average smartphone user (be it Android or iOS users) about the tech specs of their device they would probably have no idea. I honestly think a lot of people just get a smartphone just to say that they have one. I know at least a few people that have smartphones and only do feature-phone type things on it (check facebook, listen to music, use the camera). I remember talking to one guy that had just got the iPhone 4S and I was ranting about how awesome my Android phone was at the time and he was like “I don’t need to do all that, I just need a phone!” my head exploded and I had to ask why he got a 4S then when he doesn’t do anything with it, his response was “I browse the web occasionally and watch youtube videos so I wanted to be able to do that.”

        • Steve Byers

          That’s pretty funny, I could do all that with my LG Dare 8 years ago and I didn’t have to pay for a data plan..

        • Brandon Golway

          I remember another one of my friends whom I don’t see that often had gotten either the original SGS or the SGS2 and she was like “Look I got a big girl phone!” (she was drunk and she was 25 at the time lol). She handed it to me and she had absolutely nothing on the phone, no apps or anything. Homescreen only had the default icons on it. So I asked her if she had just gotten it within the past few days and her response made we want to facepalm, she said that she had it for 2 months and couldn’t figure out how to remove the default homescreen apps or add new ones.

      • Josh Fischer

        They don’t care because they are unaware. I’ve amazed many non techies with paying with Google Wallet. Where I live, nearly all of the gas stations, McDonalds, and several stores accept NFC payments via Google Wallet. I consistently get people asking me about my Nexus 4 (Previously my GNex) and wanting to know how they can do it on their phone.

        Low resolution, isn’t something most care about (unless they are touting their retina screen) but a larger screen also makes a bigger impact. At a recent gathering everyone was trying to see some video a friend was showing on youtube on their iPhone. Another buddy whipped out his Note and everyone loved the size. Many said they couldn’t wait to get a phone with a larger screen than their current phones (both iphones and androids). Large screens are becoming a big selling point these days and higher resolution makes them look better.

        Wireless charging is awesome, but I will agree that it is less useful than the other features. The only thing I would like to see, is more car docks with wireless charging. Rather than fumbling with charging cords ever time I get in and out of the car.

        So yes, many cell users don’t know or care about these features, but it is more due to apathy then it is for the lack of usefullness. Once exposed to them, most non techies can instantly enjoy the benefits they receive. Then again, if it’s not “innovated” by Apple, many don’t want to admit the features are something we can use.

        • FAL_Fan

          Well written sir!

        • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

          Why can’t I up-vote this more than once!

          • RaptorOO7

            Log out and up vote as a guest :)

    • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

      Can you imagine how excited iPhone users would be if they could just put their phone on a pillow to charge it? It would be revolutionary!

      • EdubE24

        No we mostly just need to put it on a charger before we go to bed. Battery life is amazing when Touchwiz and Sense aren’t killing it!

        • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

          There are so many complains about how the battery in the iPhone sucks. Compare that to the Note 2, G2, or MAXX.

          • EdubE24

            I’ve had the Note 2 and will admit the battery life is awesome. But I put it on the charger at the end of the evening just like my iP5!

          • RaptorOO7

            Swappable batteries will never go out of style with Samsung and Apple will NEVER let you swap a battery on ANY apple product EVER AGAIN. You can’t even swap that lame laptop battery like my HP Notebook can.

        • RaptorOO7

          Really, I had an iPhone 4, 4S, 5 (twice) and owned numerous Androids during the same period. Guess what . . . iPhone FAILED time and again on battery life. Claim what you want, it just plain SUCKED!

          • EdubE24

            Cool story bro…I love fiction!

        • Jkdem85

          Why do people want to charge their phones on a mat? I read my phone constantly while it’s plugged in, I couldn’t imagine not doing that.

          • Quite recently they have released an actual wireless charger which can charge upto 5hrs worth of battery life and doesnt’s need to be in contact with the phone. Should be coming to stores sometime soon.

      • CapnShiner

        I bet they would call it AirCharge or something like that and claim that they invented it. They would market it just like they marketed dual-mic noise cancellation on the iPhone 5. The charging surface would also, somehow, only work with Apple devices.

    • NexusPhan69

      I can’t believe the iPhone 5C costs $549 and the iPhone 5S costs $649 and they still don’t have any of these features.

    • Scott

      Even with Google Wallet, I hardly use NFC. Taking it away would not make my life any different. Cool feature, but over rated in my opinion.

      • Weber

        I ONLY use it to show people that haven’t heard of it how it works. Other than that, *shrugs*

    • Alec

      The Atrix called, it wants it’s fingerprint scanner back.

      • RaptorOO7

        But apple innovated the fingerprint scanner, by buying up another company.

      • http://fandroidspin.com/ Larinx

        The what? Oh the Atrix? LOL, that POS…

    • RaptorOO7

      But, but, but it’s INNOVATIVE, See we “innovated” plastic in the new phone. We are truly geniuses. /S

    • jon

      because ~ 144 x 80 less than 720p is such a big deal -__-

  • RoboCop

    I wonder how many iphone users did a Siri Bing search to learn what 64 bit meant

    • http://randomphantasmagoria.com/ Shawn

      Give this man a cookie. He wins.

      • Ashish Raj

        Nope.. he deserves a Kit Kat!

        • RaptorOO7

          Oh, Break me off a piece of that Kit Kat Bar.

      • hkklife

        No, it’s Robocop….give the man a hand!

        • average___

          Dude I love the comment you just made but the remake you’re going to be in blows.

        • kevin

          I’d buy that for a dollar!

    • capecodcarl

      64-bit is more than 32-bit so the iPhone 5S is more advanced and thus faster.

      • panicswhenubered

        Let me introduce capecodcarl, an iPhone user. lol

        • capecodcarl

          Naw, the screen is too small on it. :-)

        • Ben Edwards

          I do believe he was being sarcastic :)

      • Marsg

        64 bit with a 1GB RAM bottleneck. Yea im sure that’s just going to work itself out lol

        • kmarcy89

          ram not confirmed

          • Marsg

            It hasn’t ? several sites have confirmed it to have 1GB

          • kmarcy89

            That’s impressive. They did a tear down in Cupertino or were allowed to benchmark at apple headquarters. That’s a first.

          • Marsg

            they might have just asked one of the employees, its not a top secret prjoect anymore (like it ever was in the first place), the device is going on sale next week. lol

          • kmarcy89

            The only confirmation is to benchmark or tear down. That speculation about said apple employee is ridiculous. It probably is 1-2 gb but to this point unconfirmed.

          • Marsg

            if it had 2GB of RAM don’t you think they would have mentioned it, its a huge upgrade, the fact that they dint can only assume its 1GB, but we will see soon enough.

          • kmarcy89

            They’ve never mentioned ram at an iphone event. In fact apple never mentions ram at all. When they went from 512kb to 1gb it wasn’t mentioned

          • Maxim∑

            When apple went to 1GB of RAm they never announced it but let’s wait for anandtechs review

          • RaptorOO7

            They never speak of RAM, Processor Speed, just the name of the processor which means jack but ifone fans will eat it up like Soylent Green. After all how do you think they go so many phones out the door on time with quadruple overtime and forced labor practices.

          • Aron Tripp

            If it was anything greater than 1GB, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BLASTED ALL OVER THE SCREEN AT THE EVENT!

      • CHRIS42060

        This reminds me of when the iPhone 4 (also changing the naming after the 3G) was released and everyone insisted since the name contained a 4 is was a 4G capable phone.

        • Ollie_Williams

          the iphone has wifis…I will never forget that video. lol

          • RaptorOO7

            I can’t wait for the next video that spoofs apple. Who makes those crazy azz funny ones?

          • New_Guy

            Go to YouTube and search “introducing the new iPhone.” It’s pretty fantastic :).

          • charles rogers

            Sadly the iphone was probably better than the EVO

        • RaptorOO7

          iFone fans are such bright ones aren’t they.

        • M3D1T8R

          Well yeah, because it has the number “4” that is the same number “4” as used in “4G” so it must be the same thing, right? Etc…

      • spy2jgc

        The iphone is not faster because, as you call it, it’s more “advanced”… you have to have software and apps capable of running in 64 bit mode… which nearly all (any?) don’t…so they default to running in 32 bit mode. It’s a GREAT chip to have… in a year or 2 (after the phone is already replaced with another) and apple has finally started allowing 64 bit programming.

    • Will Frame

      Drop it!

    • Rob Delaney

      Because every Android user knows exactly what that is too? It’s funny, my grandmother has a Gnex on verizon, do you think she knows it just because she owns an Android device? Don’t generalize iPhone users based on a tool the use to communicate with the world. I am sure there are Android users who can’t tie their shoes.

      • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

        Its just funny when you see all the Apple nerds drooling over the live feed on Engadget and then in the middle of class I get 3 text messages in a row asking what 64 bit architecture means..oh and then when some Apple fanboy in class just sits there in class staring at his laptop because he thinks its so revolutionary only to proceed to ask me what it actually means.. Yes, that actually happened today.

        • Jarred Sutherland

          If he has a Macbook Air you should thank him because it is pretty revolutionary. Super thin, super fast, amazing battery as well. Someone has to push the envelope with OEMs. Heck, I seriously doubt we will see PCI-e based SSDs in Windows notebooks for quite some time still.

          For as much as Apple as bashed, many people skip over the positive aspects they bring to the table. Higher resolution displays meant “1080p” (for the most part) on laptops before Apple pushed the “Retina” display on their Pro lines.

          Say what you will, but Windows OEMs are quite happy to sit you there and sell you the same terrible laptop for years and years down the road.

          • RaptorOO7

            Seriously thank them for a thin laptop build off slave wage labor force. Next we will be thanking dictators in developing countries.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            Raptor try harder next time. You’re posting this on an electronic device with internals built by the same company Apple uses (foxconn) or some other “slave wage labor force”. Get off your high horse.

          • Chad

            Have to agree with you there, Jarred!

          • Jarred Sutherland

            I had to call that one out .. the irony was too much.

          • Rob Delaney

            You think Samsung, Sony, Dell, Acer, ASUS, and other don’t use labor wage laws in their benefit? Every one of those companies are incorporated in Ireland too you know. And do you know why? The microscope is only so big, some companies escape it for a time being while others are its focus. Do you not remember Packard Bell in the 80’s? Microsoft in the 90’s?

          • imageWIS

            And WHERE do you think every other companies products are made?!? In the same factories that make Apple’s products!!!

          • Chad

            And Jobs invented the wheel and then the PC. Sorry, forgot.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            You guys sure are just angry and bitter. Funny because you are exactly what you seem to hate from the other camp. Why people need to have this battle is beyond me. I’ve used Windows, Mac, Linux … Android, iOS, Blackberry, Windows Phone and found each of them has their ups and downs. Heck, I am typing this out on a Windows based laptop and I have a Windows 8 box next to me right now, I don’t own a single Apple product at the moment but I still cannot understand the hate against a product or company like you guys express. It’s really laughable.

          • CapnShiner

            So there’s no hate towards Android coming from the iOS fanboys? So there are no angry or bitter iOS fanboys? Both sides have their faults. It’s the nature of any polarizing topic. For me, personally, it’s not so much Apple’s products I dislike but Apple itself. It’s their culture, their business practices, and their attitude. I think they are the most overrated company in the world today. I think hatred towards Apple, though not always justified, is more often justified than hatred towards Android.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            You need to re-read what I wrote.

          • CapnShiner

            No I don’t. You’re acknowledging that iOS fanboys exist but you’re directing your comments at Android fans. Your tone is subjective.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            My tone is to all sides with the statement I made (ahem, the RE-READ part) where I said “Funny because you are exactly what you seem to hate from the other camp” which means …. you are what you claim to hate about the other side. So basically, X says Y spews hate while X is doing the same thing.

          • michael arazan

            People are laughing and making fun of apple for calling a polished turd a diamond. Apple is claiming false information and misleading customers and certain aspects of their device, instead of calling it what it really is which is just a status symbol, I see no hate in making fun of a company. And there is nothing to be bitter about. I think your view is askew.

          • Emilio Figueroa

            I’d say there’s certainly more hate towards apple. Secondarily, there is hate towards Samsung. Other than that, I don’t really think anyone cares that much.

          • LiterofCola

            Mad? Tell us about it. :(

          • Brandon Golway

            I don’t hate the products, I hate the company itself. They DO make good products. They just charge you an arm and a leg for the same thing that everyone else has but they lie that they’re the first one to have it or that they came up with the idea.

          • michael arazan

            Not like IBM was around since 1911

          • CapnShiner

            It was Intel, not Apple, that pushed the Ultrabook concept and the name as well. I haven’t researched it, because I really don’t care enough to spend that much time on it, but I’d be willing to bet that high end Windows laptops had screen resolutions at least as high as a Retina Display before those Retina Macbooks were released. I would also be willing to bet that PCI-e SSDs are available in some Windows laptops/ultrabooks as well. As for Windows OEMs selling the same terrible laptop for years and years, remind me again how often Apple releases new Macbooks and how often there are any differences aside from minor spec bumps.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            So, because you don’t want do actually do real research your assumptions turn to fact. Love that logic!

          • CapnShiner

            So, because you don’t seem to understand written English, your own misunderstanding makes me a liar? Read my comment again. I said I’m willing to bet. I did not claim to have already won that bet. Yes, I am making assumptions, but I am also being transparent about them being assumptions and not facts. By the way, I am aware that you are trolling but I don’t really care.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            Yes, I troll because I give an opposing angle. You fanboys on either side are just to shallow minded to accept another view on a matter. Have a good evening.

          • CapnShiner

            You are deliberately giving an opposing opinion on a site that is clearly targeting fans of Android who share the opinion you oppose. If that’s not trolling, I don’t know what is.

          • linkgx1

            Yeah, I’d say you are wrong on that. Why didn’t Ultrabooks before the Macbook Air?Let’s not be fanboys here and look at the truth.

          • bompf

            You are basically wrong with every point you made. Macbook Airs existed before the Ultrabook hype. Windows laptops never had retina-like resolutions, since the operating never supported it and everything would have been to small. I’m not certain abuot the PCI-e SSDs, but I haven’t seen any on a Windows laptop because most of them are exchangable.

        • Rob Delaney

          So you are judging all people based on one person who is a fan boy? Think about your logic right there? One person owns laptop built by a particular company who is probably self righteous to begin with and has nothing to do with his laptop and you are judging all other who have a similar laptop? Use some step by step logic there and you’ll find that you, nor anyone else can’t be generalized by the tools they use.

          • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

            I am generalizing based on the sample of people I typically see and no where in there did I directly mention that just because they use a certain product they are automagically tech illiterate, I was just pointing to the fact that the iFanboys who generally follow all of this stuff and sit in the audience at events like the one Apple did yesterday seem to never know what they are talking about! They’re like oh it has a 64bit processor!!! I have to have one NOW, my iPhone 5 seems to outdated to even use! Ex: Just look at the show yesterday, if it was anything like in history’s past then the second Tim Cook said new iPHone all the fanboys about fainted and they seem to keep clapping til their hands can’t clap anymore! But anyhoo, then they have to ask someone else just what in the world a 64bit processor is (because they don’t even have the slightest clue what a bit is in the first place!). I can’t tell you how many Apple followers I have had to explain to in the past day just over the processor but yet everyone is like “I’m gonna get it anyways” even though they have no clue what is actually new about it.

          • Rob Delaney

            It’s their money. If someone is an idiot with their money how and why does that affect you? Look at the gear. It is a POS and anyone who is a technology enthusiast can see it inside and out. But you know what, if someone I call a friend gets it, the first thing I am going to says isn’t OMG WASTE OF MONEY. No it will be, hey, can I make a phone call with it and pretend I am using my hand and fingers (the universal hand gesture for phone).

            It’s their money, if you are a technology enthusiast and see someone you know with a 5s for the first time, the thing I would ask is “Hey can I see you use the fingerprint scanner to unlock?” (That is of course if you have never seen it done on the Atrix). Be excited for technology and competition in it. Why troll people who have money to buy it?

        • Maxim∑

          Your like one of those crazy sports fanatics. Your reaction Is ridiculous. As you should know a 64 but architecture will benefit gaming. You also do not know what changes were made to the iOS kernel

      • RaptorOO7

        No Android users are smart enough to use Velcro invented for NASA to make their lives easier. iFoney fans are fanatics and unwilling to look beyond their own myopic view of the ios world. I have used more mobile OS’s than anyone I know and so far Android has done a great job improving build after build.

        • Rob Delaney

          So all android users use Velco? 100% of them. If I go to every Android user on the planet them would agree that they use velcro. Like I told Champion1229, look at your statement and break it down logically. You are generalizing everyone into a group based on a tool they use. Not everyone is the same. Sure some people who use Apple products are idiots and horrible people and so are some people who use Android. They were most likely that way before they bought the devices.

      • CapnShiner

        There are still people who refer to every Android phone as a “Droid.” I highly doubt those people know what 64-bit means.

        • Rob Delaney

          And I am willing to bet some are Android users themselves

      • TheRobotCow

        Since this is an android website we get a shitload of fanboys who lack intelligence. I was a huge anti-apple person for a while but i finally just gave in and all i must say is that i love my products.
        People get lost in arguing their opinions with other fanboys and it just creates a mess. Don’t get me wrong, i still love android but i want that new iphone along side the new nexus(since verizon will never see it).

    • ddub

      Good one. In all seriousness… This was a weird conference. Schiller’s little comment about Android, the fact that they just quickly ran through iOS 7, and blasted through the iPhone announcement. They really went out of their way to highlight the 5C and the fact that the 5s is 64-bit. If the 5c is 32-bit, is there even a reason why developers should upgrading their apps? Does 32bit and 64bit make a difference when there is less than 4gb or RAM?

      • Emilio Figueroa

        I’m pretty sure it’s 64 bit so they have a reason to drop support for the 5 and 5C once iOS 8 or 9 come out… Just a thought

      • Jarred Sutherland

        In all seriousness that claim is just a marketing ploy. As the guy above you stated most users have zero idea what it means to them besides bigger has to be better. While it is nice to see them paving the way for future devices, it is very doubtful this will have any impact right now.

        • ddub

          I agree. It’s nice that they’re future proofing it, but there really isn’t anything to be gained other than the marketing. Its something that you’d think apple would just list as a back end improvement rather than a headlining feature. 64 bit is nice, but it isn’t like the hardware is going to be taking advantage of it at this time ( unless the iPad refresh is specifically built with 64bit architecture in mind). I suppose after talking about the camera and the fingerprint scanner, apple needed another bullet point or two to round out the conference!

          • Ted

            Very few apps on any 64-bit OS are even true 64-bit applications. I doubt very many developers will ever utilize this in the near future.

      • blah

        64bit often means more than > 4GB memory addressable. On amd64/x64 it also enables more and much wider registers which speeds up general computing as well. There is no telling what Apple did with their 64bit transition though.

    • RaptorOO7

      Can any iphone users even spell 64 bit, SIRI or BING? I guess that is why they use a speak and spell app on their phones.

      • Jkdem85

        did steve jobs rape your mom or something dude? relax

  • David Thomas

    Why didn’t Ron write all the blogs about the iPhone release today? ;-)

  • RoboCop

    112g and 7.9mm is pretty impressive, as is the 64 bit…but there’s not a single “everyday user” who knows what any of that means that Apple is talking to….

    • Zandig

      You could say the same about any android phone. Everyday user isn’t going to know about crazy quad-octo core and 2 Gb of ram specs either. They just want it to take nice pictures, call, text and web.

      • Ryan B

        Maybe not, but at least they can compare normal numbers to other normal numbers. Apple has a fancy way of hiding the specs so no one cares about them. “i dont know, it just works” – every apple user ever

      • joejoe5709

        Bigger numbers are bigger. That and a spiffy looking design are all they’re looking for.

  • Joseph A. Yager

    So is the 5c closer to the regular ol’ iPhone 5? Just with a plastic backing?

    • Rob Delaney

      Yes with a minimal upgrade to the front facing cam. It’s to mass produce the 5c without stealing the materials of the 5s, mainly the aluminum

      • mgamerz

        I’m pretty sure its to make more money

        • Rob Delaney

          I am sure Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Google, LG, Droid-Life, Technobuffalo, theVerge, Yahoo, Coke, Pepsi, and Hot Pockets do everything for the money.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            But not Disney. They do everything for Magic.

          • Rob Delaney

            HA! LMAO. That is some expensive magic. Every year this family of 4 goes for 9 days and it takes me a year to pay off the damage. Literally, we go in March and every year the last payment is paid in February and then I start all over again. Kids love it and so does VISA.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            And yet you are making Memories to last a lifetime. Magic!

  • Kiter86

    note 3 has wireless charging with separate accessory. Same thing as the s4

    • The Phenom

      But it is at least availible unlike with IPhone.

    • jnt

      I didn’t like the one for the S4 – made it slightly thicker and created a slight gap around the camera lens to the inside of the phone.

  • Ben Landwehr

    Galaxy Note 3 for me. Fantastic specs, and android 4.3. I was thinking about the HTC One on Verizon, but with 4.4 coming out soon, I feel like it’ll just never get that (at least on Verizon, not GSM versions).

    And.. yeah.. iPhone 5s or 5c? The iPhone 5c is the iPhone 5 with a blue, pink.. whatever, case on it. The iPhone 5, while it did have some pretty cool upgrades, still nothing special to me. Sorry, Apple.

    • http://meatcastle.com/ Youre My Boy Bloo

      Can we stop dignifying these phones by calling them 5s?

      The 5S is really just the iPhone 4,4

  • DingowBell

    I’ve got a motorola Atrix and it got fingerprint. =P

    • mgamerz

      The same company, Authentic, is what tech makes the new fingerprint reader.

      If it’s as good as the atrix one, it will be kickass… I miss my Atrix FP reader… it was so nice.

  • Matthew DiGiacomo

    I have an iPhone and I’m going to but the iPhone 5C, but you all should probably get the Note 3.

    • Van Hicks

      I see what you did there :P

      • Matthew DiGiacomo

        Seemed like a perfect time to crack it back out :p

        • Sirx

          You were correct, sir.

      • Elliot Kotis

        I don’t get it?

    • Adrynalyne

      How many times are people going to beat that comment to death? It was funny…once. Twice it was cute. Now it is just idiotic.

      • Matthew DiGiacomo

        No one has said it in awhile :p

        • Adrynalyne

          I could have sworn I’ve seen it twice in this week alone.

          • Mr E

            FACKWORS!

          • Brandon Golway

            I actually just randomly thought about that word like a week ago lol

      • Daistaar

        Hey Adrynalyne! What device are you messing with today? Still HTC or have you moved onto Samsung?

    • David Thomas

      Yes, I’m still wondering why Ron didn’t write all the iphone blogs today…

      • New_Guy

        I think he’s in timeout from the last opinion post :)…