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Verizon CFO: Unlimited Data Plans Going Away, All Users Pushed Onto Shared Data

During the JP Morgan Media and Telecom conference, Verizon’s CFO Fran “ShamWow” Shammo dropped a bomb that most of you are not going to be a fan of. During his talk, he mentioned that unlimited data plans will go away completely when the company introduces shared data plans this summer. He talked about everyone’s next upgrade cycle and how at that time, users will be forced into shared data tiers and off of the unlimited plans that you have come to love. He mentioned specifically that 3G users on unlimited data will indeed have to go into a shared plan once they upgrade to a 4G phone, but in the quote we have below, it sounds like it is going beyond that.

Here is the quote from the conference:

LTE is our anchor point for data share. So as you come through an upgrade cycle and you upgrade in the future, you will have to go onto a data share plan. And moving away from, if you will, the unlimited world and moving everyone into a tiered structure/data share type plan.

So when you think about our 3G base, a lot of our 3G base is unlimited. As they start migrating to 4G they will have to come off of unlimited and go into the data share plan. And that’s beneficial for us for many reason, obviously.

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Many of you are currently “grandfathered” into unlimited data and cherish that status as if it were your own child, so this move is going to be one that won’t be taken kindly. In the quote above, Shammo does mention that eventually, “everyone” will be on a share, but for now, it seems like just 3G customers who are forced into upgrading to 4G phones. The scariest part is the mention of your next upgrade cycle, which for many of you, isn’t all that far off.

Update:  This whole conversation with Shammo at the JP Morgan conference is fascinating. He really opened up and talked about their plans to make more and more money off of tiered data plans. They have set them up so that as consumers realize the power of LTE and use it more, that they will have to keep buying up in tiers. Also, as families add more devices over time, they will again have to buy up in tiers. While I understand this is a business and Verizon needs to continue to find ways to increase revenues, this is like a slap in the face to its customers. As if we all aren’t paying enough already, the way shared data plans are set up (according to Shammo), is to get you to continue to spend more and more money on data. Welcome to the future, folks.

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Update:  Shared some of my own thoughts here.


Via:  Verizon | Fierce Wireless

Cheers Tyler, Mo, and Mike!

  • Bummed in Hawaii

    I wasted 2 hrs. at Verizon yesterday and I still didn’t even make it to the counter. But there was one Rep that walked around and ask me what I was planning to do today. He told me if I upgrade to the new iPhone I would automatically be switch to the new “Shared Plan”.

    So after I left I went home and looked at Verizon’s website for there new “shared Plan”. Has anyone else seen the prices they going to dump on you. If you have a smart phone you will now pay $40 per month instead of the $30. If you have a basic phone you will have to pay $30 per month instead of $9.99. On top of having to pay for each phone then you have to pay monthly for the “Shared Plan” starting at $50 for 1GB shared, $60 2GB, $70 4GB, $80 6GB, $90 8GB and $100 10GB.

    Verizon claims this will be cheaper for the customer but that is a total lie. It is projected that if every Verizon customer was to stay and be switched to the new “Shared Plan” Verizon would make billions more per month in profit. So if Verizon is going to make billions how is the customer going to save. I plan to leave verizon when the time comes.

  • I just tried to get my “free” upgrade …wanted to move from my current blackberry to a droid razr maxx, as if the 300.00 subsidized wasn’t enough money for them to make, i was told that to keep my unlimited data i would have to buy the phone at retail price, close to 700.00!!! in this economy Verizon will LOSE customers. the store which was always packed had few customers that night and now i see why. i know several people who have left Verizon already and i’m not far behind if my old blackberry dies. this is GREED to the maxx! Verizon is giving it’s customers the hacksaw nevermind a razr.! Disgusted, was even considering Fios..silly me. Got a can and a string?

  • Z

    Looks like I’ll take my business elsewhere. I’ve never heard of a mobile provider not allowing customers to retain their old plans, that’s just bad PR and custome service. Even if the competition has similar offerings I’ll migrate out of principle.

  • JudeLawGuardian

    One more reason not to sign up w/Verizon…

  • FUverizon

    lol hmmm guess I’m going to download ALL my torrents through my phone until they switch me over…I’ll get serious use out of my grandfather’d unlimited plan 🙂

  • Adam

    I currently have a 3G Samsung Fascinate with unlimited data but I’m do for an upgrade in a couple days. So if I get a 4G phone, can I keep my unlimited?

  • if they do that im leaving verizon

  • Dave Rieke

    So you now pay to upgrade….. and now pay for data…. so pay alot to be on verizon?

  • dt1214

    I am currently on a 3g unlimited data plan with a 2 year upgrade date in july….please correct me if I am wrong, but I should probably:

    1. upgrade to a 4g lte phone prior to verizon’s switch to the new shared data plan, thereby keeping my unlimited data
    2. if they announce that the shared data plan is going to go in effect prior to my 2 year upgrade date, pay $30 early upgrade fee and lose my $30 customer loyalty discount. but in this case, i can keep my unlimited data


  • never thought i’d leave Verizon….guess im gonna be pushed to Tmobile/ATT

  • zmonster

    Its funny to me that everyone threatens to leave if they loose unlim data where are u going to go exaxtly? Just about every one had tiered systems and son everyone will so instead of making idle threata why not do something productive like write vzw not call and complain cuz that does nothing written word way more powerful

  • Verizon just pulled a Motorola.

  • Mikeeea

    Help a Nob Out :), Can i get some Clarification from the community on this.
    Ive been Grandfather into the Unlimited since ive had the unlimited data plan starting around 4 years ago.
    Does this mean -I will be capped? I will have to pay for going over a certain data limit?
    And when will this take effect?


  • Does any provider offer Unlimited anymore?

  • Red_Baran

    Join the FaceBook Group
    https://www.facebook.com/SaveV… Tell Verizon not to take our unlimited data!

  • Verizon Customer

    I just spoke with a Verizon West District Manager and explain Verizon will give the customer a heads up of any changes and the options for the better of their service. As of now no changes will be made.

  • If you have wifi you don’t need unlimited data

  • iceman

    Exactley, I’m contacting someone and announce the movement to othe service companies…

  • So here is my question. My wife has a 4G LTE phone and has unlimited data, I have a 3G phone with unlimited data and have the upgrade feature now. Should I upgrade to 4G LTE now to get the unlimited data and lock that in or will that not matter? I just dont want to get an 4G LTE phone in the fall and not have the unlimited data grandfather plan. Should I upgrade before this goes into effect this summer or will that not matter? Thanks!

  • Ryan

    sorry if this was already addressed below…

    what if i already have unlimited 4G LTE? I bought into VZW’s first LTE phone the HTC Thunderbolt primarily for the reason of being grand fathered into unlimited LTE. At the time, I remember they mentioned that the unlimited LTE would be for the lifetime I am a customer of VZW. This totally goes against this previous understanding.

    clarification please!

  • 19jrs700

    My Verizon bill is already $333 a month with four phones on a 2000 minute family share plan and only one line is Grandfathered! How much more does Verizon want me to pay? I’m considering going with a Walmart prepaid phone that only makes and receives calls, I love my phone, but having a phone bill that’s more than my car payment is where I draw the line!

  • Unlimited-Data-Plan

    Here’s one solution to keep your unlimited data plan!

  • i’m glad i just got grandfathered in a couple months ago, but looks like my next phone might not be a smart one

  • Jwhap

    900 comments between two posts…….people are PISSED!

  • nightwaves

    Ok everyone revolt……Verizon has finally shown why they chose the color red for there logo when they developed it…..They chose red because they are blood sucking greedy corporate suits……Hence the red stands for blood.

    Lets all band together and put an end to this before its to late.

  • gloriousnumber1

    1. When will the end of grandfathering happen? I figure we will all be watching to see, so not a good question.
    2. Will this only affect upgrades or also phones bought for full price?

    2.5. I got an extra line (ghost line) 4 months ago so that I could get the Rezound without waiting for my April upgrade. I am up for an upgrade now, and my contract is up in a month. Will I lose my unlimited if I don’t renew my contract?

    3. What if I upgraded soon, but then immediately had my old phone activated again, waited until it dies, and then had my new, unused upgrade activated in a couple years (assuming technology doesn’t change so much that it won’t work anymore), would I lose my unlimited then?

    4. Can I transfer my phone number and unlimited data to my extra line and dump that phone number and take over the remainder of that contract once mine is done?

  • theraskell

    F-You Verizon, I can’t believe I am reading this! WTF MAN!

  • enigmaco

    Looks like I got kicked off verizons forum for a simple comment. Either that or they are being flooded because I can’t log into it. They deleted my comment because I just spoke the truth with no foul language involved. This really pisses me off, I can’t remember the last time I was on a tiered data plan.

  • Evil-D

    So I am already on 4g LTE and unlimited from my 3g days. So this doesn’t effect me right?

  • T.O.

    Imagine what my bill would be since I have used 115 gb this month!!!
    Looks like I’m keeping my rezound forever

  • Edward


    I just created a petition: Verizon Wireless: allow unlimited users on 4G to keep unlimited data for another upgrade, because I care deeply about this very important issue.

    I’m trying to collect 800 signatures, and I could really use your help.

    To read more about what I’m trying to do and to sign my petition, click here:

    It’ll just take a minute!

    Once you’re done, please ask your friends to sign the petition as well. Grassroots movements succeed because people like you are willing to spread the word!


  • Ben

    When did the gnexus come out? 6 months ago? so thats 14 more months till we all go to sprint?

  • Vollrathian

    If Verizon actually goes through with this I’m sure AT&T will be right behind them. I’m actually AT&T hadn’t forced people out of their unlimited data plans already, I think verizons lte coverage had surpassed AT&Ts 3G coverage rofl

  • dbag

    looks like i’ll eventually switch to sprint when this hits

  • So I guess this means I should get my GNex now? 😐

  • Thats it! I have had it with Verizon. I’m gone see you later you greedy bunch of people. I hope you make a lot more money when everyone leaves.

  • willie

    no more cell phone for me if this happens I will use wifi devices and keep in contact that way

  • AndroidUser00110001

    JP Morgan: Verizon..our dumb ass CEO and the manager of our trading group just lost 2-3 billion dollars and yet we still paid one 15 million and the other 26 million for the year. Can you help us get that back?

    Verizon: Sure, we will screw customers more, invest or new found revenue stream with you guys but when we ask for a favor down the road you will have to be there, no matter how shady it might be.

    JP Morgan: Done deal, F***K the consumers.

  • Androidandwp7equalsPower

    Thank goodness, I renewed my contract with VZW, so I have 2 years more of unlimited data, and if they change it, I can go to Sprint.

  • It’s almost hilarious how trapped we are as consumers. Gasoline and Cell phones… SELL YOUR SOUL

  • kris

    This would be good for tablets though, alot of people don’t have a tablet because they dont wanna pay 600 bucks for a wifi model or another 30 a month to put device on plan. I guess it depends on what these shared plans are? 2 gigs is a joke, but 8 gigs for 30 bucks could supply a few devices.

  • Noah D.

    Or if you’re willing to spend a little extra, add a line and upgrade to 4g by switching the phones around. And to make it even cheaper go to Amazon Wireless and add the line from there, got my Gnex for 69.99 before the price drop.

  • MrEnglish

    I have no problem dumping Verizon. I really have no problem dumping cell data altogether. They are going to do what they need to survive…..and so will I.

  • tech247

    I hate Verizon……………but there is no other choice if you want rock solid national reliability. AT&T, Sprint and especially T-mobile are all bad jokes…..

  • djembeman

    I guess I’ll have to find other ways to “upgrade” to a new phone next time. About 1.5 years from now. Seriously??? The two $30 data plans that I currently pay for isn’t enough for them??? My $180 +/- that I pay them per month isn’t enough??? I guess I’ll try to make my Bionic last like 5 years.

  • crobson1985

    I have no reason for a personal cellphone with out unlimited data if it goes this way I will cancel my line and just carry my company phone.

  • pat kerby

    Well i got my unlimited plan and i am a 4G user! But if Verizon drops my plan, were going to Sprint!

  • Well when that happens bye bye verizon

  • AlexR69
  • As @facebook-1257157532:disqus points out, we finally won’t feel we’re enslaved to Verizon. We’ll be freed for the other providers to compete for our business. I guess this is why independence among carriers is so important.

    On the other hand, I don’t really mind the thought of buying a phone at full price just to continue my month-to-month as long as they’ll let me.

  • Michael Figueira

    See ya later Verizon. I’m taking my 4 devices and going to Sprint!

  • micco

    I doubt this will actually happen but if it does I am going to a pre paid unlimited plan.. Its cheaper anyway..

  • Trevor

    What a pisser.

  • The wording makes it seem as if you only get pushed if you upgrade. So I will never upgrade. Galaxy Nexus, it’s you and me for the long haul.

  • Drewgy

    I am paying too much already, especially with no access to 4G unless I happen to leave my 3G black hole and drive 45 minutes. No unlimited data = another carrier.

  • Phil V

    I’m not going to freak out just yet but if this is true I may look elsewhere for my service provider. I have been with Verizon for 15 years and they have been very good about carrying my contracts forward. I have a voice plan that hasn’t been offered in maybe 10 years or more but they honor it to this day. If they can’t carry my unlimited forward that opens things up for me to review many carriers and I most surely will look at them all if this is the case. I would like to stay with them but I have to do what makes the most sense for me and my house. I sure hope they come to their senses.

  • mdeamicis

    VWERIZON, HEAR THIS. wall mart sells a mid range android for about 150 bucks with a 40 dollar a month unlimited every ting plan. I love my 4g speed but I will throw my bionic in the toilet if you ever pull this shit on me.

  • LoyalCustomer

    Please Start a Petition to stop them!

  • Tom

    I’m not jumping to conclusions yet. I’ll wait and see what happens down the line (in 1.5 years) when my contract is up. I’ll make my decision then. No matter what, I’m not going to make a snap decision based on this. There are too many factors in choosing a phone and a service to just take only one into consideration.

  • Jesus Malena

    Just like you can’t get out of their contract. They can’t make changes in the middle of them. If they do that alone nullifies the contract. They can’t charge you a cancellation fee because they changed the terms on you. If their customer service says no, they’ll be getting sued, period.

  • BlueDolphin

    I have a question about this. Would this be a good time to upgrade to a 4G phone so I can keep unlimited data? I have the Droid X right now and I’m thinking about waiting for the SIII. Help?

  • Finire

    I’ve got to be honest and put my little thoughts into this.

    I have stayed with verizon because they have amazing coverage, and I have my unlimited data plan. I don’t think I’ve ever gone over 4GB/Month, but it’s really comforting knowing that I have it. Could I do with only 4 per month? Sure I could… But you know what? I don’t want to HAVE to do with 4 per month.

  • Confused and Disgusted

    This is a bunch of bull. Even more after yesterday in my town Alltel had a tent set up giving out free phones with free activation on a $10.00 month plan if you presented a food stamp card. This is why our plan continues to rise! So that we may continue to pay for those who milk the system. Oh and lets not forget about the “OBAMA PHONES”. When do I start getting my “FREEBIES” for being a hard working tax contributing citizen!?!?!?!?!?

    • Actually, this is the result of a GOP-backed company which can afford to treat its customers better but want to clamp down on us in order to get us to blame entities which have nothing to do with the mobile phone world.
      Either that or you just work for Fox News or something. Keep your politics to yourself, please. Or get Credo Mobile. {{-_-}}

      • Confused and Digusted

        Money is Politics Grand Master!! Or maybe you benefit from the “FREEBIES”!?

  • when they kill the 4g data ill do the switch to GSM/LTE and hop from badass phone to badass phone.

  • cmorty72

    Didn’t Cingular do something like this a while back, and got burned majorly for it? Unlimited data was the ONLY reason I’ve stayed with Verizon this long (and I’ve been with these greedy sob’s since the Bell Atlantic days)! If this is actually for real and not Verizon’s CEO just testing the waters with its greedy plan… then like everyone else, I’m gone!!

  • No. No No No.

  • TheWickedShepherd

    This is moronic how Google is pushing for more reliance on cloud services that use data and carriers are pushing out more draconian data limits at the same time.

  • kris

    How is this not a breach, they made a minor change to contracts last jjune anand it was enough foe oopportunists to get out.

    • Again… They won’t make any changes to one’s contract until their current contract is up and you re-sign one. (and possibly even if you just go month-to-month)

  • Liquidretro

    This might just rally the troops

  • inboy81

    Cell phone company 🙂 can I pay you $30 dollars to stay with you and be your prisoner for 2 more years? Cell phone company take my $30 “upgrade punishment” so I can give you $2,000 or more the next 2 years. Maybe if Im lucky I will get a droid that has alot of bugs and not thought out completely. Cell phone company I want to pay you so you can mirco manage me. Please cell phone company take my “upgrade punishment” fee.. Now take away my unlimited data that you allowed me to have. You take away the NE2, and make excuses of course to why. BOYCOTT! Cell phone companies. The bigger they get the greedierthey get. Just like government

  • kfath1978

    bye bye Verizon….

  • sounds like there will be class action suit in the future.

    • For what?

      • Jake

        As soon as they try and force this on a broad set of customers and not just through new contract upgrades with subsidy and such there WILL be class actions. They would technically be frivolous based on the agreements that have probably technically been made legally, but they WILL happen if this is a forced thing on people not looking to change their current plans.

        • I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t just change it for the masses, before we even hit our contract expiration. But if they were actually dumb enough to do that, sure there would be lawsuits.

  • kris

    Does this constitute a breach of contract on Verizon’s part? That said could I get out of my contract and get a new phone?

  • sinofueramos

    PagePlus at $55 for unlimited t/t with 1GB is looking better and better.

  • I will definitely be leaving Verizon if this happens. I have been a customer for a long time, and it seems like taking away our unlimited data will be just the begining!

  • Granted

    Whatever that stupid phuck Verizon CFO just said, well it left me with so many questions? Shared Data Plans? What the hell is that crap? I have my own single plan, no one else on my plan, who an I supposedly going to be sharing data with? And do you lose your unlimited if you resign a contract, but if you don’t resign a contract you keep your unlimited? If that’s the case, phuck I don’t give a damn about getting a new phone with Verizon ever again. I’ll just stick with my HTC Rezound forever. If it dies, I’ll buy a phone off contract or buy one on Ebay and just switch the number to the new phone. I know there are lots of bitches who would roll over and take anything Verizon does to them up the anus. But I’m not for one second going to stand for this. It would break my contract, and that smells of a class action lawsuit.

    Besides, I’d gladly put up with less service at another carrier, if it meant i wasn’t letting Verizon know I’m not going to take any abuse they throw at us. It will never end. The more users keep backing down and taking anything Verizon does, by continuing to being a customer and gladly taking “shared data plans”. Well you don’t have to be a genius to see that this will never end. I mean what’s next? You think if you show them you’ll continue to use their service after they take away the one thing we have all cherished about our service, that they will stop after raping that away? Hell No! It’s just like a spoiled child screaming and throwing a tantrum. The more that child will continue to act like a little devil and it will know it can continue to act out and do whatever it wants to get it’s way.

    Same principle here. The more we just keeping putting up with Verizon removing features, adding on ridiculous fees, while not improving service, continuing to hire moronic employees, and most of all take away these features and services, add new costs, but at the same time have record setting years of profit gained from us. Well do i really have to explain what happens when you keep feeding this greedy pig, by rolling over and just taking whatever feature they continually and habitually keep removing? And it’s not to put back into Verizon after seeing the record profits they made recently. No it’s too fill the pockets of the to executives and share holders. They sit in their boardroom and conspire over what feature or service they can get away with removing next, while at the same time adding a new fee. All the while laughing because they know their pathetic customers will bitch and moan on the internet. But they smack their greedy chops and salivate knowing most customers will complain like crazy, but at the end of the day they will still pay that monthly Verizon bill, like the good little sheep they are. Well not me.

  • Looks like I will buy my phones out right… Oh yeah good way to show thanks for your loyal customers @sshole

  • paul_cus

    So if I already have unlimited LTE, they aren’t trying to push me off yet? Just the 3G to 4G transition people? Upgrading to another LTE phone shouldn’t be a problem then. For now.
    I’m just wondering how this “share” plan actually means as I’m the only one on my family plan with data.

  • F#@& The Evil Empires

    Go to hell Verizon! Looks like I am going to start the trend of reverting back to a land line, home internet and a BASIC wireless plan. Don’t buy the hype! We were productive BEFORE data on our wireless plans and we can do it again.

  • biggz

    The only reason i am still with verizon is the unlimited data. If they want to drop the unlimited i have no problem dropping my 10 phones and going to Sprint. Sprint will like the business

  • Jimneezy

    This is where the shift to T-mobile will happen. When Google starts to sell off contract devices by the end of the year, T-Mobile’s off contract plans will be more enticing to the average consumer.

  • In my area I don’t even get 4g yet so this is even more BS!

  • Here I come Galaxy Note!

  • RoadsterHD1

    Google will save the day!!!

    • Akilig

      I can’t see that happening without them buying let’s say a T-Mobile or Sprint and then building out the network. Which can’t and won’t happen overnight or by the time your contract renews. Either way I rather save myself by using my wallet to voice my dissatisfaction.

  • Tim Swann

    this sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. So since I i got my G-Nex in December they can’t take away unlimited data from me until Dec 2012 (2 years from when I signed a new contract) right? That would be breach of contract? right?

    what if I choose not to upgrade my phone and stick with what I have? I haven’t signed a new contract or upgraded so they can’t take away unlimited data right?

    Still sounds like a lawsuit, but I’d like to get other’s people’s take on this…

    • They wouldn’t take away unlimited until your contract is up. Once your contract IS up, I’m pretty sure they can change whatever terms they want, as the two parties (you and them) are no longer under any agreed upon terms. Once you’re month to month I think they can do whatever they please. Don’t think there will be any law suits.

  • RoadsterHD1

    someone start a petition please

  • Akilig

    Watch my account migrate to ZERO.

  • Jack Heath

    Alltel customers that were bought out by Verizon in the merger have better contracts. Many of those customers (including myself) have been able to upgrade to unlimited 4G, free tethering, unlimited text, and talk, etc and will most likely get at least one more upgrade cycle. However, Verizon has been sneaking in trying to talk many of us into new plans by adding lines, offering early upgrades, etc. Personally, I run two phones I have one unlimited and the rest are T-mobile – I WILL NOT migrate to a tiered plan.

  • Rodeojones000

    What if I don’t actually upgrade? Meaning my next phone purchase is at full price and I do nothing to upgrade or renew my plan? Wonder if I’ll still be forced to tiered/shared data.

    • i think that’s why he said “upgrade cycle” so regardless Shamwow wants us not only on all fours but he actually wants face down a** up

      • Akilig

        LMFAO even tho I’m pissed beyond believe right now.

  • OhAaron

    I am only on Verizon because of unlimited data! GSM true Nexus here I come!

    • Nexjersey


  • 1ofdakoolkidz

    This is why Google needs to come with the real G-Talk network, and put an end to this carrier BS.

  • Hang in there Sprint, a bunch of new customers coming your way

    • Nexjersey


  • GCurry

    When this happens I will re-evaluation everything. And I mean, everything.

    When most network use is at home, especially for the consolidated extended family, the more fast internet to housewide wifi hotspot (or 2) plus desktops or wifi tablets, or wifi smartphones or MagicJack Pro looks good.

  • pickle3782

    When does this go into effect?

    I have been eligible for a new upgrade for well over a year but I have yet to find a phone worth the $200-$300 price tag and a contract renewal. I have been purchasing phones from craigslist. Just got a cheap Droid Incredible a few months ago and skipped picking up the Rezound for $20 when it was on sale for $50 and had my $30 upgrade discount.

    So is this article telling me that because I didnt sign a new contract last month I may have my unlimited data taken away from me when either A) I sign a new contract from this point on or B) They just decide anyone off contract has to move to a tired data plan?

    Please help me answer these questions! It might be time to switch to another carrier.

  • i’m guessing this would be a great time to buy stock in Sprint, looks like i’ll be there soon

  • V.A. N.

    There seriously needs to be competition. The only thing is, is that Verizon has the overall best network in the country and they know it. People really need to start leaving for Sprint, ASAP or even smaller carriers (i.e MetroPCS in NYC) in order to keep the “Big Wireless” in check.


  • rocket658

    Moving over to Sprint after my contract is over. Way to lose another customer Verizon.

  • DDiz

    Haha such sheeps. You really think you need more than 5Mbps on a phone? Of course they would up the speed then put a cap. The quicker you reach the cap the quicker they can charge you overages. Keep thinking you need more than 5Mbps on a phone and companies will keep raping you. No, unless you’re using torrents you don’t need this BS. Stop trying to justify it.

  • beez1717

    Imagine if the government decided that if you drive over X amount of miles, you would have to pay a fine for every mile thereafter? Now imagine if you could pay them a higher price to be able to drive more miles, but the price for going over your allowance costed you more? it wouldn’t stop people from using the roads and it would only get people mad. That’s why we are mad at Verizon. I think that the government should be stepping in here and telling all phone companies to stop gouging their customers. I’d much rather have Verizon up their speed on 4G by a TON and then making you pay for more SPEED instead of more DATA. It would make people happily pay more to get better speeds and it would make their network a LOT less jammed because the people who have a lower speed would be able to have the data they use more efficiently managed over the network (and thus slowing them down)

  • saruonasaurus

    imagine when you have 4 LTE phones already and one 3G phone on a family plan. When that 3G user upgrades, it screws everyone else up i bet.

    • saruonasaurus

      or make that 3G user stay on a single line plan so the upgrade wont effect the other 4 users.

  • cgalyon

    Glad I signed up for the Republic Wireless beta program. Of course one can use WiFi to reduce data consumption regardless, but if I’m going to be forced to rely mainly on WiFi for data, then I don’t want to be forking out premium prices (e.g., $80 vs. $20).

  • Wait. So, they can’t force the change until you upgrade, because when you do you agree to the new terms when you sign the new contract.
    However, if you go off contract, they can do whatever they like, because there is no longer any contractual obligation. So long as they inform you of the change, there’s nothing you can do but pay it or terminate your service.
    VZW, please, don’t be that stupid.

  • androidftw

    It sucks to have to be stuck on the nexus with below average radios. But then if you want to get a different phone you will lose your unlimited. Verizon fail.

  • nobody

    Hope they go bankrupt from the masses of people that are going to jump ship to another carrier if this happens.

  • V.A. N.

    This will hurt, if not kill, all the cloud services regarding streaming entertainment.

  • so when my contract is up and I get out from under this pos nexus and they try that on me, sprint here I come

  • RobMorris

    Just make an outcry to them, make them know that they fucked up. They will lose me as a customer if they drop unlimited. Make them eat their words

  • Mack

    If this shit happens im out. Ill get sprint intead. F. Y. Vz.W.

  • I thoroughly researched which home ISP’s didn’t have data caps and Time Warner was the only one in my area so I went with them. I will do the same with mobile phone/data operators. I HATE CAPS / TIERED PLANS!!!! Verizon – its ok if you don’t increase revenue every quarter. But if you must, provide better service and make money that way – not by squeezing people more. Ugh! Or even a flat $/MB used would be fine – like the electric company. Making us guess our usage at the beginning of every month is a bullsh*t way of making us over pay for non-usage and gouge us for over usage.

  • Well, I have a Thunderbolt that I got last June, but that was an upgrade on a different line. I’m up for an upgrade on my line now, what would/should I get to replace it? And don’t say Nexus.

  • hothfox

    Probably my next upgrade I’ll be trying to get my company to pay for my cell (I’m the IT Admin, so it would make sense for them to). There’s no way right now I’m willing to pay $100+/month for cell service, as I use about 5GB a billing cycle on unlimited.

  • Carl Russell

    I’m so pissed I don’t know that I can keep this G rated. Just like every other huge corporation, they forget who lined their pockets. They could give a s*** about those of us who have dropped thousands of dollars for their service. We used to be able to say that Red kind of sucked but at least they recognized those of us who have stuck with them. Not any more. They clearly don’t give a f*** about their loyal customers. I’m done. In the end, I know it’s not going to matter because 5 more people will sign up at the same time I drop them like a lead weight. Pure Greed.

  • FuqVerizon

    Suck a big fat chunky one big red!

  • notechnomo

    been on VZ for longer than 10 years. take my unlimited data and im gone (period)
    4G is great and also a great battery killer. they are making progress on power efficiency though. but as of now, not that great of progress.
    ill move to cheaper data plans and a wider array of phone options (period)

    • jboogie1289

      +2!!!! I usually keep my 4g off anyway when I’m at home and use my wireless network and when away keep it on 3g (due to battery issues). So, I guess since I’m not really using the 4g all that much then I won’t miss it. And to top it off, VZW always get the off brand version of the top notch phones (dual core version of the GSIII and so called HTC 1 series). Bunch of lames!!!! They need to do like bigger corporations and begin trimming the fat off the top……lets say starting with the big HEADED wigs that get it (unlimited data for 3g or 4g) for nothing and as a last resort pass it on down the the customers!!!

  • beez1717

    I think that Verizon should back off of this. All they are doing is pissing off the people who are most loyal to them. My family has been a customer since 1995 or so! That’s 17 YEARS of paying to you folks. Why do you insist on treating us worse then caged chickens? All you are doing is getting us to WANT to leave you. Are you TRYING to kick us long term users off your network? If that’s the case, well you’re succeeding. What you should be doing instead of having a limit on the data we use, is to perhaps up the price of using the phone. People come to your network because you have the best data speeds around. keep it cheap. If you want to make money then charge people more for getting unlimited calling and crap!

    • Problem is I’m pretty sure they already charge the most for unlimited calling and other non-data services…

  • jnt

    As much as I dislike this, the fact of the matter is data/spectrum is each carrier’s #1 commodity. With LTE being as fast as it is, that commodity is now a whole lot more valuable (competition with local ISP’s among other things), and will be eaten up a whole lot faster as well. Unfortunately, even Sprint will eventually have to give in. (And, as previously stated, Sprint throttles their towers more than people are aware already) The days of unlimited data are slowly coming to an end.

    This commodity is not free, and is now too valuable and fast to be treated in such a way. So as much as I don’t like this, honestly, I feel we’ve been fortunate to have unlimited data to date.

    • Akilig

      Hmmm this post has a lot of incorrect info on spectrum.

  • jboogie1289

    Cut and paste all these remarks, place them on VZW’s board/site and lets see how much they will squirm!!!!!!!!!

  • Jeff “BIG RED”


  • myers

    this blows!!!! when they try and get me off my unlimited plan im saying bye bye!!! beleive me every carreier will have lte and fast speeds.. so all it will come down to is… who is the cheap est. THANKS VZ. your breaking up with the hotest girl u’ve known just because u think u can get someone hotter.. never works..

  • I was told that I’d have unlimited data forever as long as I kept that account. I don’t see how they can do this to people who have been grandfathered into a 4G unlimited account.

  • br_hermon

    Another question I have is, What happens to all the customers who got the “double your data” promotion? Will they have to forgo their double dose and get the same amount of GB as everyone else? Or will VZ offer them a shared data plan with more storage than a normal shared plan?

    Now this is perhaps stating the obvious but… I’d bet that VZ knew that rocking the boat like this could upset a lot of ppl and create some waves. So to avoid making to big a splash at once, they decided to offer the double the data promotion as a bait and switch. They probably figured the more ppl they could get off of unlimited now, (by offering double data) the fewer the number of unlimited users when it comes time to shift to shared data. I actually considered ditching unlimited for double data, because I KNEW that unlimited data was a sinking ship. (and I use little data) It was only a matter of time before VZ screwed us and took it away regardless of them telling us it would last forever. I figured / figure get out while the getting is good. Double data will probably be better than whatever crap they force me into.

    So given all those talking points, what do I personally believe? It’s hard to say. I don’t know what to expect for pricing for tiered data. Nor do I know what VZ will do for double data users. I imagine that shared data for me contrasted to paying for 2 data plans might save me 5 bucks a month. aka I’m predicting approx. Old structure: 1 plan = $29.99 New plan: Shared (5gb) = 54.99. Should I get double data now and hope they honor it on top of the shared data? I don’t know…. guess I’ll wait and see….

  • Bill

    I’m on Sprint and yes the 3G data rate is pretty horrendous. But I can still stream music and Netflix without a problem and I go through about 5gb of data per month. I’ll live with app downloads taking an extra minute (but LTE couldn’t come soon enough).

  • Davros

    Looks like big red hasn’t learned a thing from motorola. Their coverage is awesome but so is moto’s physical build quality (so happy I dropped moto like a fresh turd). I guess verizon will be sitting next to moto on my “avoid like a pedophile” list on my next upgrade.

  • I guess I better upgrade before they put this into effect. Been holding on to the Droid X waiting for the latest variation of the RAZR to drop.

    • skant153

      i’m in the same boat but the x is 3g and i think switching to 4g means you lose the unlimited plan anyways

      • EC8CH

        no it doesn’t… at least not yet 😛

      • This is why the time to stop waiting for the next best thing is before they enact these plans.

  • Jeremy Martin

    Of course Verizon customer support and their manager assured me that no one was going to lose their unlimited data plan so long as you were grandfathered in. They told me that the family data share plan is an option this summer but that we would not be forced to move to it when we renew. I have 3 phones ready to be renewed and I was just assured to not worry about this. Apparently no one at Verizon is aware of this.

    I guess this is news going to trickle down here soon.

    • That’ll be awesome if that’s the case. But many a support rep/manager has given misleading information…

  • Sp4rxx

    With all the complaints, no one has said what the pricing with be for the tiered shared plans. I would hold off complaining until after that is announced.
    Though I am grandfathered in, I don’t normally go over 3GB per month (and that is HIGH for me) and my g/f doesn’t go over 2GB.
    If the pricing is reasonable enough, there isn’t any reason to complain. I have unlimited I don’t use so it is fine. I will just use wifi instead. No big deal.

    • I think nobody is expecting “reasonable” pricing from greedy VZW due to the fact that pretty much none of their pricing, from phones to service, is really “reasonable”. The only reasonable thing going for them right now is $30 for unlimited data, and this is their move to eliminate that.

  • Akilig

    I hope you are reading this Fran! Can I haz a dumb pipe?

  • enigmaco
    • cmorty72

      Signed! Need more of these pats rolling out.

  • Havoc70

    As soon as i lose my Unlimited VZ can go F themselves..A$$wiping, thieving, little greedy Fuckers

  • jnt

    I’m thinking AT&T… only b/c we can get on a bottom rung voice plan b/c 99% of our friends/family are on AT&T already, so we’re rarely use any minutes.

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    • Akilig


  • Eddie

    I’m OUT if they force me to a tiered data plan.

  • LewisSD

    Just thought of something. A petition against this Fucked up idea. Remember when they were going to start charging a fee to pay your bill? They backed off that idea in less than a day when they saw the negative reaction.

    One customer saying they are going to leave doesn’t mean anything, but if we get over 10,000 customers they will back off really quick.

    Anyone know how we can get this started?????

  • NemaCystX

    Verizon is making it Google’s offering that much more appealing with no contracts to worry about and you can basically go to any carrier your want that’s GSM.

    I’m still with Verizon because of my employee discount and unlimited data. The future with Verizon is looking very bleak as there giving me more reasons to leave, even with the delicious LTE speeds I get here at home.

    Its like being at a buffet but you can only eat one plate worth of food.

  • Frogskins

    I have no issue personally with giving up the unlimited data if it means I can come away with a plan for myself and my wife that is more affordable. I am afraid though that the new family shared plans will offer no savings whatsoever compared to what I pay now.

    • Justin Frieberg

      this says everything I was just talking to my wife about

  • Mr. Bill

    Hello Voyager Mobile! This will be three phones off of Verizon’s network.

  • This all reminds me back in the early Internet days when AOL used to charge by the KB and MB. I’m sorry but haven’t we moved forward with unlimited internet access for all? This seems like a huge step back. Haven’t we moved on from that?

    I agree if my grandfather plan get’s nixed I’m out.

  • I might not be so offended if Verizon stopped gimping my phones in order to force me to use ‘their’ version of everything already. I’d say write to your congressman, but we all know that they are for sale to the highest bidder, and Verizon already takes away huge chunks of my money as it is…

  • shehippie

    I cant see them doing this until 4G is actually available everywhere.

  • Next time I upgrade if: i lose my grandfathered unlimited data and there is a $30 fee. I’m probably going to Sprint.

  • My grandfathered unlimited data is the only thing keeping me on Verizon.

    • malpracti

      ^ this

    • LionStone

      Really? For me: reliable and stout service, 4G speeds then unlimited.

  • might be time for another carrier have to wait and see I guess if they had the 2gig package for 15$ I think I could hang since I dont hit two gigs

  • Here is the simple solution, if unlimited data is important enough that you will pay a little extra for it: keep the line you already have unlimited data on, remove texting, and pay only the line and data fee. Add a new line so you get a new phone, and just have your calls forwarded to the new line since it will have a new number. So you have a phone with unlimited that will never change and also a new device. Problem solved.

    • *Except for the fact that you’ll have to carry around two smartphones.

  • Dr_Buttballs

    Sure glad I recently switched from Verizon back to AT & T.

    • Alexander Garcia

      Don’t get too comfy there. AT&T will follow Big Red’s example to the T very VERY soon. =/

      • Dr_Buttballs

        I expect as much. I have a couple years before I have to worry about that.

  • yellowcanary73

    My problem is I have 4 phones all at different phone upgrade dates.

  • br_hermon

    I’m not like some guys, I don’t ride my unlimited date plan like a horse till it faints. I don’t think I’ve ever seen 3gbs of usage so all things considered, I’m ok with shared data, especially since my family has multiple phones / data plans already. I’m hoping to save $ on shared data. The thing that, (maybe) bothers me most is 3g users being forced onto 4g data pricing. Now, up to this point there hasn’t been any price difference between 3g and 4g. Unlimited for either… 29.99. BUT if Verizon comes out, and hikes up the price of data, because it’s high-speed-luxury-holy-crap-I-should-feel-obligated-to-give-you-my-firstborn-child-4g, then I have a problem. Why? because I don’t live in 4g coverage. In fact, I suspect that my 3g coverage has worsened since the cities around me got 4g. (Existing 3g towers have their 3g capabilities toned down when 4g capabilities are added to the same tower). With that said, assuming they hike up the price on data, to them I say, NO you can’t take away my cheaper unlimited data until you get your act together and provide me 4g coverage. Otherwise I’m not paying a premium for a service I don’t even have access to.

    Now again that’s speculative but, if true, a very real problem IMO.

  • What a business plan.
    1. We will charge user $30 to upgrade.
    2. We won’t provide most current hardware because of our network.
    3. We will do away with unlimited data plan.
    4. We will take forever to update phone OS.

    Where do we sign up for Sprint/ATT/insert carrier here at?

    • Akilig

      Dude you ain’t never lying!

      • Nexjersey

        LOL its all true

    • Yes! Could not have said it better myself

  • FknTwizted

    The speeds aren’t the concern for most, it’s the unlimited part. I don’t want to be having to worry about overages cause I have been known to venture past even the highest tier a time or 2.however, the price of these plans are rather expensive to start with

  • New_Guy

    The ONLY reason I’ve been with VZW for so long is because I still have unlimited data. I’ve even talked my wife into staying with for that reason. once it’s gone, so am I.

  • bionicchimp

    Oh no they didn’t this is bs of all the things to cut unlimited data really Verizon

  • Mark

    Sweet. Cannot wait for these new tier data share plans….. not!!!!

  • Rob

    I really don’t want to go back to Sprint. What if you buy off contract and pay full MSRP? Will they still force you to go to tiered data? Or what if you get a 4G device prior to the mandatory change?

    • LionStone

      WRT buying off contract and paying full MSRP…I’m thinking VZW thinks not too many people go that route so it may be a viable option to hang on to unlimited longer.

  • Kemi

    Yep. And that’s when I say goodbye to Verizon.

  • Octotron

    Wow… screw this. I love the option to breech contract whenever they feel like it. Criminals.

  • NemaCystX

    Unless they raise the data cap 2GB to like 4 or 6GB, this isn’t going to be good for them, alot of people will fire back. I just got LTE in my area yesterday, and within one day I used nearly 1.2GB of data. The faster speeds are dangerous for those that are used to slow 3G speeds that deter you from wanting to download or use your data. My LTE is faster than my home internet, which do you think I would use on my phone? Its a no brainer, especially for those of us with unlimited data.

  • ryanallaire

    Verizon either thinks they’re outsmarting people, or greed (typical corporate stuff) is spreading around…

    • NemaCystX


  • CheeseMcGee

    Really glad I am in one of the summer beta waves over at republic wireless… goodbye Verizon!!

    • Josh Groff

      At that price and with being on a $50 line, I will be using both until my contract expires. Hopefully then, we’ll see some neat phones from RW.

  • Akilig

    Well let me see I signed up with Airtouch in 1996, VZW took over in 1999. I have 1 LTE phone (Nexus) and 4 3G phones on my plan. Maybe they want me to leave. Who wants my business??? Looks like we may be going GSM.

  • 1324356565

    If my unlimited plan gets taken away, add another 6 phones off of verizon.

  • jonny6pak

    Well, looks like I might be walking away from Verizon once my contract runs out (or sooner if they make me switch before the contract runs out). The unlimited plan was the only thing keeping me in place.

  • whenjasonattks

    I have absolutely no reason to stay with Verizon now. I’d rather be on GSM anyways.

  • bigillz

    What if we just let our contract expire, go month to month, and pay full price for new devices? If we never have to renew/change our contract I wonder if they’ll ever force us over off of unlimited.

    • Q

      I’m *GUESSING* even if you do it that way, Verizon will say, “OH HAI, I see you spent 700 on this new Galaxy SIII HD 4G LTE Touch… This phone REQUIRED a NEW DATA PLAN! .. Congratulations, you are now limited to 2GB!”

      • bigillz

        I dunno. I bought a new rezound from a 3rd party off contract, switched from a 3G phone to a the 4G rezound, didn’t renew contract, kept my unlimited data in the switchover, my asurion and all other options transferred. 4G to 4G phone I’m pretty sure I can just swap 4G sim cards. When I got a replacement (asurion) rezound from water damage, I didn’t have to “activate” the new phone by calling or dialing anything, I just swapped sim cards.

    • LionStone

      Sounds like a decent plan…I’m going that route too.

    • MooleyBooleyTroll

      They will most likely just tell you that your device you are trying to activate isn’t compatible with your current plan and require you to go month to month or sign a new contract with a newer data plan.

      • bigillz

        You can just swap sim cards on 4G devices

    • NemaCystX

      If you haven’t seen how the activation system works, even when you change a device you have to choose your options. I used to switch devices back and forth. Unlimited is an option at the moment but once they get rid of it as a grandfathered option, you can say good bye to your unlimited data unless you don’t change phones for the rest of your life. And thats not likely…

      • bigillz

        “used to switch” .. 3G or 4G phones? I’ve switched 4G phones and just swapped sim cards. No picking different options or activation process.

        • NemaCystX

          3G phones but I would imagine you would have to activate or choose your plan options each time you swap SIM’s even when this goes into effect. There not going to leave any loopholes

  • Akuma

    It seems like this is the next step in squeezing people out. First it was new customers, now it’s going to be customers who haven’t already upgraded to an LTE phone.

    Us LTE-ers should be safe. But for how long? This is quite discouraging.

  • lgb400

    What about my family plan…i have 4 g and unlimited everything…when my wife upgrades to 4g how does that work….we just share unlimited?

  • bbbb

    So am I to assume that if I have 4g right now… and never use a formal upgrade that I can keep my unlimited data? – I’ll just buy all my phones off of ebay a year after they come out

    • Josh Groff

      At 6-8 months they hit ~300 for most phones. Also, sell your old phone on swappa, the fees are less than eBay’s.

  • eze4

    I guess i’ll have my Thunderbolt & my Galaxy Nexus until i die.

  • superdry

    Hmm. Interesting. I have an upgrade come end of the year (I love my Thunderbolt, but it really feel long in the tooth right now), but, maybe, I’ll just buy an Incredible 4G off-contract and use that for 2-years (I don’t do anything too intensive on my phone so the Snapdragon S4 should give me plenty of power during that time frame).

  • jumpingjackflash

    Sprint thorttles, stop saying it’s unlimited.

  • They have me until February under contract but if they change that this summer the contract is void and Im going to be calling my friend at t-mobile to get a hook up.

  • TimXer

    100% BS, but NOT surprising at all. VZ – best network, but also best at ramming it down your throat!

  • I don’t get why so many people are bitching about a shared plan without seeing any of the pricing. Maybe I am the minority but I use on average less than 2 GB a month on my phone. I don’t stream netflix over 3G or 4G for that matter. Email is tiny and most of my music is stored for offline use. Plus with WiFi being damn near everywhere these days what is the point? Someone please explain to me how you can use over 5GB a month without tethering.

    • Akuma

      Google Music, Netflix, Shoutcast, Skype Video Chat, etc… The newest wave of phones were designed to be multimedia beasts. It’s like buying a brand new sports car and then told you are only allowed half a tank of gas per month.

  • mudleyblind

    Is this applicable even if we buy nexus of google play store?

    • Dave

      Well the Nexus being sold on the Google Play Store is not even compatible with Verizon since they use CDMA. The unlocked phone on the Play store is a pentaband GSM phone…so not even relevant here.

      • mudleyblind

        I understand. Thank you Dave for clarifying.

  • littleperry04

    republic wireless looks ever better now

  • Daniel DeRosa

    In a world where phones are getting more advanced every month, 720p screens, higher megapixel cameras,and 1080p recording, why on earth would Verizon do this? This trend will only continue and phones will consume more and more data, 2GB a month for what I currently pay unlimited for? What can I do with 2GB a month? Very little browsing and email. Forget watching video, you’ll go over. Plans should at the very least begin at 5GB. This is absurd and a terrible business model. I still can’t believe Verizon made the switch to tiered in the first place. I’ll be taking my business elsewhere if this does come into effect for grandfathered 4G users.

    • MyStroPro

      You really don’t know why they would do this?

      Simple: To force users into paying more – remember back when Text Messages and Media Messages were not free? You’d buy a premium amount based upon usage and get charged an overage fee – thereby Verizon makes more MONEY.

      I agree; it sucks for the end users. Wireless providers are shafting us hard; but its very legal and very much capitalistic. Why this is surprising so many people, I don’t know.

      Now, it could backfire when people upgrade, if in fact enough user’s depopulate the service. We haven’t seen tiered data causing people to leave AT&T is droves though, so I imagine we wont with Verizon either.

  • Dave

    Ugh, Verizon, why do you vex me so? With this news and the rumor of Google wanting to sell off contract Nexus from a variety of OEMs later this year gives me enough reason to go with a GSM/unlocked Nexus from Google. Time to jump the boat and swim to no-contract land whenever they decide to kill my unlimited data.

    • Treknologist

      I’m with you. Getting an unlocked Nexus phone directly from Google sounds better and better.

      • NemaCystX

        Google was rumored to be also getting into the carrier game, they do have spectrum they purchased back when it was being auctioned to be used as White Space and LTE spectrum.

        Carriers are always going to find ways to milk us dry, as you can tell from the tone this CFO guy was blurting out how his devious plan to get more money out of the consumer for a mediocre amount of data. All there after is money, they could care less if we have enough bandwidth allowance for what were paying for, service wise that is.

        I’m with you on the Google Unlocked phones option though, atleast I wouldn’t be stuck on a contract and I would have a pure android device that will get the latest updates without CDMA licensing issues.

  • doreen643

    Guess that’s the end of loyalty to VZW on my end. The #1 reason to stay was unlimited data that was grandfathered in. Too bad!

  • Helloooo Sprint! Soon…maybe..?

  • Devilsephiroth

    I just upgraded, am I good for two years? Or am I going to have to make a decision this summer?

    • Michael G

      I would imagine you’re good ’til your next contract cycle.

    • droid1

      if your currently on unlimited 4g your fine.

  • D-soul

    So if I upgrade and they switch to tiered then I can get out of the contract scott free and dump them, then sell the phone on ebay and use the money to go to sprint?

    • bkosh84

      No, they won’t “force” you into a tiered data until your contract is up.. You will be grandfathered into unlimited 4G for the life of your current contract. When you go back in 1.75 years to upgrade or whatever, then you’ll have to decide what to do with your plan/service.

  • asdf

    Is it known if I buy off contract if I can keep unlimited?

  • i don’t understand how they can make me go into a shared data plan when i only have one user on one device. so i don’t hold any stock in that quote.

    the only thing they specifically mention is that those coming off of 3G will be forced to move off unlimited… which is clearly due to the iPhone’s eventual jump to 4G. for now i think those of us who are already grandfathered in on 4G will be fine, unless they come out with a more clarified policy at a later date.

    if they do, indeed, come off of the unlimited data… then I’m jumping ship from Verizon.

    how about they friggin let me go lower than 450 voice minutes per month and stop messing with my data.

    • Devilsephiroth

      The tiered plans started just before the launch of iPhone on Verizon.

      • NemaCystX

        Thats correct, a lot of nasty changes happened on Verizon before the iPhone launched, and the same happened on Sprint before they got it.

        Either Apple has alot of pull or there looking to milk the iPhone buyers dry along with us current customers. (when business’s hear iPhone, they see dollar signs)

  • I have a Galaxy Nexus and have had issues (3rd replacement) I have read on the blogs where a couple of Verizon customers have filed complaints to the FCC over the lack of action in updating the G Nex in a timely matter. If they take away my unlimited data, I’ll probably look at other carriers when my contract is up later this year…..what BS. Doesn’t Verizon make enough money on 2 year contracts from all of us? Sprint’s looking better and better. Get theat LTE network going Sprint! And you could make a killing on all the Verizon refugees that will lose their unlimited data.

  • Well, guess it is time to go back to TMO. They are just as fast as LTE where I live anyway.

  • kazelement

    Good thing i have Corporate unlimited VZW

  • chris125

    Obviously beneficial to them because they will charge more for less. Greedy bastards

    • LionStone

      Hahaha…yep, NO DOUBT! I couldn’t believe I read that.

  • Jake

    Well lets just keep our fingers crossed this push only applies to new contracts or there will be law suits. And if that is the case, this story kinda ties in nicely with the Google Nexus line on the Play store in the article from yesterday. Your ancient contract unlimited plan that you can’t get upgrade subsidies without losing will now make those full price devices look a lot more reasonably priced!!

    If your using 100gb a month or something crazy and would have to pay by the GB if you go on a new contract, a full priced replacement phone and no new contract suddenly looks quite affordable. It’s all together possible Google has been counting on this sorta issue with grandfathered unlimited peeps and been planning a off contract device push to offer them an out to keep unlimited all along. And with 700mhz spectrum rules VZW would even be hard pressed to try and throttle them if a google off contract device push retains lots of unlimited deal holders refusing to upgrade to new contracts.

  • bkosh84

    So you’re saying I SHOULDN’T wait to upgrade and should probably upgrade soon so I can lock myself into 4G Unlimited for the next 2 years.. huh..

    • LionStone

      No. Locking in to 4G “unlimited” is a thing of the past.

      Edit: I see what you mean … if you have it already.

  • dixonij

    I’ve yet to be able to upgrade to a 4G phone because I’ve been deployed for the past year. A month or so from getting back home now and I find this out? If I can’t get my grandfathered 3G Unlimited data transferred over to a 4G phone after I come home, goodbye Verizon… I’m hitting the service provider free agency market.

  • John

    The grandfathered unlimited plan is the only reason we’re staying with Verizon. They will lose our family of 5 (and I’m sure many more) to someone else with unlimited if this ends up being the case. I can get a limited plan somewhere else for less than we pay now even with the corporate discount we receive.

  • coolralph

    the way it seems to is as if 4g users will be fine, and even if they pull a dick move, once the contract is over, you can always go month to month as the above post mentioned its only once you upgrade that you will me migrated to tiered data. and on top of that the last line reads “tiered /data SHARE type plan”. you cant share data if you only have one line so maybe it only applies to family plans who have multiple lines with unlimited data

  • Cyberdemon

    That’s FREAKING BS!!!!

  • Destroythanet

    I’d love it if they rewarded early LTE adopters by keeping them unlimited, unlike the 3G people who have yet to migrate over.

    • ashadan

      then you have those of us who havent been able to e”early adopt” into LTE. my upgrade hits next month so I havent even been able to consider it without paying an arm and a leg for a 4g phone at full retail

  • rockstar323

    I don’t think they are going to force anyone off of grandfathered plans when this goes into effect because you can claim material adverse change and get out of your contract with no ETF. What they will do is force anyone upgrading to a 4G phone, including those already on an older 4G phone, to change to a non-unlimited data plan. They’ve done stuff like this in the past and they will tell you that the new phone is not compatible with that rate plan.

    • Jake

      The article about Google offering off contract phones will hopefully be these peoples out. And VZW has to allow such devices and even has the open device approval/cert website to deal with such things. So instead of upgrading you go buy a device VZW isn’t even marketing or controlling at all. Pretty sure this sorta stuff is what Google has been counting on with their plan to sell a line of devices on the play store that are unlocked and open.

      • Google doesn’t even “officially” support CDMA devices. Not so sure they’ll be selling VZW CDMA compatible devices through their site. I hope so, though.

  • ryancooper143

    looks like i finally have a reason to buy a nexus off contract

  • frankandsimple

    All of this is our fault.. we got so enamored by Android and Gnex and what not.. we gave the power to Verizon.. and now they’ll do as they please..

    get ready to bend over and get comfortable.

  • MagnaCartaHG

    Has anyone answered if these means people with existing 4G Unlimited? Because that’s actually why I’m on Verizon. If I lose my 4G Unlimited, I will quit.

    • LionStone

      From the article above…

      “So as you come through an upgrade cycle and you upgrade in the future, you will have to go onto a data share plan. And moving away from, if you will, the unlimited world and moving everyone into a tiered structure/data share type plan.”

  • Wow…so no more google music streaming for my daily commute. That alones rakes me in 4.6 gigs a month. I am not a happy camper.

  • LordStickMax

    actually, i didn’t read it that way at all. i read it as people starting to upgrade their phones will see a gain to shared data when they a bunch of phones on their plan.

  • Unlimited data is the only reason I stay. Thankfully I have my Nexus and Root. No update in my future. Until a quad core nexus is available. Then goodbye Verizon. They way you handled the Nexus is disgusting. And if you don’t get another Nexus then it’ll be too soon. Consider my five lines never to be upgraded and consider me gone November 2013.

  • frankandsimple

    T-Mobile is looking very appealing at the moment.. especially since the T-Mobile girl is wearing her tights zooming away on the motorbike 🙂

    • LionStone

      Haha…that girl needs to eat a hamburger 🙂

  • Shaun

    So unless there’s more to it, upgrading to a 4G device prior to this going into effect and having unlimited 4G will let me keep my unlimited data. I just won’t be able to use another upgrade at any point.

  • john

    4g uses MORE data ~ therefore it’s MORE MONEY in their pockets.

  • Michael G

    In other news, Verizon Wireless will be starting a separate site called Qwikster.

  • frankandsimple

    People.. no point in getting excited about Verizon now changing your contract. THEY WON’T!!.. Any change they have.. they’ll implement it when it’s time for you to renew your contract… or when your current contract is up.

  • TheMan876

    Looks like I’ll go to att. They have lte where I live and flag ship phones are way cheaper off contract.

  • jaxxmjd

    Looks like we might be hopping around on contracts afterall…

  • KleenDroid

    Not only are they going to begin screwing everyone out of their unlimited plans they now also charge you a $30 fee for the privilege of upgrading to a new phone on top of the price for the new phone. For me Verizon is looking less and less attractive with all the changes only meant to serve their bottom line. I have 5 lines that I would be very happy to take to one of their competitors if they continue to dare me.

    • LionStone

      Hey Mr. Kleen, where ya been !? I have 5 lines too but this friday I will be down to 3! Eehaw!

      • KleenDroid

        I’ve been around… I just try to think of something intelligent to say but just can’t come up with anything… 🙂

  • Goodbye Verizon! Hello, Sprint!

    • Josh Groff

      I’m fine with my 4GB promo cap (largely use WiFi anyway,) but I’m also opening a Sprint line so I have unlimited somewhere.

      • I didn’t think I would use more than 2-3gb a month, last month, I went over 5gb. I was surprised that I did because I normally don’t. I recently upgraded to a 4g phone and I’ve gotten that taste of speed and free to do more. To Verizon’s credit, I don’t think any other carrier covers as much area they do or is expanding 4g as quickly. Since they revised their plan to say that if I bought my next phone at full price and bought it to them I could keep unlimited, I might stay. It will be a while until I have to renew, maybe they’ll change their minds by then. 🙂

        • Josh Groff

          When they announced that plan, I was relieved, I typically buy 3-4 phones a year off contract to “upgrade” and sell the old ones. Might just activate a secondary line (with just unlimited data, is that possible?) If not, I’ll just ETF and activate off contract.

          • To activate a 2nd line with a separate number unlimited? I don’t think that’s possible. They’d probably insist it needs to be on a tiered plan (probably if it’s just data. I think that’s what they do with their tablets). My sister had a Droid X and she made a bet with my niece that if she got straight A’s she’d give her the Droid. She got Straight A’s and my sister honored the wager. When she told Verizon and they wouldn’t let my niece have unlimited, she ended up on tiered (they should have just exchanged phone numbers… heh)

  • KRS_Won

    What about if you are already grandfathered into 4 g unlimited?

  • Jeffro

    Can someone please clarify? If your are 3g and move to 4g you loose your unlimited data. If you are already 4g you lose your unlimited data when you upgrade your phone next? I am currently on a 3g unlimited off contract. Is it worth is to get on 4g now? I wish Sprint didn’t suck and I didn’t have such hatred for ATT and everything they do.

    • mate1

      You may want to get a 4g device on contract. They will probably put you on tiered data sometime this summer If you don’t upgrade.

    • LionStone

      Yes. Yes. Yes. And to your last question…yes.

  • Umm, I thought this was common knowledge. Those of us that have unlimited now will get to keep it until we renew our contract.

  • famouzstarz

    thats it im streaming hulu, youtube, everything 24/7 till big red shuts me down FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU! shamWOW!!!!!

  • Sprint here I come!!!

  • JCS

    Good thing Google is moving Nexus to open markets rather than through carriers. Gonna be interesting to see how they handle just changing phones rather than upgrading through VZW.

  • Smooth918

    Plain and Simple, Take away my Unlimited Plan, Lose a Six Device Customer.

  • gallery69

    That’s it. Cancelling cell, cable, electric, mail, car insurance, job and moving to a cave in the mountains like a terrorist.

    • LionStone

      Hahaha! Yea…I’m going OFF GRID too and sharpening up on my smoke signals!

  • Derek Stiles

    What if I have unlimited 4G and my wife is still on unlimited 3G? When she upgrades do both of us get put onto a shared plan?

  • Well, hey, I’ll be honest. If you take away your loyalty to ME as a decade-long customer, then I’ll take away my loyalty to you. Pure and simple. If it goes down this way there is no reason to NOT “go where the phone is”. A competitor offers a phone I want – off I go.

  • Fattie McDoogles

    How many of you crying already have 4G phones? No one has said anything about people who are ALREADY using LTE service. This SO FAR is just for 3G customers upgrading to 4G.
    And how many of you upgraded within the last year and wanted to be cheap and not get 4G phones because you didn’t wanna pay the extra money for them? The price you pay for being cheap… Don’t get me wrong I think this sucks and I am sure that EVERYONE will eventually have to move to tiered plans but you can’t be mad at Verizon if you didn’t get a 4G phone because you were being cheap.

    • LionStone

      Whuuut? My 4G phone cost the same as my previous 3G phone.

  • Wait, so as I understand it…you are only forced onto a tiered data plan if you “upgrade” your phone. Theoretically, you could keep the unlimited data plan by buying a phone off contract, right?

    • Yes

      • tbaybe

        we can only hope

  • willsours

    I’m ditching them for a prepaid service next time I get a new Nexus anyway. F$%^ Verizon.

  • jaymez007

    “So as you come through an upgrade cycle and you upgrade in the future, you will have to go onto a data share plan.”

    So if you never upgrade, they can’t push you?… guess that idea of Google’s selling the phones direct may be the way to go….

    • Yeah, except for the chances are slim that we’ll see CDMA devices sold by them.

  • blakjakdavy
  • EC8CH

    “And that’s beneficial for us for many reasons, obviously”

    god what a dick

  • ajavgeek

    republic wireless looks super cool now….

    • Josh Groff

      It’s been looking super cool, I’ve been following them since the first beta wave, waiting until they get a decent phone to open up a line with them.

  • sith77

    ya know what . lies about ICS , crappy billing , delay after delay in phone releases punishing long term verizon customers . im done good by . my 12 business phones and personal family plan going to another carrier . good by big red

  • asdf

    Is it known if I buy off contract if I can keep unlimited?


    Its fine guys, as your 2 year contracts end and they want you to upgrade Say no. Some carrier will step up and deliver what customers want. If that wont be verizon, they will lose the business and after a certain point you will start to see unlimited data again. I don’t really even care about Unlimited, just make the normal monthly usage a reasonable amount.

    • Big_EZ

      Maybe another carrier will step up and offer decent coverage, doubtful though.

  • I have vzw and a 4G phone. I live an hour south of chicago and only have access to 3g, but I go to chicago all the time. I turn the 4G off on my phone because my battery only lasts about 3 hours on 4G. However, I’ve used 8 gigs on my phone in one month, and i thank god i have unlimited data. What I dont think God for is my phone bill which is $200 A MONTH. I dont need lightning fast speeds on my phone, I need reliability.

  • faganm24

    What about my grandfathered unlimited Alltel plan? Loophole? I hope so…

  • sonicyoof

    How can we contact this dick directly?

  • I don’t care about the speeds, I need unlimited data… This will not be happening to me. I will either start buying at full retail or they will let me out of my contract with no ETF. I’m I’m getting tiered, I’m going to pay less. I refuse to pay 30 for 2gb when I currently pay the same for all the data I want.

    I don’t mean to sound like a whiny piss-ant, but as a customer I’m getting sick of getting squeezed from every angle. This is asinine. As an employee w/i the industry (bbym), I’m sick of not having the right answer for any of my customers.

  • gregwilliams

    “So as you come through an upgrade cycle and you upgrade in the future, you will have to go onto a data share plan.”

    I am definitely not happy about it, but…this should mean I still have unlimited for 1.54 years, I’ll take it!

    Edit: Since I’m already 4G that is

  • droid1

    What a joke..

  • Bryan schultze

    Take away my unlimited and give me no reason to stay

  • I’m gonna start a petition to change the name of VZW to “Douchenozzle Wireless”

  • Sqube

    Welp… hope El Goog comes through with being able to sell LTE devices directly without my having to go through VZW.

    If that doesn’t happen, I’ll probably just end up getting devices retail. That unlimited contract loving is just too sweet to give up.

  • Greyhame

    This and the Nexus initiative.. all I needed to hear to switch to a GSM phone/network.

  • EC8CH

    in for the shitstorm

  • If you are grandfathered on 3G, you’re automatically grandfathered if you upgrade to a 4G LTE device. The only thing they are not grandfathering is 3G aircards. If this move only affects 3G units, I’ll cancel my aircard and wireless tether on my phone while saving $59.99/mo.


    Luckily foe me when I upgraded last year I went to 4g unlimited plan. This move by Verizon is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever heard of. This could very well bankrupt them. I have a total of 11 phones through big red, they will lose slot of business just by me dropping them if they pop yahoo this into action this summer.

    • MG_USMC

      * if they push this into action *

  • If you have a 4G LTE unlimited data plan now and you buy your new phones off contract, then you’ll continue to keep your unlimited plan, right?

    • Cyberdemon

      I was thinking the same, just buy a phone and go online and switch it right?

      • They could get you when you do a switch online.

        However, if you just move a SIM card over from one phone to another, what are they going to do then?

    • Dave

      That would be my guess since this appears to only happen when you sign a new contract/agreement.

    • Jake

      Pretty sure this will be the case. If it isn’t there will be law suits that make it so. Technically they might be able to throttle you as your original agreement on pricing didn’t specify speeds, but FCC rules for the 700mhz spectrum VZW is using could be used to attach VZW legally if they tried to throttle heavy old contract unlimited users.

    • New_Guy

      I certainly hope that’s the case. i could definitely see people jumping ship over this and I’m curious as to know how many customers they’re actually going to lose because of the move; especially since this is an effort to “make more money.”

    • NemaCystX

      I doubt it, because in order to activate you have to choose a plan. When you do, Unlimited won’t be there as an option.

    • I don’t think so…as someone said above, contracts work both ways. After two years and your contract is over, they also don’t have to abide by the terms in your two year contract. So if you by a phone outright and don’t renew your contract and go month to month, they can charge whatever they want because you have NO contract, hence they can charge what they like. And if you want a contract, you will be forced into a tiered plan. As I see it, we ride out our current unlimited contracts, and then either go tiered or find a new provider

  • Sean Bello

    so when this happens obviously your contract is void. can you tell them to cancel it, but stay on a month to month plan so you can just leave whenever you want?

    • It doesn’t void your contract. The TOS won’t change until your current contract is up and you re-up/upgrade phones.

    • frankandsimple

      this is not happen all across the board on one single day. it will only happen when you are up for renewal.

  • Guest

    HA!!! HA!!!
    All of you fools cheerleading a corporation like Verizon, and now they prove that they do not care about you. All they care about is taking your money and lining their pockets while providing the minimal amount of service to you.

    • Nelson Munz

      Stupid Disqus. Let’s try this again
      (In a Nelson Munz voice)
      HA!!! HA!!!
      All of you fools cheerleading a corporation like Verizon, and now they prove that they do not care about you. All they care about is taking your money and lining their pockets while providing the minimal amount of service to you.

  • yanx

    Who cares? This is great news for all current Android 4G LTE users. VZW said they wouldn’t allow users to grandfather unlimited data plans when going from 3G to 4 G. Think of who is currently on 3G unlimited plans. That’s right. The iPhone users. Whenyou upgrade from 4G to 4G, all you need to do is switch the SIM. They can’t force you to switch your plan.

    • Big_EZ

      If you want the subsidized price you’ll have to sign a new contract and agree to their new terms.

    • Maybe we are thinking about this the wrong way.

      It is really just a fee on iPhone users.

  • paj

    AT&T has better reception in my home area and at my cabin, I get better discounts through work on AT&T, I have yet to hear of AT&T having data reception issues (constant with VZW), my kids are on AT&T, I travel to Europe and AT$T works over there, and now I get to pay more for my poor data service? I think I’m an idiot for staying with VZW this long…

  • Lambo_21

    this is definitely not ethical, but i think is boarder line illegal moving people to new plans from what their contract says

    • The TOS won’t change until your current contract is up and you re-up/upgrade phones. So it’s not illegal/unethical.

      • Lambo_21

        after re-reading it, i misread it the first time and skipped over i guess the part saying new or upgrade contracts. completely misread it. my bad there.

  • Good to see Verizon is continuing to reward those who have stuck with them for so long by finally forcing them into tiered data.

  • Mike Kilar

    Hey at least Sprint has unlimited data and allows Google Wallet without workarounds!

  • frankandsimple

    “once unlimited 3G data plan customers upgrade to 4G LTE, they will have to purchase the company’s shared data plan”.

    This doesn’t make a lot of sense. I don’t have a family plan.. just a single account with the grandfathered unlimited data. I am ALREADY on a 4G device..

    so how is this going to affect me?

    If this comes thru I will finally have a good reason to get out of CDMA network and their crappy device support/adaptability/OS upgrade issues. Unlimited Data is THE ONLY reason I am with Verizon.

    Also, they will have to do this either at the end of your individual contract, or let you go without ETF.

    GSM will be the way to go for me after this.. and I’m seriously considering T-Mobile.

  • Mark Lewis

    FTC, please investigate wireless carriers for collusion.

    • NemaCystX

      it makes you wonder since AT&T is also going to be getting shared data plans too, it makes you think that something is going on behind the scenes that the carriers are plotting behind your back with more ways to take every penny we have.

  • WickedToby741

    T-Mobile is looking better every day now.

  • shdowman


    They can’t take it away if you are currently on contract. They will hit you when upgrade time comes. Now, knowing the way things work currently, just buy your phone without contract and maybe you get to keep. Although I doubt it…

  • ajavgeek

    I don’t understand, even if I have “unlimited” plan, most of the months I use under 1GB and paying $30/month. I think they will loose money if most users use less in reality, and users who will move to other’s carrier will be bigger loss. Not sure what is thought behind….

    Any way, I guess now I can buy GSM version directly from Google, and can use outside US as well.

    Well done Big Red…

  • siphyn

    I’m laughing at everyone wanting to go to sprint. Why? So you can be a part of a network that has 300kbps 3g and no LTE network to be found. Wimax is dead and will be a part of Virgin mobile MVNO. Seriously T-Mobile is the better option. Anyone who switches to sprint will be sorry.

  • fillyo

    Slow down everyone, this is all speculation, I am grandfathered in on unlimited 4G. I would leave on principal along, IF this happens. But, I am just not worried right now.

  • d4owner

    So I went from a OG D1(3G) to a D4(LTE) while under unlimited data plan for both, am I under the “grandfathered 3g” or “grandfathered 4G?”

    • Sean Bello

      both, technically. you keep your grandfathered 3G and you automatically got grandfathered into 4G when you got your D4.

  • Rob

    suck it Verizon, I’m out in 3 days from my contract, and 2 months with my other 3 phones!

  • teejaycard


  • Oh hey whats up Sprint. How ya living?

  • Lenesse Berg

    I’m anxious to hear what will happen to the people (like me) who are grandfathered in and already on 4G…

    • Kyle Fullmer

      It says they are phasing unlimited out, just starting with newcomers. We will all lose ours eventually.

      • Lenesse Berg

        Sprint it is I suppose….Verizon is becoming the shittiest life sucking black hole I’ve ever seen.

  • Kyle Fullmer

    And that is the last nail in this coffin. My next new phone will unfortunately not be a Verizon phone unless I get a definite 2 years unlimited data with it.

  • Dan

    Come on now really, did we not all see this coming?

    • LionStone

      Yes we know…it’s just a little more information has been introduced so it was time to revisit this topic.

  • Yep….time to go. Been with Verizon since before they were Verizon. Guess it’s time for a change. Maybe another company can give me a phone that works cause the galaxy nexus sure lost it’s hype.

  • Ok, can we start getting articles about how other carriers stack up again? I think a lot of us are going to be shopping 🙂

  • Corey Foltman

    If they cancel my unlimited data, thats them ripping up my contract and letting me out for free…AT&T will be glad to have my nexus and my money….$30 for 3gb sounds better than $30 for 2gb…unlimited data is one of the few things keeping me with vzw.

    • bkosh84

      They won’t cancel your unlimited unless you go in to upgrade (from 3G to 4G) and extend your contract. You basically sign another contract when you go in and upgrade at the allotted date they give you and it’ll say in the contract that you have to accept these new terms or don’t sign up.. One can’t simply just take away your unlimited..

  • That will be the last they see of me. Unlimited data is the ONLY reason I have continued as a Verizon customer, I can get a much better rate elsewhere.

    • Lenesse Berg

      same here…

  • I’d have a lot less of a problem with the data tiers if they all weren’t so pitifully low. Its asinine to advertise a networkphone that can do everything from browsing to netflix and then set the tiers so low you can’t actually do that without going over (or outrageously more expensive to use data levels that are in line with prior patterns of growth)

  • toastedpet

    Wouldn’t they have to give people the option to opt out of the contract since they’re changing it? Sprint or T-Mobile here I come

  • Well that’ll be a cause to break contract and jump ship to Sprint. Boom. Done.

  • I thought the biggest positive for verizon was that they had great phones…errr wait that’s not it…great 4G service…err nope that tends to mysteriously “go down”….low prices….errr not exactly….ah that’s right….unlimited data….ugh no more of that? Well at least they’ll be great at being paper weights.

  • If that’s the case, I am not resigning with them. Period.

  • Damn… I am going to have to figure out a way to get someone else’s signal out here.

  • If this is true and even ‘grandfathered’ plans are being removed, then this should constitute a major change in the financial burden placed on a customer; which should be sufficient grounds to terminate contract without the infamous ETF. Looks like I’m moving to Sprint.

  • BulletTooth_Tony

    Glad I hopped on the double data promo…. it expires June 3rd this time around. I expected a 2 GB throttle… but this is surprising.

  • ricky siebold

    i’m not even that upset by this… i’ve been so frustrated with the nexus problems and big red that i’ve really just wanted a reason to be able to leave and this is it. i’m going to miss lte but a true nexus is more important to me. sprint here my five lines come 🙂

  • what does that mean for 4g LTE unlimited plans???

  • interstellarmind

    Yeah, goodbye VZW. In a way, I’m kind of glad, cuz now I get to nuy phones I actually like on different carriers. You fucked up royally, vzw. You will lose my $200/ month family plan to a.cpetitor.

  • All I can say is that if my unlimited 4G LTE is taken away without my consent I’ll happily leave Verizon that same day with zero ETF and T-Mobile will get my business an hour later.

  • I was going to wait to upgrade to 4G until the Fighter came out, but Maxx it is!

    • 1324356565

      You will not be disappointed with the Maxx, battery life ftw.

  • r0lct

    They obviously want it done before they get a slew of new contracts signed for the iPhone 5.

  • If they take my unlimited data away before my 2 year contract is up (which I just signed when I got my Galaxy Nexus) then that should void the contract. At which point I may very well be shopping for a new company to give my money to.

  • Verizon used to be such a great carrier. I waited years to get on their service, and they finally moved to my area a little over 5 years ago. Been with them ever since. And this is the kind of garbage they want to pull. Every major decision they’ve been making over the past year has frustrated me more and more. And yet, there is little choice for a better carrier. Prepaid customers on Cricket and Boost Mobile get better treatment… This is ridiculous.

  • Don’t like the sound of this, sprint here I come bye bye verizon & your 4G LTE I love my unlimited data & won’t give it up unless we get shred “unlimited data” paying only one price.

  • Derek Stiles


  • Verizon will be dropped if they do this… I’ll pay T-Mo…

  • oneeyejack

    So can we cancel our contract when they do this without an ETF?

  • David Hussey

    There’s a sh*tstorm a-brewing!

    • LiterofCola

      Oh yeah there is

  • Kevin

    Not good not good!

  • All these complaints are the same ones voiced by AT&T customers when they data capped. Remember, what one carrier does, they all will eventually follow.

  • Mike Kilar

    Take away my unlimited data on my 2 lines and I shall not be renewing my contract with VZW this summer. I use sprint for work and yes they maybe slower but it’s unlimited. Sorry Big Red, you lost my 125 bucks a month.

  • This doesn’t make any sense. They got an undoubtedly large population of subscribers that are staying with Verizon just to keep unlimited data. Its a way they can lock people in w/o a contract, and now they want to get rid of that?


    get the lube ready, Verizon is coming to screw you hard!

  • Sweet now I can switch to a GSM carrier.

    • albertadds

      what does it matter if everything is going LTE?

      • Roaming and compatibility. A GSM+LTE phone works worldwide.

        • albertadds

          This is the only benefit and only if the device is unlocked.

          • Here’s the catch: I don’t live in the USA.

            In Europe it’s explicitly forbidden by law to lock phones to carriers as long as the phone is not a subsidised device on an active contract.

          • WCDave

            I’d say having a phone that you can take elsewhere in the world (say, you move home) is a considerable benefit, though!

      • Snow02

        The ability to bring your own unlocked phone.

        • albertadds

          This, I understand.

      • Because you can’t have a true Nexus with CDMA in the way.

        • albertadds

          …sure. It won’t matter soon enough, when Google introduces multiple unlocked devices under the “Nexus” moniker.

          • …without CDMA, because CDMA is not an open standard.

    • chris125

      Agree this was the only thing keeping me with Verizon. At least then I can get any phone I want

    • AnotherAndroidKid

      This is my route. I travel enough to need a phone but not enough to justify a $400 new travel phone. Being on VZ has really left me handicapped in my travels, especially in gps/data.

      If VZW takes away my unlimited data (i use 4-8gb a month) i have no reason to remain with them at this point.

      • LionStone

        Wait a sec…VZW has left you “handicapped” in your travels? How so exactly? I travel quite a bit domestically and VZW has been an asset with GPS and 4G data speeds. Maybe you mean international travel?Wait

        • AnotherAndroidKid

          Yes international.

          Almost any network in the states will cover me where I need to go domestically.

  • If they change the agreement, it’s grounds for canceling service w/o a penalty. Not ideal, but better than being stuck.

    • zepfloyd

      Undoubtedly it will be when you upgrade devices, or your current contract runs out. Clearly this was done intentionally before the next iPhone, where the last big group 3G unlimited plans are.

    • WickedToby741

      They won’t change your current agreement, just make you change when you have to sign a new contract.

    • Fattie McDoogles

      They aren’t changing your TOS while your under contract. They are making you agree to new TOS when resign your contract. Thus entering into a new agreement. You don’t have any grounds for canceling your service penalty free.

    • “So as you come through an upgrade cycle and you upgrade in the future,”…

      This means that your current contract remains unlimited, but any further contract will not be.

  • HeneryH

    Does this mean we can look forward to the cessation of the stupid “oh, wait, forgot I had unlimited, buahaha” comments from the tools who continually like to rub it into our faces?

  • Wait NM this is only for 3G customers and when they move to 4G LTE

  • Detonation

    His quote was:
    “So, as you come through an upgrade cycle and you upgrade in the future, you will have to go on to the data share plan”

    So if I never upgrade on contract and just buy my phones on my own, can they still cap me?

    • r0lct

      Once your 2 years are up they can adjust your data plan.

    • BulletTooth_Tony

      I bet somewhere down the line there will be an AC to AC2 or Nationwide voice plan change with VoLTE… so they’ll catch you at that time and force you off.

  • Oh seriously, WTF? If they are going to push me into a tiered/capped plan, they damn well better (AT LEAST) give me tethering for free. Seriously screw that noise.
    In ‘Full Metal Jacket’ Drill Instructor parlance (although slightly cleaner);
    “VZW is the kind of company that would screw you in the rear and not have the common courtesy to give you a reach-around.”

    • free thether would just eat up that capped plan even faster!

      • Tyler Cameron

        From a carrier standpoint, what’s the problem with that?

        • no problem at all. i was more saying it would be useless from a user standpoint cuz you would eat up all your data so fast that you could not use your phone.

      • Yeah, but if you are paying for data allocation, you should just be paying for the data, regardless of how you use it. It turns out, on the new plans, tether _IS_ included. Go figure. Still _do not want_.

  • I don’t see anything on here about losing unlimited data if you are on 4g already…this appears to be only for people still on 3g. –

  • Stephen D

    Welp, I can get $450 for my GNex on Craigslist. The Nexus on the Play Store is $400. I just might switch carriers this summer. VZ is pissing me off.

    • r0lct

      If my company didn’t pay my bill I would do exactly that. I’d give up LTE for the bettery life in a heart beat assuming I could get HSPA+.

      • jnt

        I believe the GSM Gnex can do hspa+? Someone correct me if I’m wrong…

        • r0lct

          It does, that’s why if my company didn’t pay my bill I would be out.

  • Lambo_21

    yup looks like im leaving VZW as soon as I graduate college and get my own plan. recently VZW has been pissing me off, and like Greg Sprint looks better and better

    • siphyn

      Sprint only looks better if you don’t mind waiting 20 min for a page to load on their edge like 3g. T-Mobile is a much better option. Their hspa+ is way faster.

      • Lambo_21

        by the time i get to leave (little less than a year, maybe a little more) my family contract Sprint will have some of the LTE towers up so… hopefully they will have Philly by then haha

      • Guest

        I agree. Sprint’s 3G is pathetic; it is super slow. T-Mobile is a better option, and their pre-paid is a good option if you do not want to get stuck in a contract and do not to sign up with a pre-paid provider that offers lame phones. The Galaxy Nexus GSM phone works great with T-Mobile (and AT&T) and Google is selling it without a contract.

  • Verizon CFO: Unlimited Data Plans Going Away, All Users Pushed Onto Sprint

    • shdowman

      Trust me, as someone with a phone on both VZW and Sprint, this is more like a punishment than anything else…

    • Sprint sucks. Like really really sucks. I guess the only silver living (I guess?) is that now I can switch back to T-Mobile and have the Meizu MX. That’s been my dream phone for quite some time now.

    • Mack

      Not sure about Sprint but I have an upgrade towards the end of the year and if they try to force my to give up my unlimited data when I get a new phone then I’m gone. The unlimited data is really all that is keeping me from leaving.

      • Mack

        I wonder if I paid full retail on a 4G phone if they would realize and still try to force me off unlimited data. Technically if I pay full retail then I’m not “upgrading” (thus allowing changes to) my current contract.

        • Jake

          If they tried this, there will be law suits. You are paying for a service level at a price you agreed too. They can’t up and change that service agreement pricing because you choose to use a different device with it. There may be some odd legal way they could get away with that if you purchased the full price device from them, but pretty sure it shouldn’t happen if you buy it from Best Buy or something. And if you buy a 100% nonVZW marketed open device from Google if they offer them later, I am pretty sure there is NO WAY they can mess with your unlimited and have legal ground to stand on.

          • I hope your right, however this is taken from the VZW customer agreement as far back as 2009:
            “We may change prices or any other term of your Service or this agreement at any time,but we’ll provide notice first, including written notice if you have Postpay Service. If you use your Service after the change takes effect, that means you’re accepting the change.”

          • Michael

            Aren’t they breaking the contract if they change a key part that is what you are getting for the price agreed upon? And by notifying you ahead of a time, does that mean that you have an option to opt out of service then since they change it???

          • When you get a new device on contract, you are signing a new contract and your unlimited plan goes away. The new contract is where they will slip in the new plan. ENTER GOOGLE’S NO CONTRACT PHONES TO SAVE THE DAY!!!! (I hope).

          • Google’s phones will probably be GSM only.

          • That’s the word on the street, yes. I am holding out hope though.

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          • rodney11ride

            Exactly what i was thinking… google knows this is going to happen. att will follow suit , sprint will stay the same then go bankrupt..

          • Ha ha ha ha! The Sprint part made me laugh out loud! I would write LOL, except that I’m not a teenage girl.

          • William Peterson

            But you did write LOL and Rodney is a funny name for a girl

          • Context of the LOL usage is what saves me :^) (happy faces are ok for men) I am trying to be funny and don’t know who Rodney is, but she sounds beautiful.

          • William Peterson

            I hear ya. My post was mainly focused at @rodney11ride ‘s comment under yours. All is good. 🙂

          • clay

            AT&T is already on a tiered and i must say it is great. u get what you pay for.

          • Droosh

            Unfortunately, I don’t think that Verizon can offer no contract phones for CDMA carriers unless the carrier agrees to allow the device.

          • qb14

            Of course they can change the pricing structure on customers who aren’t
            under contract with them. A contract goes both ways. You agree to
            subscribe to a service at a set price for a set period of time. Once
            you’re off contract, so are they. If you’re going month to month, there
            is nothing from stopping them from changing the price whenever they
            choose to (as long as they notify you in advance), just like there is
            nothing stopping you from changing service providers.

          • qb14

            Of course they can change the pricing structure on customers who aren’t
            under contract with them. A contract goes both ways. You agree to
            subscribe to a service at a set price for a set period of time. Once
            you’re off contract, so are they. If you’re going month to month, there
            is nothing from stopping them from changing the price whenever they
            choose to (as long as they notify you in advance), just like there is
            nothing stopping you from changing service providers.

          • AE35

            Why are people not understanding this? Buying a phone on ebay isn’t going to save you if you’re off-contract.

          • dqw

            this^ now wondering if i should get the unlimited LTE tethering package now added to my plan for 30 bucks more. and buy phones off contract

          • 1ofdakoolkidz

            You missed the catch “you AGREED to” past tense. When you add a new phone on they will make you choice a new 4G plan which re-negotiates your terms. The only way would be to buy a phone off the internet (e-bay).

          • Crack monkey

            In your agreement there is a clause that states they can change plans and pricing with little or no notice. They have covered their bases long ago. The only thing they will respond to is a large number of people jumping ship when they change the plans.

          • Michael Quinlan

            Sure they could. All parties are relieved of the contractual obligations at the end of the contract term. Once you’re out of contract, you are no longer obligated to continue service with them, but by the same token they are no longer obligated to provide you with service, much less continue providing you with the same service at the same price. Once your contract has expired, they can change their prices and/or services provided at will, and your only recourse is to cancel.

          • AndroidUser00110001

            Well the contract states for 24 months, so after the 24 months they are free to do what they please. They can even refuse you service, turn off your line and tell you to sign up again.

            I do not think it is right or fair but the majority of people in this country will follow what the herder says and just go with it. If enough people would actually make a stand then these companies would listen.

          • John

            “our liability if things don’t work as planned and how any disputes between us must be resolved in arbitration or small claims court.” = No lawsuits. link for Verizon contract agreement: http://www.verizonwireless.com/customer-agreement.shtml

          • AE35

            If he is off-contract, they can change the terms to anything they want. It has nothing to do with upgrades. It only matters if you’re under the protection of a contract.

            I’m month 2 month on a DInc. If they canceled unlimited tomorrow, that would be the end of it since I don’t have an agreed upon price under a current contract.

          • clay

            they can do as they wish as long as they notify you. the point you are missing is that when you upgrade you will be pushed into a tiered plan. they can change the terms of their contract anytime they want. it is just like if fb wants to sensor the things that people post… it is their social site that they are allowing you to use. you have no say so in the business deal that Verizon, AT&T, Sprint or T-Mobile makes. if Google comes with a great deal on phone service it may send Sprint on a walk. who knows. switch to AT&T

          • zzmonster

            This contract that all you user ignorantly refer to if u actually read it says vzw can change pricing and services u may be able to get out of ur xontract due to change but not sue if u had actually read the contract u would know tjis

        • You shouldn’t be forced off until your upgrade date. I’ve paid full retail for a new phone before I was eligible for an upgrade and it didn’t change my contract status / upgrade date.

        • 1ofdakoolkidz

          They would still make you, I worked their, they would just eliminate the option in the system all together and call it an old plan and force you into one of their new plans in order to be on the network.

          • Jake

            Never heard of this if you aren’t looking for an upgrade or to change your plan or anything. Not even sure I have heard of notices going out to people their plan is getting killed and they need to chose new ones for that matter. Could have happened before, but I know enough people that have had the same cell plans with all the big 3 for years and years and never had such a thing happen. Shoot my brother even got forced onto AT&T from ALLTEL when VZW purchased them and his region was not allowed to goto VZW so had to goto AT&T and they left him on the OLD OLD ALLTEL plan with unlimited and everything upto today.

        • Jake

          I agree they can probably technically change your pricing or service terms without your authorization legally, but this is something that will cause adverse reactions from consumers so the approach will more than likely be to get you when you want to upgrade your device. It is highly unlikely they could start sending notices that your unlimited is done and you will be on this plan paying this much, and not get lots of law suits and customers running to other providers. At least initially that will the the only push through upgrades to be sure. That could move to actually messing directly with stubborn unlimited white fisters, but I think it would take LOTS of people doing that and something that gave them confidence those white fisters wouldn’t just reply to such notices with law suits and service cancellations?? I don’t know what would give them such confidence though and I am one that will be a white fister with my unlimited.

      • possomcrast

        and the fact that verizon really does have the best service in most areas

    • Buy This

      Ha this was exactly my thought. Here’s the thing. I think the people that are actually serious enough to make that move are a vocal but still small minority. I think there is a general dissatisfaction with Verizon across a broad demographic simply because Verizon’s policies just don’t come off that great (i.e. 30 dollars at time of upgrade for “classes” or whatever). They aren’t disgruntled enough to jump ship though because Verizon’s 4g DOES kick ass. Those customers that Sprint does absorb will likely end up costing them money in the short term (see deal for adding iphone to sprint’s lineup) Verizon will maintain its huge customer base and probably continue to grow.

    • Sprint throttles. It’s not unlimited.

      • John

        And, at least in my area, the coverage and speed is crap

        • They start rolling out their 4G network this summer.

      • Sprint doesn’t throttle; however, it does have spotty coverage. It’s great for me where I live, but not so great just a few miles away.

    • 1MPR0BUS

      If they take my grandfathered unlimited data I am out hands down.

      • Same here…i am already paying around 200 a month for 2 lines…take my unlimited data away and i am out…i will go to sprint.

        • Nick Klenchik

          Same here, but AT&T

        • Droosh

          Same here, but probably will go to T-Mobile through a cheap bring your own smartphone plan from Walmart or Simple talk, or equivalent.

    • Jake

      Or atleast to Google for device purchases so you can retain your unlimited plan and just use open nonVZW marketed devices!

    • Yeah, Sprint could come away HUGE because of this… As long as they play their cards right.

      • Bill

        i.e., have a working LTE network and keep their unlimited plans. Being a Sprint customer I’m worried that Hesse will leave and the unlimited plans will go out the door right along with him.

        • Indeed. They’ve already shown that they’re willing to do some of the things that VZW has already done, according to the recent announcement that they’re getting rid of their early upgrade program… so that’s not a good sign. But hopefully they won’t go much farther than that.

      • craig

        Sprint cant come out huge, they dont have the network in place to keep their current customers happy. So a huge influx in new users wont make it better for them. Also please read sprints contract as they only offer unlimted on their network and sense they have a smaller network most people cant benefit from their service outside of metro areas

        • Which is why I said “as long as they play their cards right”. They’d absolutely have to make a lot of network improvements in order to handle a huge influx.

          • DealWithIt

            I doubt Sprint is going to do anything to improve their network. They’re making money off the data overages and data roaming. Might make some improvements, but not enough to kill the cash flow from the overages and roaming.

        • Benny Yenson

          Sprint can offer “unlimited” data because they know they don’t have the network coverage for it. Instead they make money off the data roaming and data overages from their so-called unlimited plan.

          Read the fine print and you’ll see that you get unlimited under true Sprint coverage areas. If you don’t happen to be in one, and you’re in a romaing partner network then you’re capped at 650mb and then charged when you go over that.

          Where I live the only part were Sprint unlimited data comes into play is along the major interstate that runs through my town. Step half a mile from it and Sprint customers are now under the 650mb data cap.

          So in reality any of the big cell carriers is pretty much a lose-lose situation. The only way for the consumer to win is to stop carrying a cellphone.

          • Derek McCoy

            I’m a Sprint customer and have been for 10 years. Sprint’s unlimited plan covers roaming as well. Have not been charged for roaming for over 8 years now. When I travel some times I use more than a Gig off network, never been charged.

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  • So you’re saying that once they introduce the shared plans they’re going to take our unlimited plans away at that point or once we do our next upgrade?

    • NM

      I believe once they introduce the shared plans, that’s all she wrote. Unlimited data is no more.

    • r0lct

      I don’t think anyone knows yet. Better off waiting on the official announcement.

      • Not waiting. I want to fight someone NOW

    • WAldenIV

      They take it away on your next upgrade. They will only have 4G phones at that time so they will force you into a 4G shared data played.

      I’m just going to keep buying batteries for my Droid X every couple of years. #3G4Life

  • Jigga_Z

    This means that the biggest positive for Verizon is going out the window. Once I know I’ll be kicked off my unlimited plan, I don’t have a huge incentive to stay on Verizon for my next upgrade (considering that by the time that rolls around, at the very least AT&T will have a competitive LTE network, and maybe even Sprint)

    • Corey Foltman

      you wouldnt have to stick your contract out…them modifying your plan renders your contract void…you’ll be able to get out for free.

      • Haxcid

        You need to read the fine print on the Verizon contract that says they can make any kind of changes to your plan and contract and it does not render it void or free from the ETF.

        • Corey Foltman

          ive heard of it happen before and people get out for free.

          • NemaCystX

            If thats the case, bye bye Verizon in the very very near future for me.

        • Corey Foltman

          ive heard of it happen before and people get out for free.

        • EDNYLaw

          Clauses like that will not hold up in court (I’m not giving free legal advice here, though I am an attorney, and I urge anyone to consult with an attorney or do some research first but…) when a contract is entered into, one cannot at their whim, choose to alter it, though it may be in the contract that they can do so. This is called an illusory contract and is unenforceable. In order for Verizon to change the contract they would have to inform users (actually inform them, not just assume they were informed based on some fine print in their contract) and the user would have to accept the change, thereby modifying the contract. If the user does not accept the change the contract is breached and everybody walks away. Just thought I’d drop some legal knowledge. :p

      • Besides, this occurs during the upgrade process. You don’t “have” to upgrade if you don’t want to, so vzw wins.

  • Richard Wolff

    would drop verizon so fast it would hurt

  • Dan Lopez

    Well goodbye big red. This was the only reason why I was sticking around.

    • Haxcid

      Agreed. While Sprint reception sucks here, they have unlimited data, I still have yet to see 4G services. If they drop my unlimited data then do 4G I am gone. I can get better phones, prices, and data plans with Sprint.

      • Well, if this comes true and yesterday’s rumor of Google selling 5 unlocked “Nexus” phones directly through their play store that can be activated on month to month plans with no contracts I may have to adopt that route. Unlimited data has had me tied to Verizon (happily so) but if I lose that it’ll be cheapest plan/best phone route for me!

        • Google Wireless

          With Google’s big bank account and the purchase of Motorola why not buy T-Mobile and roll out it’s own 4g network and take Android OS from all the other carriers

      • What good is unlimited data is reception sucks and speeds are slow?

    • sc0rch3d

      same here, but it’s not like ATT or Sprint can match the speeds of VZW LTE. i’ll probably whine and moan for a month, but utlimately i’ll probably save 40 a month by getting rid of text messaging and getting a cheaper data plan (since the unlimited plan is an old bundle on my account).

      • Kyle Fullmer

        Do you really need the speed though? I have never needed more than 4-5 mbps. The only time I need the 30+ speeds is when I am flexing my peen and rubbing it in an iPhones face…

        • Sqube

          I stream a lot of video. So… yeah. The more speed, the better. Also, since it’s my connection and I’m paying for it, I’d like to be able to occasionally use my phone as a tethering device without having to sacrifice to the dark gods.

          • Kyle Fullmer

            As long as you have a solid connection, speed doesn’t impact streaming as much as you think. Anything over 5mbps isn’t really needed. Now tethering yes, the more the better. I guess I don’t really know what ATT and T-Mobile have speed wise, but I know the 20mbps I get at home on Verizon is simply overkill.

          • Philip A. Kaiser

            I used to stream video just fine on 3G, but I get your point.

          • Sqube

            VZW’s 3G must be astonishing where you live. If I top 1mbps, it’s cause for celebration.

        • sc0rch3d

          if you use GMusic or Pandora regularly….yes speed matters. and that’s only 1 example.

          • Kyle Fullmer

            You can stream Pandora without hicup using 3G, at least you can here in Maryland. Streaming doesn’t take the speed you might think it does.

          • LionStone

            Yes that’s right…Pandora will stream fine in 3G, heck, if the wind blows just right , I can get it to stream in 1X at one job location…not always but sometimes.

      • For me this is a moot point because when I leave VZW in 2013, AT&T or Sprint will have good LTE coverage. And the next Google Nexus. Verizon won’t. Verizon made the choice for me yet again. Thanks Big Red.

  • sofunnytom

    F NO.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    What about folks who already have unlimited data on LTE?

    • anyone?

    • Mark Lewis

      Bend over and get comfortable.

      • LiterofCola

        I lol’d

        • Nexjersey

          Your not the only one! LOL

    • Fattie McDoogles

      No one knows… I’m sure we will get flipped eventually… but at the moment it doesn’t look like this effects us. *knock on wood*

  • r0lct

    Where are all the people who said it would never happen? Please renounce your commentator status.


  • Bullsh!t



  • Jeff Tycz

    I better not be sharing 2gb of data through everyone in my plan we would be f’ed

  • Perroloco

    As if they don’t get enough money from our pockets.

  • Greg Morgan

    I think we all knew this day would come, but still not happy with it. I was already thinking of dropping VZW and switching to Sprint. Looks like this might be the final straw.

  • I can already see the online petitions being created by enraged Big Red customers….

    • yeh

      Absolutely. This is pathetic.

    • r0lct

      People should be screaming and petitioning over unlocked phones that work on both Verizon and ATT. That’s the only way we’ll see real competition and lower costs.

    • MG_USMC

      I’ll sign it.

      • Jacob121791

        I’ll sign all of them lol

        • New_Guy

          Right there with you brotha…this is BS. The ONLY reason I’ve been with VZW for so long is because I still have unlimited data. I’ve even talked my wife into staying with for that reason. once it’s gone, so am I.

          • I’m afraid too many of us will be stuck with them because of the mobile to mobile free and good coverage. In my area, there’s no competition. I don’t even known anyone on AT&T.

    • sc0rch3d

      as i said in another forum when i saw this quote…

      “come through an upgrade cycle” – what if i already have unlimited LTE as part of a grandfathered plan and i buy my next phone online thru ebay…then what?

      • Edwin M

        This was my thought exactly when I was reading through it. I got my Rezound back in November and still have unlimited data. Let them take it from my cold dead hands!

        • lonz77

          This will likely only work if you have an unlimited data plan on contract. As soon as your contract is over, VZW is allowed to change the terms of service, and you have the right to change carriers or terminate service without a fee.

    • Pass that petition here. I’ll sign it!

    • RoadsterHD1

      I’ll sign it for sure, if they take away our data i’ll take away my business.

    • 1ofdakoolkidz

      What good would it do?

    • Benny Yenson

      And how’s that going to do anything. I doubt VZW is going to back down from this. Sure you can bring up the $2.00 charge for paying your bill, but VZW only backed down when the FCC and Congress called for hearings. However this is different. This is something that is a part of their network. Which they own, lock, stock and barrel. Essentially it’s their ball, their court, their RULES. The only way consumers can win is not to play at all. Sorry but petition all you want, but it’s not going to change.

      • AndroidUser00110001

        “Sorry but petition all you want, but it’s not going to change.”

        Good thing our forefathers did not have this attitude, we would still be under Britain’s rule…

        This is the attitude of what is so wrong in The USA today. People will just lay down to whatever. Consumers can play…with their wallets. Once many of us realize that we are what enables these companies to do do business we can then make our rules that they will have to play by.

    • dwaynaz

      Pathetic ain’t it?