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Report: Google Convinces Samsung to Dial Back Tweaks to Android, Axe Own App Suite

According to a report out of Re/code, you and I weren’t the only ones in the industry who had a problem with what Samsung tried to do during CES with its Magazine UX on the new PRO line of Galaxy tablets. Google was apparently “dismayed” by it as well, as it stood as the ultimate departure from the vision of Android that Google has worked so hard on over the years. This report claims that the two companies began working out a “series of broad agreements” during that same week to hopefully reel in Samsung and their take on Android to better align it with Google’s. 

As you can imagine, the exact details of these agreements have not been made public, but sources suggest that they could involve the killing-off of Magazine UX for future products, while also eliminating the suite of Samsung Apps that have flooded devices in recent years. Google would have Samsung push Google Play apps instead of their own music, app, and movie services, all of which most Android enthusiasts wouldn’t touch with a 30-foot stick. The group of apps disappearing could also include ChatON and WatchON.

The report claims that there is a growing threat to Google from manufacturers who are putting out Android devices that lack their services, so by partnering with Samsung to continue to push them, that threat could be diminished with Samsung as the leader in Android by a long shot.

Keep in mind that Google and Samsung also announced a patent cross-licensing deal this week.

We won’t know the effects of these supposed meetings for some time, I’d imagine. But in a perfect world, it could mean that Samsung will dial back TouchWiz, let Android stand on its own, and kill off water droplet sounds and whistles for good.

Via:  Recode
  • Feicherman

    I read a lot and see most of you rregularly. This is actually my first post, I think. My thing is, isn’t the whole point of Android to be a wide variety of choice for the consumer. I own a Samsung note 3, had the 2. I really like what they do. I believe it’s very user friendly to the average consumer. I guess I would have to consider my self that. My point to I suppose, is, if you do that like it can’t you just… Not buy it? Go a different way? I’m not trying to be dense or anything, it just seems there are many options of hardware, software and even to include rooting so what IS the problem? Again, really not trying to start a war here just don’t get it…

  • tom riddle

    So getting rid of Motorola was part of the concessions from Google…..?

  • Garemlin

    The sad thing is these apps and Touchjiz appeal to the masses. They like pretty colors and animation with easy use UI. No different than store bought PC’s and laptops. The general public has no idea what AOSP or vanlla Android is nor do they care. And the general public make up a large chunk of their customer base.

  • esplana28

    come on Samsung, deliver us pure android experience not your bloated and laggy version of android!

  • etche

    ohhh those “water droplet sounds and whistles”.. couldn’t hate them more! It’s the stupidest thing ever.

  • Davros

    I feel like this has a lot to do with their recent patent agreement.

  • droiduser53

    Having gone from a Nexus 4 to a note 3 a few days ago, I can see google’s point but some samsung stuff like smart scroll, multiwindow etc I’d love in android. But yeah magazine ux was just too much.

    • Ben Edwards

      I think all they’ll do is scale back some of the more unnecessary things (like Samsung’s Google replacement apps) and hopefully bring the look of the TW launcher a little more in line with stock Android while still keeping some of their more unique features like multiwindow etc. I highly doubt we’ll ever see Samsung go the route of the Moto X (for example) and have a near stock experience.

  • Such

    Removable batteries, micro sd & scaled back touchwiz to create a somewhat stockish Android on a Samsung phone? CAN’T WAIT!

    Clearly Google knows at this point that HTC, Moto & LG will never do what Samsung has done. Now that Moto is going to be under Lenovo, it’s a wrap for some of these OEMs. Google is putting their Eggs in the Samsung basket especially with their cross licensing deal. About time Google finally wised up.

  • Rocketdaddy

    I could now consider a Samsung phone again in the future. Loved my galaxy nexus but have been put off by the Samsunginess of everything else lately. There have been some good ideas but the implementation hasn’t often been to my liking.

  • chris125

    About time!! Make a more stock like Samsung device and 99% of complaints will be gone

  • Travis Walls

    My friend just ditched his Galaxy S4 and went back to an iPhone. He hated the experience on that phone, and, therefore, he hated Android. The sad part is that most of what he disliked was probably caused by “improvements” made by Samsung. For example, “I hated the keyboard autocorrect in Android!” “You mean the Samsung keyboard?” “I guess so.” I wish he had had a chance to work with a stock version of Android before forming the opinions he did. He previously had a Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, and that experience wasn’t much better for him. The problem is that he kept going with Samsung because they’re so popular, and that seemed like the safe choice to make each time he looked for a new phone. The freedom given to manufacturers like Samsung to change the Android experience could actually be detrimental to the success of Android in the long run.

    • Yea but see that’s not really all Samsung’s fault either. Your friend could have done just a little of his own research and realized virtually everything is interchangeable and customisable in Android, from the keyboard, to the launcher, to the whole ROM(OS). All he had to do was look on the Play store for the Google Keyboard or another launcher, or just ask any Android guy how to switch things around to his liking, that’s the beauty of Android.

      • Travis Walls

        That’s easy for enthusiasts like you and me. We like tinkering with our phones to make them work how we like. My friend wasn’t ignorant. He knew all about options for changing out things like launchers, etc by going to the Play Store. He chose not to because he would rather not have to tinker with a phone to get it to work in a way that he felt it should out of the box. I suspect stock Android would have worked better than Samsung’s answer to how Android should be for him. Maybe he is better off with an iPhone after all, but I still think my original point is valid.

        • Yea I mean it is a valid point, I guess that’s why I am always rocking an AOSP ROM, stock minimalist look with just enough custom options. Just saying most iOS user’s are used to one way or the highway they forget to realize Android is not like that, that is I guess a downside to them, but an upside to me.

  • Suman Gandham

    Could this be related to the Moto sale? Give a little, get a little…

  • Colton

    Just buy Samsung, Google. Don’t be scared…

  • Rodeojones000

    I think the important thing to note is that nowhere in the report does it say Google is forcing Samsung to dial down TouchWiz. This is about Magazine UX. I doubt this will mean the end of water droplet sounds, ugly gingerbread-like icons, and general lagginess that one will find with TouchWiz.

  • Jeremy Martin

    This is probably the reason why Google is selling off Motorola to Lenovo. Samsung probably pointed it out as a reason why they were doing this was because Google is a threat to them while owning Motorola. Google should have laughed at Samsung and made Motorola even greater. Instead they took the safe road and conceded to Samsung since, and its true, to most people Android is a “Galaxy”.

  • mrjayviper

    probably get downvoted for this, but whatever happened to openness? I thought that’s the purpose of Android. It’s all about choices. right? And manufacturers have to differentiate their product from others.

  • WestFiasco

    Lol, the most commented on article in a long while. I too am interested in seeing where this goes.

  • Disqus_n00b

    I don’t see Samsung’s Android as a threat to Google. All it takes is one flop offering (GS5, or GS6…) or major improvement by a Moto or HTC…and suddenly Samsung is no longer #1. No one is staying with Samsung for TouchWiz…most phone buyers don’t even know what it is, or that other phones have different UIs.

    It is not the same cult following like Apple.

  • Stone Cold

    This makes me excited for possible future Samsung projects.

  • Daistaar

    While not a big fan of Touchwiz, I did find WatchOn to be pretty useful.

  • irtechneo

    I kind of liked it…for the best I suppose 😉

  • wmsco1

    Samsung CO said out with the old ways and called for new innovation (software). Samsung app store. Samsung proprietary. Google, Time to reign in and get situation under control.

  • John Legere
  • Orion

    They are not getting rid of Touchwiz completely but scaling it down is a good start.

  • Fandroid


  • coolsilver

    That’s fine. I love my S4 but I am serious about a GPE phone in the future anyway. This would eliminate that problem for me.

  • Kenny CS

    I had a feeling this was going to happen, anyone remember the “Google Editions of the Galaxy S3 and S4?

    • Ben Edwards

      When was there a GPe Galaxy S3?

  • TechWings

    I, for one, think it’s a good idea to have Samsung pump the breaks. There’s something to be said for uniformity in something like the settings menu. I shouldn’t have to struggle to help my mom with her phone because Samsung has changed things so much that I have to pull up YouTube videos to see where the have situated things.

  • DJ SPY

    I don’t see what the big deal is. I don’t like touch wiz or the LG Skins but, stock android is pretty bare bones and lacks A LOT of useful things. It’s what sets companies apart. It would be pretty boring if all handsets looked the same. Besides, Google pretty much copies other OEMs and custom launchers for the new versions of Android.

  • jnt

    What about Tizen…

  • Hector De Jesus

    After a while, it’s hard to even distinguish the difference between all the different Android devices. Different OEM, current OS, same tired gimmicks under a new name.

    • flosserelli

      You obviously have not spent much time with the Note 3, LG G2, Moto X and Nexus 5. Four completely different philosophies.

      • Hector De Jesus

        Not really. Since I’m on Verizon I refuse to buy into anything other than a Nexus device.

        • flosserelli

          Then I hope your GNex holds up, because it will likely be the last Nexus on VZW.

          • Steve B

            Oh snap

          • Hector De Jesus

            I sold my GNEX and bought an iPhone. I can’t get T-Mobile in my neck of the woods. Sucks.

          • Hector De Jesus

            I sold my Gnex and got an iPhone. I’d rather live in hell than have a skinned Android phone on Verizon.

  • s2knj

    I’ve been in the market for 10″ tablet. As an android guy, I wanted to get an Android tablet. Since the Nexus 10 is over a year old and Samsung tabs have awful touchwiz, I bought an ipad air. I returned it the next week because I was bored to tears with it. I waited for the announcement of Samsung’s Pro line at CES and was appalled by the Magazine UX interface. If they drop that nonsense and move closer to stock Android, I will buy one assuming there will never be another Nexus 10. I know the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 is an option but I just can’t bring myself to do it. Their skin is just too ugly, not too mention all the bloatware included.

    • Defenestratus

      The nexus 10 is still a GREAT tablet especially at the prices you can get for it. The screen is still top of the line and the FF speakers are awesome.

      I don’t leave home without it.

    • flosserelli

      I am hoping a new Nexus 10″ will arrive this year.

  • DKowalsky2

    The only things I really enjoy about TouchWiz on my GS3 are the camera UI/features, and a handful of the motion actions (swipe side of hand for screenshot, direct dial, etc.). My next phone was going to likely be Moto, but if Samsung can inch closer to stock Android, I’m a big enough fan of their hardware to be on board.

  • wills96

    Wow I might actually be able to consider a Samsung device again at some point in the future…

    • jimt

      Still going to have the awful apple button on the front, no thanks.

  • jrgray27

    This would be a VERY smart move by Samsung if they want to keep control of there majority dominance over the smartphone world when it comes to at least Android. But I find it hard to believe that they will, and if they even do this at all, that it was because of Google strong arming there best vendor…but we will see.

  • Sankyou

    I still don’t quite understand why Samsung is so successful with their phones. Do people buy them because they are known for making good TVs? No matter how many times I recommend a different phone to someone – they come back with a GS4 and I am too nice to tell them they made a 2-year mistake.

    • Cesar

      It’s the power of marketing. Samsung has created a well known brand, and they spend tons on marketing it.

    • Intellectua1

      What would you suggest

      • Sankyou

        It depends on what they want but right now it would usually be a Moto X, a G2 or an iPhone. I also like the HTC One and Nexus 5. GS4 Play Edition is solid too.

    • Defenestratus

      Despite what you may think, Samsung phones are actually quite good. I know that my Note 3 is wonderful once I ripped out all the samsung software from it. The specs are top notch and the screens are gorgeous.

      If you think plastic phones are bad, then I guess everyone who puts their phone in a plastic case is just a dummy.

      • Sankyou

        The plastic thing doesn’t bother me one bit. It’s the bloat. The phone doesn’t even resemble the product Google is trying to represent. Then these askholes come in and want to discuss it with me for 30 minutes and go buy an S4. I do think the hardware is fine overall.

        • Tim242

          Average consumers couldn’t care less about Google’s vision of Android.

          • Sankyou

            Right but it’s important if the O/S is going to remain relevant. It’s a tricky situation. Who knows how successful the Android platform would be without Samsung… Overall I’m just happy to see Moto becoming relevant again while pushing the envelope and sticking to the “vision.”

      • jimt

        Get rid of touchwiz and the apple button and even I would recommend one. Love my Nexus 5, however.

    • John Legere

      I told somebody to get the G2 cause it’s been months since the GS4 came out. You know what they said “Well, the Galaxy was cheap and everybody has it that i know.”

      • jimt


    • Philip J. Fry

      Gimmicks sell samsung phones. Not that I have a problem with them, but at least make it a option to install for the people like us that don’t want/use it.

      • flosserelli

        That…and the fact that Samsung is the only manufacturer that still puts removable batteries and sdcard slots in all their devices. Some people won’t buy a phone without those.

        • Philip J. Fry

          I know, I missed them when I 1st got my nexus 5, but got over them quickly when I used my note 2 again, ha

        • John Legere

          Removable batteries are eh when phones have 3000+, and they just need to make 32/64/128

          • flosserelli

            3000+ mAh batteries in *most* phones is still months/years away.

          • John Legere

            Find 7 will have 4000(rumored) G Pro 2, G3, etc.

          • flosserelli

            Perhaps, but such phones will not represent the majority of phone sales for some time. Which is why a lot of people still demand removable batteries. People don’t want to be tethered to a power cord all the time.

          • John Legere

            No, because they don’t have the money to make millions of ridiculous commercials

    • Travis

      What non-Samsung phones do you typically recommend people get?

      To give you an idea of any bias that I might have, I own a rooted LG G2 currently, prefer a Nexus, and suggested my parents get GS3’s when they needed new phones. At that time there was no Moto X and the Moto phones were just as bloated as Samsung with worse specs for the money.

      • Sankyou

        Moto X, G2 and iPhone 5s are my three favorites right now, depending on the person. I would have happily kept my G2 if I didn’t have small hands.

        • Travis

          I would recommend the same, but I wouldn’t exclude the GS4 because I think the average person is ok with the bloat. If the G2 didn’t exist I wouldn’t even mind one myself because I know I can root and clean it up.

    • Tim242

      The S4 is a great phone. It is not perfect, but pretty damn close. I just got my mom one for her upgrade. I love mine. I returned my Note 3 and decided to wait for the S5.

  • d-rock

    This is awesome news. I guess Samsung was trying to pull a fast one on Google. This will be interesting to see if this pushes Samsung to further develop away from Android. They have so much iEnvy that they want what Apple has, including the exclusive ecosystem where they control the e-commerce (and cash flow that goes with it).

  • traumadog

    I’m sure part of this is Google saying “we can’t defend customized bloatware against patent lawsuits”…

  • Carlos ⌘ Franco

    +1 for Thankgod

  • Fresh360

    Why dont they just rip the Samsung versions of apps out of TouchWiz and add them to the app store as Galaxy exclusives that way everyone is happy. This way Samsung can have more timely updates but all the R&D money they spent on these apps wont go to waste and can still be enjoyed by those who like them.

    • Defenestratus

      Stop making so much damn sense.

      Thats not allowed.

      • Franklin Ramsey

        Exactly. This is the Internet. Logic is not allowed here.

      • VBM


    • flosserelli

      I suspect Samsung had long-term plans to fork android, create its own app store (similar to Amazon) and eventually ditch Google Play Services altogether. Considering that Samsung is the largest android OEM, Google would lose millions in revenue if that happened.

      • Nic

        You mean Google would lose millions if users fell for it and developers agreed to push apps to the Samsung store in addition to Google Play…

        • flosserelli

          Well of course. I didn’t think it was necessary to point out the obvious.

          • VBM

            I strongly doubt developers (especially good ones) would move apps to a Samsung Store. Not everyone would have a Samsung device…. I’d be out taking them out of people’s hands and smashing them.

  • Anthony Tyson

    Come on Samsung. Take the moto route. Small enhancements. Not useless changes.

    • Philip J. Fry

      Do you have a d*** on your nose? lol

      • Anthony Tyson

        Yes. Yes I do.

        • Philip J. Fry

          lol had to be alcohol involved.

          • Anthony Tyson

            Nope. Just genetics.

        • LANCE


      • flosserelli

        Laugh if you want, but he probably has no problems arranging a threesome 😛

  • Tim Wing

    Then will Google give a a stock Note like device please!!!

  • Jeff Miller

    All I want is the ability to choose if I want Samsung apps on my phone. Give me the choice to uninstall without root. Maybe give suggestions as to Sammy apps when first setting up the the device but allow the consumer to keep a stock approach also.

    • Stone Cold

      Bloatware period should be allow to be removed.

      • Pratik Holla

        Problem is Samsung doesnt consider that as bloatware. In their eyes, they are important “features” of the phone that enhance the experience. And the average android user will continue to think that the samsung HUB is the main place for apps and will use it. Thats why samsung continues to keep it.

  • Franklin Ramsey

    I hope this turns out to be more of a “get rid of half baked features that are gimmicks, and cultivate useful features so they work 100% of the time.” type talk. Some of the features on My Dad’s S4 and my sister’s S3 seem cool, but most don’t seem useful at all. I’d prefer they take more of a Motorola approach and release a few cool ideas that they implement well!

    • Gideon Waxfarb

      All I really care about is the blocking mode. They can rip out everything else but that 😛

  • David Narada Brown

    thank God!

  • chaoslimits

    Why does everyone seem to think this affects Touchwiz? The writeup doesn’t state that.

    • Steve B

      Wishful thinking. Everyone wants Touchwiz to die permanently.

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    Watch them take away the battery percentage option.

  • Cesar

    Way to take the reigns, Google. Maybe future Samsung products will actually be useable.

  • Ultimately, if true this means less customer choice. I thought the Magazine UX looked pretty cool personally. And let’s be honest, Google’s vision for a 10+ inch tablet interface is pretty terrible since a lot of screen real estate isn’t utilized very well. I know we all like to hate on Samsung’s UI, design, and app choices, but if you absolutely hate it…buy a Nexus. Really it’s that simple. The choice is there for you, so why eliminate the choice for us who actually love using multi-window, pen window, etc on TW devices?

    • Steve B

      Magazine UX looks horrendous. You’re the only one who’s going to miss it.

      • When did Android fans become such elitists? We were once all about choice and personal customization, not about ragging on people with different tastes. I apologize profusely that I like something that you are not personally a fan of. Really, I’m sorry. Forgive me?

        • Franklin Ramsey

          I’d be OK with having magazine UX and even touchwiz, if there was a choice to turn them off. I agree, Android is open for choice and customization. If samsung gave us the option to take their apps and UX off the device, so much the better for choice. You could have it if you want it, and can get rid of it if you don’t!

        • John Legere

          Because it doesn’t even look like Android. Google wants people to enjoy android for what it’s supposed to be. Not a bloated, laggy OS.

          • So buy Google’s vision of what Android should be, aka a Nexus. AOSP code is free for OEMs to take and do with it as they please. What people think of as “stock” Android isn’t actually “stock” Android, but Google’s vision of what Android should look like. Think of it as “Google’s Android”, versus Samsung’s Android, or HTC’s Android, etc. Again, YOU have that choice, so why should it be OK to limit mine? I have a Nexus 10 and had a Galaxy Nexus before retiring it for a Note 3, and a Nexus 7 2012 before selling it because I felt it was a bit too small for my liking to use as a dedicated tablet. I’m more productive on my Note 3 a lot of the times precisely because of what people are saying is “bloated, ugly Touchwiz”. Yes, the color scheme is not to my liking and the icons/menus are still Gingerbread-ish. But features like multi-window, pen-window, smart stay, etc make me more productive and give me a more enjoyable experience. I would have liked to see a 10-12 inch tablet that utilizes its screen space a bit better than Google’s vision of what Android should look like on that size of a device. BUT I also understand people who don’t like or want it or even hate it.

            I would never demand that Google make their version of Android like Samsung’s because I wouldn’t want to force my personal choices on others. So why are people so quick to do the same?

          • jimt

            There must be people that like bloat. Somewhere.

        • Steve B

          You’re forgiven, but you’re still the only one that’s going to miss Mag UX.

          • jimt

            Again, he could get it from the app store if sammy put it there.

      • Intellectua1

        I actually liked it..

      • Why so hostile? I liked how the Magazine UX was and normal TouchWiz too. Does that make me retarded in the brain or anything? Would you like to comment on how bad my choice is? People have these things called opinions, and it seems you can’t even put what you really feel in the comments sections without BS attacks like that.

    • jimt

      Just get it from the app store if you like it. Let us regular people have stock android.

  • A.Vox


  • Honesty, the only useful feature is multi-window

  • AtanRaca

    Am I the only one who uses WatchON on a daily basis? I can control my TV, cable and surround sound system with my phone.

    • ScottyByrd

      I use it all the time and fine it incredibly useful.

    • Intellectua1

      Actually I used watch on for a while before throwing a rom on my phone.. It’s the best remote control app out being that I could add the favorite channels with the actual channel logo and it was so easy to scroll thru them

    • Ray Gray

      Smart IR Remote can control every IR device on the planet and its way better then Watch ON i use it with my DSLR and TV everyday https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.remotefairy

      • Intellectua1

        I’ve been using Smart IR ever since I’ve installed a custom rom. That app won my heart when I found out I could control the projectors in my home..

    • Tim242

      That runs a huge resource hogging background service, because of its bloated nature. There are better remote apps.

  • Gregg Sarra

    Can they please convince Samsung to follow suit and do away with the hardware home button as well…PLEASE?

    • Philip J. Fry

      That would be the icing on the cake.

    • NastyEmu

      Some of us prefer a hardware button. Isn’t one of the great things about Android having the choice to get whatever hardware options work best for you?

      • Gregg Sarra

        I absolutely agree that it is great that Android has so many little details for people to choose from. I only say this because I personally do not like them and would potentially use a GPE S5 if it has on screen buttons…just my preference.

        • MrAdeio

          Sammy is notorious for making multiple variations of the same hardware, yes? Perhaps they can make one model of the S5 with hardware buttons and the other without.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            Nah they don’t do this .. why would you think they did? 😉

          • mrjayviper

            but not the same model with different features. there are any Galaxy but nothing like the premium A and Note lines. And the premium lines are often the face of the brand.

      • Steve B


      • Alseddiq

        I prefer hardware buttons. soft buttons sucks when playing games.

        • Guest

          It kind of depends. KitKat has a new Immersive Mode but that only applies to some apps. But when you’re rooted, well, the sky’s the limit 😀

    • BrentKensey

      I’d take that happily, but the damn menu button should be the first to go.

      • NastyEmu

        I like the menu button too(just used to it I guess), but Google has started to remove its functionality from their apps so I think its days are numbered.

        • Steve B

          Thank god.

        • Anthony Tyson

          They did remove the menu button in the pro tablets. It’s a recent apps button. Although still in the wrong order.

    • Intellectua1

      I agree I’m tired of hardware buttons.. They claim they’re redesigning the S5 in and out so hopefully it’ll have on screen buttons

    • Steve B

      Please, this.

      Can we start a petition for this?

    • Defenestratus

      Love my Note 3, but I’ve removed every ounce of Samsung crap from it. Running the Nexus 5 GEL and rooted to get rid of the crap like PEN.UP and WatchON and ChatON and knox – while keeping the nice features like smartstay and the stylus apps.

      But I cannot get rid of that damned hardware button no matter how much I try. Every time I have to push it, I die a little inside.

      • Nex


      • Tim242

        You don’t have to push it. Add the on screen buttons and disable the hardware buttons.

      • ostensibly

        it could be worse, your home button could have VERIZON branded across it.

    • Jarred Sutherland

      While I didn’t like the home button … I think it was more around the lines of how thin it was. Hard to press while holding the phone in one hand.

  • I don’t think they’ll pull back all of their software. What about the stylus friendly apps on Note devices?

    • It does seem against the idea of Android to ask someone to dial everything back. Samsung has actually done some pretty innovative things here and there, so maybe it’s more of a “you better kill that Magazine UX crap…or else.”

      • Franklin Ramsey

        Hopefully it was more a “you better kill off half baked features that are more gimmick than useful… or else.”

  • Jack3D

    Wonder how the Tato feels about this…

  • Philip J. Fry

    One can hope. I love the notion of dialing back touchwiz.

    • John Legere

      When it takes up 7gb+, that’s when you know to stop.

      • Philip J. Fry

        Definitely. If touchwiz didn’t lag so bad, I might could use it again…..maybe. But Iv’e got used to stock android so that would be kind of hard.

      • Pratik Holla

        We will soon start seeing 32gb samsung phones with 15gb occupied for touchwiz garbarge. Samsung: Clogging our phones with dirt, one feature at a time!

    • Intellectua1

      Then it would be a boring Nexus phone.. Like it or not Touchwiz separates Samsung from the rest and it’s what sells phones. Touchwiz isn’t going anywhere nor is any of its features.. It’s most likely the magazine UI cause you would’nt be able to tell it’s an Android phone..

      • John Legere

        Touchwiz doesn’t sell. Marketing gimmicks sells.

        • Intellectua1

          And the gimmicks they market are part of Touchwiz which makes it Touchwiz.

          • John Legere

            Ask anybody why they bought their phone. They’ll say “cause it’s a galaxy” 9 times out of ten.

          • Tim242

            You are correct sir.

          • Philip J. Fry

            All it is gimmicks. Ask any normal person on the street what kind of phone they have. I bet 2 out of 3 people will say it’s a “galaxy”

          • Intellectua1

            Well that’s what it’s called right? It’s not called a Touchwiz phone. It’s a Galaxy phone. I don’t get the point of that reply

          • Philip J. Fry

            No. It’s called a galaxy note, galaxy note 2, galaxy note 3 and so on.

          • Intellectua1

            You’re no longer making sense read my reply about the gimmicks being Touchwiz then you come out of left field saying most people will say they have a Galaxy phone then I say we’ll that’s what it is and you reply back with that.. You lost me man..

          • John Legere

            Bottom line- people buy to have a “galaxy” Not for the software.

          • Philip J. Fry

            I did go out alittle bit on that one….whoops.

          • Intellectua1

            Lol its cool the Samsung articles always get a bit heated..

          • John Legere

            Hipsters. Just like everybody says “iPhone”, not 5, 5s, 4, 4s.

          • Intellectua1

            I normally say S4, Note 3 etc.. I’ve never heard anyone use the term galaxy.. They always just say what type of galaxy it is..

          • Ryan savini

            My girlfriend calls her S3 a “Galaxy” …. Not a galaxy s3. I kind of die a bit inside when people ask her what phone she has

        • Cesar

          This, pretty much. I’m willing to bet 99% of people who use Samsung phones have never even heard the words “Touch Wiz.”

      • Philip J. Fry

        Did I say get rid of it completely? Just dial it back some. It’s way to bloated as it is.

      • Rodeojones000

        Nexus phones are not boring.

  • diehardbattery

    I agree with just about everything but keep the WatchON app

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    • John Legere

      Exactly. Google should be worried about all that bloat crap.

      • Scott Webber

        Other than maybe the internet globe, all those Samsung icons look HORRIBLE.

        • itznfb

          Thought the Samsung browser IS pretty much the worst browser available on Android devices… the application ugly makes up for the lack of ugly in the icon.

          • I would have to disagree with you sir, I actually happen to like Samsung’s browser. It performs just as good as the Chrome browser. You’re just on the “iHate Samsung” bandwagon and feel the need to point out everything they do as a “flaw”.

          • moew

            As an ex-galaxy s4 and note 2 user, I can also say that the samsung browser was crap. Nothing rendered right, things were very slow, and they tricked you into thinking that their default browser was the “android browser”. I’m not sure what you mean by “performs just as good”, but that was hardly reality.

            It’s also not hard to hate on touchwiz, no matter how much you want to like it!

          • itznfb

            I don’t hate Samsung. I hate the Samsung browser…. because it’s garbage. The only times I ever have performance issues or freezing issues on my Note 10.1 is when I use the Samsung browser.

          • Don’t Be Evil

            At least I can watch flash videos on samsung’s browser unlike chrome. Chrome is great when I want to bypass flash ads and load up a page faster and am not watching video content, which is why I have Chrome beta, but I need a browser that’ll work with flash as well. As much as I hate samsung’s sucky browser and it still crashes periodically at least it has flash use.

            I had to download a special version of flash from xda and load dolphin, jetpack, and fiefox beta, which all crashes horribly 2 out of 10 times when trying to watch videos on the net with my N 7. There is NO excuse why Google can’t incorporate Flash into chrome mobile with phones as powerful and advanced now like the desktop version. Except that Google doesn’t want you watching TV and Movies for free, becoming stingy like Apple, that’s whay apple didn’t support flash ever because people could get content for free.

      • VBM

        It’s OEMs taking advantage of AOSP and overstepping their boundaries. I’m all for diversity in devices and companies but Samsung, LG and HTC have been going overboard.

        • FYI, none of the Google Apps above are from AOSP. Even the calendar app is closed source. OEMs are taking advantage of the Google centric Android ecosystem, not AOSP. I think it’s fair to say that if an OEM releases an AOSP Android device w/o any Google propietary apps, the target audience of this site probably won’t like it too much (unless he/she turns to install the “non-official” ways of installing the Google apps, but that’s a different story.) Put it simple, one of the biggest advantage of the Android system is its vast selection of apps, which is NOT part of AOSP. Just look at the Kindle. IMO, it will remain to be a niche player in the tablet market mostly because of its small selection of apps, and the rudimentary backend services provided by Amazon (without Google’s core Android Framework, Amazon has to rebuild a lot of basic service required by today’s smart device from scratch, or license it from third party products that are inferior to Google’s offerings.)

    • Jon DeMarie

      srsly! I had an s3, note 2, s4, and note 3 that i gave up for the moto x… the nature sounds are so annoying… i even used and like the LG g2 for a few weeks with no real desire to root it! With a samsung device i feel like i need to root it because I hate touchwiz and all the annoying nature and water drop sounds…

      • Jarred Sutherland

        I’ve never had a device run as slow as a Samsung. All the crap they have to put in there to attract people that love shiny objects just slows things down to a crawl over a short period of time. There is zero reason that a quad core device with 2GB RAM should run like my old S4 did.