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Specs for the Motorola “XFON” XT1058 Appear in Benchmark: 720p Display and Dual-core Snapdragon S4 Processor

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The “XFON” from Motorola is no longer much of a secret now that it has been both pictured and found cruising through the FCC. It’s the phone you are seeing above that leaked months ago, at least all signs point to that being the case. While Motorola could easily have some tricks up its sleeves for this device that will “wow” us in the end, current info from a recent GFXBench benchmark pegs this device as a mid-range Android handset. 

According to the system info of a device benchmarked with the model number XT1058 (same as the “XFON), we’re looking at a dual-core Snapdragon S4 Pro processor (MSM8960T) clocked at 1.7GHz and a 720p display. You can tell that it’s the MSM8960T rather than the MSM8960 because of the Adreno 320 GPU inside, which is the same GPU that you’ll find in devices like the Nexus 4. But yes, it’s only a dual-core processor that was released in early 2012 and not even the Snapdragon 400 (only an Adreno 305 GPU though) or 600 that Qualcomm is producing for 2013.

We’re also finding that it lacks a 1080p display thanks to the benchmark showing a resolution of 1196×720, which also suggests it will have on-screen navigation keys. But we already knew that it would. We aren’t exactly sure what size the display will drop in at, but we’ve heard both 4.0″ and 4.3”.

You can see from the benchmark that this is the Motorola “Ghost” and is headed to AT&T. “Ghost” is a codename we first reported back in mid-March along with a handful that Motorola has in the pipeline.

Last, the device tested was running Android 4.2.2.

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Update:  We are seeing stories floating about which suggest it could have some super secret processor and GPU combo that will dominate all phones and Google and Motorola are simply disguising it. I hate to say it, but with a screen resolution this low, coupled with a decent GPU and processor, these numbers aren’t anything to get overly excited about. Look, the Sony Xperia SP and Xiaomi MI 2A both crush the HTC One and Galaxy S4 in an on-screen test if you take these tests to mean anything. Both are running the same processor/GPU combo as the XFON, yet likely have half the RAM. These tests clearly do not show that we have something secret going on or that the XFON is going to dominate the One or GS4 overall. Benchmarks do not tell the full story, ever.

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Here is the image pulled from its FCC filing. As you can see, it’s identical to the device pictured at the top of this post.

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So, mid-range, right? I’d imagine that Motorola is going to make this device insanely cheap with a processor that old and a display straight out of 2012. Standards for high-end smartphones these days have risen to 1080p displays and the latest and greatest processor for Qualcomm, two things this phone lacks.

Keep in mind while this phone may be disappointing from a spec standpoint, it’ll likely run stock Android, see updates at an incredible rate, and utilize LTE networks.

Via:  GFXBench | Techtastic

Cheers Zomer!

  • alex

    well see what people have to say when it’s only 200 bucks off contact and works over lte……

  • mike jones

    I’m pulling for Motorola I hope they become a top contender again we need competition for samsung there at the top of their game and there not gone want to innovate if they have no one to compete with. So we need more manufacturers stepping up so that people can stop saying samsung is android which is not true.Motorola is going stock with little bloatware just like what they did with the droid razr family and bionic thats what us as consumers need less bloatware and samsung isnt even close to even give up their bloatware infested phones. But i agree with bionic that obviously this is the mini version Motorola isn’t dumb enough to release
    this as their flagship phone. There trying to focus on the less techy
    consumers by releasing a mid range device at a good price. I believe
    that bionic is right and we all just need to be patient and wait till at
    least quarter 3 or 4 for the flagship device to be released with a
    snapdragon 800 or nvidia tegra 4i.

  • Y8

    i like motorola because it’s for men” the logo has M letter in the behind” i hope that motorola will become as famuous as Apple

  • >> I hate to say it, but with a screen resolution this low

    I hate to say it, the above line really doesn’t sit well with me. When does a 720p ~4″ become a “low-res” display? It may not be a 1080p display in the current flagship but a low 4″ phone hardly needs a 1080p display anyway. I just hope that it isn’t Pentile.

  • bucky500

    I’d be all over a phone on par w Nexus 4 but with a smaller (4 in) screen. I may be in the minority but I want a phone closer in profile to iphone, I’d even go smaller. Unfortunately w android smaller form = lesser specs.

    Give me a capable, durable phone that’ll last all day with a small form factor and I’ll buy it! I’ll sweat the pixel-density on my tablet but 720 still works for me w my phone (420 even if price is right)

  • Motorola “XFON” XT1058. I like use it. Thanks Specs

    • Bionic

      habla english?

  • wtf is this bs

  • Bionicman

    i think many here have commented that if this isn’t the real “X phone”, and the real one comes out later this year, it’ll have to compete against some amazing phones like the new Nexus for example. it would behoove Motorola to get the real X phone sooner than later.

  • LOL at Moto fans.

  • dgarra

    Do people honestly care about 1080p on their phones?

  • T55

    Yawn …

  • Matthew Morrison

    well that was fun! can’t wait for the New Nexus rumors to start…

    • Verizon

      What Nexus?

  • alrey7

    All i want is a razr with updated specs that is available in ALL CARRIERS. lovee the design of the razr or atrix hd is pretty close. I dont mind the screen being 720p but i would like a porcessor with a quad core and a better camera. That is my wish list, but a I can only dream right?!

  • S4 PRO is Quadcore Krait isn’t it???? Like in Nexus 4, Xperia Z, DNA, Butterfly????

  • Antony

    That’s you called X phone?? If it is, it’s a big let down!!!

  • Q

    *Hugs Galaxy Note 2*

    It’s OK, Samsung will make sure Android endures since Moto and Google dont get it.

  • GCurry

    Bought the OG Droid the day it came out. Since then, Galaxy Nexus, and then Nexus 10. My use of phone is changing. Being old, my eyes don’t like to watch movies on the phone. I want a reasonable screen, 720p, fast processor so it can multitask and not bog down. Media stuff I like the Nexus 10 for. I like simple unlimited voice, txt, data plans. I like pay-go, low-cost plans. I like the Nexus 4 and T-Mobile. I like Mot manufacturing quality. The XFon might be just right for my design center. I want it simple, fast, durable, cheap, utilitarian.

  • InvaderDJ

    Isn’t this supposed to be a 4.3″ phone? This could be a version of the RAZR M for at&t which has a nice screen, something I know a few people would want. I definitely don’t think this is their flagship or the device that has really been rumored.

  • I’ve seen several reports that there will actually be two versions of the Xfon. A larger, 5 inch version and a smaller, 4 inch version with both sharing the same design but different internals. This could be the smaller of the two.

  • Let’s give google some credit; I bet there is something hidden that will “WOW” us! I mean come on, google is all about the Wow.

  • anthony jones

    Soooo….is this phone real yet, or still a figment of our imagination?

  • anguy

    Well do those benchmarks mean that the phone is faster than S4 or ONE (disregard their higher resolution) or not? I don’t think it matters on 4.3 inch phone if the resolution is HD or Full HD, you won’t notice it. But if those benchmarks are true this phone will LOOK like it’s faster and smoother and you won’t notice lower resolution on smaller display.

    Or did people really expect 1080 res on 4.3 inches? NO display is capable of that.

    • anguy

      Also if you compare this phone to other 720 phones it destroys them all – despite the fact that it sho haveuld similar chip. Now maybe it’s 2gb RAM that does that, but does it matter?

  • paul_cus

    Commence disappointment.

  • Kevin Guinn

    Key item to remember. Nothing points to X Phone with this phone. Only what’s been shown to be XFON. Google of all people are smart enough to play this game.

  • PSP

    I’ll wait for the sequel, XFON HD or XFON MAXX with 1080p and at least a 4.7 inch screen…

  • breadable

    Gad Damn! I love X phone talk!


    Another android letdown.

  • Rodeojones000

    Settle down people. This isn’t the X-Phone we’ve all been hoping for. That’ll come later.

    • Bionic


      • Rodeojones000

        Well played.

  • Verizon

    It still cracks me up that so many are ready to jump in and complain or bash because this isn’t what they wanted or expected Moto/Google to release. Grow up a little, not every phone is designed for tech heads. Some phones are designed for the average person, like the iPhone.

    Those that are calling out Bionic and thinking this is “THE” X Phone he was listing specs for need to take the time to actually read. This is still the “Ghost” just like it was when it was mentioned the last 20 times. This isn’t the major phone Google/Moto have in the pipeline. That is still probably another 5 or 6 months away. The actual X Phone really will compete with the GS4 and HTC One.

    • nvitone23

      Exactly…except for the point that it’s 5/6 months off, we’ll see it earlier than that according to Sarge

    • Bionic

      mid to late Q3, meaning by september

      • Verizon

        My bad. I was counting May for some reason.

  • Bionic

    Oh my god you people simply DO NOT LISTEN. THERE ARE TWO X PHONES. This one is less powerful with a smaller battery and etc….

    The 5 inch version is the main x phone and will come later. How many times do I have to say this until you understand?

    • nvitone23

      he has said this for months lol

    • Verizon

      I’m guessing a few hundred more. Reading isn’t a strong skill with some.

      • NexusPhan69

        While I can easily see the consumer and manufacturer benefit in doing the S4/S4 mini design thing, the 4.3″ screen on this phone and recent comments from moto about too much emphasis on specs and big screens makes me doubt an XFON and XFON mini. I really really really hope I’m wrong and crazy and Bionic is right. Not looking good…

        Clearly this phone and clearly >4″: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EKWvphCUeQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

        Moto comments: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417822,00.asp

        • My best guesstimate is actually 4.5″ diagonal. Comparing it to the iPhone 5, you can see that is is ~3-5mm taller, and ~10-15mm wider. With ~2mm on either side for a bezel, and ~12mm top and bottom bezel, a 4.5″ screen fits perfectly. Which would be an incredible feat of engineering, and easily the most compact device to date.

          • NexusPhan69

            4.5″ means there is an even lower chance of a XFON and XFON mini. I think you’re right tho. The on-screen nav keys can make screens look smaller. When he rotates it, it’s really a lot bigger than the iPhone screen. Good call.

        • Verizon

          Don’t worry, you are wrong. There are two different phones.

          More than that actually.

          • NexusPhan69

            Then what is this 4.3″-4.5″ phone? Not the XFON at all? Bionic said this is the XFON mini. Well 4.3″-4.5″ doesn’t sound too mini to me. Also doesn’t align with what he said about the mini having a 4″ screen.
            I really like the design tho. I’m hoping it’s 4.5″ but with better specs than the phone in the video has.

          • Verizon

            This is the “mini” or “ghost” whatever you choose to call it. Last specs I read were showing it at 4.3″ with 4″ usable. This is the one that is supposed to be “perfect for the hand”. If you look at the size of the Razr M you can see how a 4.3″ screen can be super small in comparison to something like the GS3/4 or HTC One. The big one will be 5″ and with much better specs.

    • lgreg64

      They will not believe until it comes out.

    • You have no proof at all so how are we supposed to believe you. Later when?

      • Bionic


        • MicroNix

          Is it going to be the Bionic 2?

          • Tyler

            No, the Bionic 3, they decided that they should count the first prototype at CES.

          • MicroNix

            Then we should clarify.

            Q3 of 2014?

        • So that could be around the time of the next Nexus then. Which if your specs you post are true (which a few things aren’t) then this better x phone will already be outdated.

          • How do we know that? Outdated how? If the design is better, the phone runs smoother, uses the very latest version of Android, has better battery, and a better camera, then how could it possibly be outdated?

            Specs =/= a good experience, and that is what ultimately matters.

          • Verizon

            First, who said there is going to be a Nexus this year?

            Second, the specs he is listing are accurate as far as the device is now. They are always subject to change of course, but right now he is listing accurate specs.

          • Of course there’s going to be a new nexus. Google releases one every year. This year i’m guessing they will release android 5.0 with a new nexus. That is if Google announces 4.3 at I/O.

            No somethings just don’t work. Like the S4 pro doesn’t support usb 3.0.

      • EC8CH


        I can only imagine what type of proof you expect for leaked phone info from a commentator on an internet blog.

        • Well he says he has a source so he should be able to get a pic or something.

          • Verizon

            He isn’t trolling. What has been seen cannot be unseen.

    • Ted

      Bionic has been pretty close with his information. I am close with Motorola won’t say what I do. I recently came across what this phone will be. Now I only know of one of them and I can tell you it is something to be very excited about and the benchmarks above don’t do justice and aren’t even true for most part. I can tell you the flagship device will have At the least a quad core.

      Only reason I’m posting now is because I’m getting pretty annoyed at what I have been seeing across the Web and the false rumors of the device. There has been a lot of true rumors but the under whelming rumors like Google gave up on the phone or its a dual core, are false. I don’t want to say to much because I don’t want to say something that could give away too much. I will just say that don’t give up your excitement on this device. It will be worth it and will have features that are first of its kind. Be excited. Be patient. Q3 is creeping up fast

  • hatboysam

    It better at least have an insane battery and camera, or something else to make it relevant. I want to want it, but I don’t.

  • nvitone23

    Ummmm…this is the “ghost” so I dont know why we are all getting worried…we knew a “mini” version of the x-phone was coming to AT&T before the X-phone arrived…what’s the issue?

  • Dan

    This is gonna be big

    • cancerous_it

      ….let down.

  • Bionic

    Now is not the time for fear………… That comes later

  • S2556

    Looks like a good phone for my mom…

  • chris125

    If they price it at 300 or less no contract and on all carriers I’d buy it. Would save my unlimited data and not spend $600+

  • coolsilver

    Let me guess got a cease and desist request over the FCC docs article. LOL yep

  • jamie stevens

    way to go google. great job purchasing moto. not even a good midranger

  • cancerous_it

    people vote with their wallets. my guess it that this phone will do nothing to change moto’s position of fighting htc to last place.

  • Dr0me

    yawn, looks like the X phone is going to be very underwhelming. I love the updates of the nexus but Google seems to be dead set on making super affordable devices. Lets hope this is a mid range phone and the real x phone will have much better specs. Otherwise this will be in the bargain bin next to the HTC First.

  • Yawn, where’s Bionic at?

    • Bionic


  • XphoneTroll

    Oh ya And it’s a joke too!

  • XphoneTroll

    S4 IS the best phone out now and will be best phone when this low end phone that bionic was dying for and said it was going to be the best phone ever!

    • Rodeojones000


  • AxemRed

    Just because the model is “XFON” doesn’t mean that this is THE “X-Phone” that people have been waiting for. The specs aren’t right for a flagship device. This phone is this generation’s budget phone. The flagship has yet to be revealed.

  • XphoneTroll

    Mr . bionic was way off his specs he provided.. He’s probably taking all his hair out saying why he fed me lies on the specs! Hahhaha

    • Technically, Bionic said there was going to be a mini version that was code named Ghost. If you look at the above images, that is the Ghost phone. He could still be right about another higher end device coming.

    • Bionic

      Idiot. The specs I quoted were for the 5 inch version


    wa wa waaaaa ! no purple pill can help me on this one. Def losing interest !

  • coolsilver

    I thought since the Product Manager job was posted that the “X” Phone was more a platform or product line rather than a single phone. I still hold this idea. This is still going to be big when you look back on it…

  • YouSeeLA11

    How do you know it’s a 1.7 GHz dual-core S4 Pro, and not a 1.7 GHz quad-core S4 Pro?? Never heard of a dual-core processor being clocked as high as 1.7 GHz, but I know the quad-core S4 Pro can be overclocked to a maximum of 1.7 GHz

  • Looks like an HTC phone

  • KleenDroid

    It is as expected. Motorola makes mid to low end devices these days.

    • angermeans

      I have to agree. I knew that since it was being made by Motorola it would be garbage and extremely underwhelm. A 2012 processor and 720p (which should be awful based on Motorolas displays the past few years) is nothing to write home about. Google needs to just sell off Motorola Mobility like the rumors suggested last year. Garbage. They have the whole worlds attention when they created the Droid and completely fumbled it with locked boot loaders, horrible buggy OS skinned builds, awful hardware builds (like cutting the corners off), next no no OS updates, and worst of all garbage displays that seem to be at least a year or two behind the completion. I can’t seem to see what Google saw when they decided to buy this dying company. I don’t see why people have praised Motorola for years in hardware build as they are ugly as all hell in my opinion. People still hold out hope.

      • Verizon

        Where to begin….
        The locked bootloaders have been due to Moto’s contract with Verizon. It has been changed, from what I understand, so they may be going away. Only time will tell.
        Blur is dead and has been for a while. Was it crap? Of course, but it was an attempt that didn’t work.
        The corner cuts were a design idea. It did separate it from all the other phones on the market and made it stand out. Also there was something mentioned about Apple’s whole thing with “rounded corners”. While you may not have liked it, plenty of others did.
        No OS updates? How many other companies have as many phones running Jelly Bean as Moto?

        People praise Moto first and foremost for their radios. Regardless of what some people say they really are superior. I’ve had phones from ever major company and get better reception with a Moto phone that any other. That goes for both calls and data. After the radios comes the fact that they build very solid phones. They don’t use plastic and for the most part (HTC One not included) they are the only company using Android that build phones to the same level of physical quality as Apple and Nokia. They also put batteries that can power a mac truck in their phones. After years of hearing and seeing complaints on battery life, it really is nice to have a phone that will last well over a day with one charge. It is true that they have been lacking when it comes to displays and camera quality, but this is one of those things that people are really hoping will change with Google’s influence.

        • denlem

          I agree on the radios and that’s what makes Moto one of my favorite phones. I live in an area where Verizon barely comes in. Moto pulls in the signal the best, others give my limited or no service. LG being the worst.

        • These reasons are exactly why I stick with Moto. I have yet to find any company that can match them in terms of radios and signal. Everything I’ve had besides Moto has struggled. And battery life is the other thing I love. I have absolutely NO trouble last a full day with moderate to heavy use with my MAXX. I have a friend who has an S3 that she absolutely HATES because of battery life. She was just complaining to me about it this afternoon because somehow it managed to lose 7% battery while she had it POWERED OFF.

          I’m really hoping Moto has something else besides this up their sleeve for release by the end of the year. My contract is up in Novermber, and I’m switching away from Verizon since I’ll no longer be able to keep my unlimited data. I really want to be able to stick with a Motorola phone without having to go to something older that will essentially be outdated, or something only mid range. I’d hate for the S4 to be my only “high range” choice. (And this is mainly because I’ll be switching to US Cellular, and aside from Samsung, they don’t carry many flagship phones)

          • KleenDroid

            Why won’t you be able to keep your unlimited?

          • Kendrick Sims

            He probably doesn’t want to pay full retail for his phone. If that is the case, he won’t be keeping his unlimited data.

          • CJ Wolven

            I’m in the same boat with Verizon. My contract has been up for a year and the unlimited data is grandfathered in. Hence why I’m inclined to pay full retail for my phone and if Moto can give me a decent phone at a reasonable price then this will be my next purchase for sure

          • Dave

            My GN2 murders my old Razr MaXX HD in battery life and radio performance.

        • MicroNix

          Where to reply….

          Perhaps Moto signed a deal with the devil regarding locked bootloaders but they did it while others were still unlocking.

          Until a Motorola phone is vanilla again, what do you call the overlay? Moto’s version of the overlay is Blur. It might have changed a name to hide its fugliness, but its still Blur.

          No OS updates is exactly it. The phones are old and gray by the time they get updated. The Bionic finally got JB! The S3 which came out what, a year AFTER the Bionic, has been sitting on JB for a long time now. The Droid 3 never made it to ICS (never upgraded to any major version other than what it shipped with). No, Motorola was too busy pumping out the next phone to care about the one before. How quickly you forget!

          The Motorola radio is the only thing I give you and only a weak give at that. Since I haven’t dropped a call on my S3, I’m not going to fully give you that one, but I did have some amazing places that I had reception in with my past 2 Moto phones that you wouldn’t expect to have coverage in. The big battery is nice and definitely needed on a Motorola phone. I go a whole day with my S3 and still have gas to spare. That is all I ask of a phone.

          Moto’s displays in the past have been pathetic *compared to others released at the same time* and in my experience the cameras were at *best* unusable pieces of trash part in due to the lacking software it was shipped with. My wife won’t even take pictures with her Moto phone because by the time it actually gets around to taking the picture, the moment is over! I’ll be moving her to an S4 as soon as it lands on Verizon and restore Android’s credibility with her.

          Moto phones are not the bulletproof hardware that certain fanboys make them out to be. I’ve had multiple headphone jacks flake out (for the record, I’ve had zero problems with the S3). I’ve had the digitizer cook right after the 1 year warranty was up. I’ve had physical keys on the keyboard sliders go bad or require extra pressure. To contrast all this, I’ve had my S3 almost a year now with zero issues. Oh, and the S3 is the first Android phone I’ve had where I haven’t needed to root and rom it just to be satisfied with performance. I can’t say that for the last Moto phone that I’ve had where it was laggy, bug infested and generally a pure displeasure to use.

          • angermeans

            This ^^

          • Verizon

            Ok, Moto signed a deal with VZW when the OG Droid came out. The deal sucked, but let’s face it Moto didn’t have too many options. It gave Moto less control over their own devices on VZW’s network. Since VZW didn’t understand bootloaders at the time there was nothing done about the OG Droid. Later phones were locked down for the control. Making the deal is Moto’s fault (again, they didn’t have too many options at the time), but the lock down you and everyone else likes to complain about is all VZW. Moto devices on other carriers are unlocked. Until Google just now stepped in, Moto didn’t not have the weight to throw around and change this deal. Now, is a different story.

            How far Vanilla do you want them to go? Have you looked at a Moto phone lately? They are as close to vanilla Android as you can get. You complain about Blur, but it is more or less a couple of widgets and some really good solid apps thrown (All Androids should really have some of them they are great). Take a look at Samsung’s Cheezwiz garbage and then any of the recent Moto phones then try complaining about Blur. If you actual can claim that Cheezewiz is better then i will ignore you for life because your brain has stopped working. As I said before, Blur is dead. Anything running ICS and beyond is running on jut about pure stock.

            I see what you are complaining about with updates. The same complaint could be made for Samsung, LG and especially HTC. I agree that their past update history wasn’t the greatest, but since the Google takeover it is gotten really good. Some phones will be held up by the carriers (it always happens, think about the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon), but Moto has gotten to the point that they are updating faster than anyone else.

            As far as reception, on VZW, there is none better than Moto. End of story. People can claim what they want, but when you can make a call at 10K feet, in the Rocky Mountains, on any other device make sure you are calling me so I can come witness it. The battery life on a Razr Maxx can get me through 2 days and sometimes more. When I am nowhere near a power source it is important.

            In the past, the cameras and screens have not been good. I’m not nor will I ever argue that. I hope they improve, but even Google’s best phones have had pretty poor cameras in the past so I won’t hold my breath.

            I never said they were bulletproof. I said that the build quality is superior to most of the other Android phones out there. They use good materials and don’t make their phones out of pure plastic. If you like plastic that is great, but I prefer metal. The OG Droid was hailed for being a solid piece of metal and having a more industrial design. The same people that hailed it and condemning plastic are now claiming plastic is the way to go since they like Samsung. As far as parts breaking, I’ve never had that happen on any phone so maybe I’ve just been lucky. The only phones that I’ve had that have been buggy have been Samsung and all due to Cheezewiz.

          • Gotta agree with you on the radios. I have a Motorola Xoom on Verizon and that thing could hold on to an LTE signal in the bowels of Hell.

          • MyStroPro

            For all you have had go wrong with Moto phones, I’ve had none of it on either my OG Droid or my Razr. To each their own man. I’ve had plenty of people have issues with all three major brands that I know – between radios, batteries, and so forth. They all have their issues.

            If you want to sing the praises of Samsung, that’s cool, but as an end user, I hate their devices and their skin too. Touchwiz needs to die just as much as Blur and Sense. Last I checked HTC wasn’t too good at updating their phones either (Thunderbolt anyone?). Every manufacturer has made mistakes – even Samsung with the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon.

            If we could get one well built phone with good materials, good radios, a good battery, and a vanilla package, I think everyone would flock to it, just like so many people did to the OG Droid.

            Don’t get me wrong btw, I
            agree the Ghost is a mediocre phone; but this shouldn’t a surprise to anyone. I
            wish the article was retitled to reflect that this is Ghost and not the
            real X-Phone of rumors. Yes, it uses XFON as an acronym on a single back label, but
            we knew three devices were in the pipeline, all under the X-Phone
            header. This whole test report read Ghost, not X Phone. I’m still hopeful that Motorola pulls something out near the end of the year worth buying. Remember a few months back the CFO’s comment: “We still have a backlog of devices they had in work before we purchased Motorola Mobility.”

            WRT your earlier comment about why Google purchased them, I thought it was pretty obvious: patents. It had nothing to do with buying the failing mobile brand of over-saturated devices.

        • angermeans

          Where to begin on my reply. First, some of your points are valid, but a good many are not and that brings me back to what I mentioned in my first post. Why do people still worship the ground Motorola walks on? They obviously are not doing most (if not all) things very wrong as the CEO (Jha was the worst thing to happen to Motorola in my opinion and they kept him on as CEO for way too long with very questionable business choices and ran them into the ground) was fired (with a giant severance package none the less which is even more ridiculous considering if I get fired I don’t get a golden paved road out when the company is struggling) and was sold to Google.

          I’m sorry but I have yet to see a vanilla Motorola device and I’m sorry but until there is one they run blur which in my opinion is and always has been the worst skin on the market. Encrypted Bootloaders. Where do I even start with your comment on that? I call BS. If you or anyone else knows of some contract I would like to see it. They did it because they did it and it isn’t just Verizon Moto phones that are plagued with it. Your logic doesn’t hold water and I’ve heard this excuse far too much. Like I said poor business choices that paint you hostile towards your biggest fans. That doesn’t end well. As far as upgrades you obviously have not been an android fan for long as Motorola has constantly been at the back of updates. Not only that but its been straight lie after lie. Yes, other companies are not much better but they also didn’t set expectations like Motorola did (remember the Droid X debacle?). Not only this but HTC has eaten both Samsung and especially Motorola up when keeping their phones up to date. Even devices like the Xoom which was shown as a developer device running stock android was way too far behind. Yes, carriers are somewhat to blame but no other company has held off on updates for the sole purpose of trying to get their customers to get their newest device like Motorola. They used it as a selling chip.

          Yes I am a littl bitter at Motorla but I’m just stating facts and this comes from my experience with believing in them multiple times and getting burned over and over. I just don’t give them the get out of jail free card that you or others do.

          • Verizon

            I never said I worship Motorola or any other tech company. As far as their devices go, mine have all been rock solid with better signal quality than any other Android device I’ve owned. I consider the radios and signal to be more important than any other feature on phone, because I’m not a big fan of paperweights.

            As far as who works there, how much they are paid or who does what to who for how much money, I couldn’t possibly find anything less to care about. It honestly means less to me than how much money Apple is making or who passed gas two weeks ago in Indonesia. I’m not on any bandwagon or rooting for an underdog when I talk about phones. I talk about what works for me in my situation and that is about it. I don’t care if Samsung is the hot new manufacturer or HTC is gaining ground on them (I know it isn’t happening). I get what works for me and that is why I’ve been using Moto phones. I’ve had Samsung and HTC along with an LG (for a day) and hands down Moto is the one that has worked best for me.

            If you haven’t seen a stock Moto device then you have not been looking. Blur is gone. Moto is adding a few extra things to their phones running ICS and beyond. Other than that they are closer to stock Android to anything other than a Nexus. If you don’t know about or understand what I am talking about with the Encrypted Bootloaders then see my reply to MicroNix above. If you still don’t care to understand or believe me, that really isn’t my problem. You can call BS all you want, but it is what it is. If you are really fighting that hard to disbelieve what people have been telling you about carrier control then take a moment and ask how the Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S), an Android phone, was loaded with Bing and other Microsoft junk on it. Carriers have a huge amount of control and none so like Verizon’s. I’ve been an Android user since the OG Droid so I’m not sure how far back I’m supposed to go to be an Android fan in your opinion. lol. It doesn’t matter much anyway. The pre Google and post Google world for Moto are two completely different things. You can rant about pre-Google times, but they are in the past. Moto is doing very well with updates at this point. The claim that HTC is “eating others up” with updates is pretty funny to me though. My experience has always been that HTC sucks for updates and lies through their teeth about which phones will get them. They still have phones that came out last year running Gingerbread.

            The final comment in your reply really says it all. You feel like you were betrayed by Moto and now you are mad at them. I get that, I really do. Unfortunately you aren’t really stating facts. You are expressing feelings or anecdotal experiences. Since those can’t really be quantified for everyone then they aren’t exactly facts. As far as my experience goes, Samsung is a horrible company with inferior products that has trouble picking up signal 3 inches from a Verizon tower, but I’m not about to shout my opinion on comment threads when someone says they like Samsung phones. People have different experiences with different products. People love their Galaxy Nexus, but I hated mine because the reception was worse than horrible. To each their own and I hope they have what makes them happy.

          • MyStroPro

            HTC better than the other two? LOL – where have you been?! All three manufacturers on Verizon suck at update pushes! What is the common link on that – oh right — Verizon Wireless.

            The Xoom was the first tablet on the market running Honeycomb, which made it a “defacto nexus,” it was never supposed to be a Nexus device.

            If you haven’t seen the ICS / JB Razr OS, then I call BS on your comments about the Blur OS. You seem stuck on Motorola prior to the sale, not the Motorola that Google owns. Google hasn’t had a device development cycle yet either – they are still pushing old Motorola devices – though I believe that the X-Phone line that’s in work is a combination of Google’s look forward and what Moto had in the HW pipeline.

          • pappy53

            If you think that Blur is the worst skin out now, then you have lost a lot of credibility. It is the closest to pure Android of anything on the market. And I had an original Xoom wi-fi, and it was very fast in getting updates.

        • angermeans

          Sorry for multiple posts but couldn’t fit it all.

          The whole radio thing is a joke. Where is the proof that they somehow use better radios? From what I’ve seen all companies use mostly the same Broadcomm chips. I’ve owned at least a dozen android devices and a good 4 or 5 have been made by Motorola and never once was any of them better than any other device I’ve ever owned. On top of that I’ve actually had even more problems with Motorola devices staying connected to LTE than others. The Bionic was an awful device and so was the Razr.

          I’m sorry but I don’t call cut off corners an innovation. In fact I would say that no innovation has come out of Motorola since the original droid except maybe the larger battery in the MAXX but that is more just stuffing a larger battery. Still they have done that when also forcing their users to use the worst displays on the market. This has been every device they launched since the droid. They cut corners literally and physically and that is like I said one of the main reasons they failed to stay relevant. You can call it what you want, but as for me mototorla has continually showed they don’t know how to treat their customers and treat them as such. They deserve to be where they are. You can praise them, but as for me I say good riddance.

          • yupersucker


          • KleenDroid

            They think if it shows more bars or must be better.

          • Verizon

            Actually, I think when it gets reception were nobody else does, it makes it better. Most people would agree with this idea.

          • angermeans

            Yep and ill have to look but both Verizon and Moto was called out for showing more service than they really have. It was a while back (seems bout the time the galaxy nexus came out and everyone was up in arms about it only showing one or two bars of service, but they had the same service). People feel better if they see 4 bars. That doesn’t make them better. Unless someone can show me they use better aftermarket OEM chips or some kind of data showing it works better I won’t believe it. Don’t you all think if they truelly had some advantage wouldn’t both them and Verizon advertise that to no end? It’s the same Broadcomm variation that everyone uses in America

          • Verizon

            Actually, what you are referring to with the Galaxy Nexus was a difference in the way that ICS and JB show signal vs the way Gingerbread showed signal. At the time the Nexus was the only phone showing bars based on LTE signal and all other phones were showing bars based on CDMA signal. It had nothing to do with Verizon or Motorola in particular. Besides, when I am talking about signal I am not talking about bars or even dBm. I am talking about the ability to grab and maintain CDMA or LTE connection better than other phones.

            As I have stated, it is anecdotal, but I see a significant difference with Motorola phones compared to other phones in this area. It is a constant where I am and where I’ve been. When you’re in a major metro area it may mean nothing, but in the mountains or in many buildings it is standard to see moto phones work where nothing else will. Have you ever been into a store and see a bunch of people standing out front talking on their phone because the inside is a total dead zone? Yeah, my phone works in there.

          • Verizon

            Moto uses their radios. It is the reason they use different processors from other phone companies. Their radios are just better at doing what radios do. Try taking a couple of different phones on Verizon’s network to different locations and see which one consistently has the better signal. I’ve done it and I’ll go ahead and give you the spoiler, Moto always wins. Where I live there are buildings that block signal and mountains that are too high. When other phones lose signal or can’t get a data connection the Moto will still have it. Try making a call at 10k feet and see what happens with a Samsung, HTC, LG, Nokia or Apple. It may be anecdotal evidence, but it is what I have seen and experience along with countless others. There is a reason people talk about Moto radios. It may not all be hardware, but they are something special.

            When did I say that the corners were an innovation? I said they were a design choice.

            You are continuing to rant about every little detail an I get that your feeling were hurt. It doesn’t make your argument any less or more valid. It just makes it more angry.


            Mate He is pure Moto Hater he doesn’t Have brain other brand paid him I bet

          • michael arazan

            The proof is in the customer satisfaction and user experience that Moto builds quality devices. My D1 is the only phone I never broke or had to replace. And I dropped that sucker over 20 times from at least 2 feet, no scratches ever or any marks, even on the glass.

        • epps720

          The Maxx is the only phone with great battery. I had the Razr for a short time before I traded it in for my G-Nex. Battery was putrid, even compared to that on my G-Nex. Motorola also has some pretty terrible cameras

          I agree with the build quality, my OG Droid was a tank and loved the quality of the Razr.

      • Elliot Kotis

        I think Google bought them for both patents and the fact that if they can fix them a tiny bit people will buy them, people buy labels, if people liked old Motorola’s (the flip phones etc), they would buy Motorola simply because they are motorola (and no longer as crap).


        how much sam payed to write against Motorola? Seems to be paid comment

        • Verizon

          To be fair, he does talk bad about Samsung too i his post history. He appears to like HTC a lot though.

  • I wonder what Sarge has to say. 🙂

  • ceejw

    720P is fine when the screen is this small. 1080P would be pointless on this phone.

  • This must be a phone for AT&T new AIO budget line.

  • Khammy

    …creepy three fingered hand…

    • EC8CH

      can… not… un… see!

  • Price point is key. If this has an option to buy unlocked on the cheap like the Nexus 4, I’d look twice.

  • nooo

    where is bionic?!

    • Bionic


  • ToddAwesome


    • Bionic

      Yes Dan Connor?

  • Nathan Keeley

    Didn’t Motorola not say anything about the Maxx HD or the M last year?, who knows what they could be hiding this time.

  • Looks like I’ll be grabbing the One.

  • teevirus

    So, um what time of year do Nexus phones usually launch and will the next one be on Verizon. Because I’ll have some hard choices in the next 5 months.

  • Butters619

    *cough two phones *cough

    (that is what I would bet anyway)

    • Bionic


  • flosserelli

    Nice job Motorola, crashing the party 12 months late.

  • See what happens when Android blogs hyperbeast devices based purely on baseless, unsubstantiated rumors from “reliable sources”? Meet the Motorola X Phone. Nothing to see here, folks. Keep on moving.

    • Black Roger


      • My bad. Thanks for the correction. 😉

    • Timbo1

      I’ve been saying this since day one. Although I would have hoped for something better but oh well.

    • But now what happens if you are wrong? Hypebeasting and its antithesis are basically the same problem – no one really knows until the phone is officially released. But it’s fun to keep guessing!

      • Tony Allen

        I mean, look what happened to the Bionic thanks too all the hype. I can’t remember the last time I was actually excited about a new phone coming out or rumored to be coming down the pipeline. Hype sucks.

        • I think the lack of excitement is being somewhat jaded by the pace. As tech enthusiasts, we watch gadget developments like a hawk. At this point, hardware is quickly becoming a non-seller. The screens are all good, the SoC’s are all good, the batteries are all “good enough” for the most part. Some software tricks are cool (multi-view is interesting, but HALO is better innovation imo), but the mobile world is hitting that point in computing where the hardware is plenty powerful, and only a handful of applications even use that power. We were spoiled the last decade as innovation after innovation hit the mobile market, and now that it is understandably slowing down, we have to contend with iterations rather than leaps. While interesting, it is hardly exciting.

          • Verizon

            Sir, I must say that your posts tend to be a breath of fresh air. It is wonderful to see someone make a comment that is informative and incredibly accurate.

            That said, get out of my head and stop posting my thoughts!

    • Bionicman

      this blog only reports rumors and information that floats around the internet about this phone. Its people on these comments that are playing peeps with their “sources” without a shred of evidence. it still sounds like a decent phone from Motorola regardless. my guess is they’ll be a big focus on software and enhancements instead of high end hardware.


        I think that you are on the right track, but they already told us their next phones wouldn’t have the latest hardware. They are focusing on durability, battery life, and performance. They are highly optimizing their software to a proven, well-developed SoC, building in a really solid, “perfect fit” device, and optimizing battery life that will make the MAXX jealous. All of these things are ridiculously important to end users, even if they don’t realize it consciously.

    • MyStroPro

      I could have sworn this phone is code named Ghost – which was one of a trio of supposed X-phone models. That was month’s ago though.

      AIR, Ghost was always a mid-range device for AT&T.

    • renGek

      But aren’t you doing the same thing by assuming based on rumors and blogs that this is what is being released by motorola as the X phone.

      Considering how the google chiefs have said a few weeks ago that they were wowed by the motorola line up, this phone does not make sense. I will wait and see what actually gets released before fuming about it on a gadget site.

  • Would people buy this for $200 off contract?

    • Thing is, the Nexus 4 is still better than this phone. Unless it takes amazing pictures and has 2-day battery life, I don’t even know that I would.

      • I’m not sure if it is quantifiably better except the number of cores. This is essentially a higher-clocked (1.7 vs. 1.5 GHz), dual-core version of the SoC in the N4. It also has the same GPU (Adreno 320). The screen is smaller, but with the same resolution it has a higher DPI. Also, some prefer smaller screens. In addition, the battery is supposedly larger (2500 vs. 2100 mAh). Finally, it does include 802.11ac, which is impressive.

        All of that combined, I think that the slight reduction in screen size is absolutely worth $100, so long as it has Motorola’s usually stellar build quality and radio performance. I’d buy it for my wife in a heartbeat, and maybe even for myself.

      • lgreg64

        but it does bring LTE. and i don’t think this is the big thing yet . we will have to wait until Q4 i think.

    • Yes, I’d buy it for $200 off contract. For $300 I’d probably choose Nexus.

  • I’m pretty sure Mr. Bionic, and other peeps have been telling us all along that this is the “Mini” version of what is to come. Kind of the lower spec’d, smaller real estate version. No need to panic people. In Googlerola I trust!

    • This is a budget phone, like Motorola’s last two releases in Brazil. Think Nexus 4 w/ LTE and releasing on all four major US carriers. (Minus the quad core processor..)

      • I’m thinking the same thing. A cheap, durable, well-built phone with all-day (2500+mAh at this display size) battery that is really comfortable to hold and exceptionally smooth and stable OS with near-Nexus update timing? We technuts may not like it, but I can guarantee that the average consumer would be happy to own it.

    • I guess we should call them GoogHTC, SamGoog, and GooLG

  • So its a mid-range phone then.

  • teevirus

    Disappointing specs. What next you are going to tell me there is not Santa Claus?

  • Scott Kenerson

    Sounds similar to what Bionic has been saying. “Ghost” would be a relatively small mid range device. Hopefully he’s right about the bigger better version too.

  • hfoster52


  • Google tricked us all along with fake leaks.

  • Brandon Golway

    Whichever Googler said it wasn’t going to be an impressive phone wasn’t lying. Hopefully this will be the first of many X-Phones and this is just to test the waters.

  • Brian Sargent

    If this is “the” X-phone that we have been waiting for then it is more than just disappointing. I was really hoping Motorola would do something to give me a choice for another phone other than the GS4. Unless HTC comes out with something nice on V-red, my next is going to be a plastic, heavily skinned GS4.

    • Ronaldo


  • rawheat200

    Looks like a rubber HTC One

  • >> Keep in mind while this phone may be disappointing from a spec standpoint, it’ll likely run stock Android, see updates at an incredible rate, and utilize LTE networks.

    And it still doesn’t run on Verizon. These days, if you are on Verizon, you can pretty much kiss stock Android goodbye.

    • The flip side of that is, Verizon has always carried Motorola devices. Add to that the fact that the OG Razr and Bionic are quite close to stock 4.1.2 (the 2012 models use a…different…launcher that I see going away in 4.2+), and these may just be the very closest to a Nexus Verizon will ever see.

      And while I’m a fan of stock in general, I think that Motorola’s tweaks are actual enhancements, or at the very least not completely useless fluff like other skins.

  • Where have you been? Been less interested for a while now.

  • Shaunwin

    “X” stands for expired!

  • Warwick

    Xphone Mini?

  • Knlegend1


  • I don’t think this is ‘the’ X Phone.

  • bogy25

    Yo Moto! Why did you make this phone?

    • This must be a smart phone for AT&T new AIO budget line.

    • For everyone who’s smart enough to know that the best phone isn’t necessarily the one with the most powerful hardware.

  • Daniel

    Well but if it is finally NOT using a pentile layout the screen will be a nice improvement, and also if it keeps the phone SMALL that’s better than matching the giant 1080p screens people are using on phones that are TOO BIG to hold in your hand…

  • Is it me or does the back of this thing look like a zagg sparq?http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php

  • BrunoGama

    Meh.. Nothing to do here.

  • RobotiX