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Galaxy S7 and LG G5 Have SD Card Slots, but Skip Android 6.0’s Adoptable Storage

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Within the last two days, we have seen both Samsung and LG unveil some really, really cool smartphones for 2016. Samsung gave us the Galaxy S7 and Galaxy S7 Edge, and LG showed off the G5. Samsung’s phones will be here in a couple of weeks, while LG seems to need some more time to get everything buttoned up. All three phones are about as next-gen as you can get in terms of technology, thanks to their Snapdragon 820 processors, QHD displays, innovative camera experiences, and more. But there is one area that has already turned away potential buyers – handling of expandable storage via microSD slot.

As you know, Samsung ditched the microSD slot last year, but decided to bring it back this year with support for up to 200GB of additional space. LG never ditched the SD slot and has brought it back for the G5 with support up to 2TB (!). While we are all excited to see SD support in both, each company has decided against using a feature that could really enhance the storage experience. We’re talking, of course, about Android 6.0 Marshmallow’s new Adoptable Storage

What is Adoptable Storage, you ask? With Adoptable Storage, Android is allowing the system to “adopt” an inserted microSD card to give you one big block of storage space that is formatted and encrypted to your phone. When adopted, your phone treats the storage (after it runs a benchmark to determine if it is fast enough to keep up) like it would internal storage, which means it can “safely store both apps and private data for all users.”

This is what your storage situation would look like before adopting an SD card and then after.

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Before adopted vs. After adopted

What are the benefits of Adoptable Storage? There are few, but most importantly, by adding an SD card’s capacity to your phone, so that it is adopted and recognized in the same as internal storage, you are giving yourself the opportunity to greatly expand your phone’s internal storage. You can then install more apps than ever. If you don’t adopt an SD card in Android 6.0, you can’t do that. You’ll still be able to keep all of your photos and videos and music collection on your SD card like you have in the past, but the apps are out. If you consider phones like the G5 or Galaxy S7 potentially using up a whole lot of internal storage to house all of their bloatware and bloated skins on top of Android, your space for app installation isn’t exactly large.

The other piece I would point out is that adopting is much more secure than not adopting. With an adopted card, your phone encrypts it so that only that phone can use it. If someone were to steal your SD card and slap it into another phone, they wouldn’t get very far as it won’t mount. With a non-adopted SD card, anyone with an SD card slot can access the contents of your SD card.

What’s the big deal with Samsung and LG not allowing for Adoptable Storage? I just touched on it, but the basic argument is that since all three of the phones are essentially only launching with 32GB of storage in the US, your internal storage is limited to just that without Adoptable Storage being active. LG and Samsung have used up quite a bit of internal storage in the past for their bloatware, pre-loaded apps, and skin, so it’s safe to assume that we will be stuck with a similar situation here. For example, the Galaxy S6 last year used up almost 10GB of space out of the box, before you ever installed a thing. If you owned the 32GB model, you were left with around 23GB of space to use for apps.

Why would LG and Samsung do this? At this time, they are giving off the impression that they are worried about Adoptable Storage being confusing, scary, and maybe not all that user friendly (Or maybe customers just don’t want it.). They are more than likely worried that a customer will use Adoptable Storage, not knowing exactly what they are getting themselves into, and then yanking out an SD card and really screwing things up on their phone. That’s a valid concern, of course. But is it the correct move to just fully disable the option all together? We tend to lean towards it always being best to give people options or the ability to choose for themselves rather than just limiting them.

NOTE: As some of have pointed it, though Samsung hasn’t said anything along these lines, another reason for not including Adoptable Storage could have to do with read/write speeds of SD cards. Internal storage is typically much faster than SD cards and Samsung or LG could be worried about there being a performance hit.

Time for you to make a decision. You have lived without the option for adoptable storage up until Android 6.0 Marshmallow, so this is all pretty new territory for most of us. In the past, all we wanted was an SD card to store things like photos, videos, and music. But now that we can take that a step further, this thought of Samsung and LG denying us is a bit unsettling, especially since you can’t go out and buy say, a 128GB G5 or S7.

  • Mohammed Taher

    I hope they get this feature back in a the next update at least for the lg g5 cause I want it .

  • bigbird

    I want the option!

  • Steven Fischer

    so look at it like this, granted most of everyone here is smart in how to move files from one device to another. I do phone support for a large cell company, to which disclaimer, my view are that of my own and do not reflect the values or views of said company. Now I can see why samsung truly decided not to do this, and I don’t think it has anything to do with how fast an app opens or read/writes or whatever. in a lot of cases with things ranging from network issues, to an app not opening correctly. what is one of the TS steeps that the OEM IE samsung requires us to do? Remove the freaking SD card from the phone and then power the device back on. why does no one ever think about hey what happen if the SD card becomes corrupted. it’s quite funny how often this does happen. and when most people don’t even know how to move a picture, from the phone to a freaking PC/MAC and by most I mean 99% so yeah I can see where samsung is coming from by deciding not to use Adoptable Storage. this is the part that makes me mad about any person that really knows tech, you dumb asses often forget that

  • DaBig Guy

    User should be able to decide what is best for them. First would like to be able to easily get rid of bloat I didn’t want, freeing up more of the 32GB internal memory. I more than likely would not turn on Adoptable Storage just so it would be easier to transfer unencrypted photos from my phone to the computer or music back to card with a card reader. But hey, I fill up that 32GB internal memory I guess I’m turning on Adoptable Storage and transferring data via USB cord.

  • Matthew Johnson

    This is total BS. Just got my s7 edge. Most apps CAN NOT be moved to sd card. About 1/2 my apps could. The biggest data hog apps could NOT be moved. Apps that I did have on my sd card with my S5 and on my last phone, an LG G3. Major fail, Samsung. Smh, i want to like this company but they continue to drop the ball. If i cant move my apps sell me phone with bigger storage, at least 64gb. Wtf…

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    I’d love to use this on the s7 with a fast 200gb card

    However there is the issue of longevity

  • krubby

    Looks like the Turbo 2 will get this with their Marshmallow update coming tomorrow. The S7 looks awesome but this is one thing I might like over that phone with my Turbo 2

  • Zeoxzy

    And yet i’ve got an xperia z2, which allows some data from apps to be moved across to the sd card. And we’re talking about freeing up gigabytes of data from the internal storage.

  • Dick Bailey

    Assuming US offerings are limited to 32Gb, the lack of adoptive storage eliminates these devices from my potential purchase. Too easy to fill games to use up available storage.

  • Bay_Ranger

    May not be true? –“LG public relations rep Monica Levy said of the G5,
    “Happy to inform you that LG’s newest flagship does support Android’s
    adoptable storage feature.”

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  • they brought back the SD slot. awesome!

  • Oh good, now I have another reason to hate Samsung.

    Too bad that LG is in on this too, though, the G5 interested me.

  • Islam

    i want Adoptable Storage with 128Gb SanDisk extreme and make that to internal storage. Samsung why did you do his?

  • Ichigo Uzumaki

    I saw the adoptable storage on my MXPE when I inserted the microSD card. I went with the other option since I sometimes take the sd card out of the device and plug it straight to the computer to transfer data since it’s faster this way. They do warn you that if you use adoptable storage that you won’t be able to access the data stored in the SDcard on another device. Only Samsung and LG know why they screw this up….

  • Tomek G

    I, for change, like the idea of REMOVABLE storage, so I can put multiple smaller SD cards to store media and easily transfer them from other devices.

  • JimmyHACK

    I figured it was a given that being this soon it wouldn’t be used with many phones. Not to many the few common issues with it so far (updated apps moving, card unmounts).

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  • tansuperman

    This is total bs. Where is the option . just two companies that are worried about people buying the 32 gig only. Total bs on Samsung and lg

  • Phredator

    If your SD card ever dismounts for any reason, as mine has done a dozen times, your phone will crash.
    The crash under these conditions would be particularly nasty to put back together again.
    I have to say that if they have this option I would not use it

    • tansuperman

      Don’t buy cheap SD cards. Buy Samsung SD cards. They work

  • Cisco

    I tried the Adoptable Storage option for my Pure Moto X 2015 and went back. Why?

    Apps that I moved to the sd card would, when updated, move right back to the internal storage. So I would update all my apps, and have the dreaded “cannot update further due to lack of storage space” message. Also, the Google Play Music app would only let you save your cached music into the internal storage, again filling it up quickly, It was such a pain that I just went to adopting the sd card as external storage.

    Does anyone know if this still happens on the Moto X Pure Edition 2015?

    • Alana

      I have this problem on my note 4. It’s Samsung.

    • Todd Nguyen

      This happens on the One M8 too, before the Marshmallow update. So I don’t think it’s an Adoptable Storage thing. I have yet to try moving apps to SD card again.

  • HeatFan786

    Relax folks, just pressure Samsung and they will cave. Just use your social media accounts to voice your concerns.

  • John

    So this is a raid setup in computer terms. N for people that used raid setups…u know how it turned out when one drive goes bad and most have a backup function as well. Doubt googles implementation would have that safety net.

  • Captain_Doug

    Is this something that could be enabled by an update?

  • Gary Funk

    I don’t like, nor do I want, Adoptable Storage unless the phone has two SD card slots. I want removable storage, as most of those that want a phone with a SD card. If you want Adoptable Storage then don’t buy the S7.

  • Bonedatt

    … “With a non-adopted SD card, anyone with an SD card slot can access the contents of your SD card”…. So are you saying that my 64GB SD card that I encrypted while in my Galaxy Note 4 can be accessed by any device with an SD card slot?

  • Gary Graf

    Why not have it in the developer options??? If you’re savy enough to know how to unlock them, then you probably know what you’re getting into with adoptable storage.

    • redbar0n11

      3 things: 1) Yes. 2) I have never owned a Galaxy S#, so I don’t know if Dev Options are even there?? And 3) Even so, I can bet my house that they are going to milk the extra storage space @[email protected] rapage $$$$$$$ for as long as they can. I’m sure they make Millions on people upgrading from 32GB to XXXGB while it only costs them like 2$ more or something crazy. EDIT: I’m sure Dev is there on LG, they seem pretty good and non-locked down, but I’m sure they like the extra moolah too.

      • Gary Graf

        Dev options are baked into the android

        • redbar0n11

          I understand they are “baked in”… However, these are customized versions with Skins on top. What I’m saying is that the overlaying Skin might not have that option in it. So, it might not be able to be accessed.

  • RiceCake

    Maybe some consumers like to put the cards into their computers to transfer rather than plugging a phone in. Can the cards be “unadopted “? So that if your phone bites the dust and you need a replacement then your pretty much out of luck? If you need to put your card into another phone and it’s adopted then you won’t be able to get any information out of it. Seems a bit unpractical.

    Adoptable storage is just so you don’t move paid apps to an sd and then distribute them to everyone. Doesn’t that seem to be the point?

    • New_Guy

      Yep, once it’s adopted it cannot be unadopted. Not unless you format the card. Goodbye photos of Grammy if you ever break your phone.

      • RiceCake

        Then LG and Samsung are doing the smart thing by not including adoptable storage. Who steals an SD card anyway? If anything you steal the phone and post it to Craigslist ASAP.

        Like I assume it’s to stop any piracy of paid apps.

      • tansuperman

        I think 99 percent of everyone on Android uses some sort of cloud back up for pics

  • Jason Bittner

    “with support up to 2TB (!).” The last 2 or 3 phones from LG all had that

  • Brenden Keene

    Should have made it enable-able through Dev options…

  • drcaveman

    I’ve got the 64GB note 5 and I’m hoping Samsung keeps the option for 32 or 64 on the Note line. Right now I have 32GB free, when I was traveling in bad service areas of the US and when I was in Russia. I had under 10GB free as I had Here Maps stored, my favorite playlist downloaded, a ton of pictures and videos. The pictures to SD card would help me deal with this but it would not be ideal I hat having to think about managing storage on any of my phones.

    • Bruce Kraft

      same here. 64gb ftw

    • AlexFirth91

      128GB would be better. Zero complaints about space on my iPhone 6 plus.

  • Rev

    280 mb/s

    • seattle tech

      That might fit in the LG magic slot

      • Rev

        Haha quick search. I see its not an adapter now but a full sd…

        Well here we go 275 MB/s

  • seattle tech

    Guessing but adoptable storage was only made to benefit Google. Not for us. Its so they can sell the cheapest android phones in emerging markets at the lowest prices.

    • tansuperman

      Not true. Works very well on my nvidia shield tv

      • seattle tech

        I have a shield tv too and it only has 16gb so it makes sense.

  • MrMLK

    Adoptable storage is a great idea for 16GB phones, not particularly useful for 32GB phones and useless for 64GB and 128GB phones.

    • Charlie R.

      Total opinion on your part. It would be a deal breaker for me with a 64gb phone.

  • seattle tech

    Once reason samsung put on 32gb was so that the S8 will come 64gb standard

    • Jeremy Turnley

      Well, close. They put on 32GB so US carriers could justify making more profit – the SD slot used as justification. Same reason Apple still sells 16GB phones.

      • seattle tech

        32gb for most is doable. 16gb on an iphone is crime.

        • Jeremy Turnley

          Yep. By ONLY selling 32s, now the sales reps in stores can up-sell horrendously overpriced SD cards to newbs who think TPU cases should cost $50.

  • hkklife

    Personally, I don’t see any reason for Google to ever HAVE offered to utilize microSD slots with this bizarre adoptable mode. Leaning on manufacturers to stop being so stingy with their internal storage and/or cutting back on the bloat is a far better solution. Yes, I insist on having a microSD card as much as anyone else but I ONLY use it for storing media files. Anything that is an executable/APK should only reside internally for performance reasons.

    • Jeremy Turnley

      They implemented the feature for super low-end phones for emerging markets, so a company could sell phones with internal storage that’s basically just a ROM and everything else going to dirt cheap SD storage – if you remember early android devices running 1.x and 2.x relied on SD for everything, this is the same thing. They never intended it for use in flagship-level stuff, and hence these don’t have it.

  • stanley

    What would been smart is if they made it an option to turn on, say in developer settings, for the users that knows what it is and wants to use it. Then they wouldn’t have to worry about all those excuses they’re making.

  • deskjob

    That’s too bad. That really makes the microSD card a lot less useful, especially with cloud storage for photo/video/music.

    I suppose you could still do it the old fashion way with special partition, etc, but that’s way above what the average consumer will be able to do.

    I guess it’s back to waiting for the new Nexus…

  • Defenestratus

    Remember Samsung has a feedback link on their homepage. Make sure to use it if you’re as displeased about this 32gb only BS.

  • Jason Rock

    My question is how many of you have actually used adoptable storage or seen the process to use adoptable storage I have an Nvidia k1 when you put the SD card in it clearly give you an option of using adoptable storage or use as regular SD card they should have left the option in and then just gave the usual the choice and explain both in detail then we would still have the option of a bigger than 32 gig storage without it this phone won’t work for a lot of people that need more storage for apps and games.

  • Bootleg Zani

    After a 128 GB phone I can’t go back to 32 GBs EVER!

    • cdm283813

      What exactly did you load up on a 128 GB phone? I doubt that most people need this much for apps and games. Otherwise load up the SD card with music and videos.

      • seattle tech

        Vr apps and video can eat that up fast. Everyone has their own needs

      • ramifications

        For me, it’s pictures and videos when I go on vacation, plus my music (and no cloud music is not an option because of data caps, no internet when abroad or flying, etc.). But mostly it’s pics and videos.

      • Bootleg Zani

        I need as much downloaded music, videos, games as possible for the NJ Transit delays. NJ Transit where a 1 hour express train ride turns into 5 hours. God I love NYC!

      • Alana

        I need larger than 32GB. I keep my music, vids, & many apps on my SD card. Yet, I’m about to be completely out of internal storage space.

  • Me

    Ehhh who cares

  • XvierX

    Is that the edge pictured?

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    Speaking on SD Cards anyone know the fastest 64GB I can get? Both Read/Write Fast.

  • mcdonsco

    Seriously? Why!

  • Steven

    I like the idea of adoptable storage… in some cases. I like it as a way to get a more unified storage experience when using your phone, but when the SD card dies you are pretty much SOL. But on my nVidia shield TV, the 16GB storage was ridiculous. Not all of the games would accept going to the SD card, and the games could be quite large. It was also difficult to transfer items to different directories on the SD card and have other programs read it. So now, I have added a 2TB USB drive and added it as internal storage. Shouldn’t have a problem with running out of storage for a long time.

  • IgotGAME

    Can you still move apps to SD card in Marshmallow?

    I have a 32GB Note 3 an have 8GB left on my internal storage and don’t really see me ever filling that up honestly and I already have tons of apps.

    • tansuperman

      Note 3 will not be getting marshmallow

  • jnt

    In the past Samsung had the option to move apps to the SD card even when it was disabled in Android. I wonder if they will still maintain that ability despite leaving adoptable storage out.

  • Taios

    Well I think the bigger factor is that performance will suffer with adoptable storage. Not everyone will understand that it is so because of the sd cards speed.

    • While I fully understand that, I don’t see why they would kill it off completely. Leave it there, plaster it with boat loads of warnings upon warnings about performance and removal and then let customers decide. This is the same company that didn’t think about putting an S Pen in backwards, but now is all about customer protection.

      • seattle tech

        I think this feature was just added because android one couldnt compete properly. They can sell phones at rock bottom prices and have people add their own sd card. Important in emerging markets

        • Jeremy Turnley

          SD is so much cheaper than internal, they can afford to bundle a 32GB card (they retail for $10, bulk they’re around $3) as part of the phone. It makes a LOT more sense to do it this way in emerging markets than it does to spend money on extra onboard eMMC.

    • tansuperman

      Just don’t buy crap SD cards. I only buy the best

  • i9

    I don’t even consider Samsung phones because of its heavy-handed design decisions.

    • cdm283813

      It also affects LG and maybe other unreleased phones with SD card slots running Marshmallow. We won’t know until another OEM releases a flagship phone.

  • FreeLivin

    IMO adopting your sdcard to the device is stupid. To do so is only going to confuse the consumer more then they already are. Second what happens come the day the sdcard dies & you have no idea what is lost or not with no way to check. And lastly the sdcard just became useless to anything but that one device seeing as it will be encrypted. This day and age the mfgs just need to get with the program and put a bigger amount of mem in the devices for as cheap as it costs them. And besides at the retail price they are hitting us for there is NO reason they can’t up the internal storage. I mean come on we all know NONE of these things cost anywhere near the retail price. At best its maybe a 1/3 so they have plenty of margin to work with

  • Butane87

    So basically you’d need to buy an SD card for each device you have and you wouldn’t be able to bring your photos or music with you if you get a new device?

    • Correct.

    • marcusmarcus2

      You would not have to buy an SD card for each device. You would just backup all your data to your computer or cloud and move it to your new device like you would do with any smartphone that doesn’t have and SD card. You would not have to buy a new SD card for your new phone, just move your current one over. Yes it won’t be able to read the info in it due to it being encrypted, but you can format it so it will work in the new phone. Then just restore all the information you need from your backup.

  • samsung_phones_hideous

    good thing Samsung phones are already too ugly for me to consider ever buying them. LG’s are nicer, but both have ugly as hell software too. always nexus forever.

    • seattle tech

      haha

  • Jonathan

    More than 32 GB for the OS and apps? WOW… No adoptable storage? Don’t care.

  • matt

    adoptable storage makes sense when the sd card is hidden behind the battery, but when it is easily accessible on the side of your phone or something the simple storage makes more sense. Your logic of the user base will probably this an issue that shouldn’t be one.

    One option would be allow the user to somehow enable it under the developer options if that that is possible with these phones.

  • mickeyB88

    If read/write speeds (with encryption) on SD cards is that much of an issue, it may not be outside the realm of expectation to have some sort of Google-verified list of SD cards with acceptable write speeds. If they want this to be a feature, make it accessible and understandable by both the user and the developer.

  • T4rd

    I’d say this has more to do with SD cards not being able to touch the performance read/write speeds of the internal UFS 2.0 memory. So they don’t want people severely degrading the speed of their phone by converting their SD cards to “internal” storage.

    • drcaveman

      So why wouldn’t Samsung have kept two storage options for the US and Europe. The rest of the world can choose 32GB or 64Gb in the US and Europe it’s to bad you only get 32GB

  • T_Dizzle

    Not buying either but that would bother me if I was contemplating it.

  • krubby

    Just curious, I don’t know much about this but love learning…

    I get the idea that this ties the SD card to the device, but what happens if you drop your phone and ruin it? Gets wet and stops working? Can you pull the SD card out and at least get the normal pictures, music etc off of it? Is it just the apps and other things you can’t current store on an SD card that is lost or at least complicated to recover?

    • LewisSD

      no need to worry about that….its water resistant

      • krubby

        What is? Wouldn’t it depend on the device in question? What if the phone is dropped and screen shatters?

        Again, I knew that may be rare. And I am not even on the market for a phone with this anyway at this time. Just asking to learn a bit.

        • krubby

          BTW I might not think of such things except my Droid Turbo 2 decided to hide in the bed sheets one day and took a nice ride in the washing machine and was ruined. My 6 day old Droid Turbo 2…

          Side note credit card insurance covered the whole thing though which was nice.

          Still that is kind of an example of the questions I would have

        • LewisSD

          I don’t have a real answer as to how the data would be recovered if its encrypted. I was just referring to the galaxy s7 (one of the two devices this article is about) being water proof up to 5ft for 30 minutes.

    • Erick Wright

      You won’t be able to use that card unless you reformat it so you won’t be able to get pictures

    • Jeremy Turnley

      Erick is correct, if you turn on Adaptive storage, the card is encrypted and is only usable in that phone unless you format it – no recovery option possible. So make sure you are using a cloud service to back things up – you have a few dozen to choose from, and many are free for photos.

      • krubby

        Thanks. I don’t even have a phone that has this option, and I do use a cloud service to back up my photos. Plus about once a month I move them over to PC and I also have a backup drive and about once a quarter I dump them all to a DVD – Usually I have anywhere from 2-5 places my photos are stored. A bit of over kill I know but oh well.
        Again some of this is I just love reading about all of this stuff. Goofy I know but this site is a great place to read opinions and learn.
        Thanks again to you and Erick and Lewis for the replies

  • LewisSD

    This should be an option to turn off or on under developer settings….

  • Suicide_Note

    So, because a few customers are idiots and don’t know what they’re doing with their phones, a handy feature is removed completely for everyone? Nice move by LG and Samsung to both treat their userbase like they’re a bunch of four year olds.

    https://media4.giphy.com/media/SEp6Zq6ZkzUNW/200w.gif

    • Tyler Durden

      How does the feature work on your Nexus 6P? 😉

    • mickeyB88

      I’d imagine they’d buy a cheap, high-storage SD card, put it in and adopt it, then wonder why their phone performance is now piss-poor, or after running a benchmark wonder why they just spent their money on an SD card only to be told it isn’t good enough. It’s not about stupidity, per se, just about lack of technical knowledge.

      • charles rogers

        Don’t you have to go into settings menu to turn on adoptable storage? Or does it happen automatically?

        • Guest

          When you insert a SD card for the first time
          on an Android 6.0 Marshmallow device, you get to choose to either use the card as Portable Storage or Internal Storage

        • mickeyB88

          You’d have to manually do it. I don’t have a device that has it but it’s just one more setting someone will most likely just ignore until they’re told they can do it.

    • Synacks

      This is how all products SHOULD work. Never implement a feature that can cause reliability or performance issues for the average user. Wait until the implementation can be perfected and understood by the general user before going live with it.

    • cadtek91

      Well yes, even all user manuals should be written at an elementary school level.

  • nachofrand

    Did you ever stop and think that maybe you’re missing the point? If they both decided against it, there could be something going on that you’re not quite understanding. You’re telling all the Samsung and LG engineers that the decision they made is wrong…and you have a journalism degree..maybe not even that. You can weigh in your opinion all you want, but until you have the actual reason as to why they decided to leave it out of their design, you just look stupid. Google has been known to be vocal towards OEMs to leave out expandible storage because of the read/write speeds of SD cards don’t even compete with UFS.

    Way to go, now you just educated all of the readers who read this blog on your opinion which is clearly missing the point.

    • I feel like you’ve typed this on six other sites already as some pre-canned response. If you read the full article, there is hardly much opinion and instead just facts and explanation of benefits or issues with adoptable storage.

      All we’re doing is informing people of the situation. People should know what it is and what is or isn’t available.

    • LewisSD

      Lighten up man!

    • The Doctor

      No need to be a dick.

      • He really wants an S7 and doesn’t want to be told any potential issues with it. People get invested. It’s comical, but we see it all of the time. 🙂

    • krubby

      I had never heard of this and I like articles like this. Not everyone on here is a Android genius. Or at least I’m not.
      Thanks for the article, I liked it.

  • cadtek91

    They were advised by Google to disable it, unless the phones have a low internal storage capacity. Face it guys, Google does not like external (SD cards) storage. They added support for them just to appease us, but doesn’t mean they want us to use it for system storage.

  • Didn’t Google make officially say how it would like others to use the expandable storage option. They said something like its only good to be used for in low storage phones and special circumstances. So according to that, Samsung is doing what Google is insisting to be done. Why hate.

    • cadtek91

      Exactly.

    • Assuming 32GB in 2016 is that low. :

      • cdm283813

        Maybe it’s used for demo phones in stores. Why put 32GB in a demo model when all you need is 8GB and maybe a cheap SD card? Got to figure that 8GB SD cards are cheaper than 8GB of internal storage.
        When I was checking out devices at the Apple store I noticed that many devices were running 8GB of storage total. And this was in iPhone 6S pluses.

    • Jeremy Turnley

      Exactly. On high-end devices with super-fast storage like these phones, Adaptable storage slows things down even with the fastest SD cards, the way it disables access to internal storage when you enable it is confusing, and the whole concept is kind of a kludge even in the best case.

      They intended this system to allow people to sell 8GB low-end phones in emerging markets and allow people to use their own cheap storage, not for top-end devices that are optimized in every way for performance.

      • New_Guy

        Great point

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    So… They’re just making the feature irrelevant? And Google is helping them do it. Word is Google urges companies to not use adoptable storage if the phone has enough built in.

  • Bradley Jacobson

    I’d like to know what phones do allow for adoptable storage

    • Moto X Pure Edition does.

      • denlem

        Grrr… And here I am waiting for a deal on the 64GB version MXPE so I can have the larger internal storage. Now I learn this and could have settled for a 16GB version and adopted my SD card.

        • Butane87

          I have the MXPE right now to hold me over until March 11th. I have an SD card in it but don’t have it adopted to the internal storage. They give you the option.

        • Bobb

          do it, great great phone

  • Dale

    Is anyone surprised? These manufacturers always insist on hindering Android is some way.

  • Tyler Durden

    After reading reports of it possibly slowing down devices I’m fine with not having it. I don’t want it to mess with UFS 2.0 that’s inside of it now.

    • LewisSD

      Does it really slow the device down from an average users prescriptive?

      • Tyler Durden

        Not sure but if it’s anything like Nexus encryption, yes it’s pretty noticeable to those who care and not to those who just want a phone to use.

        • dalingrin

          Encryption on Nexus devices got a bad rap because the Nexus 6 didn’t any sort of hardware assisted encryption. This shouldn’t be an issue on the Snapdragon 820. It will have hardware instructions to accelerate ciphers.

          • Tyler Durden

            Encryption shouldn’t be an issue anymore but speed of the storage will be an issue.

        • LewisSD

          So assuming it did have the feature you are saying that apps installed on the “external storage” would run noticeably slower? I am just trying to see what the real world implication of this slower storage speed would mean for the average user. Doesn’t really matter since they have the feature disabled.

          • dalingrin

            With a Moto X Pure it is imperceptible for the applications that I have moved to my SD. I have a rather fast MicroSD card so your mileage may vary.
            For reference, I used a stop watch to compare load times for a few apps and all were within the margin of error.

          • LewisSD

            That’s what I’m getting at here with the excuse of slow performance being the reason they disabled it. I don’t think the average user would notice the difference in speed between internal and the SD storage.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            But phone benchmarkers from the competition (COUGHappleCOUGH) would have a field day with it, and bad press is something you don’t want to buy.

          • LewisSD

            I don’t think benchmarks would be affected by this. I could be wrong on that though…I also dont see the point in apple highlighting the that expandable storage is slower when they dont even offer that feature.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            Oh, they totally would. They make big money selling their “buy a bigger phone if you need more storage” gimmick. If they could prove that having external storage directly impacts the performance of a device, it would be up on a slide in giant text at the next keynote.

          • Adil Tajgeer

            if they (apple) cared about vilifying external storage, they would have done it years ago.

          • The Doctor

            You must have a UHS-3 microSD card. I’m going to pick one up for my S7 edge.

          • Synacks

            Now think about this scenario from the average user’s standpoint. They go out to Walmart or Amazon or eBay and they buy a junk $15 SD card that will probably end up failing within 6 months. All the average user cares about are gigs and dollars.

            All Samsung support has to do is tell them to remove their crap SD card when they come crying about how slow it is or that something isn’t working.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            Bear in mind, the Moto X Pure/Style use old school eMMC LPDDR3 RAM, not the high speed UFS 2.0 LPDDR4 stuff in the S7 and G5, so this is not necessarily the result you’d see on the newer phones.

          • dalingrin

            True but the Moto X Pure storage isn’t exactly slow. It can do 250MB/s(that’s bytes not bits) reads. For comparison a UFS 2.0 LPDDR4 device like the Galaxy S6 Edge+ does around 350MB/s. Certainly faster but if the difference between my internal storage an micoSD card is currently imperceptible in most cases then I don’t think UFS 2.0 is going to make much of a difference.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            The UFS 2.0 RAM can make two simultaneous 350MB I/Os per second, though (that’s what UFS 2.0 brings over eMMC). The SD can make a single read or write op of up to 95MB per second at a time. In heavy use scenarios, it could add up to quite a hit.

          • dalingrin

            So in the *rare* cases that you have heavy use scenarios then run those apps from the internal storage rather than the SD card. I’m not advocating for moving all apps to the SD card.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            You don’t have a choice. Adaptive storage doesn’t let non-system apps write to local storage once you turn it on, in order to prevent system corruption. Well, unless you are running a ROM that bypasses that via ROOT.

          • dalingrin

            Non-system apps can be freely moved between internal and external storage.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            That is not how Google describes the feature. You aren’t supposed to be able to write to or even browse the internal storage once it’s enabled according to the whitepaper I read when they announced it. I wonder if something changed, or if Moto changed the implementation.

          • dalingrin

            This is as it has existed in AOSP since it’s inception.

          • Jason B

            You’re mixing NAND flash and RAM types together.
            UFS 2.0 and eMMC 5.x are NAND flash storage solutions
            LPDDR3/LPDDR4 are system RAM

            RAM will always outperform NAND flash by about 20x, up to around 55x (LPDDR4).

            5000-20000MB/s (5-20GB/s) vs 250-350MB/s

            SD cards don’t use either UFS or eMMC. UHS-I is pretty slow in comparison. UHS-II is better, but not even the Snapdragon 820 supports UHS-II.

          • Daistaar

            It won’t run the app slower but it may take an extra second or two to open that app. It’s the same a argument of running a PlayStation 4 with a mechanical or solid state drive. Watch one of those videos and you’ll get the argument here.

      • Cory S

        SD cards are a heck of a lot slower than the internal storage, so it wouldn’t surprise me.

    • nachofrand

      Tyler, I couldn’t agree more. Thank you for using your brain today 🙂

      • Tyler Durden

        I try too!

        Sometimes…

        Edit: and I used two o’s. Son of a…

        • nachofrand

          Respect for keeping it *double pound chest*

    • dalingrin

      That’s sweet that you are fine with not having it. That’s not a good reason to disable the option entirely. Adoptable storage isn’t mandatory on any Android device.
      With Adoptable Storage you choose which apps would be on the SD card anyway, so even if it were enabled you can still store most or all apps on the internal fast UFS 2.0 storage. At least with adoptable storage you have the option to move apps to the SD card.

      • Tyler Durden

        Yes. I’m fine. Other people? I don’t speak for them. I know.

      • nachofrand

        Just shut your mouth. He’s right for once. Let him have his glory.

        • dalingrin

          Except he’s not right =)
          Adoptable Storage doesn’t mess with the UFS 2.0 internal storage. Adoptable storage doesn’t slow down the internal storage since it doesn’t do any kind of striping.

          • nachofrand

            haha. well, when your data is on an SD card and you want to transfer data to/from it, the limiting factor in this equation is how fast the sd card can transfer data. I’ll copy paste data I said below:

            A SanDisk class 10 SDHC card has sustainable transfer rates of 80Mb/s. UFS 2.0 has transfer rates of up to 2.9Gb/s per lane, with support for 2 lanes…giving it transfer rates of 5.8Gb/s. 100x slower is a pretty large difference.

          • LewisSD

            What are you transferring to and from your phone that requires that speed and that would be large enough to notice the difference?

          • nachofrand

            Opening an app you’d notice a difference in speed between it being stored on your internal memory and an sd card. Although darlingrin notes above that Sandisk announced an sd card that can do 275MB/s reads. I still wouldn’t want to store an app on an sd card.

          • LewisSD

            Id be interested in seeing what the actual difference is between opening apps on a SD and opening the same apps on internal storage. That would make for a great video.

          • dalingrin

            Comparing interface speeds isn’t particularly helpful. Just because your device has a UFS 2.0 interface doesn’t mean its going to give you 5.8Gb/s speeds. For example, the UFS 2.0 Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ has around 150MB/s sequential reads and 20MB/s random writes. A recently announced Sandisk MicroSD card can do 275MB/s reads.

            That said, generally the internal storage will be faster than a MicroSD card but that still doesn’t mean that Adoptable storage will slow down the UFS 2.0 internal storage. Adoptable storage means that you *choose* what if anything you want to put on the SD card. It gives you the best of both worlds with the only real disadvantage being that you can’t hotplug SD cards anymore.

            Like I posted below, I have the Moto X Pure and in practice Adoptable Storage’s speed penalty is imperceptible. I would consider myself a power user. That doesn’t mean I put every app on the SD card but apps I rarely use are on my SD card to free up my measly 16GB of internal storage.

          • nachofrand

            When memory access times are the slowest stage in a pipeline, by far, I’d prefer not having anything slower in nature. That’s my personal opinion.

          • dalingrin

            Right, it’s your opinion which is why YOU shouldn’t use Adoptable storage but it shouldn’t be disabled for everyone.
            Those of us who prefer empirical facts to theory may want to use it =P

          • nachofrand

            Haha, all the numbers we pointed out are theoretical besides the actual rd/wr speeds of the gs6. I’d be nice to have the option, but confusing 99% isn’t ideal.

          • dalingrin

            I was referring to another post below where I mentioned that I used a stop watch to verify my apps weren’t launching slower on my SD card. When I first got my Moto X I didn’t think I’d use Adoptable Storage for the same reasons you aren’t. But, after testing with the stop watch I do use it for a few apps.

          • nachofrand

            I’m happy to hear that

          • iKrontologist

            Why? ……so you can prove what an idiot you are? Adaptive Memory is a feature that has not yet proved itself. Search the web for these two standards; UHS-I vs UHS-II in SD card slots? Get a phone where they are already are using Adaptive Memory. Because all the problems with corruption…. some of those who originally had it in the phone, killed the feature. Because only the SD card memory shows up in a file manager… and that’s any file manager. It just no longer allows access to the phone memory in the file manager.

            That’s a safeguard to keep people from corrupting main memory….. moving files they shouldn’t, etc. What can you do? Well you could root the phone and turn file search system wide in root. You’ll have access to any and every file on the phone. But you’ll have to turn off any and all encryption software and disable any Android encryption going on. Now your phone with this feature turned on you can actually transfer phone member files to your SD card and you’re all set for having it YOUR WAY!!!

            Only you will now have to guard your phone night n day to make sure the kids or wife don’t attempt to move the wrong file to the wrong place. Oh…… remain disconnected from any connection wired or wireless. So online hackers or maybe a hacker frenemy locally can’t go search for porn and dig up some nasty malware or ransomware. Also beware of data miners pinging you for the setup to get hacked. Without encryption of any kind you will now be a sitting duck…… so sit back and relax, while you get screwed! 😀

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          • Jarred Sutherland

            Good overview man, love technical the technical details.

          • Jason B

            Except you’ll never see 275MB/s sequential over UHS-I, which is what most phones and SoCs currently support. Nowhere close to that. Of course, I did my due diligence, and the card you reference is indeed UHS-II. Yes, it’s backwards compatible, but only to the maximum capable speeds of UHS-I.

            You generally won’t see advertised sequential read/write speeds inside phones either because they’re not transferring over USB 3.0. All advertised speeds are achieved using USB 3.x card readers. SoC to SD is a bit slower using the SoC’s integrated host controller. The max I’ve seen in my MXPE is 80MB/s seq. read and 30MB/s seq. write with my U3 card as portable and unencrypted.

            I found Google’s Adoptable Storage clunky and poorly implemented. Apps that don’t support moving to SD will NEVER install to the “internal” SD card even though storage is automatically selected by the OS. For the most part, the OS will fill the internal eMMC drive first, then try to store data on the SD card if apps support dynamic location installs and data storage (OBBs and large caches can usually go to either drive).

            You can force a move manually, for apps that support it, but even that is a step backwards as there’s no overview menu of apps that actually support moving. You have to tap through a few menus for EACH app. I guess this is to encourage you to let the OS manage things.

            Migrating system based userdata back to internal eMMC (if you moved it to SD initially) is buried in the Storage settings too.

            A lot of people keep thinking that Adoptable Storage makes it one seamless drive, which is not how it’s implemented. There are still two drives, but the OS is supposed to intelligently manage storage. Apps like Play Music and Play Movies will lose the ability to store solely on the SD card. Instead, it’ll fill the eMMC first, so you better hope the file system is f2fs to reduce the performance penalty of filling it (MXPE uses f2fs for userdata on eMMC).

          • Joeyfrombklyn

            thanks, for the best explanation I’ve heard on this subject, I’ve only read a few articles on this that were for the most part lacking any technical information.

          • iKrontologist

            Actually there is no phone out yet that is taking advantage of UHS-II’s Full Duplex Simultaneous READ & WRITE or the faster speeds. Reality only those with high end camera should even bother to spend the something like $1000 for a New MicroSDXC with full UHS-II speeds and features! ……otherwise this is a good explanation!!!

            But what I’m wondering is why SDA Standards for this came out years ago and why aren’t we seeing any of the new slots with extra row of pins out yet? I have the $3500 Samsung NX1 kit and I bought a smaller capacity SD card with extra row of pins. Then discovered that if I put it in my USB 2.0 card reader…… the speeds on the NX1 obliterate it. So yeah…. I had to buy a USB-3.0 SD card reader. But then again I cheaped out on this laptop and didn’t get a fast SSD drive for it!

            Once I bought an SSD drive it got real on both the laptop and when reading and writing to that MicroSDXC UHS-II memory in a USB 3.0 memory card reader!

            Now over the last two years I’ve been waiting for Samsung to upgrade to this new memory standard. Looks like they went with the old UHS-I card slot:
            https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/bus_speed/

            Do a search and I’m not the only one complaining about this. What’s the problem with bringing the new card slot to phones? But then I stumbled on people having the same problems with Surface Pro’s still using UHS-I slots? I feel like we are all getting the runaround. Maybe the members in SDA are charging too much for licensing standards? Maybe since UHS-II memory cards are still not selling that well it hasn’t reached critical mass for even putting them in phones and Windows 10 computers?

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          • bkosh84

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          • iKrontologist

            Here you are simply ignoring the facts here. If you think you can put that new Sandisk MicroSDXC UHS-II memory card in these last generation memory slots and get all that speed, you’re fooling yourself. The memory card has an extra row of pins that the slot does not!

            Only…. and I mean only…. devices we’ve seen come out using the new Micro or standard SD UHS-II slot are high end cameras. I know because I have Samsung’s $3500 NX1 camera kit. Put that memory card into anything else with UHS-I slot in it and it drops speeds to old UHS-I speeds and it can’t do Full Duplex simultaneous READ and Write!

            Adaptable Storage is for those who can’t afford to buy a premium phone with more or better UFS memory or upgrades. Maybe you could go buy the New $1000…. 500GB MicroSDXC UHS-II memory card and this LG G5 with 2TB SD card capability. Stick it in the phone, Benchmark the difference and do the same on a PC. You’ll need a USB 3.0 port on the PC and a USB 3.0 card reader. Which must support UHS-II compatibility. Let us know how super fast it is on that new phone! 😀 …..you know so you can prove theirs a huge difference for yourself!!!

            Here’s the differences in pictures for you;
            https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/bus_speed/

          • nachofrand

            Thought I’d follow up with benchmarks:

            https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNfV-YZ2yABv3iguXR0FVyFLXuiBM1RsB0VW8AHV7_y3p3pXkyDy-yJXrt1Qi-HOg?key=TXVzOGJMb3dlTWdncEt0UGcycUJSOXd4MjBsNHR3

            External: 71MB/s read; 55 MB/s write (SanDisk Extreme)

            Internal: 300MB/s read; 91 MB/s write

          • Mohammed Taher

            I have a sd card with 150mb/s read and 65 mb/s write . and if I had adoptable storage I would have a sweat deal

          • DainLaguna

            You realize that there are much faster sd cards than class 10’s right? Google themselves recommends that you use a faster standard if its going to be used in your phone.

            I’ve experienced no slowdown on my moto x pure.

          • nachofrand

            good to know

          • Maranello Santiago

            What kind of sd card do you use?

          • DainLaguna

            I use a sandisk extreme uhs-1 card.

            http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013CP5F90?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00

            Is it faster than samsungs on board storage implementation? Of course not. Has it caused any sort of appreciable slow down on my moto x pure? Nope.

          • Bruce Kraft

            interesting, do you have a link to support this? I’m really curious

          • iKrontologist

            Partly right….. and true to a point. These phones must utilize two memory controllers. The eMMC controller for SD card and UFS 2.0 memory controller for the main UFS memory. Many features are diametrically opposed and can possibly corrupt one or the other going from one to the other. But listen why argue or try to force these two companies to do what you think is right? When you don’t really understand what’s going on in the first place!

          • Guest

            Yeah shut up…

        • Adil Tajgeer

          right or not, the issue comes down to an option. they could have easily buried it down in menus so that only people who really are sure they want it with whatever cons it may bring, can choose to enable it.

          it shouldn’t be enabled by default, but the option to enable it at my own peril shouldn’t be taken away.

          i’m still getting the s7 edge, but i wish it had adoptable storage.

          • nachofrand

            I agree with you, but you have no idea the reason they left it out. LG did it too. There may be something here that was going on behind the scenes that they had to leave it out. You have no idea so it’s pretty foolish to say “they could have easily buried it down in menus…”

          • Adil Tajgeer

            from a coding standpoint, i can say with some certainty they could have left it in. being that it is part of the OS, they had to make an effort to remove it, whereas leaving the option in and adding in some extra warnings as to what it does and what the consequences are would be fairly simple relatively speaking.

            but yes, i don’t work for them so i can’t say 100%.

            what i was basically trying to say was they could have easily made it a hard to find setting (bury the option in dev settings or something) the part of why they chose to remove it is a separate question.

            and LG will basically do whatever samsung does, just worse.

          • Daistaar

            From a coding perspective it’s most like there but commented out. Easiest way to remove something at compile time.

          • Daistaar

            Sort of how people were able to switch from Dalvik to ART; then again Samsung disabled that too. I’d love the have and try it.

          • Adil Tajgeer

            to be fair, dalvik went away with 5.0 so there was no way to leave it in if samsung wanted to use the new version of android.

          • Daistaar

            Correct but ART was available in Android 4.3 and up under developer mode for anyone willing to test it. It was faster than Dalvik but had little app support. Samsung disabled it developer settings so people wouldn’t complain they had issues. Other OEMs allowed you to use it if you wanted to.

          • Adil Tajgeer

            oh they disabled it in 4.x?

      • jnt

        Isn’t it possible that Samsung maintained the ability to move apps to the SD card? They’ve done that in the past despite Android not “allowing” it.

        • Adil Tajgeer

          honestly, even if it works how sd cards work in 5.1.1 it will be okay (apps being able to move some of their data to the SD card)

          as well as apps like spotify and google play music being able to cache and save music to the sd card.

      • iKrontologist

        Ok I’m going to try to explain this to you in grade school terms, so you don’t miss the finer points. We have had two new memory card slots in eMMC memory phones for ages. They both use the memory controller differently. The old antiquated 2000’s SDA card slot uses UHS-I standards and new card slots for some reason are only being put into high end cameras so far as UHS-II standards. The difference is stark and unmistakable in both speed and feature set.

        The newest card slot has an extra row of pins to support newest Micro or standard Memory Cards. It’s also backwards compatible with old UHS-I memory cards using either eMMC 4.0 or above controllers or UFS 2.0 Memory controllers (btw… UFS 2.0 will replace eMMC eventually). The new standards in the new slot (it’s available in Samsung’s $3500 Award Winning NX1 Camera Kit… but not phones for some reason).

        That extra row of pins gives it the ability to not only be ultra fast…. but to do it on both read and write simultaneously. Prior to this all slots and memory cards suffer with M$’s FAT/ExFAT file system. Which is a wreck waiting to happen. Meaning Corruption is inevitable, but more so when use this new feature in Marshmallow.

        Actually it’s obvious Google was targeting older or cheaper Android phones with this feature. Phones that only have 4, 8 or 16GB. Install apps to the SD card with Adaptive Memory and it probably makes it a better experience with more local storage. But on at least Samsung’s phones with UFS 2.0 Memory you aren’t going to want to install some huge game on the SD card. Although you can choose where to install it. So what’s the point? Molasses pours faster than you can copy, transfer or move files.

        AND now for the biggy; “My Files” file manager (or any 3rd party file manager in Play Store) can’t see the main memory to even move it to the SD card w/ Adaptive Memory turned on. You can no longer use a file manager to explore your main memory. Pull the SD card even with the phone off and you just lost all the data that was on it. Put it back in and boot it up and you’ll be asked whether you want to reformat it and use Adaptive Storage again, as if it had never been reformatted. That’s because this isn’t like RAID array on PC’s and if it’s used with UFS 2.0 memory it has to use two different controllers. It uses eMMC controller for SD card memory and UFS 2.0 Memory controller for the phone’s main memory. The conflicts are too many too count. You have main memory that is not only fast, but is capable of many features only available to SSD drives or slots (UHS-II) that no phone maker seems to be able to put in phones. These new slots do have the extra row of pins and backwards compatibility with old slow last gen UHS-I memory cards. Plus this one major addition to the equation. UHS-1 slots are half duplex read or write only in one direction at a time. UHS-II cards and slots can do Full Duplex Simultaneous READ and WRITE!!!

        The other scenario isn’t available on any phone yet and will probably come out in an update with a future Android version. That would be where SDA and phone makers finally move to UHS-II Standards memory card slots. That’s because we can finally use the new UFS 2.0 Memory Controller on EVERYTHING!!! …..and the new MicroSDXC UHS-II Memory cards come down in price. Until then we are better off sticking to NOT installing Apps to a lame duck screwed feature poor old UHS-I Memory card!

        • ACA7

          If it is true that when Adoptable Storage is turned and when you remove the card from the phone (even when the phone is off) it would ask to reformat the card, this would explain why Samsung and LG have disabled this. Their card slots share the same tray as the simcard. So if the user, for whatever reason, needs to access the simcard they would also destroy whatever was on the memory card, regardless of doing this while the phone is completely off. This is too big a risk for the manufacturers and comes down to the risky nature of this Adoptable Storage setup.

    • TriguyRN

      That is a great argument actually. I agree.

    • Nashdroid ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

      All I use my external storage for, currently, is for my camera and music. This is not a deal-breaker for me, at all. I actually prefer it. Moving on. I agree TD.

    • Cowboydroid

      That doesn’t address the problem of not having the option.

      • Tyler Durden

        Can’t help you there

    • Forgive my noob question, but can this be modified with an app (assuming no root), thereby making it “adoptable”? Thanks.

    • DainLaguna

      those reports were probably describing folks who bought cheap as hell sd cards.

      • Tyler Durden

        No Sd cards even come close to UFS 2.0 so anything will be a downgrade

        • DainLaguna

          You’re talking theoretical speeds though. The only thing that samsungs claimed speeds are actually good for is looking good on anandtech spreadsheets.(if you have proof in the day to day that is appreciably faster, i’d actually be really interested in seeing it.)

          Considering touchwiz, despite optimizations, still slows down over time and introduces hiccups everywhere on the os, its safe to assume that in the real world, you’re not going to notice how much faster that implementation actually is.

          At any rate, its still not addressing the big issue: why did they disable it? Are they trying to keep folks from buying sd cards and using them? That’s kinda totally contrary to how they used to champion the inclusion of a reader. Now they are gimping it.

          I find it very telling that Google, the folks who freaking make and design the O.S., suggest certain sd cards for optimal performance, but now that they’ve embraced supporting sd cards and samsung is the one falling short, somehow folks are STILL advocating for samsungs approach.

          If we replace ‘samsung’ with ‘apple’ I think we’d be throwing some barnyard animal titles around.

        • nachofrand

          Thought I’d follow up:

          https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNfV-YZ2yABv3iguXR0FVyFLXuiBM1RsB0VW8AHV7_y3p3pXkyDy-yJXrt1Qi-HOg?key=TXVzOGJMb3dlTWdncEt0UGcycUJSOXd4MjBsNHR3

          External: 71MB/s read; 55 MB/s write (SanDisk Extreme)
          Internal: 300MB/s read; 91 MB/s write

  • The Doctor

    So LG and Samsung are treating their user base like they’re a bunch of idiots. They should have a little more faith than that.

    I would think a simple tutorial would help with explaining the adoptable storage when you turn on adoptable storage on the phone, much like the tutorials on how to set up fingerprint sensors.

    • Butane87

      They treat people that way because people ARE idiots…(i/e: reverse s pen debacle)

      • The Doctor

        Touché.

    • Suicide_Note

      Exactly this.

    • nachofrand

      Go do some research on the read/write speeds of an sd card vs UFS 2.0. Then come back with an educated opinion. This article is sad journalism.

      • The Doctor

        Don’t you dare insult me. I know exactly how UFS 2.0 works.

        If you actually read the article that Kellex posted, you’d see he wrote this: “(after it runs a benchmark to determine if it is fast enough to keep up)”. He’s talking about microSD card slot read/write speeds there, slick.

        • Jeremy Turnley

          “Fast enough to keep up” does not equal “isn’t going to slow down your system”, though. Not saying you don’t have a point, just there’s more to it. With AS, the OS keeps writing to the onboard storage for swap and such, so benchmarks generally don’t take much of a hit, but apps are required to run from SD, so they can, and often do.

        • nachofrand

          Let me enlighten you. A SanDisk class 10 SDHC card has sustainable transfer rates of 80Mb/s. UFS 2.0 has transfer rates of up to 2.9Gb/s per lane, with support for 2 lanes…giving it transfer rates of 5.8Gb/s. That’s a pretty large difference.

          Google is vocal about OEMs not including expandable storage unless necessary and there’s a reason why. Those transfer rates aren’t even close. When memory access speeds are far and beyond the limiting factor in speed of a system, it’s a big deal when your sd cards transfers data *100 times* slower.

          • The Doctor

            A SanDisk UHS-3 microSD card has transfer rates of 95MB/s–fast enough to record 4K video. Your numbers are in megabits/second–so much slower than megabytes per second.

            Don’t talk to me like I’m an idiot.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            Not to defend him, but 5.8 gbits = 725 mbytes. That’s still a huge margin.

          • The Doctor

            No..no…no…he said SDHC cards have a transfer rates of 80Mb/s when in fact they have transfer speeds at 80MB/s. There’s a huge difference. 80Mb/s is so much smaller than 80MB/s.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            Yes, but his point is the internal memory has a speed of 5.8 gbits, or 725 megabytes per second, which you would be trading for 80 megabytes if you switched to adaptive storage (AS disables non-system access to the internal storage when you turn it on, so all your apps install and run from SD, while the OS runs from internal).

          • The Doctor

            I know that.

    • cdm283813

      I heard that Google recommend that the feature be disabled. Makes total since if both LG and Samsung are doing it at the same time. Can we really place the blame on LG and Samsung alone?

  • Robbie Gerling

    If anything, why isn’t this option included in the developer options, which takes some decent know-how to access and manipulate… I like the idea of adoptable storage, but what does it matter if none of the heavy hitters are going to “adopt” it’s use? Sorry for the pun, but W-T-F?!

    • Suicide_Note

      This isn’t a complicated thing. All that’s needed is a simple tutorial to explain how adopted storage works. There’s no reason for this to be a developer option.

      • Robbie Gerling

        I guess my point goes along with what others have gone into detail discussing above. Samsung/LG may have not included it for one reason or another, but if its a newly included feature of Android, why forcible cut it out of use? I’m sure a lot of people would say this about many other features, but why not make it a choice for the end-user, and simply put it somewhere with some obvious caveats i.e. unlocking the bootloader?

        • SeanPR11

          One of many reasons I’m done with Samsung’s BS.