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Report: Samsung Ditching KNOX in Favor of Google Taking Over Android Security

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The last news that we heard in regard to KNOX, Samsung’s answer for a secure Android platform, was that it had just gotten approval from the American government for use by government officials. After receiving such a vote of confidence, it looked like KNOX was on its way to being something we could see more of, but today’s report points to Samsung ditching the project all together. 

A report out of Forbes today, says that despite getting the nod from the US Government, KNOX was adopted by less than 2% of all of Samsung’s marketshare. Take that into account with Samsung’s drop in profit and sales last month, then you have a good reason to scrap the project that was introduced to make Android more secure.

The rest of the Forbes report lays out a plan for Google itself to step up and take control of the Android security problem. Google has apparently been working on a KNOX-like system, but one that will be baked into Android itself.

This new solution is reportedly still in the very early stages, something we will certainly not see in Android L and has not been field-tested in any way. It’s an exciting thought, though, but as we like to say here at DL, “nothing is confirmed.”

Via: Forbes
  • http://twitter.com/jdrch jdrch

    Fantastic news.

    • John

      It’s not news, its a lie espoused by a random blogger which was echoed by a dozen other sites.

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  • tom

    Letting Google is somewhat akin to giving the chicken house key to the fox …… Google has made untold $$$$ selling our personal info to anyone willing to pay

    • Dan DeMarco

      Then don’t use Android, bro.

  • John

    Who says that samsung is abandoning KNOX, except for one speculative blogger? And based on what?

    “”Samsung is committed to the long term evolution of mobile
    security and the ongoing development of Samsung KNOX. While Samsung is
    contributing a part of KNOX technology for the benefit of the entire
    Android community and enterprise customers, Samsung KNOX remains the
    most secure Android platform from the hardware to the application level.
    Samsung will continue to work with our partners to enable KNOX for all
    of our valued customers. Our list of enterprise and government clients
    continues to grow rapidly, and is a testament to our commitment to
    providing highly-desirable, secure mobile devices across all
    industries.””

  • EP_2012

    Ditching KNOX on the Note 4 would be the best feature Samsung could give us!

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  • Lumia Nexus

    one more reason to dicth this useless eco system that has no fixed long term plan and can be switched off by a chip manufacturer can never be secure. samsung giving up knox after all the hard work they did to approve it for american spies to use knox. now american spies orgs will go back to mighty iphone. no-one is stupid to trust google

    • dizel123

      Bye! Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

      • Lumia Nexus

        Sorry it only hits h8mos like u in the a8ss

      • Lumia Nexus

        hmmm really did it hit you hard if not i cant hit u harder

  • Gyah

    As someone who owned a Samsung GS4 with KNOX I just want to say: fcuk KNOX and it’s b.s. counter that trips anytime you root or modify your phone. The counter you can’t reset or avoid tripping. KNOX is one of the big reasons I will never buy another Samsung phone…

  • NexusMan

    Google announced at i/o that Samsung was handing over Knox to them and they would continue to build upon it and build it into Android.

    • John

      Google did announce their future use and involvement of knox, but this reporting is misleading.

      “”Samsung is committed to the long term evolution of mobile
      security and the ongoing development of Samsung KNOX. While Samsung is
      contributing a part of KNOX technology for the benefit of the entire
      Android community and enterprise customers, Samsung KNOX remains the
      most secure Android platform from the hardware to the application level.
      Samsung will continue to work with our partners to enable KNOX for all
      of our valued customers. Our list of enterprise and government clients
      continues to grow rapidly, and is a testament to our commitment to
      providing highly-desirable, secure mobile devices across all
      industries.””

  • Daistaar

    I don’t get all the hate for Knox. You’re not obligated to use or turn it on and it really only serves to secure enterprise data. Knox isn’t going away any time soon. It has been one of the best things for Android in the enterprise space. No one else has taken such a secure approach to enterprise data and computing and I think it’s great that Google and a number of MDM solutions are now able to gain access to SE Linux and CIMA on KNOX. This means your device can be secured from a hardware position and not just software. Also, you don’t even see the container created by KNOX as it’s baked into the UX, meaning it’s seamless.

    • Deez

      People hate KNOX because most don’t have a need for it and with the way it’s set up if root or modify your phone at all it trips the KNOX counter and there is no known way to reset that counter (or avoid tripping it). Making it easy for Samsung or the cell phone companies to tell you to GFY when you want to get a phone replaced or fixed after you rooted it.

    • Richard Jackson

      Most of the Knox hate is on the rooting and roming side of the coin. For awhile Knox keep some phones from being able to be flash and not trip the flash counter or stopping people from flashing no Knox roms on phones.

  • David Gray

    To all Samsung haters, this is just one example of how Samsung has greatly influenced and improved android over the years, ijs……

    • senor_heisenberg

      This does nothing to show how Samsung has influenced and improved Android, because they haven’t.

      • http://www.ytmnd.com MH

        Actually, they have. A lot of old TW features made it into AOSP.

    • Dan DeMarco

      They still have the laggiest, clumbsiest, inefficient interface out there, not to mention it looks like an elementary school student designed the icons with a box of 64 Crayola crayons. How long have you had your Touch Wiz device now David? Have you noticed how much slower it is gotten since day one? My Moto X still runs like day 1, a year later. You’ll see eventually once you’ve had it long enough.

      • Joe

        There is a difference between efficiency in coding and the functionality of it. Yes, Samsung sucks at software implementation not because of features, but they just can’t seem to make it all coherently work together. That does not mean they haven’t advanced Android itself. Like MH said, a lot of TouchWiz codes made it into other sub branches of Android. Yes, and that includes “stock” Android OS updates. Also, your Moto X.

  • thajack

    Good. I don’t like KNOX. Let Samsung worry about the hardware. Let Google worry about the software.

    • Emmanuel

      Unfortunately, the Forbes article might be a little misinformed…. read the complete press release if you want to….. if you’re not a fan of knox… don’t read it… it will just piss you off…lol

      here’s the full press release.
      https://www.samsungmobilepress.com/2014/06/26/Samsung-and-Google-to-Bring-Enterprise-Enhancements-to-Android-1

      • Bionicman

        maybe they will be incorporating some of the ideas of KNOX into Android. i had read about this during Google I/O as well. I guess we’ll have see what happens in the future.

      • John

        Yeah, the forbes article is a total distortion, but that didn’t stop a dozen sites from parroting it.

        “Samsung is committed to the long term evolution of mobile
        security and the ongoing development of Samsung KNOX. While Samsung is
        contributing a part of KNOX technology for the benefit of the entire
        Android community and enterprise customers, Samsung KNOX remains the
        most secure Android platform from the hardware to the application level.
        Samsung will continue to work with our partners to enable KNOX for all
        of our valued customers. Our list of enterprise and government clients
        continues to grow rapidly, and is a testament to our commitment to
        providing highly-desirable, secure mobile devices across all
        industries.”

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  • Below$100AShareIsPathetic!}:-(

    Samsung keeps sucking on Google’s hind teat. Samsung was going to use Tizen OS to break away from Google and that’s been delayed indefinitely. Now KNOX is going to be scrapped and Samsung is turning security over to Google. Samsung definitely needs to get out from under Google’s skirt. Samsung should be a leader not a follower.

    • AbbyZFresh

      Since when was Samsung a leader?

      They first stole the TV business spotlight from Japan, and then stole much of the monopoly smartphone business from Apple. What have they innovated in their history. They started as an average trading company for petes sake.

      • PoisonApple31

        The Note Series stands out from Samsung. Now do tell me, where did they steal that from?

        • AbbyZFresh

          Look at the HTC Evo 4G and tell me Samsung didn’t steal the bigger screen design from them for the Note series.

          • flosserelli

            The Note was derived from the Evo 4G? That is a bit of a stretch. Now if you said the SGS2 was derived from the Evo 4G, I would probably agree. But the Note? I don’t think so.

          • TheFirstUniverseKing

            Yeah, I love the HTC Evo 4G’s pressure sensitive stylus.

          • PoisonApple31

            I think you can do better than that. I’ll give you another shot. Come on, your credibility is on the line here!

  • MacNificent

    (Wishfully thinking)
    Touchwiz next?

    • John

      I can get behind that! Few people like touchwiz.

      • Dan DeMarco

        Yet millions of people still buy Galaxy devices. I’ll never understand why, other than good marketing.

        • John

          It’s true that samsung massive marketing campaign has a lot to do with the popularity of the phones, just as all the buzz created by apple lemmings has a lot to do with apple sales.

          On the other hand, sometimes samsungs products really are the best for a particular need. A while back a friend of mine shopped very carefully and thoroughly for a phone, and at the time the galaxy S4 was the only phone that had the specs and features that she wanted. Since she hates touchwiz, she bought it directly from the google play store.

  • chris125

    Next maybe google can take over software on every Samsung device and finally rid it of touchwiz

    • AbbyZFresh

      I don’t think the customers would be too happy about that. People would say, “Why does my Galaxy screen look so different?” “What kind of interface is this?” “Am I getting Windows 8ed on with this?”. Too many changes or removals will possibly be fatal.

      There are only two relevant phones in the average non-tech person’s mind: Galaxy or iPhone.

      • ddpacino

        Windows 8ed?! Stock Android and Touchwiz are not THAT big of a difference in appearance compared to giving Win8 WP tiles and UI paradigms. Not to mention that they can use the same Android apps they’ve been using compared to the separation of and large disparity in UIs between typical Windows and the newer Win8 apps

        • Sean Walton

          This Abby guy is a complete troll. He does this on other sites and will always be negative. You are wasting your time responding to this troll.

          • ddpacino

            I’m barely down in the comments on here, so I never knew. Thanks for the tip!

          • Sean Walton

            No worries dude. He goes to two other sites that I follow and he gets torn up there as well. He is always negative so not even sure why he comes here other than to troll.

            Cheers!

          • Colin Huber

            He does raise a good point. Readers here are mostly tech lovers. The average person who just wants a smartphone? It’s Galaxy or iPhone. Thank marketing and mass production for that.

      • chris125

        It is not near the difference that you make it to be between stock and touchwiz. Not to mention they could make their touchwiz launcher available via play store.

        • http://www.ytmnd.com MH

          Especially on the latest iterations. Just a few small quirks.

    • ddpacino

      We can only hope.

    • john

      Except Samsung said PHUCKYOU and went all Tizen on us.

      • chris125

        Yeah um no

  • AbbyZFresh

    Oh god no. Google will design it specifically to track you no matter where you are. Even if you’re dead.

    • JLIT99

      *puts tin foil hat on*

    • Sean Walton

      It’s hilarious how dumb you are. You spew the same garbage on so many sites. YOU ARE A TROLL and a bad one at that. Just go away little fella.

      • AbbyZFresh

        Everyday’s not opposite day man. ;)

    • John

      All Apple mobile devices track you, and there is nothing you can do about it.

      With some android devices, you can remove the spyware.

  • http://caftp.3owl.com/ Andre Santos

    SELinux and KNOX?
    That’s sure going to improve security no doubt.

  • opus

    Is Google buying it or is Samsung giving it away for free?

    • cadtek91

      Remember that partnership they completed a while back? It’s part of that.

    • https://www.heartbleedbug.com/ Intellectua1

      Its from the cross licensing/patent deal

  • Disqus_n00b

    Sooo…we can root now?

  • TopXKiller

    GG Open Source

  • Mudokon83

    So what does this mean for future phones with android and Rooting/Unlocking Bootloader?

    • Miguel

      Nothing, this is more for the corporate level and companies that want to use Android to give their employees for email and encrypted data.

  • Justin

    I thought Google was going to use Knox and implement it into Android?

    • ddpacino

      They are. You may have misunderstood. Instead of KNOX being a Samsung-only thing, Google will take that and bake it into the base OS so that those security features are available to ALL Android devices, and not specifically Samsung’s.

    • John

      Yes.

      “Samsung is committed to the long term evolution of mobile
      security and the ongoing development of Samsung KNOX. While Samsung is
      contributing a part of KNOX technology for the benefit of the entire
      Android community and enterprise customers, Samsung KNOX remains the
      most secure Android platform from the hardware to the application level.
      Samsung will continue to work with our partners to enable KNOX for all
      of our valued customers. Our list of enterprise and government clients
      continues to grow rapidly, and is a testament to our commitment to
      providing highly-desirable, secure mobile devices across all
      industries.”

  • Emmanuel

    “Google has apparently been working on a KNOX-like system, but one that will be baked into Android itself” ….did Forbes even watch the keynote? The security feature that will be baked into android is KNOX but probably gonna be renamed and modified a bit…

    • JustSaying

      Google is just staying thanks to Samsung so they can save face since
      KNOX is a failure. Lot of people do not like how KNOX is done. Google
      will implement their own security standard.

      • JLIT99

        Pichai actually said that Samsung had donated code to the project. So it’s not just a random message.

      • JustSaying

        By the way, this is very good news, KNOX being dropped.

        • sj0808

          It’s same thing…… knox is not being dropped. Just the name

      • AbbyZFresh

        And how do you know Google’s standards will be any better for enterprise than Samsung’s?

        • velocipedes

          Google actually has a base of enterprise customers already through its various other software products. Samsung…does not.

      • V.

        Based on my read on Knox I suspect the software virtual enviorment side may be reused to a degree. The part of KNOX that kills it for a lot of people is the hardware implementation side with the damn chip. I had blown my eFuse inside of a week of getting my phone. The virtual secure shell environment that KNOX is comprised of, was actually quite a neat idea. If you take the time to drill down into what KNOX is.

    • Zac S

      one thing I’ve noticed about tech articles written on non-tech sites is that they are written by non-tech writers who don’t really know anything about anything haha

      I got my m8 a couple months back and was looking into comparative articles and read one in the times I believe and they mentioned the stats of the newest galaxy phone, the m8 and the iphone, said that the android ones were better but then said the iphone is the best. I don’t know why I read it haha

      • AbbyZFresh

        Especially the articles written here and the Verge.

        • Average DL Writer

          “The iPhone is the best phone ever, but if the greatest company ever (Apple) didn’t exist, I’d probably own a MotoX… OK I said it, give us teh monie Woodside.” – He who shall not be named.

    • randompsychology

      This.

  • Guest

    I believe they are just renaming it since Google is gonna use it as a security standard..

    • JustSaying

      No they will not. Google is just staying thanks to Samsung so they can save face since KNOX is a failure. Lot of people do not like how KNOX is done. Google will implement their own security standard.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    One step at a time…