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Motorola’s Punit Soni: Unlockable Bootloader on T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular Moto X, Developer Edition Coming to Verizon

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Bootloaders and the Moto X, what is really going on here? Yesterday, we were told that the bootloader on the phone is “not unlocked,” but with so many variants, did that statement mean from all of them? Apparently not. According to Punit Soni, Motorola’s VP Product Management, the bootloader status all hinges on the carrier, assuming it’s not a developer edition. Let me explain. 

The Moto X versions headed to Sprint, T-Mobile, and US Cellular will all have unlockable bootloaders. The AT&T and Verizon version will not be unlockable. However, there will be a Verizon Developer Edition and a general North American Developer Edition (which would assume will work on AT&T) in the future. We don’t have dates, but Punit has confirmed this info.

Here is Punit’s note over at Google+:

Perhaps this got missed in the launch hullabaloo …

Moto X on the Sprint, US Cellular, Rogers and T-Mobile networks will have an unlockable bootloader, and in addition, we will be offering a Verizon Wireless Developer Edition and a general North American Developer Edition.

Hope that clarifies some of the questions out there.

Feeling a bit better? The price certainly won’t change, but at least you know that you’ll have a version available to you that will work on your carrier of choice with an unlockable bootloader. +1.

Via:  +Punit Soni

Cheers hr!

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  • DrDiff

    Google/Motorola and the carriers need to figure it out. We buy the phones and use them on a carrier. They are OUR phones not the Carrier’s We want total control over out phone. not the carrier telling us what to do with our phone!

    I bet that is why Motorola and Verizon rushed out the new phones after the Droid Razr HD had its boot loader cracked!

    • j973

      F these carriers and manufactures . I’m tired of vzw and att . I only hope in the future T-Mobiles network gets better . After this year I’m done with vzw . Waiting for the next Nexus device . And my HD Maxx is ready to go on gsm until I make my next purchase.

  • sr_erick

    Since these are all the same phones across carriers from a hardware view (at least that’s what I’ve heard) would it be possible to take one from T-Mobile/AT&T and get it to operate on VZW. I assume you would have to load their specific firmware, but does anyone know if there is something at a hardware level that would prevent that?

  • yummy

    Sense being made ago long stopped.

  • VZMOTO

    I wonder if there is going to be a “developer” edition of the Droid Maxx?

    • VZMOTO

      It would be great to port over the Moto X 4.3 to the Droid Maxx once it is released and receive a quick update cycle and loose some of the VZ bloat

  • valapsp

    so the developer edition will be tied to the carriers as well., right?

  • Kit Tihonovich

    Here’s the thing. When you ask at an event “is the bootloader unlocked?” They can and will say “no.” Every. Time. Ask if it’s encrypted. Or unlockable.
    Stock bootloaders are always locked. He’s not clarifying. He’s releasing NEW and separate information here.

    For the love of god. You run a tech website but know nothing about tech. It’s sad.

  • Nate595

    Gotta love T-mobile, now if only they could get the Moto maker in the near future.

  • andrew401

    Another epic fail by Verizon…. Once AT&T gets a real LTE network I’m switching. Verizon’s filled with Nazis

    • Tim242

      At&t already has a real LTE network. If not for my unlimited on Verizon, I’d switch.

  • atcchris

    At the price point they chose to go with, and all the carrier based shenanigans, who even gives a crap about this or any other new Motorola phone now?

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    I didn’t want the 16gb version anyway. High hopes for the dev ed having 32gb+ of memory and unique colors, possibly a metal back or something qi compatible.

  • cougar618

    If you’re with vzw, and wanted to upgrade your gnex and keep the unlimited data, then you were already looking to buy a phone at full price, so might as well wait for the developer edition. VZW being a bitch, but well whatever.

  • Stewie

    See? I call bull$hit. You cannot point your finger at the carriers when at the same time youoffer a developer edition in which we can outright pay for an unlocked boot loader ON that same network.

  • Stewie

    See? I call bull$hit. You cannot point your finger at the carriers when at the same time youoffer a developer edition in which we can outright pay for an unlocked boot loader ON that same network.

  • Jerry Allen Rose

    Im happy to grab a Mid Century Modern rosewood and black Moto X Dev edition any day, plus this is a job maker for America – you fan boys can have your robot toy Droid junk -

  • kyle

    im a little confused here, the developer editions mean that it will run pure stock vanilla android, like the nexus 4 and the s4 and htc one google play editions… thats all fine and dandy but if the moto x were to have a stock android build on it, wouldnt you lose all these new features like the partial screen notifications and the quick launch camera? wouldnt these features be built into the blur ui and not the os itself?

    • Qwerty

      I’m fairly certain, although I could be wrong, that developer edition devices come with unlocked/unlockable bootloaders, but not stock Android. Now, the Google Play Edition devices should come with both vanilla Android and unlocked bootloaders. So, assuming I’m right, the developer edition of the Moto X will still come with the features found on a standard, locked device but simply be unlocked.

      • kyle

        ah i see, thanks

  • joejoe5709

    Developer Edition Moto X for Verizon. S**t!! There goes our chances for the next Nexus. I guarantee it. We might as well start weighing my options for a non-Nexus phone.

    • William_Morris

      As if there was really any chance for the next Nexus at VZW… hello, do you remember the debacle with the GNex?

      • joejoe5709

        That was two years ago. Things change. It could go either way. But I seriously think this new Moto X just killed whatever chances we had.

  • Jesse Blacklock

    ill believe it once i see it

  • NorCalGuy

    Getting one

  • Tim Swann

    so can I buy the sprint variant and use it on Verizon’s network?

    • Tim242

      Nope.

  • BrianLipp

    aka, expect the $600 off contract price on VZW that we all knew was coming anyway!

  • chris420o

    but in all reailty who buys dev phones…nobody….so even though their unlockable…there is almost no dev support for them…its a waste of money your better off getting the normal one and praying it gets cracked

    • William_Morris

      If I were able to just have root access so I could remove the VZW garbage and tether as I damn well please, it’d be worth my purchase as they seem to have designed everything else to be optimized.

  • Mike Hilal

    This is getting old verizon. Give us the option if we want it.

    1) We dont want your tech support
    2) We dont want your user manuals
    3) We dont want your bloatware

    We want you to provide fast 4G service with great coverage. Other than that, butt out. Use the freed up $$ to improve your profitability vs screwing us on capped plans and services that literally noone uses.

    • mgamerz

      My girlfriend worked at a verizon call center. Y’all need to calm the fu** down.

      • Mike Hilal

        U mad?

        • mgamerz

          As in people who call in need to chill.

          • Mike Hilal

            The only time the vast majority of us (as in those of us tech savvy enough to own one of these devices) is to make billing/plan changes.

          • mgamerz

            I know. It was more towards non-tech people. And sometimes the angry tech person.

      • Mike Hilal

        Your alleged girlfriend can do other things for verizon besides tell me to do a factory data reset after I pull my battery.

      • jose

        Andddd??? We supposed to care she worked there?

  • mgamerz

    What’s a ‘North American Developer Edition’? Is that like a cross-carrier version, e.g. a Google Play Edition that isn’t tied to a single carrier?

  • chris420o

    god i really cant stand verizon

  • Butters619

    Moto needs to do like Samsung and “leak” a decrypted bootloader

  • pookietookie

    Isn’t there also a chance someone on XDA could just crack the bootloader on the standard edition so we all don’t have to pony up all that extra cash?

    • Tim242

      Not likely. Moto’s bootloaders are encrypted. The only person that cracked them, gave up and said no more

  • Nayners

    My question is, how is this thing going to run on a custom ROM, without Moto’s optimizations?

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      All the optimizations are in the kernel soooooo….pretty long, I’d say.

      • Nayners

        I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate. What if you throw a 4.3 AOSP rom on there, with Google’s kernel? I’m not convinced it would run much better, than say the Gnex. So, what’s the point?

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          Kernels are completely device-specific, as they contain all the drivers/wrappers/binaries that allow the OS to talk to the components.

          The idea behind their software strategy was to make it as close to AOSP as possible so that it wouldn’t be difficult to upgrade later on. So, merging the new AOSP branch, fixing the build errors, and fixing the device errors shouldn’t be any more difficult than any other device, and may be significantly easier.

          As for performance, it should still be on-par with the One and S4. Overclocking and CPU tweaks may be an issue since they have done a good amount of tweaking to the firmware already, but that would be minor performance gains at best.

          Remember, Motorola has already tweaked the hell out of this system, so AOSP won’t be as big of a performance jump compared to shedding Sense/Touchwiz. So, it may just be better to port the desired features to the stock ROM, rather than build from source.

  • https://twitter.com/paladaxar Paladaxar

    I’m curious if the “Dual LTE” antennas will work on T-Mo or not…I think you said in your last post that they will “help 700MHz LTE” but I think T-Mo uses a different band.

    Also, if wi-fi calling on T-Mo works on this phone, I think I might be sold!

    Those are two important questions that will help me decide whether to jump ship to T-Mo or not :)

    • johnediii

      Actually, the decision for me was when I priced T-mo against my Verizon plan. Similar coverage on 4 phone family plan would save me $150/month on T-mo. I’ll be switching next month when my VZW contract expires (and eating the ETF on 2 of the lines because they will pay for themselves in short order). I can put up with a lot of no coverage outside major metro areas for $150/month.

  • Xious

    Hmm, maybe I’ll have to use my GNex upgrade for the Moto X, sell it, and buy the developer edition. I wonder when the DE will actually be available.

  • yaniv

    Is it just me or Droid-Life really want us to have this phone?

    • Dominick White

      No thank you, i will keep my Dna for a little longer

      • yaniv

        I’m not getting it, i just get the feeling that every article is trying to convince me to get it.

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          I think they’re trying really hard to get people to stop trashing it outright, because all things considered, it really could be an amazing device.

          • Tyler Durden

            The whole line up is the same with different size batteries.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Different screen sizes and different body designs as well. That said, that’s actually pretty genius, as it means they have a device for just about every person who walks into a Verizon store.

          • LiterofCola

            It looks like a good device, the hype killed it’s initial momentum though.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            I think it harmed the first 24 hours, but as the reports filter in and people realize that Motorola really doesn’t get any special treatment (including updates, subsidies, etc.), the boat is slowly turning, and people are starting to see the device for what it is, not what they wanted it to be.

            Some people will hold the rumors as gospel though, and blast this device and Motorola for the next few years, but since they’re likely the same people who keep bringing up the “Moto X Slim HD Maxx LTE ++” crap, I realize they will hate Motorola even if the device pooped rainbows and printed money, so I’ll just ignore them as always.

          • LiterofCola

            What? I have never seen these said people!

          • New_Guy

            Because the people that are complaining about the phone have never used it. They’ve simply had their expectations let down since it doesn’t house an 8-core processor or a 4k screen. Or because it’s priced like nearly every flagship smartphone on the planet (save the Nexus 4, but hey).

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            It is a sad show of the Android community at large that such a vociferous group would spout such terrible things about a device that none of them have ever held, accusing those who have used it of selling out because they actually seem to like it, and slamming a manufacturer who is actually trying something different to push the entire experience to a new level (whether they succeed or not, they’re trying damn hard), rather than stepping back, taking a deep breath and realizing that maybe, just maybe, Motorola might know what they’re doing here.

            /endrant

          • New_Guy

            !DOCTYPE rant
            rant
            resume rant

            And could it be that Google, who has become the second largest company in the world, a technological giant, and a data harboring juggernaut, along with Motorola, the company that invented the cellular phone, has been in the game forever, has some the most stable hardware design, and put Android on the map 4 years ago, could come together and create something formidable?

            Of course not, because we, who judge without circumspection, say it sucks because it doesn’t fit within our list of items that belong in a masochistic technological fantasy, the likes of which make it impossible for any manufacturer to satisfy without sacrifices to some code, some hardware, some performance, somewhere somehow. This XPhone bashing is becoming deplorable; a stain on those that fain themselves Android enthusiast when in actuality they are technological heroin addicts panting for their next fix.

            resume rant/
            rant/

            !– okay, I think I got it all out —

          • JDub

            Please stop it…

          • New_Guy

            Nah…

          • JDub

            You have no clue why a lot of us are severely disappointed in the Moto X. I for one thought Motorola was finally going to offer us a phone that we could buy off contract, for a nexus like price, that would allow us to keep unlimited data on the best network. I think most of us were willing to look past the whole 720p and dual core thing, especially after seeing the benchmarks on it. Hell, we knew the specs going into the announcement and we were still excited about the thing. There are better phones on the horizon that will be offered at the same price with a better overall package. If the only real thing Motorola has, to try take the average phone user away from their current phone of choice, is the ability to customize the skins on the phone then they should have released that option to all carriers at the same time. Verizon isn’t going to try and push this phone when they have their precious Droid line rolling out. This feels like the Bionic all over. Why would we want the Bionic when we know the Galaxy Nexus isn’t too far off.

          • New_Guy

            I actually have a lot of clues as to what I’m talking about and they’re riddled throughout your reply. You assumed the price-point of the phone and were (sadly) mistaken. You assume that a better phone is coming out later in the year, but better is a relative term. I’d say this phone is optimized better and is more efficient than any current phone on the market. You assume that the Nexus 5 will be priced as aggressively as before but hey, you thought the X would be also. You assume that Verizon will push this phone into a corner, when money is all VZW truly cares about and if this makes dollars then to VZW it makes since. You neglect the fact that while body customizations are an AT&T exclusive for now, it wont stay that way for long, but I’m AT&T made it worth their while.

            You assume this that is the Bionic all over again when the Bionic’s release date was pushed back several times, was already outdated and obsolete when it was finally hit the shelves, completely underwhelming to anyone who took two looks at that thing, and was swiftly replaced on the shelf by the Razr. There’s nothing indicating that the X has any of that going against it. In fact, quite the opposite. They released the phone on time, did everything they said they would, and agreed to market the hell out of this thing.

            In a world where HTC is still struggling to make headway, and Samsung has a spaghetti-at-the-wall type of philosophy, this phone is truly refreshing. in fact, I’d say Google is trying to refresh (take the reins of) Android as a whole; which is something everyone has been saying they need to do, because let’s face it, OEMs have taken Android to the point of no control and Samsung was about to push it over the edge (no offense).

            No, my friend, I really do get the point. All too well. My only cry is to give this phone a try before judging it. Handle it, give it a spin or two, and let it breathe before assigning faults that may not even matter or exist. That’s all I’m suggesting.

          • JDub

            I would say that there are probably a lot of GNex owners, me being one of them, that were watching the X phone very closely. By the time we can give this phone a chance it’s going to be December and I can say its safe to assume there is going to be something “better” out at the time. We already know there is a GNote 3 on the way and the LG G2 is looking to stir the pot as well. The Bionic had its month or so by itself as Motorola’s top phone on Verizon. The reason it was a flop wasn’t because the RAZR took its place so quickly, but because we knew the GNex was around the corner and was going to be available on Verizon by the time it came out.

            I wouldn’t say we assumed the price was going to be low, but we sure as hell were hoping it was. It was the only unknown factor we had going into the announcement and the deciding factor for a lot of us. If the Moto X is still comparable by the end of the year, then I may consider getting it used off of Ebay, Craigslist, etc.

          • New_Guy

            I understand. The price is not for you as it might not be for many. But, if T-Mobile has anything to say about it, we’ll probably see a $0 upfront cost attached to the X in about a month so, as a TMo subscriber, I’m not worried. Though I would still argue that with the release of the GNex, Razr, and Razr MAXX only two months later, the massive delays simply killed the Bionic. It was reaching the end of its life-cycle by the time it hit the shelves and I don’t think many people would argue with that.

            On the other hand, the Note i3 s likely going to be too big for most people (although I own the Note 2 and love it), and there are a ton of people that look at LG as a direct Samsung copy and aren’t fans of that. Other than that, there are not likely to be any surprises in the industry aside from the Nexus 5 (which is still a mystery). We know that the X already outperforms the Nexus 4, has a better build than the S4, is easier to handle than the Note 2, and I’d personally take this over the One which has been known to have connectivity and battery performance issues and won’t get updates nearly as fast as this phone will. For now, if you were in the market for a phone today, this is likely the one for a ton of people out there. Maybe not for you, but I’m sure a lot of people will love to get their hands on this phone.

        • Dominick White

          I know what you meant, just adding my two cents. . Saying this not a upgrade to my Dna, more of a downgrade

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      As Dennis Woodside noted, this device is a massive departure from the Android norm, and a reinvention of the Motorola brand.

      Considering the origins of this blog, it makes sense that they’ll cover every aspect of it. That said, they were nearly as bad during the GS4 launch, so it’ll die down after a week or so.

      • JDub

        Yep, right after Motorola stops paying them for advertising.

        • New_Guy

          Please stop it…

      • Adam Truelove

        Why is it a massive departure from the Android norm? It’s a mid range, non stock, locked down device available on many networks. Don’t we have many of those already?

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          It is a massive departure because they actively decided not to make it the best device on paper, and instead decided to implement things their competitors couldn’t even begin to match so that it is the best device for people to use.

          They have decided that Android doesn’t need bigger to be better. Tell that to anyone at HTC, Samsung, and LG, and all they’d do is laugh. Motorola has set out to prove it. Their success or failure will take time to decide, but based on initial reports, they might be on to something.

          • n900mixalot

            That’s called a Nexus and all three have been there done that, and done it well. Now we also have Google Editions with IR blasters and specialized cameras. This device is just another Nexus at best, but people like you will pay more for it because you refuse to realize that.

    • Scott Kart

      Ummm…maybe they’re trying to convince everyone to have an open mind.

    • Xious

      It’s because the Moto X is the biggest news right now. When the GNex came out, did you not see days worth of news about that phone? It’s just about whats hot at the moment. You should see the other sites when an iPhone comes out. My GOD!

      • Dominick White

        All this reminds me of is the hype about the bionic and then the serious let down.. Then watching the moto fan’s defending it tooth and nails

        • Xious

          I still have friends suffering from that tragedy. I don’t think the Moto X is of that magnitude though.

          • Dominick White

            Lets hope not, i am just wondering how well this will sell on Verizon considering the droid mini. Is 100 dollars cheaper

        • kixofmyg0t

          I still like my Targa :(

          The screen *IS* garbage though.

      • yaniv

        I’m not talking about news coverage. This almost feels like they have to live up to the hype…But i could be wrong (sorry for my English in advance)

    • New_Guy

      They’ve had their hands on it. Truthfully, the reviews I’ve read from people who have actually handled it are all positive and tech sheet aside, people are really liking this phone. Based on what I’ve read, I’ve been inclined to pass. But writer’s reaction to the phone make me want to give it a shot.

    • Philip A. Kaiser

      I have been in this place since the D1 and the Eris were the hottest things to come out. This website was originally built for those devices and stayed focused on just droids for the first year or two. The sister site, Android-life.com, was the site that featured all of the Android stuff that was not “droid.” It was eventually put to sleep and they combined the two a few years back after Android took off like wild fires. It was too hard for these guys to keep updating the two sites and it was confusing as a fan to follow. In essence, there is a secret undelying love for Moto in this place. All of us, “OG Fans,” have it in us. (Albeit, most of us have Gnexes now.. lol!)

  • Cody Revels

    Odds are with this device being on multiple carriers, it will be unlocked on Verizon just like the S3 was unlocked. By using the bootloader from a different variant of the phone.
    Not to mention that last year the razr hd bootloader was unlocked which goes to show that Motorola bootloaders are not so impossible as people think to unlock. Plus the razr hd wasnt even all that popular.

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      Hell, use the bootloader from the dev edition :-)

      That said, the GS4 bootloader still hasn’t been cracked since its last update :-(

      • Cody Revels

        I’m confident in the developer community to come through and help us out. ON that not I’ll be buying on Verizon probably through the device payment plan. :D

        • KleenDroid

          Get this device on its merits alone. Not that you think it will be unlocked. Because it may never be unlocked. The guys above are talking of dreams, not reality.

    • KleenDroid

      Not how it works.

    • Big_EZ

      The Motorola phones with TI chips are as impossible to unlock as people think. The RAZR HD is a different story since it was a Qualcomm chip instead of TI. Motorola phones should be fairly easy to unlock from now on.

  • Jason

    I am pretty sure it was missed because it wasn’t said….are they doing a microsoft xbox move?

  • jose

    Vzw developer edition comes in 32gb? Moto Maker too?

    • Trevor

      That would be nice.

    • charles rogers

      I really hope so. Then again i guess my Gnex and i Can just stay together forever.

  • Joshua Bailey

    Another reason I am leaving Verizon. The T-Mobile Moto X from the MotoMaker is where my wife and I will be going. Finally breaking free of these contracts.

    • emoney

      are you concerned with the lack of service. I am wondering if I should leave VZ for TMo as well, but am nervous about constantly searching for a signal.

      • Mike

        The only person I knew who had T-Mobile in the Pittsburgh area almost never had signal, even when we would go into Pittsburgh. Updates straight from Google mean absolutely nothing to me if I can’t use my phone.

      • Joshua Bailey

        I think it will be a crap shoot for most of us, but it can only get better as they open up new markets.

    • http://bjunity.org/ Bill B

      I have the same concerns. Here in Upstate SC a friend of mine who’s proselytizing us to dump VZW for T-Mo says he never has a problem, anywhere. I checked the website and if you get anywhere outside of Greenville-Spartanburg I-85 corridor (which we do, often) their coverage map shows a definitive lack of even 3G service.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        My wife’s mom live in Anderson, when we visit their AT&T isn’t great, so I have no hope for T-Mobile in the area.

        • samari711

          Even Verizon is terrible in Anderson, it’s a cell phone black hole.

      • Joshua Bailey

        Here in Atlanta they have a pretty strong coverage map for 4G.

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          I noticed that, but how is it along I-75 going south? I visit my parents a good bit in the mid state, and coverage is spotty at best between McDonough and Macon on their map.

          • Joshua Bailey

            Couldn’t tell you. As far as I know T-Mobile coverage is good in Georgia.

  • TheWenger

    Time for Nexus 5 rumors. BEGIN!

    • T4rd

      No, Note 3 is the next hyperbeast!

      • cancerous_it

        the note 3 will have an unlockable bootloader.

        • Paul Hansen

          Not on VZW/ATT. It’ll be just like the GS4 all over again.

          • the_real_patrick_bateman

            That’s okay. Samsung isn’t very good at locking bootloaders.

          • Paul Hansen

            Except that the bootloader on the GS4 hasn’t been unlocked yet for the devices that shipped locked… It’s been circumvented (not unlocked) on the original shipping build via loki and the new bootloader on the ME7 builds has been patched to not allow this method any longer. Even Dan (who released loki) stated that breaking this bootloader will likely be impossible (post-loki) without the leak of an unlocked bootloader directly from Samsung. Their lock is solid. If something internal leaks to the public that’s a completely different story.

    • Butters619

      I hope the keep it the Nexus 4. I’m fine with 4.7″ displays. If they do go 5″ hopefully the really cut out bezel like the Moto X

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        If its made by LG again, then just look at the G2, and expect a more rounded corners and buttons on the sides.

    • bboyairwreck

      Please…. Lets no forget about the LG G2 ;]

      • TheWenger

        I’m hoping that those are the Nexus 5 rumors.

  • jbdan

    So happy I left the VZW early this year. It continues to put smiles on my face each day :D

    • Mike

      Until you look at the signal on your phone…. Unless you switched to AT&T that is in which you are still in the same boat.

      • jbdan

        Tmo actually has equal service and at times better than vzw in my location. One’s location is the key….I should have stated that

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          Also you need to take the places you regularly visit into account.

          But, its great if you have coverage.

        • MannyS

          I can confirm this. In my area, there are places where my Nexus 4 on T-Mo picks up a signal where my old VZW Nexus did not. The speed difference is there, but not as bad as you would assume. YMMV based on location, but you should look at the coverage map to see how you would fare. I worried leaving VZW would mean constant dropped calls, bad call quality, but I really haven’t noticed anything that would make me want to go back to paying an extra $60 a month over what I’m paying now.

          • Philip A. Kaiser

            The Gnex has some of the worst radios ever put in a phone which makes your comparison null. Your comparison is like saying that you prefer Chevy because your new Chevy Pickup is much faster in the the mud compared to your old Honda Civic. Well, duh.

      • Matthew DiGiacomo

        I have T-Mobile and their LTE is 5x the speed and coverage of Verizon’s in my area. So yeah, when I look at the signal on my phone it puts a smile on my face.

        • Guest

          Travel much?

        • nop

          Congrats on being in the 2 percentile of Americans that live in a area where T-Mobile has better coverage then Verizon.

      • jdlogan151

        I switched to T-Mobile a year ago and haven’t looked back! I always have good coverage and I have never regretted it all. The bonus is that my bill is $65/mo. for unlimited everything. :)

        • Mike

          Lol, knew that was going to happen. I’m glad for you guys but I will take $35 a month for unlimited 4G data nationwide and a phone that isn’t Nexuslike than switch just to have such a device.

          • jdlogan151

            I switched because big red was raping me with the $110/mo. for 900 minutes and unlimited texts and data (with a 15% discount because of my employer) and my girl would always have coverage on Tmo when I couldn’t send a text on VZW. I have the GS3 and I’ll stick with it until the next big thing comes out.

          • jdlogan151

            P.S. it’s nationwide coverage as well. I’m not on a pre-paid or anything. I was in Puerto Rico in February and was sharing pictures on Facebook from a sailboat in the ocean. That’s good coverage IMO.

  • Under the bridge downtown

    Wireless charging would have been so nice on this phone. I need the Maxx / Moto X mutant blend.

    • LiterofCola

      Yeah, if this had the Maxx’s battery I would have waited for it

    • New_Guy

      Just drooled a little…

  • BigWormBigPerm

    So you’re saying there’s a chance….

    • LiterofCola

      I lol’d

      • Jonathan Rogers

        So did, I. I still am chuckling a bit.

    • New_Guy

      I jumped ship yesterday, but now I have one foot on board and with one foot still hanging over. Might sound silly, but my desire for this phone hinges upon the ability to unlock that God-forsaken bootloader. Bottom line is I only buy this device to mod the hell out of it. Otherwise I’d just keep my Note 2.

    • TheRobotCow

      Lmfao!!! I’m still laughing at this

    • srrichard

      I just got paid
      $6784 working off my laptop this month. And if you think that’s cool, my
      divorced friend has twin toddlers and made over $9k her first month. It feels
      so good making so much money when other people have to work for so much less.
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  • T4rd

    So AT&T’s variant will be locked down too? Nice.

    Freaking carriers…

  • chris125

    Developer edition it is for me on Verizon since ill be paying full retail anyway

    • KleenDroid

      You and 20 others. Hope there will be enough devs to bother.

      • chris125

        Even if there isn’t better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it(s4 is a perfect example how the update relocked and slowed everything down in terms of unlocking) also gotta love people who down voted me because of what I’m doing with my money. Haha

  • Jeff Helget

    VZW being a little bitch again.

    • Robbie Gerling

      again? when were they not?!

      • Jeff Helget

        I guess I could have said “once again.” They’ve always been full of bitchitude.

      • DanSan

        apparently unlocked bootloaders will cause their network to fail.

        cause WW3 with russia
        trigger the zombie apocalypse
        cause the sun to explode.

        but its fine on every other carrier

        • JonathonFlores

          bc the other carriers don’t give a sh*t about the demise of the world.

        • Skittlez

          just get the developer edition….

        • CaptainDisillusion

          Unlocked bootloaders killed my father.

        • michael arazan

          So WTF is the big deal locking the bootloader, then offering a Developer edition on the same network that will be unlocked?
          It’s ok if it’s unlocked as long as we pay full price for it?

          Did you hear about the unlocked, rooted, and rommed phone that brought down ATT and Verizon’s network?!!……..Said No One EVER!!!!

    • zmancbr

      ALWAYS and FOREVER!

    • New_Guy

      Always. It’s is now established

  • Chase Chick

    Now the big questions is can I customize the VZW developer edition. If so sign me up!!

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      I see no reason for them to not allow customization for it on day one of its sales. That’s not to say that the dev edition will be available on day one of Verizon’s sales, but considering they said that “every phone purchased via the Moto Maker tool is unlocked”, and lets face it, that is their headline feature, I’m guessing the “exclusive” for AT&T won’t last more than a month, if that.

    • Tyler Durden

      Why would you spend $600 on it?

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        Because it looks like an awesome device and I want one?

        What would you rather spend it on?

        • Tyler Durden

          Something worth that amount of money.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Perceived value is unique to the individual my friend.

            “To a man dying of thirst, water be more precious than gold. To a drowning man, water be of little worth, and great trouble”

          • Tyler Durden

            Just saying . in a time of 1080p, better cameras, bigger screens, bigger batteries, micro SD, all for the same price. Hard to justify spending the same for less.

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Again, perception is everything. Rather than looking at what you aren’t getting, you focus on what you are getting. Just because you think those things make a device “better”, does not mean that they objectively are better in all cases (excepting battery size, though they seem to have squeezed in the largest one they possibly could, and it will probably still last longer on a charge than its competitors, but we’ll have to wait to see if that pans out during testing).

            1080p is higher resolution than 720p, but also uses more power, both for the increased number of pixels and the increased processing power to feed it.

            A bigger screen means a larger device, which some people don’t like as it begins to affect usability, and also reduces the ppi making the screen less attractive.

            Micro SD is prone to corruption, and the slot takes up extra space, both internally and externally.

            Better camera is completely subjective, as each mobile device camera is a study in trade-offs, both in hardware and software.

          • jose

            Have we seen camera examples from this phone yet?

          • New_Guy

            It would appear that the only mention on your list that is objective is the expandable storage (which I’m a big fan of). Everything else is subjective. I honestly couldn’t give a damn about my 4-5″ screen beeing 1080p, save me the battery life with 720p and I’m perfectly fine with that. Would rather it in fact. What point is the size of the battery if the system is optimized to make the battery perform as well as one 30% larger than? Better Camera? Let’s try using it first. The One’s camera was supposed to be some sort of revolution is mobile shooting but I’m much less than impressed.

            This phone is truly all about optimization. Squeezing every ounce out of what’s inside. Dedicated processing units to handle voice and sound tasks. A second LTE radio to increase reception performance. It’s a “smart” way to build a smartphone. Something people have been accusing Samsung for faltering at and something I’m beginning to like this a lot.

          • Philip A. Kaiser

            To the drowning man, gold wouldn’t be a good thing either. Maybe that’s why he is drowning?

      • New_Guy

        Real reason why not, kind sir.

    • KleenDroid

      Doesn’t matter. There won’t be enough developer edition versions sold to make it worthwhile for developers.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        Yes and no. The software differences will be minimal between it and the regular T-Mobile/Sprint/AT&T devices, so it will likely get development by association since it will be easy to port.

        I honestly don’t expect the regular VZW one to get cracked, but it happened on the Razr HD, so its possible.

    • JonathonFlores

      I’m not buying until I CAN customize it…on tmo.

  • clay

    launch day vzw gnex checking in. i would rather jump ship for a nexus 4

    • Robbie Gerling

      In December, I’m seriously considering this or another Nexus phone and going with a prepaid MVNO option… I really want some updates directly from google as soon as they release!

    • Matthew DiGiacomo

      I already did. Switched to T-Mobile. Greatest decision I’ve made in awhile. T-Mobile’s been good to me and their service in my area is fantastic. I get LTE in places I didn’t with Verizon and it’s much faster.

  • MettaWorldTroll

    As long as they don’t come out with a ridiculous developer edition price and it’s 32gb, count me in

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      It’ll be the same price as it would be in the Verizon store off-contract, but I wouldn’t rule out a 32GB version.

      So, guessing $550/600 for the dev edition phones. And I’ll be first in line.

      • KleenDroid

        Good deal. What will you do with it? Are you a ROM developer?

        • Justtyn Hutcheson

          Nah, I am grandfathering unlimited. But, if I’m going to be forced to buy my device outright, I’m not going to give more money than I have to to Verizon.

  • Muddy B00ts

    Dang, up until now it was a non starter. Now I have some things to ponder.

  • Curtis

    Can these spokes hold any more wrenches?

  • gintoddic

    blah blah blah all phones can be unlocked in time

    • Boblank84

      thats not true at all… Many moto phones were never unlocked.

      • bboyairwreck

        Droid X, Droid Bionic, Droid 2-4, shal I continue?

    • KleenDroid

      Oh ya… You have not been around long have you?