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According to Steve “Cyanogen” Kondik, the AT&T version of the Samsung Galaxy S4 has a locked bootloader. Samsung has typically been pretty open to the developer community over the years outside of their devices on Verizon, so this comes as a bit of a surprise. However, times appear to be changing for the worse with carriers if AT&T is jumping on board to authenticate “recovery and boot images before executing them” on their flagship phones. More often than not as of late, we have seen carrier-tied devices come with an extra layer of protection to keep ROM flashers and tinkerers from actually owning their devices.

It’s anyone’s guess as to why they’d take this approach, but if you ask them they’ll likely throw out some garbage about someone with a rooted device, running custom software potentially ruining the network experience for others.

Here is what Steve had to say on Google+ this evening:

Yep, it’s confirmed. The AT&T S4 authenticates the recovery and boot images before executing them.

I can’t see what AT&T has to possibly gain from this. GSM and LTE aren’t magical, tethering is controllable on the server side, and theft-of-services is not possible from the application processor side (or even from the modem side as far as I know). The same device is available on every carrier, so it’s not an exclusivity issue either. The modem processor has always been locked, and the casual user doesn’t want to mess with that part anyway. Samsung has always been developer-friendly, so I am guessing their hand was forced.

The only outcome I see here is stacks of bricked devices being sent back for warranty replacement due to the ease of causing a permanent boot failure, especially since the device is trivially rootable.

The arms race continues. News flash: MILLIONS of people run custom firmware (and I have the STATS to prove it). This is just a stupid move that will cost you customers and money.

I would not recommend buying this device on AT&T if you want to run CyanogenMod or another custom ROM, or if you are a developer and need to work with or debug the lower layers.

The big takeaway here is his recommendation to not buy this device on AT&T. In fact, the only way to get carriers to stop this nonsense, is to speak with your wallet. If your carrier in particular is going to prevent you from using devices to the fullest, then don’t buy them and leave, otherwise this isn’t going to stop. You are starting to have other options, thanks to companies like HTC who released developer and unlocked editions of the One that work beautifully with AT&T’s LTE network, yet do not come with any of the drawbacks you would see should they be tied to the carrier.

And we have no confirmation on this, but I’d be willing to bet that the Verizon version of this phone will see the same fate. Both the Galaxy S3 and Galaxy Note 2 on Big Red were locked down from the beginning before being unlocked by developers, so keep that in mind as we approach the currently penciled in May 30 launch.

Here’s to hoping that developers have some luck with Samsung’s newest phone.

Via:  +Steve Kondik

  • http://twitter.com/frooshfreak Froosh Freak

    Does voting with your wallet work? It seems like for every one person that cares about a locked bootloader, there would be 100,000 that don’t. I really don’t think this type of thing will change, and it is up to the the people that do want the bootloader unlocked to support the people make it happen.

  • umataro42

    I really hope against hope that Verizon somehow gets another Nexus phone because there’s no way I’m getting anything else but I also don’t want to lose the coverage I get from Verizon even though I hate everything else about them.

  • Easton999GS

    I was 100% intending to leave vzw and get A&TT specifically to get this phone cause i thought the bootloader wouldn’t be locked. AT&T just lost me and 4 members because they are stupid. I might as well get the VZW version with my pending upgrade

  • ozo012

    Surprised about the number of HTC supporters in here saying their phone is “unlocked” it is still S-On as far as I know, which requires a fair amount of hoops to jump through. After a considerable number of months the Rezound finally got S-off which no longer required the use of a PC to flash boot.img images / kernels, and it took even longer for the HTC One X to get it. Let me tell you S-ON is a royal pain in the @$s to any crack-flasher. The S4 will be unlocked very quickly, and it will be fully unlocked.

    • http://twitter.com/chqueed charles rogers

      I was under the impression that HTCdev.com fully unlocked HTC phones. I have no idea if that is correct or not.

      • ozo012

        S-On would be essentially be another step of complication, so in a sense it is unlocked, but it is not fully unlocked so you cannot flash custom boot animations and a bunch of other things.

  • ed

    guess i’ll be keeping my verizon unlocked GS3 for a while

  • stacky

    I have small news to share, please don’t flame me, it’s just what I heard. I am seeing this girl whose dad is Senior product manager for Motorola Mobile devices QA dept (I am not posting the location here but I can say it’s in the Midwest (not Schaumburg, the MOTO HQ))… I told her to ask him about the X-Phone and as per him it’s definitely coming out with awesome specs… She is going to ask him the h/w specs today or tomorrow.

    • stacky

      Why the vote down? All I did was share a news

      • JMonkeYJ

        it’s best to not look at the up/down votes on your posts. don’t take them to heart.

      • cancerous_it

        some men just want to watch the world burn.

    • RoadsterHD1

      Thanks for that. Let us know what you find out. Very cool.

    • flosserelli

      Bionic…Is that you?

  • chris125

    att is getting as bad as verizon with locking down the phones.

  • ed

    there is no reason for separate developer devices to exist. They are usually the exact phone just unlocked. There should be a tool to unlock if you wish to give up your warranty. Also, there would not be bricked devices if the OEM’s or carriers made the fastboot or odin files readily available. This way we could fix the phones by ourselves. The reason a lot of people submit claims is because these files are kept secret!!!!

  • http://exposedhacks.com/spotify-premium-code-generator-2013-working/ spotify premium code generator

    And then, there was One..

    • Tim242

      You mean the ONE that also has a locked bootloader?

      • SuperDave

        The ONE that you can unlock through HTC’s website. Like my new AT&T One with a newly unlocked bootloader. That One.

  • Austin Warren

    Who cares. It will get its support soon.

  • Bionic

    X phone

    • Thomas

      Lol. Keep this going, Tim loves it ;)

    • PhoenixPath

      w00t!

      …too bad I’m impatient. I’m getting the One. (well, if it ever gets in stock at any T-Mob around here.)

      I hope they have some stock in before the X finally comes ’round. :-P

    • nvitone23

      Honestly, with the X phone taking longer than expected, I would recommend people wait for the next Motorola phone, the “Atom”. Basically the same as the X except with a REMOVABLE battery and a processor that isn’t so outdated…

  • http://twitter.com/armus75 Armus

    Being a vzw person, locked bls are expected and usually defeated – BUT I will not be getting an S4 until it is and I want to see a 32gb S4

  • http://www.facebook.com/jaiden.gerig Jaiden Gerig

    Pretty disappointing to see this becoming a trend, I understand they want a uniform user experience, but after using the galaxy nexus on verizon ive realized a locked bootloader can be the difference between waiting a month for the new version of android, and waiting a year for the new version of android

    • Ken Paul

      Amen!

  • TheWenger

    Sad thing is the huge majority of people have no idea or don’t care at all.

    • KleenDroid

      I care.

      • TheWenger

        Great. We’re the minority.

    • rodney11ride

      I care.

    • Manthas

      For better or worse, the truth of the matter is that the vast majority of people are not going to be impacted by this; they’ll lose the uber tech savvy folks, which in turn will lose them some of the people that they influence (friends, coworkers, family members, etc), but that’s about it. I am unlikely to purchase the device, myself, as I love the freedom to root / ROM my phone to my heart’s content, but my wife who isn’t a power user would be completely unaffected.

  • http://twitter.com/nedrudrelytmai Tyler Durden

    People need to realize that Google only bought Motorola for the patents. Devices aren’t their main concern.

    • http://twitter.com/Belatukadro Justtyn Hutcheson

      Main concern for Google perhaps no, but devices are a very major concern for Motorola Mobility. Since Google placed some of their best executives in charge of the company, then that’s a clear indication that they actually do want Motorola to be a profitable subsidiary, no matter their “main concern” for the original purchase.

      Also, what on earth does this have to do with Samsung locking bootloaders on an AT&T-bound device?

    • DroidFTW

      People need to get over this stupid line of thinking. Google bought Moto for the production capabilities The patents where a cherry on top. Those patents have not prevented Moto from getting sued and for 12b you could just pay the fine. Patent disputes never result in fines that would warrant 12b investment. Nobody with any sense believes it was for the patents so can we please retire this meme.

      Google rightfully realized by looking at Samsung and Apple that the money is in building devices. Apple and Samsung make almost as much in one quarter than Google makes all year. Google wants a piece of the real money. Patents is not how you get it.

  • Bob Allen

    I’m so glad I jumped on the HTC One!

    • http://www.facebook.com/pete.labozetta Pete Labozetta

      But isn’t the One’s bootloader also locked?

      • rodney11ride

        Yes it is :)

      • SuperDave

        Yes, but, ahem… http://www.htcdev.com/

        • http://www.facebook.com/pete.labozetta Pete Labozetta

          Then outside of the extra storage, what is the purpose of the Developer Edition of the phone?

  • BulletTooth_Tony

    LOL… millions of people run custom firmware? So, partially, he quit Samsung due to his delusions of grandeur. If there’s 1 million worldwide that’s a lot. If it’s 500,000 with people running ROMs across multiple devices, new and old and tablets, then maybe he gets to “millions”… but I have a hunch this number is as reliable as total android activations – and there’s definitely not “millions” of ROMers on AT&T alone.

    • Rodeojones000

      I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with his “millions” statement. I believe it to be accurate.

      I live in a very small town (population 3,500) in northwestern Wisconsin. In this tiny town I call home I personally know 25 people who run rooted and ROMed android devices. Including my that’s just a bit more than 0.7% of my town’s population running custom firmware. I’m aware that it’s a small sample, but humor me here. If we assume a similar percentage of the entire US (I’ll use 0.5% in the event my town is abnormally higher) that means over 1.5 million in the US are rooted and running custom firmware.

      Now this is just the US. Nowhere in what he posted to Google+ does he say millions for US residents only nor for AT&T customers only. If you consider worldwide users then yes, I’d say the amount of users running custom firmware does indeed number in the millions.

      • BulletTooth_Tony

        Cyanogen (Steve) only creates ROMs for North American Samsung devices. Anything with an exynos processor is handled by other teams (like Hacksung) that use his base, which he leaves open source for anyone else to deploy. So yes… this is only for the US and Canada… and there’s no way there’s “millions” of people in those 2 countries combined using it on a Samsung device, on AT&T. His numbers reflect activity, not individual users.

        And please, don’t discount your sample size. It reflects the numbers used in most nationwide surveys… response rates to those aren’t great, which is why there’s always a large margin of error factored in. You could even assume in your small town there’s people that you don’t know that ROM, and inflate to say… 2% with relative ease, just by assuming there’s another 25-30 people you don’t know. I like your sample… a lot, actually. Don’t take my disagreement with you as a discount to that.

        • Rodeojones000

          Please tell me where, when he says millions, he’s referring to only US AT&T users?

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            Please read the source. Then come back and we’ll chat. But since I doubt your capabilities of doing so, allow me to explain: he’s pissed that the *AT&T version* has a locked boot loader. He’s the one that revealed it was locked. He’s the one that stated, and I quote, “I can’t see what AT&T has to possibly gain from this. GSM and LTE aren’t magical, tethering is controlled on the server side [snip] News flash: MILLIONS of people run custom firmware. [snip] I would not recommend buying this device on AT&T…”

        • Andrew Dodd

          -1 clueless moron.

          The Exynos team (ex-teamhacksung – it’s pretty much dead at this point as we’ve all moved to Qualcomm-based devices from other manufacturers) was a PART of the Cyanogenmod team.

          As in, ALL CM installations on Exynos devices are part of those stats.

          It shows just how much of a clueless idiot you are if you think that the Exynos maintainer team, one of which has global +2 code review to all repos in CM’s code review system, are unofficial kangers.

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            So thanks for supporting my OP with your rage response. Since *all* Exynos installs are also included in his “millions”… then why should AT&T be worried? Because, I’ll say it once again, there aren’t “millions” of ROM’d devices on AT&T… thanks for trying to put me down, failing miserably, and vindicating my point in the process…

    • PhoenixPath

      ” So, partially, he quit Samsung due to his delusions of grandeur. ”

      Trolling Cyanogen? Cute.

      Not having a clue about what you’re talking about? Priceless.

      http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/

      Devices that have not checked in in 90 days are removed.

      Clues: They aren’t just for meddling kids any more.

      • BulletTooth_Tony

        I think you missed my “clue” where I said point blank that there’s no way there’s likely people running multiple devices with ROMs…. ya know, like most ROM users do. Using old phones to tool around with new stuff that might not be stable, and duplicating their ROM of choice across any tablets they own. But I guess that would require reading my entire post, instead of raging and writing a reactionary, flippant response.

        • PhoenixPath

          “I said point blank that there’s no way”

          So your defense of that trolling post is that you claim something to be fact that you have absolutely no way of knowing to be true, nor the slightest inkling of it’s possible range or quantity?

          Well, I guess that makes *all* the difference, doesn’t it then?

          /smh

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            So your response to me is to provide no evidence I’m incorrect? So what you’re saying is you don’t know either, and chances are I’m correct. It only takes a small handful of people to install it on more than one device to inflate his numbers. And all one needs to do is visit XDA to view the list of that forums members to see all the devices they use it on. And then we can travel to rootwikiz and see all of those people too. Kinda like myself… who has installed CM on 3 devices… one remaining active, and my current daily phone just being plain Jane touchwiz. I’m in those numbers. I’m on AT&T. And I don’t give a damn about a locked bootloader. So who’s at fault for speaking for a segment of the population as a whole?

          • PhoenixPath

            “So what you’re saying is you don’t know either, and chances are I’m correct.”

            Not at all. I am saying you don’t know. Whether or not I know is irrelevant as It was not I making the claim.

            For every person running CM on multiple devices, there dozens running non-CM based ROMS, which would heavily alter even your fictional numbers.

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            His numbers are for CM. Try again.

          • PhoenixPath

            My point exactly?

            You said it yourself:

            “If it’s 500,000 with people running ROMs across multiple devices…”

            “…there’s definitely not “millions” of ROMers”

            Having trouble keeping track of your own fiction?

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            Selective quoting? Fun times. “There’s definitely not millions of ROMers on AT&T alone.” Funny how 3 words change the entire context of my statement, that you selectively cut out.

          • PhoenixPath

            AT&T isn’t the point, Einstein.

            …and I quote: “LOL… millions of people run custom firmware?”

            All of the pertinent information available would seem to indicate that indeed, they do.

            Obviously, you really don’t give a crap about making a logical, rational point, you just want to be “right”, whether or not it relates to your initial claim.

            I’d direct you to AOKP’s own stats (separate from CM), and mention several other greatly popular ROMs out there (PA?), but as I said, you no longer seem to care about your point being valid…you just want to be “right” about something.

            I’m done. Even cutting all the available stats in half, in compromise to your wild-ass guesses, the total would still be “millions”.

            Have a great day.

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            The statement from Steve was calling out AT&T. My statement, obviously, was about AT&T. Cyanogen only makes ROMs for the US and Canadian versions of Samsung devices. The worldwide totals of all ROM users are irrelevant data. AT&T users of Samsung devices are all that matters. And what my statement encompassed. Your asinine statements fail to apply any context or logic to this. These are all undeniable facts. There are not millions of ROM users on AT&T using Samsung devices. There certainly aren’t millions of AT&T S4 users trying to ROM yet. All facts. There’s not even millions of downloads for the S3 i747… at&t’s version. Verified by using eyes to look at download numbers.

          • http://twitter.com/glimmerman76 eric coultas

            now att has upwards of what 90 million subs right… It could be there are a million running just on att. thats only a drop in the bucket when you look at the size of things. you also can only see the last 90 days of active cm users. The s3 is 8 months old so people could have moved on. I know I did…

  • disastrousrainbow

    Ugh, Verizon’s the worst…

  • http://www.facebook.com/sean.plantz Sean Plantz

    Mehhh they will crack it in no time and everybody well forget, I really doubt Samsung is going to be as good at this as Motorola is, and yet here I sit, with an unlocked maxx hd.

    • http://twitter.com/Belatukadro Justtyn Hutcheson

      If they really do it “right” their bootloader will be heavily encrypted and the encryption will be managed in a secure, separately encrypted, and sandboxed environment.
      The reason Motorola wasn’t cracked was because of their military-grade encryption AND the security features they enabled on the OMAP SoC. Those security features are simply not present in Snapdragon processors, hence they were cracked. However, it still took 6 months to do it, and that’s an eternity in the developer community.

      • http://www.facebook.com/sean.plantz Sean Plantz

        It’s really crazy how they locked the omap phones down, kind of depressing.

  • http://twitter.com/metalhead520 Nick

    Little faith in the developer community huh guys lol, they will crack it just like all the other phones that came before this.

    • michael arazan

      In the News: Custom Rom brings down entire Carrier Network! Said No One Ever

    • http://twitter.com/Belatukadro Justtyn Hutcheson

      The point is, it shouldn’t NEED to be cracked. Plus, hacking it can cause serious problems that simply don’t exist on a fastboot-unlocked device. Add to that the increasing developer frustration from having to deal with companies that are increasingly making their hobby more difficult, and you have developers dropping like flies. That is the truly depressing end result here.

    • MustWarnOthers

      I think the only reason the S3 got cracked, correct me if I’m wrong, was that Adam Outler essentially received an “anonymous tip” from someone at Samsung who gave them the key essentially. I’m not downplaying the hard work those folks do, only mentioning it because without that type of leak I don’t think the phone would have been as easy to break into.

  • sc4fpse

    Come on Googlerola, now is your chance!!! Finish him!!!

    • kixofmyg0t

      As someone who is firmly anti Samsung… THIS IS THE TIME TO STRIKE MOTO!

      • sc4fpse

        It’s not that I’m anti-Samsung… it’s just that I like radios that don’t completely suck. :)

        • MicroNix

          Not one dropped call in the year I’ve owned my S3. What was that noise coming out of your keyboard again??

    • MicroNix

      Hopefully Google hired in someone else to do their camera software because if they produce any of the slop that they’ve done in the past, it will be Moto that will be finished. I stand ready to see what they produce now that Google’s name is on the line but just like we’ve been reading from ex-thunderbolt owners, Moto has left such a negative taste with me that its going to take something extraordinary to make me even think of buying from them again. And you can bet I won’t be the first on the block to buy one…not until I see that there’s not 40 soak tests of updates to make it work the way it should have when I pulled it out of the box.

  • Thomas
  • Christopher Riner

    And then, there was One…

    • Tim242

      One what? Terrible camera?

      • Rodeojones000

        Serious question. Why do people, such as you, put so much stock into a cell phone camera? I guess it’s just me, but the camera is the last thing I care about when looking for a new device.

        • Tim242

          I’m not a professional photographer, therefore I don’t need a DSLR. Carrying a point and shoot would be pointless, if I can get similar quality from the device that I have with me everywhere I go. So, having the best possible camera is very important. While I am not approfessional photographer, I do enjoy cropping and editing my pics. PicSay Pro is what I use most. There are two primary things I look for in a device, camera and display. My Note 2 is fine, but the size gets cumbersome.

          • Rodeojones000

            Fair point. But is the camera on the One really that much worse? I guess I don’t know because camera specs really don’t matter to me and because I have no interest in the phone anyway (or the S4 for that matter).

          • Tim242

            The camera on the ONE is fine for social network pics and great for low light. However, it is only 4 MP. There will be much less detail. That means that you can’t crop them at all without it looking like a fuzzy mess. The bigger pixels bring in more light in low light pics, but does nothing in adequately lit areas. I take most of my pics outside, or in well lit rooms. Low light pics just aren’t my thing. I’d rather have the best all around camera, not one that just excels in one area.

          • Christopher Riner

            I thought it was a huge lens that brought in all the light? I don’t understand how pixel size has anything to do with bringing in more light.

          • http://twitter.com/nedrudrelytmai Tyler Durden

            The only problem is that once it gets larger, it looks terrible. I can already see that from people posting pics to Facebook from their One.

        • sgtguthrie

          I have two young children, so having a good quality camera on a device I already carry everywhere is priceless! I’m not going to carry another device for it though when I’m already carrying a smartphone that has the capability. The camera is a HUGE factor for me.

          • MicroNix

            If they don’t have kids, they probably don’t understand the value of having a camera instantly available any time. For those with kids, the camera is a pretty big deal. My last Moto camera could suck the chrome off a bumper it was so bad. My S3′s camera? Stunning! Some photos I’ve taken people can’t believe came from a smartphone.

  • http://twitter.com/mfg68 MFG

    If I had the money to splurge on another phone, I’d probably buy that unlocked HTC One now. I’ll be waiting to see what happens at I/O though…

    Either way, shame on you At&t.

  • andrew galvin

    score one more point for the HTC One.

    • Capt. Crunch

      I would love another HTC Nexus. Imagine if you could get this phone from directly from Google running stock Android as a $350 Nexus device.

    • Tim242

      Score one more point for a troll.

    • disastrousrainbow

      Aside from the unlocked version, isn’t the One locked for the carriers too? Seeing as they also released a developer edition S3, I’m sure the S4 will get the same treatment. I will give the One a point for its design. Just beautiful…

      • andrew galvin

        I have the ATT HTC One and i unlocked it with HTC Dev. I don’t know if you are still able to do that but I was able to unlock mine. I would have gotten the carrier unlocked / unbranded version but it was sold out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michaelgonzalez2012 Michael Gonzalez

      The One is also locked you moron.

      • PhoenixPath

        Is the name-calling really necessary??

        The One can be unlocked depending on carrier. For example, T-Mobile’s version is unlockable on HTCdev.com.

        • Tim242

          And how many people use T-Mobile? If the at&t version can’t be unlocked, that is the only ONE that really matters.

          • PhoenixPath

            Um, nope.

            The entire point is that those who want to unlock have an option. T-Mobile is one such option.

            Sorry you don’t like the HTC One, man. Please don’t let that dislike make you irrational. It’s just a phone. Some folks like it, some folks don’t.

          • Tim242

            T-Mobile is usually not an option. Their network is made up of 80% EDGE. I live in an HSPA+ 42 city, and can only manage GPRS (1G) in most buildings, including my apartment. The map shows great “4G” coverage here, yet my whole street is EDGE and goes to GPRS as soon as you go inside. I tried T-Mobile. I wanted it to work for me, but it didn’t.

          • PhoenixPath

            Well at least you gave it the old college try. That does suck though. Hopefully they’ll roll out some more now that they might be getting some more users.

            Our platforms (iOS, Android, WP) have pretty much reached feature parity…now all we need is the same from our carriers. :-D

          • andrew galvin

            the ATT One can be unlocked. I unlocked mine. And if you want to, you can buy the carrier unlocked version or dev model and use them on ATT’s network. So……

          • Tim242

            The at&t ONE is only unlockable through htcdev because of error. It will be corrected soon. Samsung sells dev editions as well. So…..

      • gtg465x

        Yes, the One is locked too, but HTC lets you unlock it easily from htcdev.com. Samsung offers no such help. HTC also sold unlocked and developer editions with LTE from day one, at a lower cost. Samsung offered a developer edition S3 last year, but at a much higher price and not until a few months after the normal S3 release.

        • sgtguthrie

          I have no dog in this fight as I left AT&T YEARS ago, but but I remember hearing that AT&T wasn’t going to allow the One to be unlocked via HTCDev on their network. I know it was working, but it should get shut off like the One X did if I remember correctly…

      • andrew galvin

        i have an att HTC One with an unlocked bootloader. unlocked it via htc dev. MORON

    • http://twitter.com/nedrudrelytmai Tyler Durden

      Not sure what the HTC One has to do with this story. Oh wait. Nothing.

      • PhoenixPath

        Untwist those panties. It’s the nearest competition to the S4 in most folks minds, so it will crop up in every S4 article. Guaranteed. Learn to deal with it, or get used to disappointment.

        • http://twitter.com/nedrudrelytmai Tyler Durden

          If anything, his logic is stupid. The One is locked as well.

          • PhoenixPath

            …but is un-lockable on HTCdev, depending on carrier.

            (For example, the T-Mobile HTC one ships locked, but can be unlocked in a matter of minutes on HTCDev.com)

            No need to be calling fellow Android users “stupid”. No-one here knows everything, and we all have opinions.

            I understand the frustration with VZW…it is exactly why I am going to T-Mobile. :D

          • http://twitter.com/nedrudrelytmai Tyler Durden

            Besides, whats the point of unlocking it now with nothing to do with it.

          • PhoenixPath

            As opposed to waiting until everything you use daily is installed and set up…and then having it wiped when we unlock after we start getting kernels and ROMs?

            Yes, we can back-up now over adb, prior to unlocking/rooting, but it’s still easier to simply get it out of the way straight off before getting everything set up and risking losing it all.

          • http://twitter.com/nedrudrelytmai Tyler Durden

            That’s like buying gas for a car that you don’t have. Ha

          • Nope

            More like buying (well, borrowing) tools in preparation for the engine you don’t have, so when it gets there you don’t have to spend so long installing it.

          • PhoenixPath

            Be sure to let us all know when you have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.

          • Butters619

            When you unlock your phone get’s wiped. Why not unlock fresh out of the box so you can avoid that later? It’s as good of time of any.

          • andrew galvin

            there are tons of roms and kernels out for the HTC One. The home to wake/sleep kernel, various new features and tweaks, removing the bloat, being able to flash the updates that come to the international variant instead of waiting for ATT to push. Lots of benefits.

          • MicroNix

            In looking at the HTC One forums, there is not a “ton” of roms and kernels out for it. Now something like the Gnex or S3, there you have a ton of roms and kernels. Let’s not use “ton” when you are talking 2 or 3 please.

          • andrew galvin

            Faux123 just started making kernels for the one. he traded his N4 for the one. Do you really need any one else? But there are actually several decent ones namely elemental and team 7.

            http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2255900

      • DroidFTW

        Is this Austin Warren’s new account? I haven’t seen him much since the story about Samsung paid trolls came out. I guess they didn’t renew his contract.

        • Austin Warren

          Maybe if there was a good article to comment on. Nothing interesting lately. Not sure who that Durden guy is. Maybe he’s from Fight Club

    • Detonation

      The One could have a million points but that doesn’t do those of us on Verizon much good.

    • http://twitter.com/armus75 Armus

      How’s that sd card slot coming on the One?

      • andrew galvin

        i dont want or need one. 32/64gb is plenty. SD cards is a technology paradigm for gingerbread phones.

        • MicroNix

          When a 64GB phone costs what a 32GB phone costs plus $100, who is more foolish? One who buys a 32GB phone with a SD slot and a $30 32GB SD card or the one who spends $70 more for a 64GB version of the phone? Not to mention when you upgrade to your next phone, its as easy as moving the SD card to have all your music and playlists instantly available.

          • LionStone

            You still carry around your music? I just stream…even in the mountains I can stream on 2G :-)

          • andrew galvin

            i bought a 32gb because i dont find it necessary to carry my entire music collection with me at all times. I have my entire library on google music but carry a fair amount of music locally. If i need to listen to an obscure song that isnt stored locally, I can stream it, not only on my device, but at work, a friends house etc. Cheap SD cards typically are slower than the higher quality storage built into the devices and can cause issues with missing files and system errors.

            For me, 32gb is plenty of storage for my phone. If i required more storage, (which i don’t think is really necessary for anyone) I would have the option of doubling my storage and paying $75 more (link below). Sure it isn’t as affordable, but who buys a premium, flag ship, state of the art smart phone and then demands cheap storage options, especially when it is only $45 more than your option. That’s like buying a ferrarri and complaining that you have to replace the tires more often.

            http://shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41589