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Wild Rumor: Motorola X Phone to Multiple Carriers, Sold Cheaply in Google Play, and Unlockable on Verizon

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Brace yourself, the hypebeasting is about to commence. A bit of info was handed to us a by a long time reader and we’re not really sure what to make of it. What we do know, is that one of [redacted] forum members who has long been a source of Motorola information, posted up the details about the “X” phone that is said to be Moto’s next big release. We thought we’d share, even if it does sound way too good to be true. Feel free to attack it, poke holes in it, drool over it, or daydream about a life with this phone in this sort of scenario. Again, it’s been flagged as a “wild rumor” on purpose. 

Here is the word on the streets:

  • Motorola X Phone will be announced at Google I/O in May.
  • Current target for release is July 8 (definitely subject to change).
  • All carriers will sell the X Phone.
  • Verizon will sell it for $299 on contract.
  • All versions will also be sold through the Google Play store at similar off-contract price to Nexus line.
  • If you want to unlock the bootloader through Verizon, they will charge a $15/month fee.
  • If you buy it through Google Play, it comes unlocked with no fee.
  • Not a “Nexus” but will come running stock Android and with some bloatware.
  • Bloatware can apparently be removed once unlocked.

I don’t even know where to begin with this. An X Phone on all carriers, running stock, that will be sold directly through Google Play at an insanely low price, and with an unlockable bootloader? Doesn’t it sound way too good? That’s a dream scenario right there, but then again, with the new Google leadership, maybe Motorola is going big. They certainly have a lot of ground to make up on the rest of the Android players.

So what do you think? Sound crazy?

Feel free to hit up the [redacted] thread as well, since it’s 600+ pages of all sorts of info.

Via:  [Redacted]

*Forum thread with source info was closed. Forum also asked to no longer be credited.

Cheers S!

  • http://twitter.com/excoriation_sex excoriation

    compare this “hype” to galaxy SIV…hmmm. samsung is the google thoroughbred

  • ArrowCool

    Wow. This is a lot to process on a Monday afternoon. For just a moment let’s assume that this information is correct.

    My first question goes to Big Red. For years Verizon has said the reason they don’t support unlocking bootloaders is because it adversely affect’s other users on their network. I think what they really meant was “We don’t want you unlocking your bootloaders because we haven’t figured out how to charge you for it.”

  • Don’t care I love my keyboard!

    physical keyboard?

    • http://twitter.com/jonathanM21 jonathanM21

      Doubt that’s ever happening again. At least we have Swype, Kii and Swiftkey.

  • Brent Cooper

    So if you buy it through verizon they charge 15/month for how long? And if you buy it thriugh play store there is no bootloader fee? And how will buying a phone not through verizon work? I hope we somehow get unlimited 4g data back

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Haven’t heard these details. I’m still not sure how they could charge someone to unlock a bootloader.

      • jhawkkw

        Maybe it will be a tool/apk like the asus bootloader unlocker that sends your device’s serial to a server for storage. This can alert them you unlocked it and thus add it to your bill?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10602828 Mike Hilal

        I hope they just tell verizon to suck it and offer the unlocked device in the Play Store

      • http://twitter.com/iron_wilhelm Mike Duren

        Could be a new way to monitor a device. Like how they can tell how many times you have rooted.

  • gchahinian

    this sounds WAY too good to be true…but if it IS true i’m gonna buy the hell out of it for sure

  • AhsanS

    Agh Verizon, if only Sprint had better coverage…

  • http://meatcastle.com/ Youre My Boy Bloo

    I don’t know… Selling Sprint and Verizon phones unlocked sounds kind of unprecedented… What motivation would Sprint or Verizon have to give Google access to the whitelists?

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      I’m just curious if these means that OEMs will choose to sell separate phones through Google Play as well, and that’s where “developers” or tinkerers will be able to go in the future to by unlockable phones.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10602828 Mike Hilal

      It would be in their interest because: More phones = More activations. These might draw more people from AT&T’s back over to verizon.

      • http://meatcastle.com/ Youre My Boy Bloo

        Possibly, but one thing it would definitely do is strip them of their power to sell contracts. All existent “unlocked” devices are at the MSRP value, which has been largely controllable by the mobile service providers. Pricing these “ulocked” devices around the Nexus line pricing would be very disruptive as it would pose a pretty sizable threat to contract signings (not big in the scope of all their customers, but a decent portion would consider them. That type of uncertainty would likely put a bit of fear in Sprint and Verizon.

  • Dave

    This rumor has only been posted to flare up VZ hatred. I highly doubt this “leak.”

  • Jonathan Bunch

    guys wait! “nothing has been confirmed” calm down

    • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

      Obviously. But why does that mean we can not get excited about it?

  • Matthew Morrison

    None of this even makes sense

  • George Fayad

    I’m waiting for a reason to leave behind my GNex (toro). Time will tell if this phone will be it. Rumors were rampant for the VZW GNex before launch so I’ll just sit back and wait for this all to come to light.

  • Tyler

    Typical verizon charging extra per month for dumb stuff.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10602828 Mike Hilal

      Buy it from Play…like 99.9% of the people out there on verizon.

      • Tyler

        That’s against the point, they should sell the device the same from each store. No extra monthly fees.

        • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

          Verizon would never do that.

          • Tyler

            I know, a man can dream right?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10602828 Mike Hilal

          If they sold it on play, it more than likely would not be locked.

          • Tyler

            I don’t know if i can spend more than $300 on a phone though is the problem, i would love to get it from the play store because I bet Google would push updates and all that Verizon crap wouldn’t exist, but only time will tell.

  • Abhisshack D

    i guess its fake , it does not make any sense

  • Dave

    Sounds too good to be true but oh man would I be happy if it were. A couple of things, though, that Moto always seem to lag behind in terms of hardware…display and camera. Get those two up to par and you’ll have my business.

    • Dave

      Exactly…Moto: worst cameras in the industry, last to ICS, last to JB, whenever they drop a quad core (probably not till summer), last to 720p screens…..agreed?

      • Justin Winker

        I’m fairly sure they weren’t last to JB… ICS, yes, most definitely close to last, but not with JB – the Razr HD and M both had ICS before the S3 and GNex.

  • Wes

    I was interested in this until a render surfaced, in which it looked like a plastic-fantastic midrange phone. That, and that I just purchased a Nexus 4.

    • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

      Where’s this render you speak of? I’ve only seen renders of the HTC M7 in the last few days.

  • omgitzjose

    confused why this isnt just the nexus 5?

    • wes

      It’s technically a Motorola phone and not a Nexus.

      • omgitzjose

        very good captain obvious ;)

  • mechapathy

    Hypebeast 101:
    1. Make up a rumor
    2. Add something that’ll piss a bunch of people off
    3. ???
    4. PROFIT!

  • Rich Koos

    Also I hope there is a sd card slot, cheap price is amazing but with a low storage like 8gb or 16gb is just too small for a phone on daily use.

    • http://iamandroid.co/profile/rocktoonz Rocktoonz

      and that is probably EXACTLY how they will ruin this phone, just like they did with the Droid DNA.

      • Rich Koos

        There’s always one flaw with google produced devices. Bad galaxy nexus camera, glass back/no LTE/low storage on nexus 4, lets hope they correct all these issues with the X phone. Android needs a better front runner than the apple esque style, Something different and awesome

  • http://bane-tech.com/ JKBane

    I literally LOL when I saw “unlocked bootloader charge $15/month!

  • Rich Koos

    This does make sense though, Motorola has the pull to get a phone on all carriers. Verizon loves to have their locked down phones and it makes sense that they would charge for you to have it unlocked. $300 is also the average price for high end phones on a carrier. And of course bloatware is gonna be there when you sell on Verizon. But what doesn’t make sense to me is the google i/o part, yes that is an event that google likes to pull out surprises, but they just released a nexus, they were pimping the galaxy nexus for 2 i/o’s. It doesn’t make much sense for them to release a nexus like device for a basically nexus gathering. But hey what do I know, I just hope its on verizon, my contract is running out soon and I would love to come back to a stock android motorola device.

    • http://www.facebook.com/oldblueeyes182 Joshua Bailey

      Totally agree except for the i/o portion. I honestly think this is the beginning of Google’s entrance into the “high-end” device arena. It is not a Nexus. It doesn’t have to be. They have control over it, and believe me Verizon will play ball if every other carrier is getting the same device. They don’t want to miss the same ship when they passed on the Galaxy S2 (they did do that didn’t they?)

      Anyways. If true, this makes two different device lineups for a possible Google Wireless entrance starting in 2014.

      • Chris Pinola

        yup, we never saw a Verizon S2

  • Trevor

    Would LOVE for this to be true. It would be awesome to buy an unlocked phone from Google to use on Verizon and basically bypass VZW altogether, other than to use their network of course.

  • steveliv

    this will be my next phone…as close to a nexus device as we can get on verizon. buy off google play activate on verizon, and keep unlimited data.

  • Chris Pinola

    whether or not the $15/month bit is true, I’m sick of Verizon’s hypocritical stance on unlockable bootloaders: “unlocked bootloaders degrade the quality of our network and we simply will not have it…but we sell the galaxy nexus…oh, and more expensive versions of the SIII and RAZR with unlocked bootloaders…trust us it makes sense, pay up”

    • Dave

      The Galaxy Nexus is popular here, but barely a blip on their sales chart. They don’t care….

  • trainplane3

    HA. As much as I want this to be true, I doubt this completely. A man can dream though…

  • http://twitter.com/davidbavin David Bavin

    So if they unlock your bootloader, and then you decide to cancel it, what are they going to do? Force you to go to a Verizon store or ship back the phone to Verizon’s headquarters? Hell no, you could just say “I need the phone for business use and I have no time” and you could possibly have your bootloader unlocked without the monthly charge…

    • TheCraiggers

      It could be a contract type thing. In the same way that signing up for service with a new phone locks you in for two years.

      • http://twitter.com/davidbavin David Bavin

        But what if I buy a different phone? :P

        • TheCraiggers

          The same thing that would happen if you bought a new phone while still on contract for your old one. You either eat the ETA, or keep paying for it.

  • TheCraiggers

    $15 a month to unlock my bootloader on a device I own?

    You know what, I hope this is true so I can give Verizon the biggest finger I can muster.

    • Trueblue711

      You don’t need it to be true.. almost every other thing Verizon does warrants that finger!

      • TheCraiggers

        Very true. Sadly, I live in rural Michigan, and I have very limited options for my wireless carrier.

        AT&T is slowly making headway around here, but AT&T is just as distasteful to me and not really worth the effort to switch to. They’re basically the same company, just a different color logo.

        I make myself feel better by abusing Verizon’s 4G while still on unlimited. Streaming music from Google Music in my car can eat up a surprising amount of data.

        • xaijin

          Not sure how old you are, but AT&T used to be a monopoly in the 80′s. They were broken up into different companies. The Verizon and new AT&T you have today are spawns of the old AT&T monopoly.

          I would not be suprised to eventually see them merge.

        • http://www.youtube.com/kimirPORTALS kimir

          Don’t forget to turn off Automatic Cache so it streams every time rather than accessing a previously downloaded file.

          • Justin Winker

            Lol’d. This is exactly what I would do.

        • Richard Yarrell

          Tmobile pimp slaps Verizon silly. I hope Verizon customers get bright and dump them like a bad habit. I did in june 2012. .

        • http://profiles.google.com/flamesbladeflcl Flame Blade

          Michigan verizon user here too, I ran through 13gb this month and don’t feel bad at all.

  • Marcus Thomas

    I’m not on Verizon, but $15/mo to unlock the bootloader? That sounds ridiculous.

  • Ibrick

    The all carriers thing I could see. With Google backing Moto they definitely have the clout to do what Samsung and Apple are able to do.

  • Dale Gribble

    I’ll unlock the bootloader for free, thanks.

  • Dale Gribble

    Sounds awesome but too good to be true.

  • Liquidretro

    I will believe it, when its official. Until then I will happily use the N2.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Dye/575025297 Mike Dye

    They’ll never allow Verizon to charge for the unlock option. Besides i don’t see a none nexus device selling from the Play store.

    • TheCraiggers

      How is it any different than the “developer editions” of the phones Verizon sells for more than the unlocked version?

      Besides, Google already caved with Verizon on the GNexus by letting them stick their ugly logo / bloatware on my phone, I wouldn’t be too sure about Google taking a stance against them if it meant they could offer their new phone on Verizon’s massive userbase.

      • http://twitter.com/BatsShadow Scott Webber

        The developer phones do not really cost more, they just won’t subsidize them. This is very different.

  • http://twitter.com/_thebackground thebackground.org

    Anyone who knows what it means to unlock a bootloader sure as hell isn’t going to pay Verizon $15/month for it.

    • Trueblue711

      I’m hoping that this new unlocked bootloader pricing is a result of their probably-failed attempt to sell the GS3 Developer Edition. Hopefully this will fail and they will be forced to re-evaluate the situation yet again.

  • Keith0606

    make it about $349 off contract and I can use on verizon? Holy crap I am sold, plus I could keep my unlimited internet.

    • Shadowcell

      That part I highly doubt. I want it to be true, but I don’t have too much hope.

      I’ve been looking for a decent smartphone to replace my Droid Razr being that I upgraded to keep my grandfathered data plan but so far Verizon has been shoving a knife on my back with these heavy off-contract pricing.

      • http://twitter.com/jonathanM21 jonathanM21

        The other day DailySteals had some great prices on refurbished android phones, seemed like it could have been what you were looking for. You might also want to check out Swappa.

        If this rumor is true I plan on getting the X phone on VZW for my unlimited data. If VZW tries to find a way to say I can’t, I’ll walk away and go to T-Mobile for their $70 unlimited. Vote with your wallets!

      • KleenDroid

        Don’t fall for it. Keep your unlimited at all costs.

  • Chris

    I was doubting this rumor until the $15 dollar/month unlocked bootloader through verizon. That makes the most sense out of the whole thing.

    • http://profiles.google.com/jeremy.sheehan Jeremy Sheehan

      As sad as it sounds, you’re right.

      • Chris Pinola

        I was literally going to say exactly this. How sad that that’s the reality of the situation.

    • http://twitter.com/ToysSamurai Toys Samurai

      On the other hand, don’t you agree that this is exactly the kind of blood-sucking idea that Verizon would have come up with?

  • http://www.facebook.com/oldblueeyes182 Joshua Bailey

    Kellex, did you cry in excitement when you wrote that? I cried as I read it. If true, biggest news of the last 6 months for Android.

    The Moto Beast phone we have all been waiting for.

  • aQuickBit

    Don’t you get my hopes up like that!

  • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

    Screw the wild rumor status and skip straight to wet dream status. Giggity Giggity

  • http://twitter.com/utahcon Adam Barrett

    I won’t hold my breath. Why stock Android with bloatware? So weird. Though it is Motorola, and not technically Google. Price of $299 on big red is interesting, wonder what the unlocked Play price is then… should be $299 if we are going off Nexus pricing. I will cross my fingers and hope.

    • http://twitter.com/ToysSamurai Toys Samurai

      Non Nexus stock Android with bloatware could happen. Basically it’s just a reincarnation of “Google Experience” phones, like the original Droid — they are not Nexus, but run the stock Android OS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tylerjehills Tyler James Edward Hills

    YES. YES. A THOUSAND TIMES YES

  • trophynuts

    believe it when i see it.

  • fartbubbler

    TGTBT

  • bigredandroid

    One can dream

  • http://twitter.com/Kenny_Larson Kenny Larson

    Uh…no. The one that kills it is that it will be sold through the google play store. That would cause tremendous brand confusion plus it would really irk other OEMs who aren’t being sold in the play store. Unless, they will all become available through the store.

    • http://www.facebook.com/oldblueeyes182 Joshua Bailey

      I completely disagree here. I think we will see this more and more in the future with devices that Google has had a great deal of input with. This is only the beginning.

      • http://twitter.com/Belatukadro Justtyn Hutcheson

        I agree. I can see that the Play store could carry unlocked “Google recommended” devices, ones that have limited bloatware, are unlockable, and all bloatware is removable. Thus, those devices would be roughly equivalent to the “Microsoft Signature” devices that MS sells through its online store. http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/cat/categoryID.44066900

    • http://www.twitter.com/dsilinski slinky317

      Unless of course other OEM devices would also be sold through the Play Store as well, which would jive with a lot of rumors that have been going around the past few months.

  • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

    I guess this is kinda what I expected when we heard the original rumor. I just hope it really does ‘reinvent the smartphone’, like the product manager who moved from Google to Moto said he would.

    Sounds like this will be my next phone.

  • DC_Guy

    Tim Cook just flatlined!

    • trophynuts

      Why?

  • http://twitter.com/StevenS2k5 Steven Schultz

    Leave it to VZW to make a profit to let users do something they have done for free for years…

    • JoshGroff

      I doubt they’ll do it unless they shaft iPhone users for jailbreaking.

      • http://twitter.com/Belatukadro Justtyn Hutcheson

        Jailbreaking is not a “feature” of the iPhone. Unlocking the bootloader of an android device technically is an “extra” feature (i.e., it requires an unlock code, even if it is simple or automated to obtain). Therefore, Motorola’s unlock system can keep a simple database of unlocked IMEI’s that Verizon can use to check the devices it has accessing its network, and charge accordingly and automatically. Jailbroken iPhones are using an exploit to gain limited device access, and as such can’t be tracked. Once again, Android users get screwed.

        • JoshGroff

          True, well, all I know is that if Verizon ever implements such a charge, I’m ditching them.

  • ddevito

    “If you want to unlock the bootloader through Verizon, they will charge a $15/month fee.”

    HA – who the hell would do that?!

    • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

      Verizon users, I guess. Although I’d rather switch to prepaid and buy if off the Play Store if I was a Verizon user.

      • ddevito

        Couldn’t we do it ourselves?

        • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

          If there was an unlock method, probably. But if Verizon found out you’d unlocked it ‘illegally’, they’d probably make you pay more.

          • ddevito

            that bloatware, even if I used it – isn’t worth $15/month.

          • CAPTOBVI

            The are billing the unlocking of a bootloader as a feature that you now have to pay for, thus if you do it without paying them monthly you are in violation of your contract. Get ready for AT&T to follow.

          • Pants

            Collusion is the name of the game!

          • michael arazan

            Great, soon to follow will be paying for updates to phones

          • http://www.impulsivestudios.com/ Justin Myers

            It’s legal to unlock your phone. But if you are referring to “illegal” as not paying Big Red more money, then yes. lol

          • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

            That’s exactly what I mean.

          • Jeff

            They can’t any user may unlock their phone on any carrier in the U.S.. It is part of the agreement between the Carries and the GOV when they buy frequency spectrum.

          • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

            I mean ‘unlock’ as in unlock the bootloader, which on many phones, especially the DROID line Verizon doesn’t allow…is this what you’re taking about?

            I think you mean SIM unlock, right?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500698751 Paul Hansen

            Not for devices with CDMA radios.

          • rstat1

            If it’s on Verizon it’s LTE, and for LTE, they can’t do much to restrict your usage without running afowl of the FCC.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500698751 Paul Hansen

            Not correct. Since the device still has a CDMA radio in it it can still be restricted. Even if it were dormant that restriction can/will apply.

          • rstat1

            No I had it right. Note the usage of the three letters L, T and, E. I wasn’t talking about CDMA. That’s different entirely.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500698751 Paul Hansen

            Except… the device still has a CDMA radio in it which forces the device as a whole to play by VZW’s rules. If the device was LTE only without a CDMA radio inside you would be correct.

          • rstat1

            Good thing the FCC didn’t see it that way when it fined VZW for violating open access rules on their LTE network when they blocked access to the tethering apps on the Play Store.

            So once again..No I had it right.

          • Phuq Obama

            Since you can buy it unlocked through GPlay there is no way they could charge you for unlocking it yourself. Like most rumors the more ridiculous they sound the least likely they are true. Big Red has been slapped by the FCC a couple of times now. They can’t charge you to tether and they can’t charge you a fee to do something to the phone you own. They can only stop you from accessing the network if you prove to be a threat and so far they haven’t proven that unlocking a phone makes it a threat.

      • LiterofCola

        I doubt you’d be able to use this as a pre-paid device

      • smwandrie93

        No 4g phone is allowed on verizon’s prepaid service.

    • http://www.facebook.com/djamATL Derrick James

      basically paying $15 to have access to their 4G LTE network….I would do it if i wasn’t on a tiered data plan

      • http://twitter.com/ToysSamurai Toys Samurai

        That only makes sense if the other rumor is not true:

        “All versions will also be sold through the Google Play store at similar off-contract price to Nexus line.”

        At $299 + $180 = $479. The 16Gb Nexus 4 is only $349. Let’s say the X Phone has 32Gb and Google/Motorola dare to charge us $100 more for the extra 16Gb, it will still only be sold at $449. Why would anyone pay more to unlock through Verizon?

        • http://twitter.com/Ghub1 Chris Ghubril

          Don’t forget the $30 “upgrade fee” if you buy through verizon for the classes on how to use your phone.

          • Tim242

            Haha@classes. That made me almost spit out my drink.

    • http://twitter.com/ahad ahad(thatnorthnorth)

      seriously I read that and just blurted out laughing.

      • http://twitter.com/r2DoesInc r2DoesInc

        My boss came over and asked why i was laughing lol

        • http://twitter.com/PatriciaBrand17 Patricia Brandon

          Hopefully by all versions, it means ALL versions.http://www.Get73dollareveryhourontheinternet.com.qr.net/jWH1/0,,20665981,00/mansion-america-39-s

          • michael arazan

            I have a Dreamed a Dream, and now that Dream has come for me

          • http://twitter.com/Perf_white_GT C. H.

            If you are going to say it… get it right

            I have dreamed a dream, and now that dream has gone from me.

          • Mrhug3

            You sir, are “The One”

          • coolsilver

            HTC told me “It’s not your dream phone, it’s the one after that.” This statement is sadly the harsh truth. It will not be an HTC either.

    • Brandon

      No worries, if this is actually real there will almost undoubtedly be an unlocking tool available from developers, probably before the release date.

    • http://twitter.com/ToysSamurai Toys Samurai

      That’s $360 for 2 years. I would rather buy the phone outright if it’s sold at Nexus price.

      • michael arazan

        Google Play $450< Verizon $650

    • Jonathan Bunch

      I really doubt that’s legit? besides im sure it will be unlockable thanks to the dev. community

    • r0lct

      So Verizon is saying that bloat is worth $15/month to them. Didn’t think they got that much.

      • Dave

        Anyway bloat is over hyped. Phones with massive chips pushing 1.5 to 2.0ghz and 1-2 GB RAM don’t bog down from bloat, maybe 2 years ago. Kind of like saying a funny car gets bogged down by a bag of water softener salt added to the car’s weight.

        • JoshGroff

          Depends on how much bloat and how much of it is set to run constantly, but yes, for the most part bloat is negligible.

        • r0lct

          Agreed it is over hyped. My Note 2 I haven’t really had a desire to rom and it and that’ll likely not change until there’s an unlocked official Note 2 Android KLP rom and I get tired of waiting for the Verizon update. Until then I’m happy with just root.

          • Dave

            I have the same device and and right next to you in the same boat. I’ve heard of a beans ROM which is TW based and basically just offers a ton more customizations. But I work 45-50 hours a week, have 4 kids and extracurricular activities, ROMming takes time to maintain and live with a device that usually doesn’t function 100%. I just don’t have the time for it.

          • Tim242

            As I told you before, Jelly Beans requires no maintaining and functions 100%.

          • Dave

            I remember thanks. It was more of a vague blanket statement about other Roms. It will be the first I try.

          • ckeegan

            While I only have 2 kids, I work more than 50 hours a week. Once you get past the initial rooting process, flashing custom ROMs takes very little time, and i have no idea what “maintenance” you’re talking about. I flashed a new version of Shiny a month ago, and haven’t had to maintain anything.

          • billy routh

            Beans rom is awesome, works perfect, ive not had a single issue with it! Plus its themed to look exactly like aosp.

        • JBartcaps

          I don’t consider that the reason people don’t like bloatware. I don’t like it because there are apps on my phone that i otherwise would never install

        • asianrage

          Bloatware is junkware I don’t need.

          Case in point, was it necessary for Verizon to force My Verzion and Backup Assistant on the Galaxy Nexus when they could have pointed any buyers to the Play Store?

        • Tyler

          The main problems with bloat: it wakes up the device when its idle, takes up space on the phone, and can clutter your phone assuming your not using a custom launcher.

        • Butters619

          I still don’t want 10 extra apps on my phone that I will never use.

      • Richard Yarrell

        Verizon is useless.

        • squiddy20

          If Verizon is so “useless”, why are there 100 million Verizon Wireless customers compared to T-Mobile’s 30 million?

          • KleenDroid

            You are correct. But I do think these numbers will begin to shift a bit. I know many who are not upgrading their phones and letting contracts run out to keep options open… Including myself and my 5 lines. 4 of which are already expired.

          • http://twitter.com/iron_wilhelm Mike Duren

            coverage

          • smwandrie93

            verizon used to have 120mil last year….looks like 20 mil think they are useless too

          • BL

            That may have a lot more to do with verizon not carrying any attractive, business worthy Android phones. Passed on Optimus G, passed on Xperia… anything, and gives us hideous (regardless of how well made they are) Samsung and Motorola handsets and a unacceptable compromise of a phone, the DNA.

          • Richard Yarrell

            100 million fools what does that mean. Look at apple and all it’s followers that’s what Verizon reminds me of. And you NEVER BEEN on Verizon in your entire life but as usual you comment like the basic fool you have always been. Least we have experienced Verizon i had 2 lines for 9 months far more and better than your pitiful experience on boost mobile with your useless Samsung Moment you had for 2yrs. And now with your crappy Galaxy Nexus on Sprint. Your probably on your mothers bill cause people don’t stay prepaid for years then change to contract unless someone is helping them. Man up @squiddy20 your so sad living off moms get a real job and life for a change i laugh at you so much.

        • http://profiles.google.com/jeremy.sheehan Jeremy Sheehan

          It’s hard to get away from Verizon when their service is so damn reliable. I’m fed up with them, but thinking of moving to another carrier that ISN’T AT&T (which I will not move to) makes me shudder.

          • evileclipse

            I know first hand this problem you speak of. I’d been with Verizon for over two years but in September I switched to sprint. The service was so spotty that by the end of December I switched back. I no longer have unlimited data, and I pay about $40 more, but at least when I want to use my phone, it just works. I hate rewarding vzw for all the crap they pull, but out in the country where I live, theres not much choice.

    • http://www.keithbluhm.com/ Keith

      - All versions will also be sold through the Google Play store at similar off-contract price to Nexus line.
      - If you want to unlock the bootloader through Verizon, they will charge a $15/month fee.
      - If you buy it through Google Play, it comes unlocked with no fee.

      Hopefully by all versions, it means ALL versions.

      This is of course assuming these “wild” rumors are true.

    • Raven

      And, if this happens, the sad truth is when nobody does because of the ridiculous pricing they will just spin it as “The number of people using this feature shows that no one is really interested in unlocking their bootloader.” And, then they will use that to squash the unlocked bootloader discussion for good. Rather like how they say, “no one is really interested in unlimited data because so many people are switching to the capped share plans.”

      • abqnm

        I think it would more likely Verizon saying that all unlocked users tether without a plan (unlimited plan users) so they are just charging the $15 either way. So just look at it as paying for tethering to unlock.

      • Adam Marr

        Wrong, in a way. The sad truth is that they’ve claimed the “network security” provision of the block C rules to prevent unlocked bootloaders in the past (as well as poor customer service, but really the issue with block C is network security and its impact to “other customers on the same network”). If this is true, which I hope it is, then Verizon is essentially saying bootloaders are “safe” for our network, as long as you pay us $15 a month. To me, this seems like the same charging for tethering nonsense the FCC shot down a little while back, stating that Verizon cannot block tethering apps. In the same way, they are basically opening themselves up for the same issue with bootloaders. Of course, when Verizon subs a phone, they can tell the manufacture to follow their rules, load it up with bloatware and lock the bootloader, and there is no way around that, but hopefully this lends some credence to the idea that this phone will be sold unlocked on the play store at a “nexus-like” price, and still be compatible with verizon’s cdma/lte network. Once we get voice over 4G, hopefully the open-devices provision of block C will kick in, and we’ll start to see lots of unlocked verizon phones, but until then it seems like CDMA is preventing that from happening. That being said, I’m sure big red will do everything they can to slow that down, and the wonderfully slow and oblivious FCC will make sure to jump in and support the customers right as verizon starts rolling out 5G, with its own new rules and lock-downs. Personally, I hope they decide to lower their plan costs for unlocked and non-sub’d devices, and charge a monthly fee for device subsidies, but we all know the likelihood of that happening.

        • hyperbolee

          “To me, this seems like the same charging for tethering nonsense the FCC shot down a little while back, stating that Verizon cannot block tethering apps. In the same way, they are basically opening themselves up for the same issue with bootloaders.” Don’t think so http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/25/3915414/psa-unlocking-your-phone-without-carrier-authorization-is-illegal so basically Verizon can now charge a fee legally for this – this is for sure not the same boat as tethering. There was never legal support for tethering, for locked bootloaders there is as of Saturday.

          • Adam Marr

            I think your confusing SIM Lock with Bootloader locking. The DCMA rules apply to SIM locking I think. That is what ties you to a carrier (which is what the rule you provide a link to is talking about from everything I’ve read about it on other sites). Unlocking your bootloader by itself does not give you the ability to leave your carrier, you still have to SIM unlock your phone to do so, which generally requires gaining access to unlock codes. So, while it is confusing because we tend to think of “unlocking” as bootloader unlocking, from what I can tell the law is actually talking about SIM locking/unlocking, which is quite different. So again, yes, it is a bit like charging for tethering, and blocking all other methods of tethering. I still don’t see how its much different.

      • LiterofCola

        The truth is, that the majority of mobile users don’t even know what a bootloader is

        • BL

          So true. Honestly though. I would gladly pay for this feature.

    • http://profiles.google.com/jtsurf18 Jason Downing

      I don’t know WHO will, but it WILL happen…

    • Daniel Russell

      Maybe some people know how terrible the Google play store has been with the Nexus 4, so some might think it’s worth it to pay Verizon their money just so they don’t have to wait months to get their device. Not saying it’s sensible, but Google has brought this ridicule upon themselves with their stocking issues.

    • brando56894

      If this is true VZW can suck a big fat one….

    • http://twitter.com/Patfactorx David Pat

      The Moto dev community has been making some amazing roms even with a locked bootloader. Their stuff runs better than my Nexus 10 roms even.

    • http://profiles.google.com/thelolotov Jacob Davis

      Nobody. They don’t expect anybody to pay for it. You want to know why they’re doing it? That way, if you do it, they can sue you for theft of service or something like that. It’s genius and fucked up.

  • http://twitter.com/whatisajimmy ok

    No way.

  • http://www.twitter.com/thewizkid95 Jesus Otero

    I came.