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HTC Announces the J Butterfly for Japan – 5″ 1080p Display, Quad-core Processor, and Fingers Crossed for Verizon

You know the HTC “dlx” or 5″ 1080p Verizon phone that we have been talking about for months now? HTC just announced it for Japan as the J Butterfly, and it looks stunning.

The device does indeed sport a 5″ Super LCD 3 1080p display (440ppi), Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core processor, LTE, Jelly Bean (Android 4.1), 16GB internal storage, 2GB RAM, 8MP rear camera, 2.1MP front camera, 2020mAh battery, and a microSD card slot. The J Butterfly weighs 140g and is 9.1mm thick. For Japan, it will come in 3 colors:  red, white and black. HTC is expecting to launch it in December.

As you can see from the pictures of the black version, this looks a lot like the phone that was leaked back on September 1.

So what does this mean for a U.S. variant? Typically when we see a phone get announced internationally, OEMs tend to announce it stateside before long. This doesn’t necessarily mean that the phone is going to be unveiled tomorrow or the following week, since Verizon’s schedule is pretty full, but you never know, we could see it in the next month or so.

Thoughts? Is this your next phone, should it come to Verizon?

Via:  HTC

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  • Jeff

    They should give it 64gb of internal storage though, or ANY of their phones for that matter. With microSD compatibility AT LEAST @ 64 GB.

  • Jeff

    I will buy that phone tomorrow if it comes to verizon

  • droidbeat

    Yes, and yes! But, the battery had better be removable or larger.

  • nightscout13

    Why do these OEM’s persist on using small capacity batteries? Do they really thing consumers prefer to charge twice a day?

  • DAMN YOU HTC !!!!!
    Why no launch for India ??
    I would’ve actually went out of my way to get something like this !

    *Sob* *Sob*….

  • That’s lovely

  • NemaCystX

    The Black/Red version will likely come to Verizon, but they’ll find a way to keep it “under-competitive” just like they did wit hthe Rezound around this same time last year.

    The Vigor was on everyone’s radar until its true specs were revealed.

    The Butterfly has to be the most stunning device HTC has ever made, to date. I actually like it in White. This one would be a worthy successor to the DROID Incredible as the DROID Incredible X, but DLX “Deluxe” is just as good I guess, but its just a name,

    Do we know any comparison specs? like how does it measure up against the latest top tier devices like the Galaxy S3/iP5/RZRHD etc

    how thin is it compared to the GS3? a number is a number compared to seeing it before I get people pointing out the 9.1mm thick spec above

  • iNfAMOUS70702

    Samsung makes a 5.5″ phone and throws a monster battery in it..Motorola makes a thin ass phone an throws an even bigger battery in it..htc makes this beast and puts a smaller battery than the one x+ or even the SGSIII…smh….smfh -__-

  • wm snyder

    I thought verge said it was only Japanese phone?

  • Phreak

    Im also a little worried about the battery. i got my missus the Note 2 and the battery lasts easily well into the next day with moderate – heavy use. 3500mah battery is awesome. I wonery why HTC went with such a small battery. Maybe theyll change it to a bigger battery when it is released elsewhere but who knows maybe it has extremely efficient power use. Either way i cant wait to see it and it may be my next phone!

  • Finally something worth talking about.

  • Sean

    2 things …. First the battery needs to be min 2500 mah. Second this needs to be a nexus phone. I’ve given up waiting for manufactures and telcoms to provide updates.

  • Ibrick

    Look at all those pixels!

  • tobie azeez

    The galaxy s3 has 2100 mah battery and might as well have a 5 inch screen. And the battery does just fine.

  • Tyler Casilio

    I hate that version of Sense. In my opinion they killed it and it looked better in the leaked pics. Looks nothing like the leak

  • Diablo81588

    Typical HTC. Make a 5 inch device and put a 2Ah battery in it. What a joke!

  • paul_cus

    HTC continuing their tradition of small batteries. The
    phone looks like the best thing I’ve seen out of their camp, though.

  • Ohiwastedmylife

    Hands on review compared to Galaxy SIII: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GhFnUP7rlQ

    • Trevor

      Looks like a glossy backplate. Why HTC, WHY????

      • Ohiwastedmylife

        It comes in two different styles. I saw some pictures of a very matte black backing and the shimmery/shiny backings as well. Interested to see what ones they offer. Check out these photos and see what i mean : http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/17/3515214/htc-j-butterfly-hands-on-photos#3883853

        • Trevor

          Oh, awesome. Good find! I much, much, much prefer a matte/rubbery backing to the phone than glossy. Better grip, less fingerprints (depending on color…and how greasy your fingers are).

  • Ibrick

    Yes please.

    And if anyone is still doubting this will show up for VZW, in an email I received after voicing my opinion on them not opting for the Optimus G, the tech called it the DROID Incredible X, said it looked like a terrific device. He was hoping it would be available on Verizon since I mentioned it was a phone I was waiting for. I’m not sure if he wasn’t aware its common knowledge DROID branded phones won’t be on any other carriers..

  • nobody72

    Assuming the battery is not removable i would prefer it to be a bit larger. Other than that it is tough toss up between this and the LG Opt (though that might not make it verizon). The draw feature on the LG is pretty nifty.

  • big_Stefano

    Wow! Imagine how fast this will be when it finally comes running Windows Phone!

  • nightscout13

    Looks good. But be prepared to buy an external battery pack, and carry it on your back.

  • john

    this is a joke right? we will be seeing this in america? I am a loyal htc fan. HTC Incredible & HTC Thunderbolt. Would get the HTC One x+ but it aint on Verizon….

  • Stevedub40

    Why the capacitive touch buttons!

  • Imagine if they came out with a nexus version of this device?

  • Ben Johnson

    It looks to me like there are POGO pins on the back of the device just above the Beats audio logo.

  • Bob G

    It’ll prob go to AT&T as the next upgrade to the One X+

  • flosserelli

    I would love to see this in Nexus guise, with a removable battery and no Beats bullshiat.

  • DainLaguna

    interesting that it says with google on the back…
    id love to see this come to verizion…but knowing verizon they’d muck up the design and it give it an awful name.
    if it came to verizon as IS, then we’d be talking.
    though….this as a nexus would pretty much make it the greatest phone EVER.

  • I’d heard this phone won’t be available stateside but the display will. So I’m holding out hope that the US variant has a bigger battery and non-Rhyme Sense overlay…or hell just make it a Nexus and make us all happy lol

  • If and only if I keep unlimited ( full retail…damn) and I can run CM 10

  • Seanfranchise6

    That phone has BEAST MODE written all over it. I’d ditch my Galaxy Nexus for that……………if it has better stock battery life and a removable battery.

  • Richard

    All phones coming out these days seem to be lacking at least one important feature.

    HTC DLX: small battery
    Motorola RAZR HD (MAXX): no Jelly Bean
    Samsung Galaxy Nexus: bad battery life and bad camera
    Samsung Galaxy S3: pentile display
    Apple iPhone 5: IOS 6 (map)

    Will we ever have best of all worlds? These lacking features on these phones are important enough for users to be their Achilles Heel. I am going to try out Samsung Galaxy Note II as this phone seems to be void of most of the neglected features, but even then I will have to adjust to the phone size.

    • flosserelli

      The pentile display is the only thing steering you away from the SGS3? Not to sound dickish, but have you actually used a SGS3 for more than 15 minutes in a store? It is arguably the best display for its size (with the sole exception of the One X)

      • Bob G

        It’s funny how Pentile displays were so hated on, until people were forced to use it on their GS3s, and now Samsungites act as if Pentile isn’t terrible.

        I remember when those same people cursed and cried at Motorola for using them in the first place.

        • flosserelli

          Again, have you actually *used* a SGS3? I was one of those people that “cursed and cried” at Motorola for using it in the RAZR, because it was utterly craptastic…unless you like the fuzzy screen door effect. The SGS3 display is exponentially better than the RAZR. If you think the SGS3 display is no better than the RAZR, then I want some of whatever you’re smoking.

      • Richard

        I have used couple of my friends for some time and although the screen isn’t bad it is not as good as its competitors namely One X (as you mentioned), Galaxy Note 2, LG Optimus, and etc. I read a detailed review of the screen and you can see that the white on Galaxy S3 is not very white and on close up since pixels share neighboring ones to proudce colors, it does not look as vibrant or sharp as non-pentile displays.
        Again, I’m not trying to bash the phone based on the display, but pentile display is known to be less stellar in the display community most people preferring other technology such as pure RGB.

    • steve30x

      Well yeah i agree about the pentile display but its not as horrible like Motorola Bionic’s pentile looking through a screen door display..ugh.

  • StoneColdCarl

    Battery really worries me. With that kind of display and specs, this is going to kill the battery quickly. Would it hurt to add a few mm onto the phone and put a bigger battery?

    • steve30x

      I agree they should be 2,500mah and up minimum for 5 inch devices.

  • Destroythanet

    If it is not much wider than my GS3, I’ll be intrigued with it. Not interested in a Galaxy Note type phablet.

  • Butters619

    RIP card clock widget

  • Brittany n

    sure if only it has a bigger battery maybe the US version will have a bigger one more then likely not gonna happen but would be nice if it did so I might be going for the note 2 after all

  • Jackson

    This device will die in like 6 hours especially with that much red even with the s4 pro

  • C-Law

    That’s HTC, always a smaller battery than what we want

  • Knlegend1

    Beautiful phone however if this phone comes to Verizon it will be another dead device.

  • Bionic

    Horribe battery by today’s standards. Even with an S4pro. Battery fail.

  • Phil Onyschuk

    I would potentially ditch my S3 for this, battery life has to be on par.

  • too late HTC.. i already got my SG 3 and now i am in another 2 yr contract..

  • jhjr24

    Hell yeah, now the only thing I will have to get over is the fact that the phone isn’t from Motorola. I have only owned Motorola phones, but for specs, I will move over.

  • If the battery is removable, I’m all in. If not, there’s just no way in hell.

  • Pegleg

    HTC phones never seem to have the build quality I want. Does VZW really need this in their lineup? They really need to clean house and focus on serious phones. The fact that the RAZR HD and RAZR MAXX HD are not going to be arriving with JB is another major stumble for them. The VZW/MOTO combination just seems to continue being left behind.

  • val45k

    that battery is a deal breaker for me….

  • SubaruUnited

    If Verizon doesn’t get the Optimus G, I’ll buy this. I’m not all that interested by the screen, though I do hope it is one of Sharp’s new IGZO panels, but more so the quad-core Snapdragon S4 processor. The Galaxy Note II looks beastly, but the S4 Pro is faster than the Exynos 4 quad-core.

    To those complaining about the ThunderBolt: try out the Droid Charge.

    • JoshGroff

      Also, the Bionic. That’s why I always laugh at anyone that complains about an OEM from one bad phone experience.

  • Therie Moore

    No processor gonna ever give you its true power while running Sense. I’ll never own a Sense ran device again

    • JoshGroff

      Yes, because Sense is the ONLY OEM skin that bloats down a phone.

      Stop crying about specific skins as if the rest are any different. (outside of new Blur.)

  • Tim242

    The J Butterfly? HTC’s naming has gotten to a new low.

    • JoshGroff

      Sounds more manly than the Sensation.

  • DanSan

    its called the butterfly… seriously?

  • “with Google” hmmm

    Ala LG Nexus

    • JoshGroff

      With Google has been on a few non nexus devices. Off the top of my head, the G2X comes to mind, also the Droid X and X2.

      • steve0617

        Thunderbolt too, on the kickstand.

  • MUST HAVE!!!!

  • HTC page also says it’s water resistant and it looks like it has wireless charging as well.

  • moelsen8

    nice phone. let’s see what kind of damage verizon can do to it. i bet they can make it look super hideous.

  • JoeInMo

    I’ve never liked the cheap feel and build quality of HTC phones so it doesn’t matter to me.

  • palomosan

    Make this a Nexus, drooling.

  • bogy25

    Japan?? Why not the US????

  • dannyxc1128

    I hope to see it soon , cause i smashed the screen on my Thunderbolt and really miss it !!!

    • Vulvastix

      I’ll sell you my tbolt 🙂

      • JoshGroff

        I sold mine for 125 a little over a month ago, and it was only fair condition.

  • Steve Douglas

    Did anyone see? IPX5 and has an IR Port? http://www.htc.com/jp/smartphones/htl21/#specs Someone had mentioned removable battery, but the only reference I saw was a note about “closing the cap”… I think I need this 🙂

  • hkklife

    MicroSD? Awesome, along with the other specs. But Sense and a fixed battery that’s smaller in size than the S3’s removable battery? Hellz no! This sucker has a lot of pixels to push around, so battery life is a huge concern for me. Making this the basis of the next Nexus would be a huge step in the right direction, however. It’s really time for a Nexus phablet IMHO.

  • Man carriers should be forced to fight over phones that way it’s the OEM’s with the power to make them do stuff like not lock bootloaders and slow down updates and do really stupid things like add ongoing wifi notifications to phone and take away toggle switches etc……

  • bigredandroid

    Small battery = FAIL

  • Michael swaim

    DUDE I AM SO DOWN IF this TYPE of phone comes to Verizon, I will even try to buy it straight out just to keep my unlimited plan, cuz you know ill be streaming Alot on a screen like that.

  • sith77

    Maybe the new Verizon variant coming in November ?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • Dave

    I think it’s a beautiful device. Just too bad it’s not part of the Nexus program (that we are aware of).

  • androidkin

    only 2020mAh?

  • trob6969

    YES! HTC didn’t let me down on the microSD slot! I would appreciate a swappable battery but I can do without that feature but no expandable memory would have been unforgivable! This IS my next phone!

    • Chris

      Could not agree more.

      • trob6969

        I just found out that it’s Antutu benchmark score is 13,827! That stomps on any other smartphone on the market AND its waterproof! Damn!

  • yarrellray

    I applaud Htc it’s fantastic to have choice in this new category of smartphone technology. Regardless I will be purchasing the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 when it launches on day with Tmobile. Samsung has proven it’s self in this space and the overall specs and experiences on the Galaxy Note 2 just makes sense. Samsung understands what it’s customers want and need and they provide that for it’s customers I applaud Samsung for innovative products. Large option of space meaning 64gb sdxc sd class 10 card, 3100mAh battery, and overall the best all purpose entertainment device ever made that’s the Samsung Galaxy Note 2. No device arriving to market between now and the next 180 days will be better than the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 not even this Htc Droid Incredible X…

    • jak_341

      Well said. Samsung clearly has taken the lead when it comes to OEMs. Google needs to sole source them.

    • Verizon

      I applaud you for stating an opinion as fact. I assume by your comments that the crystal ball you are using lets you see all phones on all carriers for the next 180 days? I too will applaud HTC for making advances and putting impressive hardware into a phone. I’ll also applaud Samsung for the innovative way that they use Touch Wiz to make their phones look and act much worse than their hardware should allow.

  • nsnsmj

    I hope it’s not only for Verizon. It needs to be on all carriers, like the GSIII. That’s HTC’s problem. They do too many carrier exclusives, and have a hard time establishing a brand.

    • yarrellray

      This current device as instituted would never make it on Tmobile. Tmobile in general bring better options in it’s handsets to it’s customers. The fact that the battery can’t be removed and storage expansión is weak plus small battery option this will never hit Tmobile.

      • squiddy20

        “Tmobile in general bring better options in it’s handsets to it’s customers.” Name for me 2 phones other than than the Galaxy S and One X lines that T-Mobile is known for. I’ll bet you can’t because T-Mobile isn’t known for much else in the phone department.
        “and storage expansión is weak” WTF? Storage expansion is storage expansion. You either have it or you don’t, and this phone definitely has it. Can you read?
        “The fact that the battery can’t be removed” Ummm it hasn’t been stated that this is true or not, so there goes your little “fact”. Do you even know what a fact is?
        “plus small battery option this will never hit Tmobile.” And yet the HTC One X “hit Tmobile” with it’s puny 1650 mAh battery.

      • Verizon

        *Cough *Cough HTC One S.

        Have you looked at any of the phones on T-Mobile lately? Besides the GS3, Note 2 and maybe the Optimus L9 what are they even offering?

        As far as I can tell you have a real problem with Verizon and I think it is making you talk out you ass a bit.

        • chris125

          because he got mad because he dumped sprint and switched to verizon and couldn’t afford it so now he is on tmo and claims they are the bees knees, funny he claimed the same thing about sprint when he was with them, and verizon for the short time he was with them.

  • More importantly, how wide is this phone?

    • Chris

      4.87 x 2.7 x 0.39 Inches – Nokia Lumia 920
      5.38 x 2.78 x 0.34 Inches – Galaxy S III
      5.63 x 2.79 x 0.36 Inches – HTC J Butterfly (HTL21)


  • Larizard

    How convenient. They left the top front of the device empty for carrier branding.

  • Ohiwastedmylife

    Here is a promo video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_g9b9st6s4

    • Ohiwastedmylife

      why would you vote DOWN the actual promo video? You people are stupid. It may be in another language but it really shows the device off nicely.

  • nelson

    Those who said 440ppi is too much please don’t buy any phone with this resolution.


  • hgomes30

    That’s pretty sexy

  • Looks nice, just wish it had soft keys on that 5″ to make it more manageable along with a nice side-mounted power button for all that screen. Also bigger battery…

  • Adol

    nexus version + bigger battery = best phone of 2012.

    • michael arazan

      and hopefully the quadcore works fine on lte, yet to be seen.

      • thebruce44

        Those were the old tegras that had problems.

      • Adam Brandt

        why wouldn’t it, it’s the same Qualcomm S4 we all love just in a quad core design. The LTE isn’t onboard, but there’s no reason using it with a separate Qualcomm modem would have any problems. The Exynos never worked with LTE and it was never integrated so it had to be made to work with LTE. The S4 chipset has worked just fine with it all along, so there’s no reason simply going to 4 cores vs. 2 would be any problem what so ever

  • Gaurav

    This season nothing interested me more than this HTC X5, not even lumia or galaxy or iphone.

    • JoshGroff

      Not even the RAZR MAXX HD Dev edition? Blasphemy!

      In all seriousness though, the DIX will be incredible.

  • Ian

    Saw this on the front page and jizzed in my pants a little bit, to bad im not eligible for an upgrade till next August from Verizon…

    • JoshGroff

      Just think of all the shiny new phones that will be released next summer.

  • It’s cute when people get all excited about HTC devices and ignore the fact that every one has been a failure for the past 2 years.

    • John

      Are you dumb or dumb? HTC devices this whole year have been great just because you are a samtard does not mean HTC devices are bad.

      • That’s simply not true. From the multitasking issue nightmare, to their inconsistent product line, to phones that nobody bought on most carriers, it has been a terrible year for HTC. Check their financial.

        So instead of attacking people and calling names, you should do some research, “John”.

    • HTC Evo 3D, HTC One S, HTC One X and now One X+. all awesome phones

      • It’s cool that you think that, but consumers and the general public clearly don’t agree.

        Different screens throughout their line, some have removable batteries, some don’t. Some have sd card slots, some don’t. The multitasking issue – i’ll bring that up again…not sure how that was “awesome”. Use a different app, try to come back to the one you were just looking at 30 seconds ago and all of your info is gone…”awesome.

        And do you mean the EVO 3D or the EVO 4g LTE? That pretty much points out the flaw in their product line…unmemorable, undistinguishable phones.

        • Mike McAteer

          Just because Sprint forced them to brand every phone as an “EVO This” or “EVO” that, that’s not HTC’s fault. That’s just carrier branding. Rather than fight it and have a mile long name like the “Sprint Samsung Galaxy SII EPic 4G Touch”, they chose to go with it to help identify their line. But that WAS Sprint’s choice, not HTC’s.

          • FORCED? Link to an article discussing this forced branding.

            Confusing that the Sprint Apple iPhone 5, the Sprint Samsung Galaxy Nexus and the Sprint Samsung Galaxy S3 even exist with all of these choices that Sprint seems to be making for the OEMs, according to you.

            HTC said they were going to go with a unified line, and they…well, lied… You are defending their horrible business decisions for some reason but this is a company that simply can’t be defended…they are just horrible. I predict they fall to RIM like levels in 2013 in America.

    • ozo012

      The Rezound was arguably the most well-rounded Verizon phone released in mid-late 2011. Much better screen and camera than both the Razr and Galaxy Nexus. Battery life was pretty solid once some minor tinkering was done.

  • mendy817

    no on screen buttons? not my next phone. very disappointing.

    • bitch_please

      I’m more worried for that tiny battery.

    • JoshGroff

      Seriously…? I don’t know why people put such high value in on screen buttons. Yes they’re cool, but there’s nothing wrong with capacitive.

      • Because capacitive do not change as needed with the applications, and cannot be changed by the user. My GNex can have as many or as few buttons as I want, and I can turn the nav bar off if I want to use the whole screen.

    • palomosan

      Actually I like it since you get to use the whole screen.

      • 4n1m4L

        Unless its an old app.

    • DanWazz

      I have to agree. The phone is very nice looking and has great specs, but I love to customize my navigation keys. Hopefully this (or a variation of it) becomes a Nexus device.

    • This

    • 4n1m4L

      Its tragic really. All those pixels.. not to mention unless an app is updated with the action bar you’ll still get the 3 dot menu button at the bottom of the screen

  • jseah114

    It comes is red, so obviously it is going to come out on Verizon. 😛

    • JoshGroff

      AT&T has the red SIII. Exception to the rule. 😉

  • Zach

    Only a 2200mah battery. Ha!

    • Zach

      Plus, let’s be honest, the human eye will not be able to tell the difference with that screen size. I’m sure it will be gorgeous, but hasn’t it been proved that we can’t distinguish much over 300ppi anyway? Kind of overkill.

      • Anonymous

        meh it’ll look better than anything out there.. i’m all for it. Besides, on screen time sucks with pretty much any phone. just turn the brightness down and it’l be fine

      • LionStone

        You can’t distinguish much over 300ppi..but the Most Interesting Man in the World can, and that’s all that matters.

        • Mikey Styles

          Well the most interesting man in the world got POWND by Liam Neeson btw lmao. Ok no more Taken 2 jokes haha

          • JoshGroff

            That was such a good movie, not as good as the first though. (but what sequel is?)

          • @JoshGroff:disqus The Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight and The Godfather II ;-P

          • JoshGroff


          • @JoshGroff:disqus The Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight and The Godfather II ;-P

        • ckeegan

          So looking out of a window at the world is only 300ppi? I guarantee I can tell the difference between a picture of something on a 300ppi screen, and the same thing in real life.

          • Mike Petty

            It’s the actual depth of the objects (aka, why you have two eyes) that still makes the real world look better. That, and you’re brain feeling better about the lighting and shadows being cast, etc.

            But as far as resolution is concerned, 300ppi is about the maximum human limit. I have numerous real world objects that are perforated and marked in really high density from high end machining, and I can tell you that I can’t tell you the object spacing or what the object is until I get them close enough that they represent less than ~325ppi, and then I can distinguish features again. Anything more than that and it all just blurs together and I can’t tell one part from the other.

            Science has done a ton of tests on this, and it’s a fact.

            Extra fun fact: You’re peripheral vision actually can distinguish higher ppi because it doesn’t have as many cones (which sense color). So, you have higher clarity and better light sensitivity. If you’re having a hard time seeing something in the dark or making something out, look at it in your peripheral, and it will become clearer. You really only have good color vision right in the center of your vision; your brain just kind of “remembers” or guesses at the rest.

          • ckeegan

            By your argument, if you cut two 5″ holes in a wall and put a real painting behind one hole, and a 300ppi picture of the same painting (at the same distance, angle, etc) behind the other hole; humans would not be able to distinguish between the two.

            I beg to differ.

          • ckeegan

            By your argument, if you cut two 5″ holes in a wall and put a real painting behind one hole, and a 300ppi picture of the same painting (at the same distance, angle, etc) behind the other hole; humans would not be able to distinguish between the two.

            I beg to differ.

          • cleetose

            That’s not what he is saying at all.

          • ckeegan

            I realize that is not what he was saying, but he said that two eyes, lighting, and shadows are the reason they will never look the same.

            So, take two boxes, cut 5″ holes into each. Put a painting in one, and a 300ppi display with a picture of the same painting in the other. Light them identically, and you shouldn’t be able to see the difference.

            Again, I beg to differ.

          • cleetose

            You can never match the lighting because the screen gives off its own light. A better test would be having a 300 dpi screen in one hole and a 400 dpi screen in the other.

      • ckeegan

        I’m so sick of this argument. Unless this thing is the equivalent of looking out a 5 inch window on a clear day, the human eye is perfectly capable of distinguishing higher resolutions.

        • Mike Petty

          No, it’s not (see above response).

      • r0lct

        It’s been proven at some point that you can’t see pixels, not that you won’t notice a difference in quality. Seeing pixels isn’t the only measurement.

      • trob6969

        Why does people STILL buy into that Apple nonsense of “the human eye can only…”?! While it may be true that individual pixels cant be distinguished past a certain ppi, the human eye can DEFINITELY see a big difference in overall image detail and clarity the higher the ppi count goes.

    • summit1986

      Not even… 2020mAh

  • Tim Hardeman

    Not a fan of 90% of the styling choices on this phone… but my god that screen.

  • Dashing

    If you look closely on the back it says “with Google.”
    LG Nexus 4
    HTC Nexus 5?

    • Bill Mitchell

      Although this would be great, many of HTC’s other phones have also had the “with Google” text, like the original incredible.

    • Not only that, but it says Beats Audio. That wouldn’t come on stock Android.

    • Steve Douglas

      The thunderbolt also has “with Google” on the kickstand… doesn’t necessarily mean a nexus device…

  • Kind of a strange name for such an awesome device… I wonder if carriers would change it in the states.

  • andrew galvin

    This should have been the base for the new nexus (with smaller screen and bigger battery)

  • Make this a nexus and I will buy it.

  • Brian Walker

    Throw those specs on a platform with an unlockable bootloader and consistent updates and I’m on board.

    So basically a Nexus.

  • This will be my next phone. Unless we see a Verizon Nexus. Pray to the phone gods that someone can open up that bootloader. I need CM10 on here.

  • L.A.


  • Sam

    How did they manage to only fit a 2000 mah battery in a 5″ device…ridiculous.

    • This would be my ideal non-Nexus device if only it had that bigger battery. Choosing between this and the Note 2 now.

      • Justin Swanson

        My wife just got the Note 2. It’s pretty awesome…

        • yarrellray

          Software alone Samsung blows Htc away. It’s very essential people have options to swap out batteries, It’s essential that people have an opportunity to have expanded storage internal with sdcard storage options. Samsung leads in this space plain and simple. Another nugget people forget the Galaxy S3 has nfc installed in the battery that was changed in the note 2 where the nfc is now on the back door of the handset. Now people can purchase after market larger batteries if need be and still have nfc. Samsung pretty much thinks about everything.

          • mustbepbs

            You’ve certainly got a hard-on for Samsung, dontcha?

          • squiddy20

            “It’s very essential people have options to swap out batteries,” And yet, you only hear the fanatics screaming their heads off about removable batteries. “Very essential” my ass.
            “It’s essential that people have an opportunity to have expanded storage internal with sdcard storage options.” And yet, millions of people are doing just fine with their Galaxy Nexus, iPhone, One X, and just about any other phone without storage expansion.
            “Now people can purchase after market larger batteries if need be and still have nfc.” Yeah, cause NFC is soooo mainstream, everyone uses the it. -_-

          • speraider430

            You hit the nail right on the head. I think removable batteries have a place, but for the large majority of users the built in battery is fine. Seems like everyone on this site needs 4 batterys for their galaxy nexus, remember this is NOT the norm.

          • squiddy20

            I have a Galaxy Nexus with Sprint and I’ll admit, I picked up the slightly bigger 2100 mAh battery, but that was mostly because Sprint had a deal where you only had to pay S&H. I run my phone solely off that battery and haven’t swapped it out for the old one since I got the new one.

          • speraider430

            Yeah I just think it’s funny how people here forget they use their phone way above and beyond what the average person does.

          • yarrellray

            This squiddy20 guy is such a out liar it’s pitiful. Only on these sites does his trolling matter he’s been kicked out of xda developers site, phonearena, theverge, and various other sites. Pretty pitiful he is.

          • squiddy20

            “Only on these sites does his trolling matter he’s been kicked out of xda developers site, phonearena, theverge, and various other sites.”
            Yep, that explains why I just posted (to prove you wrong) on xda: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33043970#post33043970. Additionally, I’ve *never* commented on Phone Arena or The Verge so you’re most definitely lying about that.

            Also it’s spelled “outlier”. Pretty pitiful indeed that you insult me about being a “useless college boy”, and yet you can’t spell to save your life.

          • yarrellray

            Your pretty comical like you work for Samsung or Google. Those are jobs you will never obtain. Your opinion is based on what?? Stock android. I have been on both sides of the fence and I prefer Samsung touchwiz plain and simple better features stock is a waste. Battery life on your crappy cdma Sprint Galaxy Nexus is just as pitiful as the Verizon model and it matches it’s useless owner.. Samsung Galaxy Note 2 pimp slaps this…

          • squiddy20

            “I have been on both sides of the fence and I prefer Samsung touchwiz plain and simple” That’s right. YOU prefer bloated Touchwiz. YOU prefer Samsung. YOU prefer waiting for an update from the carrier/manufacturer instead of controlling it yourself with custom ROMs. Nothing more than opinion there. How stupid are you?
            “Those are jobs you will never obtain.” That’s also your (blatantly) unfounded opinion given the fact that you don’t even know my name, let alone work ethic or general interests. Any other “useless” insults you’d like to throw out there Dicky?

          • Butters619

            Did you just say ICS/JB TouchWiz > ICS/JB Sense?!

            You have lost your mind.

          • S2556

            they both suck

          • I have to agree with this. The GS3 is a no compromise device.

      • Yes, would be fun hearing peoples’ thoughts regarding this or the Note 2. The only real advantage this one seems to have is a better screen…

        • trob6969

          No way. The only thing the Note 2 has over thisphone is the swappable battery. Besides the obvious advantages this HTC phone has, it also has quad core AND 4G LTE. With the Note 2 you’of have to choose one feature or the other.

          • FAL_Fan

            The Note 2 has quad core and LTE…

          • trob6969

            Yeah, I got the Note 2 mixed up with the S3.

        • Paul

          And a much better processor and likely a much better camera since HTC phones tend to take amazing pics (phone wise). And it will be a phone that fits in a pocket…

    • With that large of a screen and that small of a battery, I’m also a little worried.

      • Glad to see 2GB of RAM instead of the often rumored 1.5 though.

      • HTC is notorious for putting puny batteries in their devices. Sadly it’s their one tragic flaw, of a bevy of otherwise beautiful devices.

        • I agree, that device is indeed beautiful.

        • trob6969

          Actually, the display on this phone is supposed to be twice as energy efficient than the other ones on the market right now and the quad-core processor it uses is supposed to be more efficient too. So the 2020 mah battery might just work out fine…we’ll see soon enough.

      • Mikey Styles

        SLCD3 is supposed to be Super Power Efficient over the previous SLCD
        screens & the S4 Pro in tow should help alleviate the barely 2000mAh
        battery, yet in still how people readily pop out their phones for just
        about everything a nice fail-safe(2500mAh+) would be nice. So ya this
        slightly worries me as well.

        • MichaelFranz

          Agreed, but why stop at 2020mah, why not try for a 2700mah and blow away your competition or keep up with phones called MAxx

        • Paul

          Hopefully the rumors of 2500mah on verizon’s version are true.

        • I stop looking for phones with less than 2500 mAh after i got my GSM galaxy nexus. My phone is indeed useful, plus i love the instant updates i get from Nexus phone. However, it is really annoying when you have to limit your usage on a phone just so that it can last for at least a day. This is why i have been looking at the Galaxy Note 2 with a 3100mah. The note 2 is indeed too pricey, and i am not quite confident in samsung’s quality. I have once enjoyed the premium customer service from HTC(i owned the Nexus one), but the started making boring design phones. This phone is beautiful, and the spec is impressive. However, why would you only put a 2020 mah battery? I understand the battery capacity does affect the phone’s thickness proportionally. However, i believe that customer would prefer a little bit of increase in thickness over the crappy experience of using a Beast phone that is always our of battery.

      • yarrellray

        We all should be worried not only on the battery mAh front but is the battery removable of course not. How much internal/sd card expansión is available?? How great is the overall software?? I wish Htc well cause if they do good people will have better options which at the end of the day that’s all that matters. Samsung provides the things people need on handsets. Samsung caters to it’s customers needs better than Htc and I owned the original Htc Evo 4g in 2010 and Htc Evo 3d in 2011 so if anything I know all about HTC. Samsung is the place to be.

        • Rob

          Did they run you off at AndroidandMe Richard?

          • chris125

            They must have lol

          • yarrellray

            @chris125..Are you and squiddy20 brothers??

          • squiddy20

            Yes. Just because we agree on something MUST mean we are “brothers”. What a fool.

          • yarrellray

            @Rob.. They would throw that troll squiddy20 of androidandme before they would kick me off. I don’t troll nor do I have to hide behind fake names such as the bum squiddy20 trolling here too. You guys are pretty comical

          • squiddy20

            “I don’t troll”
            And yet, I have a plethora of emails from Disqus saying “yarrellray has replied to your post on…”. I’ve even gotten 4 or five notifications within an hour or so, and you don’t call that “trolling”? You obviously don’t know what it means.

        • squiddy20

          1. “We all should be worried not only on the battery mAh front but is the battery removable of course not.” Well since that info has not been found out, do we know that for certain? Of course not.
          2. “How much internal/sd card expansión is available??” You obviously didn’t bother or can’t read the article. It says right there in the second paragraph “16GB internal storage … and a microSD card slot.” How blind are you?
          3. “How great is the overall software??” Like with all custom UI overlays, crappy.
          4. “Samsung provides the things people need on handsets.” Yeah, cause we definitely “need” pop up player, Smart Keyboard, S Voice, and the boatload of other gimmicks by Samsung.
          5. “I owned the original Htc Evo 4g in 2010 and Htc Evo 3d in 2011 so if anything I know all about HTC.” So you owned just 2 HTC devices, limited to Sprint, and that “magically” qualifies you to “know all about HTC”? What a joke. This coming from the idiot who, in the Android and Me review of the Evo 3D that he “wrote”, said that “all” apps could be removed from the phone, when in fact only the non-Sprint branded apps could be. Yeah, you sure do know a lot about HTC.

          • yarrellray

            You sound pretty jealous Mrs. Squiddy20 how’s that crappy 3g Galaxy Nexus working out on Sprint not to well I’m sure. You should’ve stayed with your crappy metropcs Samsung Moment. You poor soul trolling all over the Internet answering ever post of mines on any site. Your the biggest idiot on any site

          • squiddy20

            Jealous? Of what? What could you possibly have that I would want? Your “brilliant intellect”? How “in the know” you say you are when it comes to technology, despite being proved wrong almost every time? Your “pimp slapping” SGSIII on T-Mobile’s “HSPA+ 42 MPS” network (which is really spelled “mbps” and your actual speeds aren’t even a quarter of that)? The Note 2 you say you’ll be getting “day one” when I have a lot better things to spend my money on than *another* stupid phone? Yep, I’m like, so totally jealous of like, every crappy thing you’ve got. What a moron.

            Also, for someone who says he’s “in the know” when it comes to technology, but still says the Samsung Moment was on Metro PCS, you sure don’t know your tech.

        • trololo

          lol you stupid

          • yarrellray

            Yes he is stupid..

          • squiddy20

            Can’t you follow the conversation? He was calling you stupid you dumbass. That’s why there’s no “at squiddy20” or indented after one of my comments. Good lord you are so dumb.

        • Jackson

          That is true Samsung really listens note 1 they said not enough power so they added battery and quad core now lasts all day easily

          • yarrellray

            Yes Samsung has done a wonderful job here and most people hating can’t face the fact that Htc is not taking care of business.

      • r0lct

        I’m as worried that Sense apparently still looks like GB.

        • Butters619

          Sense 4.0 on the One X does not look like GB Sense, so not sure why you are worried.

          • r0lct

            Because the press shots for the phone look like GB.

          • It’s running Jelly Bean under the skin but for whatever reason HTC went with the Rhyme themed sense for the Japan version instead of the sense that’s running on the OneX

        • NemaCystX

          Sense in other regions sometimes looks different. for some reason, that is using the same Sense version as the HTC Rhyme, but even it had a different UI to choose from

      • CopierITGuy

        No need to worry, Kellen. They’ll release a MAXX-like variant in March. Oh, wait, that’s just Moto who does that…

        • At least they make a Maxx version

        • Alexander Garcia

          You jealous that only Moto knows how to make Maxx phones? Haha =P

      • Trevor

        Agree. 2000 mAh is great for the Razr M, but maybe not so much for a 5 inch, 1080p screen. Guess we’ll find out in time.

      • Alexander Garcia

        With so much processing power needed to drive all those gazillion pixels fueled with such a small battery, I’m actually very VERY worried.

    • BakerDude

      This guy gets it!

    • Chahk Noir

      I know! Come on HTC, make it 1mm thicker but give it a battery that will last longer than half a day.

    • tech247

      Maybe they found a way to make it sip juice and an astonishingly low rate…..

    • chris125

      It is HTC that is how, they are notorious for under powering their devices.

    • Steve Douglas

      Just a review of the LG optimus G (has the same S4 pro processor) . 20 hours of usage from a 2100mah battery. From Engadget’s review:

      Battery life on Qualcomm’s dual-core Snapdragon S4 devices is usually fantastic, and we’re happy to report this trend continues with the quad-core Snapdragon S4 Pro-equipped Optimus G. While all three versions have the same sealed 2,100mAh Li-polymer battery, we focused our attention on AT&T’s model since it’s the only one with an active LTE connection. Our standard battery rundown test involves setting the brightness and volume to half, using 4G in a 75 percent or better signal area, enabling GPS and WiFi (not connected) and disabling Bluetooth while looping a video from a full charge until the battery is drained. AT&T’s Optimus G ran for eight hours and 43 minutes; Sprint’s lasted seven hours and 53 minutes on 3G (LTE off); and our Korean phone kept going for eight hours and 40 minutes on 2G (LTE and HSPA+ disabled). In our moderate battery usage test, which consists of using a handset lightly from a full charge until it shuts down — emailing, texting, checking social networks, making a few brief calls, taking some pictures, etc. — all three review units went on for almost 20 hours. As such, we’re pretty sure most people will have no problems using the Optimus G for an entire day. Heavy users can use “Eco Mode,” a setting which extends battery life by dynamically switching between quad- and dual-core operation.

    • Alexander Garcia

      HTC’s Achilles heel… “Sense” and battery life. =/

  • HTC still owes me for buying the Thundercrap.. err I mean Thunderbolt.

    • So many memories with that Thunderbolt, none of them good. Oh, except maybe the first speed test. Then it was all down hill.

      • tesseract

        I have one good memory.


      • Mikey Styles

        I was forced onto it for all of a week with my old job & told’em- I can’t do this piece of junk lol. Gave me DX instead, many smiles even with no 4G.

      • yarrellray

        The Htc Thunderdud was a fake Htc Evo 4g knock off. But the one thing they both shared was very poor battery life. But the Htc Evo 4g ran rings around the Htc Thunderdud on Verizon. The original Htc Evo 4g was the granddaddy of all 4g device the very first 4g device back in 2010. That was one wonderful device something the Verizon Htc Thunderdud never was over one year later when it launched on Verizon. Another thing people better worry about is the Verizon bloatware that hurts handsets on that network. I am so glad I left Verizon in June they could care less about it’s customers or the lousy inconsistent Lte network they provide per handset.

        • squiddy20

          “The Htc Thunderdud was a fake Htc Evo 4g knock off.” Says the guy who supposedly “likes all things Android” and is “open about all devices”, but yet makes up silly childish names for phones and (now) talks crap anything that isn’t Samsung.
          “The original Htc Evo 4g was the granddaddy of all 4g device” If you consider Sprint’s Wimax, which topped out at no more than 5 mbps, “4G” sure.
          “Another thing people better worry about is the Verizon bloatware that hurts handsets on that network.” Which, with the advent of ICS, can be disabled by any user, root or not. It’s as simple as Settings>Apps>”All” tab, select app to be disabled, then hit the “Disable” button. Was that really so hard?

    • Destroythanet

      My old Thunderbolt does make for a solid WIFI hotspot, though. (If I can plug it in somewhere, that is lol).

    • Shoot, am I the only one who liked the Thunderbolt? I have to admit it was my first smartphone, but still. There were a lot of OTA troubles, but on the last few updates and/or Thundershed and Liquid roms, the battery life for me was very good. Now, that’s not to say the GS3 doesn’t blow it away….

      • KB26

        Compared to my Samsung Stratoscrap, when my mom upgrades to note 2, least i’m not close to my stratosphere, because I’m going to test drive my mom’s thunderbolt.

    • paulmike3

      Am I the only one that still uses a TB? *hides in corner*

      • No your not alone still got mine and i don’t really understand all the hate towards the Tbolt my battery life is just fine, and as far as getting Ota updates never concerned me personally as it wasn’t necessary for the device to function.

  • Captain_Doug

    do want (in black)

  • joejoe5709

    This should be the new “Nexus 5”. Get it? Nexus 7 and now a Nexus 5. Are you listening HTC/Google?

    • But then why a buy a Nexus 5 when you have a Nexus 7? ;D It’s like “upgrading” from Windows 98 to Windows 8, you’re just downgrading. 😉

      • JoshGroff

        Windows 8 actually isn’t half bad, I’m glad you can turn off the tile based display in favor of the normal win 7 desktop.

        • cleetose

          I’m pretty sure the winking smiley face means he was joking.

          • JoshGroff

            Oh no! I overlooked the winky face. *SMH*

  • L.A.


    I can’t wait for HTC’s phone!

  • This will be my next phone. Unless we see a Verizon Nexus. Pray to the phone gods that someone can open up that bootloader. I need CM10 on here.