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Android used to be the go to option for OEMs fleeing Windows Mobile in search of relevancy in the mobile space, but lately it seems that unless you’re Samsung or Apple you simply cannot make money in mobile. Samsung has been the only Android manufacturer to consistently make money quarter after quarter for the past year. Motorola’s profits plummeted quarter after quarter until Google bought the entire company. HTC has managed to sell a sizable number of devices, but has fallen from being the top Android manufacturer to an equal of LG and Sony. While no Android OEMs pay Google to use Android, most pay Microsoft licensing fees. What is making Samsung successful while other OEMs continue to struggle?ย 

Samsung has built up the Galaxy brand over the past three years to make their products stand out from the crowd. From the Galaxy S, SII, and SIII to the sundry Galaxy Tabs, Samsung has built up their own brand of Android devices that consumers recognize and look forward to. While every other manufacturer announced their products at Mobile World Congress this year, Samsung held their own event for the Galaxy S III to ensure that they were the center of attention and built up their own hype for their products, not just new products in general.

HTC and Sony, on the other hand, released their new One and Xperia series alongside a myriad of other products from other companies, which pushed the media to compare each product against each other instead of reviewing them on their own merits. While HTC was the clear winner of the show, their ad campaign was minuscule. Much, much more importantly, the One X and One S were only available on AT&T and T-Mobile, respectively.

One thing that Samsung has been able to do since the original Galaxy S has been to make it available everywhere. The Galaxy S, SII, and SIII have all been available in various incarnations on every carrier, even in the United States. Because of this, Samsung has been able to consolidate advertising and build its own brand without having to focus on one subset of the American consumer. While Samsung’s first success, the Galaxy S, went by different names on different carriers, they were able to generalize the Captivate, Fascinate, Continuum, Vibrant, Stratosphere, and Epic 4G under the Galaxy brand.

Meanwhile, Motorola, HTC, Sony, and LG have been releasing one-off devices for each carrier. This limited availability doesn’t help build brand awareness across carriers and regions. Sure, Motorola is almost exclusively the holder of the DROID brand (with an intrusion from HTC and Samsung from time to time), but the only brand that they tried to really expand was wasted with a Verizon exclusive.

Imagine if the RAZR hadn’t existed as the RAZR, and instead Motorola released the RAZR MAXX as the RAZR on all four carriers. Between 4G connectivity on the applicable carriers, insane battery life, and a popular name, Motorola could have had a hit on their hands. The RAZR brand is still a popular name to consumers. It seems as though almost everyone had one. Being able to rely on a brand that people already know and like makes selling your product so much easier. Had Motorola sold the product on every carrier they may have still had crazy murderous DROID advertisements, but Motorola could have made their own advertisement to remind people of the first RAZR to sell the new generation.

What if HTC had released the One X on every carrier with the same name and design and skipped the One S and One V? With one product everywhere, advertising is clear because you don’t have to sell a specific version of a product, you just sell the one product. Show what the phone can do and tell people they can get it on their carrier.

Samsung doesn’t have to be the only Android manufacturer making money on Android. HTC, Motorola, Sony, and others can certainly break into the market, but it’s going to take one flagship device on every carrier that is heavily pushed by every carrier. Building up that kind of a relationship with a carrier takes time and money, but I would rather see more Android OEMs winning in the mobile space with one device instead of them releasing multiple devices on random carriers and hoping a subset of the population buys them. I understand that it’s hard work to make those deals, but that’s what needs to get done for these manufacturers to stay in the game. I’m hoping that companies like HTC and Motorola make a comeback; I’m tired of Apple versus Samsung.

Following yesterday’s verdict, I saw a lot of chatter on Twitter advising OEMs to take a look at Android because Samsung was ruled to have copied Apple and violated their patents and trade dress. The problem is, TouchWiz and Android are not the same thing (thank goodness!). Even more importantly, Windows Phone still has the same major issues with notifications, lack of apps, and multitasking that I outlined months ago. I still believe that OEMs should be using Android to push their way into the market, but they need to be much more aggressive with the carriers by pushing one product across the board. HTC did this once before with the Touch Pro2; it is not an impossible task. Now is not the time for Android OEMs to look at a platform that cannot multitask well, has a terrible notification system, and a horrible app ecosystem. Now is the time for Android OEMs to get their best devices everywhere so that people can actually buy them.

  • paul_cus

    Really great article.

  • perfectalpha

    This is the most sensible article I’ve read in a long time. Advice I’ve been giving for years as well.

  • ABerry5

    good point.. stating the obvious, but bringing noobs up to speed (seems like DL is trying to attract this type of reader these days) but I’ll also add that the SIII is so popular now despite being high end thus high end price because those typically in the low to medium end phones have gone through the cycle and understand that a phone is like a computer.. next time they renew and see that free android phone, they know the SIII is $199 for a reason.. I believe even the cheapest people are recognizing that the high priced phones don’t just have a better camera, or sharper screen… they have faster SoC’s and more memory

  • Only problem I have with the argument that blames Touchwiz for Apple’s wrath is the fact they are also going after the Galaxy Nexus as a “copycat” device. The sad fact is that Android as a whole right now is in Apple’s cross-hairs and I don’t see the current lawsuit happy environment improving anytime soon =/

    • The article wasn’t focused on the lawsuit. Appeals haven’t even started yet, so we don’t really know the full repercussions of the lawsuit. The Nexus S was in this lawsuit (the Galaxy Nexus is in another one) and was found to infringe on a number of patents, but there are some patents (like the bounce back patent) that it definitely doesn’t infringe on. Until the appeals are finished we really won’t know what the lawsuit will change and by then no one will care about the Nexus S.

  • Hothfox

    Am I just stupid, or does anyone else not get the link between the title, picture, and article?

  • michael o’brien

    This is how I look at Samsung, and what they are doing. They have focused on releasing flagship devices. They do not release 20 different devices. That is the similar to what Apple is doing. Apple releases “1” device a year. That puts all of the focus on that single device. If Apple had 5 different devices that were “tiered” they would not be as strong as they are now. That has been the major fault for all of the different OEM’s. They have essentially lost their identity.

    • PSU_DI

      This isn’t really true, Samsung has a myriad of devices flooded on the market right now, a cross the entire price spectrum. Per Samsung’s own website they have 33 Android phones available/for sale to the customers of the 4 big US Carries, that number doesn’t include tablets, or Media players.

      It’s strictly the fact that Samsung has almost exclusively advertised the Galaxy Line of devices as high end devices, and they actually point out what it can do in the commercials that has made nobody other than the people looking for a bargain realize that they make cheaper phones.

      The only way for companies like HTC & Motorola to recapture the mobile space is to design really good hardware, launch 1 line of high end phones per year across the carriers and also silently release a line of budget friendly devices, no PR event is needed for them. Then blitz the media with marketing of that high end line. Also it wouldn’t be too shabby to have them continue to the trend to minimize there “Skins” into an already stellar JellyBean.

      For me the only reason I own a Samsung phone is because it’s a Nexus, but I also notice that I tell friends and family to by the SII or SIII over other phones, mainly, because Samsung has done a good job keeping them up to date and I also feel that HTC lost their focus when they added Beats Audio & the fact that moto phones seem always to be out of date.

  • Kenneth Hung

    I agree whole heartedly. Another thing to consider regarding what makes Apple and to a lesser extent, Samsung so successful in the mobile market is the accessories market. Cases, docks, batteries, etc. There’s a HUGE market for the GS III because there’s a single product that is selling everywhere. The Droid Incredible that I came from, while a great phone, had almost know accessories.

  • Totally thought this article was about twrp, clockwork, stock, RECOVERY, etc…oops

  • LordStickMax

    I totally agree. Far too many devices last year and no advertising. They figured out the razr Max was a win and advertised the hell out of it. The problem was the bridges were burned with the Droid X2, Droid 3, bionic, razr, Droid 4. All in one year! While Samsung had the nexus and the galaxy S series.

  • RoninX

    The ironic part of Apple’s legal victory over Samsung is that the biggest beneficiaries may be Motorola and HTC. In the worst case, Apple gets an injunction on all of the phones listed in the lawsuit (S2, Note, etc.) and is also able to get a fast-track injunction on newer phones (S3, Galaxy Nexus, etc.) through the ITC.

    But people who were planning to get an S2, S3, Note, or Nexus aren’t likely to buy iPhones. Instead, they’ll buy other Android phones, most likely from Motorola and HTC. That could drastically change the landscape in terms of profits for both companies.

    Motorola’s made a lot of missteps in the past — from laggy versions of Motoblur to locked bootloaders to too many mediocre phones in general — but they’ve been moving the right direction ever since Google acquired them. Not-Blur has been getting better and more like vanilla over the past few years, and with ICS, it’s smooth and fast. I’d like to see it go away completely, and maybe that’ll happen under Googerola. Moto has finally moved toward unlocked bootloaders with the Photon Q, and hopefully this will extend this to more of their phones. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Motorola has decided to go for quality rather than quantity, get rid of their low-end devices, and focus on a small number of high-end models every year.

    Meanwhile, HTC has made a 180-degree turnaround from their previous reputation for flooding the market with nearly identical, and often mediocre, devices. The One X and One S have received universally positive reviews and, in contrast to their much-ridiculed Beats Audio partnership, has gained the company respect from both reviewers and customers.

  • Murphy

    I agree.

  • jdrch

    Good points, but it’s more than a marketing problem. Samsung is crushing the competition on on-paper specs too. It’s ridiculous that the US One X isn’t a 4G LTE device and doesn’t have a user removable battery. It’s ridiculous that Moto’s only just launching the RAZR HD after the 720p Galaxy Nexus has been on the market since last year. The GS3 destroys the competition in every spec category, which makes it a lot easier for carriers to market/sell.

  • Stevedub40

    Very nice article Ron, I really enjoyed reading it and I agree with you 100%. What would be better is if each OEM – for their one phone – released Nexus device available on all carriers. I think the Nexus line is beginning to pick up momentum and would be a success if done so.

  • chris125

    I agree. WP is not a real money maker atm. I mean other than nokia( which even their devices aren’t selling all that well) people just aren’t buying wp. The OEM’s need to get a backbone like samsung did and have 1 exact phone on every carrier. None of this half ass variant bs like htc is doing. Hopefully lg will step up with their latest quad core phone and get it on all carriers.

    • smwandrie93

      they wont send it to Verizon, thats for damn sure, they are only saying as of right now that only sprint will be getting that phone…blows!!!

      • chris125

        Well if you remember a while back it was reported on droid-life that a very similar phone was going to come to verizon. Not sure if it still is on track or not but I would assume so. Verizon seems to get most lg devices

  • jcorf

    One phone released per cycle per manufacturer on every carrier would be the least confusing for the average consumer.

  • BlowmeVerizon

    So the moral of the story is that the carriers are the enemy of innovation and quality. Apple successfully bitch-slapped the carriers (no bloat) and took over the world. Samsung’s most successful product, the SGS III, had less carrier influence than any non-Apple device. And look, a singular product recognizable as an SGS III regardless of carrier. The carriers are the enemy.

  • I couldn’t agree with you more.

    I think HTC makes superior phones but for the reasons you mention they just don’t capture that much of the market.

    Look at the Sensation. Such an amazing device. Mostly metal and you can break rocks with that screen. One of the best built phones. But didnt sell that well.

    Personally I’ve stayed away from Samsung as I always felt their UI was too iPhoney.

    Now I own a One X. Such a great device and such a great display.

    What they don’t tell you in reviews of the SGSIII is just how yellow it’s screen is. Have a look here:

    Hope the Android market becomes better shared between the different manufacturers.

  • The person who wrote this isnt the brightest, and didnt understand the patents at play….Apple sued Samsung for things that are common in all versions of android..vanilla or not, most patents in this case can be asserted against all Android OEM’s. This is not uniquw to touchwiz. With possible injuctions by Apple, or a Apple Tax, With everyone with the exception of MOTO paying the microsoft tax…. Windows Phone does seem like an attractive idea…And comparing windows 7.5 to a somewhat mature(stolen) software like android is irrelevant and will improve over time…like android..but without the blatant copying and disregarding people patents

    • I’m sorry I didn’t meet your intelligence standards. Apple’s lawsuit against Samsung may set precedence for future litigation against other Android OEMs, but to my knowledge Apple isn’t using many of the same patent claims in its case against HTC (the Motorola case was thrown out, for now…). Regardless, they haven’t even begun the appeals process, so there’s no telling what the real outcome of the case will be. If you think Windows Phone is an attractive alternative for OEMs then you don’t understand how the mobile market is working right now. No one is making money on Windows Phones at all. They are still behind Blackberry at this point. Windows Phone simply isn’t a competitive, compelling product at this point. I hope Windows Phone will improve, but right now it simply isn’t competitive.

    • La2da

      I don’t think you’re the brightest either, buddy. You’re rambling post made little sense.

  • mortiz1978

    Google has too make the change too not have phones in certain carriers n have them in all like Samsung etc!!!!

  • Tazzy197832

    Google has too make the change too not have phones in certain carriers n have them in all like Samsung etc!!!!

  • Kal5El

    I hate reading opinion pieces. So if you guys want to talk about recovery, let’s talk.
    CWMR used to annoy me before touch because of the scroll issue, but I was familiar with the recovery from my OG Droid. Now that I’ve flashed touch CWMR, the only real issue I have with it is that I’m pretty sure that fix permissions does nothing. If I press it, it says done, but it does it instantly. ClockworkMod takes way longer to fix permissions in the app. And that’s after fixing in recovery.
    TWRP is what I turned to when it started to get popular, and I was getting tired of CWMR’s scrolling issues. I liked its options and the touch interface and queueing of flashable zips, but after using it several times I found that it wasn’t doing things properly. I switched to other recoveries, and found the problems were gone. Now, I’m not sure what the version number was of TWRP that I was using, I just know that I tried it and it failed to do what I asked. So now I’m back on CWMR, which has some minor issues, but at least does most of what I tell it to. Anyone else have something to say about recoveries? A recovery that doesn’t get enough attention, maybe?

  • anon

    Samsung has the weight to push the providers the others do not, sadly. Consumers have never liked exclusivity of a product. Cant get item A without going to place B. It has always hurt the market in general while a choice few profit. But as some would say that’s business. Intelligence and logic rarely come into play.

    • The thing is, when Samsung got all their Galaxy S variants on every carrier they weren’t a big player in next generation mobile yet. Their Android phones up to that point had not been very successful. After the Galaxy S and SII Samsung had the weight to demand more. A company like HTC might not be able to get identical hardware and devices names on every carrier, but they should definitely be able to get one device everywhere like they did with the Touch Pro2.

  • UrDoGG

    Great read, Ron. I love articles like this, and I totally agree with what you are saying about coming out with the same device on all carriers. However, I wish that HTC, Samsung, Sony, and Moto would come out with two devices per year – a device that can be possibly skinned and then a stock phone (doesn’t have to be a Nexus).
    Moreover, I think the biggest problem that Android is facing is dealing with carriers. Let’s be honest, they are pretty much screwing everything up with the own branding. Although I give credit to Verizon with the original Droid ad campaign and popularizing Android in general, they need to give it a rest.

  • usmitcboy

    1st things 1st: Ron, please post more often. I freaking get ecstatic when I see a new post from you b/c I can guarantee that I’ll be reading common sense.

    This article should be sent to all the manufacturers. I don’t understand how a company with a smart & expensive marketing team(s) could not have seen that all these years were the wrong way to do it. It doesn’t take a mathematician or scientist to understand that 20-25 mediocre devices across 6 or 7 carriers will not beat 2 or 3 great devices across those same 6 or 7 carriers. Branding! Branding! Branding! People, it’s very simple!!! They all have a brand: HTC One series, Sony Xperia, Motorola Razr, LG Spectrum, etc. Samsung is the 1st Android manufacturer to figure it out: The carriers can be bent!

    The perfect pace to me: Have 1 midrange & 1 high-end phone released every 9 months on every carrier possible. 9 months gives 1. a company plenty of time to have technology increase enough to warrant a new device, 2. an identity with the public so that they’ve seen your brand for an extended period of time, 3. gives you a solid release schedule so that the media can create a buzz around your product months in advance, and 4. your consumers enough time with the current devices that they don’t feel like they should wait 2 or 3 months for the “next big thing”.

    The iPhone 5 buzz came out right after the iPhone 4s announcement. That was almost a year ago. Apple has shown you the door to making profits! Use it! The only phone that has been successful on a single carrier has been the iPhone & even then Apple knew it would have to spread it to every other carrier before an Android phone maker (cough, Samsung, cough) beat it to the punch & crippled Apple in those markets.

    To me, it was a no-brainer to get the SGS3. It would have quality parts/software and the rooting community would be all over all the versions to get them updates. & don’t get me started on the universal accessories. That’s just even more money in the waiting for them.

    • sport

      I agree, it’s a excellent article and should be read by all phone manufacturers. My question is, is it the manufacturers or the carriers that mandate all the various nameplates on these things? Do the carriers want phones that distinguish them from other carriers? ‘I know T-Mobile has the same phone, but I want OURS called the ‘Sunset”?? I wonder how much carriers have influence over this.

  • I choose an Android device based solely on specs and which one will have the greatest community development. Lately, since Motorola and HTC are a$$holes about encrypting their phones, I’ve been choosing Samsung. I’m not the only one either. Even with the unlock tool HTC has provided, have you ever tried ROMing the EVO 3D? It’s a headache, especially dealing with kernels and recoveries and what not. I’ll stick with Samsung for now. They know what’s up.

  • Dw_astor

    3 things.

    DROID is a VZW brand licensed from Lucas, not Moto’s. Moto has no right to use it anywhere, even in the US (and they don’t; all DROID branded phones released outside the US have abbreviated or completely different names)

    Sammy is vertical in manufacturing, none of the others are (at least not completely). Hence better deals with carriers cause they can subsidize further with deeper margins on the cost side when approaching carriers.

    you’re assuming that OEMs get to choose what names go on the phones in the US, or for that matter, which phones (and particular SKUs even). They don’t. OEMs have sales meets with the carriers and bring a collection of protos and concepts in slides, present to the carriers, and the carriers tell OEMs what to make and what to call them. The big two even have say on actual hardware and software design elements.

    Sammy wins cause they can afford it due to their verticals. The profit from all the low end feature phones they sell in developing countries/markets help as well.

    • I am well aware of that fact that Droid is licensed by Lucas to Verizon. I said that Motorola should have expanded the RAZR brand beyond Verizon in the US.

      You’re right that Samsung is sometimes able to leverage better deals with consumers because they control more of the manufacturing and parts than most OEMs, but that doesn’t stop HTC or Motorola from putting all of their weight behind one product.

      I am not assuming that OEMs get to choose the names; obviously they don’t. That is why I have said over and over again that Google and the OEMs need to fight back against the carriers for more control, including branding control.

      • Dw_astor

        VZW exclusivity and branding is a result of the way the mobile industry is structured in North America. The rest of the world don’t have this issue. The system needs to be changed, or until Moto gets the same kind of leverage Apple or Samsung commands. Just like HTC, they won’t in the near future. Mobile is Moto’s only business outside cable boxes, CB, and PA systems etc. But better VZW than any other. That’s why we’re on this site and not other sites like TMo news after all. Though they did try with the compromised Atrix and Photon lines on ATT and Sprint.

        Oversea Android RAZRs did relatively well in EMEA like Germany and Asia Pacific countries, and the MAXX has been selling well in Brazil, the EU (Spain, France, etc.), and Great Britain.

        Moto and HTC have no leverage to put their weight behind after losing money the past few quarters. Samsung has the best cost structure in mobile, outside LG and Chinese companies like Huawei and ZTE. These are all completely vertical companies. The only other companies close or capable like Sony started too late and is too Asia-centric. And Panasonic, who failed in the 90’s in the US due to internal cultural issues and complacency, and shied away from even trying when Android rolled around and now is even further behind Sony.

        As for Google, they’ve experimented with the idea of meddling with the service provider sides of multiple industries. Some with success, others not so much. They’ll sit it out, or until Android gets 70%+ market share perhaps.

  • WickedToby741

    I hope with Google at the helm Motorola seriously reevaluates their strategy. They need to launch a new RAZR (just the RAZR) and launch it on all carriers with minimal alterations to the skin and sell it with an unlocked bootloader. No more DROID on Verizon, Atrix on AT&T, and Photon on Sprint. Just one RAZR that is universally recognizable to consumers.

    • staticx57

      You mean turn the RAZR into the old RAZR line which was junk. That is why it died.

      • are you stupid? that phone was the best selling phone of all time in history even till today! so junk or not, it died holding and still holding the title

  • Knlegend1

    Almost didn’t read this lol great read. This is true I can’t argue against none of the points. Something I’ve been saying for awhile now.

  • +1 On everthing you touched on!

  • Sobr0801

    Windows phone for me.

  • MikeSaver

    I agree. COMPLETELY. Androids biggest issue is marketing and branding. You’ve laid out a great plan to fix that.

  • Jroc869, Cool story bro

    All other OEMS need to quit trying to make too many high end devices. Samsung makes some low/mid end devices but their flagship Galaxy S line is the star. They also have the note which is more of a niche device but the main focus are the Galaxy S phones. Sony can do this with their Xperia phones and I think if HTC goes all out with their ONE X series that would work out perfect. Moto should just build off of their RAZR line. They need to quit putting phones out so fast. Thats just my opinion.

  • Me!

    Too much mid range and dilluted product. Although Samsung has too many models, their top tier phones generally find themselves on more than just one carrier unlike HTC and Motorola. I have the GS3… I would have rather had the OneX, but wasn’t going to wait months for Verizon to get something nor switch for it. It seems like the carrier customization is becoming a hassel in that something always feels left off. Samsung seems a lot more consistent. That being said….. I want the new HTC 5″ phone coming out, so feel free to mail me one. I’ll gladly send you my GS3 in return.

  • Release two phones per year, a beginning of summer release and a release in time for the holidays. Make sure that the phones that are being released have reasonably bleeding-edge specs on release day. Provide timely updates to these phones, regardless of the upgrade path that must take place. If it needs to be done through the carrier, be on the carrier’s ass to get the updates pushed through them if they’re sitting on them. Let the public know when the update has been delivered to the carrier so that the customer base can see that the carrier is the issue, not the manufacturer. Provide developer options for those that wish to dig deeper into their devices, without forcing the customer to completely sacrifice their warranty to do so. Where carriers do not permit this, make it known that the carrier is the barrier.


  • El Big CHRIS

    Great points Ron. I agree with you, I as well, cannot understand why OEM’s don’t focus their entire efforts to come up with an awesome phone (some have, i.e. One X) and market the hell of it and have it on every carrier. But they decide to have an awesome phone on a mediocre carrier and an a very crappy version of the same phone on a substantially superior carrier. But why’d you title it Android Recovery? I was expecting an article about the positives or negatives of different recoveries lol

  • JetBlue

    I hold Sony and HTC to a way higher point than I do LG since the only phones they make good are feature phones.

  • Alexander Garcia

    Awesome article Ron. You’ve completely read my thoughts and conveyed them on this piece. Thanks for the much delightful read. Cheers. =)

  • FknTwizted

    I have been barking this point for years, that and fewer yet better devices… this blitzkrieg mentality is going to be the end of android since there is no common ground. You have quality and trash mixed in and consumers do not get the same experience across the board and I think that is why people move toward apple products because they can pick up any apple device and not miss a beat.

    • CapnShiner

      Apple makes products for stupid people. They keep their products so simple that customers don’t have to think about what to buy. There is only one iPhone unless you count colors and older models. With Android, there are so many different models to choose from that people have to use their brains and decide which one is best for them. With Apple, the company tells you what is best for you and then charges you more for the privilege.

      • JB

        Unfortunately this is the lion’s share of the market. That’s why WiMo and PalmOS devices didn’t find the same sort of universal acceptance that the iphone got. People want to do as little work as possible for as much gain as possible and that’s what Apple charges an arm and a leg for. Those stupid people are the ones that have made Apple a success and HTC/Moto into failures. Android can’t afford to continue confusing them with choices.

        • CapnShiner

          Sad but true.

        • cphilano

          I am not an Apple fan, but I do think that is the beauty of their iOS platform. The phone gets out of the way! It takes little effort or work for as much gain as possible. They made complex simple, and that is going to always win big fans. I think the manufacturers have to start trusting in their hardware to differentiate their products again. Get more vanilla devices out there so that we don’t have so many confusing choices. Unlock the bootloader, and if the consumer wants a more customizable manufacturer themed UI then offer a download for that as opposed to forcing it down their throats.

          • Stupid to hate on apple. They at least have quality control. We need to worry about making android better

          • I mean that in a hardware sense…. I like android software better as is….except for the skins

      • MonkeyWork

        I comment here, so I’m obviously an Android fan, but why say ‘stupid’? Most products work like this. Would you buy the best new car out there if you needed to take driving classes again to be able get to work?

        I root and rom my phone, but I should be able to pick up any Android phone and just use it if I want to without thinking at all.

        • CapnShiner

          You misunderstood me. I was talking about purchasing decisions and hardware only.

  • CapnShiner

    I say forget the midrange. Focus on flagship devices. The midrange will be filled in with the flagship that came before. This will allow OEMs to focus more on each device because they only have one at a time to worry about. They can keep the midrange fresh by releasing software updates faster for them. They can also release the same device on all carriers, like the GS3, to streamline the brand and the production. Samsung has the right idea. That’s why they are on top. They just messed up by making TouchWiz too much like iOS.

    • New_Guy

      Such good points right there. Samsungs ONLY mistake was not having confidence enough to not make touch wiz look like iOS. Still hands down the best OEM.

    • 4n1m4L

      It would be nice to see the top of the line companies focus on top of the line devices, then focus on spreading them to all carriers

    • Good points but honestly, all the features Touch Wiz brought to the table are now in Android, such as the hot seat, the icons, etc but Apple knows they can’t take on Google because Google would hang them out to dry so to speak lol. I wish they would allow all devices on every carrier because I see lots of AT&T phones that would be nice but I’ve had a bad experience with AT&T so it’s not worth switching just to get a device that is top dog now. Just imagine if Verizon had the HTC One X or the Atrix HD. They would be selling them by the truck loads!
      P.S. I hope the acquisition of Motorola by Google helps my Droid Razr get an official Jelly Bean update!

  • BigChuck

    Just my 2ยข about Motorola… and I’m a 20 year Motorola die hard… they boned us… they screwed us all over by getting lost in there own big dreams and not listening to the customer who made them… they released the original droid as an open platform root/unlock device and shook up the world… then they got all cocky and decided they were gonna tell us what we could have and that’s that… stupid, stupid people over there acting like they got it all figured out while the ship is sinking… dummies

    • Yeah, no kidding.

    • MOTOtime

      Motorola is going through a HUGE change after being bought by Google (which officially only happened a few months ago). They are cleaning hose, they have a new outlook. Don’t give up on them yet. Be mindful, however, that it takes time to change a Multi-Billion dollar company.

      • mototime2


      • Stewie

        Too Much to forgive, too late, too bad, gone.

        • Really? It’s not an old girlfriend, they make phones. If they come out with another great set, or unlock the ones they have, wouldn’t you buy? I still love my original droid, but have only had HTC and Sammy since.

        • digitalicecream

          Tell me you’ve never gone back to buy a brand that you thought was dead and now is making a good product. Levi’s for example?

          • Comparing a cellphone company to a clothing company is dumb. Motorola offered the same exact device with two battery options. That’s like Levi’s offering jeans with or without pockets. They both look the same but one has the feature it should have come with. I got shafted by Motorola on the Droid Razr all because they happened to realize they could add a bigger battery. I had an OG droid and was happy with it but I am better off with my Galaxy Nexus. Not going back to Moto.

          • JoshGroff

            Try more like jeans with or without back pockets, but the front pockets still existed in both pairs. (obviously the RAZR still had a battery, so the first pair of jeans must have 2 front pockets)

            Also, while we’re at it, I think 2 pockets are enough, I rarely ever use my back pocket unless my N7 is sitting in my front pocket in which case I use the back for my wallet (as my phone is in the other front pocket.) I know it’s a a really bad analogy, but what I’m trying to say is, not everyone cared about the extra battery in the MAXX because the RAZR had enough juice. (Those that cared enough could’ve probably swapped up with the $100 extra with enough complaining to VZW customer service.)

          • nwd1911

            Anyone who is “stuck” with a RAZR and got “shafted” by Motorola simply wasn’t paying attention to their options. The RAZR MAXX was announced within the window to return the original RAZR. The only thing you got “shafted” out of was $35, which I’m sure every RAZR owner would be willing to pay to get a MAXX. Stop being mad because you didn’t exercise your options (not you specifically JoshGroff).

          • JoshGroff

            And it’s not hard to get them to waive the restocking fee, I had them do it when i returned the Stratosphere (wasn’t a big fan of the keyboard, then again I had it for a whole two days.)

        • balthuszar

          they are the same company in name only…give it some time…they’ll turn around and pull their heads out of their asses…but…you have fun with your samsung ipho…i mean gsIII

      • They’re working on it but it’s going to take a while! But the acquisition of Motorola by Google has been giving me mixed feeling. On one side I feel that my Droid Razr might actually get a chance at future updates to Jelly Bean and a possible unlocked bootloader but at the same time Google has repeatedly said that Motorola will operate as they normally would. So should we be hopeful of better software support from motorola or what?

    • brando56894

      I think I may come back to Moto when the time comes to buy a new phone since after my OG Droid I’ve had two HTC phones (the Incredible [which was, well, incredible] and the Rezound [which is nice but doesn’t really have a huge dev community and I’ve had problems with two of them that i’ve had]) and it’s time to try something different (or the same if I go back to Moto). Either way my next phone is most likely going to be a Nexus device.

      • I went through 3 Thunderbolts and 2 Rezounds until Verizon finally sent a CLN Droid Razr and I must say I am extremely happy with it! All of my HTC phones had horrible problems such as random reboots, failure to connect to data, bad signal, etc and I finally decided to jump ship to Motorola! And hopefully since the acquisition maybe the Droid Razr will have a chance at seeing an official OTA Jelly Bean update ๐Ÿ™‚

      • ABerry5

        i’m an OG to DX to TB guy and there was going to be no debate, the first nexus phone that was either released on verizon or could be run on verizon would be in my hands day one.. well I got the gnex in Jan but I could never look back… I’ll admit I had 3G to LTE switchoff issues for the first few months, but following the march leaked radios it ceased, now days I completely forget that I ever had handoff or LTE drop issues.. while I can’t say samsung radios are equal (judging from people here who take a razr and gnex side by side and compare dbms) I can say it is a non issue.. sort of like comparing a high end 50″ samsung tv to a high end 50″ lg tv, sure in the store you see the difference, but at home by itself all you see is awesomeness

        that and I was never a ROM guy, but when 4.0.4 took forever I jumped in, now I can’t live without AOKP, I had no idea how crucial some of these ROM control features were.. so crucial in fact I feel stock 4.1 feels ‘locked down, and uncustomizable’ LOL

    • digitalicecream

      Apple is doing the same to those who purchase their stuff, do you want to know the difference? The difference is you. You bought a phone, you want it to be more than that, iPeople buy apple’s devices because they see only what apple is selling to them as consumers. Congratulations for thinking as a developer and not a consumer.

    • Luxferro

      That wasn’t all motorola, that was Verizon. They were the ones talking about their new Openness, and not meddling with the software. The OG Droid was a success, then they went back to their old ways of dictating to manufacturers.

    • feztheforeigner

      Right now, it seems Apple is the only one able to tell customers what they want for them and get away with it.

      It works for Apple (I guess), but definitely not for Motorola…

  • I’m confused… what does this have to do with Android Recovery/

    • Yes, I clicked the title expecting perhaps a comparison of 4ext, TWRP, CWM, and whatnot, or perhaps a personal story of an experience with a recovery, but not this…

      I think I get it, it’s supposed to be “How can Android recover?” in reference to the trial, but given that “Android Recovery” means something else, too, perhaps not the best title (especially with the CWM picture up top).

    • FknTwizted

      Its a play on words bro.

    • Alexander Garcia

      I’m sure he’s referring to how Android OEMs (particularly HTC and Moto) can “recover” from their slowly approaching demise caused by Apple vs Samsung.

    • I get it now. I guess what threw me off was the picture of CWM…lol

  • Michael Forte

    Wrong title perhaps?

    • Unless its a play on words, referring to a way to for these OEMs to ‘recover’ through android. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Drummer62

      Yea, maybe “Androids Recovery” would be better?

      • tyguy829

        Android’s Recovery* But yeah I agree

    • CapnShiner

      I think he was trying to be clever. I guess it wasn’t obvious enough and the photo didn’t help.

      • I’ll try harder next time.

        • JoshGroff

          Now it all makes sense.

  • Drummer62

    I couldn’t agree more. Make your best phone possible and get it out on all US carriers at the same time with no changes to the look on each carrier. Keep them exactly the same just like the SG3 was and stop releasing minor incremental updated phones every month!