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Share Everything Plans Mean Sharing More of Your Bank Account [Opinion]

This weekend, I was fortunate enough to spend a ton of time with a big group of friends and family (30-50 people) thanks to a graduation celebration for my brother. During that time, smartphones and wireless service were brought up quite often (since that’s what I do for a living), leading to some interesting conversations around Verizon’s new Share Everything plans. What I gathered over the last 4 days, was that these plans benefit very few people, and that no one I talked to had suggested to Verizon that this become an option, as was suggested through their announcement. 

Family and Friends

This group of friends and family that was in Portland for the weekend is what I would consider to be average tech consumers. Almost all have some form of higher education, many have smartphones, some have feature phones, a few travel for work, most use computers on a daily basis, and almost all are starting to realize that their lives are made easier by using more technology. Being in the northwest, I’d say that 90% of them are Verizon subscribers and have been for a number of years. As you can imagine, when I started trying to pry thoughts out of them on these new shared data plans, they had some concerns.

“Customers Asked”

According to Big Red, “customers asked” for these new shared data plans. Did they really though? We don’t know who Verizon polled or where they got the idea that sharing data was something needed, but what I do know is that every single person I talked to this weekend, had certainly never thought of it. Not only that, but we also had to talk through the situation a couple of times in order  for them to fully grasp what it is that Big Red is trying to get them into, starting June 28.

Smoke Screen

As I sat with these friends and family this weekend, I had plenty of opportunities to talk through the benefits (if there are any) to these new Share Everything plans. I made it clear that if you switch to one, you would never have to worry about minutes and text messages anymore as they were being bumped up to “unlimited” status. While that sounded good at first, none of them were all that excited about this new “unlimited” status because they are all settled into their current plans which they are comfortable with and rarely run over on.

“Unlimited” is how Verizon is going to try to sell these though. If you look at Verizon’s own landing page for these new Share Everything plans, you will struggle to find benefits. The only thing that stands out is this “unlimited” stuff, which from what I can tell, means very little to most. As you can imagine and we have reported on, people are using less and less minutes and are sending fewer and fewer texts each year. Both of these categories used to be cash cows for carriers, but as data has become the new mobile technology force, profits from those areas have fallen and carriers are finding other ways to make up for it. Data is one of those new ways.

Up front, through the unlimited smoke screen, everything sounds like a positive. “No more overages!” “No more worrying!” “Send as many texts as you’d like!” However, it’s the final step, where you choose a data plan, that is going be the thorn in the side of many. While you may not have to worry about texts and minutes, you will be worrying about data usage. With the small amounts of data and sky high prices that make up these tiers, along with the ever-growing number of data hog apps and services, you should be more worried now than ever.

Bottom Line

After talking through similar points this weekend, we finally got down to actual pricing and whether or not my friends and family would benefit from Share Everything. I was able to walk through their current setup and help them figure out their bill based on shared data tiers.

To give you an example, many of these were couples who had 1 smartphone and 1 feature phone. Their minute plans usually sat around the 600 minute mark, sometimes pushing towards 900. They had the one data plan, no plans for a hot spot and no need to connect a tablet. I would put their average bill at anywhere from $90 to $120. Once I was told how much they currently pay, I broke out the costs under these new Share Everything plans ($30 per feature phone, $40 per smartphone), which ended up being more than they are currently paying in every scenario.

If some of them took their 1 feature phone and 1 smartphone and added on a 1GB data package to share between them, they would be starting out at $120. Since almost no one can make it on 1GB of data (Verizon even claims that the average user uses 2GB), they would have to bump up to 2 or 4 or 6GB, which would then take their bills to $130, $140 and $150.

At one point, I tried to sell a couple on trading in their 1 feature phone for a smartphone because even if they weren’t big data users, their partner who may be, would benefit from having extra data. And then we got back into pricing and with data tiers starting at $50 for 1GB, it then made no sense.

I Don’t Get It

Seriously, I don’t get it. Do carriers think we’re all this stupid? For new customers, it is my understanding that all will be forced into a shared plan. For current though, it’s much different. If you take an upgrade after June 28, you can choose whether to go onto a solo tier or take the family onto a Share Everything plan. Every single current customer should take the solo tier in this situation. You can get 2GB of data for $30 on the solo, but when on the shared plan, it would cost you $60 for that much data that you would then have to share with other people. Think about that for a second. Verizon is charging share plans double for the same exact amount of data.

 An Expensive Future

I tried and tried over the last couple of weeks to find benefits to Share Everything, and unfortunately, I have come up empty. From what I can tell, the only people to benefit, would be those that talk like champs and text with the best of them yet use little to no data. How many of those people do you know? In some cases, it would also benefit large families who have multiple smartphone lines. At least 75% of Droid Life readers said that under these plans, their bill would be higher. In some cases, drastically higher. I think we all understand, as with any major corporate move, that this wasn’t going to benefit the consumer in the end. I just feel for my friends and family (the average tech consumer), who are going to be left with some very difficult decisions in the near future.

  • P356a

    There will be some scenerios where this plan may benefit customers but theye few and far between, that being said here is my situation. I have a1400 min plan, unlimited text,two smartphones with unlimited data, also two basic phones for a total of 4 lines. With the current plan I pay approx. $179 with a corporate discount. I want to add another line for my 9 year old,a basic phone, on current plan I would pay 9.99 for that line, on the new plan I would pay $30. Lets say I would get him a smartphone instead,i would pay $40 more per month (9.99+30.00) on both plans, but on my existing plan my son would get his own 2gb a month not share the 2gb I pay $60 for and already share with my wife. So lets get this straight, verizon would charge me $40 more to add a smartphone but give me no more data on the new plan?I’ll stick with my existing plan as long as I can, just another example of corporate greed at it’s finest.

  • Stuart Eshleman

    It’s outrageous to charge twice as much for the same data when you have twice as many people (at least) using the same amount. If anything, the data should be cheaper than on a solo plan.

  • George264

    But like, if you already have Unlimited Call and Text on 3 phones, this would be great. Especially before it was 299, and with this 220. And I save 80.

  • Yeah, I’m mad.

    Whatever morons begged for shared everything should be castrated. If they already have children, them as well. If I want to buy a subsidized phone, it’s going to cost me an extra $110 a month…all because some stupid f*ck cant fathom making whomever he’s “sharing” his cell phone bill pay their fair share.

  • jaxxmjd

    I agree 100% that the new pricing is FUBAR. This is obviously an excuse to make another money grab and increase profits. Fine, whatever; welcome to capitalism. But the pricing should at least make sense.

    Realistically, the price per line should be consistent among all devices and should be relatively low (ideally no more than $10 per device) or perhaps even $0. What does Verizon care if you’re connecting a smartphone to their network versus a tablet? Ultimately, they’re providing data. 2GB provided to a smartphone is the same as 2GB provided to a tablet. Correspondingly, in order for Verizon to achieve profits at an acceptable level, the prices for the data plans would have to increase.

    Think of the data plan as a large drink. The drink itself should make up the bulk of the bill to the customer, not the number of straws that go into the drink.

  • FromMyViewpoint

    Everyone who is a VZW customer should immediately review the new rate plan and compare it to the current one. I did. I was shocked. The new rate plan will increase my monthly bill for the same VALUE I have now by 25%. This figure was confirmed by both a VZW representative and VZW’s own online calculation tool. Value, not minutes, texts or GBs—look at your usage (i.e., the value) you get from your plan.
    Go to the tool at http://www.verizonwireless.com… and calculate your new bill. I bet you will be unpleasantly surprised.
    I don’t dispute the obvious fact that the wireless business is changing at a rapid pace. And VZW’s PR mouthpiece says it well: “Customers asked, and today Verizon Wireless delivered an industry first,” Tami Erwin, Verizon’s chief marketing officer, said in the release. “Share Everything Plans are the new standard for wireless service.” I’m sure she is well paid for trying to put a positive face on this price gouging.
    When asked by Reuters about the trends in data and voice usage by customers, Ms. Erwin told us why VZW is taking this action.
    “On average Verizon Wireless customers use about 1 to 2 gigabytes of data on their mobile device, according to Erwin, who said that customers’ data usage keeps growing. She declined to comment on the trends for voice usage.” (http://news.yahoo.com/verizon-
    She declined to comments on voice usage trends because they are going down—way down! It is fine to charge for what customers are using, but to demand such a ridiculously large rate increase at one time is insulting and unethical.
    I’ve been a VZW customer for well over 20 years and have always defended the company based on their high quality network and service. Even when their inept executives were not able to cut a deal to be the iPhone’s launch carrier, I sat and patiently waited for the inevitable opening of the market. Now I find myself looking forward to shopping the market for a company who actually cares as much about customers as they do about shareholders. Are the two objectives mutually exclusive? I think not.
    If you call VZW they will say you can keep your current plan—until you need to replace a piece of equipment. Does equipment last forever? If you buy an average non-subsidized iPhone, keep it two years and use 1GB of data or less per month, it is the same as the 25% price gouge I outlined above.
    I’m sure a more savvy wireless provider will see the huge opportunity this debacle creates.

  • lp894

    So I just did some math….lets say you have 5 lines:

    OLD PLANS:
    lines 1&2 =119.98 for unlimited minutes.
    lines 3, 4, and 5, = 149.97 (@49.99 each) for unlimited minutes
    Total = 269.95
    Unlimited messaging = $30

    2gb of data each(which MOST ppl have the 2gb data option) = $150 ($30/line)

    Total = $269.95 + 30 + 150 = $449.95
    Even sharing 1400 minutes you’re looking at $90 plus $10/line for 3, 4, and 5
    Thats $120 for the 5 plus 30 + 50 which is still $300

    NEW PLANS
    Each line = $40 for unlimited minutes and messaging
    Total = $200
    10gb Data(2 gb/line) = $100

    Total = $200 + $100 = $300. You’ve saved $149.95…or you’re at minimum breaking even.

    EVEN at 2 lines with the 5gb data option each and unlimited messaging on the old plans you’re looking at $249.95. On the NEW plans you’re looking at $80 for two lines unlimited plus $100 for 10gb of data….thats only $180.

    Where it DOESN’T come in handy, is if you’re currently on an unlimited data plan(as I am lol) and use more than 10gb/month(as i do lol). Even if you’re on the 700 minute plan for 2 lines, still with unlimited messaging and 2gb of data/line. That’s $159.99 where as on these new plans you’ll have unlimited minutes which puts you at $80 for both phones, plus $70 for 4gb of data (2gb/line) and that still saves you $9.99.

    Even in a situation if you have multiple lines(like 4 lines) with only 1 data line, the rest are feature phones with like…75mb of data or something and not unlimited minutes. we’ll say 1400 minutes between four lines. on the old plans thats 110 for the 4 lines minutes, 30 for texting, 30 for 2gb of data, and 30 for the other 3 lines having 75mb. thats still 200. on the new plans, it’s 130 for UNLIMITED minutes/texting on each line, and even if you had 4gb of data, you’re still looking at $200. if you have at least 2 gb of data with unlimited texting which is already $60 even with the 450 plan you’re total is still 99.99 and with the new plans it’s $40+60 which is still $100 and you end up with unlimited minutes).

    Now if, for example, you 450 minutes, 1000 texts, and no data plan because you just have a feature phone. Your bill is $50/month. On the new plans, you’re looking at $70. So that kinda sucks for ppl like him. Other than a situation like that though…I see no loss here. If you have at least a single line with 900 minutes…..then theres no loss. At worst, you’re breaking even

  • VZWDroidLove11

    A customer walks into a store and the only question is how much data do you want to use on our network. Everything else is included. Minutes, texts, hotspot (without rooting or downloading unstable apps). I heard someone on here talk about the fairness factor. This very fair considering that a family using 3 times the data of another should pay more than the lesser. It sucks to finally realize that a company wants move away from unlimited but if you take down that unlimited curtain and see what people are really using, it makes a whole lot more sense. If a company is going to have you for another two years, knock 400-500 bucks off a phone, they reserve the right set some groundrules for the next two years. Unfortunately, unlimited is not one of those groundrules.

    • JazzoRenee

      Well they don’t have to knock 400-500 of the phone now do they.
      Sit down VW employee.

  • VZWDroidLove11

    I work for Verizon and know that there are plenty of people that will benefit from this. You guys have got to be crazy if you think we dont see people come in very often asking for 1 data plan vs a bolt on feature for every smartphone. Also most of these sites that I frequent are filled with heavy data users so yes your bill may not seem to be headed down. The biggest misconception is that many of you dont know much about stats for a company with over 90 million customers but base your sample of the comments on this site and a few other blogs/forums. Trust me, I use a crap ton of data but i recognize that I am an exception, not the standard. Last but not least there are plans above 10GB. 110=12GB 120=14GB 130=16GB 140=18GB 150=20GB then they jump to 30GB for 200. Not promoted but readily available for all who want it.

  • bittrblue

    As a 5 year rep at an indie Verizon store I can tell you even though I don’t like the new plans, for the past 2 years I have had countless requests for family share data plans. I am sure the people on here, the power users and such, would never ask for that. But the average Joe consumer would. I actually have a spreadsheet with a over 300 names on it I have to call when this goes into effect. I am not defending the plan, but they are not lying about the customer requests.

    • JazzoRenee

      Right key word is family, Verizon is forcing this on all…..So many Verizon should give an option to family share members if they would like to take part. You guys may have listened but you didn’t listen close enough.

    • kdn102

      Yeah, but the requesters all figured that sharing the data would DROP their monthly bill for the same service…not INCREASE it!

  • InyRules

    My issue with these plans is simply the pricing for the amount of data that they offer. What justification is there for a 1GB data plan to be $50, except for corporate greed? If the average user is said to use around 2GB on Verizon, why would they expect TWO LINES to suffice sharing 1GB? For $50?

    My plan has 2 smartphones on it, both with 4GB @ $30 each. We could probably get away with sharing 6GB of data comfortably, but that’s already $20 more expensive than my current plan.

  • Kind of a cruel joke to think that we are all so incredibly stupid. No value at all in the these new plans. The big two companies in wireless are becoming more and more the same. Not sure if they are really just one company now and just are hiding that fact.

  • This plan benefits people on family plans with “normal” type usage and 4-5 lines…not people with 1 or 2 lines with low minute usage…

    Sadly when I worked for Verizon, people did ask for these all the time…but Verizon went and added in the unlimited mins/txt so they could up the prices and have justification.

    They should have gone with 3 tiers…1000mins, 1500mins, unlimited…and made texting a $20 add on….would have worked out better for consumers…but as the article said…they’re more about shareholder satisfaction than people….

    they are also neglecting a large segment that doesn’t want/use data…just wants phones and barely uses them…

    a person that has a 700 minute plan with no texting or data right now for 5 lines pays $100+ tax….under the new plan…they move to unlimited mins and txt…which they don’t need and pays $200 a month for the same 5 basic phones…

    and yes…there were still a good amount of people that came in and just wanted basic or texting only and low mins….verizon loses on these customers

  • OK so I currently have 3 smart phones / unlimited data and 1 basic. With discounts pay $217 total including tax and fees. On the new share plan I have 3 smart phones @ $40 = $120 and 1 basic @ $30 = $150 + $80 for 6gb since we average between 4-5gb on high usage months = $230 before tax and fees. Totals taxes and fees add up to around $17 so we have $247 after tax and fees minus ~20% Discount = $197.60 so Assuming the discounts remain the same I’ll save money even at 8gb. The problem though is will the same corp discounts apply on these new plans?

    • delta504

      I believe they will, but I would not cut your unlimited data down to 6gb especially across 3 phones! You are downgrading by a long shot. There will be a day when you or one of your users starts eating up more than you have in the past, it’s only a matter of when.

  • Breezer23

    It doesn’t change much for me though I still dislike losing my unlimited data. Verizon has really gone out of its way to cut out all the fat in the last 2 years. I really miss the one year contracts.

  • Destroythanet

    Unlimited minutes and text are so pointless these days.

    • DrAndyRoid

      Unless they split their one phone for personal and business (I know people that do), but I understand what you’re saying. I care more about data. I, without any exaggeration at all, never use more than 50-60 minutes a month.

  • enigmaco

    I’m on a family plan where there are 5 lines 2 smartphones the rest basic phones with no Internet we use 4-6 gb a month and have the lowest minute package available. . According to to the rep our plan would go up 30 bucks a month with no added benefits. Thanks for the screw job verizon.

  • DrAndyRoid

    I’m using my last upgrade before the 28th, not activating and selling the GS3, and putting that money away to pay full retail for the next device Verizon comes out with that is worthwhile. Full retail from here on out.

  • Versonymous

    I will save $40/mo. I will spend an extra $70 every 2 years in activation fees.
    New policies = $890 in savings over the course of my 2-year contract. Sounds like a win for me…

    I do think it is VERY wrong if they are going to force people off current pricing that is more cost effective for them than these new plans.

  • The $#!+ in this plan really hits the fan when you realize they are doing something not dissimilar to AT&T with paying extra to use the same data. Feature phones, smartphones, and tablets will all use the same data pool, so why charge the access point differently based on the screen size? I wish the plan would at least be simple for customers. x dollars/gig of data, y dollars/standard line, z dollars for feature/smart lines.

    Not to mention that my unlimited data which is pushing six gigabytes this cycle costs 20 dollars less than the 1 GB of data entry level. I know we are adding in texts and minutes, but I really think the plans should drop by $10. I need to get everyone upgraded to keep the unlimited for now, and the family will readjust as necessary when our upgrade cycle comes back in 2013-4.

  • jarrod

    Here I come boost mobile!

  • apingaut

    It’s time for droid-life to pick up the “an” of android.

    F-verizon

  • dwaynaz

    I know this might sound rude, but people need to stop depending so much on their cell phones. People using 10 GB a month, really? Hop on WIFI, or pay for the data that you use and stop whining.

  • WickedToby741

    There are a couple of agendas Verizon is pushing with these plans.

    The first and foremost is more data. They want to make low data plans expensive so you upgrade. 1 GB and 2 GB plans just plain don’t make sense. 4 GB is definitely on the conservative side, so most consumers will be opting for 6 GB and 8 GB plans.

    Second, they’re trying to kill the feature phone. With feature phones only $10 less a month than a smartphone and so much less capable, it doesn’t make sense to buy a new feature phone, especially when some smartphones you can get for free after the rebate.

    Third, Verizon’s arguments for these plans is always going to go like this:
    1. Unlimited data is unsustainable (although we’d be happy to give you as much data as you want so long as you’re paying).
    2. Sharing is better for the consumer (it’s also better for our bottom line).
    3. These plans are more valuable because they offer unlimited voice and text and “free” tethering (obviously, nothing here is free, we’re just forcing you to pay more for less data and giving you unnecessary things for “free” to justify it).

    The only way you’re going to win this argument is by taking your business elsewhere.

    • Adam Brandt

      Tethering should have been free since they switched to tiered data last year. By them promoting it as they are now (FREE TETHERING USE YOUR PHONE TO SHARE DATA WITH ANYONE!!!!!), they are making something that should have been free all along (your own tiered data you pay for), look as if though it’s a feature when it’s really not. And if they are going to sell data, then give me MY DATA. I mean, if I buy 10 gigs of data, I WANT those 10 gigs. It shouldn’t matter when I use them, they are MINE. If I use 5 gigs one month and 15 another, I should get to keep those 5 gigs for the next month. If they’re gonna sell blocks of data then really SELL THEM. Give me an amount and a price and let me buy MY data. It’s interesting to watch the home broadband market and wireless one. Home networks get faster and faster (in my case anyway with FIOS). I find it weird that my FIOS is the only home broadband service I know of with no 150GB or 250GB data cap, yet they are the worse wireless broadband provider. Is it THAT much more money for Verizon to maintain their LTE network then it is their home FIOS fiber optic network? I really don’t understand why the 2 broadband services are SO DRASTICALLY different. Wireless will only continue to get faster and faster and demand will continue to increase exponentially. I just don’t see how this plan is sustainable long term

  • Seth Crain

    When I broke the news to my dad about the share everything plan and told him about how much it would cost, he instantly decided he/we would be switching to sprint. So EVO-life anyone?

  • Guest

    It’s like Verizon did everything wrong.
    I used to get 450 minutes… but I only use about 200… so I need less. The new plans give you more.

    I used to get 1000 text messages… but I only use about 100… so I need less. The new plans give you more.

    I need as much data as possible. I used to have unlimited. The new plans make you SPLIT very small amounts of data… for inflated prices.

    It’s like the deliberately gave us more and more of what we do NOT need… and less and less of what we do need: data.

    This is Verizon’s idea of an “improvement”?

  • Neiander

    What I don’t understand is the actual pricing. Fine, if Verizon wants to do this share plan, why did the have to hike the prices up 100%? If Verizon left the 2gb at $30 and the 4GB at $60 and so on, i think people would not be saying ANYTHING. Verizon themselves say that the average user uses 2GB, then if you are hell bent on eliminating the grandfathering unlimited, why not leave the 2GB option at the current price plan. Verizon would not be catching ANY crap if they didn’t raise the data prices to such ridiculous costs. Very stupid IMHO.

  • James Hill

    I Currently have 1 feature phone(no data), droid3 (unlmt data) and a Gnex (unlmnt data), unlimited txt and 700 min. Bill = 185$ tax uncluded. I use 10 to 30 Gb of data and my wife uses 2Gb of data. Under the new plan; Smart phone X2 80$, Feature Phone 30$, 10 Gb of data 100$ = 210 plus tax. I guess if I really wanted less data and wanted to see if I could get brain cancer from talking on the phone all the time. And lets just forget about me ever using video chat on the go.

  • Jeffrey Tarman

    I think what some people, like myself missed, is that Big Red will be charging $40 PER smartphone on the plan. My current plan has 5 smartphones with unlimited data on each phone. My line, the primary, gets a 20% discount from my company. The rest of the lines come at a price of $10 per line and then unlimited data. We share 1400 minutes. My bill is $270 and change.

    Under the new plan and factoring in all the price changes, along with the highest data plan, my bill will INCREASE (with my discount). In the long run, it’s better for me to pay full price for the phone and keep my unlimited data.

  • Mike

    I’ve had 3 different techs [from 3 different locations] tell me that they’ve been told that the single-line plans are not scheduled to have cheaper data than than multi-line plans at the moment; one didn’t know anything about it while the other two had heard that originally, but when the employee info training packets came out, they said the solo-line plans had been left out. Whether or not these would be available on the 28th or at a later date, they did not know.

    This could just be another case of employees not knowing whats going on, but there is currently no mention of lower prices for a single phone plan on the info page or the calculator tool using one phone.

  • ourcats5

    As far as I can tell, all Verizon did was switch their “unlimited” from data, to text and minutes, and switch their “tiered” plans from text and minutes to data. Why, because, that’s where the money is. Capitalism at its best.
    So for me, I’m dropping my three basic phones and getting prepaid phones, and the two smart phones on our plan will share two gigs (we pay $$29.95 x2 for the smart phones now) and we have averaged under 2 gigs for every month for the last 12 months, so $60.00 is a push as far as I’m concerned. Screw Verizon and their $30.00 basic phone package.

  • FUVZW

    To avoid this BS plan move and keep my unlimited data, we went to a VZW store and had them add a line to our account, in order to keep the bill the same we had to do some tweaking with our plans namely we dropped the unlimited texting on our lines and went with 1000 per month, we then placed a feature phone on the new line and did the esn change to the line we were trying to keep unlimited data but wasn’t due for an upgrade until December. So we got unlimted data on that line (mine was due an upgrade anyway), and got a new phone on the other line @ subsidized rate. Catch is we have to keep the extra line for 2 yrs because we can’t drop the current line and still keep unlimited data, and we can’t use the upgrade on that same line since both would force a move to tiered plans. If you’re on the fence and don’t hv anoher option than VZW, I suggest trying this at you local store.

  • Wraaa

    I guess that I am confused by your review. Currently I pay 100$ per month for unlimited data, because i am grandfathered under verizon, unlimited texts , which i use, and 450 minutes, which i rarely go over. I use on average 2gb per month. Mostly from mobile browsing, apps, and logmein remoting for clients. My mother has unlimited minutes and a feature phone, and she pays 80$ per month. She uses on average 1200 minutes per month. My girlfriend has an iphone, 2gb on ATT, with 450 minutes, and she pays 90$ per month, her average data use is 500 mb/month. Combined our three bills are 270$ per month. My mom wants to upgrade to a smartphone, but she also wants to keep her minutes. , so for her to do so would bring our bill to at least $300 a month, because a smartphone data package starts at 30$. Now lets look at this using the verizon family share numbers…

    We each pay a base 40$ / month for our “smartphones”.
    We split 10gb of data for 100$ a month, because it is a MUCH better deal than 50 for 1.
    Our combined bill is now 220 per month, for all of us to have smartphone and to share more data than we currently consume combined. This is a combined savings of 80$ per month, or 27$ per person per month. I understand that my bills are skewed because my mother enjoys her unlimited data, but while the trend is that people use less minutes – it does not mean that people use NO minutes. I am not a talker, but I use about 450 minutes a month between business and pleasure. Please discuss, I am not sure if i am making my calculations incorrectly, but it seems to make sense to me.

    • delta504

      You will be doing better monthly but you are still “downgrading”. Once you move off unlimited you cannot go back. Im glad you checked your usage and hope that will continue to work for you, but hopefully no one on your plan discovers a streaming service they like and start utilizing half your data. Example- just a short year ago my wife on iphone used 200mb or less, now with a droid over verizon she recieved her 90% of 4gb data just last month. Im glad i hoped on double data deal when i did a few months ago. Point is, the phones and services are geared toward data usage with every passing day. I would not settle for less data than i had to.

  • Veirzon is nothing more than a terrorist orginazation. The future is data usage with more and more of our content being run in the “cloud”. They know this and they want to try and screw us as much as possible. They know this and want you to go over your data usage so they can charge you even more money. I will leave them as soon as my two years is up. RUN LIKE HELL FROM VERIZON. There are alternatives.
    When I called Verizon to ask about ways to go around this he told me to use my phone with wifi as much as possible and to not use their service. He said they cant handle all the usage and that this is the only way to slow it down. If they dont want us using their service then what the hell are we paying for?

  • Jim Teague

    Currently we have 4 4g phones and 1 Iphone. We use around 4GB/month. We all text alot and I use my phone for about 1500minutes/month. Switching to this new plan will save me about $30/month. It is definitely not for everyone as the article states. But for me, who uses a lot of minutes and not much data, it is great.

  • burpootus

    This is the first time I’ve been lucky for buying a DroidX on launch day (July 2010), as I’m on unlimited data and eligible to upgrade now. I’ve pre-ordered the Galaxy SIII, so I should be good for another 2+ years. Hopefully the market will settle this madness out before I’m forced off unlimited. If I were a new customer, there’s no way I’d sign up for Share Everything. Data should be getting cheaper, not more expensive. I hope consumers run from this.

  • ToBa9

    Why not charge based on speed like ISPs? Idk, just thinking out loud, wonder if someone can explain why this can/can not work. Is there not a large enough range of speeds or would this also be really expensive?

  • John Smith, III

    Very good and informative article, great research. Thanks for sharing knowledge now lets think about Family Sharing, it puts a whole new perspective on this matter.

  • Nick

    This just further steels my determination to take my unlimited data TO MY GRAVE.

  • McHat

    Goodbye Verizon

  • Justin Bourne

    How come everyone’s plan is cheaper than mine? I’ve paid $220/month for 2 smartphones w/ unlimited text and data plus 1400 shared min & unlimited mobile 2 mobile since vzw bought out alltel. 2 months ago I cut back to 700 minutes to save money and my bill has still been $220/month. I will definitely be paying full retail if it means keeping unlimited data.

  • Alexander Garcia

    My wife and I have been doing a lot of calculating and strategizing on the best option for us in this shitty situation. Our best solution to not get screwed over too much is just to buy our next phones at full price and keep our grandfathered unlimited data. We started saving up already 3 days ago. Solutions may vary however depending on individual situations and phone usage habits.

  • Ted

    Decided to be brave, bought my GSM G-Nex and a Straight Talk unlimited everything month of service. I should be up and running on the new service within a few days. I am not a data hog and should never have an issue with Straight Talk’s “soft” data cap at 2GB a month. I am literally itching with anticipation to be out of Verizon’s corporate grasp. If only people would learn.

  • Immolate

    I’ve asked Verizon for shared data plans through email. I’ve also asked them (more than once) to allow more than five people on a plan. My account has five smart-phones, but my two youngest daughters are without. So I’m getting a fifty dollar discount on data with the shared plans, but getting hammered by the incremental phone charges. In the end, the price is about the same for me. The net plus for me is that now I only have the worry about data overages. Those days of riding herd on the family over minutes are done. That’s one thing I don’t see many people talking about – no more nights and weekends.

  • Lepa

    I don’t think we are apposed to share data amount, we just don’t like the price of it. When they introduced family share plans for talk time, I saw the gain and went for it. I just don’t see how I benefit from their prices for sharing data. Let them show it me.

  • Hybrisate

    Verizon is a for profit company; data demand will exceed data supply by sometime in 2014. Back when demand was LOW, there was one option: you MUST have a data package for your smartphone. That plan was unlimited, again because data demand was not very high at the time. As data demand has increased, they have gone away from unlimited due to potential increase in revenues and to keep their network in good shape. Now that data demand is about to exceed the supply, what else do you expect Verizon to do? They know how to make money, and they know how to provide a superior network. Do you really think any smart, for profit company is going to sit back and let everyone eat up all the data they can? Minutes and texts used to be expensive, but now that no one uses them they are cheap. Data used to be cheap, but now that everyone wants it, it’s expensive. This is elementary economics. Drop your sense of entitlement, we live in a world where companies exist to profit by providing you a service. When only a few million people needed smartphones, it made sense to offer unlimited. With the proliferation of tablets and other mobile broad band devices, it’s just not possible for everyone to keep unlimited. Open your eyes people, it’s simple economics and all the other carriers will follow suit because, WE AS CONSUMERS ARE USING SO MUCH DATA. Consumer behavior caused this. So quit whining, recognize the reality of the industry, and pick your best course of action. People are forgetting they have so many options. I’m gonna keep my unlimited by taking the upgrades from the feature phone users on my account. And if one day that won’t work either, I’ll pick my next best option.

    • delta504

      Entitlement!?!?! Strong words, and extremely incorrect use of the words at that. No one I see is crying give me something for nothing. Verizon owes it’s customers nothing as well other than the service we pay for.

      99% of complaints are valid in that these plans, for the SAME monthly fee, cut data allowance in HALF, straight up. At current bandwidth allowance, the plan will cost more and gives you nothing in return. It’s exactly what’s described in the article, smoke and mirrors.

      Verizon has already moved away from unlimited for tiered plans, so DO NOT go throwing incorrect terminology such as “entitlement” around when it comes to corporation gouging at its finest.

      • hybrisate

        That’s the thing, you don’t HAVE to switch to share everything. You can stay on your Nationwide talk plan even as your upgrade, you will just lose unlimited. So these VALID COMPLAINTS your referencing are redundant. If you’re going to pay the SAME for HALF the allowance, don’t switch. It’s not smoke and mirrors if you have the option to avoid it. The only thing you are entitled to is the terms of your contract for the 2 years you are on it; besides that, I totally feel people are entitling themselves to too much. You as the consumer have the choice, you will never have the power to tell the carrier how to run their business. I think entitlement is an accurate word for a lot of the whiners here. If you don’t like share plans, stay on nationwide. I am.

        • delta504

          Very good rebutle and good point on choice, but that is now. Wait another year or two and todays choice will become the only option for anyone with more than one line. It also still doesn’t excuse blatant double charge rates and the unlimited voice is moot, not a benefit at all to most users. I will choose to stay on my current plan until forced out……..we shall see.

      • hybrisate

        Also, you say you pay more for nothing in return; you are gaining the benefit of unlimited talk and text. That doesn’t mean much for most of us, right now it’s currently $300 for 5 BASIC phones to have talk and text. On the new plans, a family of 5 basic phone users can get the same unlimited for only $220. Just because it doesn’t save you and me and all the other nerds money, doesn’t mean it’s hurting everyone. Verizon knows what they are doing; sadly these plans are going to work for them.

  • Jeremy Case

    You know what I hear whine whine bitch bitch. Is Verizon supposed to not make money. Did I miss where they went non profit!! All the people complaining about the price increase cut outyour morning Starbucks and you’ll save money.

  • J Dub

    It used to be voice minutes were king. Who had the most for the cheapest. Then came texts and again same thing. Then the big thing is data. Who has unlimited. Now that almost all carriers have adopted the same model they can basically force you to do what they want. So here we are. Shitty plans on almost all carriers. We only have 700 voice minutes and MAYBE once got close to using them. Most month we only use half. Texts are now the same way. All of our friends have smartphones we can contact via methods that use data. We each have 500 to outside VZW people and free texts to VZW people. Going forward it’s quite obvious that each year data usage goes up so this is nothing more than a money grab. AT&T will follow suit before too long.

  • Eff Verizon In The A!

    I’m on my own plan who the phuck am I supposed to be sharing data with? Verizon can take away my unlimited plan when they pry it out of my cold dead hands. Even if I had to pay an early termination fee I would gladly do it with a big smile on my face. With the amount of features Verizon keeps taking away, while continually adding new fees and costs, and then now screwing with my unlimited plan. Well I would easily do whatever is necessary to not to continue to support a company that thinks they can treat me like old garbage, and then take away my current plan that I’ve had this long because I’ve been a loyal customer for 12 years. Paying a fee to leave my contract early or buying phones at full price is nothing compared to supporting a company that values their customers this little. Hell I live in a suburb of a huge city, pay for 4G right now, and I only ever get sh!tty 3G service. Plus, dear Lord, if you only knew the other current problems I’m having with Verizon trying to get me to pay for a phone I never recieved or owned. Well, my hate for this shady company could not be any higher than it is now. Taking away unlimited was just pouring gasoline on an already raging inferno.

  • squrel23

    Currently my bill for 3 smartphones, 700 mins and unlimited text is $215/month. Under the new plans I can get 6GB to share between us (we rarely go over 4GB combined anyway) and its $200/month. So unless I’m missing something it will luckily work out better for me.

  • Howard Hedger

    Tell you what, roll over the data I don’t use into the next month and then we’ll talk.

  • Dzhokhar

    What people asked for was to be able to add shared data to their existing plan with a similar pricing model to what they already had for shared voice. That is, the ability to continue to buy data at about the same price (per gigabyte) that they did before (or even a slight discount), while being able to share that data across multiple devices at a small cost of ~$5 per additional device.

    What Verizon actually gave us is a significant overhaul of their pricing structure with a gigantic price increase (for anyone with less than about 5 data devices).

  • HueThree

    GSM Google Nexus on StraightTalk. $450 after tax for phone. $45 per month for unlimited text, calls, 2gb data per month 100mbs per day. Leave proxy blank in APN and use more data. Don’t be afraid to save money. Between Att and Tmo you will have coverage.

  • dragonflyr

    hmmm … trolls?

  • Trueblue711

    I almost threw up the other day when I read an AP article describing the new plans. The journalist must’ve been a Verizon shareholder, because the way they described it was like these new plans would save everyone money. 5 out of their 6 scenarios ruled the new plans cheaper. This is not the case for most people I know, just like people on this site.

    Verizon: I want shared data, but I don’t need unlimited texting or minutes. You know this already, but as usual want me to buy more than I’ll ever need.

  • Joe b

    My plan with 700 min unltd text, 5smartphones, one heavy user, 1 mobile hotspot, 1 tablet goes down by 40 dollars. My moms plan 1400 minute 1 basic, 3 smart one tablet goes down by 20 dollars

  • rcpa

    It will save us lots of money. 3 smart phones and a dumbphone. One new WiFi tablet and plans for at least one more WiFi tablet. Currently the tablet doesn’t use data outside the house because we don’t want to pay $30 hotspot charge for infrequent use of the tablets outside the house. We currently pay $229.97 plus taxes/fees a month for 1400 shared minutes (to get the unlimited friends and family minutes), unlimited messaging, and unlimited data on all the phones, but we can’t use our tablets outside the house. If we added WiFi hotspot for two phones, we’d be up to $289.97 a month. However, we use less than 4GB a month across all our devices. So, with the Share Everything plans, we have unlimited minutes, unlimited messaging, and 4GB of shared data (including WiFi hotspots on all phones), for $220 plus taxes. Even if we think the tables would add data usage outside the house instead of simply replacing data usage on the phones, we could add 2GB for another $10, making the bill $230. Which is essentially what we pay now but without any data for our tablets.

    Makes a lot of sense to me.

  • One thing I haven’t seen anyone address in this whole debate – what happens if/when Verizon implements voice over LTE? According to Network World (http://goo.gl/PmX1p) it isn’t happening any time soon, but it’s probably coming at some point. When it happens does “unlimted calls” go completely out the window and each call now counts toward your data usage?
    And the biggest question I have – Is Verizon going to use any of these new profits to upgrade the towers around my house? I’m stuck in a 3G bubble with 4G cells on every side and it’s really starting to burn my biscuits.

    • Sorry bout your biscuits lol

      • I appreciate the condolences but I think my biscuits will survive. I’m not so sure about my wallet though, especially if the curent pricing holds true until my next device upgrade next year.

  • PSU_DI

    At first glass these plans due feel like a punch in the gut. If you at just the data numbers sure it feels like your going to get ripped off $50.00 for 1gig that’s nuts, but then take a closer look, the voice plans and text plans are way lower than they have ever been. When you start to look at real usage scenarios they are to make sense.

    2 smartphones and 1 tablet: $40.00 per smartphone unlimited voice and text $10.00 for the tablet$100.00 for 10GB shared. So bottom line total is 190.00 for 2 phones and your tablet.

    With the equivalent current family share plan you are at $119.98 for two phones unlimited voice
    $30.00 for unlimited txt$30.00 per smartphone for 2GB per device$30.00 for tablet 2GB So this bottom line total is $209.98 for 2 smartphones and a tablet

    So with the new plan you have a net saving of $20.00 and you now have 10GB to share how you will with the devices instead of 8GB that are locked into each device.

    Now I know this isn’t everyone s scenario and it certainly isn’t mine but I can see how with certain customers this isn’t a terrible option, especially to customer who aren’t on and can’t get unlimited plans but are still stuck in family plans.

  • Keep in mind that the “Droid-Life” along with the heavy users are very different from an average American. I work at a Verizon dealer in the not very rich but not very poor part of Chicago and so far 90% of the customers that I’ve shown this to have said that this is a great deal and that they would definitely get it. Not everyone needs a smartphone with a large amount of data. Some people simply like having a device of that type with them in one package, as opposed to the days of people carrying an *Pod Touch with them along with their phone. I use my phone heavily, however most of the time that I use it, I’m either at home, work or school, meaning I have WiFi access. My average usage comes out to be between 300 and 500 Megs per month, even though I have the unlimited plan.

    For a family that wants to have a few smartphones but not pay $30 per phone this is a godsend. The “young” generation feels a sense of entitlement that they need to have some crazy amount of data for a cheap price. You’re not the only users of a cell phone companies network, and just because something doesn’t seem to fit your lifestyle doesn’t mean it doesn’t fit others. In fact, from what I see in the Chicagoland area, most of the young crowd go with T-Mobile just because its cheaper, while many of the late-middle age to older people go with Verizon.

    Finally, for Kellex (though I doubt anyone is going to read this far); In my 3 years working at a cell phone store (and growing up in that store since its a family business), I’ve heard a HUGE amount of people asking me if I think a company will ever offer shared data since everything else is shared anyway. Are there people that would prefer a larger amount of data for the price? Of course, however with this economy, a family unit wants to keep up with the latest trends, while spending the least.

    • dragonflyr

      so much trash here. sorry, dude .. lotta crap yer spewing. we could go line by line through your post and tear it up.

      • I was simply saying it from my perspective of working at a Verizon dealer and from what I see on a day to day basis. Your needs do not necessarily reflect the needs of everyone else.
        And the phones CAN do great things without the need for data. GPS, emails, games and many other apps don’t need much data to function normally besides the initial download on some of them. Your 5, 8, or even 13MP camera doesn’t actually need data to take a picture, unless you absolutely need to upload it instantly somewhere.

    • dragonflyr

      you know what … the bottom line is that you are pushing ALL THE GREAT things these phones can do and then giving us a small bucket of data. or, if we realyy want to use all the wonderful things you say they do, we gotta pay insane money for a bigger bucket.

      • dragonflyr

        also .. i’m probably not considered the “young” generation. mike, really… what a pile of crap.

    • Hold on. With old pricing scheme, you paid $10 + $30 = $40 for an additional smatphone line and was getting unlimited data. Now you’ll be paying $40 for additional smatphone line and pay for shared data separately. Where are the saving?!

      • Faulty logic. The unlimited talk and text plan was $149 for the first two lines plus $49.99 for each additional line. Now its $40 per line plus a single data plan. So if you were to get it with the old plan, you’d be paying $250 for talk and texts alone, plus $30 for each line of data which would make it $370. Now you pay $160 for unlimited talk and text and add data as needed meaning the minimum bill would be $210 (Obviously not many people are going to get the minimum data plan, though add $10 for each additional gig.

        • dragonflyr

          Ummm .. wha? Yeah, like many have said, more smokescreen tactics. Here is what you are not getting: WE DON’T CARE about talk and text!! And, evidently, neither does verizon. Data is king and you know it. I understand that they cannot do unlimited data, that is giving away the farm. BUT these new data tiers/pricing on TOP of the per access fees is outrageous. Sorry .. but the MAJORITY of customers will pay more (or get a LOT less).

  • James

    1 word, Quickster

  • Corey Hass

    I remember getting and using Google Voice because calls and texts are sent over data, which was (still is for me) unlimited, while the minutes/ texts were limited…now it has switched! You can have all the calls/ texts you want, put pay for every KB! I like how they have now made it OK for everyone phone to be a hotspot…share the data!

    I am currently on probably one of the oldest plans out there, an unlimited family share plan from Alltel, before it was morphed in to Verizon. After speaking with multiple “customer care” reps, not customer service reps, over the past few days, they have confirmed that I can still add a NEW line to my account and take use of the unlimited data!

    The question now is, which subsidized phone will yield the most profit for me on eBay so I can buy the RAZR HD at full price…

    • Iphone’s always retain their value far better then Android. 16gb or 32gb would give you a pretty good gain on ebay.

      • Corey Hass

        I was thinking that the S3 might have a fairly high demand right after launch though…and while you may be right about the *phone, with the 5th gen coming out soon, I could see those out of contract prices falling for the latest and not so greatest. Thanks for the input!

  • DJyoSNOW

    Also on the back of the new pricing print out. It says the average customer uses 1to2gigs of data… Who did they survey for this odd fact they are claiming.

  • i just posted on their facebook page that their new share plan sucks ass

    • Jeremy Case

      Yeah that’ll work.

  • droidftw

    Well I have to upgrade in the next 4 days.

  • dragonflyr

    thanks DL for calling it like it is … a smoke screen.

  • honestly as phones become better I don’t need a “new every two” anymore… my wife and I have a 700 min share plan with my daughter also on it. My wife and I both have unlimited data smartphone plan and my daughter has a dumbphone with 500 texts and unlimited in texting, my wife also has 250 texts, I have none as I only use google voice for texting. Our bill after 20% corp discount is $155.

    The new share plan puts us at $110 before we even add data.

    I just order my wife a Samsung Galaxy S III and I have a bionic. When I get tired of my bionic I will gladly go buy a Galaxy Nexus or Samsung Galaxy S III. I will gladly fork over $150-300 for a two year old smartphone and keep my unlimited plan going.

  • lumpysherman

    Welcome to verizon where the shareholder comes before the customer!

  • Rockrdr

    and letd not forget that every new phone free or not there is a 30.00 charge… I asked the rep why and she said that too many people are upgrading to new phones to often…WTF!!!

  • rich

    Not hard for me, I can simply not use any phone and not pay anything… Or I can go to the phone to go crap until everyone does and then they add more to their prices to…

  • SleepIT

    I’m one of those rare people who NEED the unlimited talk/text (mainly for work). With a smartphone and a MiFi on my plan, my costs stay the same and I can go to the 100GB plan for my devices ($160/mo) which is huge for me since my Mifi is currently on the 5GB/mo plan (and I have gone over when traveling for long periods).

    If it wasn’t for my job and I didn’t need the unlimited talk/text, I would *certainly* not be going to Verizon for my smartphone/data needs because it is a giant price increase for the average consumer with “unlimited” in the areas they don’t need it in.

    • You really threw me off with that mention of a “100GB plan”. Did you mean 10GB?

      • SleepIT

        Oops, yes I meant 10GB!!

  • David

    Prepaid plans seem the only option. Most of those are running $45-55 for unlimited voice, text and 2.5GB.

    • sinofueramos

      PagePlus – unlimited T/T and now with 2GB data for $55. Verizon towers. (I don’t use them, or sell them, just know about it)

  • rich

    Yet again, Americans never cease to amaze me… How f’ing stupid do you have to be to actually believe what the CEO of VZW says? any CEO for that matter? Knowing damn well that people are over paying for services others offer less for… But then you have the tag game where as all other carriers will follow suite when it comes to coverage and prices because, lets get real, they all group up and talk about how they can screw you more… The CEO even said there is no way VZW CAN’T MAKE MONEY ON THESE PLANS… exact quote, look it up…. Just so you all know, we Americans are to blame for some of this because your willing to pay more for crap… Look at EU, they have good service and phones and pay a heck of a lot less… Not to mention, they don’t have to wait a year to get an update on their phone software, and their phones come the way they are advertised, Uh Hum looking at you HTC with the Blunderbolt…

    • Benji

      gtfo kthx

  • slayer91790

    Maybe all mobile websites need to make a poll on how much internet does people really use on their plans and compare it to what Verizon says about the “average user”!

  • TheWenger

    It’s like the only people these plans will benefit are old people that talk all day and don’t know what the Internet is. And they’re still stuck paying for data (as if they’re ever gonna use data on a basic phone).

  • ahh… Straight Talk 🙂

  • Mule0331

    Here’s what I see happening. They say its unlimited talk, but if your on the phone too much, they will throttle your minutes like they throttle your data speeds. Pray your not on the phone when this happens, because when they slow it down the person may wind up sounding like a record that you hold back with your hand.

  • Rob

    “Seriously, I don’t get it. Do carriers think we’re all this stupid?”

    Yes, they think this. I think a lot of the general public wouldn’t know how bad of a deal they are getting honestly. I keep saying it but this plan only benefits plans with several smartphones and everyone uses less than 1GB per month each or people who talk incessantly and don’t use data (just like you said Kellex).

    Remember when AT&T said most users hardly ever get close to 2 GB a month so we’re taking away unlimited so you, the consumer, can save money? I kept asking everyone I knew that thought it wasn’t a big deal, what is the main purpose of a business?” A: to make money. How would saving a “vast majority of customers” be helping the business make money? It wouldn’t and it doesn’t, it’s just another way for a carrier to make you feel better about the horrible options they’re giving you.

  • David

    I have 1 feature, 1 smart phone on Verizon, use 2-4GB data. My bill goes from $100 to $140. I get a 20% discount make sit even worse, goes from $80 to $125.

    I expected Verizon to raise the price, but I didn’t expect a more than 50% increase.

    I cant/wont do it. I had hoped “shared data” would allow us to have two smartphones. Instead, looks like I’m definitely switching to a prepaid plan for $55 each, $110 total.

    I don’t see the economics of the Verizon plan for the consumer. I hope they change their minds before AT&T and everyone else copies it leaving no choice.

    • Chuckers

      Actually I hope all of the big wigs copy it. Then eventually there will be enough dissatisfaction among consumers that some new company can get its start and inject new competition. Its all a cycle, seemingly driven by greed.

  • I’m a Verizon customer and I have 5 lines all with unlimited data plans. I have 1 line that is due for a upgrade and we are going to pre-order the galaxy S111 before 6/28/12 but I have told all of them that if they want a new phone they will have to pay full price. In may we used 36GB of data.

  • TakeMyMoneyVZW

    Only Verizon benefits from the pricing change. They do it because they can and what are we going to do? We can choose not to use data or pay them whatever they ask and have data. This is just like gasoline pricing. The only way out is to not drive, but realistically, that’s not an option so we pay what they demand.

  • matthew

    As I’ve said before, I work for Verizon, every customer that I’ve talked to has nearly or will benefit greatly from this plan, while I mostly agree with this site on things (minus Samsung, I will never understand your guys obsession with their crap), you’re coming at it from an angle of high data use, low minutes, low or no (with a app) texts. The vast majority of customers (IE people not daily looking at an android blog) don’t use much data at all. I’ve seen several people since the announcement who have unlimited and are afraid of this switch, but when i pull up their account and on average for 5 smart phones, they’re using 4 gigs combined. Even doubling that just to make sure they have wiggle room, along with unlimited talk and text this is a better deal. Not for the few people like us who use tons of data, but for the majority of people across the country.

    • King of Nynex

      What do they tell you to tell people who are high data users? I’m kinda curious.

      • Chuckers

        Probably to suck it up.

        The real issue here is that everyone is trending to more data, eventually we will all be considered high data users. Verizon is getting in front of that trend. So while it makes sense and “looks cheaper” now, we will inevitably be paying more down the road.

        All the while Big Red treats us like ignorant children.

    • I currently have 2 smart phones on my plan, one with unlimited 4G data, and the other at 2GB per month. Both phones together only use about 3-4 gigs of data a month. I looked over the new plan very carefully and at first look it looked like I would benefit from switching. My cost would be nearly the same each month and I would be gaining unlimited minutes and texts. But then I look closer and I will not receive my corporate discount on all of the new plans, only on the data portion. So with the new plans I will be paying about $20 more a month. So even if you do not have unlimited data right now but have a corporate discount you still may not want to switch just for that reason also.

    • dragonflyr

      What I don’t get is that VZW and sales people talk up ALL the things you can do with your fancy phone … nfl, various media streaming, big fat dropbox accounts, navigation, etc..etc. And THEN you have the nerve to call various customers “high data” users!!! wha…? Basically .. you’re setting a trap. plain and simple.

    • I’m not using tonns of data, if I to switch to the new plan then for the same money I’ll be getting 1G shared data for the whole family. That’s not enough.

  • jeff

    As a single line person that uses a mere 2GB with a discount through work, I can tell you I’d be paying 50 dollars more. No thank you. I will just keep my old plan. Anyone with a discount now should avoid it at all costs

  • Let’s be honest here – there is no way that Verizon or any other provider is going to ever benefit you cost-wise. Every decision they make is going to cost you more and gain them more revenue. It’s as simple as that.

    Unlimited voice has zero value, and unlimited texts has very little value. So what they are doing is baiting you with those “benefits” then jacking you for more money being tight with the data, which is what people need.

    More money from you…for less from them. That’s how the wireless industry works. Good luck jumping ship to another provider – they just end up following suit.

  • Kevin E

    For me it works. I have 4 smartphones.
    Current: $100 family share plan, $40/phone (Access + smartphone charge) $260.

    New: $40*4+$80 (6 GB data)=$240
    Plus, I am seeing my family use less data now that there seems to be more and more hotspots available. Also, now I can cancel my home landline ($35/month)

    • wickets

      I will save a ton too…..with wifi almost everywhere I’m a bit unsure how people use so much data

  • Aaa

    Ugh just because you don’t know anyone who thought of shared data didn’t mean people don’t want/need it or aren’t open to the idea of it. Sheesh. If the pricing scheme was better, why wouldn’t you be open to it?

    • Chuckers

      We would. But is not. And so here we are, paying more while we get more of what we don’t need and less of what we do.

  • MentatYP

    Good idea conceptually (if Verizon would have asked me, I would’ve been one of those in favor of a shared data plan) but terrible execution price-wise. Don’t force me into unnecessary unlimited minutes and text. Give me the option to keep my current shared family minutes and convert my 2 individual smartphone data plans into one shared data plan for less money. I’d even be willing to go to a capped data plan (currently on unlimited) if the price made sense. Say $50 for 4GB shared between as many devices as you want. I think something along those lines would save money for many families or at least break even, but obviously that’s not what Verizon are trying to achieve. The greed is so obvious it’s laughable.

    It’s high time that they let us use the data we pay for and let us pay for the data we use, instead of charging us for alternate ways of using our data (hotspot, etc.) If I buy 4GB of data I should be able to use it on any Verizon device I own. But that’s another issue. Verizon are just making it worse.

  • RW-1

    We’ll all be screwed as they implement this, for the real reason has been discussed before: the end of voice – once you go to voice over 4G that likely will count against your data share plan. Minutes don’t matter anymore and it’s true! Rape us for data now, and when you settle into the plan, then you’ll really get hit as your calls assist you into limits and overages.
    It’s sad that they actually think most of us can’t see thru the BS …

  • bakdroid

    Sorry people, this is the future. Verizon is not going to be the only one doing this, everyone is going to get on-board. And why not?

    Also, lets not forget back in the early 90s and late 80s cell phone plans were running $300 a month for like next to no minutes. This boom of cheap cellphone plans was coming to an end sooner or later. And, when you couple this with the fact that Comcast and other LAN providers are going to start pushing caps down, bandwidth becomes the new currency and we as users just have to accept that or go back to the stone age.

    • The future is prepaid. With portable plans and multiple competing providers.
      Yes, data will not be unlimited (why should it be unlimited)? But it should be priced reasonably. Cell phone bill should not rival the car payment.

    • hybrisate

      I think it’s funny that people are rating you down when you’re just trying to give cold, hard truth. It’s simple economics, why are people not realizing that? Yes we are all super bummed to see unlimited data taken away; but it’s happening everywhere. Canada has had landline internet data caps for a long time now; we’ve been spoiled here in America with unlimited data through various internet channels for so long. Don’t get mad at this guy for telling the truth; be mad that we as consumers used enough data for the carriers to start charging us more. If you owned a business with a commodity like data, would you keep giving it away even as more and more people demand it? If you say yes, you will probably never own a successful business.

  • pickle3782

    I have 2 phones. Smartphone for me, with the $30 unlimited data plan, and a dumbphone for my mother that she only uses to make a few calls.

    We split a 700 minute plan ($60 + $10 for my mothers additional line) with free verizon to verizon minutes and I have a 500 text add on ($10) with free verizon to verizon texting.

    With everyone I know being on verizon, and being able to make calls and text to them for free, my mother and I barley use 200 minutes a month of our 700 minute plan. I also blocked any for of text from my mothers phone because she doesnt know how to text anyway.

    WE DO NOT NEED UNLIMITED TEXTS AND MINUTES.

    Our current plan
    $60 for base 700 minute plan and 1 phone. +
    $10 for my mothers additional phone. +
    $10 text plan for my phone. +
    $30 for my unlimited data plan
    minus my company discounts

    =

    $100 or so per month with taxes and fees.

    Now I would have to pay

    $40 for my smartphone. +
    $30 for my mothers phone. +
    $60 for 2gb of data. +

    And verizon is also changing the discounts so it would not minus as much.

    =

    $125 per month I would estimate my new bill would be, for more features I DO NOT NEED OR WANT.

    How does this make sense?

    One of the main reasons I am with verizon is for the free verizon to verizon minutes. All my friends have verizon so I can keep my plan cost low by getting the cheapest family minute share plan I can get. I dont need unlimited minutes or texts.

    This is out of control.

  • Shadowcell

    Anybody upset about the fact that tiered data plan owners are getting a “4GB for $30” promo deal meanwhile grandfathered data plan owners aren’t receiving any incentive for loosing out?

    I’m predicting a heavy loss of Verizon customers who didn’t receive their upgrade before June 28 and AT&T offers a better tiered plans and decent phones too (HTC One X).

  • chey023

    swappa for my phones, no way am I giving up unlimited without a fight

  • Devin Dombrowski

    Unless I’m missing something, for the 2 smartphones on my plan w/ 700 min & unlimited data shared plan right now, I’d save nearly $30 a month by switching to the 2gb plan.

    • What you’re missing is that you’re going from 2 unlimited data plans to sharing 2GB across 2 devices. If your mobile data usage is really low, then congrats, you’re one of the winnners in the VZW lottery.

      • Joshyz73

        Also, if you don’t have any add-ons for text messaging, you should have the exact same rate. You should be at $80/month for the 700 plan, with 2 phones, then $60/month for data of $140 before taxes and fees. The 2GB plan for you would be the same cost ($60 for the data/talk plan, then $40 for each smartphone). If you have any text messaging, then you may be saving. Though, as Christopher said, you’d be sharing 2GB of data between 2 phones.

    • You probably paying for texts now.

  • jonathon johnston

    I am on a family plan now (I have the only smartphone with unlimited data) and my cost is $45 a month. My entire family plan plan with all 5 total phones is only $200 a month, with 1400 minutes that we do not use and unlimited texts for all. This fall when my contract is up my girlfriend and I are getting our own plan, and for 4gb of data we are going to be at $150 a month for just two phones.
    This is absolutely ridiculous. Shared everything is a great plan, just at the wrong pricing structure. I would be all for the plan if the pricing structure was different. Maybe, as mentioned, $40 for the first smartphone and $20 for each. Data should be cheaper, I can get 2gb for $30 on an individual plan, why should I now pay $50 for the same amount to share it?

    • sry, but for $50 you’re actually getting half of what you pay now for $30, and you share that whopping 1gb

  • AnotherAndroidKid

    Any chance VZ has a double data sale with shared data?

  • bcrew5

    I can also save money too. About $35 a month but at the cost of losing 4GB of data a month. This is exactly what Verizon wants.

  • RellC

    Ok I have 5 lines with 4 smart phones that are on the unlimited data pricing and 1 xyboard that have the $30 for data. I have 1 bionic, 1 thunderbolt, 1 rezound, 1 Iphone4s also the xyboard. Right now my bill runs around $260 a month. Three of my lines are eligible for upgrades this year. Is it best for me to pay the full prices for the upgrading or switch to the new shared data plans? This new pricing is confusing me????

    • Floski

      I believe it would cost you $40(x5) + However much you spend on data.

      Check your monthly usage rages. For $60, you get only 2GB. For $70 you’d get 4GB. 4GB should be more than enough for most people on 5 devices. At most I say you spend $10 more. In exchange, you get unlimited minutes/texts/free tethering. It’s mostly even.

      How do you only pay $260? For 5 smartphone/tablets, you’d pay $200 in pure data/line fees alone. Add $60 for their cheapest minutes plan, add $30 for the family texting plan and you’re looking at $290. You don’t pay for texting maybe? Google Voice instead?

      • RellC

        Right now I have unlimited data and text, 1400 minutes, we never go over our minutes. $300 a month for cellphones..good bye verizon

  • Floski

    The average family of 4-8 that pays for texting will actually save money on the new plans. The average user consumes only about ~600MB of data a month, despite what VZW tries to convince you of so you overbuy.

    I’ve run the numbers on them multiple times. The only reason I come out ahead with my old plan is because I use Gvoice instead of paying $30 a month for texting. If I paid for texting, the newer plans would be way better for my family.

    Who loses? Individuals and families filled with power users.

    Who wins? Families of 4-8 that consume an average-above average amount of data.

    This is really just a realization on VZW’s part. The future is data, not minutes/texts. They’ve stopped trying to ream you in the ass for texts/minutes, now they are focusing on data. So they’re giving you UNLIMITED text/talk for $40 on any smartphone, only $30 for a feature phone. And they’re charging you on a much more nuanced and tiered data pricing structure, so people who use more will have to pay more. No more unlimiteds.

    It’s that simple. They’ve finally come around and seen the present. Anyone lucky enough to be grandfathered into unlimited data plans is a lucky bastard because you’re getting away with something. As smartphones/tablets get more and more computer replacement-like, people are going to consume way more data. Anyone with a brain saw that coming, VZW didn’t, now they are paying for it in badwill because they can’t afford to keep handing out data for cheap.

  • shaun.ober

    My moms account has 3 smart phone and two regular phones, she is paying well over 300 dollars a month and only use 1.5gb of data a month. this would = out to 250 before taxes on the new plan. This is a plus for here and will be making the switch ASAP.

    • Floski

      Exactly. And 1.5GB/month is average for 3 smartphones. The average smartphone consumer only uses about 600MB a month. The average family will SAVE month on this plan.

  • Kisuk3

    I plan on abusing the hell out of unlimited plan.

    • mustardhomie

      Do it for those who cannot not. do it for those who fear for their finances or for those who dont even care. DO IT for your country!

    • 1927 Metropolis is Here

      Same here, I plan on streaming hours upon hours of music, movies and video! Hello cloud player, Netflix, HBO Go, YouTube and more! This is the beginning of the end my friends. They do what they want, when they want and how they want. We putrid peasants don’t matter. I wish people would stick together how they use to. Maybe then we could effect a change, but those days are long gone. All I wanna say is ” they don’t really care about us”!

  • Casey P

    There’s a reason I’m upgrading every line on my current plan that is eligible right now, and adding the one final line to my family plan that I had planned to add next February when my youngest reached the promised “for emergencies” age. To do so after June 28th would be costing me nearly $70/month more. And from here on out, it looks like I’ll be paying “full” price (or at least ebay price) for my hardware. Too bad VZW is the only real option for service where I live…

  • Mordecaidrake

    We’re all screwed basically. This in NO WAY benefits any customers, I’m concerned about this though because I know that I’m going to get screwed into this plan when someone on my family plan upgrades.

  • dylan84

    So glad I’m not a Verizon customer and dont have to deal with crap like this.

  • 2001400ex

    To DL: Can you help start something to create news/uproar over this? We need something similar to the Netflix or debit card fee deal to make them rethink thier plan. Great idea, just costs WAY too much. My bill with 5 lines where we use less than 1400 minutes but need an 8 gb plan would be $60 higher. Now we have unlimited data too.

    • dragonflyr

      not sure if it matters .. but .. verizon was taking a pretty good beating on their facebook page a few days ago. think i’ll go log in and stir the pot..:)

      • 2001400ex

        Ya we need a ton of people tho, need to get vzw bad press. Right now what I read is neutral.

      • Josh Flowers

        posted a negative review on their wall & was removed within 20 seconds–but not before i got a few “likes” by other people.

        the comments section is where the party’s at

  • leo

    Yea if they don’t extend my unlimited after my 2 year contract is over then I’m out. Sprint here I come even if there network ain’t all that. My bro has sprint and it works great for him so yea.

  • Eric Hauth

    it really is quite disturbing that the lured the public into smartphones by promoting these unlimited data plans and now they are striping that away from everybody now they have more need for unlimited. And at the time they want a subsidized price on their phones, its really hard to fathom.

    In no way do I want to get rid of my unlimited data especially if it goes from 10GB for $60(w/ 2 phones) to now 10GB for $100(just to split the data between 2 phones)

  • Floski

    1. VZW telling us that the average user consumes more than 1 GB and needs a 2GB plan is them trying to sell us on a higher data plan.

    2. Actually, currently, the average user consumes about ~650MB a month.

    3. If you’re in a family of 4+, pay for texting, and consume an average amount of data, you save money/stay even. You’re only trading off unlimited data for unlimited text/calls. The thing is neither of those things matter if you were never going over.

    Let’s do some math.

    Currently for a family of 4 with 700 minutes/unlimited texting/4 smartphones:
    $60 + $10(x4) + $30(x4) + $30 = $250

    Afterwards for a family of 4 with smartphones with unlimited texts/talk and 3GB of data.
    $40(x4) + $70 = $230

    You could even bump it to 4GB for $80 or 6GB for $90. 6GB for $90 puts you at $250 just like under the current plans. And frankly, unless your family is filled with 4 power users, you are not going to consume 6GB of data. I tether, I use the desktop version of websites by default, I auto-sync pictures I take to Google+, I do all that. I use slightly over a gig a month. A 6GB plan would allow everyone to use well over a GB.

    So now, let’s see what happens to a family of 6 and 8, let’s say with a couple parents that use less ~500MB (my parents use 250MB each, but I’m being generous) and kids that use 1GB each (my sister uses ~500MB, but again, being generous) 6 people = 5GB, 8 people = 7GB. There are no plans for those, it tiers at 6GB and 8GB.

    $40(x6) + $80 = 320. Under the old plan it would have been $60 + (10+30)(x6) + 30=$330

    $40(x8) + $90 = $410. Old plan would be 410.

    Now, I highly doubt a family of 6 and 8 could stay on 700 minutes a month. Shit, I have to watch my family’s usage with only 4 people. My sister chats to her boyfriend non-stop, my dad runs his business, my mom talks to her family, I barely use any minutes at all. You would likely be paying for the 1400 package, which would make the difference between the new plans and the old plans even wider.

    It hurts people who don’t pay for texting though, like me. I use Google Voice/GTalk. I’m sure a lot of other Android owners do too, consider how useful it is. I save $30 on texting that way, so the math is more like $220 under the current plan with 4 unlimited datas vs $230 on the new plans with sharing 3GB. Obviously, the first is superior.

    It also hurts groups of powerusers. You will definitely be paying more for data if you’re consuming 2-4GB a month, but otherwise, you’ll be about the same/better under the new plans.

    TL;DR: The new plans are actually helpful for the overwhelming majority of users. Less than 10% of Smartphone owners use more than 1GB a month. Most people also pay for a texting plan. For the family of 4-8, they will save money on the new plans. For power user individuals, you are going to pay more. But you’re about the only demographic that will be.

  • Firant

    I think its designed to make it easier to talk yourself into adding a tablet or PC onto your data plan (and thus drastically increase data consumption — those things are hoggs). It’s clearly all about the $$$, but the $10.00 add on for non-phone devices is tempting. For me, it becomes a money saver only under certain strange scenarios (one being where I somehow both use less data than I currently do, and decide I must have [legit] mobile hotspot turned on while also somehow needing a tablet that manages to not be connected directly to VZW.) They’re all attenuated and self-contradictory situational niches.

    VZW needs to triple the data per tier for shared plans, then it would be a good deal for me in most scenarios I see myself using over the next several years. (until Google glass comes out and converts us all into always-on streaming everything data consumers of the apocalypse anyway) (don’t get hung up on the specifics, just let the image roll around in your head for a minute and have a laugh).

    • MentatYP

      At least triple. $50 for 3GB is merely approaching reasonable but not quite there yet.

  • David

    I am a subscriber of ONE, who am i going to be sharing this with. So for those that will be forced into a shared plan that share nothing with no one we are getting the worst of all of it. Their is no options for individual plans. Thanks you greedy profits.

    • CampyGuy

      You’ll be on an individual plan with tiered data, those aren’t going away and you can sign up today!

  • Keith B

    I think everyone who reads this and is unhappy (as I am) with this data BS plan should go to their facebook page ( http://www.facebook.com/verizon ) and voice their opinion. It seems that they do read and upkeep their facebook page…

  • kevlar

    I save 40$ a month dropping my line and going to Tmobile. Cancelled my account this weekend and so far loving it. 5GB for phone + 5GB for tethering and Im paying 77$ a month. Under Verizon, that would have cost me a WHOLE lot more. And now I get 4G where I live. WIth Verizon, there is no 4G nor going to be for a while. FU VZW!

  • bchampnd

    I could see the appeal of a shared data plan but not at this price point. I could see why families would think it makes sense to pool their data – one family member might not use nearly all of his 2 GBs while another family member routinely goes over – so those are the types that may have asked Verizon for shared data plans. These plans only make sense, however, if price per GB was the same or comparable to old plans and it’s not.

    Luckily, I’m grandfathered into unlimited plan for another few years and will (hopefully) receive my pre-ordered Galaxy S3 in the first half of July.

  • I think there will be some real blow-back on this one. Usually I shrug off the the changes Verizon presents, even the expiration of unlimited data, as part of the changing landscape. But this, this has me genuinely looking at other carriers. Verizon (and other companies) have squeezed me too much and I have started emphasizing business practices over price.

    I just cancelled AT&T home Internet in favor of Time Warner Cable for no other reason than TWC has no data caps. I never hit the cap, but it was there non-the-less so I cancelled and went with TWC. It’s sad, but public companies that do not innovate enough are forced to squeeze and squeeze their customers until they either have a monopoly or they fail. That’s our system.

    Good thing T-Mobile didn’t get bought by AT&T… I maybe going there soon.
    Come on Google! Bring on the no-contract phones without the fake discounted pricing! I am ready.

  • Aaron Burroughs

    Being that i work closely to VZW I am disgusted at the share everything plans, yes some people were asking for this option, but this pricing structure is painfully exspensive. 2 smart phones with 500mb of data between the two of them, and its $130 on the bill, not to mention the activation and new upgrade fee? there really really needs to be a huge discussion on this, and we shouldnt allow for a pricing structure to even exist. as technology gets older its suppose to get cheaper, not the other way around. There just trying to make as much money as possible untill there bubble burst in there face. Verizon continues to screw its loyal customers

  • You know what, This is the way i look. A lot of people are benefiting from these new plans and some aren’t. The people who are not are people who use 6+ GB/Month. Verizon has put A LOT of money in their LTE network and their only going to make it even better by the end of the year. I do know that it’s expensive and that’s why other carriers are slow and none of them will have the capacity Verizon has for about 3 years.
    People here just like the word “Unlimited”, but i bet if you checked your usage and used WIFI a little more you wouldnt need it and could probably save money. Most people don’t use more than a Gig of data and hence why this is going to save money. Plus, people do still talk and txt a lot of their phones and some people are paying a lot for higher tier plans and now will save, because of these.
    Verizon is only the first out of the gate and others will follow or fail. You guys all complain and say i’d switch to (enter carrier), but their network sucks here, Well thats, because their taking your money and not investing it into the network and that’s where Verizon is actually using their money to invest in theirs.
    People are using absurd amount of data and a lot of other are not, I just think Verizon wants those heavy users to start paying for their usage and i can understand that from a busniess aspect.
    These plans are saving me money, because myself may use a decent amount, But the other on my account don’t use nearly as much. So some may save, some may break even and some will pay more. It is what it is.

    • People who are loosing on these plans are not the ones who consume a lot of data, but the ones who have a minimal minutes and not texing on their plans.

  • Greg Smith

    So the question I have is how do we channel these dissatisified voices toward Verizon? Rather than make insightful observations and criticisms to other users that already agree with us, is there an email address or phone number at Verizon that we can send these comments to? Otherwise, they will get the impression that we are all just bending over and grabbing our ankles for this.
    It worked for SPOA & PIPA, but of course there we were dealing with politicians who actually were concerned about voters’ opinions.

  • dedoincreible

    “Share Everything” implies that you have someone (or a second device) to share with. If someone walks into a Verizon store wanting to set up a new account for just themself, will they still have to choose from one of the ‘Shared’ plans?

  • BearMinimum

    I wanted a shared plan to add a tablet…ON MY UNLIMITED DATA PLAN. I would never share a tiered plan. And I’m not exactly thrilled by the thought of paying full retail for a device to keep my unlimited data. That’s why I’ll probably bump up my data plan for my Note with ATT and cancel VZW.

  • J. Gilbertson

    I just got upgraded my D2G to a RAZR MAXX and haven’t looked back on it once. Keep my unlimited data for 2 more years and see how much data I actually eat up now that I’m on LTE. Good grief LTE is a beast! I can’t believe how fast it is and how I’ve been missing out on it for the past few months I’ve been eligible. These shared plans were the kicker, plus I had a $100 off discount on any LTE device. My wife rarely encroaches 1 gig so she’ll be good on a 2 gig plan this august. If you have an upgrade do it now!

    Btw, my reason for picking RAZR over SGIII was the fact that I can’t stand Samsung’s bad track record with call quality. The only quality phone I ever got from them was when I was on AT&T with the Samsung x427. Good reception, good quality and that phone took a BEATING! Otherwise everyone in my family has had a bad experience with Samsung call quality for the past decade and the gnex was no exception. The SGIII looks like a great device and a wonderful screen and features and I’d love to have it but I’ve had no qualms with my Motorola call quality. Screen “sucks” but I personally am fine with it.

    Upgrade folks if you can!

  • kauthor47

    I work for a large blue cell phone retailer. When I made the mention to my Verizon rep that in an ever growing world of technology, and a world where they, Verizon, are building a network for the purpose of allowing us to do things faster, I found it ironic that they find newer ways to limit what we can do with said technology on said network. He was speechless.

  • Eom

    I think one thing is being glossed over slightly. While 75 percent of people here at DL have said that their plans would go up, most of them are now on unlimited and their bills would go up from there. comparing the share plans to what VZW is currently offering to new customers, and some of those people might actually being doing better. Thats my situation, I’m on unlimited and my bill would go up under the new plans, but it would be even higher if i were forced out of unlimited into what they are offering new customers right now

  • King of Nynex

    A few years ago when I worked at AT&T Tech Support, the higher-ups always talked about how they couldn’t wait until they got rid of unlimited data because the days of huge profits on mobile voice/texts were rapidly coming to a close. I was hoping Verizon wouldn’t do this. Welcome to the future.

  • Joshyz73

    For the first time in almost a decade, I will have to SERIOUSLY consider my options when it comes time for a new phone/contract renewal. I don’t really have the money to pay full price for a smartphone, and would see my bill go up at least $20 on these new plans.

    One thing I am curious about though: I have two smartphones on a current family share plan, one with unlimited data, one with 2GB of data. If I were to split those to two individual plans, how does that affect the unlimited data and pricing?

  • guttatae

    Who cares they have the galaxy 3 on all carriers that gives me more than enough reason to leave this over priced pos company I could care less at this point Verizon and whoever made up that pos plan obviously didn’t go to school

  • TheRealCBONE

    It took them forever to work out how to introduce this shared data thing, which should be a minimal accounting adjustment. Basically a lot of contemplation and mockups for them to figure out the best angles to more deeply and thoroughly screw their customers over. AT&T is doing the same thing right now.

  • I have an account with 2 Nexus, unlimited data and I’m paying about $120 a month. The chances that I will stick with Verizon after this contract has expired is pretty slim unless they back down on this new Shared crap. There are a handfull of options in my area that have had long standing offers of Unlimited Talk, Text, Web for $50 a month. Will it be as fast or as stable as Verizon? Nope, but it sure as hell be a lot simpler and less costly and will sure as hell be less hassle then dealing with the BS from Verizon, it’s become very clear over the past year that pleasing their customers is not something they care about anymore and are only focused on how they can strangle every last penny from their customers. I for one, will not play (pay) their game any more.

  • dragonflyr

    It’s a trap!!! agree 100% with you, kellen.

  • Please Google can you launch a Verizon capable Nexus at the $400 price when you launch the new ones, please?

  • Michael Sheldon

    what I don’t get, why the higher charge for feature phones and smart phones? The only difference to the network is data, and they’re charging separately for that.

  • Carlos

    First chance I get, it will good by Big Red.

  • stang6790

    You don’t have to switch from your current plan when you upgrade.you can still upgrade with subsidy keep everything exactly the same except you will have to go to a 2gb data instead of unlimited. I wasn’t sure you could do this and contacted customer service and received an email stating you could. Also Phandroid had the download for the full Verizon training manual and it is stated in it that you can keep your current plan and still upgrade your phone.

  • Winks

    Shared Data is a great idea, but Verizon’s data tiers are priced WAY out of line. It was dumb to have 3 different base charges for 3 different devices when you could have 1 charge for all devices. And everyone knew they would have to switch to a ‘per GB’ structure. Im actually surprised my home internet hasnt done the same.
    Verizon did the right thing, but they got greedy and decided they could charge more for a la carte….which is nonsense… But they will start losing customers to the 2nd tier carriers, Im actually considering straight talk myself when my 2 year runs out.

  • radiohead14

    I feel like the government should investigate this new plan as it would set a precedent to even more outrageous pricing by the other carriers as well. we won’t have much of an option soon once the rest follow this model. look at how Verizon followed AT&T’s tiered pricing. VZW probably thought that since people stuck with AT&T after that, that people are ok with getting nickel & dimed, but part of it was because AT&T was the only iPhone carrier at the time, so alot of people just didn’t have a choice.

    • Droidzilla

      Or it could prompt Verizon’s huge customer base to shed a significant chunk as they migrate toward other providers who offer a better value. Free market, and all that. If Sprint gets their LTE network up in my area by the end of my contract (late 2013), I’ll probably jump ship from Verizon.

      • CopierITGuy

        ^This!

        @radiohead14:disqus Government is not the solution for everything! Take your money and go elsewhere if you want some sort of punishment for VZW. This is what free-market capitalism is all about. You have the choice to go somewhere else if you don’t like what you’re getting with your provider. Other providers offer different solutions, so go pay someone else and stick it to VZW where it hurts! You can still pay $45 for unlimited everything at Straight Talk…just sayin’.

        • wickets

          I think most people would do just that if there was no contract involved, but for me anyway, Ive got another year before i can up and leave

  • interstellarmind

    I dearly hope people calling in to vzw, enraged by their outrageous bills from using VZWs own streaming apps, realizing how much they’ll have to pay to continue their current data usage , their subsequent leaving vzw, will knock some sense into vzw.

    So I peg the revolution as happening in September.

  • vega25

    Multiple thoughts on this excellent post:

    1. If Verizon claims that “customers asked” for these plans, there should be a way to make them show everyone this data. In advertising, firms are not allowed to make unsubstantiated claims, and I would argue that showing people these plans with the statement that “customers asked” for them, should count as advertising and be subject to the same scrutiny.

    2. I think we’ve all got to accept the fundamental fact that prices for data are going up. They’re going up, and what Verizon is doing to mask that fact is draw our attention to the unlimited calls and texts. If Verizon came out and accepted this (but they wouldn’t, because it would be bad marketing) I would still hold onto an ounce of respect for them.

    3. What surprises me is that their multi-line tier pricing: $40 for *each* smartphone in the family plan. If they priced the first smartphone at $40, and subsequent ones for $20 (as opposed to $10 for each line now on limited calling and text plans), they might find people more willing to move to the new plans, despite the more expensive and limited data plans. I agree with @DJ Rose and @Kellex B.

    • TheRealCBONE

      1. Executives and shareholders are typically customers.
      2 & 3. I agree. They could have been smarter about it and punched their competitors in the neck by doing something competitive and bold rather than making a lazy-ass money grab.

  • delta504

    I would love a family share option, HOWEVER, their corporate snake structure of price vs offering would cut an individuals bandwidth allowance in half or worse for the same price. Benefit a few indeed, because people don’t realize that the gap is closing quickly for the “average” user VS a power user, simply because of cloud and streaming services available now and coming in the future. Average users will be caught in a data overage at one point or another guaranteed. Why do I say this?
    Example: My wife – she is the average use who’s been enjoying a new smartphone checking facebook, streaming YouTube, and using Google Music while she is at work (no wifi available – hospital) and she almost went over on her 4GB last month. No heavy browsing, no downloading/uploading, simply using the phone and service as intended and advertised. So, when you family share plan owners “discover” some type of streaming service, get ready to upgrade or pay overages.

  • jathak

    I wouldn’t mind the shared plans (and would actually prefer them) if they actually cost less. Right now, for 700 minutes and unlimited texting shared between 3 smartphone lines (one 2GB and 2 unlimited) and 2 feature phone lines, it costs about $220. To get the same 3 smartphone lines and 2 feature phone lines with 6 GB of data (on average we use 4-5 GB per month in total), it costs $260.

    • That sounds a little low for five lines on your current plan.

      I say this cause I have the same exact plan except only with four phones. I have two smart phones and two feature phones on the family plan. 700 minutes, with unlimited texting on all phones, and unlimited data on one phone and 2GB data on the other. My plan comes to $230 a month for four lines.

      So since you have one extra phone, and it’s a smart phone shouldn’t your plan come to $260 a month currently? And then if you do the math of the new plans, your bill would be about the same.

      If I upgraded those feature phones to smart phones I’d be paying $290 a month for four smart phones. Where as with the shared plan with 6GB, I’d pay $240. Which is $10 more but still a hell of a lot cheaper than the latter.

  • I did a side-by-side comparison of my current plan (5 phones, 1 modem) and the shared plan. The bill would be over $100 per month more expensive on the new plan, and that is including the taxes and fee’s for my current plan vs no taxes or fee’s included in the shared plan.

    I will be buying phones on ebay for a long time, easily cheaper than switching.

  • Keith B

    And verizon even had the nerve to link to DL on it’s Facebook page to help explain the plan….how’s that for trying to add some legitimacy to it?

    I am really beginning to dislike Verizon, which is unfortunate as I have been with them for probably more than 12 years…

    I will be another customer looking for better options very soon…

    • kretz7

      Buy the GSM Nexus from the Play store, go to T-Mobile, and pay $30/month off contract like I do. T-Mobile’s network isn’t as fast as VZW’s, but the majority of the time I have WiFi access. I’ve never been happier.

      • moelsen8

        what plan is that? i just took a quick look through their plans but couldn’t find any at 30. i’m jumping to GSM after my verizon contract is up either way.

        • kretz7
          • moelsen8

            holy sh*t that’s awesome. just hope that’s still around by the time my contract’s winding down next summer. i have wifi pretty much everywhere i go and until it and/or battery tech matures, LTE is more of a novelty that i find myself shutting off more often than not.

          • kretz7

            I definitely agree. I can easily get a day and a half, if not longer out of the battery. I rarely talk on the phone anymore unless there’s something I really urgent I need to say, so 100 minutes, unlimited text/data for $30/mo is a steal.

          • moelsen8

            even at $50 to make sure you always have enough minutes.. what a deal. and you can just pop a sim into any gsm phones for these plans? that’s awesome.

          • Josh Flowers

            just beware of the different data speeds from the $30 model to the $50 model:
            $30 model=100 min talk, unlimited text, the first 5GB’s is at full speed (“4G”)
            $50 model=unlimited min talk, unlimited text, the first 100MB is at full speed (“4G”).

            *note, i’m not here to argue 4g speeds and legitimacy of carrier claims–just stating the website

          • kretz7

            Where I live I bounce in and out of HSPA and 3G. HSPA I get around 4-6 down, 1-3 up and 3G is well, 3G…Yes, you have to read the fine print though 🙂

          • Josh Flowers

            how’s your in-building reception for both Voice and data?
            obviously location will be different–but i’ve heard people say T-MO has poor building penetration.

          • kretz7

            I use WiFi in my building because service is spotty. People have sprint, att, verizon, and t-mo and it’s all about the same so it’s hard to say.

          • moelsen8

            @google-d6127fbfab7e677b28389a3737984fe9:disqus @twitter-333858760:disqus – thanks for the pointers. either way, i’m on wifi so often i don’t think either would bother me all that much. good to know these options exist.

          • Look at the fine print though. For that $50/month plan, they throttle your data after just 100 MEGS. That’s ridiculous. With the $30/month plan, you get 5 Gigs before they throttle you. @kretz7:disqus , do you know how much an overage fees would be if you went over on your minutes for that plan? Cause Idunno I’d be coming in pretty close, I think.

          • kretz7

            I believe it’s 10 cents/min so even if you go over by 100 minutes you’re still looking at $40/mo.

          • BrooklynGirl

            Don’t worry it will still be there.. @kretz7:disqus I was looking for the gsm nexus in the play store but I do not see it. Do they still have it? I bought mine from newegg but i need a new one because it fell in water.

          • moelsen8

            it’s there, under the “devices” tab on the left hand side.. direct link:
            https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=galaxy_nexus_hspa&feature=corpus_selector

      • SleepIT

        Another option is to get that phone, then get a Straight Talk Sim card…their prepaid unlimited everything plan is $45/mo and they have a great service footprint.

  • rich

    I did the math for my family with 4 phones. I will be saving money ans will be switching on the 28th

    • interstellarmind

      Please explain how. I fear DLife is being infiltrated by VZW PR bots. (DLife IS on VZWs radar, as apparently they linked to DLife on their Facebook to explain the share everything fiasco, er, I mean, plan.

      (Taking off my conspiracy nut hat now)

      • Droidzilla

        The only way I can see it being beneficial is for people who talk and text a lot but don’t use a lot of data. What part of that usage scenario screams, “LTE smartphone”? Kellex is right: they’ll try to sell people on the unlimited talk/text aspect, all the while knowing that data is the new king of usage for the future. It’s a smart move by Verizon’ we can only hope that consumers aren’t duped by it (though I have very little faith in consumers).

  • Andrew

    Working in a Verizon store I actually have had tons of customers ask why they couldn’t share data and how much better it would be if they could. However, I don’t think anyone expected Verizon to bend them over so badly with these options. My mother has a smart phone and a tablet and would oddly enough be fine with 1GB between the two. $50 for 1GB is laughable though!
    I have been comparing peoples current plans to the new ones and there are some benefits. It’s definitely less common but for a large family all with smart phones there is money to be saved. For your average customer though Verizon is just screwing you over. I for one have no intention of renewing my contract.

    • Large families, check. Everyone else, screw you. 😛

      • Floski

        4 is a large family now?

      • I have 5 smart phones on my plan. Both mom and dad do not use over a gig of data. Wife, sister and I do. My parents like to talk a lot and have gone over our minutes before. I wouldn’t see us collectively going over 8 gigs of data though. We would save money with the new plan and they could talk more without the threat going over their minutes.

        • I thought I wouldn’t go over 2Gb when I was using a Droid. But now I am using a Galaxy Nexus, which is a 4G phone, I consistently use more than that — the landscape of mobile computing is changing everyday, so does your usage. When I was with my Droid, 3G is soooo slow that I rarely use it to do much. 4G LTE, however, is a different matter. Yes, I don’t use it to stream video, but I am streaming music more frequently. I am also hopping online, reading news, shops a lot more than before.

          • I’m in a non-4G area and 3G is fast. I guess it is all relative. I’ve been on 1X, now THAT is slow.

      • BigRedguy

        Rep rant: After working at Verizon for a couple years I can say with full confidence that everything Verizon does is for two reasons: maintain the BEST network, and make the most money. We’re great at both. However, daily I encounter customers who have an over-developed sense of entitlement… Instead of complaining about your $250+ bill, why don’t you sacrifice those 4 smart phones, get basic phones and cut your bill almost in half? Wireless customers treat their carriers as though we should be some sort of nonprofit public service. Having a cell phone (especially a smart phone) is a commodity and a privilege, not a right. If you can’t afford a Ferrari, get a Honda for goodness sake!

        On to share everything. As much as I could spin this with the best of our marketing team, the reality is that these plans are only BENEFICIAL to customers who have more than one data device one their account. That being said, the focal point should be that Verizon has made it easier and cheaper (truly) for customers to have more data devices, since that’s what the MAJORITY of customers want. Heck, I’ve overheard couples in my store saying “Well let’s buy these 2 Razrs but we’ll just have to be a little late on the car payment..” (+1 on job security for me, right?!) And all these comments about “prices going up” are highly under informed/uneducated claims. Kellex, may I please have my own posting so that I can have room to expound a little more, straighten this thing out and get some informed responses?

        • ChuckDz3

          I see what you are trying to argue, but another point that I have ran into with Verizon is that for example I am grandfathered in to an unlimited data plan. Two phones, 700 mins shared, unlimited texts, and unlimited data for one phone. This plan will kill me because I am the only beneficiary of the data plan. Using Google Music to stream music everyday my data consumption is ridiculous so of course I am going to need it highly.

          But my counter point to your argument is that you say that “well having a cell phone (especially a smart phone) is a commodity”, which I agree but what Verizon forces upon you is that they MAKE you have a smartphone. For example my mom has a basic flip phone and wants a qwerty keyboard so she could text easier, she only has one functional hand because of MS. So I had an old Motorola Q (I know its really old) that I was going to have activated for her so she could use the keyboard, but of course Verizon decided to end that idea because they considered that a smart phone (really!?) and said I HAD to slap a data plan onto it if I was going to activate that phone. So you tell me how that is fair as a Verizon Wireless representative? You say get a basic phone if you can’t offered these new plans, ok well how are we suppose to if we are forced into these new data plans?

          I think your missing the big picture here, Verizon is out to make money at any cost including their loyal customers. Of course as a 10+ year loyal customer I think we have the right to come in and complain about these new changes.

          • LTB

            Suggestion – put your moms phone on page plus cellular, leave yours on Verizon. That’s how our family works.

        • Well, the prices are really going up for me. And I thought that my cell phone bill was already too big.
          No offence Big Red, you have a right to do that you doing, sure, but I’ll be looking for a different carrier. You not the only game in town.

        • cphilano

          What a phallic argument. First of all, to be honest, a mobile phone period is a commodity and a privilege not a right whether smartphone or not. Some people actually need a smartphone for their jobs, and they certainly can’t afford a Ferrari.

          Most people haven’t been arguing a sense of entitlement angle on here. They are arguing a fairness angle. The customers are upset that the wireless carrier that beats its chest like King Kong is actually squeezing them on data pushing them to rely on WiFi more than the network. You keep saying that this will help people with multiple devices, but this is based off the idea that these device could feasibly stay under these data limits. New tech is churning out every month chewing up data with its “always on” culture. It’s already been shown plenty that a lot of people on here with more than one device don’t benefit at all from these plans so you can’t make the generalization that this easier or cheaper or that it’s what the Majority of customers want. The fact that customers are being forced onto these plans instead of it being offered as a choice speaks volumes.

          Day in and day out Verizon is pushing their customers into buying smartphones while touting their super fast data network that can stream video and music, and now it’s clamping the data to unreasonably low data usage.

      • Go Hawkeyes

        It won’t save money for all large families Kellex. I have a wife and 5 kids. 4 smart phones and 3 dumb phones. All smart phones have grandfathered unlimited data. My plan is for unlimited texts and 1400 minutes of voice of which we use at most 200 a month that are billable. Between the 4 smart phones we use about 15-20GB of data a month. My bill right now is about $275 with taxes. Under the new plan I’d be at $250 before taxes just for the basic access. Then toss in $100 for 10GB of data, plus $10 for 2GB more, then $15 for each additional GB. So on a 20GB month that’s $480 before taxes. My youngest 3 are triplets and have the dumb phones. They are going to want smart phones soon. Maybe I can stretch it a couple more years. But when that time comes not only will the basic access charges increase by a combined $30 a month, but data consumption will likely nearly double. Another 20GB at $15 per is an additional $300 a month. That brings it to $810 a month before taxes. Round it up to a grand a month with taxes.

        I guess this is just Verizon’s way of punishing me for buying beer instead of condoms 16 years ago.

        • IMA_210

          Dont forget your $30 per device, upgrade fee, and your $35 dollar activation for each of those devices. I pitched a fit last week over these fee’s. I explained to the Verizon tech who took my call, that I have 8, yes EIGHT devices on my account. 4 smarthphones with unlimited data, one feature phone, two Home Phone Connects and a hot spot. If you figure upgrade fee’s, $240 per device upgrade fee and $280 activation fees. for a total of $520 per upgrade cycle? Really? Your going to charge me to upgrade? And expect a two year contract? I dont think so. I havent see it yet, however I was told that they would credit my account that $30.

        • Stop whining

          Love your rant but dont beleive you accurately portrayed your current plan as there isn’t way to have 7 lines on a 1400 min plan and you pricing for the new plans are so far from being correct I think you are just trying to bitch about a big corporation making changes when you have very few of accurate details. Also you are either charged a upgrade fee or activation fee never both.

          • Go Hawkeyes

            You’re obviously bad at math. My calculations are correct.

            Basic fee is $250 (4 smart phones * $40 + 3 dumb phones *$30)
            $100 for 10GB
            $10 for 2GB more
            $15 per GB * 8 more GB = $120

            250+100+10+120 = $480

            Upgrade that to 7 total smart phones and double the data.
            7 smart phones * $40 = $280 basic fee
            $100 for 10GB
            $10 for 2GB more
            $15 per GB * 28 more GB = $420

            280+100+10+420 = $810 before tax.

            I took the rates directly from a previous post here on DL.

            Also, I do have 7 lines on a 1400 minute plan. That may not be possible to do right now, but it was when I added the 3 dumb phones for the triplets a couple years ago.

            Now obviously if I were forced into the family data plans it would be advantageous to split it up into 2-3 total plans or even 4 plans with 10GB of data each to avoid the extremely high $15/GB overage.

            And I didn’t even mention anything about upgrade fees or activation fees. But I see now that you aren’t intelligent enough to actually reply to the correct person for that comment. Next time before you go spouting off about how you think someone is just trying to complain try to make sure you don’t make yourself look like an idiot in the process.

          • As far as I recall it’s NEVER been possible to have more than 5 phones total on a single family account. Do you have a business account or 2 family accounts?

        • Adam Brandt

          Haha, that was great. Thanks for giving me a laugh in this otherwise depressing topic

        • Gregg

          You’re doing it wrong™. According to the information given to us, the tier stops at 30GB of data for $200. Why you’re assuming you can only have 12gb of data cap is beyond me. Again, this is the case of people not knowing all the information and assuming they know everything.

      • Fattie McDoogles

        As someone who has worked for VZW and authorized retailers… I can definitely say that I have been asked on NUMEROUS occasions for shared data… however that was for shared unlimited data…

    • vega25

      Yes, but in a 2-member household with 2 smartphones, the new plan is more expensive. Again, what they’re doing is screwing the largest base of customers.

      • My family has 4 smartphones, and we still won’t save a buck, even if we are not having unlimited data. Basically, assuming the standard data cap per member is 2Gb (before & after), you will pay more unless you are currently with unlimited voice.

        • lp894

          only if you have 450 minutes AND a 2gb cap. any other combination and you’re saving. even with 900 minutes, a 2gb cap and only 1000 texts, you’re still looking at $100 which with the new plans will get you the same 2gb cap, unlimited minutes, AND unlimited texting.

      • lp894

        i don’t see how UNLESS you don’t have unlimited texting OR if you’re on separate plans. If you have unlimited texting then you’re looking at MINIMUM (on a shared plan) of $100 for 700 minutes and unlimited texting. even if you have 2gb of data each you’re looking at $160. On the new plans you’re looking at $40 + 40 + $70 for 4gb of data total. That’s only $150.

        Now if you’re on separate plans you’re looking at (per line) $40 for 450 minutes, $20 for unlimited texting, and $30 for 2gb of data. so you’d be spending an additional $10/line. Personally though…unless you don’t even come close to going over, the extra $10/month to have unlimited minutes would be worth it. HOWEVER…to each his/her own. So if what you have is just fine, then you’re RIGHTFULLY upset.

        • vega25

          From unlimited data + 4 GB data on 2 phones right now, I get demoted in your example to a total of 4 GB data to be shared between the 2 phones??

          My monthly access charge is $140 right now. With 6GB shared data, it goes up to $160. A difference of $20 a month. For limited data.

          With the future in the cloud and VoIP, I don’t need unlimited calling and unlimited texting. I need data. Verizon know this, and as I have said elsewhere in the comments to this post, is making data more expensive and scarce.

          • lp894

            Coming from unlimited data then yea, these plans are WAY more expensive IF you use your unlimited data(which if you’re like me, you do). But if both of us are honest with ourselves, MOST people wouldn’t use 30gb of data/month like I do or a few others on here do. And honestly, if I got internet service at home, I wouldn’t use any more than MAYBE 10 gb/month. And honestly, only reason I use so much data now is because I can. When I was with t-mobile, I was using about 6-7gb/month. Now that I CAN use more…I do.

            But honestly, if you use less than 5gb of data/month(which MOST ppl do) these plans are less expensive. Yes, ppl like me and you are being shafted beyond belief. But honestly, we can’t expect to have Time Warner/Comcast speeds for data, and pay $30/month forever. You and I both have to admit that. No matter how much it sucks for us.

    • MyStroPro

      Precisely. The only types of customers that benefit from this arrangement is mediocre data users who have numerous data devices. My family has 2 smartphones and a feature phone, and would kill for like a 500 min / unlimited text / unlimited shared data plan. We don’t use data that much, but I’m way against caps. Enlarge bandwidth if you have to — it didn’t affect speed on a well established 3G network (i.e. not AT&T when the iPhone dropped).

      Low level caps like those proposed are dangerous as these devices get more powerful. Think of it this way — if gaming took off one these devices (like it did on PC and consoles) and your data is throttled significantly, then users will be frustrated with the technology. This hurts both adoption and use in the long run (which I suppose a company may not care too much about as long as people buy the device in the first place). You can apply the same argument to streaming media use as well. Adoption will suffer in the long run.

      I also priced out a friend’s plan if they separated from their parents. Their parents had 2 feature phones, and she has a smartphone with unlimited data. It’d be dumb for her to go on her own because her parents barely use their mobile devices (in other words, they barely burn any minutes). This pricing scheme just exasperates the problem.

      If Verizon was interested in throttling data for the customer it would focus on a cost-effective mechanism to encourage people to use less data. That’s not the case here. They are simply trying to hike up prices on what user’s burn through the most.

    • TheRealCBONE

      Looked at this for my family with 4 Sprint smartphones with heavy data usage. It would be cheaper to break a Verizon contract, pay ETFs, and get new phones on Sprint by hundreds of dollars over a year.

      • SleepIT

        Too bad Sprint’s coverage is so poor in most areas…

        • And, don’t hold your breath for too long. Once their network is upgraded to LTE, I have no doubt that unlimited data will be a history.

          • Chuckers

            What’s your theory behind this? Currently Unlimited data is their differentiating factor what makes you think they’ll want to give that up?

          • Diablo81588

            Agreed. They obviously don’t care about network quality as evidence of their crap 3g network. If Sprint took away unlimited, no one would have a reason to switch to them.

    • 1MPR0BUS

      So have you encountered any power users who plan on paying full retail to keep their unlimited? How is Verizon advising you to handle people willing to pay full retail to keep their unlimited data. I am curious as to how the corporation feels about people going off contract to keep unlimited data. Is the subset of us unlimited data users so small they don’t care? Some inside information would be nice. Any comments or information is appreciated. The reason I ask this is because when I go off contract is Verizon going to wave the magic wand and change my service without my knowledge since technically I have no contract or do the terms of the previous contract apply…. I think we need a lawyer.

      • Andrew

        Obviously Verizon’s opinion is that with a network better than any other carrier they can justify the charge. Verizon seems to think that people will be unwilling to buy their phones full retail, but in my opinion they are oblivious to how outraged their customer base is. I don’t know if anyone remembers the $10 data fee on the EnV3, but I think Verizon is making that mistake all over again but ten fold.
        I honestly do see some benefit to these plans for non heavy data users but they NEED to adjust their data rates. They are just incredibly unrealistic and plain illogical.

        • 1MPR0BUS

          Does Verizon realize that its actually cheaper over the 2 years to buy a phone outright or are they hoping that people don’t do the math and just accept higher data rates, terrible shared plans, and terrible data amounts. For me personally for how much data I use if I stay on my current plan and just buy a phone outright every 2 years i actually save like ~$600. Verizon banks on people not thinking about their purchases.

          • Josh Flowers

            it’s the same as a 15yr mortgage vs 30yr mortgage. do you want to pay less monthly with a 30 yr, or more monthly with a 15yr? sometimes the more expensive initial purchase can save tons of money in the long run.

            i’m paying the ETF with the wifey & going to T-MO’s $30/mo plan for 5GB data & 100 minutes talk time…only i’m jumping into Google Voice & a VOIP app to handle any heavy conversations.

          • Tyler Chappell

            I still don’t get how buying a phone outright is in the slightest cheaper? Say you buy a $200 subsidized phone, then pay $30 a month for data for 2 years, that’s $920.
            Say you buy a phone outright for about 400-600, then same $30 a month and since you bought a decent phone, its super easy for you to keep it for 2 years even though you’re not on a contract, so about $1120-$1320; and if you buy another phone before those 2 years, then you’re paying even more and still paying $30 a month for data, so how in the hell is that cheaper?
            Like, am I somehow missing something huge here? Do you magically not have to pay for a monthly data plan when you buy a phone at full retail?

          • 1MPR0BUS

            I use on average 10 gigs of data per month. So lets do some math over a 2 year contract.

            Tiered Plan 10 Gigs of Data = $70 per month or $1680 over 2 years
            Subsidized Phone for $200
            Total Cost = 1680+200 = $1880

            Keep Unlimited Data = $30 per month or $720 over 2 years
            Unsubsidized phone for $650
            Total Cost = 650 + 720 = $1370

            Savings over the 2 years = $510

          • Tyler Chappell

            Thank you a lot for this example! Every time I had seen someone saying how it is cheaper for them, they never gave a clear/detailed example. So I guess it ultimately depends on just how much data you use. I consider myself a moderately heavy user because I know I use more data than most, theres been a few times I’ve downloaded 300MB+ custom ROMS directly to my phone, and even then I rarely seem to get above 2GB.
            I need to spend the next few months trying to rely heavily on streaming pandora and Google Music just so I have a good idea of how much I’ll realistically be using with heavy use.

        • King of Nynex

          So Verizon actually thinks saving a couple hundred dollars is worth altering your plan and never being able to change it back? Interesting.

        • AlexKCMO

          I have to say, Verizon must have their heads so far up their ass they can see through their mouth.

          I used to buy feature phones off contract, and post college, saving up for a couple of months won’t hurt me to keep unlimited data. My wife holds her phones until they fall apart (she didn’t even want to upgrade, only reason she did is to keep unlimited data and get 4G).

          In this economy, people WILL switch to save money. It’s inevitable. Friends of mine on Sprint, AT&T, and T-Mobile said their signal is good enough for them. With data something that needs to be watched, and WiFi being available more often then not, network reliability is only important to Power Users… those of us who will pay full retail to keep unlimited data.

          Idiots.

          I guess GeeBees are the new minutes. I wonder what the next thing will be.

          • Gadgetskopf

            I’m with you there. We don’t even have 4G in our area (yet, hopefully), but I forced a 4G upgrade on my wife before 6/28. Future-wise? You bet I’ll be willing to pay full retail. I’ve got 2 smartphones and 1 feature phone on my plan, 1400 shared minutes (that we *NEVER* come close to), unlimited txt/pic/vid messaging, and unlimited data (on all 3 lines… overkill for feature phone, I know, but it will get replaced with a hand-me-down one of these days), and it comes in at around $150/mo. Since I use around 2gigs a month, and my wife’s data usage is now climbing, figuring on the 4gig plan takes my bill up to $180, and that would climb to $190 when the feature phone gets upgraded, so figuring $30*24months=$720, yeah, I think full retail is in my foreseeable future. I’ll admit my plan was a one-off promotion Verizon offered “on the sly” a while ago, but even that plan was supposed ‘only $20/phone/mo to add more lines’, but they back-tracked on that quickly enough when they first implemented shared data and did away with unlimited options. I would be much happier with them as a company if they just said ‘this is how it will be going forward, but grandfathered plans remain intact (as a thank you for those of you who have been with us so long)’. I mean, there’s going to be constantly influx of new customers. I can’t see the percentage of folks retaining unlimited data as being that large. Even if you take away my ability to purchase subsidized phones, it would be nice to stick to what was originally promised with I switched to this plan. I’ve got two kids who will be hitting teens soon enough, it would have been nice to be able to add them to my plan. Oh well, I guess they need to learn to monitor their data usage in this day and age.

          • C-Law

            I have the same plan. Two smart phones, one dumb phone. Both smart phones on unlimited. 1400 minutes. Unlimited mobile to mobile and unlimited txt. I pay $180 after a 18% discount. I dunno how in the hell u pay $150. Must be nice!

          • doug

            Some plans allow a discount of the unlimited data portion. For instance I have 1 Smart phone and 1 Dumb phone I get a 20 percent discount of my monthly plan and I get a 20 percent discount off my unlimited data. I pay 23.99 for unlimited data. I should of put a 2nd smart phone on my account at the time but messed that up.

      • Steve Wojciechowski

        They would need to notify you, typically in writing, in order to change the terms of your service.

    • King of Nynex

      I think the real kicker in the new Shared Data plans is the fact that Verizon is charging customers an extra ten dollars a month for tablets using data they already paid for.

      • rcpa

        So buy a WiFi tablet instead and use it for free on your phone’s WiFi hotspot which is included with no extra charge in the Share Everything plan.

        • c4v3man

          Agreed, I think $10 for tablet access is actually pretty reasonable.

          • King of Nynex

            But you are already paying for the shared data pool. The tablet doesn’t use voice or text, so basically you are paying ten dollars for a device to access a service you’ve already paid for.

    • RockRDR

      How do you figure a large family no I have to share 4 gig with my whole family, Does this “family have teenagers??? there is 10 gigs right there!! Verizon sucks

    • not my large family… we have 5 android phones all on unlimited data plans right now and while my mom rarely uses much data the rest of us average a total of around 50-60gb a month… yeah we’re data hogs but what the heck is the point of 4g if you don’t use it?! Our bill his high enough now, I can’t imagine what it would be if we had to share data and we were over by so much all the time… geez

    • Work at a Verizon store but don’t have the employee plan? You’re getting screwed.

    • how do they go $30 for unlimited data to $50 for 1gb. WHAT? WHAT UNIVERSE IS THIS!?

  • If I were to change to their shared plans. My bill would increase $120 (before taxes) and I would loose my unlimited data. Epic Fail Verizon…Epic Fail…

    • after the debacle with GNex updates on Verizon, don’t hold your breath to ever see another Verizon Nexus device.

  • Adam

    I’ll be leaving Verizon before my next upgrade because of these plans. Pre-paid ftw. Yes, I won’t get quite as good coverage and probably no LTE coverage, but not worth it to me to have to pay more and sign another contract. Peace out VZW, you blew it.

    • Just pay full price for your phones from now on, and you’ll never have to switch to these new bullcrap plans.

      • Adam

        It’s more like a last straw thing. VZW has the best coverage where I live and more LTE than anyone else, but they’ve messed up too many times. I also don’t really care to pay >600 bucks for a phone.

        • Yeah, I hear ya. I’d love to leave Verizon, but I’ll pay a bit extra to get amazing coverage and crazy fast LTE. They really got us by the balls.

  • Mudokon83

    I just bought a new phone (galaxy nexus) on swappa so i could keep my unlimited data. No way am I going 4g with shared data plans…

  • The words “Verizon” and “benefit customers” simply don’t go together.

    • ocdtrekkie

      I’m a Verizon customer, and it benefits me. *shrug*

      • tvjrc603

        Would you care to provide a scenario?

        • My bill is about 195 now, 2 smartphones with unlimited and a tablet with 1g and a corp discount. Under the new plan, even on the 10gb plan, it’ll be about 170. Both before tax. I highly doubt i’ll go over 10gb.

          • ces

            With what I read above you will pay $90 (for just data) for the 2 smartphones and the tablet to share 1Gb hmmm all other phone plans are sounding better Remember 1Gb shared not each

          • lp894

            How did you get that? 2 smartphones and a tablet are 90. add the 10gb of data and that $190. Still $5 less if he’s not going over $10. AND remember, on his old account if he has unlimited minutes, he won’t get a corp discount. according to what i’ve been told by verizon, you can get the corp discount on the new unlimited plans. so if you use mine as an exacmple, I get 22% off. that’s a new total of $148.20. But again, even without the corp discount, you looking at a savings of $5. not much…but still a savings.

          • Carlos Rey

            But why pay $10 for the tablet….remember that under the new plan you can share your data AKA tethering….I will be open to tether so just use your phone and save $10 a month.

          • lp894

            If it’s a wi-fi only version, you’re not gonna pay extra for it. If it’s a data enabled device, then you’d want to select the appropriate data plan. Currently a 2gb data plan on verizon for a tablet is $30. Lets say you have a 5gb data plan on your smart phone and a tablet, thats currently $80 plus your plan which is we’ll say the 450 minutes at $40, plus texting at a minimum of 10. you’re looking at 80+40+10 so $130. now you can get unlimited minutes for 40, 8gb of data for 90, and the add on for 10. so that’s 150. $10 more but you’re getting an extra gb of data. BUT you could also keep the tablet as a separate line and pay $40 for 4gb….so $10 for you’re getting an extra 2 gb of data….still a win in my book

        • ocdtrekkie

          I posted my math above. If you sort by oldest comments, you’ll find me at the top. It ends up probably saving me $60/month or a little more.

          • Jarred Sutherland

            You guys are looking at the here and now, where streaming and cloud based storage are really just taking off. I guarantee data usage is just going to go up. Verizon is banking on this, they don’t want you saving money … they want you feeding it to them.

          • exactly. Verizon will never do something to save you money for no reason at all. look at how we’re all fighting for what we have now. if this was TRULY money saving they would let us have what we have now since were “happy spending more.” its just logical.

        • ntxct

          Currently: Family plan, Unlimited Data, 3 GNexs’ 1 Blackberry Bold. Because 2 of the GNexs’ are parent owned, and the BB is only used for email our total average bandwidth is less than 1GB a month. (Working from home wifi, using the internal memory instead of streaming GMusic… its possible to not use much, and that’s without trying) We currently pay $270.

          New Plan: 4 smartphones x $40 + $50 for 1GB = $210 before taxes, a $60 savings… lets assume I go over the 1GB but not over a total of 2… still a $45 savings.

          • Christian Bennett

            Use your phone as I tended in this decade, stream music, check your favorite spots on the internet and download new games to try. Join us in our data usage.

      • grocka

        what a worthless comment.

        • ocdtrekkie

          what a worthless comment.

          • Mitchell Torres

            what a worthless comment.

          • Greg

            lol

      • WAldenIV

        Customer or employee?

        • ocdtrekkie

          I am not and have never been an employee of any wireless network provider, or any part of the mobile industry, for that matter. I work for a printing company.

  • Buy This

    It benefits us because we were paying a ton for minutes and text plus the unlimited data. Now its just my mom and I (iphone and bionic respectively) we use just under 4 gb between us and thats two smartphones so at 160-170 a month the new share everything is saving us 40-50 since we were overpaying so much for minutes before i guess

  • iamcc

    Good post. I was also trying to find something positive even going as far as to tell people “don’t worry, the plans probably won’t really make a dramatic difference for most users” but after reading everything over with the new plans I find I wrong…

  • David Cohen

    It is a good thing for big plans. For 1-3 lines it is more expensive.

  • GF1 Fanatic

    Where do I sign onto the class action lawsuit? Verizon is ripping us off.

    • jathak

      Unfortunately there’s no legal action that you can do. You are not forced onto this plan until you upgrade, and when you upgrade you sign a contract. You can always buy phones at full price (hopefully Google will make this easy with the next Nexi) or switch carriers.

  • lp894

    The Only time really works for your benefit is if you have 1 line and have a tablet or plan on tethering. Current i pay.60/month just for data plus another 30.for my tablet. And that didn’t infuse my minutes. With the most expensive plan I’m saving like 50/month. Other than someone in my situation it’s terrible

  • Angryunibrow

    This is why I will be buying my phones directly from Google and using Straight Talk for $45.00/Mo. Goodbye Verizon

  • Chris

    This would save me about $20 a month if I took the 10GB data option … but I’d be giving up unlimited data on my nexus in exchange for sharing data between the nexus and the xoom. Not worth it in my opinion, I’d rather pay $20 more keep my unlimited and tether when I need data on the xoom.

    • Sting

      Hows fast is the internet connection on the XOOM when you tether via the nexus?

  • You’d have to be downright stupid to believe that Verizon did this to benefit the consumer. Companies that have to answer to investors don’t make decisions based on how their customers feel. They make decisions based on how their investors will feel. It’s a money game. Always has been. Always will.

  • Murphy

    Ugh, I’d switch to Sprint if they had a better network.

    • it may be worth it, im trying to convince my parents

  • DJ Rose

    Personally the only problem I have with this is the cost. I like the concept, I can see where it would be very useful, but not with their proposed pricing model.

    • I feel the same way. The concept is kinda cool, but when you compare the data pricing to single lines, it’s almost unbelievable. Share plans 2GB for $60, but single lines it would be 2GB for $30. Or $70 for 4GB, but a solo line would be 5GB for $50.

      • I was hoping that I’d be able to activate more devices under these plans. Think about this: I travel for work sometimes, I’d totally pay for data at a reasonable cost if I could activate my iPad, a hotspot, and my phone, but only pay for what I use. That way, when I’m not travelling, I pay nothing on my hot spot or my tablet, but when I do travel, I can share the data on those devices. The months that I travel I’d gladly pay a little extra for the increased data usage. A little extra, not what they’re charging right now.

      • Droidzilla

        This is the real issue with this plan. I would love to see shared data (if we must have limited data) because I use a lot and my wife uses very little, but it makes no sense to charge more for the same amount of data. If both my wife and I pay $30 a month for 2GB of data each, I’d rather spend $60 a month on 4GB of shared data. I’m on unlimited, but if I weren’t that would be a benefit for me. But to pay the same $60 and only get 2GB to share instead of 2GB each? That makes no sense.

        • EC8CH

          Makes no sense for you.

          Make LOTS of cents for VZW.

          • Gcombs

            And dollars too…

        • Jon

          Agreed. If they lowered the per device cost down by $10 for smart phones and feature phones, and dropped the price to $30 / 2 gigs with a $10 / 2 gig increase thereafter, then this would be a whole different story.

          We let them get away with obscene rates for text messages, that they were even able to charge twice (once for the receiver, once for the sender). Thus they are emboldened to continue gouging wherever they can.

          It’s absolutely absurd and everyone should write their congressman telling them that if they want US broadband access to keep up with the rest of the world, then the telecoms must be kept from gouging customers for internet access.

          If data hogging was the real proplem, they could still keep data affordable, and simply throttle speeds after 5 gigs of use, just like T-Mobile does. This is about far more than limiting data hogs, this is about gouging the consumer.

      • Tristan Cunha

        I really like the concept too, and if the plans came with a reasonable amount of data I might actually be excited for them. I could see myself canceling my cable modem and using a 4g hotspot instead, and it would be a good incentive to upgrade the feature phone on our shared plan to a smart phone. I would probably even end up spending more with Verizion if the plans came with enough data (probably 2 times as much at these price levels) and would feel like I was getting a pretty good deal. Or, if they offered a plan that was cheaper, but didn’t subsidize the phone I could get behind that too. Most people probably would have a bit of sticker-shock when asked to pay what phones really cost, but they would save in the long term. This new “shared” plan is just a price hike, and it’s a big one. There’s not even any savings for sharing, besides the fact that if you don’t use all your data, someone else can use it. But with such high prices for every gig of data, there’s not going to be a lot of extra going around. And on top of that I’m going to have to start paying closer attention to every little thing I do on my phone. If I switched, what would the result be? I’d use less data on VZ, and more data from Comcast and WIFI at work and on the road, and wouldn’t have any incentive to use their network more. If they priced these plans more reasonably (at least comparably to current prices) than I might actually use their network more, pay them more, and have an incentive to switch more of my data usage over to their network. I don’t understand what kind of long term plan they have that involves lowering demand for their product.

      • Thanks_Verizon

        Great article! Definitely summed up my feelings and many others on Verizon’s new plans. For me, I have four smartphones, all with unlimited data, text and 1,400 shared minutes- unfortunately all four are up for new phones in July. Looks like I will be switching to Sprint in November, when my contract is up as my bill will be going up more then $50 per month with only the $8GB shared plan. I am not willing to pay Verizon over $600 more per year for less data, not to mention I only use about half of the 1,400 minutes each month (which makes the unlimited talk in the new plans useless.)
        Thanks Verizon, you will be losing many customers with these new plans, especially your long time customers with 10+ years of wireless service.

      • Justaskin

        Look at it this way current basic plan for two smartphones is 99.99 for 700 min unlimited text then 30×2 for 2gb of data a piece = $160 now same 2 smartphones get unlimited talk and text plus 4gb to use however they want and it is only $150. I get it for grandfathered people and no one is forcing them to change but compared to recent plans how is it worse?

    • kevintufts

      I’m kinda with you too, but part of the concept still doesn’t make
      sense. Hotspots and tablets should be free to connect to the plan. Its
      either a utility model or its not. Imagine if your electric company
      charged by how many lights you plugged in and charged more for
      refrigerators. I get charging for the phones since they use minutes,
      but feature vs smart should be the same.

    • T4rd

      I concur also. If/when I’m forced into this new plan when my contract is up (still have about 20 months left), I will give them an ultimatum; give me the highest tier of data for the same price that I’m paying now for unlimited data (2x $30 ($60) for two smartphones), or I’m leaving them for Sprint. I’m hoping by the time my contract is up, Sprints LTE network will be somewhat large and they will still offer unlimited data. They better still offer it because it’s really the only thing they have over the competition at the moment.

      • Steve Wojciechowski

        I’m with you on this one, and also plan to do the same. I think we are leaving Verizon anyways (after 10+ years) due to the poor experience we have had as of late with my wife’s (5) replacement phones.

    • DavidH

      Agreed entirely. Good concept. Terrible, gouging implementation.

  • ocdtrekkie

    My family stands to save around $80-100/month with Share Everything. Also… I definitely count as one of the people who is a customer who has asked for this ability. Especially when there are issues like my mother having to have a full-size data plan for her minimal data usage, while I might potentially hit overages on my device?

    If I need 3 GBs, and she only uses 500 MB, and we’re both on 2 GB plans… why should I get hit with an overage?

    • If I am now paying ten bucks a line for feature phone, why should I have to another $20 under the new plan? Why is data now $30 for 2GB, but in ten days going to be $50 for one?

      • ocdtrekkie

        You’re not paying $10/line to use a feature phone. You pay for minutes and texts as separate items, and now you don’t.

        The plan is obviously not ideal for everyone, it definitely caters to a specific crowd. But the author’s opinion that nobody was really asking for it, and that it helps noone is a farce.

        • Nobody is asking for your opinion either, but you sure seem happy to offer it. This is a blog.

        • BulletTooth_Tony

          Humor us and give a break down of your current plan and what it would be with share everything.

          • ocdtrekkie

            I think I actually hit a little extra on the above savings estimate by failing to account for taxes, $60 a month savings.

            Three smartphones on unlimited data, two with mobile hotspot addon, and two featurephones. We have a 1400 minute plan, I believe. We probably use about 6 GB of data monthly. If I recall correctly, our average bill is around $345 after taxes and fees (which I think are around $20), and the before taxes value from the Share Everything calculator was $260ish. So $280ish with taxes, about a $60 savings.

            As a side bonus, we passed on a data plan for one of the featurephones, and the young user of said phone ended up using 124 MB… a palty $260 charge to our bill. Share Everything will also save us from incidences like that, and we won’t have to pay more to add a data plan for his line, which we were considering. Having Share Everything last month alone would’ve saved us the equivalent of *eight months* on a data plan!

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            Thank you. The savings lies in not needing the hotspots add-on. The same would also apply to those adding in tablets… 10 dollars per tablet, instead of 30 now.

          • ocdtrekkie

            And if it wasn’t for those hotspots, price would be about even, would it not? And as such, we’ll get hotspot capability on the device which didn’t have it before, as well as I mentioned, the feature phones getting data access basically for free. A lot of added features for the same price when you’re in the five-phone level.

            The plan isn’t for everyone, but saying that it benefits nobody, and nobody asked for it, is as I said, a farce. I mean, obviously Verizon wasn’t going to take a 30% cut in it’s income to switch over.

            Hopefully, over time, competition will push the price of data down.

          • BulletTooth_Tony

            So for some reason I can only see our replies on the notification bar… and not even on the disqus dashboard. Anyway… yes, that’s why I mentioned the hotspots. Others that use that, or tablets, may appreciate the insight instead of minute vs minute comparisons.

      • TheRealCBONE

        If you don’t look at it or think about it, it makes sense.

      • Kevin Kelly

        And why don’t they at least let you roll data over each month. My biggest problem is the 3 or 4 months out of the year that I go over 4 or 5 GB.. Much of the time I stay below 2 GB. But because I know (and I’m sure Verizon knows too) that I will incur heavy overage charges at least 25% of the year, it makes no sense for me to move away from unlimited data.