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Google Speaks Out on the “Hostile, Organized Campaign” by Apple, Microsoft and Oracle To Stop Android Through “Bogus Patents”


David Drummond the Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer at Google, just released a pretty epic statement.  If you ever wanted to know their feelings on the ridiculous patent situation that Apple, Microsoft and Oracle have brought forth towards Android, then you’ll want to read this.  Some incredibly strong words that I couldn’t agree with more.  

Here is the piece in its entirety:

I have worked in the tech sector for over two decades. Microsoft and Apple have always been at each other’s throats, so when they get into bed together you have to start wondering what’s going on. Here is what’s happening:

Android is on fire. More than 550,000 Android devices are activated every day, through a network of 39 manufacturers and 231 carriers. Android and other platforms are competing hard against each other, and that’s yielding cool new devices and amazing mobile apps for consumers.

But Android’s success has yielded something else: a hostile, organized campaign against Android by Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and other companies, waged through bogus patents.

They’re doing this by banding together to acquire Novell’s old patents (the “CPTN” group including Microsoft and Apple) and Nortel’s old patents (the “Rockstar” group including Microsoft and Apple), to make sure Google didn’t get them; seeking $15 licensing fees for every Android device; attempting to make it more expensive for phone manufacturers to license Android (which we provide free of charge) than Windows Mobile; and even suingBarnes & Noble, HTC, Motorola, and Samsung. Patents were meant to encourage innovation, but lately they are being used as a weapon to stop it.

A smartphone might involve as many as 250,000 (largely questionable) patent claims, and our competitors want to impose a “tax” for these dubious patents that makes Android devices more expensive for consumers. They want to make it harder for manufacturers to sell Android devices. Instead of competing by building new features or devices, they are fighting through litigation.

This anti-competitive strategy is also escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they’re really worth. Microsoft and Apple’s winning $4.5 billion for Nortel’s patent portfolio was nearly five times larger than the pre-auction estimate of $1 billion. Fortunately, the law frowns on the accumulation of dubious patents for anti-competitive means — which means these deals are likely to draw regulatory scrutiny, and this patent bubble will pop.

We’re not naive; technology is a tough and ever-changing industry and we work very hard to stay focused on our own business and make better products. But in this instance we thought it was important to speak out and make it clear that we’re determined to preserve Android as a competitive choice for consumers, by stopping those who are trying to strangle it.

We’re looking intensely at a number of ways to do that. We’re encouraged that the Department of Justice forced the group I mentioned earlier to license the former Novell patents on fair terms, and that it’s looking into whether Microsoft and Apple acquired the Nortel patents for anti-competitive means. We’re also looking at other ways to reduce the anti-competitive threats against Android by strengthening our own patent portfolio. Unless we act, consumers could face rising costs for Android devices — and fewer choices for their next phone.

And as always, we’ll leave it open for discussion.

Via: Google Blog

  • Rob Becker

    Wouldn’t it be great if they paid 4.5 billion dollars for patents and then they couldn’t do a damn thing with them.  Yes, that would be great. Listen to the long version about how absurd this situation is here http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/when-patents-attack

  • Anonymous

    The truth is no one wants these phones to increase in price but thanks to apple it might happen!!! Sore losers.. Take the icrap and bring out something new that people want.

  • Anonymous

    They can’t beat the Android, Miscrosoft is almost dead and they made a deal with the devil(apple) to live again. Only problem is apple is almost on life support itself. With the influx of Android phones and Ice Cream Sandwich on its way, there is no way for apple to keep up!!!!! Android has spread like cancer to every home around the world.

    The only thing apple can do is copy off of Android and present it as Magical to all of the isheep that drinks the kool-aid, oh wait Steve Jobs already copied off Android with iOS. If you can’t beat them then copy them and sue them is Steve Jobs model!!!!!!!! Pathetic individual.

    • While I agree Apple is the devil in this case, I’ll say that they’re hardly on life-support. If you think Apple isn’t making money, you’re just in denial.

      • Anonymous

        I should have expressed myself more clearly, by life support I mean that  daily apple is losing market share and customers due to the fact Android is dominating on activations. iOS is becoming the dinosaur of the OS’s, people want something more due to the competition’s portfolio. I know apple is making money, I’m speaking in terms of smartphone domination and soon to be tablets. Apple has been riding the same old iOS for 4 years now with a minor feature here and there with a new app and people have evolved in technology to know that there is more. So yes life support when it comes to smartphones, android is taking over . and now that we have seen what iOS 5 looks like, I can’t wait to see Icecream. There goes another 5oo,000 activations!!! iOS 5 is more of the same, how many times can you add a different feature and call it magical?

  • Anonymous


  • Can anyone say “jealousy?” 

  • their afraid. it finally hit them that android is the future. we the online droid life community will support anything google decides to do regarding the matter.

  • Anonymous

    Here here!!

  • Hgriffin1

    Patent Litigation has been a boom business for lawyers in the tech sector for years. “This American Life” just did a show about this very subject: Episode 441: When Patents Attack!. 
    This is a distressing trend that is sucking the life out of innovation…. Patent Trolling is a growth sector.

  • Marcusrussell547

    everybody pay attention what they are doing is being called pussy ass loser. they are buying some one else idea so they can charge google. so in microsoft case even though we fell off we still get some kind of money out of smartphones. and in apple case even though android is getting and will be bigger than us in the next couple of years we wont miss much money casue they got to pay us 1 dollars for every device. they lost the fight with the hands now they got to get the guns lmao sucker ass shit

  • Fattie McDoogles

    This silly. I don’t mind that Apple and company are in cahoots because the fact that they have to join forces to try and throw stones at Android only proves the power that Android has. Its really a waste of time and doesn’t fix they’re issue because now they are all being investigated (way to go!). My problem comes from the fact that none of the Apple fanboys or Microsoft fanboys are gonna see this. Its not gonna register to them that they are supporting companies that operate like this. They won’t see the stories for what they really are and what hear the people who are talking objectively about it. To me that’s the real shame of the issue.

    • Do you really care what the apple and microcap fanboys say or think? Waste of time.

      • Fattie McDoogles

        No. I care that they don’t know any better and think whatever Steve Jobs says is law. I also feel bad for the people who think that stuff like this is how business really should be run instead of childish and petty

  • As an iPhone user, I do side with Google on this one for the most part.  Even if the patents are valid (despite what some say, there are some definite, specific things you can point to with similarity), suing isn’t how you compete.  Software patents themselves are dodgy to start with.

    Android fans shouldn’t be fearing Apple here, they should be fearing Microsoft.  If HTC or LG or Motorola or Samsung finds Android suddenly too expensive to use, they’re going to go to Windows Phone.  Not to mention that Microsoft’s practice is just shadier: it’s known to be conveniently offering a “discount” if you make Windows Phone hardware.  Same kind of strategy that it used to get and abuse its Windows desktop monopoly: make people pay you even if you use someone else’s OS, but give the most loyal partners a break.

    • You’re just pointing out the obvious.. the reason why Microsoft slept with Apple on this one.

  • TheRobotCow

    Of course those companies bought those patents for anti-competitive means, they’ll just pay their lawyers millions so they could come up with a complete bs reason as how its not that way. Beware android is taking over the world!!!!!!

  • Anonymous


  • Pretty much Apple is trying to patent the entire phone industry. I was looking at the claims and they basically patented ANY kind of processor or touch screen. How is technology supposed to advance if there is only 1 group of people running it?! Innovation comes from the people, not a single manufacturer. 

  • Reminds me of a love-child from 300 and Braveheart when it comes to terms of epicness in this statement

  • Nailsmails

    Jobs would be the snake in the Garden of Eden, pushing his Apples on all of humanity, and screwing up paradise!

  • n_350z

    mirosoft and apple:  Learn what the word innovation means.  Your platforms suck. Consumers chose what they like best and if its not your product, then take do something.  Teaming up to buy patents shows your weak and youve accepted the fact that for every two smartphones one is android.  If you want to change that statistic then come up with something better

  • gman415

    Does anyone else care about Google’s ulterior motives for giving away the Android operating system?  They’re whole business plan is based on knowing everything about you (scanning your gmail, search history, web click throughs, where you are going) so that they can serve you advertising.  All these companies are cut throat in some way or another, so I don’t appreciate Google’s “high and mighty” stance.

    BTW…I own a DX and use gmail, so I’m not a troll.

    • n_350z

      Yeah but they have to, they provide you with all these applications and services free of charge.  If they didnt do this how would they be able to support the company, employees, and projects.  Ads are everywhere, yes they suck but google implements them in a non-disruptive manner.  When im on gmail on the computer, i dont even notice the ads on the page.  

    • If I have to look at ads, they might as well be relevant to my interests. Also, I don’t think I have much that I’m worried about other people knowing about.

  • cbllw

    Android did completely flood the market. I haven’t decided if I think it is a good or bad thing yet…

  • Anonymous

    Because of these damn patent trolls, we will eventually come to a halt in innovation.. a phone can only be made so many ways with so many patents about design, thickness, screens, etc.. 
    We (the consumers) will be the ones who end up losing at the end.. 
    Look at Samsung.. stopped by Apple to sell the Tab 10.1.. for being a tablet thats thin, flat, what consumers want. The DoJ needs to step in and stop all these shenanigans!  Until then, we are going to be the innocent by-standards.. 

  • Ryan

    exactly why I will never go back, fcuk apple and steve jobs. Yeah I said it!!! Android forever

  • Ryan

    exactly why I will never go back, fcuk apple and steve jobs. Yeah I said it!!! Android forever

  • Alexa White

    It’s not just a means to impede tech and creative advances, it’s a way to profit off the success of the competition.  If the suits are successful and the phone manufacturers decide to license what they need to in order to continue making better phones, Apple, Microsoft, et al, would cashing in on those Android device sales without doing anything.

  • mysticdarkhack

    Greed, selfishness, and pride some it all!

  • Kismyarse

    Google is a sore looser. If their 4 billion bid would have won, they would have been on the other side. They lost so now they are crying.

    • DBK


      • Kismyarse

        So saying anything against google makes me a troll. Google is a business and they too sue other companies that infringe on their patents. Its business. Im just saying that they are now in on the loosing side of the coin, they have to go on the offensive. They did bid 4 billion for these patents themselves.

        • buying patents to protect your self =/= buying patents to force others to give you money.

        • guest

          Google does not sue others who infringe on their patents.  You just made that up with no research at all.  They are known for NOT doing that and basically letting others USE their patents.  Look into Mapreduce and Hadoop you moron.

          Name one case.  Just one.

    • OreoMan

      You mean like Apple has been doing for the past year?

    • I think the bids were a jok….one of the bids was pi

    • pi! 3.5 billion over paid by the consortium. LOL!

  • T Hall

    Very well written response from Google.  Hopefully someone with authority steps up and sees the problem here.

  • Mneighbo

    I couldn’t agree with him more. Apple and Microsoft are crying like little babies, rather than working to build something better, faster, etc. Really?? What’s the fun in just throwing your hands up and saying, We give up. We’ll just sue. Come on! So Android is more popular. Work off of that!
    I’ve owned Apple and I prefer my Droid, hands down!

    • Anonymous

      And Apple and Microsofts view would be that Android has things in it that we invented and patented, and instead of going through the proper licensing channels and includde it legally, Google put it out there anyway.  And now Google is being upset that they are trying to make them play by the rules.

      I like Android.  Love my Android phone.  But a lot of these things have came up lately where Android lost in the courtroom.  And I think it falls onto Google to get these things corrected instead of just complaining about.  I don’t see them rushing to help Samsung or HTC in these cases.

  • We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and the oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

    • Kusheil

      yes sir churchill. your comment has made me laugh and smile. thank you for that. 🙂

  • Simplyrafa8

    How come Droid life doesn’t have +1 option for Google+?

    • check first page

      • Simplyrafa8

        Thanks guys! 😀

    • Mplouse

      It does… bottom right above related posts.

  • Michael Quinlan

    I like this guy.

  • Anonymous

    Google + Android 4 Life!

  • SHA-ZAM!
    Pure Awesomesauce.

  • Anonymous

    Good to see google isn’t going to take any of this garbage from the companies and its funny apple and microsoft won’t go directly at google with their bogus claims.

    • Anonymous

      They can’t since Google gives Android away for free and is not making a profit off it.  Since it’s the manufacturers that are profiting from the infringed patents, they have to go after them instead. 

      Who knows how many patents are legit or not, but if any of them are, its really fair to say that Microsoft, Apple, or whoever has a right to sue.  I am sure if some company ripped off one of Googles patents, they would sue.  Any company would. 

      You can point the finger at whoever, but that is our court and patent system at work, and these big companies can play it very well.  And until that changes, if one company infringes on another ones patents, it’s fair came to sue their pants off.

      • Anonymous

        I agree the patent system is very flawed and needs to be fixed.

    • Um Google doesnt make the phones, OEMs do. Why would they go after Google?

      • Anonymous

        Because alot of what apple is sueing for is what android does.

  • Murphy

    Next Apple will patent “looking at your screen with 2 eyes”. And try to sue the world.

    • J Dub

      Will this lead to a new race of cyclop humans? Visit my website at http://www.oneeyedandroidusersthathatepatenttrolls.com

    • Lee

      I’m so sick of Google crying after they ripped off apple. Look, iOS at the time was a complete original. The icon grid system etc. Multi-touch etc. Who are google trying to convince. If they really were original. They wouldnt even have this problem. Come up with some solutions that are really original. Or at least not on the commercial market already. So something that isn’t a touch screen, icon’s in a grid and they should be fine. I mean I was impressed by win mobile 7 because it was different and offered the market a new experience! If MS can be original Google can too. Now all they do is take ideas in the market and clone it and then bully their way into market dominance via their market share.

      • I could say the same about Microsoft/Apple versus Linux. 

      • guest

        What r u talking about .. Apple introduced iPhone in 2007 , Android started in 2003 , google acquired  in 2005 .  Apple didn’t even thought of phone when android OS started …

        • Lee

          I’m pretty sure Apple was designing the iPhone before 2003….

          • Lee, Check your fact before typing! Maybe you should “GOOGLE” it! Or you can try to “apple” it but im sure some way or another, it will be googled! 

          • Lee, Check your fact before typing! Maybe you should “GOOGLE” it! Or you can try to “apple” it but im sure some way or another, it will be googled! 

          • Jeffrey Garcia

            Yes they were.

        • Jeffrey Garcia

          The Android OS wasn’t available on any phone until 2009. So that doesn’t even support your argument. It doesn’t matter what time they started development, it matters when it became commercially public.

          • Jeffrey Garcia

            explain the g1

      • Ry D

        Multi-touch? How could you expect to patent something so general. You can’t reinvent the wheel.

        • Jeffrey Garcia

          General? Nobody EVER thought of multi touch or even invented a phone that had that capability until Apple did. Multi touch is NOT general. And even IF it was, why didn’t Google get a license to use it?
          Im not trying to be a troll or bash on Google, because even I own an Android phone, but this is ridiculous.

          • EC8CH

            Jefferson Y. Han demonstrated multitouch in 2005 which predates many of *pples patents.  You can’t patent an idea that someone else has already demonstrated.  It’s called prior art and it is often used to invalid bogus patent claims when they are challenged in court.

          • Jeffrey Garcia

            I know that. Multi touch has even been around since the 40’s. And yea, you CAN patent an idea that someone demonstrated. Many people and companies have been doing it for a very long time. Apparently, Apple was the only one granted that patent. Google could’ve done it when they had the chance.

          • EC8CH

            You sir, are completely uniformed.  For a patent claim to be valid you need to demonstrate that it is an original idea.  If the claims in your patent have been previously demonstrated, that prior art can be used to invalidate those claim in court.  You obviously have no understanding of the basics of patent law.

          • doesn’t matter there’s a thing in patent law called prior art if a feature device or part of the patent has been around for more then 3 years before you patent it your patent is invalid even if granted, but that’s up to a jury of 13 retards to decide.

          • 3242341982

            wow, you need to do some basic wiki browsing. multi touch has been around for a lot longer than youve been born, because you sound like a teenager not even doing your research.

          • Jeffrey Garcia

            I know multi touch has been around even since the old 40’s. but why the hell didn’t anyone ever patent the technology? Apple was the only company that had the courage to go to court and patent it. Google had their time.

          • Skittleoid

            Because multi touch is too general of a feature. What kind of a jerk company do you have to be to patent it, apple

          • Anonymous

            Hell, has anyone patented scrolling??? I’m gonna be RIIIIICH!

          • Seems like patents like that are for cowards and jerks, you ask me.

          • Anonymous

            “Apple was the only company that had the courage to go to court and patent it. Google had their time.”

            Are you high? Not every company feels the need to patent every little thing created. Especially something as basic as touching to screen to navigate a menu. That is like created a finger print reader on a door to have it unlock. Than turning around and suing everyone else… There are only so many ways a person can redesign touch screen, lock, Door, Icons or even a cell phone shape.  Any phone that has a curbs automatically copies Apple’s design? Maybe they should start making cell phones like a Triangle or a Hexagon to satisfy Apple? Microsoft had touch screen PC waaaay before the iphone and even THEY aren’t dickish enough to try and patent “touch screen”.

            Patent something that doesnt exist like a working Teleporter running off Atomic energy… All  Apple did was use Prior Art on the iPhone. Icons, touch screen and everything else.    

        • Firepoiboy

          multitouch was invented original by some computer manafacturer for the mouse pad. And it wasn’t. Microsoft or apple. Multitouch mousepads were oriinally designed for windows

      • IP on U

        1st – OS’s have had icons laid out in organized rows and columns for over 20 years now before cell phones  even had screens, so to say IOS invented the icon grid is ridiculous. But lets just say you’re right, IOS started the icon grid…that’s all IOS is, it’s nothing more than an icon grid with pages and pages of more icons. Android expands on it and gives you the option to pull up all your apps in a grid (app drawer), and it gives you a home screen to put whatever else you want on it. The IOS is a glorified android app drawer, its a fraction of what android is.

        2nd – how does someone “bully their way into market dominance via market share”? Everybody start’s at 0% market share and works up to market dominance. You’re saying google came in to the phone industry and expected to bully and dominate it with all of its 0% market share? No, google presented a good product and people liked it enough that google now happens to have a sizeable market share, that’s how it works.

        3rd – How is it that you call google a bully while they’re the ones getting sued? Plus they’re the company that gives their software out to everybody for free and encourages you to do whatever you want with it. Apple on the other hand suing google and everybody else, and even launching campaigns to get people not to use flash because their phones don’t support it. That’s bully tactics if I’ve ever heard it.

        • Gustavo

          Hahahaha yeah right apple copied android with ios 5 in the notification system so u tell me who’s getting and stealing the good ideas now that apple is suffering they wanna take a bite out of android!

          • Anonymous

            You know whats worst? Google cant sue Apple over iOS5 because there open source. Apple can turn around and sue for icons looking similar as there’s or even the color white ie Samsung Galaxy S2. 

            The real problem here is Apple now has some real competition therefore, Apple is doing the only thing it knows how to do which is to try and sue everyone. Apple sees how Android has exploded leaving them with nothing new. If Apple even tries to come up with something new, Androids phones OEM’s are like, been there done that.

            Even Pro Apple writers try to come up with an excuse for iOS5 ripping off Android by saying : “Android may have done them first, but iOS 5 is about to do them better. iOS 5’s notification system is almost a direct rip of Android’s”. In the same article the idiot says Android needs to do better.

            Whenever Android implements new ideas not in the iphone. Its never given any credit.. when Apple adopts the idea its “Revolutionary, Magical and They created it”  -ie iOS5

      • Jeffrey Garcia

        I agree. Multi-touch is NOT original because no one ever thought of it before Apple did. Im not trying to be an internet troll or trying to bash on Google or Apple because I do own different devices on both platforms and love them. But the hard fact is, Google never got licensed to use Multi touch. When iPhone was invented in 2007, Apple clearly stated that they filed for over 200 patents on the phone and they intended to protect their IP. When they introduced Multi touch, they even said it was PATENTED. Its not a coincidence that many companies are suing Google more than they are suing Apple. Google really is using other companies’ IP without licensing. Microsoft took a totally different approach to their UI and they’re not being sued. So yea, Google needs to be original and invent their OWN tech, because if they don’t, somebody else will and its going to be too late.

        Now, Google is saying that because many companies are buying patent portfolios, they are destroying Android with “less innovation.” Yet, Google also bid for Nortell’s patents and even Interdigital’s after they lost. So, does that mean that nobody should patent anything? And if eliminating competition by means of patent lawsuits is bad for “innovation”, then I guess Google’s IP is public domain?

        • Oafboy182

          Microsoft isn’t being sued because nobody uses their phones.  If they had the OS everyone wanted then apple would be suing them not Google.  It’s the same reason hackers don’t go after apple computers.  Why infect a few when you can infect tens of millions. 

        • Jam120992

          open source

        • Gustavo

          Hahahaha yeah right apple copied android with ios 5 in the notification system so u tell me who’s getting and stealing the good ideas now that apple is suffering they wanna take a bite out of android!

      • Inkster09

        Hey lee…stfu

      • Anonymous

        PalmOS had an icon grid and apps 15 years before iOS. Multitouch predates it by about the same margin. 

  • i think tech patents are dumb  they take little work and little cost to get them approved most of these are general ideas that are vague   if companies have to pay the patent owner it should be a small fee like nickles and to the original owner of the patent to reduce this crap   

    iphone5 we couldnt beat them so we sued them 
    windows 7 the myspace of the mobile phones  

  • Marcusrussell547

    apple and microsoft acting like bitches cause windows phones are on the last leg and about to be out the window and the i phone isn’t held so high no more like when it first came out. its called competition if you don’t have it you get lazy and thats what apple is with the i phone how much has it changed since the first one not much at all. apple needs to grow up and really make changes to the phone and microsoft needs to stop sucking up to apple and totally re invint windows phone 

  • MFG

    I just want to put war paint on my face and a Nexus in my holster after reading this.

    • I know, right! My Galaxy S is locked and loaded!

  • Google should add the option to +1 google as a whole 

  • Google should add the option to +1 google as a whole 

  • They should physically mail this to every i*hone user’s doorstep.  I’m tired of the ignorance that comes from being a fan of the Apple logo.

    • Fred

      Users are not responsible for this patent shit! Apple, Microsoft and Oracle are. Let’s not forget that. I’m an iPhone user and I think it’s a far superior phone to anything else, android phones included. Now, I’m not saying Android phones are bad, quite the contrary, I love android. It just happens that I prefer iOS. But I also think that Apple is full of shit in this regard and Google is completely right.

      • P!X3L

        You think an iphone is far superior? Your ignorance is showing.

        • Jeffrey Garcia

          Its just an opinion, dont get mad over it.

        • Christopher Davis

          Way to bash somebody who said they just preferred the Iphone, they also happen to agree with Google about these bullshit patent wars.

      • Jeffrey Garcia

        Well I too love iOS over Android, but think that Google should invent their OWN technologies before they start using Multi touch and other stuff into their OS without licensing. Its not a coincidence that many companies are suing Google because of patent infringement. Google wants to get away with using all the tech they can. Im not saying its bad, but if you want to use something the competition already has, just get a license to do so and you won’t get sued.

        • EC8CH

          Maybe Apple should invent their OWN technologies instead of constantly stealing other’s ideas, claiming they invented them, patenting them, and using them to sue and stifle competition.

          • Jeffrey Garcia

            In case you don’t already know, Apple doesn’t invent new technologies, they incorporate important ones into their products and make them better. (i.e. ipods vs. mp3 players, macs vs. linux, iphone vs. old feature phones). And besides, why if Apple wins a new patent doesn’t google claim that to be illegal? google has the right to go to court and protest against the new patent that apple won. are they scared of android getting more lawsuits than they already have?

          • Kusheil

            most people incorporate tech and make them better, that’s how the tech evolves. Android did that very same thing with some of their stuff, so i think your hippocracy is showing for you keep saying google needs to invent their own stuff, but apple doesn’t always? This does not make a valid argument to me. And apple did it and microsoft. so all the companys improve on tech and sometimes invent new stuff. I like having all the exisiting os’s personally, things keep getting better. and on that note……..go google!! hehehe. i prefer android because i like having the choice!

          • EC8CH

            It’s not Google’s responsibility to sue *pple every time they are awarded a BS patent (they wouldn’t have time to do anything else if it was).  The way this works is when *pple is done merely trying to intimidate others and actually take them to court over their BS patent claims, then those claims will be challenged in court.  Only then will we see if our court system has the balls free us from what has become a joke of a patent system. 

            And please stop making posts dealing with anything regarding to patents, as you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.

    • TheAndroid1

      And Google censors internet searches, thus limiting the amount of sites that you can get to through Google.  You pick Apple, innovation halts.  You pick Google, you are contributing to censorship.  If we never bought from anybody who had some shady practices, none of us would have smartphones. We all have to choose ignorance to some degree.

      • pezjono

        Only in this scenario it is one group of companies paying to prevent competition. 
        Google can do whatever the f* they want with their searches. It’s their product, it’s their innovation. Don’t like it? Go to Yahoo or Bing (and good luck…)!
        Apple/Microsoft are only buying these patents to gain “tax” fair from manufactures that aren’t even making their own product! They are not using these patents to better their products!

        • Marcusrussell547

          if there buying it that means they didn’t come up with it either. if you make it you just spend money to say u came up with the idea. there buying some one else idea so as android gets bigger and they get smaller they still can get some money

          • pezjono

            That is not what a patent is or should be used for. It is used to protect an idea or concept, not extort.

          • Kusheil

            i agree, but it seems to happen more and more often. It’s always happened mind you, but damn, it’s getting worse.

        • TheAndroid1

          “Apple/Microsoft are only buying these patents to gain “tax” fair from manufactures that aren’t even making their own product!”

          Actually it’s worse than that.  They are using these patents to increase the price of running android on smartphones, so the cost to license other platforms is lower (android used to be free).

          I don’t like what Apple, Microsoft, etc. are doing.  I’m just saying that we can’t stop using products because a company did something bad.  We would not be able to use the vast majority of computers because they run on Microsoft’s or Apple’s operating system.

          • pezjono

            I absolutely agree. If someone looks at this and says “I’m never gonna use a Microsoft/Apple/Oracle product” is only kidding themselves. It is important to examine these things in the long run and make your own judgement. Personally, I would rather my money go to a company that doesn’t pull BS like this, but it’s not gonna stop me from using Windows!

          • Christopher Davis

            It’s exactly that it’s well known that Microsoft makes more money off Android phones sold than its own WP7 phones.

      • Edensdesign

        Google does not censor results in quite the manner you imply.   Do research on a claim before broadcasting.

        • Edensdesign

          All search engines submit to the demands of our government, not just google.  Not cool at all, but not google’s own doing.   I wish google would stand up against it, but no one is perfect.. 

        • TheAndroid1

          Then explain it. You’re telling me I’m wrong, and your evidence is that I am wrong. How do they censor in a way that they don’t censor.

      • Google censors malicious material and that kind of stuff… Not innocent sites. And it’s different because you could just go ahead and use another search engine, but you can’t go to a different market for phones–there only is one in the US, and the Rockstar group is ruining it.

        • Anonymous

          I think the makers of Rockstar Energy should sue them for using their name and claim it’s stifling their business

  • Scott Willenborg

    I will paraphrase for those os you who don’t want to read the whole thing:

    “F*ck them d-bags.”

    Which is kind of what he said, just not as succinctly as I put it.

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s a pretty good stretch he is trying to make to claim all the patents Microsoft and/or Apple have are “bogus”

    I am sure a lot of them are legi, and if that’s true, hate to say, but Google and Android manufacturers should have to pay up, or remove those features from Android

    • pezjono

      He is not claiming the patents are bogus, he is claiming the reason for Microsoft/Apple to pay four times the estimate in order to gain ridiculous “taxes” from every Android phone made is bogus. They are not going to use the patents in order to better their products, they are using them to make money off of other peoples work. This is NOT what patents are for. They are for protecting innovation, NOT for restricting competitive businesses.

    • Anonymous

      False. As he stated, most of the patents that Google is being attacked for are patents acquired by said companies for the exclusive intention of using them against other companies (namely Google). Few of the patents being fought about are innovations being made by the companies doing the suing, but were merely purchased to help slow down the competition. Many of the patents actually created and owned by Apple and Microsoft are so vague and simplistic that they (rightfully) don’t hold up in court. Few are legit and are actual original innovations. Not to mention that Google intentionally doesn’t patent their own innovations and goes one step further by making them open source…their notification bar, for instance, that pulls down and has links that go right to the given app when you click on them. This exact system was stolen by Apple, but Google has taken the high ground and not only didn’t patent it (and therefore won’t sue for it), but I haven’t even seen official statements where Google mentions it.

      The patent system was started to protect innovations so that people who are actually creating something special are rewarded. Now it’s been perverted into a system where thousands (yes, thousands) of patents are given out for the exact same thing and whoever has the most money can buy up patents with the intent to sue other companies. All of these companies suing each other to prevent others from importing their products into the US, to see their future products before they’re released, blah blah blah…it’s all BS that is holding the industry back. Hopefully we can get some patent reform soon and open things back up.

  • Anonymous

    this guy has BAALLLZ! speaking against the bullshit going on in the tech industry these days

  • Way to go Google!!!!

  • Cizzlen

    Android 4ever!

  • Anonymous

    Ironically, this was essentially a very similar topic on “This American Life” this past week:  http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/when-patents-attack

  • Itstimemoto

    Android for Life! 

  • Jason Pitts

    Go Google Go!

  • Anonymous

    Word, yo.

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t suggest anything the Android community didn’t already know, but KUDOS for not being able to say it any better right on Google’s main blog.