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Verizon Enables New Wireless Tether Block, Asks That You Purchase a Plan

Your days of free tethering with a Verizon phone may have come to an end this weekend (at least on certain devices).  Our inbox filled up with reports of users who received a warning message (pictured above) in place of the website they were trying to reach while tethering.  We’re not surprised by this at all, especially after seeing Wireless Tether get the stiff arm from Big Red at the end of April, but that doesn’t mean we have to be happy about it.  If you want to use Wireless Tether going forward on a DROIDX or Thunderbolt with Gingerbread, you’ll have to fork out $20 a month for a 2GB plan.

And I’d go into arguments on why I think this move is garbage, but we all get it, don’t we? Most of us feel like we should be able to use our “unlimited” data any way we see fit and Verizon isn’t about to let us have that much control.  They will argue that using our devices to load up data-intensive web pages or streams would harm their network if done by a massive amount of people, but we all don’t care and want to do it anyway.  It’s an argument we can’t and never will win unfortunately.

Anyone tried any of the other tethering apps lately?

*Note – From what I can tell, this is only affecting Gingerbread builds that attempt to run Wireless Tether and not other tethering apps.  My Thunderbolt and DROIDX both popped up the message above and are running 2.3.  I also used the non-Market Wireless Tether.

*Note 2 – Barnacle appears to work still.

Cheers Mike, T and everyone else!

  • F1rehound

    Holy, enough legal debate. The important things is that the customer gets what is in their mind is guaranteed to them. In this case that would have to be the ability to use their unlimited data for multiple devices, For each and every person they should get unlimited ability to use data on pretty much any device. I propose that we are simply throttled for that extra usage if it happens to break a medium of overusage of data. Hash together average usage of a phone using data if anything exceeds it they should get throttled. Even considering that the best course of action is taking it up with the FCC, Verizon needs to rework their contract and plans to provide correctly what we expect. I also suggest that their tethering hotspots service charge be removed and all smart phones can simply just tether effortlessly, the only restriction should be for overusage, in that case throttle. That way we receive what we expect. No one gets boned, not really, and Verizon still provides its unlimited data that we are paying for, they get their money for the service.

    The problem is simply in their single device clause it needs to be changed but in a way everyone gets what they are looking for. Which probably wont happen in my eyes it’s a little to hopeful.

  • It’s a good thing you can just compile your own version and name it whatever you want. Also OpenGarden is a great open source version for those who can’t/don’t compile their own apps.

  • Jonathanaholmes12

    Barnacle is no longer working 🙁

  • Test

    As of 10/11/11 Banacle stopped working and nothing else seems to for me

  • None

    it appears that verizon is doing a DNS redirect on wireless tether.  If you know what Im saying. 🙂

  • Odestiny

    I bought the Verizon Samsung Facinate about a month ago. I opted to purchase the additional 3g hotspot which gives an additional 2G of data for $30 a month. The problem is that I can hardly ever get more than 2 bars of connnectivity on my phone. Verizon has changed it twice so this is my third phone in a month with no improvement. Even though this is a new phone, if they replace it they send you a reconditioned phone with no back or battery. When I can’t connect, my daughter and wife have other phones with four bars standing right next to me that connect great. BTW, when I call Verizon support, I first get someone working from home who has to try to help me first before finally forwarding the “the next level” which is actually Verizon support. I just ran a speed test and am getting .76 Mbps even though the phone is sitting in the window. Today I got a message on my phone that I had maxed out the allotted data allowance even though the phone app says I’ve only used .66 of the two megs original data. Billing at Verizon says they can’t see the usage for at least another couple of days when the bills come out. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? Also none of these three phones I’ve received can connect with GPS ever. So the navigation app doesn’t work, nor does Google maps. Now I’m stuck with this fancy phone that won’t work and a two year contract with Verizon that can’t figure out what to do about it. BTW, I’m in the middle of a major California city.

  • Chaosnyx0

    I have Droid X with MIUI 1.9.9. Wireless Tether still works perfectly, when it does act retarded I used barnacle. Haha. Even if they do find a way to block free wireless tethering the community will not go long without finding a new way to do it.

  • Motoxer

    I just kept my DX on rooted Froyo. Who cares about GB when you can burn up 40 gigs a month…

  • bill lopez

    Barnacle does NOT work, you also get the popup

  • MR

    Is it possible that Verizon’s control over this issue is subject to your location?  I was in Chicago early this evening and could not wireless tether (redirect to verizon sign up).  I am now in Kansas City and tether works fine.  Droid X Rooted Stock GB

  • Walo2k5

    Barnicle gets the pop up too

  • Darrienk

    Barnacle Wifi doesnt work anymore either. I have a droid x. The only apps that work are PDA NET and EasyTether. I wish someone come up with something to fix this issue. (-_-) Follow me on [email protected]:twitter 

  • Lavidapura

    Is this true for rooted phones as well using a wifi tether? Do they block that now?

  • TsX

    Droid X: Sys version 2.3, Android version 2.2 – Wireless tether still working as of 8/8 4:30 PM

  • Miginc1

    I have the Thunderbolt but I don’t do wireless. I use PDANET. Any idea if the update will affect it. I really don’t want to start having to root the phone.
    Thanks

  • Miginc1

    I have the Thunderbolt but I don’t do wireless. I use PDANET. Any idea if the update will affect it. I really don’t want to start having to root the phone.
    Thanks

  • Sailor

    Barnacle is blocked now too! sigh.

  • Sailor

    Barnacle is blocked now too! sigh.

  • Crhoads1024

    I have noticed while running the 3g hotspot with my macbook that THE ONLY sites that throw that screen up are ones that start with HTTPS. Any other site loads fine, but if it has a security certificate for the site you will not be able to access it through the hotspot. Using PDANET will work around that issue for now but as for the 3g wireless hotspot your out of luck with https security certificate sites. Im using a droid x2 fyi.

  • P8ntfrk1044

    ya i’m using barnacle and i also have easy tether for a wired none rooted solution

  • I am not sure who is having issues but i have tried to recreate this an have not been able to on any of my Froyo or Gingerbread ROMs on the Thunderbolt

  • Anonymous

    Barnacle is not working on my DX running rooted Gingerbread.   Keep getting the Wi-Fi manager.   

    Any work arounds yet?  I can try PDAnet for my computers, but that wont work with my iPad.  

  • Pipherk

    Tethered all week, just got back from Florida yesterday. Tried it just now after reading this article, works… Non market Wireless Tether-OG Droid-UD 3.3.0-Android 2.3.3. Hope I didn’t just shoot my foot off ! What part of UNLIMITED needs translation ?!! Did I forget to “push 1 for English” er something….

    • Pipherk

      $20 bucks a month defeats network saturation, really !!!!!!???? 

  • Anonymous

    Posting this from my computer connected to my Droid by wireless tether. *Shrugs*

    Android 2.3.3
    CM7.0.3
    Build GRI40

  • Tim1

    Barnacle does NOT work.

  • Jason Delaplain

    Hmm, I used the Wireless Tether app Monday and had just installed it from Google Code site Sunday.  It worked fine… no messages.  I’m rooted and *was* on CM7, but don’t know if that has anything to do with it.  (I say *was* because I’m on MIUI now… until Gingersense 3.0 is working better).

  • Anonymous

    So, this is like buying cable tv and the cable company tells me that I have to pay extra for each room. When they leave, I purchase my own splitter and run cable to all the rooms myself. Is that morally or ethically wrong? I am not using any more tv than I would have anyway? Why is this magically different when we talk about data?

    • Anonymous

      And I would happily go to court over this one. Their greed makes me want to buy a bunch of Thunderbolts, root them, and leave them hidden in public places to provide free hotpot service. The fact that I work in an airport, I think I could average 10-20 gigs a day.

      • Knightcrusader

        And, if your Thunderbolts are in 4G coverage, there is not one single thing VZ can do about it legally. FCC rules for the 4G spectrum specifically states they can’t control what you do with the data that arrives at your phone. 3G, sure, but not 4G.

        They may try to cut you off, but I guess that would be grounds for a lawsuit.

      • Locke

         Are you using 10-20 GB/day for work or just slacking off?

  • J Dub

    Wired tether FTW. Think wired is superior anyway. Charge while you share connection.

  • J Dub

    Wired tether FTW. Think wired is superior anyway. Charge while you share connection.

  • Barnacle isnt working for me Droid x v 2.3.3 Sys ver 4.5.573
    thinking about sbf-ing back to 2.1 and go back to liberty rom

  • Anonymous

    Its really obvious that Verizon is seriously sticking it to us if you look at the the plans we aren’t allowed to have. 

    Skype can make 3G calls to mobile devices but Verizon won’t let us. Why? because unlimited skype is only $8 a month plus $20 for a 2GB tablet plan (IF it could be used on a phone) would only cost you $28. With Verizon the best you can get is 450 minutes and unlimited 3g for $70 a month.On a tablet you can not make Skype calls to mobile phones on 3G (I think). [If I am wrong let me know]. Otherwise you could have 2GB and unlimited calls for $28.So I thought I would get real smart. You could get a mobile 4G hotspot, cancel your phone plan, then always use your phone as a wireless connection to the hotspot. Theoretically you should be able to make wifi Skype calls through the hotspot (not sure if this would work). But the minimum you can get there is 5GB for $50 so your total would be $58.It really seems to me that Verizon could offer a much better plan. I would gladly buy my phone at full price to take advantage of this. If you saved $50 a month you would pay for the phone in savings over 1 year.

  • Anonymous

    When I signed my contract I actually read the details and questioned the Verizon rep. It was perfectly clear that normal data usage on the phone was unlimited if not abused by things like bittorrent. It was also perfectly clear that tethering another device was additional cost.

    I’m glad to have unlimited data on my phone (unlike other carriers). I just don’t understand why so many people complain when VZW is attempting to enforce the contract they signed.

  • j j

    Odd.. still works fine for me on my DROIDX

  • Anonymous

    My analogy is it is like an all you can eat buffet.  I use this analogy as I would imagine Verizon priced their plans based in usage (consumed food) of one device per month, unlimited data for the device you bought the plan for.

    So now you bring your whole family to eat unlimited amounts of food off one plate at the buffet and bitch when they try to charge you a plate fee for the other people.  Would you try that?  Would you tell them all you can eat IS all you can eat? So in it’s current form I think SOME people are just in denial of common sense.

    Even though you are still capped at your 3G max speed/rate regardless if you are tethering or not, your rate of cunsuption will be higher with tethering.  How much will vary upon the situation, but it will always be higher.

    However once they moved to tiered plans and the pricing is accounting for a specific usage amount, then I think a tethering fee will be bull$hit.

    • Anonymous

      Your last comment is spot-on and thats the one silver lining I’m hoping for when it comes to tiered. I have access to so many wifi networks I could cut my 3g consumption by 1/3 to 1/2. Which would leave me plenty of space to tether

  • Anonymous

    tinyurl.com/297sxrk

  • Corey Foltman

    I’m sure someone already posted this but I’m not reading 240+ comments lol… I really don’t feel like paying twice for the same data. $30 for unlimited data, and then another what $20 to use the same exact data to tether? no thanks. I have my phone set to load the real “pc” site, not the mobile site, so either way, its the same amount of data being transferred

    • Anonymous

      Read you contract. You have unlimited data on your phone. Not on everything connected to your phone.

  • jbonics

    Oh 83 ever more descusting

  • jbonics

    Well when ther is a cap on Verizon 3g is 1.5MB/s, and when I’m teathering I see speeds of 3mb and higher uuuuuuum I guess they don’t like that. I can’t wait for my contract to end, CAN’T WAIT. And anyone using 58 gb of data needs a girlfriend and not fast porn loading speeds. Your phones going to catch something, filthy.

  • CM7 on the Incredible is working. Of course its the built in wi-fi port and not an installed .apk

  • Noneya

    Odd, I can still tether with Wireless Tether using wifi encryption just fine, as of 6/1/11 2am pacific time on DroidX .588

  • Cb2000a

    Tiered data plans will make this a moot issue (or should).  You pay for data downloaded regardless of whether it is to a phone or to a computer. 

  • picodroid

    The $20 for 2GB plan will not be available for 4G devices.

    Of course, as usual this post will likely go overlooked and DL will post a thread of amazement when they get the final Hotspot feature pricing when it becomes available.

    • So are you saying 2GB of 4G will cost MORE than 20 dollars? I will post a cancellation email of amazement if they do that.

  • Beeze

    Keep turning air plain mode off and on about 7 or 8 times and you’ll quit getting that block!  At least it works for my droid x running gb and wireless tether and your good until you reboot then I have to do the air plain mode thing again!  

  • Guest

    Way back in time cable companies used to charge for the number of televisions hooked up in your house. The court ruled that if you bought the cable service, you could hook it up in your house however you wanted.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, the cable companies still charge for each TV that gets a digital signal. Xfinity (Comcast) charges about $9 per TV for package I bought just to receive it on each additional TV. That cost is above and beyond rental fees for the additional cable cards or boxes necessary for reception.

      • Anonymous

        wow, that’s low.  I was under the impression that they just transfered the cost to a rental fee for the equipment but from what you’re saying that aint the case anymore.

  • There has been mention of people’s data being disabled for tethering and fined for doing it. Be careful, some shortcuts end in worst places. I think they have us on the tethering this time.

    At least I’m done, don’t want to push my luck anymore!

  • hmmm, im on 2.3.4 and using the non-market wireless tether and i can browse the web just fine. im actually tethering right now. i wanted to test this to make sure 🙂

  • I downloaded GB using an article from this site. I went the rooted route (download two files, use Droid 2 bootstrapper) and for some reason my tethering still works. I don’t go through the tether app though, I go through settings -> wireless & networks -> tethering & mobile hotspot.

    Not sure why it works, but I’m not arguing.

    • BP

      doesn’t that mean you are paying for it then?

  • Anonymous

    tinyurl.com/297sxrk

  • TheKenTB

         I’m on a legacy Alltel Friends and Family Smartpack plan, and even managed to keep it when upgrading to the Tbolt and it’s soon-to-be dead unlimited 4g plan.  I’ve recently heard that because I have this plan I may actually be provisioned for unlimited tethering.  However, coming across information about it has proven difficult.  I don’t have a copy of my contract, (my father did, but misplaced it, apparently) nor is it listed with my other receipts on our My Verizon Account.

         Anybody in a similar situation, or knowledgable about past Alltel contracts have any info, or know where I can find more info? Even Alltel’s drab website is of no help, seeing as They only operate in six states now, none of which are mine, and don’t have information on this service plan listed anywhere as far as I saw.

    • Drbllewis

      I also on a legacy Alltel plan, so I have the same questions…

  • Aperfecttool46x2

    The model is wrong instead of 20/month for 2gb it should ne prepaid. Im willing to pay 20 for 2gb that i can use whenever until gone. Most who tether do it for incidentals and convenience. Carriers over charging for something that can be done free and debatable already paid for is ridiculous. If carriers are going to be dicks about tethering then be reasonable /competitive with the cost. Remember, its still free on other carriers.

  • Pretty sure Tablets are under Personal Computers. 

  • Data never stops flowing.  :/

    Go ask T-Mobile about their “Truly unlimited” plan which has a 2GB cap with throttling to 2G.

  • I can’t believe people here can’t get the very simple concept, unlimited data to a phone is not the same as unlimited data to a computer. I will not download things on my phone that I will on my laptop. I will not bittorrent and grab linux isos on my phone, but will constantly on my computer. Your contract is unlimited data used on your phone. When that contract was drafted, there were practical limits to what typical people would use their phones to do.

    • Anonymous

      I can’t believe your so naive as to think that’s what’s going on here.  Everyone knows it’s not allowed – but virtually no one agrees with it.  Not just because they don’t see the logic in it, but because they know it’s a simple case of charging for the same thing twice. 

      Your example, much like those presented by people who share your point of view, is one that is not representative of what we are asking for.  All we want to do is to be able to use wireless tether occasionally without paying $20/mo for it.  What you are suggesting, is that we want to abandon home internet connections and instead rely on mobile connections as a primary connection to the internet.  Those are entirely different agendas and an exclusive clause is not necessary to “fix” the problem of users hogging bandwidth. 

      As you’ve pointed out, it isn’t HOW you use a device, but rather WHAT you are using it for that determines whether or not you’re a bandwidth hog.  Tethering to a laptop and downloading 20 gb of data – it isn’t tethering that’s hurting the network it’s  you using too much data.  Since they willingly admit to throttling the bandwidth of data hogs, it’s vitually a moot point to accuse tethers of slowing down the network for the rest of us since there is a separate solution to the problem of heavy data users that’s already in place.  Effectively, they are already “fixing” the problem by throttling, so the only reason they are doing this is to charge you twice for the same data.

    • Tux128

      Actually, I was impatient to download a Linux iso once while I was out, so I downloaded it with my OGD. I wasn’t even tethering. Didn’t torrent, just pulled it direct from HTTP. This may make me a bad person. :/

      • Knightcrusader

        This is exactly my point as to why this tethering crap is nonsense. Say you want to get an update to your favorite Linux distro. You have two choices:

        1. Download a 4.7GB DVD ISO of it through 3G to your SD card, and plug the phone into the computer and copy/move/burn it , or
        2. Tether the computer to the phone and download directly.

        Someone tell me what is the difference, other than #1 is okay and #2 requires the tethering plan?

        Why would you download a 4.7GB ISO to your phone over 3G? I dunno why anyone would, cause it would take FOREVER and the phone better be plugged in to wall power and inside a freezer (its gonna get HOT). Who really cares why, but the point is, according to the TOS, you CAN download the ISO directly to your phone but not through the phone to the computer, the very computer you will copy it to when it is done downloading.

        Anyone see the flaw in the logic now?

  • Anonymous

    I think that what should happen is that everyone pays a slight bit more for unlimited, and then those that teather can teather if they want. I know that all Verizon wants to do is to make money, but geez, when you first take away unlimited and then block users from using their data connectivity as they see fit, it just isn’t right. At the rate this is going, someone is going to figure out just HOW Verizon figures out that you are tethering in the first place, and then will post a solution on XDA and a huge battle will ensue. Hopefully the user will win.

  • TB das bamf GB wireless tether works fine.

  • Tether_Nark

    I turn in any Verizon customer I see tethering illegally.  They set me up for one free month for every scofflaw I report.  I’m now up to 14 free months!  How’s that for free tethering?

    • That’s just as shady as those of us who tether for free.

    • evileclipse

      If that’s the case, you’re a snitch, and don’t deserve the same air I breathe. Hope u don’t ever go to jail buddy.

    • im sure the girls are lining up for you, bro

    • Knightcrusader

      Verizon gives you something for free? Pffft! I call shenanigans!

  • I hope everyone who is stealing (and yes it is stealing) wireless tether realizes you are going to end up costing us ALL our unlimited data plans.  You are paying for unlimited data on ONE (count them ONE) device, not multiple devices.  You are NOT entitled to wireless tether as many computers as you want to your phone.  Verizon (and other carriers) have EVERY right to charge you extra for that service.  Keep it up and we will ALL be paying big time bucks for every kb of data we use.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, no, it’s not “stealing.”  People who tether are not depriving Verizon of anything.  They are not committing a criminal act.

      It’s a contract violation.  They’re violating terms of service and using the service Verizon (or AT&T or whoever) is providing in a manner that they don’t want it to be used.

      I installed Wireless Tether on my rooted Droid a long time ago and I’ve used it a grand total of one time just to see if I could get it to work (I ran a Google search, then disconnected).  Verizon wasn’t even offering a tethering plan at the time.  There is no way the service is worth $20/month to most people.  It’s something I’d like to have available (and would be available if it weren’t for the nickle-and-diming wireless providers in the US) in case I needed access for a support call, but $20/month for something I’d use *maybe* twice a year is insane.  If they came up with sane pricing, I’d consider paying for it, even though I feel that paying for it in general is highway robbery on their part.

      • Okay, so if I climb up the pole outside my house and hookup up Comcast cable line to my house it is NOT stealing because I am not depriving Comcast of anything???  Yeah right.  You are illegally taking a service that you have not paid for.  That is more than just a “contract violation”, it is theft.

        Just because you don’t agree with the price of something does not entitle you to obtain it without paying for it.

        • Anonymous

          That isn’t right Bob, the closer thing (contracts aside) would be if you pay comcast  $39.99 for internet access, and they disable internet access to every device on your network except for one, and expect you to pay $20 for every other device. 

          There isn’t some magical internet factory where people are hard at work making network data for verizon.

          They need to have a per account internet charge. A family internet plan even. Everyone agrees that having to pay for data multiple times is costly and doesn’t make any sense to the consumer.

          We can all agree that we don’t want to regress back to where internet was paid by the minute, but that is where we are headed with the way mobile providers want to treat data.

          • Comcast would have every right to do that.  Instead, they sell you Cable for your entire home, i.e. as many TV’s as you want.

            Verizon sells you internet for ONE device and if you want to use it for others, you have to pay for that.  That is why I have to pay for a data plan for both my phone & my wife’s phone. I agree a family data plan would be nice, but as of now that does not exist.

          • Gee

            You know bob your wrong again Comcast sells you cable for every device your willing to pay for a box on, so reality of it is this you pay 10$ per TV to have cable going to it. 

          • You do not need a box to watch the basic channels, so you are the one who is wrong.

          • Comcast would have every right to do that.  Instead, they sell you Cable for your entire home, i.e. as many TV’s as you want.

            Verizon sells you internet for ONE device and if you want to use it for others, you have to pay for that.  That is why I have to pay for a data plan for both my phone & my wife’s phone. I agree a family data plan would be nice, but as of now that does not exist.

    • Anonymous

      I fully hope that one day we do pay per KB of data used.  That is FAIR.  What isn’t fair is charging for a block of data when you might not use that much per month.  What isn’t fair is charging higher rates for essentially the same service.  Cell phone service is a utility.  Utilities, such as water, gas, electricity, etc, all charge a usage rate based on the actual amount of service you require – you don’t buy 1000kJ per month nor do you pay for 200 gallons of water and then an extra 200 gallons if you go over.  They shouldn’t be allowed to charge $5/GB on one plan and $10/GB on another.  The industry needs to be better regulated to protect consumers.

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  • Here is how you get working tethering on your phone.
    http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/detail?name=wifi_tether_v3_0-pre14.apk&can=2&q=
    Install that app from SD card.  Its the most updated version for gingerbread, it gets past the blocks.  Only a few things to get it working smoothly though….
    1. Go to settings
    2. Turn off Access Control
    3. Change preferred DNS to 4.2.2.2
    4. Change alternate DNS to 4.2.2.1
    5. Save settings and reboot wifi tether. 
    6. Use as normal.  Verizon tether icon may appear but should not stop you from tether.

  • Hmm, my wireless tether on my Gingerbread Tbolt is still running fine (posting from it now just to test….)

  • guest

    posted this while tethering with wireless tether app.. no problems but do have the other hack on. Running Gingerbread 2.3.3 –4.5.596 rooted

  • Je49424

    wireless tether works for me on my HTC Thundetbolt  running bamf remix 2.0 beta5 GB with wirless tether pre14 and imosyn kernal!!! typing this while tethered to thunderbolt.

  • James_Ever

    This also explains the Pro starting to get gingerbread along with the DroidX. And all the droid2 devices are next as well. The Motorola forum have been getting a few notices to make sure to sign up for the feedback testing in order to push this fast. They are going to do this within a few weeks on all the devices released in the past year by Moto….

  • Anonymous

    If they can only detect this on GB builds I would jump back to 2.1 so quick it’s ridiculous. My next contract might see me ditching big red and Moto for anyone else and HTC. 

  • James_Ever

    So translation is wireless tethering + gingerbread = tracking on your device. Keeping it classy Verizon, real classy. I’ve never tethered and never rooted though I have been tempted by the lag and the lack of being able to fully customize my device that I paid for, but we’ve been seeing signs of this for months that Big Red was heading in that direction.

  • Verizon is really SkyNet, they are secretly filling the market with cool phones so we will buy them, and then in the near future they will turn into terminators sent to hunt us down, Viva John Connor!!!

  • Verizon is really SkyNet, they are secretly filling the market with cool phones so we will buy them, and then in the near future they will turn into terminators sent to hunt us down, Viva John Connor!!!

  • Anonymous

    Lol Sprint is still the only one with truly unlimited data with no strings attached and if I’m not mistaken, the cheapest as well

  • B1gt78

    so tethering is illegal while under contract with verizon. right? i bought my DX from craigslist and activated it about a month ago, but as far as i know, im not under contract since December. shouldnt this mean that i can Legally tether my DX since i am no longer under contract with them? i have the $30 unlimited data plan so as long as i fulfilled my contract then there is no reason why verizon should block me from tethering my device.right?

  • TeeJayy

    my Wireless Tether app is still working. im rooted on a D1 running Cyanogen CM7. even posted this from my laptop with is currently tethered to my droid.

    • TeeJayy

      which*** is tethered to my droid.

  • Scea67

    Hence why i will not upgrade to 2.3 and have blocked it by freezing vz navigator on my x , wireless tether works great and is free 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Scea67

    Hence why i will not upgrade to 2.3 and have blocked it by freezing vz navigator on my x , wireless tether works great and is free 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Dollyllama

    Working on my xoom tethered to Droid X which is running .596 deodexed using wireless tether …..tbh patch is applied….I always put that on whenever I switch to a new rom.

    I’ll try it next with nook color, first with the existing connection then DC and reconnect and report back…now keep in mind the above conditions and also the fact that I hardly tether….I’d estimate maybe 50-100mb total for the life of my android experience (since October 2010).

  • Dollyllama

    Working on my xoom tethered to Droid X which is running .596 deodexed using wireless tether …..tbh patch is applied….I always put that on whenever I switch to a new rom.

    I’ll try it next with nook color, first with the existing connection then DC and reconnect and report back…now keep in mind the above conditions and also the fact that I hardly tether….I’d estimate maybe 50-100mb total for the life of my android experience (since October 2010).

    • Dollyllama

      On the nook color now… tried the same connection, then stopped wireless tether and restarted it… no problems either way tethered to the droid x under the above conditions… perhaps it’s the tbh patch or my limited tethering or other factors… just sharing my findings

  • Buckgrad

    Never used wireless tether, but do use a usb tethering app. The interesting thing to note is that pdanet is no longer available in the market, and after my “most recent” update, pdanet was missing from my Droid X. Luckily, you can restore to your phone by opening the program on your computer. Also noted… the data speed is MUCH slower now…

  • Chuckles

    FYI
    While using rooted GB .588on the DX. I was able to use the wireless tether by installing TEAM BLACK HAT’S wireless tether patch.

  • MIUI Lover

    im using a DInc with lates MIUI 2.3.4 my question is with this built will they find out if I’m tethering even though I’m using the built it feature on the ROM? 

    Thanks

  • Anonymous

    Well, there must be something in your data connection that is letting Verizon know that you are using wireless tether. My guess is Verizon found a pattern in the wireless tether data that it can detect and block. Which means that all you need to do is change that pattern and no more blocking. I’m betting a work around is figured out very quickly

  • whats up with this netflix app update? On my stock og droid, hacked app from here, its asking for a update inorder to play the app. Also on my g.f stocked rooted droid x. Anyone else having this problem?

  • Anonymous

    Im just glad i got my “unlimited” plan for 10 bucks per line. 

    We all knew what we were signing up for.  We all knew that they offered an optional tethering plan. yet we all want to bi$ch and moan when they got wise and caught on to the free loading? 

    When you go to a buffet for “All you can eat,” do you really expect you are going to get “all” you can eat regardless of the posted rules/fine print? Are you the fattass that brings zip lock bags to bring more food home with you?  “I’m entitle to having all the food i paid for, just like the sign says” …

    Stop the crying about this. If you must tether, go outside your contract and take the risk.  Its your own damn fault when you get caught for speeding.

    just think about people, it could be worse.  you could have att, and worse you could be on an i*hone.

    • guest

      AT&T has no clue I tether my Xoom to my iPhone 3GS using Bluetooth and I can talk/surf at the same time. Tell me how this is worse please?

    • Iphones and Androids…They’ll all be the same soon. Anyway, I Wireless tether at my parent’s house. I might have paid for it on my OGD, but they said no. So I’ll do it for free instead.

  • So here’s my question to Kellex.  Just a few days ago, we had the post about how running a GB ROM on your thunderbolt might brick it, even if it seems to be running fine.  And a huge warning telling everyone to stop running GB on your Tbolt.  So….  are you not taking your own advice Kellex, or do you just like to live dangerously?

  • Anonymous

    I understand this move by Verizon. They give you unlimited data for your Verizon device.. you are stealing if you use it for anything else. This move doesn’t bother me because i am not a thief! What bothers me is locking down devices i own and loading them with bloatware I don’t want or use!

    • James_Ever

      Yes, see that’s what has made me think about rooting and even though I never have, always seeing and reading how others are able to experience the true potential of their device because I’m freaking sick of bloatware, every time I look at that damn Blockbuster app I get pissed and have to use pandahome so it won’t annoy me as much.

  • And you still think Moto devices will be unlocked on Verizon going forward? LOL is all I can say to that.

  • George Moundroukas

    haha i saw this from the new year i hate it 🙁 after i got that my signal and 3g sucks 

  • FortitudineVincimus

    how can all these bad ass devs out there that make kernels, ROMs, rooting methods not come up with some sort of hack that tricks the system into thinking it is still just your phone?

  • Pinnacle93

    So, if I started tethering with an app that is not blocked, could Verizon “find me” and switch me a tethering plan automatically?

    • Anonymous

      they can not automatically add tethering to your plan but they could boot you for violating the terms of your contract.  I personally think they won’t do anything but try to block it because any other option has the potential to lose a customer.

  • Anonymous

    This is BS. What they are doing here is telling you *WHAT* you can do with the data after the PHONE receives it. Essentially, they are telling you that looking at the page on a larger screen is a violation of their Terms of Service. Next they’ll tell you that if you are telling the person you’re sitting next to you what you are seeing on the interwebs that you have to pay extra… or that guy needs his own connection.

    This move is not unprecedented, though. Just the other day the cable company here sent out a letter informing customers that if they want to watch shows on televisions larger than 19″ they would need to pay an additional $20/month.

  • Droid X – Froyo 2.2 – Rooted  –   Wireless Tether works fine….you guys can have Gingerbread…until wireless tether gets blocked on Froyo, I’m never updating my Droid X.

  • Anonymous

    I would be more than happy to pay for tethering if I didn’t feel like I was getting raped by Verizon’s ridiculous tethering pricing.

  • TheAndroid1

    I would just like to point out that my theory may still be correct that verizon will start giving 4g hotspot for free, they were just testing it with the promotional period on the thunderbolt and other phones, this only says 3G mobile hotspot.

  • Raman R

    Gingerbread builds? So if I were to install cyanogenmod 7 gingerbread on my droid, would I get this message too?

  • Daxdm302

    Tethering still works in stock Gingerbread .595 on Droid X with the tbh patch……

  • Anonymous

    Wait. Isn’t Verizon’s 4G LTE spectrum unable to be charged for tethering due to the bid price going over 500 million? I thought that they couldn’t limit what you could do on that spectrum.

    • Knightcrusader

      You are correct. They cannot stop you or ask you to pay extra to tether while using 4G. 3G is still under their rules, but 4G is a big no-no. I personally don’t care what G it is, I’ll still tether.

      I’m waiting for more 4G coverage and more people getting 4G phones and seeing if a class-action suit results from this…

  • snooginsguy

    Well, on the plus side at least Verizon is slow as S**T in updating their phones to Gingerbread.  Nothing to worry about for my good ol’ D2G. 

  • snooginsguy

    Well, on the plus side at least Verizon is slow as S**T in updating their phones to Gingerbread.  Nothing to worry about for my good ol’ D2G. 

  • Alex W.

    Sucks, but I’m positive it will get hacked soon enough.  Just give it time.

    In the meantime, you can still use a USB Tethering option, and as long as you don’t need a VPN you’ll be fine on a free trial.

    If you’re like me, and need Wireless for a tablet, you should still be able to Tether with BT for the time being, or connect via USB Tether to a notebook and use ICS to spread the connection to your tablet.

    There are still ways to do this, but not all of you will be tech savvy enough to use them.

  • Alex W.

    Sucks, but I’m positive it will get hacked soon enough.  Just give it time.

    In the meantime, you can still use a USB Tethering option, and as long as you don’t need a VPN you’ll be fine on a free trial.

    If you’re like me, and need Wireless for a tablet, you should still be able to Tether with BT for the time being, or connect via USB Tether to a notebook and use ICS to spread the connection to your tablet.

    There are still ways to do this, but not all of you will be tech savvy enough to use them.

  • Juno

    Built in tethering works on CM7!

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t the Team Black Hat 3G Hotspot Patch work to solve this. Forgive me if I’m wrong, I’m not running a Gingerbread ROM, yet, in another two weeks I will. I also have never had to use the patch because Wireless Tether has always worked for me. If someone could enlighten me it would be great.

  • Anonymous

    I was going to say this was only affecting the DROID X with the official 2.3, but from what Kellex is saying it is affecting the Thunderbolt as well. [email protected]:disqus are you running a leak of the official 2.3 update for the Thunderbolt or something?

    I’ve used Wireless Tether as recently as last week with no issues on my OG DROID running Peter Alfonso’s 2.3 (GPA15). I’m also curious as to what you were tethering your phone to. Was it a PC, a Xoom, what?

  • Gee

    So funny story, I am a rep with Verizon, and the head of our group (area manager), was trying to tell me i could position this for online gaming. My question to him was “Do you even have a clue what you are talking about?”

    • yeah i bit my tongue when i heard a rep selling a mifi for home internet and xbox live….

  • Sappyswami

    When is a company going to offer unlimited data without voice and other bullshit? I don’t need anything else anymore. If a company popped up and offered that, shit would get real.

  • Coldnorthmenace

    Barnacle is not working as stated on my Droid X.  hasn’t been since GB.

  • Anonymous

    Just tried it to see if anything changed.  Works fine on my DInc running CM7.0.3 – loaded up Wireless Tether and got my Transformer online through it no problems.

  • BPStroh

    I’ve been away all weekend and instead of paying the insane hotel rate for wifi ($16.95/day), I’ve been using my Droid X to tether my laptop and have had no issues.  Running froyo-based Apex 1.4, not gingerbread. Of course now I’m typing this from 30,000 feet in the air after having paid $12.95 for in-flight wifi, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

  • Clayton

    Posting from my MOTO Droid Stock 2.2.2 unrooted using easy tether. Frankly… I like one time cost of $9.99 vs double that ($20.00) and that would be a per month charge. Nothing like an app that tether your phone to your computer and uses the phone’s data connection like the exact was the phone uses it when you watch Netflix on a phone.

  • tbaybe

    Ummm, this is what i was saying since the first gb leak….

  • csseale

    HTC incredible running cm7 nightly#90 and still works…I may never get rid of this phone at this rate l

  • Lallymonster

    Still working, TB rooted running Das BAMF 2.0.5 for the time being.

  • But I thought the percentage of rooted users was so small that it didnt matter?

    • apparently not, every person i know that has a android has rooted their phone, with the help of me of course

      • every person that has rooted their android phone, has done so because i persuaded them to. i’ve done 4 of my friends evo’s, and only 1 has actually taken advantage and flashed a different ROM. 2 used wireless tether, and 1 did nothing

        • ive done the same thing, rooted my d1,d2g,moms d2,brothers droid eris,friends backflip,friends aria,and another acer phone

  • i may have a data cap on att, but i can still tether atm and if they block it i guess i will dish out the extra 20 dollars and get the 2gb data plan for tethering

  • Anonymous

    Thankfully I wasn’t able to complete the soak due to root!  I’ll stay at Froyo until I can convince my company to buy me an Android mobile work phone!

  • posting from my laptop, using wireless tether on my OG Droid!  Getting even less excited about my $99.99 Tbolt that’s coming Thursday… 🙁

  • Anonymous

    How do they know?

  • LT4GS96

    PDANET 3.0 WORKS GREAT ON MY 4G HTC

  • Anonymous

    I understand Verizon not wanted people to tether as it can use a large amount of data. 

    Personally, I use tethering for low bandwidth uses when in need or for friends… these use very little data and it is a shame that they are being blocked 🙁

    • John

      Same here… verizon’s network isn’t that good to use much bandwidth

    • John

      Same here… verizon’s network isn’t that good to use much bandwidth

  • Anonymous

    Business is business, they can charge whatever you are willing to pay. Complaining to each other about means nothing. If you want a revolution, it means getting off your ass and contacting the appropriate vendor as a masa audience. If the majority of people still patronize the carrier, they have no reason to give up anything. In fact, they’d be stupid to give up anything if we all continue to pay it. That’s just not good business. Does it suck? Yup. Does it make them any different than any other business out there that is profit based? Nope. Personally, I am not tethering, but if I wanted to, and there was no alternative, then I guess I’d have to pay for it. Hell, look at gas prices. Long as you want it bad enough, there’s somebody willing to charge you for it. Hope the profits choke their business in the end though.

    • Anonymous

      Nobody is paying for tethering that’s the point, why they aren’t getting the message, idk. I’m still going to send my message by tethering if I need to.

      • Anonymous

        If the entire community of users that hate the idea all collectively bumrushed the carriers, it would work. Problem is, this day and age, nobody gives a shit about anything but complaining where it’s easiest has the least impact on them. For the record, yes, I have written to Verizon both locally and nationally.

  • Anonymous

    This is Booty, I say we hire some hackers to hack into the CEO of Verizons compauter, then draft up memos to end this stupid 20 fee for tethering, and oh by the way send out a memo no more bootloaders from Moto Blur is out!!! 

    That’ll send a message 🙂 

  • Anonymous

    “Mobile Broadband Connect and 3G Mobile Hotspot capability is ideal when you are travelling [sic] and need to use your notebook to check email, access corporate networks, or download large files like presentations and reports. And you won’t have to buy an extra PC Card or other devices.”  [Emphasis mine. Misspell of ‘travelling’ is not]

    Let’s see:
    Check Email: Android does that
    Access Corporate Networks: Ditto
    Download large files like presentations and reports: Android does that, and with 4G, even your commercials drive home the point that customers download even bigger files, and even more movies, faster than ever.

    So exactly what am I paying for? It’s not to do more w/my notebook than with my Droid.

    When I use my notebook tethered to my Droid, I consume no more data than when I used the Droid itself. It’s mostly a convenience to take advantage of a bigger screen and full-size keyboard.

    I ain’t paying extra for that.

    • I concur sir.   I rarely (RARELY) ever use wifi tethering. It’s a nice feature to know that its there in case I so happen you want or need to use it. $20 extra a month for that? Nope, don’t think so.   

    • Paulding

      In fact, travelling is an acceptable spelling of the word according to Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary.  It is not a misspelling.

    • You mean you don’t use your tethering to run your whole home network while playing 16 hours of World of Warcraft daily with Ventrillo and Pandora running only taking an occasional break to surf porn or watch a Netflix movie? lulz

      Anyways, yeah I agree… I’m another “using as intended” user… or WAS.

  • /sigh
    Well it was fun while it lasted.

    Will someone please tell me how verizon can tell what is tethered use and what is just normal use on a rooted phone?

  • JoeInMO

    Droid X with Gingerbread and PDAnet 3.0 still works fine.

  • Alan

    When ways to free tether were only talked about on a few forums, Verizon was willing to turn a blind eye, but when apps started showing up on the market, blogs like this one with large audiences started giving instructions, and worse, started getting quoted by the likes of Cnet and even larger institutions, I knew it was just a matter of time. For those whom it still works, enjoy ot while you can, and keep complaining and keep trying to work around the system. Someday we’ll convince VzW that data is data regardless of connection type. I suspect when they go to tiered pricing, they may do away with seperate tethering charges, but I can only hope the pricing they do institute will be reasonable.

  • Sounds like Big Red is looking out for the people who play by the rules.  It’ll be nice not to be played as a chump by the people who can’t wrap their heads around the fact that they signed to a contract which limits unlimited data as data accessed on their phone.

    • EC8CH

      Big Red is looking out for their bottom line…

      they couldn’t care less about you ;-(

      • Actually, as long as I pay my bills and help their bottom line, they do care about me.  They’ve shown it to be true, especially after I gave them 5 new customers.  See, their service helps me maintain my bottom line, and I play a (very) small part to their bottom line.  I hire them for their service and, if they fail to perform, I’ll fire them and get a new service.

        They’re the best, though.  And I intend to treat them with respect.  I fired BofA from my banking accounts for messing up and will do the same if my current bank does the same.  Same with my car insurance and pretty much every other service I pay a due for.

        • Tesseract 3

          Sounds like you are a pretty savvy consumer. No sarcasm there. 

          That sound, most people here are not as wise in these regards. They complain, they shout on message boards, but when it comes to actually calling the company (not just sending tweets or emails), or calling the FCC, or actually jumping ship for a different service and not just talking about it, they get cold feet. 

          That said, they care about you as a customer to an extent, just like they care about all loyal customers to a certain extent. But their bottom line is most important to them, if you started hurting their bottom line (not that you would), then they would fire you as a customer just like you would fire them as a service. For all for profit companies, customer loyalty programs are great to retain customers, but profit is always the driving motivation behind anything. 

          • Exactly.  If they didn’t work for me, I’d find a new carrier.  If I cost them too much, they would ditch me.

            I left T-Mobile back when it was still Voicestream and I left Alltel before they were acquired because their coverage was too spotty and ended up costing me clients.

            Their working for me is a business deal, just as my paying them is.  🙂

        • EC8CH

          They’re the best though…

          Even if they were the worst they’d still be in third place.

        • John

          No…. trust me…. they do not care about you. If you’re serious then you’re in denial

        • Anonymous

          They don’t care about you, they care about your money. 

  • did any one have any trouble with EasyTether?

  • Dougaljacobs

    I wouldn’t have resorted to the unofficial Wireless Tethering App if Moto/Verizon’s 3G hotspot App on DX didn’t drop the connection every two minutes and refuse to auto-reconnect. “Wireless Tether” has had no such problem and I’ll be trying it again this evening to see if it still works.

  • greenblattsam

    Ha my Droid 1 still works like a champ 😀

    • Alex W.

      Of course it does.  Verizon stated that the OG Droid wasn’t powerful enough CPU wise to support a WiFi hotspot if you recall.

      • EC8CH

        How dare they underestimate the power of the OGD

      • Well if you expect a corporation to tell the truth about anything, I have some bad news for you.

  • Adam Metzner

    This has been happening ever since I have upgraded my DX to Libery GB. Its nothing new.

  • Luminair

    Posting this from my OG Droid running Wireless Tether.

    • EC8CH

      OGD FTW

    • Anonymous

      This is what I was wondering… They didnt offer teathering for the OG Droid and I was using Wireless Tether… If they would create an app like this I would have been glad to pay for it…

    • Anonymous

      using wireless tether on my rooted incredible running gingerbread

      • also wireless tether is still working on my rooted incredible running Froyo

    • Jmbode

      OG Droid using Easy Tether Pro still working (but its a USB tether) I also run Wireless Tether for my son to get a WIFI connection on his ipod touch.

      • This is how my setup at home is.  Easy Tether Pro to desktop (via USB) then turn on Wireless Tether for the kids’ i*od touch.  I know Barnacle works too.

  • Sounds like it’s time to Revolt like when the British tried to charge us for things that should be free!! Boston Droid Party anyone???

    • Make sure your phones are insured before you drop them off into Boston Harbor!

  • Andrew Hewitt

    Free 4G hotspot promotion + Google Music Beta uploading = 83 gigs of data this month. Don’t worry guys, I’m using enough data for all of us. 

    • Mosskingpin

      I don’t understand why Google music makes you upload the SMS song that everyone else has uploaded. Can’t it just scan your music library and add the song to your playlist on the cloud.? What a giant waste of bandwidth.

      • Tesseract 3

        The way you are suggesting is the way they WANTED to do it, to save themselves bandwidth, but apparently there were DRM issues with it… the record companies were being a bitch. 

        • Mosskingpin

          Thanks for clarifying.

          • Tesseract 3

            No problem. 

          • Anonymous

            Also, there are so many different versions. Someone may have an uncompressed version, one may be live, one may be produced in the UK, etc etc…

            Google would have to analyze each song then decide which ones were “close enough” to be considered any exact match.

            All that being said i’d say its a good idea too.

          • Digital Music Movement Crew

            Not necessarily, they can read meta data from the file to see what bitrate it is, the icense holder etc through the file. I agree with Tesseract 3 above. Google wanted to make it easy, but for you to listen to “licensed” music from the labels, they had to go that way.

            Be advised though, music and artists are starting to go away from labels as they do nothing for them anymore as CDs are almost extinct & digital media is hard to track. Labels are jus suing everyone while not giving the artists the revenue they receive from those suits. Now artists are becoming smarter and are looking at running their “own” business of music. Allowing people to get their music for FREE or for donations and making revenue from merchandise, live shows, movie rights, TV rights and more!

      • How would it ‘scan’ your music library?  Use ID3 tags?  I could easily just duplicate any song and change the ID3 tags and get whatever song I wanted for free.  

        The only other option would be to look at the waveform directly…which may be possible – musicbrainz.org offers something similar – but if it mislabeled the song you were uploading, I imagine the labels would have a hissy fit if you got some song that you didn’t own through their service, not to mention if the song was mislabeled you wouldn’t be getting the songs you wanted online anyways.

        Everyone’s getting up in arms like apple is going to solve this problem somehow, honestly I’ll be surprised if they announce something other than iTunes purchases being available from the cloud.  Music locker is really the only logical way to enforce you can listen to all your songs legitimately from the cloud.

    • 83gigs….awesome.

    • Inkster09b

      Cough buullshiit cough

      • BigOSwi

        No man, it was a really great move, we were inverted.

    • Inkster09b

      Im just messing g with u sad Droid lifers good luck with you future drooooooids. Hahaha

      • lol

        Nice iphone

        • Anonymous

          I bet it tethers really well.

  • Ginosylum

    Working for me. I’m on my XOOM tethered to my rooted Incredible.

  • wireless tether still works for me, using it right now with no problems.

  • Chowdur

    Does anyone know if there is a download limit when using Verizon’s 4g mobile Hotspot with a capable phone? It seems like if they place a limit on tethering there should be one as well.

  • Wireless Tether still works on my Incredible. I have enough confidence in the dev community to believe that there will be workarounds should it stop working for me. Verizon’s hotspot service is ridiculously overpriced for that measly data allowance…

  • Anthony

    Haven’t tried it yet…but I think that’s garbage. Can you wirelessly tether on rooted android phones on other carriers? Might be another reason to jump ship from Verizon.

  • Anthony

    Haven’t tried it yet…but I think that’s garbage. Can you wirelessly tether on rooted android phones on other carriers? Might be another reason to jump ship from Verizon.

  • Jeremy Gentry

    BITE ME BIG RED! in all fairness it still works, i bet they are doing this to the people that have over 50gb of monthly usage LOL

  • Jeremy Gentry

    BITE ME BIG RED! in all fairness it still works, i bet they are doing this to the people that have over 50gb of monthly usage LOL

  • Drathus

    If I were to post that yes I was still able to bluetooth tether my XOOM to my OG Droid Verizon might turn me off…

    So no, not working for me anymore. =P

  • lets stick it to Verizon by using 20+ gigs of data like me!
    downloaded the hangover in 720p this morning ;D

    • Anonymous

      That’s not going to help anyone. 

      • no its not, but i really do like the hangover 😀

      • no its not, but i really do like the hangover 😀

    • Anonymous

      That’s not going to help anyone. 

    • good plan. all torrenting from now on will be done on my phone.

      Hey! that frees up my network because stupid Verizon won’t install Fios in my area. DOUBLE WIN!

  • Davros

    Easy Tether still works. Used it to post this 🙂

  • Sauce

    Are there reports of this happening outside of the Gingerbread builds for Droid X (and maybe the leaks for other moto phones)?  That’s the first place I heard of it happening.

    • Anonymous

      Gingerbread Thunderbolt not working. 🙂

  • Brandon

    Plain old wireless tether working here

  • RW-1

    Android wi fi tether working fine here, it is the market app they are killing for the moment. However if they block it, the dev community will find a workaround …

  • Anonymous

    If anyone from Verizon is reading these comments, I will not renew with you if this happens. I’ll take my business to ATT or T-Mobile or Sprint or something. Verizon’s network is no longer THAT much better that it is worth all the extra money they are squeezing out of people. I always thought customer satisfaction was important, but it looks like Verizon is after every $ they can get.

    Are they entitled to charge and force this issue? Sure are. But I’m also entitled to sign a contract for over $2,000 (24 months at $85 or so a month) with another company too. Very disappointing, Verizon. You sure know how to alienate a loyal group of customers.

    • Anonymous

      Seriously? What you think other carriers will be okay with you tethering without paying. I feel unlimited plans should mean unlimited data which includes tethering, but it doesn’t here. So they have every right to charge you if you are illegally tethering without a plan.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, I believe they have the right to charge also. Them spending time and money to prevent it from happening is a very direct message to it’s consumers (actually only to it’s tech savvy consumers) that they don’t care about you, just about your phone.

        Why do we pay for an application that obviously can tether using the hardware WE PAID FOR ALREADY. Give me a tiered plan that charges me for what I use. How I use that data is up to me. Charging me otherwise is extortion for a phone and contract that I am tied to.

        • Tesseract 3

          They don’t care about your phone they care about their profits. 

          Read the contract before you sign it. If it were a tiered data plan I would agree with you.

          Yes, cell phone contracts are predatory, and in some cases they are usury, but you enable it by continuing to sign contracts. Jumping ship to another network you will meet the same roadblocks. Don’t like it? Complain to the FCC, instead of jumping from the frying pan into the fire. 

      • They certainly have the LEGAL right to terminate you, but we’re not having a legal debate.  Just because it is legal for someone to do something, does not make it right, and certainly, just because something is illegal doesn’t make it wrong.  Verizon’s customers will inevitably respond negatively to their practices, especially because they are far more expensive than their competitors, and now (according to Consumer Reports), no longer have more widespread coverage.  

    • lol what a stupid idea. 2GB cap for you

    • Anonymous

      If you dont think this will happen on all carriers, then you’re crazy.

    • Emike72

      Tetheringob Sprint will cost you $30 but it’s unlimited.

  • MALfunction84

    I can see wanting to limit “unlimited” data consumption to a single device and charging to extend it to other devices.  Whatever argument they use to justify this doesn’t apply to tiered data plans, though.

  • Bob G

    and everyone who hated on AT&T doing it now has to suck it up and live in this new world of suck :/

  • Dave Diamond

    II have no sympathy for you freeloaders. You knew the rules when you signed up.

    • EC8CH

      Yes, and I also knew how to root my android phone and use wifi tether when I signed up 🙂

      • Tesseract 3

        What’s your point?

        • EC8CH

          I’m smart enough not to pay $20 on top of $30 to only occasionally use my phone as a wifi hotspot.

          • Tesseract 3

            But you knew it was against the terms of your contract to tether when you signed up. Why sign a contract you know has abritrary limits that you disagree with?

          • longlivedata!!

            isn’t the answer obvious? because the contract is simply a mindless “Click to Accept” button that no one gives a shit about

          • Tesseract 3

            No the contract is a two year legal agreement that you signed and are now legally bound to unless you pay 350 dollars for early termination. It isn’t you agreeing to the TOS of a message board, it’s a legally binding agreement. 

            Read what you sign before you sign it. 

          • kurttrail

            a legal agreement whose tethering terms that Verizon didn’t enforce for years.

            That’s why Verizon won’t sue to recoup fees for past tethering.

          • Tesseract 3

            Just because they didn’t enforce it for years doesn’t mean they don’t have terms against it’s use in the contract… 

          • kurttrail

            Actually if they tried to sue someone for past tethering fees, their lack of due diligence would be held against them.

            And then consider that they are only selectively enforcing this on one tethering app….Verizon’s legal case sucks.

          • Tesseract 3

            Their legal case yes, but who’s going to stop them from enforcing it now when they want to? Especially with arbitration agreements in the contracts? ; )

          • Saik0Shinigami

            Except that no where in my contract does it say that tethering is not allowed… So what terms are you talking about?

          • Tesseract 3

            The contract says the data is only for the device for which you are signing the contract. Read the contract. 

          • Anonymous

            And the contract device is what uses that data. What it does with said data afterwards is none of Verizon’s business.

          • Tesseract 3

            No. Read the contract. 

          • Tesseract 3

            I want to make it clear. I don’t like the way the contracts are written, I think they are borderline usury. 

            But know what is in the contract before you sign it. You agree to Verizon’s arbitrary rules about how you are allowed to use the unlimited data, and on what device, in what way, and they reserve the right to blah, blah blah if you do x, y and z. It’s all in the terms of your contract, in legalese. Do I like it? No. But it’s all in the contract. 
            Why do people sign a legally binding agreement and then complain about it?

          • Anonymous

            “These WirelessEmail plans and features cannot be used: (1) for access to the Internet, intranets or other data networks except as the device’s native applications and capabilities permit, unless you subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect; or (2) for any applications that tether your device to laptops or personal computers other than for use of the Wireless Sync… blah blah blah”

            So no laptops or PC’s, but everyone (Hulu, etc) has decided that Tablets are neither, correct? 8D

          • Tesseract 3

            Hah, perhaps tablets aren’t specifically included. But I am sure there is a “Verizon decides what is acceptable usage of data clause in there somewhere”… I seem to remember reading something like that when I read mine. Standard legalese of course. 

            =D

          • Contracts are like the Compliance Department.  Rules written up to interpretation.  The question is who can prove to a judging authority that their interpretation is correct.

          • kurttrail

            Then you shouldn’t be allowed to pass cloud-stored music through your contracted device to Bluetooth devices then either.

          • Tesseract 3

            I’m not talking about what you should or shouldn’t be allowed to do according to basic reason and morality… I am talking about what you signed in your contract, and what Verizon is allowed to do according to the law. And I am sure you signed an arbitration clause somewhere…

          • kurttrail

            And I’m sure that passing thru webpage data to a different device ain’t any different than passing thru cloud-based music data to your car stereo over Bluetooth. Hell, Wireless Tether even has a Bluetooth tethering option.

            And that’s how you win via arbitration, by showing that using Wireless Tether to share web/cloud based data to a laptop isn’t materially different than using the Google Music to share cloud-based music to your car stereo.

          • kurttrail

            Then you shouldn’t be allowed to pass cloud-stored music through your contracted device to Bluetooth devices then either.

          • technically it IS on the device you paid for.

          • Where else are you going to get the access from?  Santa Clause doesn’t have a cellular network giving out access.  I signed the contract to use my phone (the way i want) and I’ll continue to do it behind their backs.

            I’m not paying 20 dollars for 2 gigs when I use 1.5 gigs in a week.  If it was 10 dollars for “access to tethering” on my device that already has unlimited data, then I’d pay it, otherwise, they’re up shit creek and i’m going to keep stealing it.

          • Tesseract 3

            I don’t give a shit if you steal. My point is they are legally allowed to take steps to stop you based on the contract you signed. 

          • Get angrier at me 🙂

          • Tesseract 3

            Okay. You’re worthless and no one will ever love you!!!

            Just kidding. I seriously don’t care what you do, just pointing out the legal stuff. 🙂

          • Anonymous

            I disagree….

            (and I know I’m gonna get some shit for this, but…)
            Who actually sat and read that customer agreement when they picked up their phone.  I know I sure as f*k didn’t.  Hell, I don’t even remember the rep really giving me to opportunity to do so.  I do believe it happened as, “Sign here, sign here, sign here….Enjoy your new Droid!”

            So point is… No, I did not know it was against the terms of my contract to tether when I signed up.  Although, I do remember hearing something about unlimited data, and to me that sounded like being able to use my data without any limits.

          • Master Man

            You’re an idiot.

    • pezjono

      So how would you feel if Verizon blocked access to the Amazon App store? What prevents them from accessing “unauthorized” app stores and limiting you to the Verizon App store?

      While that obviously isn’t a perfect analogy, you see where I am coming from. They are blocking the use of an app (which doesn’t outright break the TOS) and contains no copyright infringement to cock block us so we are forced to pay their premiums. There shouldn’t need to be a need to “unlock” wireless tethering with a plan, it is the same “unlimited” data plan. Catch my “drift”?

    • Anonymous

           I would agree with you if there weren’t blatant evidence going against your claim. This argument has been going around for a long time and the problem is still quite frustrating.
           I was a Sprint customer with an Audiovox PPC-6700 back when Windows Mobile was the best mobile OS. When I purchased my smartphone, there was brochure enclosed in the packaging that read “Want more from Sprint? Energize your mobile computer with the power of SprintSpeed. Download Sprint SmartView and start taking the internet with you.” Like any interested customer I downloaded the tool and started using it with my laptop. The service worked great and there were no additional charges on my bill for the free service.
           Months later, I plugged my smartphone into my laptop and attempted to establish a connection. After troubleshooting for over 3 hours, I finally called Sprint to investigate the issue. Their claim? “This service is not available to customers nor has it been available in the past. You are lucky that you’ve been able to use it for this long.” Unbelievable! The brochure clearly told me to download SmartView for tethering!
           It took over 20 calls to customer service providers before I could get the issue resolved. The result? The service was indeed free at one time but with the “Growing population of media on the internet” the carriers were concerned that their networks would fail. Sprint agreed to continue providing the service to me free of charge but informed me that the moment I renewed my contract, I would stop receiving tethering services.
           My point is that tethering wasn’t a problem until carriers realized that they could find another way to suck money from our wallets. I won my battle with Sprint but there shouldn’t have to be a battle to begin with. We’re paying for unlimited data and I’ll download 60 GB’s worth of data if it damn well pleases me. If you don’t mean unlimited then don’t say it!

    • Dave Diamond

      My point is that while it may be technically feasible, they have a policy that says tethering is an extra $20, that no matter how smart you are, you need to pay more to get that feature. People buy Porsches knowing what the speed limits are. Drive faster than that on public roads and pay a fine. Want to get the most out of your car? Take it to a race track.

      • Saik0Shinigami

        Or… you can race it with your own equipment on your own property… in this case, a 3rd party tethering app on a device I own… Oh hey look at that.

        • Tesseract 3

          Yeah, with your own wifi connection. But if you are using Verizon’s freeway, you have to follow their rules… ; )

      • my god…i hope youre a cop, because you sound like one…

    • Anonymous

      Oh Blow it out your ass Dave.

    • Anonymous

      Freeloaders are people who pay nothing. We’ve all paid for our service plans and that included “unlimited” data for many of us. Now we’re being told that for just another $20 a month I can, in my case, use wifi hotspot for the whopping five times a year I end up needing it (usually at a hotel with terrible wifi). So for just 67% of my entire “unlimited” data plan more I can use the very data I already paid for and end up using perhaps 5-10% more of that “unlimited” data that month than the other months. Yeah, I’m a freeloader. Get a clue dude.

      • Bullet Tooth Tony

        Actually, the terms are pretty explicit… As is the terminology. You are buying, and I quote the line item, “Email & Web for SMARTPHONES”.. It’s even capitalized just like that. Tethering without paying for it, is quite simply stealing. It’s a service they sell. And if you aren’t paying for it, but using it for free outside of a promotion, you are guilty of theft of services… That’s the way it is today – May 31st in the year 2011. Maybe we’ll all wake up tomorrow on June 1st and it’ll be different. But until that change is made, it is theft of services.

        • Tesseract 3

          Correct. The terms of the contract are pretty explicit. I don’t like the contracts… but they are what they are. And like it or not they are a legally binding document. We need to complain to the FCC about ridiculous contracts, and stand up as consumers and complain to the carriers but… we signed the contracts, and we are legally bound to them. 

        • Anonymous

          Yes, and part of web service for smartphones is an app on my smartphone that supplies hotspot access to other devices. Again, I’ve paid for this already. That you choose to comply is your decision. For people like me, you’re part of the problem and not the solution. They know by simply calling something wrong they can get a pile of people like you to fall in line without any questioning of the message. I, on the other hand, know a bait-and-switch tactic when it’s presented to me. 

          By what you laid out no one should be able to access their non-smartphone e-mail. You should have e-mail and web solely designed for your phone. Why should their service be burdened by your work e-mail? Why should it be burdened by your personal e-mail that you get on your PC? What part of web for SMARTPHONES does any game fall into that downloads data? Are you suggesting these are web applications? Is Google Maps a web application? It’s certainly kicking out a lot of data. 

          The providers look the other way on this because they know they can’t sell it any other way and this will be no different in the not-to-distant future. Thus, this is a case where I believe we need to speak to the issue by simply ignoring it just as they choose to ignore their own terms and conditions where it suits them. The ONLY reason this is being exempted is due to their seeing a chance to charge even more for it (just as they’re doing on texting which also fails any rational argument about its actual costs) for the time being. Penny-wise, pound-foolish. 

          • Bullet Tooth Tony

            The app that allows you to tether for free circumvents the controls put in place to prevent you from stealing… it’s still stealing, no matter how you want to justify your loose moral compass. This is the Napster argument all over again… file sharing isn’t inherintly illegal, neither is tethering… but when you’re using file sharing to obtain something for free that someone sells as a good or service, you’re now doing something illegal. It isn’t just the Terms of Service for using *their* network… it’s the law in every state of the Union. And you are affecting my quality of service by doing it, so let’s not pretend that data is data is data… because it isn’t. Powering my laptop on the internet takes insanely more bandwidth than my phone. I use Sirius on my phone, I now have over 2000 songs on my Google Music, I watch Youtube videos while I’m out and about, I watch ESPN for my hours worth of SportsCenter while I’m at work… and I don’t crack 5 gigs in a month. On my laptop, I crack 5 gigs in a day. On that, I use a VPN for work, I watch 1080p YouTube videos instead of the lower HQ version on the phone. You may be able to blow the doors off your home internet service when using a speedtest on your phone… but in the real world, high quality video on a 3.7-4.3″ screen and enterprise email is in no way as bandwidth intensive as watching 1080p on my 17″ Dell Studio… and my VPN use eats through 2-3 gigabits ALONE in an 8 hour work day. I don’t think you’d appreciate all 90 million Verizon cell phone customers using their cell phones for that purpose… because you’d slow down to dial-up speeds. Spectrum is limited, and with it, so is bandwidth. One point in the not-too-distant past, hooking up a router to your DSL and/or cable internet was, in fact, prohibited. You used to need to pay for additional IP addresses from your ISP, and use a hub to pass out the internet feed. I don’t want to assume how old you are, but in my youth I had a friend whose parents had black boxes… so they could watch HBO, Showtime, Cinemax… and the one that interested the group of us at that age, Spice… the channel was always there (ability to tether) but it was scrambled (blocked/invisible, otherwise not allowed) unless you subscribed to it (paid VZW/AT&T etc for tethering). Yes, it was stealing… yes, we were wrong… yes, we probably contributed to the fact you now need a company-leased cable box to watch everything but local channels in most markets these days. You, today, are no different. And there’s no way to justify doing it. If you want to do it… knock yourself out… but don’t go around campaigning about how it should be perfectly acceptable that you’re stealing.

          • Bullet Tooth Tony

            I apologize for the colossal block of text. I can not post from my work computer, so I emailed myself my reply and pasted it in on my phone… Which evidently didn’t include my new paragraphs… Oh well.

          • Forgeeking

            if you tethered to your work computer from your phone you would have been able to post lollllllllz

          • Anonymous

            I love holier-than-thou types. Tony, have you ever read a book a friend loaned you? That’s stealing–or do you think the publisher intended everyone to loan their books out to as many friends as possible?

            Ever eaten a grape in the supermarket?

            No one is suggesting that stealing is “right”. However, neither is it a good lesson to impart that you should bend over and give in to the will of any organization you’re involved with even when it makes NO sense. Heck, lost revenue from loaned books makes more sense than this ridiculousness.

            Again, I’m a consumer. My job is to push as hard as I can to get the most out of the service I PAY FOR. The company, meanwhile, pushes in the other direction. My question to you is, when did you start working for the phone company against your own best interests? You’ve been brainwashed to such a degree that you’ve totally sold your soul and convinced yourself that this is better than fighting for what’s right. 

            I wouldn’t be here if I was one of the types that shares out my “unlimited” service with those who don’t pay. I wouldn’t be here if I was using 100GB of data a month downloading torrents. I pay $200 a month for my service. I think I’m paying Verizon more than enough for the rather basic things we have here. That they keep changing the rules is not okay in my book and the sad fact is that competition is not a leveler here right now.

            First it was pay for insurance and if you lose your phone we’ll give you another one. Then it was pay MORE for insurance and if you lose your phone we’ll charge you $50 for another one. Then it was pay even more for insurance and if you lose your phone we’ll charge you $85 for another one. Now I think it’s even more than that. Then there’s there entire “unlimited” argument. 

            Time and again Verizon changes the definition of the agreement they have with people. I find it entirely justified that those people would respond by changing the definition of how they interact with Verizon. What’s good for the goose…….

          • Bullet Tooth Tony

            Did you bother to read my post before calling me holier-than-thou? Specifically where I admit to at one time stealing cable? I’m not telling you what you can and can’t do. I’m not telling you what you should or shouldn’t do. I’m merely laying out the black and white of it all. And to quote myself, “if you want to do it…. Knock yourself out… But don’t go around campaigning about how it should be perfectly acceptable that you’re stealing.”

            The people that get caught doing things… Tend to be the ones flaunting that they’re doing it.

          • Anonymous

            In your less-than-perfect example, you are using more than the 2GB/month that you’re alloted in your “unlimited” contract.  You are not just breaking the tethering clause, you are entering into the “exceptional user” part where they justify throttling your bandwidth.
            That is not the scenario that’s been presented for the pro-tethering argument.  Nobody is saying (with a few exceptions) that we should be able to use ungodly amounts of data through tethering.  What is being said, is that when data usage falls within the normal and acceptable rates (under 2 GB per month), that there is no reason to pay an extra $20 fee. 

            Your entire argument hinges on the presumption that people who use tethering are using more bandwidth – and you are pretty steadfast in this assumption.  Well for the majority of people complaining, this couldn’t be any farther from the truth.  I personally have use the app a handful of times in the past 10 months… and never have I come close to exceeding 2 GB per month.  Like the previous poster said, it’s only used when we can’t find a good wi-fi connection while traveling – it’s not used daily to circumvent a home internet connection.

            This entire argument will be moot once tiered data plans are in place.  I’m actually looking forward to them in that regard.  There is no way they can justify charing for tethering when you are paying a per GB rate – at least not that I can think of.  On top of that, we *should* be paying a set rate per byte (still tiered if need be) instead of the ridiculous per month allowance.  I’m having flashbacks of cingular commercials advertising rollover minutes, will we get rollover data?  Of course not, they are out to screw you and you seem perfectly content with it.

          • Bullet Tooth Tony

            In your kess-than-perfect reply, you have made some random assumption that “unlimited” means 2 GB. It does not. It means unlimited. I can assure you of that. It used to be within to terms of service that anyone over 5 GB *may* get throttled. It has since been amended that the top 5% of all users *may* get throttled. The service you are paying for is data on smartphones. It very explicitly details what this is in the Terms of Service you must comply to by purchasing service from this provider. This is not contract bound, this is what the service entails. Just like I can’t hook a black box up to my cable line to descramble channels, you can’t circumvent paid services on wireless.

            Straight out of the terms, it’s right there. You can argue all you want, that you get “unlimited data” and it doesn’t matter what device is used to access it… You’re in the wrong. So since that part of the argument is cleared up, let’s move on to something constructive. Like the fact that if Verizon really wants to pursue this, not only can they cancel your account at will, but they can pursue legal remedies. If you want to use the service, pay for it. Only need it for a day? Only turn it on for a day and turn it off the next for the prorated cost.

    • Anonymous

      Freeloaders are people who pay nothing. We’ve all paid for our service plans and that included “unlimited” data for many of us. Now we’re being told that for just another $20 a month I can, in my case, use wifi hotspot for the whopping five times a year I end up needing it (usually at a hotel with terrible wifi). So for just 67% of my entire “unlimited” data plan more I can use the very data I already paid for and end up using perhaps 5-10% more of that “unlimited” data that month than the other months. Yeah, I’m a freeloader. Get a clue dude.

    • Scea67

      Your an idiot plain and simple , I pay for unlimited data and just like my high speed interent at home with a router attached, my phone is my router for my tablet for the web I already pay for

  • Anonymous

    Who is John Galt?

    • Tesseract 3

      A two dimensional character from a one dimensional novel. 

      • Anonymous

        I’m glad you got the reference, but i can’t believe you think of that book in that way, to each his own I guess.

        • Tesseract 3

          I’m not a fan of the book, as you say though, to each their own. If you enjoy it more power to you. : )

        • Tesseract 3

          I’m not a fan of the book, as you say though, to each their own. If you enjoy it more power to you. : )

        • kurttrail

          I can’t believe that modern day teabaggers are both Ayn Rand disciples and strict constitutionalists at the same time, when the US Constitution is the ultimate collectivist document.

          We The People….

          But to each his own hypocrisy, I guess.

          • Anonymous

            No reason to get ugly. You shouldn’t assume someone’s political views based on an adoration for a work of fiction. It was just a joke based on the subject of this post.

          • kurttrail

            I never said you were a “modern day teabagger.” You just assumed that I did, so the ugliness is within you, not me.

          • Except the part where you implicitly called him one by replying to his comment with your comment.

          • kurttrail

            I purposely worded my reply so that only someone who reads more than what was written would think I was grouping the guy in with “modern day teabagger.”

            You should read my actual words, rather than presume what someone you never met is or isn’t implying.

          • Lolz

            Pictured Above: “Freakin context, how does it work?!”

          • Tesseract 3

            While I agree, I am glad you aren’t implying that SecurityNick is such a person… just because he has a positive view of a work of literature that I find abhorrent, doesn’t make him a teabagger, or a Christian who believes charity is evil. 

            He may have just liked the story, I don’t know. I don’t judge people’s taste’s in literature, even if I disagree. 

  • FknTwizted

    So wireless tether app on dx gb rooted will now get me charges and it is not free?

  • )v(urphy

    PDAnet…. Our last saving grace

  • Anonymous

    Wired tether (EasyTether) still working fine on my Droid X… so far.

  • Robert

    mine doesnt show this. i use an iphone 4 with mywi to tether to my ipad 2 and it works fine so far

  • Crazydog

    I just tested it, and I’m still able to tether, no issues.

  • Anonymous

    A friend of mine saw this last week in the middle of the week, though I was still able to do it successfully. I actually used it today without any problems.

  • Nate

    My wired tether is still working on my OG Droid running GB.

  • Anonymous

    Wireless Tether is still working for me… Using Droid 2 running Liberty 2.0.1  Wireless Tether Version 2.0.7, I think

  • Rizzidy

    It’s only an argument that you can’t win if your an idiot.

    • Rizzidy

      LOL YOUR

      MORON

    • Anonymous

      trolling is a art

      • *an god dammit! an art! jesus christ…

        • Tesseract 3

          Shush

  • daveywoodard

    Not at all surprised.

  • I still can’t understand how they manage to market unlimited data plans as “unlimited” when there are limits.

    • Tesseract 3

      Well cell phone contracts are predatory bullshit, we need to write to the FCC. And put on real pressure. 

      • Anonymous

        Having worked in the cell phone industry (in the past) the main reason for the contract is to recoup costs of the equipment & cost to activate a line of service on their network. Those ridiculous retail prices on the phones that you never pay unless you don’t sign a contract or have to replace your phone without insurance are close to the wholesale price that carriers pay for them (not much mark up). So when they cut the price in half or more (or free), they need a guarantee of revenue for a period of time to break even & eventually make a profit. When I was in the industry, estimates are between 7-9 months to break even on costs. It’s probably closer to a year now with phones that cost more & higher expenses with ever more data (especially video) versus just voice. Add in infrastructure costs for towers, increased bandwidth needs, etc, I’m surprised they haven’t gone to 3 year contracts, & definitely not surprised Verizon did away with 1 year. I say all that not liking it anymore than you, but unless the carriers figure out a new cost model, probably nothing will change. Remember Google’s attempt to change everything with selling the Nexus 1? Remember his expensive it was? They were just selling the hardware with no monthly revenue, so they couldn’t afford to sell it for less. & remember how they failed? So writing the FCC is probably not the course of action needed. I’m not claiming to have an answer, but I felt I should share my “inside knowledge.”

        • max0442

          A few problems with your post.

          You said they are just breaking even on the devices selling them at retail? I’ve got a screenshot from one of the forums for the Thunderbolt at Best Buy. They show the retail cost as $380, employee cost as $420, & retail as $750. Verizon sells it (after a price drop) for $570. I doubt BBY is getting a better deal than the carrier it has to run on.

          You said the high plan costs are to recoup the cost of the subsidized device. I asked a Verizon CSR about that & they said the cost of the plan is what it is and they lose money on the device, even selling it at retail. I don’t know about you, but that sounds like bs to me. If that were the case & they folloed a model like Europe where you buy the device at retail & the plan separately, they would go under after a few years.

          As far as the Nexus1, it’s costs were right in line with what you could buy a similar device for today at retail. The reason it failed is because only 1 carrier offered it with it’s full potential (I don’t recall if AT&T actually offered it, but I remeber hearing that if it was available, it could only use EDGE for data). If it would’ve been available on every carrier, and they had a special plan where they wouldn’t have had to recoup costs, I think it would’ve been a success. But that would’ve meant the end of carrier control and the ability to load a device down with services (apps) they could charge for. 

          • Anonymous

            Best Buy is an authorized reseller of the carriers just like most of the kiosk resellers in malls & any other size that says “authorized” under the sign. They are not corporate carrier- owned locations. As such, they negotiate their own prices with the phone manufacturers ( or distributors if they don’t buy direct). That’s why you will often see those places offer different deals than in corporate stores. They can charge whatever they want for the equipment. The carriers also pay them a very hefty commission. So the only expense they have is the equipment. The carriers still bear all the other costs. As far as the Nexus 1, you’re right, price was in line with full retail price, in the $500 range, but most people aren’t willing to pay that much food a phone when the contract pricing is half the price. I think you are right that not having it on more than one carrier didn’t help, but the difference between Google & Best Buy is you bought the phone from Google, then had to activate it with the carrier, so I am sure they were not being paid a commission when selling the phone.

          • bad4u6669

            in reply to all three TL;DR

          • Guest

            then why are you here?

        • Tesseract 3

          I appreciate your long, thoughtful comment. 

          I want to make sure, though, that you understand my meaning. I am not saying contracts in general are a bad thing, or that the existence of a cell phone/smartphone contract is evil. What I am saying is that the way cell phone contracts are written is bordering on illegal, it is usury and incredibly unfriendly to the consumer. Contracts are a legal agreement between two parties, generally both parties have some say in the contract, and it is meant to benefit both parties. In the case of cell phone contracts you are signing a two year agreement, in which you had no say in the terms, and no recourse to have the contract changed before signing it if you disagree with any of the terms in it. You either agree to the incredibly one sided contract Verizon’s lawyers wrote, and sign it, or you don’t really have service with them, same with all major cell phone (contract based), carriers. 

          Yes contracts are necessary for many big carriers, in that most people wouldn’t buy high end smart phones without a subsidized price, and carriers cannot afford to offer a subsidized price without some way of recouping their losses. However, the contracts as they are written are incredibly one sided, they are not friendly to consumers, they are predatory and border on usury. I do not ask for the removal of contracts, I ask that contracts are reasonable. However, that is not the case. And to make matters worse there was a horrible court case where a very high court struck down a lower court ruling that people could band together to sue over terms in a contract (in regards to AT&T), which means people are stuck with AT&T’s “arbitration”. Arbitrators hired by AT&T… do you see anything wrong with that? These contracts are so predatory the terms are set up that if people have a dispute their right to argue it in court has been signed away, and the high courts confirmed this as okay. And you have to rely on the arbitration of someone hired by the company you are having a dispute with. No recourse, no way out.

          And so yes, writing to the FCC is the course of action needed. As is writing to any other government agencies. What do we need to ask the FCC to do? To tell smartphone companies that they cannot have predatory and immoral arbitration clauses in their contracts, and other such ridiculous sections. That we should always have our right to dispute something in court, period. And that contracts cannot be one sided predatory agreements from which it costs nearly 400 dollars to escape from. 

          • B1gt78

            so tethering is illegal while under contract with verizon. right? i
            bought my DX from craigslist and activated it about a month ago, but as
            far as i know, im not under contract since December. shouldnt this mean
            that i can Legally tether my DX since i am no longer under contract with
            them? i have the $30 unlimited data plan so as long as i fulfilled my
            contract then there is no reason why verizon should block me from
            tethering my device.right?

          • well if you are under the limits and restriction of whoever is supplying you the internets

          • You still have the customer agreement. Same thing as the contact only you’re not locked in. But you still have to follow it to use Verizon’s network.

        • LivinFree

          As I concur with most of your comments I do not agree with the retail pricing and the claims from the carriers on covering cost. There is no way in hell a carrier is paying the mfg anywhere close to the retail price of these devices. I don’t care what anyone tells you that is hogwash. Fact is retail pricing is about twice as much as what the carrier is paying a mfg, and the mfg expense is about 2/3 of that cost. so they are making money on both end no matter what, they are just yanking our chain. then you throw in the fact I’m stuck in a contract with and ETF and this is a joke. I’ll stick with the old school way. No contract and just buy the darn phone outright as you can always find them cheaper then the full retail price at a carrier.

          as an example lets say someone buy the new Driod Charge. You pay $300 up front then have the service and 3 months down the road they decide to leave. Under that theory they will have to pay $290 for the ETF. So at this point now the carrier just got $590 from you plus 3 months of service ( min $300) for a device that retails at $569, and VZW did not pay anywhere close to $569 for the unit to start with. At best they are paying maybe $400 for it.  So in the brief time period you gave them $890 for something that cost them around $400 plus the expense for the 3 months of service. And you are not going to convince me 3 months of services is costing them much more then a couple hundred. So bottom line is they are raping us yet to many americans fall into this trap of believing there line of BS.

          • Anonymous

            The problem is you can’t just buy a phone outright and then use it on *any* carrier.  If that was the case we would have much more power.  Unfortuantely the phone I bought from Verizon will only work on their network, so there is no point in me buying the phone full retail w/o a contract since to use the phone I will need VZ service to begin with.  I suppose you could sell the phone and then buy for another carrier but it’s the same for every carrier.  Not a good place to be in for consumers.

        • Eric

          You can still get 1 year contracts, you just pay a small amount more for your phone.  How much more? IS IT SO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more? no.. like $40..

          • Anonymous

            Those don’t exist any longer at Verizon. They got rid of the 1 year contracts. And I think they were about $70 or $80 more. 

          • Airboss1998

            They WERE $30…. No longer available.

    • there are no limits. your contract is for the phone

      • Then elaborate how there is a “fair use” clause that limits your access to standard bandwidth after an arbitrary amount of usage known as “the top 5%”?

        Certainly sounds limited to me.

      • Anonymous

        My understanding of tethering apps, and I’ve been using them for years on Android and BlackBerry, is that the phone is connecting to the data network. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    • takeshi

      Same way everything is marketed with fine print these days.

  • JJApple

    I just tested out Barnacle; tethered my laptop to it and was able to load a webpage just fine. Hopefully Big Red hasn’t hit that one yet. I used a Tbolt.

  • T Hall

    Wow bummer.  Expected this was coming and that I would have to pay to tether my Xoom eventually.

  • Tesseract 3

    Yeah, that would be the question… do any of the other apps for wireless tethering still work? Have they found a way to realize when someone is wireless tethering, and are now blocking it, regardless of the app that is being used… or have they only found out how to block it for one app? If it’s the latter then perhaps this battle isn’t over yet.