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DROID X Bootloader Locked, Custom ROMs Unlikely?

There has been a lot of behind the scenes chatter over the past few weeks on whether or not the new Droid X would come with a similar signed/locked/encrypted/sucky bootloader that has frustrated the Motorola Milestone crowd for a good 7 months now.  The answer?  It appears to be bad news.

One of our favorite Droid developers (same one that put together our clean FRF84b ROM), Stephen Bird (aka birdman), has had a chance to dig into the DX and is confirming that this beast is indeed on lockdown.

So what does that mean?  There is still a good chance that root access will be gained, but custom ROMs will be a whole other challenge.  Milestone developers have been attacking this encrypted bootloader for so long now and with so little success that it’s tough for our hopes to be set all that high.  At the same time, that’s 7 months worth of research done that can now be used by the U.S. crew of devs.  (Trying to stay positive here.)

Thoughts on the DX now?  Still interested in buying it?

Via: birdmanAndroid Police, AndroidFeens

  • http://twitter.com/wmsco1 wmsco1

    It would be nice just to replace their bootlogger and go on if possible

  • http://smackbox.org Smackbox

    My thoughts are if I am not going to be able to do custom roms, I am going to wait either for the Droid X to be hacked, or until a new phone comes out. (possibly 2ghz) I really have all I need on my Droid now. I am writing this post from my laptop using Ubutnu and Azlink tethering now! What more do I need?

  • http://www.joesteiger.com Joe Steiger

    You should put a poll on your site asking since the Droid X isn't going to be rootable, will you still buy it? I am curious to see how many people won't buy it just for that reason.

  • Droidmanx

    This isnt a game changer for me because part of the reason we use custom roms is to EMULATE the newest software upgrades, and maybe changing the colors around. but when the 2.2 rom comes out there we will all have the best software update out.as long as root access comes eventually we will be fine.

    • digitalicecream

      Well said.

  • AnDroidSepTIX

    Well guess we can go ahead and shut down DROIDX-LIFE.COM there will be no need for that. Just found new appreciation for good ole DROID.

  • Dmarriott93

    as someone who doesnt think they need the physical keyboard and havent switched my rom from the time i rooted it until now (rooted to bugless and haven't downloaded anything new or even updated it since), do i splurge on this and spend the 600? I actually only use root access to overclock to 800 mhz and for 2.2, but the DX is faster than that anyway and will have 2.2 by the end of the summer. i might sell the DX if i get one around holiday time to chip in towards a super droid, but i might not.

    PS it is actually impossible to comment on here from our Droids

    • lakerzz

      Go to diqus.com (from you're Droid) and log in from there….that will work. (I thought the same thing 'til Cris Nimon “schooled” me….thanx aggain Cris)

      • Chris Nimon

        thanks for the shout out man but its not necesary, just keep passing on what you know to the person who needs it. thats what this site is all about. :)

  • timarnette

    This really Sucks!!!!

  • DroidFan

    well…….thanks for the bad news kellex!.lol
    I might still get it, but i am not as excited as I was 10 mins ago. I love making the phone preform better than that of stock…..its sad to say but I might just wait now.

  • Lethalprophet

    I don't understand the point of putting out a device with an open source OS, then locking down the ability to take full advantage of it. This has most definitely affected my decision to buy one the day my upgrade comes around (in early September). If there is even a single custom ROM available by then, then I will def still buy it. If not….then I'm not sure at this point what I'll do.
    This is a major blow to the hype around a device that isn't even launched yet but still has a huge following. I'm sorry – how exactly does developing, distributing and installing custom ROMs on devices that we pay for on a service that we pay for affect the bottom line of either Verizon or Motorolla? Not one single ROM I've installed has made either my wireless service or my device cost any less…It's crap like this that makes me remember why I hate Motorolla (though of course, I do love my Droid…)

    • http://twitter.com/EmberScar Josh Wendt

      3 words are the prevailing idea behind it

      free wireless tether. verizon is furious about the mere i dea of it, as they really fear huge huge impact not only to revenue, but data strain, at least thats my understanding.

      • andrew401

        no what you just said is not true what so ever. you do not need a custom ROM to tether. as long as you have root access you can in fact tether for free. this phone WILL get rooted no doubt about it but what they are doubting is if a custom recovery image will be able to get flashed onto it so we can get some custom ROMs.

        • http://allaboutdroid.wordpress.com sremex

          What Motorola and Verizon might have done though, is made the wireless tether app and others like it not work on the kernel that is already on it. Just a thought.

          • http://twitter.com/AngelRod111 Angel Rodriguez

            So so true! The original Droid kernel doesn't support WiFi tethering, even with root access!

    • Balthazar B

      It's not a matter of logic (or moral purity); the rationale is driven purely by money. Moto and VzW are doing this eyes wide open, and don't be surprised if TMo, ATT, and Sprint (plus HTC and Samsung) follow suit.

      Overseas carriers may be another story, but I fear the temptation will be too strong for them to try the same thing for the same reasons.

    • digitalicecream

      It's because you've been lucky at flashing your rom. what about the hundred of folks who file fraudulent claims to get a replacement phone when they brick it? Or worse…

  • BadPlasmid

    Well, I guess I won't be getting the X any time soon. I hope MOT doesn't continue down this path. I love my Droid, love Motorola hardware, but I will not hesitate to jump to HTC if this is how it's going to be.

    • Balthazar B

      What will you do if HTC does the same thing (for the same reasons)?

  • nkhex19

    The Moto Droid has so many Devs making ROM's I will be sticking with it for awhile. I am really hoping they don't lock down the bootloader on the Droid 2.

  • http://twitter.com/hidalgo77 Dennis

    Just cancelled my order.

    • digitalicecream

      Three!

  • Zalyia38

    Nope, won't buy it if we can't do what we want with it.

  • .46caliber

    As an ATT customer, switching to Verizon on the 15th, things are still better with Droid X than with any ATT offering. We can speculate all day about why the BL is locked. Big picture, it's still a phenomenal phone. You're not locked to Android Market apps. I think it is a much better piece of hardware than the EVO, so as far as my knowledge of current Android phones, this is the biggest and badest, even with the locked BL that with time and effort can be cracked.

    • Balthazar B

      If you don't mind the GS, you can always root the Captivate, customize it to your heart's content, and get rid of all the ATT bloatware. In my case, I'll be able to keep my nicely discounted unlimited data plan if I go that route (oh, and have an unlocked “world phone” for when I'm in Europe). ATT voice/data service is actually very good where I live/work, better even than Verizon in several local areas.

    • DroidFan

      im sure with time it could be cracked……but im not willing to wait 7+ months like the milestone. But I am glad to see you getting away from I*hone country and coming to Droid nation.

  • T_Droid

    I probably wasn't going to get the X anyway but now I'm saddened by the fact we may never enjoy the raw power of rom's again.

  • http://twitter.com/wmsco1 wmsco1

    Well for the most part of roms is color which in my mind should of been standard without rooting but certain programs and speed and launchers and unlocking the death grip of carriers this is where it will hurt so I'm gonna remain hopeful

  • Drew8603

    I think I will still buy the phone. Where there is a will there is way. I know that people have been working at the Milestone's boot for a while, and they will crack it eventually. The same goes here, and if Motorola has encrypted the bootloader on the X in the same way, then it's a win for us.

  • thedonxr

    That makes me sad :-( I hope they don't do the same for the Droid 2, Customizing is awesome and so are all the perks that you can have when you root. I don't think I can ever go back to an un-rooted Droid. So I'll be waiting…

    • andrew401

      sorry to break it to you but the droid x is basically the exact same thing as the droid x. i know this for a fact because i have connections that test out test ROMs and test devices before release and had the chance to play with both of them already and got the low down on them. this really pisses me off tho we pay good money for these and who are they to tell us we can't load another ROM onto it f*ck verizon

      • digitalicecream

        LOL> who are they? they're the ones who MAKE the phone < LOL Hey man.. get yourself a RAZR

  • Lee

    There are many that would not care about such a thing.

    However switching from rom to rom has become a very big part of MY Droid experience. If I were not able to continue doing this it would take away much of the enjoyment that I have with it. And if you take away too much of the enjoyment it will affect future phone purchase decisions.

    I look forward to a new powerhouse Droid in the future, but can without reservation say that I MUST be able to enjoy the freedom that my present Droid offers. Or that purchase will not be made.

    • digitalicecream

      Your solution is to go non-motorola, for now…

  • Epell

    “Droid Does….NOT!” (I have been thinking that ever since I found out that DX bootloader is signed)

    Already looking into already rooted Galaxy S phones.
    I bet the quadrant score for Fanscinate will be a lot higher if it weren't for that TouchWiz nonsense.
    I also bet 1Ghz processors can overclock to 1.2Ghz no problem :P

    Result: Fascinate+1.2Ghz custom ROM=much faster device than DX.

    Yeah, I can live without LED flash or noise cancellation for next two years :P and I like smaller devices anyway.

    • Chris Nimon

      that thing does sound like a beast from hell.

    • Balthazar B

      The locked bootloader is not a game changer for me, but it does have me thinking more seriously about the GS Captivate (I'm an iPhone refugee and can carry over my unlimited data contract with ATT with some discounts). The GS should be rootable, which would give me the option for using prepaid SIMs in Europe instead of ATT's roaming fees during travel there. If I think the SAMOLED screen is equivalent to or better than the DX's, that may well be the clincher.

    • ??

      Yeah…have fun with that. Samsung is well known for their crappy hardware.

  • http://twitter.com/EmberScar Josh Wendt

    no expectations of seeing that BL cracked, but i love the phone too much to quit now. do i have some hope it will be, yes, because i really think that the community will never back down, but again, it could just be my optimism in face of this shitty news, and while i understand the impetus to lock these BL's i dont understand why motorola would make it impossible for digitally signing 3rd party roms, why not legitimize a booming lively market? start charing and taxing these devsa amazing work via the market and cash in, everybody wins.

  • Chris Nimon

    hmmm, that may be a game changer for me. I change themes more than i change my skivvies. ;)

  • Diesel

    Nothing is un-hackable. If you believe that then, I have some ocean front property for sale in Idaho.

  • CyberPete

    Not to be a buzz-kill or anything, but complaining that the bootloader is locked on a phone is like complaining that you can't replace the BIOS on your PC. Think of the problems and even potential liability that the manufacturers would have if the basic and fundamental firmware that runs your phone were wide open? Everyone and their grandmothers would be returning to the store every time they loaded a bad image. Imagine what a nightmare OTAs would be! This is a gift that has been given to us by some clever folks that have beaten the system, and we all (should) understand the risks involved with rooting and installing customized firmware and software on our beloved devices. Google has given us an extremely rich set of APIs – they're the first in the industry that have done it right. I too would be hesitant to buy a phone that could not be rooted and customized, but I certainly don't fault them for locking down the basic phone operations. Just my $0.02…

    • RW-1

      Ahh, but you can replace the BIOS on your PC, its called flashing. Not only one's PC, but most wi fi routers as well. So your argument is invalid.

      Those who don't even know about a rom likely wont attempt it. Those of us who do have a wonderful group community that can tackle any issues hat arise, 90% of the time those newb's who believe they have bricked their phone HAVE NOT and have been recovered.

      Furthermore, the arguement is invalid because of history, up to now there have not been locked bootloaders (US, yes I know about the milestone). So the move is motivated by $$$ not necessarily the reasons you have listed.

      • CyberPete

        I like your arguments, however until recently routers were also locked. Linksys was really first to “open” the router to firmware replacement when they decided to flash linux. Most other routers have to be “tricked” into booting telnet when powering on, connected to a PC. Once you get access at that level, you can certainly flash anything you want into the router. The beauty of Linksys is that they have given a complete roadmap to the entire hardware interface. Every other router required disassembling the code and reverse engineering the calls. A PC BIOS is even more difficult. There is very little hardware interface documentation on the huge number of motherboards available.
        I agree that $$ is the motivation, and there are certainly other ways for verizon to ensure that you are not using more data than they think your unlimited data plan should use. ;-) But I disagree with you and think that if it is made really easy to apply custom ROM, then the “normal” people will flash them, and will not have the ability to undo a bad situation.

        • Solar Echo

          The whole issue at hand, though, has more to do with a company feeling like it can control the way a person uses a phone — or anything, be it phone, TV, car, bicycle, toaster, whatever — after they purchase it. If you consider only changing the recovery partition/boot loader, it can be argued that such a thing wouldn't effect your cell reception or the service you get / use from VZW, so I don't feel that even they should have a say in this.

          I don't know that “normal” people would go around flashing ROMs, even if it was easy. It's relatively easy to change various parts of a car — at the very least it can be said that the process by which to modify a car is well documented — but most “normal” people aren't out there customizing their autos.

    • Ignitros

      I'm on the fence at this point. I think I'll hang onto my Moto Droid for awhile longer and see what comes down the pipe…. (maybe that 2ghz monster?)

      I feel that Moto/VZW should make it hard to root/hack bootloader but not impossible. Discourage the people who refuse to read the forums and inform themselves about the correct processes so they are less likely to take the plunge while still rewarding the people who invest the time to inform themselves and are aware of the risks involved while allowing them to customize their phone ie: make it their “own” phone and not some designers idea of what the phone should be.

      I won't buy another phone till I am able to do so with it as I please…. unless there are no other phones available with the abilities provided me by my beloved Moto Droid!

      • http://www.johnpariah.wordpress.com/ JP the Droid King

        i garentuee you its not going to be impossible to Root the phone. The Milestone was locked down, and its been rooted, and 90% of the “Droid” Roms will work on the milestone.

        • Ignitros

          I guess what I meant to say was enable access to the bootloader. I'm sure root will be gained but in order to have custom ROM's you need to be able to unlock the bootloader if I remember correctly. I love the custom ROM's available for my Moto Droid so I would find it VERY hard to relenquish that ability just to get the latest and greatest.

      • http://twitter.com/HighOct4ne Chris Stivanelli

        I don't think Verizon or Motorola care wether someone is part of the “informed crowd” or not. Ultimately, all they care about is the money they lose when someone returns a “broken” phone. If even one person returns a phone, they're losing money…
        I mean, I DO see their point, as well…if I go spend $40,000 on a new truck (a lot more than the cost of a cell phone) and I mod the engine and throw a rod, the truck manufacturer isn't going to replace my engine. Their engineers designed the engine a specific way, not only for safety, but functionality. When I knowingly altered the design, that was on me. Maybe they're just trying to “protect you from yourselves…”
        I'm not knocking what you guys do. Everyone has their hobbies/passions, but it is a little disappointing knowing a lot of you are going to miss out on an impressive piece of technology simply because it's “tamper proof”…

    • Z__

      No, it's not. It's like buying a Windows PC and finding out you can't run anything but the same copy of Windows that came preinstalled on it.

  • http://twitter.com/AngelRod111 Angel Rodriguez

    Very bad news!!! I was looking forward to the seeing the numbers on an overclocked DX!!! One cool thing about this is…it proves I still have the best phone!!! OG DROID!!!

  • http://twitter.com/deadfrog82 Nicholas Olek

    Getting the phone going to love it for the first three months. Rooting will help, but honestly if we cannot at least get the messy custom rom job HE HE, the milestone has i will definately grow bored with it. Will have to get a new phone again in one year or sooner if cant wait.

  • http://techdeft.myopenid.com/ TechDeft

    Guys, unrelated. I live in Western MA, about an hour and a half from Boston. My boy and I were gonna drive there this morning and wait on the clue, but decided to wait and see if they tweeted before we left.

    Then the clue came, I googled “live lobster boston ma” and the only retail shop that came up was James Hook and Company.(Where it ended up being found.)

    We left right away.

    I was 15-20 minutes from the spot when I got the tweet that someone had found it.

    I just got home.

    :(

    • http://www.myspace.com/abrielband Tim-o-tato

      Saaad. :(

  • ericsorensen

    That's too bad. I'm still getting one on Thursday. I'm fairly sure someone will crack this phone – probably after the big 2.2 update. I wonder what their motivation was in locking it down? Pressure from Verizon, maybe? Warranty costs from cracked Droids?

    It seems like they would want to distance themselves from the Apple walled garden mentality. As long as I can root the phone for full control of their installed operating system – I need free wifi tethering and full use of the HDMI out, for example. I still think this is the phone to get at this moment. Have you seen those quadrant scores w/2.1? And that big-ass screen will be very welcome. I can't wait – and I hope those smarter than myself will take the time to try to fix this bootloader issue.

  • rockymtnhigh

    Serious bummer.

  • Nicknacc

    I'm going to be pissed if the new Droids will be locked as well.

    • Balthazar B

      Count on it.

  • kizzle

    So now my option is… get the Droid Incredible, or wait for the phones in the holiday seasons towards Ocotoberish… any help? The droid2 is not my style.. too.. curvish..

  • http://www.facebook.com/RoyR80 Roy Rader

    Wasn't gunna upgrade, but now if i have to it wont be to this. :-/

  • Picodroid

    Bad news, but custom ROMs aren't a must any more. Tons of customization can be done with apps now.

    • djsbears85

      Im sorry but there is no way that you can customize as much as you can with roms

  • WhereIsTony

    I'd be shocked if the droid 2 was not also locked.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RoyR80 Roy Rader

      Im pretty well expecting it.

  • http://wadeivy.com Phoxus

    I will state this: The phone will be rooted, it will have roms.

    • kellex

      Oh Wade. People have reason to be nervous. Hello Milestone. :P

    • ericsorensen

      That's the right attitude!

  • http://www.myspace.com/abrielband Tim-o-tato

    Rooting and custom ROM's has built lots of communities online and has built a huge support for these companies. Now, they're trying to alienate us with this garbage. Sad, sad, sad.

    • http://twitter.com/jarofclay Joseph Swenson

      QFT

    • kellex

      Yeah I'm not sure I totally understand their reasoning for this. We all understand the risks.

      • http://www.myspace.com/abrielband Tim-o-tato

        Even if people don't know the risks and somehow screw up their phones, the communities (D-L!!!) are always here to help! ;-)

      • http://twitter.com/jbernard703 Jeffrey Bernard

        They do it for financial reasons. The carrier doesn't want people using their networks in ways they do not approve of. They also don't want fraudulent insurance claims filed by people who ruin their phones then claim they were lost or stolen. The manufacturer probably doesnt like it because overclocking and custom ROMs allow people to upgrade and go longer in between new phone purchases which would hurt Motorola's bottom line. We have a nice little community but the key word is little. If we made up a majority of the buyers then they would care about us but as of now we are just a vocal minority.

        • BriDav12

          I hate to say it, but you are right. When the DI was in the process of being rooted, numerous people posted that they had bricked their phones and fraudulently ordered (sometimes multiple) replacements through insurance. I am sure that such posts are not lost on the carriers, as well as the manufacturers who don't want their products to appear faulty. I do think that carriers have too much sway in the U.S., though I realize that Motorola may have locked down the X's BL completely on their own. Bummed to hear that Google won't be making an N2

          • Tyler

            So the obvious solution seems to be, make it super easy to root like the moto droid and people won't brick their phones and they have nothing to worry about…

          • digitalicecream

            Wow Tyler way to miss the point. The obvious solution is; don't root the phone and if you do > deal with the consequences of a bricked phone. Don't file fraudulent claims that raise the costs of the device and the insurance for the rest of us. Way to be oblivious.

          • Bob

            the cost of the device is set long before anyone buys it. it's set my manufacturing cost, advertising.. etc etc.. not by future claims.

          • Singularity2030

            Yes, because the cost of dealing with repairs and replacements doesn't come from the revenue from the phones right? Your remark is just silly. Operating budgets and every cost in the company are factored in to the revenue stream.

          • Epell

            how about “sell refurbished phones”? I mean, aren't all bricked phones just working hardware with messed up software? Just flash in the stock ROM and sell them at a bit cheaper price.
            I bet people will buy that. I'll buy it anyway.

      • digitalicecream

        kellex, you also made a very good point. We all understand the risks… but when we brick our phones are we also going out and paying full price for a replacement?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Alvarado/1013888969 Michael Alvarado

        true thats why they should make us sign a waiver that states if you choose to root or alter the device and damage it in any way you will be held responsible and have to purchase the next device outright at full price

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Alvarado/1013888969 Michael Alvarado

      This is highly upsetting we pay hundreds of dollars for these phones and they limit us on what we can do with them I'm stickin with the moto droid. MD 8-) DX. 8-(

      • My Iria

        Hey, it could be worse. Could be an iPhone … :-)

      • digitalicecream

        You pay hundreds of dollars for the phone that has endless possibilities but was not designed to be hacked…. Are you upset with Microsoft and Sony also because they dont let you hack their machines?

        • Solar Echo

          Yes, actually, I am. I read an article that was related to SNES ROM hacking a few days ago, and there was a quote in there that I'm going to attempt to paraphrase:

          Being able to write code for, and modify a device that you have purchased should be an inalienable right.

          It's this very reason why I hate the iPhone so much; you're effectively just using the device on lease from Apple, even if you've purchased it outright.

          I understand that they might not want to give away the source code of proprietary things — such as Motorola code that they have written, because that can be considered a trade secret — but once you purchase the device you should have the option, without hacks, to be able to remove any and all software that is already on the device.

          • digitalicecream

            Solar Echo you nailed it… once you buy it you should be able to edit it, without hacks. I'm with you 110%. You made my point in a way that I couldn't. Thanks for that!

    • timarnette

      Tim I need some help. My ROM manager is telling me I must up grade to the latest version. I have the latest version. Do you have any idea. Thanks, Tim

      • Mrpicolas

        Just uninstaand reinstall

      • Flyinion

        Is it telling you to upgrade ROM Manager, or is it telling you a new version of Clockwork is available and you just haven't flashed it yet? I've never had it tell me a new ROM Manager is available but it tells me all the time when a new version of clockwork is released.

    • Annoynimous

      Many don't realize and take for granted the freedom we get with custom ROMS, the Milestone has huge bugs like the default android music player bug or bluetooth headset bug which has been plaguing the past 7 months. A simple switch of the ROM would have fix these problems long ago, but no…. we leave Motorola to take their own sweet time to release their own updates which until today, has not happened, because they are spending all their resources to market the Droid X and Droid 2 and will rather sell you a new phone than fix your old one. Motorola doesn't even have a proper support forum for the Milestone, they do not read nor respond in the official forums. Please sit down and think about this situation that will replay itself again in the coming months…

      • digitalicecream

        Or… demand a refund, or… don't buy the product. Be a smart consumer instead.

  • djsbears85

    Well it since I am getting this for my wife I am not too worried she doesnt care about rooting and roms. But it is a shame that they are locking it down like this. I wonder if they are going to do this with the droid 2 also?

  • mate

    Maybe the Samsung Droid Fascinate will be a better alternative…

  • EC8CH

    Why buy a phone you can't own?

    Encrypted bootloader = FAIL

    • digitalicecream

      What? lol. Encrypted bootloader = WIN… just not for you.

      • EC8CH

        You seem to be finding a lot of pleasure out of the fact that the X's bootloader is encrypted. If you don't want to root your own phone and install custom roms that is fine with me, but taking pleasure in the fact that other's won't be able to makes you come across as a dink… have fun with that.

        • digitalicecream

          I actually am… thanks for pointing that out. Whatever you choose to think of me is as irrelevant as the bootloader being locked. I guess I'm hurt, for now.. but give me a minute and I'll get past it.

          • Littlelittle

            Who really cares? Besides, Motorola can detect when a phone has been tampered with and broken because of it. We wouldn't need custom roms if Motorola already built in the features that make people want custom roms. One of the reasons is that they allow you to theme your phone. Another is that allow you to remove apps on your phone that you don't want or need. Why are you so obviously against custom roms? No one is forcing you to get one and it is very difficult to truly brick an android device since there are ways to use an sbf and reset your rom. Custom roms also can allow users to get software updated much quicker. On my Droid, I've had froyo for like a month and Motorola hasn't even updated it yet. As far as wireless tethering and Verizon's stance on it, I doubt they have any issues considering the fact that tethering is already built into android phones. Check out a YouTube video of the nexus running the official update to android 2.2
            Under the settings, USB tethering can be enabled without hacking the device. Anyway, as long as you have the unlimited data plan, why would they care if you tether? Your phone and laptop would both be using the same internet. It makes no difference if you're using your phone to browse full web sites for an hour or if you're using your laptop. Maybe if you stopped trolling this thread and knew just a but more about android then you would be able to see why your ideas as to how custom roms hurts Motorola or Verizon are undoubtedly and severely incorrect.

          • EC8CH

            If it takes you a minute to get over me thinking you sound like a dink, you make want to set a side a few more days to get over how I'm guess the majority of the other Droid-Life readers think of you and your comments.

  • http://www.myspace.com/abrielband Tim-o-tato

    Well the SCREW this phone :-P

  • nick o

    actually this really turns me off a big part of android for me is custom roms and i dont know what i should get now the droid was improved so much for me with some custom roms!

  • http://twitter.com/Ludacrosse05 Ludacrosse05

    That blinding white notification bar is no bueno. It really needs to go.

    (100th comment)

    • http://www.myspace.com/abrielband Tim-o-tato

      Congrats :-)
      It's good knowing half your comments are “firsties” lol

      • http://twitter.com/Ludacrosse05 Ludacrosse05

        Are you judging me? How rude.

        • http://www.myspace.com/abrielband Tim-o-tato

          I don't do that type of stuff sir……lol

    • nick o

      dude im lost on what phone to get now ive had droid droid incredible and now what fascinate or x

      • John8880

        You are already the incredible which is still pretty much a new phone…? What a waste. Let me guess, when the X inevitably loses its rank at the top spot in a few months you will trade that in too?

        • John8880

          You are already getting rid of the incredible*

          • nick o

            i ardy did

          • droidaholic

            what r u going with?

        • nick o

          yea actually i might not buy it if i cant install custom roms!

        • http://www.facebook.com/michaeljmcgrath Michael McGrath

          I'm doing that. Getting X and then new one in December. Won't be that much more expensive cause the X SHOULD maintain most of its value for ebay purposes and not depreciate too much.

      • Timoh

        I'm pretty sure the Fascinate will not be encrypted and will be unlockable. I'm not so happy with Samsung phones though. I had the original Alias(U710) awesome phone, but a normal dumb phone, then I have the Omnia….

        • Flyinion

          LMAO I had an original Alias too, before they called it an Alias at that. I sat on my upgrade discount for a year until Feb. of this year due to first not knowing what phone I wanted, and then running out of $$ around the time the Droid dropped in November. Alias wasn't too bad of a phone for what it did but I'd never go back to a non-smartphone now.

  • Dennis

    I still plan on getting it. Its my first android phone so I haven't played around with custom roms or anything like that so I guess I don't really know what I'm missing. As long as I can get apps from the app store I think I'll survive.

    It seems a shame if motorola is locking this down because it sounds like the droid so far is pretty durable but if future phones are locked I think a lot of the hard core users might not get them.

    • EC8CH

      Welcome to android. Over here on the good side its called the marketplace or simple market… Only the dark side calls out the app store… Happy Droiding!

  • http://twitter.com/GotMurph84 Ben Murphy

    I'll, wait. My annual is in September so hopefully something is announced for the Holidays.

    • Balthazar B

      Don't be surprised if HTC and Samsung follow suit and do their own heavily encrypted locked bootloaders in the next generation of Android devices. There are too many incentives for the mfrs and carriers to do so, and if they're all on the same page, no penalties. I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm afraid it will.

  • ryanwalter

    more reason to wait for one of the 2 ghz super phones due late '10-early '11. moto please allow rooting and custom roms for the next gen of droids!

    • nick o

      the first droid is fine!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jbarb21

    Considering I have finally gone over to the dark side about an hour ago, (kellex…videos were perfect, I was extremely nervous but went without a hitch! Thank-you) I think they will lose a lot of hard core droiders with this news….Will still get the average user I guess. Any idea what kind of percentage of droid owners are rooted vs non rooted???

    • ryanwalter

      not easy to tell, the majority of this site is, but id say there is still a vast (yet unfortunate) amount of droid users that have no clue about the true power of their phones.

  • mate

    Now off my radar… :(

  • kmages

    Way less likely now…

    • Steven Rn

      ewww… Was going with the X but may just keep my Droid and get a Tablet instead

  • AnDroidSepTIX

    damn it too late

    • FrenchToast

      Nice logo. :D

      • AnDroidSepTIX

        Thanks Thrice is the Shiz

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/I37YLWJRR4XCAJJIXULRSXABZQ Eduardo

        What is it?

  • cduce2411

    Extremely bad news. I highly doubt I'll get this phone now :(