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Nexus 4 With LTE Stopped by Bluetooth SIG Yesterday? (Updated)

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A week or so ago, a rumor surfaced suggesting that Google may introduce a Nexus 4 with LTE alongside the Nexus 5. As you are all well aware, the Nexus 4 originally launched last year without LTE, something many couldn’t give Google a pass for. In a day filled with nothing but LTE, the lack of it in Google’s flagship smartphone was inexcusable. But what if they were to re-introduce the phone again this year, only this time with LTE on board? According to a Bluetooth SIG filing that dropped yesterday, there may be a chance of that happening. 

In the filing, we can see a new date of October 24, 2013, along with the mention of a phone under model number LG-E960 being a “LGE LTE Mobile Phone.” Yes, the LG-E960 is indeed the model number of the Nexus 4.

I think the big question is why bring the Nexus 4 back if you have a Nexus 5 ready to pounce? Well, Google did drop the price of the HSPA+ Nexus 4 to $199 and $249 not long ago, so maybe they are simply trying to offer phones at multiple price points to attract even more buyers. We have no indication of this LTE model selling for that $199 price, but wouldn’t that make quite the splash? Google could then sell phones at $199, $249, $349 (Nexus 5 price), and then whatever the 32GB Nexus 5 drops in at – maybe $399. Or maybe it’ll go $249, $299, $349, and $399, since LTE modems would raise the cost of the Nexus 4. Still, not bad.

Update: As someone at reddit pointed out, it could just be a sloppy Bluetooth SIG posting, as the revision of the phone is 1.1, which is an older build of the Nexus 4. I also checked the old FCC docs and didn’t see permissive change submissions or anything that would indicate the phone was now or would be LTE-ready. Then again, why are we seeing the Nexus 4 pop up again at Bluetooth SIG when it has been sold out and long gone from Google Play for weeks? Maybe a filing that has to do with Android 4.4? Tough to tell.

Any interest in an LTE Nexus 4?

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Via:  Bluetooth SIG | reddit

Cheers Raj!

  • Joe

    I would buy if it is a “mini” version of the Nexus 5 (4.3″ screen perhaps) and not simply the older phone with LTE slapped on.

  • FanA

    BT SIG qualified listings changed to “LG 3G Mobile Phone “

  • Me

    Is it possible that 4.4 could activate LTE on N4 (2012)? I can hope can’t I :

  • Skittlez

    possibly just enabling the LTE thats already in it, and continue selling them as another amazing option?

  • MrWicket

    it would actually be a very good move, not everyone want or needs the latest model/specs and the Nexus 4 is getting KitKat either way. I think selling a LTE enabled version at a lower price would be a good move. Maybe the old revision number indicates that the radio update to 4.4 will bring LTE to all N4’s? Is that possible for them to do that without selling all new hardware?! I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

  • Skittlez

    IF this made it work with verizon, i would gladly get the Nexus 4 and stay on verizon. love that phone

  • Reed

    might be (re-) activation of LTE band 4 on the old nexus 4 through software update

  • interstellarmind

    Don’t understand the big hoopla with LTE.

    On VZW’s LTE I always got speeds less than my TMo HSPA+.

    And YouTube ALWAYS would run into buffering problems when running on LTE (either VZW’s or TMo’s).

    I plan on shutting off my LTE and rocking (TMo) HSPA+ on my N5 (whenever it comes out and I can buy it).

  • Typical Droid-Life commenter:

    ready for your downvotes. 🙂

  • afazel

    Maybe just to get it re-certified for the Bluetooth LE stuff?

    • Skittlez

      they usually have to get re-certified to be able to be sold. if they’re sold out, no need to go through. maybe it’s going to be updated for a better pricepoint?

  • d-rock

    I’m not sure if its funny or sad that all these poor souls continually complain about the same things in Verizon over and over and over. I’m SO glad that I realized after the OG Droid that VZ wasn’t going down the open road any longer. In fact, the OG Droid was their only jump onto that road and it didn’t last long. Their palm TREO disabled WIFI so you could ONLY use their closed off network.

    “Dear VZ Android Geeks,

    Verizon does not care about you, does not need you, and will not change for you.



    This is why I chose Lucifer’s GSM Twin brother, AT&T. While they are not open, they have GSM and I can pop my SIM card into just about any phone and get their HSPA+ and LTE. I get the coverage, the speed, and a fair amount of openness.

    • That’s exactly why I’m with AT&T as well. GSM network, unlocked devices, and Verizon-like coverage, even if it comes at a Verizon-like price.

  • Bill Anderson

    Nexus 5 at $349 and the Nexus 4 at $199. Yeah, that would be interesting.

  • bassman418

    At this point does anyone really care? Especially with the Nexus 5 being released shortly.
    Just sayin.

    • Brian Walker

      People who currently own a Nexus 4 sure do care. I got mine on a payment plan through T-Mobile, and am still making payments. Since I’ll be on the N4 for a while, I’m still interested. I’m sure there are plenty of people like me out there.

      • Droidzilla

        If you have a Nexus 4 on T-Mobile, you have no reason to not already be running LTE.

        • Brian Walker

          I do have it enabled, but I would rather have official support for it. My wife has the same phone, but doesn’t want me to mess with it. It’s bone stock, so no LTE.

          • andros69

            Same here!

      • Michael Harrison

        What droidzilla said, and also the fact the people who already own a N4 wouldn’t care because this would be a new phone, meaning you would have to replace your phone….

        • Brian Walker

          That’s not what as suggested in the post, though. If that’s the case, my position holds no ground. May I propose a new position? People might love a cheaper Nexus phone. It’s not unheard of to keep last year’s model around as a budget option.

    • HarvesterX

      I’m surprised that this many people even care about the N5 like they do…

      • Brian Walker

        Why? It looks like a great phone.

        • HarvesterX

          It does look like a great phone. And is a great option for a lot. Personally, I own a G2 on Verizon and have no interest in it. The only worry I ever had was about developer support on the G2, and that is gone. Ever since CyanogenMod started supporting it, development has been crazy. If I can run 4.4 on my G2 and stay on Verizon (with unlimited data), I don’t see anything compelling to makee me want to sell my G2. I’d miss so much if I swapped it for a N5. My opinion is that the N5 is overly hyped. I think it’s an awesome device, but the pros just don’t outweigh the cons in my case. Just my opinion. To those who have never used a G2 on Verizon it might be hard to wonder why I feel that way. To those who own one, ya probably understand what I’m saying.

          I don’t think the Nexus program is what it used to be as well but that’s another topic. I’m glad that it’s hyped so much though and I hope it catches the appeal of those who have never strayed from Samsung/Motorola/Apple. They’ll be more than pleased with it.

          • Brian Walker

            Wait a minute, this was a well thought out reply with first hand experience and solid arguments. I thought I was on the Internet. Did I take a wrong turn somewhere?

          • HarvesterX

            Lol no you made it to the right place, although I’m a little lost on the question.

          • Skittlez

            i have a G2 on Verizon. i haven’t tried a custom ROM yet, but i wouldn’t go as far to say that pro’s don’t outweigh the cons. there’s 1 pro that outweighs all cons. $349-$399 pricepoint. i think this phone is great, but if you think the G2 development is great, wait until you see the N5 development.

          • HarvesterX

            You’re dead on about the price difference and is a huge point to factor in if deciding to upgrade soon. It was worth it though to stay on VZW with my unlimited plan. Every other carrier sucks where I live (unless you live within 3 miles of the town limits). No doubt the N5 will have better developer support. My last phone was a Nexus and before that OG DROID. I’ve been following and participating in development up until I ditched my Linux box a year ago. Everything I want or use is already out there and will be there though, so I’m not concerned about wanting something I can’t find (and at the worst, I can make anything I can’t find)

          • Skittlez

            the only thing that might get me to stay is if they could get the ISIS NFC SIM to work with google wallet.

    • Justin Kos

      Us DL readers..no but someone wanting a cheap unlocked gsm phone def

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    Quite frankly i’m not interested in anything nexus 4 related.

    • HarvesterX

      Quite frankly, I don’t give a damn… Sorry, had to.. Lol

  • Guest

    Update: Oops, I probably shouldn’t have posted this article.

  • Justin Kos

    As another reader pointed out once before… If you have a n4 and read DL and don’t have LTE..your doing something wrong

    • Or you use your Nexus 4 on a network like AT&T that can actually provide HSPA+ outside of metro areas. Unless you’re on T-Mobile, you have no option for LTE on a Nexus 4. Anyone who has a Nexus 4 and reads DL should know that! 😉

      • Justin Kos

        You out DLd me! Gasp!

      • Droidzilla

        True, but DL readers would stick to T-Mo for HSPA+42 vs 21 and for the actual unlimited data (since that seems to be a big thing around here). Being limited to AT&T due to coverage is the same as being limited to Verizon due to coverage. I get what you’re saying, but the fact is LTE is an option for the Nexus 4. Just not on AT&T/Verizon/Sprint. Maybe we’re splitting hairs, but that’s what nerds are supposed to do.

        • haha Fair enough. I use AT&T because it’s the only choice in the USA if you want to run unlocked devices on a GSM network and still have Verizon-like coverage. The only problem, of course, is that you pay Verizon-like prices for it.

          I do a lot of driving, especially on the weekends. T-Mobile’s inability to provide HSPA+ outside metro areas finally made me leave after being with them for 10 years (from 2001 when they were still VoiceStream). When I lived in the northeast, T-Mobile was great, but once I moved to North Carolina, I saw what everyone had complained about for so long with T-Mobile. In NC, you can easily drive 100 miles (especially off the Interstates) without sniffing HSPA+ on T-Mobile. The move to NC is what made me look for a new carrier.

          These days I have a Google Play Edition GS4 and a Nexus 7 LTE on my personal AT&T plan, plus a Motorola Xoom on Verizon that my company pays for. So no matter where I go, I’m connected with decent data speeds. That’s worth the money for me.

          While yeah, the HSPA+ 42 is nice on T-Mobile, it doesn’t do me good (speaking personally of course) since I can only use it when I’m in a metro area. I’ll take HSPA+ 21 on AT&T over EDGE on T-Mobile any day of the week and twice on Sunday. 😀

          • LionStone

            This is just one area I know but we’ve had VZW LTE in Wake Forest for about 2 years? now and when people come over with At&t or Sprint, they have terrible signal for calls or data? And yes, forget T-Mo, its getting there though 🙂

          • I was just up in Wake Forest and Youngsville this past weekend (taking the kid to Hill Ridge Farm). I had great LTE coverage on AT&T the entire time. Admittedly I wasn’t indoors, though.

          • LionStone

            Good to know! Yea we have a big house so maybe that was hindering the guy who had difficulty making a phone call on at&t?

          • Well it also depends on where you live. Do you live within the Wake Forest city limits or do you live more out in unincorporated Wake/Franklin county? Because it’s possible that you just live out on the fringe of an AT&T tower somewhere.

    • Or you don’t want worse battery life or root.

  • umm

    Doesn’t Droid Life usually get all smug and critical of other websites that put up sloppy rumors and speculation? ….

    • That would be hypocritical since they do it all the time.

      • Justin Kos


  • I’ll order two if they make it work on Verizon. My GS4 will go on ebay immediately.

  • joejoe5709

    Unless it was friendly with Verizon and the Nexus 5 wasn’t, then no not interested.

  • Nayners

    This doesn’t seem like a move Google would make. I have nothing but my intuition, I’m no expert, but this just doesn’t make sense. Plus, where’s the FCC filing? They would have to run it through again to certify the use on LTE.

    • Menger40

      Agreed. Google seems to take a very “out with the old, in the with the new” approach with their hardware. I don’t think we’ll see a new N4 variant. I think they’ll basically expunge it from Google Play once the N5 comes out, just like they did to the GNex when the N4 came out.

  • Prodstick

    If they could make a Nexus 4 LTE with similar hardware to the Nexus 5 – sure. I don’t want last year’s phone. A small modern phone would be lovely though!

    • The Nexus 4 isn’t small. And the Nexus 5’s dimensions are smaller than the 4.

      • Prodstick

        You know, I somehow missed this entirely! Thank you for pointing it out. I was under the impression the N4 had a 4.3″ screen, but it’s actually 4.7″ making it on par with my SGS3. N5 is promised to have a 5″ screen, but be smaller than the N4. (right?) Got me!

  • *yawn* Another day, another bunch of people clinging to any last thread of hope that we’d see officially sanctioned LTE in a Nexus 4. Nothing to see here. Move on.

  • Philip J. Fry

    If it does I bet verizon doesn’t get it.

    • Ian Smith

      verizon, verizon, verizon, verizon……………………………………………

      • Miguel Angel Portela

        Seriously. This obsession with Verizon is just so annoying. Especially since Nexus will never be on Verizon again, will it? Yes, Verizon has incredible coverage. But it’s pricey and all their phones have extra locks on them like bootloader nonsense, etc. So what’s the appeal? With so many people on GSM wouldn’t it be better to uncross fingers, un-clench and just switch to T-Mobile or ATT or something?

        • Fattie McDoogles

          I understand your frustration, but you have to remember this is a Verizon based Android blog. It’s called DROID-life for a reason, this site was founded because of Kellen’s love for the original DROID.

          I agree with you that all the clamoring for a Verizon Nexus is just silly. I appreciate wishful thinking but another Nexus “on” Verizon is just completely unrealistic. It goes completely against what Verizon is doing with their service. And at this point, its a given that everyone wants the Great White Buffalo back, but it just doesn’t work out.

          • NemaCystX

            Verizon based but no longer Verizon only, hence other carrier news

          • Big_EZ

            But still mainly Verizon users. The poll last month showed 75% of DL reads are still on Verizon.

          • hoosiercub88

            Not only that.. but the thing is.. People with smartphones and cellular devices in general like it when the fancy device they’ve dropped hundreds and hundreds of dollars on works everywhere they go, not just at a weak network’s convenience.

            They have superior coverage to every carrier out there, that’s not to say they’re the best choice for everyone but more often than not they will have it where nobody else does.

            Like someone said up there, until they literally start forcing people off unlimited data, that percentage isn’t going to change much.

        • Verizon could well see another Nexus. Verizon has been the exclusive US launch carrier for every Nexus that has been the launch device for a .0 Android release. You have the Motorola Droid (Android 2.0), Motorola Xoom (Android 3.0) and the Galaxy Nexus (Android 4.0). So maybe Android 5.0’s launch device will be on Verizon. I guess we’ll find out next year.

          And before anyone says “The DROID and Xoom weren’t Nexus devices,” do some research. They were in everything but their name. They got updates direct from Google, ran stock Android, were used by Google to develop a version of Android, and had unlocked or unlockable bootloaders. Nexus in all but name.

          • Miguel Angel Portela

            But would they really? It seems Verizon wants full control over all devices. And besides, it seems Google’s biggest objective for better or worse is making the Nexus (at least the phones) affordable. Would Google really move away from the unlocked GSM ideal just to build for Sprint and Verizon again? I mean sure it would be nice if Nexus did go back to Verizon. Hell, the OG Droid was so great. I wish I had a GSM variant so I could still use it. It would be the marriage of reliability and control but I personally just don’t see it happening. (Footnote: Didn’t the Xoom suck though?)

          • The Xoom didn’t suck at all. Honeycomb sucked, which led to the illusion that the Xoom sucked. Honeycomb was Android’s Windows Vista. It was a move that had to happen, but it was a painful transition. By the time ICS came out, which happily merged Gingerbread and Honeycomb into one version of Android that ran seamlessly across phones and tablets, the Xoom was set. The official ICS and Jelly Bean ROMs from Google run like champs on the Xoom. Hell, even the Honeycomb 3.2 ROMs ran pretty good on the Xoom. 3.0, 3.0.1 and 3.1 were all pretty rough, though. Not going to lie.

            I still have a Verizon Xoom that I use every day and it chugs along. It runs the stock Jelly Bean 4.1.2/JZO54M ROM from Google. Sure, it’s a little slow compared to today’s stuff, but it gets the job done. Motorola packed that thing with great hardware for the time and thus, it’s been well future proofed. It’s still very usable today for anything except modern, graphics-intense gaming. Not bad when you consider it came out 2-and-a-half years ago. Plus, the fact that it has Android 4.1 officially means it’ll have good app support from developers for at least another 2 years.

          • Miguel Angel Portela

            Fair enough. Honeycomb was a disaster. When I had Galaxy Tab (the first one) I was actually relieved by their decision to switch from Stock HC to Touchwiz HC. Although that wasn’t that much better but hey. I will say though that Xoom had one hell of a build quality.

          • No doubt. It was a typical Motorola product. It was built like a brick s**thouse. It was heavy and durable. That’s always been a staple of Motorola, whether it’s a phone, tablet, two-way radio, or whatever. I used to joke with people that it doubled as an assault weapon. If someone ever broke into my house, I could conk them over the head with the Xoom, knock them out, then use the Xoom to post about it on Twitter while I waited for the cops. THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is utility. 😀

          • LionStone

            Ha! Pretty sure I could knock someone out with my Thunderbolt too! But the battery probably wouldn’t allow me to post about it lol 🙂

          • TylerCameron

            The OG DROID did have a GSM variant. Motorola Milestone.

          • Miguel Angel Portela

            I know. I just wish I had it.

          • Yes, but it ran a Motorola-customized ROM. The only variant that ran stock Android and got updates from Google was the Verizon variant.

          • hoosiercub88

            One acronym.. VoLTE.. then just like the Nexus 7 they will kind of have no means of preventing it.

            No, Google isn’t going to move away from anything, they’ve got a system that’s working quite well for them now. The Nexus 5 will probably be capable of working on VZW but probably won’t be available due to it just being Verizon and people would be pissed off if they couldn’t buy the same phone for the same price as people getting it unlocked on the GP store.

            Also, no.. the Xoom didn’t suck.. what on earth would bring you to a conclusion like that?

          • Miguel Angel Portela

            I briefly had the Xoom and it was oh-so-slow. Also, would VO-Lte be battery efficient?

          • michael arazan

            I’ve been reading that even though VZW will have Volte, they will still have cdma on it as a back up, allegedly for dropped lte network, because we all know highways in between major populous’ don’t have lte, and so they can keep control over their phones.

        • Ralph Bretz

          It would be nice to be able to switch carriers but T-Mobile is non existent where I live. Not even 3G coverage. ATT and Sprint only have 3G. So it doesn’t matter if others unclench or uncross their fingers, the other carriers are not a viable option if they want to use their smart phone for data connection.

          • Miguel Angel Portela

            That’s brutal -_-;

          • Ralph Bretz

            It is brutal. It sucks my only option to have a decent data connection is Verizon. I actually went to the Sprint store this weekend to mess around and the 3G connection was weak. But on the the good side Sprint just updated/upgraded 10 towers/antenni in my area so hopefully I can unclench.

        • InvaderDJ

          AT&T and T-Mobile are good options and Verizon users who can would be well suited to switch, but the site is called DROID-Life. It was founded on covering Verizon Android phones and will have a large Verizon customer following.

          • Miguel Angel Portela

            I should note that I don’t mean to call out Verizon users. I mean to say the relationship between Nexus and Verizon seems to be all but dead. It just doesn’t seem to be happening anymore.

          • hoosiercub88

            AT&T is just as bad as Verizon when it comes to being dicks about locking things down.. remember that one time whenever you couldn’t sideload apps on an AT&T branded Android device? Not to mention they’re just as expensive too.. T-Mobile is definitely more affordable but their network lacks a lot in a lot of places.. so contrary to common believe, people can’t just switch. Especially those of us locked into unlimited and until Verizon literally takes it from us, nobody is going anywhere.

        • Mr ilheis

          In my case it all comes down to the coverage and the speeds. I’ve had VZW for a decade and no one can beat the deal I have so I bite the bullet and go with what I deem best at the time. Currently LG G2.

        • Michael Atkinson

          It’s a simple waiting game waiting for 2014 with all lte devices to finally get rid of cdma

      • Philip J. Fry
        • decidedtochangename

          I wonder how different that’ll look in another month.

          • Big_EZ

            A couple percent lower at most. I think the number will change more drastically after Verizon starts forcing us off of unlimited data.

    • michael arazan

      I’d gladly pay $600 again for it though like I did with my galaxy nexus just to have it on Verizon.

      Can you hear me meow Verizon?

  • mustbepbs

    Are you guys gonna be reviewing the LG G Pad 8.3?

    • LionStone

      That’d be nice…

      • mustbepbs

        Apparently not looking at the downvotes..

        • LionStone

          Back to zero, still got game! 🙂

  • Beefy

    id be all over that

  • AndrewScottRox

    I’m guessing this won’t comply with Verizon’s LTE network? Or maybe we will have the same fiasco as the Nexus 7?

    • No. Until Verizon gets Voice-Over-LTE deployed on their network, you’ll never see an unlocked phone that works on Verizon. This is due to the fact that the phone would have to support CDMA2000 for voice calls and 3G/1X data fallback when outside of LTE coverage.

      The Nexus 7 gets away with it because it has no CDMA2000 support at all. Since it’s data only, it doesn’t need it for voice calls, and for data, it just drops data coverage once you leave LTE. The Nexus 7 can’t fall back to 3G or 1X on Verizon’s network like it can on GSM networks like AT&T and T-Mobile.

      • Edward Coles

        Why couldnt someone use google voice for voice calls?

        • Because no manufacturer would bother releasing a PHONE that allows data on someone’s network but not voice calls. Google Voice on Android phones doesn’t make VOIP calls anyway…it uses the cellular network because it just integrates with the dialer.

          • Michael Harrison

            Correct! Originally, a long time ago, it used to make calls over data. But the carriers obviously sent a huge “hell no” to Google and made them switch it to cell network.

          • Wow that must have been version 1.0 because I definitely don’t remember the Google Voice app for Android ever making VOIP calls.

          • UniBroW

            I’m pretty sure it never did, what you used to be able to (and still can) is initiate a call over data but you’d receive a call from Google and that would then initiate the call to whom you were calling.

            I’ve had Grooveip and it works but it’s far from perfect and eventually I gave up on it. More recently, my brother has been using it since he’s on the T-mobile $30 unlimited data plan but says it’s flaky and honestly the voice quality even real good wifi connection isn’t that great.

          • krweby

            If you have GrooveIP installed you can make phone calls with Google voice over data.

          • That’s still immaterial to the original point. No OEM would ever release a phone that says “This will do LTE data on Verizon but if you want to make voice calls, you’re going to have to use GrooveIP or another VOIP service.” As soon as they did, they just destroyed any chance they had at sales.

            That’s cool, though, that GrooveIP allows you to do that.

          • starnovsky

            They just don’t need to market is as a phone. It could be something like iPod Touch is to iPhone – pocket sized tablet.

          • krweby

            But it isn’t a voip service it’s more of a voip client that utilizes Google Voices voip services. So there is no charges other than the cost of the app.

          • I don’t dispute that. The point is this: In 2013, the expectation of a device sold as a phone and advertised as compatible with a particular network is that it supports the maximum data speeds the network is capable of, can fall back to slower protocols if needed, and can make voice calls using the carrier’s own network without the need for 3rd party add-ons. Those conditions are incapable of being met on Verizon with an unlocked device until such a time that Verizon rolls out VoLTE on their network. That was my point. No more or less deep than that.

        • Bunklung

          Because of 911 calls. A “phone” must be able to call 911.

          • Good point. I didn’t even consider the 911 aspect.

      • Droidzilla

        Why are people downvoting you? This is good, legit info right here.

        • Because I’m the guy everyone on DL loves to downvote. I post a lot of stuff that’s brash, brazen, but always true. So these days I think a lot of people see me and just don’t bother to read, they just go straight for the downvote button. Fine with me. 😀

          • Ian Smith

            no, you’re wrong – i’m the guy that everyone loves to downvote. don’t steal my thunder

          • Ian Smith

            downvoting myself

          • Stone Cold

            Yes it seems like many dislike you here but from what I have seen your posts are spot on.

          • Thanks, man. I just do what I do…namely state things the way they are, engage in gratuitous amounts of “letting the truth get in the way of a good story”, and gain amusement from people’s reactions to it. haha

      • SkylaC90

        unless Google were to implement VoIP calls in Hangouts and send sms and mms through data. Then it wouldn’t be a problem, all you’d need then is bands 4 & 13. this is all under the assumption you still have unlimited data of course.

      • LionStone

        Should just post that under ever Nexus article so people can get with it.

    • jscofi

      Hmm well if it does VZW LTE only, you could attempt to make do with voice over data in the new hangouts.

    • MichaelFranz

      voice would need to be through CDMA, so i doubt it.

  • Mort

    Not according to Ron Amadeo of Anandtech:

    >This listing is for hardware revision 1.1, which is already out in the wild, and doesn’t have LTE. In fact, the Nexus 4 is up to revision 1.3.[1] That version doesn’t have LTE either. This is just the Bluetooth people being sloppy with their listing.


    • Greyhame

      Ron Amadeo of ArsTechnica*

      • Mort

        Edited. I knew he went from one A* blog to another.

        • Bob G

          Didn’t even realize he left AP lol.