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Samsung Exec Promises 64-bit Architecture in Upcoming Phones

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One of the more interesting announcements to come out of the iPhone debut earlier this week was that Apple has put the work in to make sure their upcoming flagships would be on the 64-bit standard. True to form, we saw the rest of the mobile industry reacting to what Apple has done with Samsung as no exception. Co-CEO for Samsung, Shin Jong-Kyun, has been quoted as saying that Samsung would join in on the 64-bit architecture in their upcoming phones. 

64-bit is just the next step as far as processors go. It just started becoming standard on desktops and laptops within the past two years or so and it seems like mobile processors are following soon as well. Jong-Kyun said that the next step is coming, but it might not be coming that quick, “Not in the shortest time. But yes, our next smartphones will have 64-bit processing functionality.” He could be the Galaxy S5 or Note 4 for all we know. At some point, though, Samsung will have a 64-bit device.

That being said, Android will have to get some updates before 64-bit can fully be taken advantage of. Maybe that will be something we see in Kit Kat? Are you excited for 64-bit architecture in your phone?

Via: Pocketnow | KoreaTimes

  • MichaelCrackMonkey

    64 Bit ONLY means the processor will be able to directly access much larger blocks of memory. 32 Bit processors can “directly” access about 4GB where as 64Bit will access substantially more. This means that if you were running some huge memory intensive data processing application you could work on much larger chunks through DMA (Direct Memory Access) Intel processors for many years used a “Segmented” architecture long before 32 or 64 bit processors were available. The machine would split large blocks of physical memory into 16 or 32 bit segments and then through a specialized DMA mechanism access those blocks using Segment or Index Registers allowing as a way to “access” memory in a pseudo-direct fashion beyond the built in limitation. And until Android is updated to recognize and use 64 Bit memory and instruction architecture it will get you nowhere quick.

    Once 64 Bit architectures are in place it could lead to higher speed applications as well as a significant boost in the processing of audio and graphic data as well as open the door to new types of applications that perform intense signal processing and data analysis. Essentially with the right sensors added in your phone will be your personal computer, navigation device, personal health monitor, library, encyclopedia, personal identity device (Drivers License, ID cards, etc), Wallet, and Video Phone.

  • Elliot Kotis

    It…..won’t much an ounce of a different. Hardware isn’t strong enough.

  • wmsco1

    First I am not a pc guy. But in the article I read just before Apple big Event was that 64 bit coming next yr. by Samsung for Android. Would increase speed but more importantly a less battery pull. About a 20% longer battery life. I was waiting to see if Ron was going to mention it on the live google + chat ep.35 in what he thought about the new Iphone’s and the 64 bit. So I will watch and wait.

    • MichaelCrackMonkey

      64 Bit will have no impact on battery life other than a possible Negative impact because of more memory requiring more power. The power requirements for RAM is fairly small as it is but every BIT in a block of memory requires some voltage to register a 1 or 0 value. It also takes power to read and write those larger blocks of memory and power to maintain the data they contain. Battery life improvement will come as processors and associated components use less power and as Battery architecture improves.

  • http://www.techmantis.net/ Minja Miketa

    The only real upside of the 64bit architecture is that it can take advantage of more than 4 gigs or ram. Considering that we aren’t getting that at the moment it’s useless. Especially in the iPhone’s 1GB of ram. Android might actually need it in like a year to a year and a half.

    • blootz

      apple starts trends, ie. 64bit, android will soon follow. motorola will downgrade to 8bit to save power and still charge the same as curent top end phones. Verizon will stick an extra 10$ on top of all new phones to be on their network, which if your in any major city weather on att or Verizon wont matter in terms of connection anyway. The sun will still rise tomorrow and life on earth still goes on…

  • NIGHTSCOUT

    WTF is wrong with people…..64bit will make no difference in performance on a RISC processor For Facks Sake…..

  • Manny

    What a surprise. Apple innovates and android well……

    • Diablo81588

      Apple innovates? Seriously? 64 bit processor with 1 gig of ram is completely useless.

      • Manny

        If it’s useless. Then why does it feel that samsung had to run out and announce this almost as if not to be left behind? If it was useless this article wouldn’t even be on here.

        • Diablo81588

          Because Apple is retarded and makes the general public believe it’s a big deal to differentiate themselves from their competitors. That, and Samsung is a copycat and mimics everything Apple does, so naturally they’ll scramble to make sure everyone knows that their products will have that also. I’m sure the s5 will have a finger print reader as well.

          • Manny

            Maybe we should be examining your intelligence. Apple is one of the most Succesfull companies in the world being run by some of the smartest most educated in the world. It’s obvious they’re doing something right regardless of anyone’s opinion including mine. When ever Samsung or any other android vender can make a claim like that be sure and let me know

  • trophynuts

    hey guys…stop thinking phones for a minute and think TAblets…Also it’s better to transition to x64 now and give your devs time to work with it. In two years from now phones will have 4gb of ram. Even though it will take Android devs 7 years to get their apps to work with it not to mention all of the OS fragmentation….i would hate being a dev that had to maintain code for 3 different versions of Android and then also a x64 bit version as well

  • joejoe5709

    I’m not super techy when it comes to this sort of thing, but it’s my understanding that the majority of the reason for 64bit is to have more RAM. Okay… well our phones are already far and above more powerful than most decent desktop computers 3-5 years old and they have more than enough power for the current app market and operating systems out there. I mean even an iPhone does fine with what… 1GB of RAM? And a dual-core processor? So correct me if I’m wrong but this 64bit thing is more about future proofing and/or bragging rights than it is helping us in the present. By the time 64bit becomes relevant and usable, we’ll be on the iPhone6S and the Galaxy S6. It’s all kind of pointless… How about we focus on more durable phones and better battery life instead?

    • Diablo81588

      Phones are not more powerful than 5 year old desktops. Not even close. Just because they have more cores doesn’t mean it has better performance. Remember these mobile processors are ultra low power, and they have good performance for their power usage, but don’t compare to desktop class processors by any means.

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  • CHRIS42060

    I would bet money that the most asked question to Siri on Tuesday was “What does a 64-bit processor mean”

  • Chippah

    Screw you for showing us and screw VZW for no White Toro!
    wanted but couldnt have.. Waaaa

  • droidrazredge

    According to a recent rumor reported by Engadget, SamMobile, & CNET Samsung Executive promises to supercharge the home button on the Samsung Galaxy 5S with a built-in fingerprint sensor called SmartTouch-ID.

  • Knlegend1

    All I’m gonna say is told you so.

  • droidrazredge

    Samapple needs to be less of like Apple and more like Samsung and fix their current problems with TWIZZ and quality before they tackle on new problems

  • Kanaga Deepan N

    That 64bit processor support is coming on KitKat 4.5 version…

  • TheRobotCow

    But not with touchwiz…….

  • mgamerz

    I don’t think 64bit is as big an issue for Android as it is for iOS, since we have a Virtual Machine that translates all the bytecode into system calls. It’s the same reason most apps don’t need conversion for x86 or the other versions of ARM.

  • dark_funk

    64-bit processors have been around since 2003, and have been standard since about 2007/2008 (once Core2 displaced all earlier Intel chips) on the desktop/laptop side. OSes dragged a couple years behind, but 64-bit support came to Windows and MacOSX in 2005. So it feels like mobile is somewhere between 5-10 years behind in this regard, but that’s about right in terms of the raw performance of mobile chips vs. desktop chips. Anyway, good to see this advancement happening.

    • samari711

      If you want to be pedantic 64bit chips have existed as far back as 1991, they’re all RISC architecture stuff like MIPS and SPARC. ARM is a RISC architecture too but I’m guessing they stuck with 32bit early on to keep the size and power consumption down.

      • dark_funk

        Yeah, I was curious so I did some research and came up w/ those dates. I kept it to consumer-level stuff for that post, but I remember hearing that SGI workstations were running 64-bit chips when I was first getting interested in CGI back in the mid 90s. Crazy how far we’ve come.

  • schoat333

    Well, I guess this means we will see more than 4gb of RAM in the near future. Why waste time doing this otherwise?

  • mustbepbs

    Already behind, Samsung. Apple just came out with 128-bit chips in their iPhone 5S.

    Yahoo Tech news told me so.

  • PapiBone5

    Samsung Exec says that now that the iPhone has 64bit, we will copy it, that is what we do best! Samsung needs to play it’s own game.

    • Tojen1981

      The problem is, it actually makes sense for Samsung since they would be closer to being able to utilize 64-bit architecture to its fullest extent. I would imagine Samsung will have a 4gb ram phone out by q1/q2 of 2015.

    • mgamerz

      This just in: Samsung introduces 16-bit phone.

    • middlehead

      You’re bad at this.

  • RaptorOO7

    Ok, so they will have it. But will Qualcomm make it for them for everyone or will we have to live with Exynos only options.

  • Walter Partlo

    I want more bits, more GBs, and more of the WiFi’s. Oh, and don’t forget MOAR mAhs.

    • michael arazan

      Give me more mAh’s or give me death, since the battery will die

  • MichaelFranz

    Nice white GNEX :)

  • JohanV

    Great, now iFans are going to point out even more that Samsung copies everything.

    • Downtoearth2

      Apple copied Samsung Policarbonate phone(plastic) with iPhone 5C.

      • Zombiest

        I have the GS3 and that thing ain’t polycarbonate, Maybe on the GS4 or Note 3 but not the GS3, What apple did is better in my opinion. reinforcing the flimsy cheap feel of plastic with metal was a really good Idea. Even though I don’t want the 5C it’s a step up, and plastic is plastic at this point. Samsung wasn’t the first company to use plastic in its products so by that logic Samsung copied someone else.

    • Ryan Stewart

      Samsung should have framed it as:

      “yeah, this is the standard in the next specification of ARM so of course we will be going 64bit to be future proof.” Since nobody actually designs these chips, just customizes licensed architecture.

  • samari711

    nit pick: 64 bit chips have been widespread since about 2005 and 32 bit chips vanished from new systems in 2007 or so. Wide availability of 64bit Windows was 2009

    • trumpet444

      I bought a brand new HP laptop in ’09 that was 32 bit

      • SparkysShocker

        The OS may have been but the chip likely wasn’t

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    I don’t even know why it matters.

  • StuckOnVerizonForever

    if you ask why then you don’t know what innovation means.

  • brkshr

    Yippy skippy…

  • Torrey Shelton

    What about the Nintendo 64 being 64 bit? That sure as hell didnt have 4GB of ram. It had like 4MB of ram.

    • T4rd

      8 MB with the expansion pack! =p

      But the N64 wasn’t an x86 based system. 64-bit CPUs in PCs started becoming standard back in 2005 with the Athlon 64 series CPU though. Definitely not within the last two years, lol.

      • Torrey Shelton

        Neither is the iPhone x86 based either. Still dont see what the significance is

        • T4rd

          There is no significance until software is made to take advantage of it. I was really replying to the authors comment about 64 bit processors only becoming the standard in the past couple years.

    • EC8CH

      Yeah… but it had Goldeneye… so it was awesome anyway.

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      • EricRees

        But what about Super Smash Bros?

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    • samari711

      the N64 used a 64bit MIPS CPU, which is a completely different (and much simpler) architecture from x86.

  • Franklin7777

    The real reason this is happening is that ARMv8 is the next evolutionary step in making high-performance ARM processors, and if you’re going to do ARMv8, 64-bit (AARCH64) support comes with. As far as ARM itself goes, I’m guessing A15 is the highest perf ARMv7 core they’re going to develop. The next “big things” out of them are going to be Cortex-A53 and A57, which are ARMv8/AARCH64 parts. Yeah, the 64-bit thing is nice, but it’s just there kinda because of the move to ARMv8.

    • Franklin7777

      ARMv8 is fully backwards compatible with ARMv7 32-bit stuff, so this should be a seamless transition.

      • DoctorJB

        IIRC from the PC conversion to 64bit, there is a slight loss of performance in the conversion of 32bit instruction sets to 64bit for 64bit CPUs.

        • Franklin7777

          x86 and ARM are two wildly differing architectures.

          • Daistaar

            Hence no Windows on Tablets (outside of Surface or Arm-based W8)

    • j

      This pretty much. I feel like people are going to come to conclusions and call this a reactionary step in response to Apple innovation, when reality, ARM completely dominates mobile processing and everything will be trending this way.

      • Franklin7777

        No matter what Apple says, the reasoning I posted above applies to them to. Move to ARMv8->get 64 bit.

        • j

          Yes exactly what I was getting at. 95ish% of mobile chips use ARM instruction sets, even if they aren’t based directly on an ARM core (like qualcomm snapdragons). So yes when they move to from 7 to v8.. that’s it!

    • Franklin7777

      And since I’m in the habit of replying to myself, I’m guessing that what Samsung is talking about here is either a quad-core or octa-core A53/A57 big.little processor. They were the first to get a crack at ARM’s A15 (which had all sorts of problems), so it might follow that they’ll be the first out of the gate with an A53/A57 processor.

  • SkullOne

    And who cares? Give me a phone with 4GB RAM and a meaningful performance difference between 32/64 and then I’ll care. We’ve been through this once before already with AMD vs Intel. It was yawn worthy then. This time it’ll just drive us all insane with Apple’s drivel about magical unapologetically plastic crap they had “first”

  • Realistic87

    Great apple managed to turn another old thing into a new buzzword

    maybe the note 4 will have 4gigs of ram or more

  • EC8CH

    I KNEED MOAR BITZ!

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  • http://www.twitter.com/nblufire12 Nathan Patel

    i guess its good to start the transition to 64bit apps sooner rather than later so its not messy. however theres not much performance difference when we’re still stuck on 2gb RAM…

    • Andrew

      At least I’m not the only one who understands how computers work

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        I don’t think 64bit is as big an issue for Android as it is for iOS, since we have a Virtual Machine that translates all the bytecode into system calls. It’s the same reason most apps don’t need conversion for x86 or the other versions of ARM.

    • Omar

      I hope they don’t. 64bit apps are usually inefficient. And yeah unless phone RAMs exceed 4GB 64bit processors will be useless and energy consuming.

      • JBartcaps

        Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t you only have to have an app utilize 64 bit if it needs it? Like i don’t see Snapchat ever needing to be 64 bit. I could be looking at this totally wrong though

        • discstu37

          Think of mobile phones as the next gen Xbox One or PS4. They have the graphical and CPU horsepower to support next gen gaming, but lack the architecture. This basically will make mobile devices able to be on par to be comparable to a PC or gaming console.

          • DoctorJB

            Prolly more like the Nintendo 64 (which was also 64bit). The hardware will be able to use 64bit instructions and address >3.7gb of ram. However, the OS and all of the programs will still be programmed in 32bits, requiring 32bit emulation and won’t allow use of the additional memory.

          • jon

            except for IOS7 which is programmed for 64bit on the 5s
            so unless samsung plans on rewriting android to support 64bit or Google does it themselves then a 64 bit GS5 will be pointless and end up being a me-too thing

          • DoctorJB

            Are all of the IOS developers going to recode their apps? How many windows programs can you name that have 64bit versions? Bear in mind that Windows has had 64bit for 12 years.

          • Daistaar

            Apparently on iOS it only took 4 hours to rework that sword game from 32 to 64 bit. Of course, without app support, it would be pointless. I can’t really think of any number crunching apps or cpu process intensive apps on Android (Nothing I use anyway).

          • Elliot Kotis

            What memory benefits, the iPhone 5S shell wouldnt even fit 4GB’s of RAM.

          • HarvesterX

            It was relatively painless porting applications over from 32bit to 64bit in Windows. Espcially if the developers had used the newer data models and latest headers (I worked mainly with C+). If so, then the same code base could be either compiled in 32bit or 64bit with a simple compiler switch.

            For older applications that didn’t use the newer data types (the easiest way to explain it is to just say Visual Studio allowed the usr of data types which were dynamic with regarda to what environment you are compiling in), first I had to compile the source in 64bit and then deal with all error messages that popped up. Mainly these dealt with dependency issues and required me to change header files around and wasn’t a huge issue.

            Then I took a look at my data types and how I used them. Often I was pointed in the right direction from errors I got about. Beyond that, there wasn’t much more to it. The operating systems (and to a greater degree, the kernel) code is what will change the most. We use Java to write Android apps (similar in many ways to C+). As far as accessing larger memory blocks, we don’t (as app developers) see that or care. As long as I have the memory allocated when I need it, then great. And as long as my app is ported to take advange of being able to move twice the data per cpu cycle, sven better. But the standard application won’t see any real benefit. Games and any other app that needa accesss to very large memory will benefit most, as stated.

          • DoctorJB

            Thanks for the information. I wonder why so many of the windows programs are 32bit still. Maybe Apple will be more successful in convincing their developers to convert the programs (and continue to update both versions).

          • Elliot Kotis

            Funny how the iPhone 5S is only 1-2GB, so nothing changes.

          • Elliot Kotis

            To console* PC still has a 200% edge on next-gen consoles….maybe that is why MS and sony use PC’s to show the games at their conferences using a emulator.

    • DoctorJB

      There is also a slight loss of performance in the conversion of 32bit instruction sets to 64bit for 64bit CPUs. Plus, 32bit applications can’t use the additional addressed memory until they are converted to 64bit.

      The first 64bit version of Windows was released in 2001 and there are still 32bit versions 12 years later. It may be the future but there’s no reason to change just yet.

      • http://www.twitter.com/nblufire12 Nathan Patel

        more fragmentation. yay!

    • Leonardo Rojas

      You’ve received way too many upvotes for such a simple comment. n.n

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        call me the apple of comments haha

    • Elliot Kotis

      Funny that, the iPhone 5S is the first quadcore iPhone and probably only has 1-2GB and they still use it for marketing.

      • meaemmes

        its dual core