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Nokia CEO: Google Closing the Doors on Android’s Open Ecosystem

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With all the smack talk that Nokia’s CEO Stephen Elop does about Android, you wonder if there is any time left in the day to worry about his own ecosystem. During the conference to discuss Nokia’s Q4 earnings, Elop couldn’t help but name drop Android and speak his mind about the situation lately.

Elop said that Android’s case of fragmentation is being counteracted by Google’s “efforts to turn an open ecosystem into something that’s quite a bit more closed as you’ve seen quite recently.” Elop is still parading the “fragmentation” buzzword around while also insinuating that Google is actively trying to close their Android ecosystem.

Pretty harsh words coming from a CEO towards the competition during their own conference to talk about profit numbers. Google and Android seem to be doing fairly well for themselves at the moment, maybe Elop can find some time to bring Nokia back into the competitive market instead of slinging insults.

Via: The Verge

  • SecurityNick

    do da do do, do da do do, do da do do daaaaa. How many times do you think that was heard at this conference? #mostannoyingringtoneever

  • Zebelious

    I’m not a CEO of any company but I had figured out there is nothing ‘open’ about Android’s ecosystem ages ago. The only way to realise this is by just to view this with open mind and not being a “Brand Slave”.

  • shindo107

    Fat Matt Damon is mad.

  • http://twitter.com/JohnnyACE562 GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

    Sour grapes. {{-_-}}

  • Cuberly

    So the solution is Nokia taking a position of righteous obscurity?

  • droyd4life

    One does not simply

    Bash Google.

  • MooleyBooleyTroll

    Elop is Ballmers wife.

  • socalrailroader

    It’s true though, and Google is doing an Apple on Microsoft in order to try and squash their competition, whatever happened to the old Google of “Do no evil” ?

    • socalrailroader

      Seriously, sometimes this site is as fanboyish as BGR, I own a Nexus 4, and a Nokia Lumia 920, both are awesome phones, and both have their pros and cons.If you will check, the Lumia 920 happens to be one of the most popular phones in many parts of the world now.

  • John Burke

    10% of Android devices run Jellybean which represents how many devices…probably around the same amount as those running WP8 if Nokia’s lucky

  • Aaron

    I remember my old Nokia phones with such fondness. Sure they were simple, but all cell phones were. They had service everywhere. My first one had a monochrome screen with a green backlight. It would go two weeks on a single charge. You could drop it from the top of a building. Nokia completely squandered all the good will they had with consumers. Pity.

  • Trevor

    Wait, Nokia’s still around? Maybe this guy should focus on making his company stop sucking, THEN he can worry about bashing Android.

  • http://twitter.com/Geovanni_Hiero Geo

    The smartphone beta test is over

  • Kevin Niven

    LMAO!!!!! Tool!

  • TheRealBeesley

    More like E-FLOP, amirite?

  • MooleyBooleyTroll

    When I think Openness I surely don’t think Apache License…

  • http://twitter.com/homncruse Aaron Burke

    Because when I think openness, I think Windows. *snort*

  • shecalledmejay

    Honestly I think normal consumer don’t know what version of android they’re on, so they don’t care. Then you have the hacking and rooting community that will make sure they get a phone they like and hack it to their liking. And finally you have the ppl who use android phones for business and they are probably sticking to what works (note 2, galaxy 3) as a business phone, so I don’t see the problem with fragmentation.

    • Christopher Riner

      Yeah I think you’re right for the most part–a lot of people don’t have any idea what the difference(s) is/are between gingerbread and jelly bean, and so they could really care less. But only BC they don’t know what’s out there. Any time I show my gf’s friends (most of whom run ginger bread) stuff like the new multi tasking or Google now, tho— they want those features.

    • joejoe5709

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it has more to do with developers and the difficulty of designing apps especially when compared to iOS’s ecosystem. But you’re absolutely right. I’ve yet to meet one person that knew the difference between Gingerbread and ICS let alone the difference between ICS and JB. Whenever I see a phone running GB that should have been updated it kills me, but the average consumer definitely has no idea. Buuuut that brings us to another problem. Most people think their phone is crap with outdated crap software when it could be soooo much better if they simply just updated. So they switch to WP or iOS out of frustration. Look at how many people are still on Donut or Eclair. Even Gingerbread accounts for nearly 50% of Android. Ouch! This is a serious problem.

      • shecalledmejay

        Yeah that and average consumers people really don’t realize they can update because when my friends look at my Gnex with a custom they don’t ask what version of android I’m running,they ask what kinda phone do I have. thats when I figured out it doesn’t matter to them they just think it’s the phone not and OS version. and the developers make sure their apps work for the majority of the android users thats why everybody with the later phones are not really compatible but to me I just sideload the app and run into little to no problems

  • Jérôme Besnard

    Elop learned from Balmer, when he was at Microsoft, how to trash talk.

  • ShaneDroid1up

    “maybe Elop can find some time to bring Nokia back into the competitive market instead of slinging insults.” Bazinga!!!

  • BrianT

    These guys are so detached from what is going on in the real world. There are thousands of kids coding the next cool thing using SDK.

  • Greg Morgan

    Between him and Ballmer, they must both get high before talking to the press.

  • EvanTheGamer

    Screw Elop and screw Nokia! What a bunch of tools.

  • SMoose

    But…does he have a point?

    http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

    Almost 50% of devices are still stuck on Gingerbread

    30% are on ICS

    10% on Jelly Bean.

    10% still on Froyo.

    Yes, Android JELLYBEAN is a much better OS than Windows Phone 8. What about the other 90% of users?

    Just sayin’…

    • schoat333

      I’d take Gingerbread over WP8 any day.

      • Fattie McDoogles

        I wouldn’t. Windows 8 is nice.

        • http://twitter.com/davidbavin David Bavin

          I tried WP8 for a week. It is so behind dude. No notification center, lack of apps, and you can’t even turn on your flashlight and send a text message.

          • Abhijeet Mishra

            I tried WP7.5 for a week, and yeah, sooo many limitations, specially on multitasking etc like you gave an example of. I’d take Gingerbread over WP8 or iOS any day as well.

          • Fattie McDoogles

            But once upon a time people we saying the same thing about Android especially in the app department.

          • Abhijeet Mishra

            I’ve used Android since Eclair, and not counting apps, WP7/WP8 still have limitations, specially in things like multitasking etc, that get irritating after a while. Of course, many have no issues with the OS and if you’re one of those that can get used to WP8, then that’s your choice. :)

      • raddacle

        Gingerbread? Pretty sure I’d even take Froyo

        • Droidzilla

          I’d take freaking Cupcake on general principle. Microsoft thinks they’re entitled to a slice of the mobile pie simply by virtue of their ubiquity in the desktop space, so they haven’t even brought an intriguing product to the market. They just made something different and nigh demand to be taken seriously as a mobile player. They can’t fail fast enough for that hubris, imo.

    • mustbepbs

      Kind of reminds us of the Lumia debacle where users were given Windows Phone 7.5 instead of 8.

      Fragmentation, Elop?

    • http://twitter.com/belogical2 Be Logical

      So you expect 2 year old phones to have the latest OS?

    • binder dundat

      That’s why there’s xda.. Do it yourself!

    • Fattie McDoogles

      No you’re right. But there’s fragmentation on all platforms. How many users are running Windows 7 vs. Windows 7.5 vs. Windows 8 (especially considering you can’t upgrade to Windows 8)? And Apple has the same problem as more and more devices get stranded on old OS versions. I wish people would stop throwing Android under the bus because we are open with our information.

      • Scott Kerr

        The beauty of Apple though is checking for software update, then downloading and installing it. None of this carrier mess holding up updates for months on end. One has to wonder if “fragmentation” would be such a problem in Android if it wasn’t for skinned operating systems and carriers “testing”.

        • hfoster52

          That was the nice thing about iPhone Market share for Apple. If the carriers wanted to get into the iPhone love that AT&T had they had to come aboard with this philosophy. Google didn’t take that approach so that carriers would take the phones easier. But the carriers need to take some responsibility with this since they accepted this and built this upgrade flaw into their systems.

          • Scott Kerr

            This…

          • Fattie McDoogles

            I don’t think its the carriers fault. I think Apple’s closed philosophy is what drives the perception that they don’t have to deal with this same process. That and the continuity of their devices. The fact that their are 1000 different Android devices makes it so much harder for updates and what makes it seem so time consuming. Look how long each Apple update takes to come out. It’s still about the same about of time as each version of Android. The only difference is they have clout so Apple devices get through testing first. And they wait until ALL devices have been approved to announce the software update that way its one smooth process. That’s all. Google could easily do the same thing with their Nexus devices. The problem for OEM’s comes from having too many devices. If they only put out a couple devices a year it would be much easier to get them all updated quickly.

        • Fattie McDoogles

          The reason that all updates get released at the same time is because Apple goes through all those phases before they announce new software so that it is released on all devices at the same time. Do you really think Verizon and AT&T let ANYONE release anything with their names attached without checking it out first?! Come on, man! Now I definitely think Apple has a fast track through testing when it comes to updates and carrier testing but they definitely have to do it too.

          If Google waited to announce their software versions until all the Halo devices were ready to receive it the process would be viewed completely different and if the OEM’s did the same thing again you would have a completely different perception of the process, as you have just proven with your statements about Apple.

        • Abhijeet Mishra

          It wouldn’t be, but the whole point of Android is to let manufacturers and carriers make their own modifications (one Google official was even disappointed that carriers haven’t done much to differentiate), so it’s simply a disadvantage of the openness and freedom. :/

        • Tony Allen

          But even with the iphone… Fragmentation exists within their own closed ecosystem.

    • NorCalGuy

      What your saying is it googles fault but what you are not seeing is the fact that Google has no say in how fast phone manufacturers and carriers update their software.. But when Google does have full control (minus Vz gnex) the phones and tablets are immediately updated just like when apple wants to do an update they take the last two generations of phones that they have full control over and update them all at once but then every person that has a 2 generation or older phone is out in the cold. I bet within the next year all the two year contracts will be up on GB phones and there will be the major fluxuation to newer phones that can handle the new software.

    • http://www.impulsivestudios.com/ Justin Myers

      Gotta love OEMs and Carriers… Google releases the updates. OEMs and carriers are responsible for making the device work with the updates. Not Google.

      • Fattie McDoogles

        Yes and No. Google could wait to announce updates like Apple does. Its a perception issue not a fragmentation issue.

        • http://www.impulsivestudios.com/ Justin Myers

          Doesn’t Google wait six months? Maybe if the OEMs didn’t skin Android so much, they could release in a timely fashion. My Thunderbolt is still on Gingerbread, my Rezound is still on ICS and my S3 is on 4.1. 4.2 has been out for how long?

          • Fattie McDoogles

            If they wait 6 months to release software there is no reason that their Nexus devices shouldn’t have the latest version of the OS within days of the announce like Apple devices do. As far as OEM versions of Android. I think the issue is quantity of devices. Its hard to maintain the number of devices that they are putting out every year. They have enough trouble getting new devices to come out with the current version of Android, so it’s got to be BRUTAL to try and maintain the rest of their catalog each year. If OEM’s didn’t put out as many devices I think it would be a much faster and easier updating process.

        • http://twitter.com/adrynalyne Adrynalyne

          No, Justin is right. There are too many manufacturers and carriers involved to have any sort of synchronization with updates.

    • http://twitter.com/Lancer033 Keith Hollis

      that’s not on Google though. Android 4.2.something is posted online and free to download and use however you want. It’s the device manufactures that need to support their hardware.

      • Fattie McDoogles

        It is on Google how the update process is perceived. Apple makes it a point to make sure that people don’t think that they have all these issues with carriers so they finish the OS then send it to be tested by carriers and then announce the software when it’s ready to be shipped. Google could easily do this with their Nexus devices.

        • http://twitter.com/adrynalyne Adrynalyne

          Apple completely controls their hardware. Google has no control over hardware. That is the difference. Nexus devices are such a small percentage of Android devices out there that they don’t even register as a blip on the radar for most people.

          • Fattie McDoogles

            But it’s an appearance thing. If the Play Store wasn’t such a mess and Google made it a point to not only keep their Nexus line up to date but actually updated the software at the same time it would give off a much better appearance. They could even require OEM’s to do the same thing with phones on multiple carriers. That’s what marketing is all about and making sure that devices all come out with the latest version of software and making sure that devices are updated simultaneously goes a long way to the perception of a company. Just look at Apple.

          • http://twitter.com/adrynalyne Adrynalyne

            We would be seeing Android updates once a year then. When it comes to updates there is the manufacturer slowing things down, and then the carrier slowing it down further. You can’t really use Apple as an example, because they are the OS provider, AND manufacturer and they have the ability to make carriers bend over for them. Google won’t have that kind of power unless they close the source and start making demands. They would have to do both.

    • J. Gilbertson

      I’d be curious to see the numbers for the Windows Phone OS Upgrades. I seem to remember not too long ago people getting pissed off that their recently purchased windows flagship phone was already not making the cut for the next OS. Mighta been 7.1 to 8? Or 6.1 to 7? I don’t know… I don’t really keep up with windows phone. Looks sleek but I prefer Android.

      • Fattie McDoogles

        It was 7.5 to 8. But they are getting an update that makes their devices ALMOST Windows 8 devices. It’ll be 7.8.

    • hfoster52

      Also how many iPhone or Windows Phone 8 ROM’s are out there?

      • Fattie McDoogles

        No iPhone roms but hundreds of thousands of tweaks and mods and apps you can’t find in the App Store. Windows does have different Roms. I don’t know how many they actually have but I have seen several for the 7 and 7.5 devices.

        • hfoster52

          Sorry I was being sarcastic. There are none.

        • http://twitter.com/adrynalyne Adrynalyne

          Huh….what do they add? Different colors for tiles? :D

          • Fattie McDoogles

            Um… all the choices we really take for granted with Android. Different keyboards and messaging and email clients. Different fonts are really popular and ways to change the arrangement of your homescreens. Stuff like that is really big over there. As well as lockscreen widgets and well widgets in general.

    • http://twitter.com/adrynalyne Adrynalyne

      Android is fragmented, but most apps work on every version. There are a few outliers that do not, but aside from being an incredible developer annoyance, its not that big of a deal to the average smartphone user.

    • kane

      Nobody is stuck one gingerbread. Its tpeopheir choice not to upgrade. All the numbers touted likely include all Android devices. Not just phones.

      • http://twitter.com/homncruse Aaron Burke

        G2x owners like myself disagree with you there. Stuck on Gingerbread, no usable ICS/JB ROMs due to lack of source code, and still stuck on contract for another 5 months.

    • AndroidUser00110001

      I am just sayin’ too…

      He might not be that far off. One other reason can be the lack of AOSP support for the Nexus4. I am gonna go out on a limb and say Samsung will be forking Android one day much like Amazon has done which will kind of force Google to use Moto as their hardware division…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=628170966 Oscar Marquez

      Get a Nexus and problem solved.

      Google Nexus is the same as Apple iOS devices, the users get the latest supported version for their devices.

      Others manufactures change Android, they got to wait for the next version to reapply their changes and fix compatibility bugs.

  • mustbepbs

    Translation:

    We’re pissed we picked the wrong mobile OS to throw our money behind. Google sucks!

    -Nokia CEO

    • http://twitter.com/jamdev12 jamdev12

      Well, I think it was Ballmer the dope that decided to give Elop a few billion to make Windows phones that are sitting on the shelves. Microsoft’s board should be thrown of the wagon and replaced with a new board that can kick Ballmer out.

      • mustbepbs

        Ballmer needs to take his baby head out of his ass and take a look at the sinking ship that is Windows Phone and Windows 8. They’re rebooting Windows 8 next month because he’s a total moron and didn’t have a backup plan to Windows 8 failing, when the writing was all over the wall.

        • WAldenIV

          What’s the reboot plan?

          • mustbepbs

            Don’t know yet. I’m sure it’ll be a SP1 kind of deal where they give you the option to remove the “start screen” for people who don’t want the extra cost or interest in a touch screen, coupled with a free upgrade from Windows XP/Vista/7 since $14.99-$40.00 wasn’t a good enough.

          • WAldenIV

            Thanks.

          • Fattie McDoogles

            That was planned months ago. Its not a reboot its the FULL version of Windows 8. The current version is Windows 8 RT. That was announced long before Windows 8 was ever released.

          • mustbepbs
          • Fattie McDoogles

            Just because some site says that’s the reason doesn’t make it true. This has been the plan for many months now. Its talked about in many of the initial reviews of Windows 8

          • mustbepbs

            Hmm..who will I trust..Fattie McDoogles..or Maximum PC who has known integrity.

          • Fattie McDoogles

            How about the Verge? Or CNet? I choose them over maximum pc any day.

          • mustbepbs

            Verge is heavily Apple biased, and I don’t care much for CNET. Do you have any links to prove that they aren’t doing a reboot next month?

            The Surface Pro is hardly a “reboot”, it’s just Windows 8 on tablets instead of RT. It was always planned.

          • zionlion

            Think he’s talking about Windows 8 on computers…not mobile hardware. Windows 8 RT was for the surface and tablets. All the laptops and desktops now are running full Windows 8 because they can. The Windows 8 Pro release is what I think you’re referring to…which will be for tablets. No snarkiness meant, just clearing things up.

          • Fattie McDoogles

            That’s what I am talking about as well. Windows 8 RT is the only version of Windows 8 that is out right now. There is nothing different about the version of Windows on the Surface as there is on any of the non touch screen laptops or desktops that are coming out right now. Windows 8 Pro (thank you for the name clarification) will be the version that @mustbepbs:disqus is talking about. I am not disagreeing that is coming out. I am simply saying that it was planned and it will allow for a Windows 7 styled experience as well as the Metro version that is currently the only option on Windows 8 devices.

          • Tom Ball

            Windows RT is a stripped down version of Windows 8. Both are already available for purchase as is Windows 8 Pro (Which is the OS I’m using on my laptop right now.)

          • mustbepbs

            Are you a fool? Windows 8 has been available to Desktops and Laptops since October. Windows 8 comes in flavors for those platforms as plain 8 and Pro, while the tablet was RT, limited to the Windows Store.

            SURFACE Pro is a true Windows 8 experience on a tablet, not limited RT.

          • TheRealBeesley

            That is just not true. Windows 8 DOES have a Windows 7 styled desktop already. Are you even running windows 8 on a computer? Your statement would make me believe that is not the case. Metro UI is not the only UI in the Windows 8 version I downloaded for $14.99. Maybe I’m not reading your post correctly and if that’s the case then I apologize.

          • Aaron

            Surface Pro is an x86 based Windows 8 device. Surface RT is ARM based and cannot run any legacy apps. They are planning their reboot around the launch of Surface Pro, but Surface Pro has been slated for launch for a while. The FULL version of Windows 8 has been available on non-touch x86 laptops and desktops since October. Windows RT is only available on ARM based tablets. The reboot that they are referring to is more likely a marketing reboot, and not some kind of rewrite of the whole OS.

          • http://twitter.com/homncruse Aaron Burke

            Ctrl+Alt+Del

          • Fattie McDoogles

            Hahahaha!

          • WAldenIV

            I lol’d.

          • Cuberly

            Its Microsoft, they never plan. They react.

            Day late and a dollar short, as usual.

    • BrianT

      It’s even beyond choosing the wrong OS. These guys made billions exploiting software code and keeping it “closed”. The new reality is that there is no barrier to entry when it comes to Android, which means anyone can make money developing for the platform. There is no way for the corporations to control the software development and shut everyone else out. These guys are hanging on for dear life.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000076089998 Zinaida Serebriakova

        Anyone can make money with Android, but few actually do. They would be no better off than HTC if they jumped in with Android. Atleast with WP they have a backer, Microsoft.

    • master94

      This man has no idea what he is even talking about, He chose Windows phone over Android. No man in his sane mind would do that.

  • http://twitter.com/jamdev12 jamdev12

    Let him spat his bluff. We all know is hot air.