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Samsung and Apple’s Phone Call is Last Effort to Reconcile Before it’s Up to a Jury

Today, a phone call of epic proportion is set to take place between the CEO’s for both Apple and Samsung. Tim Cook and Kwon Oh Hyun will try to make an effort to see if either side can come to terms before Judge Koh and a jury decide their fates. In terms of what is being discussed, in the end, it is a huge sum of cash. Apple is currently seeking $2.75 billion in damages and Samsung looks to pocket nearly $400 million in royalties from misused patents.

According to Judge Koh, jury deliberations could begin as soon as tomorrow, but could take quite some time. The way we see it, the sooner the better. This trial has gone on way too long. Do you have any thoughts on what you would like to see as an outcome?

Via: Bloomberg

  • I think the lawyers should have to give up all their billable hours for wasting Judge Koh’s time. If THEY can’t get paid, the lawsuits will stop!

  • DisqusWontLetMeSignIn

    I would also like to see patent reform… One of the first steps, I think, is getting rid of the ability to patent something just because it is on a new type of device (i.e. email on a phone, rather than a computer). I also think most software patents are bogus (I think copyright is a better IP scheme for software than patents), and if software patents ARE going to exist, I agree with the commenter who said they should have a short duration, as the world of software moves at blazing speed… I think two years should be sufficient.



  • I really need to see some public humiliation of Apple in the main stream media. That’s what I’d like to see. (that and patent reform)

  • What I *want* to happen: Jury decides that all patents in dispute on both sides are null and voided based on prior art and/or obvious processes, and that all tech companies need not worry about infringing upon these patents. Then the judge should ask, “Okay, who’s next?”

  • The jury probably won’t come to a conclusion until December 21, 2012

  • NorCalGuy

    They should just have s-voice and siri talk back and forth… they will get just about as far…

    • michael arazan

      Siri doesn’t understad you, would you like me to search it for you?
      With siri’s lackluster use it would wave all penalties and probably give samsung $2.5 billion because it couldn’t figure out what you were asking for.

  • Alix8821

    Companies copy. It happens. The success Samsung is now seeing has nothing to do with their copying back with the original GS.. If yu see a GSIII next to an iPhone, and confuse them, yu need a hospital! Even my Tab 101., i dunno how people have gotten them confused!It’s 16:9, and plastic, with NO home button… HELLO!

    Anyways… Meet half way, agree this will all end, and be done with it. It STILL annoys me that Apple is acting so innocent and pretending to be the victim…

  • das0527

    I want to see some apples roasting over a campfire made of legal documents.

  • Liderc

    I just want some patent reform to come out of this. This stuff is just getting annoying and it does hurt the consumers. Yes, it could lead to some innovation, but overall if Apple is allowed to own the sandbox, no one else will get to play.

  • sl33p3rc3LL

    you can’t argue this with extremes. it just won’t work that way. i love apple computers, but i’ve grown to really dislike the iphone. as much as i want it gone, it’s just not going to happen.

    with that said, i think the answer that’s appropriate is one inspired by zuckerberg. that being, someone who’s built a nice chair doesn’t owe money to every guy that builds chairs. i think this is the approach we should take. it’s like we’re trying to patent general and popular human actions with devices.

    i’d like to see them just call it all off. lower their guns, and just say that no one owes anyone any money. but, that’s also an extreme, and i can’t imagine it happening. just a pipe dream. hopefully the ending to this is clean, and we keep seeing good devices hit the market with active competition that’s not being tampered by the courts and only left to the opinion of the end user. still a pipe dream, right?

  • mustbepbs

    I think Apple should get an amount from trade dress, considering the Galaxy S looks a lot similar software wise to iOS. However, the 2 billion is way too much. It’s pretty clear that Samsung took a lot of notes from Apple when it comes to iOS and the Galaxy S. Every other phone they brought into the lawsuit is bogus, though.

    And before you call me an Apple fanboy, I own no Apple products, only Samsung/Motorola/Google. I’m just seeing this objectively, and it’s clear that Samsung copied Apple when it comes to the aesthetics of the Galaxy S software theme.

    • MikeCiggy

      But the Galaxy S was thrown out because it wasnt a US sold phone. They are just dealing with the variations of the GS on US networks. Which actually visually look different from the iPhone and GS1

      • mustbepbs

        The international one was thrown out. Please re-read my comment. I said software many times.

    • michael arazan

      It also sounded like that they were using the iphone as the status quo on what consumers were looking for in a phone. Kind of like the old saying, keeping up with the Jones

      • fallenaquila

        Truth in the status-qou part. In the pistol industry the glock 17 is the industry standard for a duty pistol. 17 rounds of 9mm ammo, simple safety interface, 4.5″ barrel, polymer lower wieghing under 2.85 lbs unloaded for.the whole pistol. Almost every manufacturer has made a pistol with all these features and even the striker firing system but glock hasn’t sued anyone for those.

  • Alexander Garcia

    My thoughts… They can both burn in hell! They have both wasted billions of dollars on these stupid lawsuits!

  • frankandsimple

    Apple should NOT take any settlement offer from copycat Shamsung. Shamsung has already been outed as the plagiarist that it is.. will sink to new lows when a legal verdict (which is imminent) will go in favor of Apple… casting Shamsung as nothing but a cheap copy cat.
    Apple shouldn’t stop until the shamsung name is driven into the mud.

    • Liderc

      Do you have a lisp?

      Or are you just an idiot…

      • frankandsimple

        stfu and crawl back under your rock.

      • frankandsimple

        it is not “a lisp”.. it’s just lisp. Go back to school you illiterate moron.

        • Liderc

          You’re not serious are you. So you say, “He has lisp?” lololol

          • frankandsimple

            yea keep laughing.. that does help divert attention from your nonsensical whining like a little girl.

          • Liderc

            Troll of the day award goes to!


          • frankandsimple

            school girl of the day award goes to…….drum roll!!

    • Apple didn’t create the smartphone, the touch screen, the rectangle, the icon, slide to unlock or even pinch to zoom. They have copied everything they do or at least used things that already existed. Yet they are suing everyone for copying? Also what they are suing Samsung for was a couple years ago. ICS and JB have progressed far beyond what iOS is these days and the GS3 looks nothing like an iPhone. iOS has just been copying Andriod features lately. Now that’s innovation.

      • Manny

        Have you been living under a rock. other than looks whats the diffrence from Gingerbread to Jelly bean??? What can you actually do in jelly bean that cant be done in Ginberbread? What did samsungs smartphone look like before and after the orig. Iphone? That’s innovation you moron

        • Adam Marr

          Thumbnail Multitasking, Better launcher integration, swipe notification & notification controls, lockscreen controls. The list goes on when it comes to 2.3 -> 4.0. Apple makes a nice looking and easy to use product, but even they drew design inspiration from other phones. The iPhone 1 was basically a poor copy of the blackberry with a touchscreen, with design nods from Sony. It got much better obviously, but lets be honest, they didn’t really innovate, at least not with what you are referring to, they saw a gap in the market, and created a “prettier” version of something already on the market. They have some of the best designers in the world. But true innovation, not so much. Great timing and a rabid fan-base is really what it at play. Now yes, android changed its tune quite a bit early on (it was planned to be on a keyboard device like BBs, not touchscreens) but now, look at iOS6, feature after feature is an android or android skin rip-off. I’m not bashing them for it, Jobs even famously said “great artists steal”, if these guys want to keep making their phones better, the better that is for everyone in the market. Now, this hurts apple more however because they only release phones annually, only have 1 “skin”, and refuse to open up the OS (not open source, just accessibility – think chrome for iOS and its crippling limitations). But that it not anyone’s fault but Apple’s.

        • Name calling, really? That’s sad dude, especially when you had nothing to say.

      • frankandsimple

        keep smoking whatever it is your smoking.. too bad facts don’t suit you.

        • Mustang5Oh

          That would be “you’re” there genius. Go back to bgr.com and drool over the next iPhone that is still lagging behind Android.

          • frankandsimple

            yea.. lag and Android go well in the same sentence.. How appropriate!
            The iphone can do everything the android can and beyond. Blind fandroids like you will sadly never know…. as long as you are happy with your cheaply made and poorly designed smartphone.

          • Mustang5Oh

            Dang you sure are whitty huh? Must have learned that from standing in line with the rest of the iSheep at the last launch.

          • frankandsimple

            same old tired arguments.. yea yea.. we’re isheep.. keep repeating that to yourself so that you can feel better about your foolish and erroneous choices/decisions in life.
            FYI.. I am currently on Razr Maxx.. been with android for over 2 years.. and spent about 10 months with iphone.. can’t wait to get rid of lagdroid and go back to iphone.
            It’s just like the ceo of shamsung said in his internal memo.. the difference is like heaven and earth!!
            You have fun with your android and figuring out which corner of your gigantic screen the menu button is gonna be on the next app.

          • frankandsimple

            and is that how you spell witty in your part of town? idiot!

        • Apple didn’t create any of that stuff. That is fact. Sorry you can’t stop drinking the kool aid.

          • frankandsimple

            yea, Obama did.

    • fallenaquila

      Its funny how you root USA when apple produces nothing in the US yet Samsung has factory lines in the Austin Texas area.

      • frankandsimple

        I’m sick and tired of explaining all the stuff that apple DOES produce in the US.. please do you own research next time and don’t be a blind apple basher.

      • frankandsimple

        Actually Apple produces quite a bit in the US.. including the die for the A5 processor which is done in Texas. You need to do your homework and understand how businesses work. Most businesses contract a major chunk of their components out after designing it themselves and then giving the specs to the fabricators.

  • Capt. Crunch

    I think neither side should get anything, except Apple should have to pay for Samsung’s legal team for bringing a frivolous lawsuit to court.

    • Guest

      crawl back under your rock moron. Have you even been reading?

      • MonkeyWork

        You’re angry. But I’m not sure why because you made no point.

  • New_Guy

    They’ll get this handled in some way that won’t leave the fate up to people to half care about the whole thing. We’ll hear about it later this evening or tomorrow morning…

  • Mark Lewis

    Best outcome: invalidation of all involved patents because they are obvious or have prior art.

  • LionStone

    I’d like to see the judge tell them to shake hands and go back to making phones…all lawsuits dropped.

  • Dave

    I hope they settle on something so we can get some of this litigating crap behind us. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there will always be patent litigation, but at least it would hopefully pave the way for some peace in the tech world.

  • id like to see the patent system totally overhauled if not totally destroyed.

    • PABNJ

      You can’t do away with the patent system entirely, as it protects companies, many small entrepreneurs who drive innovation in our country. What I really hate about the patent system is its abuse by large corporations. If they could patent a fart, they would do it and charge everyone who had to many baked beans for dinner. Potentially this case could be disastrous for Apple as many of their patents at hand could be invalidated.

  • Dave Sampley

    I would like to see Apple get banned from selling in the US and force the apple fantards to either /wrists or move out of the US.

    • Manny

      Only problem with that is that then all we would be left with is a bunch of non functioning or buggy android devices..

      • fallenaquila

        Versus non-functioning and buggy iPhones? I can’t tell you how many time my iPhone crashed on me. Glad I.was able to sell it for $200 when I switches carriers and got my nexus for free.

  • Finire

    I believe the best possible outcome of this, is the zombie Apocalypse.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Walking Dead Season 3

    • The best possible outcome is both companies lose A TON of sales due to this non-sense, but it won’t happen.


    Thoughts on what I’d like to see? I’d like to see both Apple and Samsung get nothing out of this, software patents should be banished or at least looked at in a way that actually makes a modicum of sense, and we never have to hear about this again.

    • The problem is software patents don’t actually exist. There are just regular patents but given for software. There needs to be specific types of patents just for software with different conditions and rules to them. For example, they should expire quickly as the software world moves quickly. Also, they should be very strict as to what can actually be granted a patent.

      • PhillipCun

        the patent system needs to be reworked and I hope this case would push them to change it. the world is evolving, and things like this need to evolve with it.

      • ERIFNOMI


      • Actually there is no need for software patents in the first place. Everything they need covered falls under copyright law.

    • This!