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New Pictures of the DROID RAZR in the Wild, Makes Its Way Into More Verizon Systems

It’s not like the DROID RAZR is a secret anymore. We have a pre-order date and announcement from Verizon, full specs, and picture and video hands-on with it. We even know that it should receive Ice Cream Sandwich some time in early 2012. It’s a beautiful, powerful and ultra-slim device that will surely be a winner. It may be tough to adopt it as a dev-friendly device though, since it will have a locked bootloader that according to Moto was a “carrier” decision.

Still, to those that could care less about custom ROMs or kernels, this device is one of the leaders in the clubhouse. Most of us are still wondering how Moto managed to fit that LTE radio inside and keep it so damn thin at just 7.1mm.  

Also, the device is now in Big Red’s Equipment Guide giving us another look at specs:

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  • gimlet72

    Just saw a patient of mine who has the RAZR… The screen looks great. Its is super thin.. I was jealous. He would not give it to me.

  • JP

    The Verizon logo on the front is misplaced.  By putting it under the screen and above the capacitive buttons, it breaks the illusion of a unified interface when interacting with the device.  

    Not to mention, having to stare a the Verizon logo all the time when using your phone is annoying. Brand it on the back, and be done.  We know which network we’re using…we pay the bills every month!

  • KG

    Wakie wakie Kellex.. need moar nexus neuz!

  • Justin Kos

    need moar nexus!

  • Monday morning at 8:15 and no new stories?

  • Want the Nexus because it’s a true Google phone, and should be updated accordingly, but love the sexy hardware of the RAZR, decisions, decisions…

  • Anonymous

    So here is my thoughts/questions about purchasing the RAZR.
    1. It will receive ICS in early 2012. (now i know that people worry about that meaning may, but I think Q1 for an iconic phone like the RAZR brand).
    2. Google is buying Motorola soon, therefore its in Googles best interest to support their devices first and quickly.
    3. Building and maintaining an Iconic brand is extremely important for any company, and few could argue that the Droid/RAZR has to succeed, and set high standards.
     
    So for a non developer like myself, who just wants to root just to run a few “extra” apps, I’m thinking the RAZR is a good choice for a 2 year marriage. It may be behind currently because of ICS starting somewhere else, but what will it be like in 6 months when its running ICS and that 8mp camera is run by awesome ICS, and I can disable bloat I dont want.
     
    I really want to make a good choice, so if I’m crazy and should go with the G-Nex, please sound off and let me know!

    • Anonymous

      I doubt google will ever be in charge or updating the Razr to ICS. Google doesn’t need to get anything over to Motorola.. ICS is available for free. Motorola will just sit on it for several months before they can roll in their motoblur with ICS. Google will have no control over that.

      • Jordan

        I think at the end of the day after Google acquires Motorola (regardless of their reasons behind it), they will care about all future devices put out by Motorola simply because their name will now be tied to that product.

    • Anonymous

      I think both phones will be good phones. If you do not really care about custom roms and what not then the razr will be fine for you. It is thinner and has a larger battery and rumors say it will have better battery than the nexus. I am going to wait a few days see how battery holds up then decide. This is the first moto phone in awhile that has interested me and I was all about the nexus for awhile but not so sure anymore.

  • hatethanet

    We ever get clarification whether the Nexus has a video out through the micro USB port or not?

  • LiterofCola

    Ok, all joking aside, I’m really torn between the Razr and the Nexus.  Both look like great phones, but they both have pros an cons;

    Firstly, the Razr:
    Pros…Super slim casing, kevlar backing, slight waterproofing
    Cons..No removeable battery, no immediate ICS, Blur
    Doesn’t matter to me…non-removeable battery, and ICS would eventually follow, locked bootloader (I have no plans on rooting the phone, would most likely run a Launcher)

    Now the Nexus;
    Pros…Super AMOLED HD screen, ICS, removeable battery, no 3rd party UI
    Cons..thicker design casing, plastic design

    I’m torn….

    • Alix8821

      SAME!.. My D.Inc deff needs to be replaced, BUT, i dunno… Nexus itself i hott… But I reallu want that ICS… If only RAZR came wit 4.0…

    • Anonymous

      As long as the battery in the razr is good I think I may go with that. I dont care about rooting and all that(even though the razr has already been rooted and with a potentially permanent root.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • good post!

  • Rogerwhyte

    Loving the look of this Android. Androids really to kick the ass of Iphone’s. Plus, since IPhone’s are on their way out of the market (let’s face it, without Jobs things will go downhill fast), best to focus on Androids now! Chinese calendar http://www.absolutelyfengshui.com/dateselection/chinese-calendars.php

  • Lakerzz

    Looks like Moto is changing “blur” up once again…notice text below the dock icons? Hmmm…I wonder what else has changed. Maybe the ability to totally shut blur off…I THINK NOT!!!!!!

  • Booboolala2000

    Love the ICS wallpaper. Even though it won’t have ICS until March or so. I’ll be more than happy with the nexus. Just wish motorola would release a non blur phone. Blur isn’t horrible, but it gets in the way of updates.

  • Anonymous

    This would be a nice phone if Motorola would quit locking up those bootloaders, at least then I know I could put ICS on it as soon as the Devs start pushing it out…. Galaxy Nexus hurry up and get here!!!

  • Sporttster

    Locked bootloader….enough said…dead on delivery…

    • Anonymous

      I still haven’t had anyone explain to me why this is such an end of the world issue. You can still root, still run custom ROMs, still alter clock speed… Hell, even the Bionic is already running CM7 and other “locked” phones, like the droid x, have been developed on for years…. What am I missing?

      • Anonymous

        Nothing, other than the inexplicable need to have bragging rights on the Internet. “OMG you don’t have vanilla Android? Your phone is obviously inferior to mine.”

        • Anonymous

          Ha so true. I could see before when rooting was almost necessary just to get the phones to run properly. Phones now have more ram, better processors, and android as a whole functions better. I only root if the phone has glaring issues out of the box. Most of these new phones run fine. Some will complain, just as they do about blur when it is nothing like the blur of old.

      • Tom

        That is not exactly true… You are technically running a virtual recovery to access everything. The original bootloader is still very much there.  When you have an unlocked loader you can swap out the bootloader directly and avoid conflict and damage to your phone. http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/08/droid-x-recovery.html Please read for more info. Will it work? Yes. Is it a perfect system? No. Having an unlocked bootloader means that you have complete unrestricted access to your phone.

    • JohnPA2006

      Everytime they say its got a locked this or that, about 2 or 3 weeks later you see a ROM out for it.
      I wouldnt not get a phone because they’re saying its locked.
      The RAZR is going to sell just fine. So is the Samung Nexus as well.

  • Anonymous

    how do you get to the equipment guide on verizon?

  • Amd718

    Its crazy how everyone is forgetting about the rezound/ vigor. Its going to be super amoled hd with a 1.5 ghz dual core processor, 8 mp cam,2 mp front facing. Beats by dre headphones and s/w plus it still has expandable memory and removeable battery. Its on par with the razr and galaxy nexus with the exception of ICS.

    • Sporttster

      I’m not forgetting it at all. Waiting impatiently to test it out!!!

    • Anonymous

      It isn’t super amoled on rezound

    • Its HTC which stands for Horrible Terribad (battery) Consumption.  And uber slow update roll outs.  Beats is a gimmick which should warn you how weak their offering really is.

      • Tom

        I agree with this entirely. I won’t buy it BECAUSE of the Beats labeling. They just want to get people to buy it for that to compete with the iPhone. I’d rather see them say “With [insert good audio driver here]” rather than Beats. We already know that Beats on HPs is a joke because it only ups the bass and treble, and when you turn it off it DOWNGRADES both (in other words instead of going flat it makes the treble and bass lower than it should be). The mere fact that that is true makes me assume that Beats is only a software implementation that can be done much better with PowerAMP.

    • Anonymous

      Allegedly the battery is quite a bit smaller than the RAZR or the Nexus, with the big drain of LTE on top of it. If they don’t implement something like Moto’s power saving app, it’s going to be a tough sell with such a short charge life.

      Not to mention we still haven’t actually seen it officially released yet.

      • Anonymous

        agree think it went through fcc with a 1600 mah battery which wont hold up with an hd screen and the notoriously battery sucking sense.

    • Anonymous

      I think the Revolution 2 might be interesting too. It’s supposed to be thinner than both the G-Nex and Rezound. It will also pack the new LG TrueHD 720p IPS screen which should be better than both the G-Nex and Rezound screens.

  • Trvsdksn

    Not attracted to this phone at all. Same goes for the Nexus. Maybe the Rezound. If I can’t do some type of trade in allowance at Best Buy, I won’t be upping to any of them. $299 is more than I am willing to put toward any device.

  • Nexuslover

    Despite the hump on the Razr is nobody else worried about the supposed thickening of the Nexus Galaxy phone for Verizon 4G LTE? I was set on Nexus and then heard it will be meaty for Verizon – 10 or 11 mm thick…

    • Booboolala2000

      I have a Charge and even if it is that thick, I’m cool with it. Think it will be marginally thinner though.

    • Anonymous

      it’s the one with the jumper cables hooked to it. Not thick at all. thicker than the one they showed but by no means thick. Go find the pic, you’ll see for yourself

  • Battle Geek

    AT $299.99 this will do a lot of damage especially with Christmas just around the corner. If this is launched soon it will eat into that market share the Galaxy S2 had with being Super Amoled.
    Google and Motorola are now officially competing with Microsoft and Nokia who have a similar strategy to keep the smartphone at around $300.

    http://www.gadgetrophy.com/2011/10/ultimate-smartphones-for-christmas-2011.html

  • J Dub

    See that hump? LTE radio in there. This phone is lacking a few features a next-gen phone needs. 

    • Anonymous

      The hump is where the camera is. What features is it lacking?

      • Sporttster

        Unlocked….biggest feature missing…

        • Anonymous

          but an unlocked bootloader doesn’t make something next gen.

    • Hello

      Yeah but that little hump is the size of the entire thickness of the Verizon version of the Galaxy Nexus. According to some rumors “a little thicker” means 12-13 mm thick instead of the 8.9 they are advertising for the rest of the carriers.

  • joejoe509

    Anyone else think that this should have been called the SLVR not the RAZR? The RAZR was a flip phone and the SLVR was a candy bar phone. Makes more sense to me… Knowing Motorola, the SLVR will soon be their new “flagship” phone and it will be released in two months. Ha ha.

    • Anonymous

      I think they decided to not go with slvr since how big of a POS that was and atleast the razr sold well for while.

    • Anonymous

      People remember the RAZR and remember it fondly. Not so much for the SLVR.

  • Guest

    Anyone notice it says 4G MICRO SIM Card

  • Calvin

    An LTE device with a non removable battery? I guess it would be ok if I used my phone like my mother in law, once a week. Useless!!!!

  • viewthis66

    no thanks… i’m still on path to get the G-Nex.

  • Rlowez28

    I don’t know if anyone else realizes this ,but…….did you get a good look at the picture of the back of the phone????? That sure looks like a non-removable battery to me. (there’s no door on the back.) To me, that seems apple-ish and certainly is a deal breaker.

    • Anonymous

      Really? Have you been in a coma since this phone was launched?

      • Anonymous

        Hey, take it easy on Z28. Yea its like that…Chevy Runs Deep

        • Anonymous

          Lol… I am a Ford guy…

  • dshizzel

    I, personally, don’t think that Big Red will be able to come out early next year with ICS.  They have added a lot of “value” to the GB version on the DRZ and it’ll take a lot of effort on their part to bring that functionality intact onto ICS. Unless they have two teams – one maintaining the GB version and another toiling away on the ICS.  

    That being said, I’m going to be up bright and early next Thursday, ordering my DRZ.  The memory card support and HDMI port plus the general sturdiness of the device (despite it’s thin form factor) are the reasons I’m choosing it over the GNex.

    Gawd, I loves me some acronyms!

    • Anonymous

      moto handles the updates and sends them to verizon all verizon does is test it make sure it isn’t super buggy and then allows it to be pushed out.

  • Anonymous

    What people on this and other tech forums dont remember is that a very small percentage of the phone buying population knows and/or cares about what makes the G-NEX so great. 95% of people, especially business users, see the RAZR with encryption, web-docks, MotoCast, long battery life, extended SD memory and a slick, sexy form factor made of high quality materials. They dont care about ICS, NFC (yet) or anything else the G-NEX has over RAZR.

    My prediction, RAZR outsells G-NEX 3 to 1.

    • KevinC

      how do you know what the razr battery life is compared to the galaxy nexus?

      • Anonymous

        Fine, take out battery life, add in remote wipe, built in office app and higher MP camera. I know the higher MP don’t really make it better, but again, 95% of people don’t… Higher = better…

    • Sporttster

      Yep,just like the Bionic was supposed to be the hottest thing since the wheel was invented,huh,LOL! The Nexus is gonna smoke this thing so bad they’ll have to come out with another locked POS to try to compete with it. Better to do it right the first time around and not have to play catch up.

      • Anonymous

        If you ask 50 random people what a boot loader is I bet only 1 would know, if your lucky, let alone care if it is locked. POS? Who are you kidding? G-Nex might have some new features but RAZR is NOT a POS. making such comments just makes you sound like a drone. We shall see Which sells better shortly!

        • Tom

          I’ll tell you this… The RAZR won’t out sell the Nexus because it is a better phone, it will outsell it because it  is Droid labeled, and Verizon will advertise the hell out of it. Chances are if you walk into a Verizon store looking to buy a new top tier smart phone and you have no idea about anything, they will push the RAZR and the Rezound, not the Nexus. It is going to be like every other developer phone, it will sell to the niche crowd, (ie not well) but will remain up to date with everything. You will NEVER see a Nexus commercial, but you will see several RAZR and Rezound commercials.

          I personally like the G-Nex better based on specs and features that I would want. Rezound is wash because of Beats and knowledge that their battery life sucks.

  • big box

    Verizon considers the razr an enterprise phone…of course the bootloader is locked. Bet all phones they say are business phones are locked down initially. So stop acting like Motorola pulled the rug from underneath you. I’m pretty sure Verizon requested a locked bootloader or would Motor lie bout that and then say the international version can be unlocked?!?!

    • Anonymous

      all us moto phones are locked so it isn’t only verizon.

  • Bob

    Does anybody know what the thickness will be for the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon. It is 8.84 mm according to their site for the other carriers, but because of the LTE radio they said it will be “slightly thicker” on Verizon. Is it going to be 10 or 11 mm?

  • Anonymous

    F*ck you disqus.

  • I wish I could have the galaxy nexus with moto build quality. Plastic… meh. 

    • joejoe509

      Drop a plastic phone and a metal phone from shoulder height and tell me which one suffers less dings and scratches.

      • Sporttster

        With the case on it’ll be even….ain’t goin nude so don’t matter….

        • me

          With a case on next to the razor it will look like the fat girl standing at the buffet. I hate cases that’s why I buy moto.

  • Kierra

    I call bs on this article. Tough to adopt? Wasnt droid x adopted by the community? Why is droid-life turning into some Galaxy pushers

    • MOTOX

      its harder to adopt when the nexus is right around the corner as well.. nexus was never on verizon…

      • brandon holley

        it’s all on preference, do you want faster updates to your software or do you want a better build quality of a phone with slower yet still on point updates? Also I suppose I’m the only one who thinks this but the next nexus with supposed “jelly bean” seems to me that motorola gets that nexus solely for the fact that google bought them.

  • Psxfrolfer

    I hate to ask a question based off an assumed update but, should the Razr receive 4.0 would it’s camera then exceed the Nexus? I am having such trouble deciding which route to go.

    • MOTOX

      good question… no idea… i wouldn’t think that maybe yes… because actually… that should be software… though remember mexapixles don’t always matter so the nexus 5mp could be better… and might be… moto doesn’t use the best camera’s… but yeah if they did not use their moto blur camera ui and the ics one then yes theoretically maybe…

    • joejoe509

      Software helps especially when Moto’s camera software seems to be the issue, but it really ultimately comes down to the quality of the sensors. Samsung’s camera sensors tend to be better than Moto’s.

    • Anonymous

      depends on what the sensors are like in the moto. Moto never really had good cameras so I doubt ics will do much for it.

  • me

    blur does slow the phone down a little bit but to me its sharp. what really slows the phones down is all verizon’s bloatware running in the back ground that really slows phones down . if you root your phone and remove bloat ware you will see a huge performance and battery life improvement .     

    • Anonymous

      and in ics you can disable the bloat so you wont have to root to stop it from running

      • me

        That will be nice that’s the main reason I root.

  • razrftw

    yes, even after the nexus comes out A better phone will arrive. i live in the here and now and the razr works for me!

  • me

    I have the the bionic and i don’t feel cheated,a new phone will be out thats better no matter what you buy.ehat do i care if its 2months or two days yhis is twice thr phone i had snd more then i need plus I’m not driving my self crazy waiting for new phone.bionic will have ics faster than you think trust me.plus if your that worried about it save $25 a week and every 6months you can have new phone off contract problem solved

  • me

    Why do people keep say you cant overclock with lock bootloader I’m calling b.s my droid two was overclocked indervolted

    • nxusnow

      the razr has been rooted, begin the overclock

  • Clownvommit

    Vzw tech here. Got to play with it last week. This phone is crazy nice, and the gorilla glass is rediculous. Thinnest phone ive ever seen. Your gonna love it.

    • Anonymous

      any idea of full retail price for this or nexus?

  • jm

    Everyone trolls about specs when the real issue with Motorola is trust.  They release the Bionic, their so called flag ship device only to release the Razr right after?  If I bought the Bionic I’d feel cheated.  

    And what about their promise to unlock phones towards the new year?  If they keep true to their promise that means another phone will be released, unlocked, shortly after the Razr leaving those who bought that phone feeling cheated.  But I think we all know they won’t keep their word and continue to release encrypted phones.

    • hatethanet

      Good points. Promises of LTE on their ZOOMs and timely GB updates on many of their phones have be very slow to happen as well. 

      • brandon holley

        you have to remember that nine times out of ten when motorola is the test subject you rarely get what you want out of it……………hands down the xoom was a fail just like the HTC thunderbolt was a fail. the company to experiment first normally does fail. their subsequent dealings havent been so much of a fail. I forgot where i read it but the bionic should get their update on december 5th but dont quote me on that.

        • me

          So in your thinking nexus will be a fail.when I received gb on my do it was flawless

  • Anonymous

    blah.. and when’s the Motorola Razr 2 coming out?  December right in time for the holidays?

  • WalkingDead

    can I kind of hijack this thread and ask a question? if the decision was a “carrier”(overtone of sarcasm) decision to lock the bootloader then why is that HTC unlocks all of their devices after you agree that it voids your warranty and Verizon says nothing. I’m just curious number one if it’s true that HTC does this because I read somewhere that HTC has been unlocking their devices and number two why verizon lets HTC do it and not moto and if it’s true then I think moto is blowing smoke. Also BTW I love the razr, I think it’s a sweet phone and for me I absolutely love moto’s build quality and IMO is one of the best but blur just kills me, even more than the BL because if they gave me a stock moto phone with a locked BL I’d be just fine for the most part if they fixed their camera’s which can be dealt with using a third-party app but with blur they give me no option to delete it and that drives me crazy. I think Android has been and is going to be at that point where it stands on its own just fine without all these skins and apps from manufacturers and carriers over top of the OS, I mean Apple would never alow a carrier to dump a bunch crap onto iOS which is something I wish Goggle would do even though it’s open source.

    • me

      htc havent been unlock on verizon yet have they?

      • Anonymous

        I guess we will see when the vigor(rezound) comes out if they have an unlocking solution from htc or if everyone will have to rely on the dev community.

  • Bear0013

    Just a question? ????……has any of the nexus phones been on top when it came to hardware …….or is itlol only the pure vanila experience that has really been pushing this nexus name

    • brandon holley

      pure experience. nexus = pure. never once did it equal the best. You get your updates fast so you can stay ahead of the curve but thats it. samsung build quality is just not the best. I have a continuum and its on its last legs within not even 4 months and that was 3 months ago. I’m seriously waiting for this phone no doubt I’m getting it.

    • Anonymous

      pretty much just pure android and updates first. Aimed more towards developers rather than cutting edge specs.

  • Anonymous

    This phone will have Ice by January, non issue, get over it already. Solid build, hdmi, microsd, what is not to like. Locked bootloader? Not forever. Add metal build and gorilla glass and we have a winner.

  • MOTOX

    dam, just make a better camera and id buy it moto… literally it takes 10s to take a pic… unacceptable so ill go with the vigor..

    • nxusnow

      link to razr pics

      • MOTOX

        dude…if u’ve used a motorola droid at all… x, x2…anything, their camera’s suck… and they are slow as hell.. im not a pro photographer or much of one but when i take a pic i don’t want a 5 or 10s pic.. 

        • me

          Then buy a camera.That’s the last on the list when I’m checking out a smart PHONE

    • brandon holley

      uhm well if you notice that ICS makes it so there is no shutter lag. not the nexus. so when razr gets nexus expect that no shutter lag or shove the phone up moto’s ass. either way this seems like a winner to me.

  • Anonymous

    tiny.cc/qcfnd

  • Being a Motorola i’m sure this phone will have a solid build but i think i prefer the Nexus and ICS over this.

  • Anonymous
  • webby

    Non-removable battery –> gonna get Motorola sued by crApple for copying their design.  

  • Anonymous

    what pushes me away from this phone is the lack of ICS

  • Wongjo

    One word, ugly !

  • BoozeHammer

    ウェブ全体から検索?

  • nxusnow
    • Jamesevans

      thx

    • Anonymous

      Confirmed, per-ordering on the 27th!

  • The hardware on this impresses me more than the Galaxy Nexus’s. 

    • Anonymous

      The nexus line never really was top of the line spec wise it was more aimed at developers. This does look like a nice phone though.

    • Colin Zack

      What about the hardware isn’t as nice on the Nexus? I assume you mean internals and not build quality

      • Jarred Sutherland

        The GPU from 2007. 

  • Doug

    Galaxy Nexus fanboys – the new iFans. Like literally every post I see on an Android blog that isn’t about the Galaxy Nexus will be spammed by them and how every other phone is shit.

    • Mannysaurus

      It’s funny how just because you have an opinion, it makes you a fanboy. I personally do not want Blur and a locked bootloader on my phone, but that’s just my OPINION. Some people prefer Blur to the stock Android look and that’s fine. No harm done, no offense taken by me.
      I would like a newer operating system that has hardware acceleration for the UI/Browser along with other major upgrades and will receive fast updates and massive dev support. Does that make me a fanboy, Doug?

      • Doug

        No, I’m referring to the fact that they will spam on every post not relating to the Nexus with BS like “Who cares, give me the Galaxy Nexus”, “The Galaxy Nexus is the greatest phone ever”, etc etc. While I generally don’t care for people’s opinions or trolls, it’s gotten to the point where I’ve gotten sick and tired of hearing about the darn thing. People will obviously have their preferences, but the hype on this thing is even worse than the Bionic, and people thought that phone was overhyped.

        • LiterofCola

          Estas enojado hermano?

        • Anonymous

          I am getting to the point where I completely agree with you. Kinda. Tired of hearing about it.

      • Sp4rxx

        It’s not the opinion of the user that gets the term “fanboy” pegged to it – it’s the utter lack of consideration for the opposition is what promotes the “fanboy” tag. 

        EVERYONE is entitled to his or her own opinion – but when a person chooses a side and all but calls the opposition an idiot for not choosing what he or she chose, that’s where “fanboy” comes in to play.

    • Jboogie1289

      que mal hermano?

  • Well i’m definitely getting this phone when the pre-orders start………..or die trying(50cent’s voice)

  • I have the same background on my Droid 3 🙂

  • joel rizo

    Look at that BLUR…. OHHH Look at that bootloader locked tighter than a nun’s legs…..

  • Anonymous

    if this is the same one thats also being released overseas, then ill bet you that devs will figure out how to unlock it eventually. And if it is like the rest of moto’s phones, devs will get cyanogenmod on it like with the droid x, droid 2, droid 2 global, droid 3 and droid bionic.

    • Anonymous

      Idk I mean look to this day the none of the bootloaders on verizon moto devices have been unlocked. There are work arounds but it is not the same.

  • G123

    Its a good phone, but I’d rather get the galaxy nexus.

  • Vire

    I have reasons to suspect that the “carrier” decision regarding the bootloader goes something along the lines of, Moto: “We have the unlockable bootloader technology in the phone. Which would you like us to have on your carrier?”

    VZW: “Whatever makes you feel more comfortable. We’d prefer the locked phone since it would be easier for us to manage, but either one is fine.”

    Moto: “HOKAYZ!!!111”

  • Chaz2400

    I know of a lot of phones with “locked boot loaders”, my friends droid x for instance, that are able to run custom roms… Can someone explain why this phone won’t be able to, eventually?

    • Anonymous

      You won’t be able to run custom kernals so you will always be stuck with the stock kernel. Other than that nothing major you can still root and that.

      • Chaz2400

        Thanks, does the kernel just give you over clocking ability? Is this the only thing you would miss be having a locked boot loader?

        • Anonymous

          You can also underclock. Also sometimes you will have to wait for the newest updates since they have to be from moto since those built off of others do not always work( although there are ways around this somewhat) If you check out phandroid or androidcentral it talks about it in those forums

  • Anonymous

    Blah blah blah bootloader, blah blah blah ice cream sandwich, blah blah blah non-removable battery, blah blah blah im going to go find a galaxy nexus post so i can whack off to it till it hits the shelves.

    There I saved you all the effort, please shut up now thanks.

    • Cmorty72

      Also, don’t forget the G-Nex’s lack of external memory (unlike the Droid Razr)! This is a major killer of the G-Nex for me.

      • Killershade

        wait…wait what?!

      • Bob

        Or the fact that G. nexus will be “slightly thicker” on Verizon. What does this mean? 9mm? 10mm? 11mm? They still have not released the specs for this “thicker” version. 

      • Anonymous

        That’s hilarious! How much more than 32 gig do you use now?

      • Anonymous

        Major killer? Most Android apps don’t even support external memory. It won’t matter much when the Razr is dead after 2 hours of LTE and you can’t swap the battery. Or when its a brick after a year when the battery is depleted. What a lame phone. May as well stick with my DX2 until a REAL upgrade comes out.

        • the battery is 1800 mah and it also has a built in app with better battery management

    • Alexander Garcia

      LOL Wow! Best f..kin’ comment I’ve read in a long while! Thank you  🙂

    • Anonymous

      Dude, be Careful you might go Blind, then you’ll have to get an App for that 😛

  • Vik

    I just noticed that it said it require a micro SIM card. Probably bc of the size. 

  • guest

    please correct me if I’m wrong here, that’s why I’m asking, but isn’t using a home replacement like Launcher Pro or Go Launcher a way to “get around” Blur?

    • Anonymous

      It covers blur up but the little blur bits are still running in the background causing bugs, eating the battery, and slowing the phone down.

      Manufacturer UIs are more than just launchers, they are complete system modifications, that’s why it takes so long to get updates and bug fixes.

      • guest

        Thanks, I’m trying to decide which way to go here. Nexus or Razr. I like the idea of the Nexus being stock Android but I’m used to having an sd card, I currently have the OG Droid. I also like the fact that the Razr has an sd card and Gorilla Glass. My OG is rooted and I enjoy trying different roms, although I always go back to ChevyNo1 Simply Stunning. It has always been the best one for my phone. I just don’t know how I would do without having any external storage, no more apps 2 sd. I would fill up my phones memory fast and always be trying to decide what to delete. I have that problem now with the OG.

        • Anonymous

          I know how you feel. Looks like I’m sticking with my DX for a while. The silver lining on the Razr situation is more than likely the second init mod will work on it. You’ll be able to load a custom ROM if that happens.

          • guest

            The more I look, the more I like the RAZR. I think it”s gonna be my next phone. I can wait for ICS. I just hope it doesn’t take as long as the usual Moto updates.. :/  And I’m sure with the outstanding developer community that we have here, the RAZR will see root one way or another.

      • Anonymous

        You can get rid of most of Moto’s “blur” once you root.  There are some things baked in that you can’t remove or remove easily but it’s mostly behind the scenes stuff and you can re-theme practically everything to your liking with no issue.

        • exrootuser

          i dont really want to do extra stuff to my phone, such as rooting it, just to make it usable. i have a charge and the only reason i rooted it was because, in its stock form, it was buggy and nearly unuseable. I love the customization options that are available to android users, but it gets to be a pain in the rear to constantly keep up with all of the roms and custom builds. i want a phone that is polished from the start and that receives updates in a timely manner that i dont have to “flash.” To each his own i guess, but for me it’s hello ICS and hello galaxy nexus.

          • Anonymous

            Honestly, Moto’s software is not bad at all nor slow. I don’t understand what everyone’s bitching about unless they’re just using it as an excuse to spew their vitriol at Moto for locking the bootloader, which is what I think the reality is. You don’t have to do any extra stuff to make it usable, that’s nonsense, you only have to do extra stuff if you want more stock android.

          • What bugs?

          • Wkpalm06

            Well…If I must..It was pretty laggy, and with the file system that Samsung used on the Charge, it just kept getting worse and worse (introduce voodoo lagfix which requires root).  Secondly, it’s like rolling the dice when you want a GPS signal.   Thirdly, and I’m relatively certain that this is Verizon not Samsung,  but the radio will not hold a 4g data signal, so I rooted so that I could constantly flash the most updated radios…do I need to go on (bloatware, browser issues, etc…)?  

  • Anonymous

    all moto phones have locked bootloaders. motorola is the only one who is still doing it.

    • Anonymous

      did you not notice that this phone is coming out over seas without a locked bootloader? so much for it being a lie that vzw is causing it

      • Anonymous

        actually it is still locked it just can be unlockable. They never said the version coming out overseas would be unlocked, rather that it can be.

        • Anonymous

          you’re right…its unlockable, and relockable, which is still different than the one over here…again, as i said, so much for the idea that moto is lying in their blame on verizon

    • Tim242

      HTC phones are all now releasing with locked bootloaders.

      • Anonymous

        no they are not. htc has a system where you can unlock a bootloader on some phones. motorola is the ONLY one.

        • Tim242

          A system for the ones they choose. The Thunderbolt has a locked bootloader.

          • babadush

            Are you sure about that? I can flash kernels, splash screens and roms on mine. I think you are confusing locked bootloader with encrypted bootloader

          • Tim242

            It was locked. It took them 6 months to crack it.

        • Anonymous

          HTC has been locking their phones as well, they haven’t been encrypting like Moto but they’re still heavily locked down so it takes devs longer to crack.

  • Anonymous

    what is the point of a picture like this leaking now that the phone has already been announced? we already know what it looks like.

  • Anonymous

    I wish they would do away with the big camera hump. Kellex what you thinking this or the nexus?

    • Anonymous

      hes probably going to buy both for comparison

  • Spyderman

    Mr. Barranger, these comments have become so negative I fear this community will self destruct. Please use your influence before it is too late.

  • Jason Purp

    “…could care less”

    Couldn’t*

    • Anonymous

      Nobody ever says it right.. Bugs the hell out of me.

      • Shadow

        When I use could care less I honestly mean just that. I really could care less but is it really worth the effort *Shrug*? But that’s just me

  • Austin

    The Razr doesn’t have nfc does it?

    • Madcow06

      no it does not

    • Tyrian

      nope

  • Maansova

    Why would you get this when u can get the galaxy nexus?…… I just can wait for the nexus and some ics 🙂

    • nxusnow

      cause its boring looking

    • Anonymous

      Why would you post in this article when you could post in a Galaxy Nexus thread?

  • Anonymous

    It looks like a sharp phone.  I am certain whoever gets one will love it!  The person who buys this phone isn’t looking for a developer friendly phone or one that they can load lots of custom roms and such. They just want a cool phone and this will fit the bill.

    • Anonymous

      Not to mention with how thin it is it could get more customers who don’t want the thick lte phones but want lte.

  • Justin Kos

    motorola accomplishes this by using last years hardware

    • Madcow06

      Show me a phone from 2010 with the same specs then.

  • Anonymous

    Jebesus, just when you think things have turned the corner for the best. Motorola springs this locked bootloader crap on us once again. The bloatware, Blur (or whatever they call this junk) and lack of ICS is enough to make me NOT want this phone. Don’t care if it’s as thin as paper.

    Why is it that Motorola lies to us blaming the carrier? 

    • Well that’s the beauty of android you can now get an unlocked device called the nexus

    • hkklife

      Reasons not to buy the RAZR:

      Locked bootloader + Blur
      -Updates have to come from Moto, not Google
      -No ICS at launch
      -No removable battery

      Reasons not to buy the G-Nex:
      -No removable storage
      -Potentially horrible battery life
      -No HDMI out

      I’ll either look out for a nice cheap used Bionic in a month or two OR just ride it out until 2012 and see if something comes along with ICS that’s reasonably thin, has removable batteries and storage, and has a 4.5″+ 720p screen. 

    • Anonymous

      What makes you think Motorola is lying to you considering the international Razr is supposed to be unlocked?  Motorola has a very good relationship with Verizon and they probably don’t want to hurt that by disregarding Verizon’s request to lock the phone down.

      • Jason

        maybe they will just put a really slack encryption on it to keep verizon happy and also keep us happy that it was easy to get around. I’ve heard of that before.

        • Anonymous

          One can hope.

  • The thinnest smartphone with lte and a good screen I dno seems good to me

    • Anonymous

      Only for the first two months you have it, then you’ll begin to hate it.

  • Alex Schechter

    Doesn’t anyone understand Verizon will never sell a device with an unlocked bootloader… 

    • Daniel

      Except for the xoom and galaxy nexus

      • EdsonDJ

        …and the Fascinate and Droid Charge. I don’t think any of the Samsung phones are locked.

        • Anonymous

          Nope but i own the droid charge and its utter shit. I would rather have a locked motorola phone like my old droid x than this thing

    • Mike Majewski

      Don’t you understand, there’s plenty of devices on Verizon with an unlocked bootloader?

    • You must be slow, I can name a bunch right now. It’s just the MOTOROLA ones that come locked for the most part.  OG DROID, XOOM, Charge, Fascinate, Nexus ………… That’s 5 off the top of my head that came with unlocked bootloaders. Not to mention all the others that got hacked and now are unlocked…. yeah you got pwned

    • Dan

      OG Droid, Droid Incredible, and Fascinate to name a few 🙂

    • John Pisano

      really now? what does the Xoom have? an unlockable and relockable bootloader for easy dev support? How about the unlocked bootloader on pretty much every Samsung device… The Charge was ridiculously easy to root and rom same with the fascinate. Or how about the OG Droid? Unlocked bootloader last I checked.

      Unlocked probably doesn’t mean what you think it does. by Motorola’s standards and everyone elses they mean Encrypted bootloader. There are a ton of phones without an encrypted bootloader. you will never find a phone out of the box that will flash any zip with any signature. That’s a developer bootloader and will never come on any consumer devices, but thats why we have things like clockwork.

  • Sappyswami

    What will happen when it gets ICS regarding the capacitive touch buttons? Will they be used and the ICS UI not include the software versions?

    • Anonymous

      ICS is supposed to adapt depending on whether the device has buttons or not. The leaked video of a Nexus S running ICS had no software buttons.

    • It will just use the regular hardware buttons

  • Anonymous

    *Generic comment about how awesome the Nexus will be*

    • *Generic comment about how I agree with you 100% follow by *Generic locked bootloader complaint and *Generic disgust about Blur will turn Razr into a POS, with a total disregard of the Phone’s upside of having and expansion slot, HDMI out and gorilla glass.

  • KevinC

    enjoyed your locked down phone crammed with bloatware, folks.

    • Mikeyg123

      Just root it and get a debloated rom? Pretty simple to do. Not really a big deal.

      • Thats what I did with my Droid 3, I also installed the Atrix Camera apk to make its camera function. Love my droid 3 🙂

      • KevinC

        no thanks, i don’t want to deal with the bugs.

        • David Hayden

          It’s okay, not everyone is competent enough to work with the rooted functions of their phone.

          • Blootzm3

            if a toilet just works who needs a plumber, oh kind of like an iPhone,it just works. Motorola reminds me of a fancy looking toilet that breaks every week. what’s the point of the fancy looks if it requires a on site plumber. the one that works is way more intelligent.

      • Anonymous

        It still has blur running in the background and you know it. Aosp is not possible. And yet another point is the fact that you’re at Motorola’s mercy in order to get updates. And sure you can paint cyanogen over top of all that blur, but then some things such as the camera don’t work properly. I know that from Droid x. And the fact that you’re willing to support a company that locks its bootloader and then LIES about why they did it shows that you don’t truly encompass the spirit of android. It’ll be march before that slug receives ics. So go ahead and buy it and keep the excuses coming.

        • Cry moar.

        • Blootzm3

          your right all these other idiots don’t see how supporting lies lead to more because they know idiots will still buy them and get more disappointment. after 4 bug filled Motorola’s I no longer choose to support cheap built Motorola’s, the build quality this idiot is talking about is nonexistent. I went back to the smooth running does what you want with no issues iPhone because of Motorola. but am looking at this vanilla Droid from Samsung because of Samsung catering to what customers want… not lies

  • i was waiting for the price of the bionic to go down, but i think this may be my next phone now

    • Anonymous

      Just out of curiosity, why would you take this over the galaxy nexus if they’re launching the same day for the same price?

      • Anonymous

        some like moto’s build quality and don’t want a huge screen?

        • Anonymous

          I’ll give you the build quality and personally I’m hesitant to give up my physical buttons. But the screen size isn’t going to make the device any bigger than the razr because of the lack of physical buttons

      • Vaporware

        Because Samsungs radios, gps and build quality all suck.

        • Anonymous

          +5000. My droid charge has many dents on it from bumps with tables and the whole back creaks and its terrible. never buy a samsung…even if its unlocked. i would rather have a locked up moto thats amazing in every other aspect like my droid x than a samsung

          • Vaporware

            I am almost embarrased to admit it but it took me 4 tries (four different smartphones) before I finally gave up on Samsung. Every single one had terrible reception, call quality, data rates, and gps. Never again will they recieve my money. Moto has been the best radio and build wise but I really don’t want to give them my money as long as they continue to lock and encrypt booloaders. So I guess that leaves HTC and the Rezound as my choice by default. Then again if the devs work their magic on the Razr as they have on the Droid X and others I may pick one up later on. One thing that I am wondering about is that Moto’s statement said the the Razr is not “officially unlockable”. I hope it means that it is unofficially unlockable. Guess time will tell.

          • Anonymous

            I haven’t read many negative reviews on the latest Samsung galaxy s2 line, would you say they’ve made some improvements?

  • hatethanet

    So the dates on the newest MAP are pre-sale dates and not release dates, then?

    On another note, I am impressed at how they could make an LTE phone so thin compared to the others. I wonder how the battery life will fare compared to the others as well.

    • Anonymous

      Presale date for the RAZR for sure. Date for the G-Nex could be pre-sale or could be the sale date. We don’t know for sure.

      • Pfelias123

        Can someone please explain what locked bootloader means please?  Thanks

    • Anonymous

      map date is in store launch.

  • Anyone else notice the ICS wallpaper on the RAZR? Haha it wishes..

    • Superior1

      now I do….lol

    • I hope it doesn’t have that wallpaper by default, cause that’s low Motorola!

    • Tim242

      At least it is Super Amoled plus…unlike the minus in the Nexus.

      • angermeans

        I would much rather have a 1280×720 with Pentile (which is what I expect you meant by “the minus in the Nexus”) than a qHD with super AMOLED plus and I am willing to bet you will too. I got the chance to play with the Droid Razr this week and it is better than the other offerings from Moto, but I am willing to bet my bank account it wont be half as nice as a true HD screen. The more pixels offered the less that a Pentile screen is really going to matter. I promise there will be phones in the future that are better than the Gal Nexus, but the Droid Razr is far from it. 

        • Tim242

          You are dismissing the non Super Amoled Plus pentile, but dissing the Super Amoled Plus screen on the Razr. It will look as good, if not better due to being Super Amoled Plus.

          • LiterofCola

            Naaah

          • Guest

            nope!

        • Anonymous

          No, pentile has less subpixels arranged in a non-uniform pattern, even a lower resolution looks better than a higher resolution pentile.  Besides, HD in a sub 5″ screen is unnecessary, anyone who’s not biased won’t notice a difference.

          • yup

            So first you say penile is no good cause the subpixels aren’t as fluid and then you say HD is not significant on a 5 inch screen; if HD is not noticible then you can’t complain about subpixels on a 5 inch screen. Its one way or the other….unless of course your biased

          • Anonymous

            No, I said a lower resolution looks better than a higher resolution that’s pentile.  I then also said that 1280×720 is unnecessary and unnoticeable over qHD on screens smaller than 5″.

          • Anonymous

            He he… you said penile.

        • Tim242

          You are dismissing the non Super Amoled Plus pentile, but dissing the Super Amoled Plus screen on the Razr. It will look as good, if not better due to being Super Amoled Plus.

          • Guest

            nope!

        • Tim242

          You are dismissing the non Super Amoled Plus pentile, but dissing the Super Amoled Plus screen on the Razr. It will look as good, if not better due to being Super Amoled Plus.

          • Anonymous

            no it won’t.  the nexus has a higher screen resolution…noob.

          • ok im tired of your fanboyism…they are both great phones…both SAHD and SAPLUS are amazing technologies…now quit your bitching

          • Guest

            nope!

          • Guest

            afraid not!

        • Jordan

          True HD would be 1080p.

      • Super AMOLED Advanced, not plus. It’s still PenTile. – Chris

        • Tim242

          LoL Super Amoled Advanced is the same as Plus.

          • Joejoe509

            The razr uses the same pentile matrix the nexus uses. Get over it.

          • Tim242

            No, it does not. Get educated.

          • phsycho

            Im sure the razor will be a great phone, but u need to get educated. Its not super amoled plus, it has a qhd super amoled. Im all for sticking up for the phone u want and like but if your gonna argue look at the facts. 
            http://developer.motorola.com/products/droid-razr-xt912/

          • phsycho

            Im sure the razor will be a great phone, but u need to get educated. Its not super amoled plus, it has a qhd super amoled. Im all for sticking up for the phone u want and like but if your gonna argue look at the facts. 
            http://developer.motorola.com/products/droid-razr-xt912/

          • Anonymous

            Hmm.

          • Guest

            you a dick bro?

          • Tim242

            You like copying people, bro?

          • Guest

            you a dick bro?

          • Tim242

            Are you bored bro?

          • It is not the same. 

            All the ‘advanced’ is, is the qHD resolution. It’s still PenTile RG-BG.

          • Guest

            nope!

          • Guest

            not!!!

          • Tim242

            Get educated.

      • Anonymous

        Where did you hear that this phone has a Super Amoled plus display?  All i can find is that it has a super amoled display.

        • Tim242

          The official specs say Super Amoled Advanced…aka Super Amoled Plus.

          • Joejoe509

            Super amoled plus and super amoled advanced are two different things. They use two different technologies. The nexus and razr utilize similar technology but the nexus is HD.

          • Tim242

            Super Amoled Advanced is just another name for Super Amoled Plus. The Razr can show content in HD, without the dreaded Pentile. Say what you want to make yourself feel better. There is no excuse for Samsung to leave Samoled + out of the Nexus. Enjoy your cheap plastic.

          • When did plastic became such a “cheap” material? If i know anything its that the current plastics they use in cellphones is high-quality, sophisticated engineered technology. Its a novelty feature…Go look up damage tests…Samsung holds up well…just because its made out of metal doesnt mean its perfect…in fact law of gravity vs mass might actually make metal phones kaput

          • Tim242

            HTC plastic phones feel nice. Samsung plastic phones feel like cheap toys. The Razr is made out of Kevlar, Stainless Steel, Aluminum, and Gorilla Glass. That is much nicer than cheap Samsung plastic.

          • Guest

            you a dick bro?

          • Anonymous

            let me rephrase guest’s comment…”you right bro?”

          • Guest

            you a dick bro?

          • Guest

            not!!!

      • Guest

        sorry! wrong!!!

      • Anonymous

        If you want a great hi rez screen, then just get an iphone.

        • Tim242

          I would never make that sacrafice. High-Res is no good on a tiny screen. Besides, I like being able to do simple things, like download files in my browser.

  • Why waist the money to get this phone? It is so over hyped and not worth my $1! I should also say, I have a Bionic so that is why I would get this phone.

    I would wait for the Nexus!

    Or http://twitter.com/#!/MotoBootLoader to get the Bootloader unlocked on the Bionic lol!

    • Anonymous

      Overhyped? Besides the G-Nex it will be the 2nd best phone on Verizon (3rd once the Vigor releases)

      • Totally agree! 

      • It will stay second even with the rezound

    • Anonymous

      It’s not an overhyped phone. This phone would top the charts if the G-Nex wasn’t coming out. Moto has actually done some good things here.

      • +1 kellex

        • -1 Kellex sorry bro, but Motorola needs to deliver on there promises and start listening to what the people want. I know they see it!

          • DJstinkDIK

            You can bitch and moan about the bootloader for the rest of your life, but the fact is that this phone will most likely outsell the nexus. The average person doesn’t know what a bootloader is and they will be like “OKFG a razr! My dad had one and he’s f*cking awesome bro!”. To be truthfull it will probably be an outstanding phone. I’m sorry about your bionic I think we got shafted. 🙂

          • Anonymous

            Stop whining about the bootloader.  Don’t like it don’t buy it, simple.  Whining and crying isn’t going to get you anywhere except annoy some of us.

      • Justin Kos

        they have, actually the rugged material they are crafting phones from is a step in the right direction

        • It is always one step forward and two steps back. Better material a plus, non removable or battery, Fail! Locked bootloader and Blur = Fail two!

      • It might be the best Motorola device if it had an unlocked bootloader. Since it wont be unlocked, it will just be another Motorola phone that has a little better specs than the one they had just released (bionic). 

        I am sure I am writing with a bad taste in my mouth, since we wait several months for the Bionic and then they release another phone weeks later. AND, the fact that the bootloader situation is just getting old and frustrating! Yes we can go around it and manipulate it, but when you you can release a Nexus that has 4.0 fully unlocked, what do you think DEVS are going to want to support? However with that being said, some of us, including myself, enjoys the challenge and keep working on phones like the Bionic, with its locked bootloader.

        PS: Kellex we could definitely use another another voice in the fight with “Operation Motorola BootLoader Unlock” #OMFB @MotoBootLoader

      • webby

        Sorry kellex, but 
        non-removable battery 
        + Moto-blah-blah 
        + how long you gonna wait for ICS nobody knows 
        = deal killers for me.

    • Anonymous

      It’s a nice looking phone with good specs and ICS in early 2012. The majority of smartphone users don’t care whether a phone has a locked bootloader or not.

      • If you are counting the majority as every simple minded non hacker/dev then you are correct. But to most people who like to customize there phones, a bootloader that unlock it not favored!

        • Nick

          So his statement is exactly correct. People on these sites can bitch about the bootloaders as long as they want, but this phone is still going to sell a shitton of units. I can guarantee verizon will have a solid ad campaign behind this phone, and THE MAJORITY OF SMARTPHONE USERS DON’T CARE ABOUT THE BOOTLOADER. Motorola exists to make money, not please you, sorry.

          RAZR Pros:
          -Thin
          -Moto’s awesome LTE radio
          -Metal + kevlar + gorilla glass
          -big battery
          -excellent quality screen
          -motorola is the best manufacturer for updating their phones

          Cons:
          -Locked Bootloader
          -Non-removable battery
          -Blur
          -Not ICS.

          G-Nex Pros:
          -4.0 stock
          -Google updating love
          -HD screen
          -Unlocked bootloader
          -removable battery

          Cons:
          -Shit Sammy radios
          -Bad battery life from LTE chip
          -plastic
          -no gorilla glass
          -thick
          -pentile

          Seriously, don’t call people idiots because they want to buy one device or another. Thats what makes someone a fanboy. Also, the avg. 24inch computer screen is 1920×1080. Thats only ~90 ppi. a 17 inch screen at 1920×1080 is only ~130 ppiI’m seriously confused that people are bitching about  screen res on a screen this small.

          • Mannysaurus

            I’m sorry, but what? “Moto’s awesome LTE radio”, “Bad battery life from LTE chip” ? What is this, I don’t even… “big battery”, oh yeah, 30 extra mAh is REALLY big! Wow I’m expecting days of power from that! I also hate how pentile automatically means I get a bad screen on the Nexus! Darn! I thought the 720p screen was going to do something.

            Please, never try to replicate a post like yours again. It’s horrible and extremely biased towards the RAZR. The comment about the battery actually made me laugh (on the inside). Not even worth debunking some other obvious errors that you made.

          • Anonymous

            You’re a moron.

          • Anonymous

            Put the mirror down, McClane.

          • Anonymous

            That’s the best you can do kid?  Don’t waste my time.