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Samsung and Apple Combine for 103% of Mobile Industry Profits


The only Android OEM worth talking about lately seems to be Samsung with the dominance of their Galaxy line. That dominance is reflected in profit numbers as well according to a recent industry report. Research from Canaccord Genuity, says that Samsung and Apple together accounted for an “astounding” 103% of the mobile profits in 2012.

Canaccord is calculating this number by taking each OEM and their operating margins, then factoring in the losses of the other vendors, so you can see how well Samsung and Apple did. The only other Android manufacturer to post any significant number was HTC.

Do you see these numbers changing this year? Is the HTC M7 or Motorola’s X Phone going to challenge Samsung? At this point, it’s going to be hard for any OEM to compete.

Via: BGR

  • schoat333

    You can’t calculate a companies losses into another companies profit. That losses is not always due to a lack of sales. It could be due to higher operating costs, or even lawsuits.

  • callumshell1

    Oh please, Samsung are not “the only Android OEM worth talking about”. Get your head out of Samsung’s ass.

    • DroidDoesnt_2

      With Apple raking in nearly 3/4’s of the profits, none of those iPhony peddlers are worth talking about….

  • Geo

    we really need other OEM’s to step up

  • Jon

    Oh please don’t start quoting Boy Genius Report…they suck.

  • Alexander Garcia

    I can see the X-Phone as a potential Galaxy and iPhone killer, but BUT… it will depend solely on marketing. The two Beast Kings that rule the mobile industry right now are Apple and Samsung and the important thing that those two have in common is the ability and resources to market the $#it out of their products. It’s all about marketing power.

  • Matthew Morrison

    X phone isn’t made to compete with Apple. its meant to compete with Samsung ironically enough

  • Ibrick

    Do you see these numbers changing this year?
    God I hope so.. A world of Samsung and Apple as my only smartphone choices is a world I don’t want to live in.

  • So you people who think they own a nexus 4, etc are delusional?

  • Dave

    The X phone will draw some development and power user sales, but will only be a blip on the radar compared to the s4. Samsung knows how to sell stuff…..

    • Philip A. Kaiser

      Unless they make a uniform device across multiple carriers and types. Not saying it was a flagship by any means but, had the RAZR Max HD been offered on all the carriers like the siii, we would have a different environment to compete in.

      • michael arazan

        And top of the line specs including an upgraded display, none of that crappy qhd or what ever, pure android is what I want.

  • The first 4 words of this article almost gave me a heart attack.

    • You don’t think they’ll have pretty little babies?

  • meetloaf13

    You people who claim “bad math” should never go into business for yourself 😉

    • KleenDroid

      I was in a business once and lost 103% of the profits. That was easy to figure out.

      I was given a business card once that said: “specializing in every business including Monkey Business” I never could figure that one out.

      • meetloaf13

        Haha, that’s a good business card.

        I pity anyone who loses 103% of the business’ profits…unless said business never turned a profit and was always in the red 😉 > That would be quite the deal!

  • John

    And 70% of those profits went to apple. How is Android winning again? Seems to be Samsung vs apple And Samsung is getting their ass handed to them.

    • Can’t tell if trolling or just completely oblivious to what is happening around them…

      • JetBlue

        Most likely an Apple troll we just have to ignore them and hope they go away.

      • Alexander Garcia

        They see him trollin’! We rollin’!…

      • John

        Nobody is making serious money off Android but Samsung. Apple makes nearly 75% of ALL smartphone profits. Don’t let your personal stake in Android cloud your judgement. You are better than that.

        • DroidDoesnt_2

          They’re avoiding your very valid point because they have no rebuttal. This is why all those pretty market share numbers don’t mean $hit….

          • Roberto

            You want a rebuttal? I don’t care who makes the most profit. I have owned HTC, Nokia, and LG phones. I don’t care who makes the most profit or who has the most market share. The reason? Because I don’t tie my self worth to a company. Apple makes so much money because they overcharge you, with up to 60% profit margins on their devices. Why the heck would over-paying for your phone and tablet to help boost Apple’s profits make you proud and happy for them? Apple sure has some people wrapped around its finger.

          • DroidDoesnt_2

            Yet another clueless fandroid with absolutely no business sense. Caring about profits has nothing to do with tying your self worth to a company. Profits are ALL about sustainability. If you want to buy your fake iPhones from anybody NOT named Samsung, then you had better hope that they start turning profits bcuz that’s the only way that they’ll stay in business. And guess what? I pay the same subsidized $200 price for my iPhone as you do for your iPhony, so whoever Apple is overcharging, it sure isn’t me. Do yourself a favor…get a clue 🙂

    • bobsays

      You got that backwards, Samsung have been consistently outselling apple 3.5 to 1 for the last year and a half

      • when you have phones for all budgets, of course Samsung can…

        • billy routh

          Even Samsung lowest budget phone is better than an *phone

      • DroidDoesnt_2

        Apple is walking away with over 70% of the profits…Samsung could outsell them 50 to 1….doesn’t matter one bit…get a clue about business

        • Jenny

          It does matter, you are just choosing to ignore the market share conversation because the profit conversation serves your argument better. Three years ago you would have been bragging about the iPhone’s market share dominance and saying that it did matter. What’s your problem with the Android operating system?

          • DroidDoesnt_2

            See that is where u show your sheer ignorance…u think Apple’s profit share is all about “bragging” rights, when it is about a business having a superior business model that will enable them to remain viable and continue to serve its customers vs a multitude of oems selling a tom of garbage phones and not profiting from it, putting their future in the business in jeopardy. Profits is what keeps a business thriving…market share means NOTHING…get a clue

    • billy routh

      Stupid people like you give stupid people a bad name.

  • I smell some fackwors going on here

    • no faith

      That $hits annoying now

      • fackwors

        Now you’re just hurting my feelings.

  • jnt

    I’ll ask the dumb question… 103% ?? must have something to do with those losses they’re factoring in?

    • Pedro


      Motorola, Sony, HTC, LG et al.

  • Andrew

    Is it just me, or is was the title of this article a little misleading?

    • Justin Winker

      It’s just you.

  • PalmerAdam

    Next they will divide by zero

  • feztheforeigner


    I’m no mathematician but I was under the impression profits cannot exceed 100% O.o

    • EricRees

      Sorry guys, tried to explain in the article. Samsung and Apple did well enough to make up for the profit losses, and then some, of other mobile OEMs. It isn’t Apple math, it’s the research company.

  • MooleyBooleyTroll

    Call me stupid, as I have only read the headline, but how on earth can they account for 103% of 100% of profits?

    • BGR….. That’s how. Nothing but a bunch of morons (interchangeable with Apple fanbois)

    • KleenDroid

      Apple math

      • Siri did the calculations!

        • Kris

          wow.. and you work for this joke of a website uh?

        • Matthew Arthurs

          haha you made me spit Dr Pepper on my keyboard 😛

    • Captain_Doug

      When some companies make -10%, it makes sense.

    • hot_spare

      It’s possible. Only way it’s possible when other companies are making loses.

    • It’s because there is so much BS in the mobile hardware pricing industry. You really think that your carrier pays >$500 for a Galaxy SIII? Nope they pay closer to $300 once all the accounting trickery is over and done with.

    • It’s possible. Let’s say Apple $60, Samsung $30, HTC -$2, Motorola $-4

      Total profit – $84, Samsung + Apple – $90, Samsung + Apple % – 90/84 = 107%

      It’s just a fancy way of saying Samsung and Apple make money and everybody else loses it.

  • KleenDroid