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Verizon CEO: While AT&T and Others are Playing Catch-up With LTE, We’ll be Figuring Out 5G and 6G

Verizon’s CEO, Lowell McAdam, sat down for a brief chat this morning at the UBS Global Media and Communications Conference. During the conversation, he talked about the entire status of the company, from Wireline to Wireless. Clearly, we care about his Wireless quotes, some of which show how far ahead Verizon thinks they are in terms of network and their new shared data plans. 

One quote in particular talks about others in the industry waiting to see with 4G LTE, while Big Red was willing to move forward with the technology from day 1. That early start gave them the massive lead in network coverage they have, today. But as one would expect from a company of this size, they aren’t stopping or planning to slow. In fact, while their competitors will eventually come close to matching their network in terms of coverage, McAdam thinks that the company will, by that time, be figuring out what “5G and 6G looks like.”

So even if someone catches up quote from a coverage perspective, you have got to catch up from a user experience perspective. And so we are going to hang on to that and we are going to defend that ground. And in the meantime, we are going to try to figure out what 5G and 6G looks like. So there is — it is not like — I know when you do your model you always like to think about okay this is the last evolution. Well, I hope I never see the last evolution in wireless technology. So I believe that we will.

Outside of network talk, McAdam also mentioned the adoption that they are seeing with their new Share Everything plans. As you all know, new customers are forced into these shared data plans, so when we hear talk of positive adoption, we don’t necessarily put a lot behind it. With that said, Verizon’s chief did mention a big bump on tablet connectivity through these shared plans, saying that people like the idea of adding on for $10, rather than having to fork out the $30 it used to run them.

Just over the holidays as an example, we saw a big tick up in tablet attachments. In the past people were buying them and saying I don’t want another account for this. I don’t want to have to pay for the unlimited data. I don’t know how much I am going to use it. I am just going to stick with Wi-Fi. And we saw a significant shift over Thanksgiving where people were saying just for the $10 access a month, I will go ahead and use that — use the share everything plan.

Nothing super juicy, but for those of you that are living and dying with Verizon, you have to love their confidence in the future of their network.

Via:  Verizon

  • jzwerlz43

    i understand people’s complaining about no more unlimited data plans except if u grandfather in at full retail but seriously, if you use up more then 2-5GB while in a non-wifi area then thats your fault. wifi hotspots are all over the place these days. i understand the enjoyment behind using 4G cause of how fast it is but if u cant budget how much data you use per month then thats your own damn fault.

  • I’m so excited for 5G! I’ll be able to blow through data caps even faster. Now can we start paying you with kidneys as well?

  • coolsilver

    They won’t have that cash flow if they keep pissing all of us Verizon customers off with crap shared plans, limited data, and phones with short support cycles.

  • Stoker

    Sorry, I can’t afford any more Gs. ( Looks dejectedly @ $200 monthly family phone bill. )

  • Yuck. Let’s just stick to 4G for now (especially since I don’t have it yet). {{-_-}}

  • gmx

    I love how people complain about Verizon not having choice and they took away unlimited data and share everything sucks. Really people the old plans still exist 700/1400/2000 and unlimited data can be kept for those that need it just buy a phone at full retail. Do the math if you need like 9GB of data that means a 10GB data plan for a single line that is 80/Mo for data so 50 more a month then unlimited at 30 so for about 400 more upfront for the device you save 800 over the 2 years to keep unlimited. So there is choice. as for coverage no point in arguing that it is clear in the maps who is better.

    • iamjackspost

      They’re going to axe unlimited permantly sooner or later. I don’t have a source, but they really don’t have much to gain by keeping us on. I hope I’m wrong, but I’ve got a bad feeling.

  • How about we try to make 4G work in all areas before we get ahead of ourselves. The 4G speed in Indy is not much faster than 3G.

  • Nazzi_Muhammad

    LTE, 5G, 6G, and G-spot are all battery draining operations. So, suck it Mr. late with your updates verizon ceo.

  • As much as I want to bitch about the Share everything, I can see the value for the average person.. Shared data for my family’s situation of 2 smartphones on unlimited would suck.. but my girlfriend and her family were looking to get smartphone for the first time and with the shared data, they can all 3 get smartphones for $28 a month more then what they are paying now for 6gb of data, which is just fine for them.. I guess there is some validity to the shared Data plans for some people.. Just for some it would really suck..

  • X2caleb2X

    By catch up he really means how to rape our wallets even more

  • yungqb7

    T-mobile’s network is terrible.

  • yarrellray

    This guy is stuck on stupid seriously. Verizon is one of the WORST CARRIERS ever. Slow on updates, it’s lte network is filled with poor battery life if you have devices that are older than last year. All the useless carrier bloatware on devices is hideous and comical. We wont even discuss the piss poor reception/dbm must handsets get on a daily basis. Bigger isn’t always better Verizon is the perfect example of that.

    • CapnShiner

      People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones (or phones, lol). 1) Verizon’s customer satisfaction ratings prove it is not the worst carrier, a title currently held by AT&T 2) Verizon has nothing to do with the battery life of a device. Verizon does not design or manufacture phones or batteries. 3) Name a US carrier that does not pre-install any bloatware 4) Reception varies by location and Verizon’s reception has been tested and shown to be the best. Maybe you’re just unfortunate to live in an area with poor reception

    • squiddy20

      “Verizon is one of the WORST CARRIERS ever.” Based on your limited 6 months using a Galaxy Nexus (which had signal issues) confined to a small, small section of NYC. Try going anywhere outside of your tiny little circle and tell me T-Mobile is still “boss”.
      “it’s lte network is filled with poor battery life if you have devices that are older than last year” ANY phone from the year previous is going to have slightly worse signal reception than the current years’. Dumb phones, smartphones, feature phones, iPhones; the older generations always have worse signal than the newer ones. What’s your point?
      “All the useless carrier bloatware on devices is hideous and comical” As CapnShiner stated, name one carrier that does not use any bloatware on it’s phones. Even your precious T-Mobile shoved a shitload of crap on your “pimp slapping” Note 2. And let’s not even get into the crap Samsung alone throws on there too. Idiot.
      “Bigger isn’t always better Verizon is the perfect example of that.” Except for the people who travel more than 10 miles to work everyday. They need a network that has lots of coverage and at least decent speeds. And that’s certainly not T-Mobile.

  • Yea … I had my OG G1 and TMOBILE BLEW BALLZZZ

  • enigmaco

    But here’s a plus to other companies…they are not verizon I would love to know the rumor of google creating its own wireless company so I can drop verizon.

  • jmanni8

    when do we get roll over data

    • CapnShiner

      That’s actually not a bad idea. I think it would be hilarious if Verizon rolls it out first and calls it Rollover Data or Rollover MB, just to mess with AT&T.

  • chris125

    More like they will be figuring out how to hose their customers even more with their crap plans and how they can charge the most for the least amount of data but throw in unlimited minutes because that is what people really care about /s

  • michael centeno

    lets see how that cocky greedy bastard sings that tune, mid next year. when google comes out with their wireless service. lol!!

  • sk3litor

    I finally get to see the face of the man who will be raising my first born

  • I agree that having super-duper fast speeds on tiered data plans doesn’t make a ton of sense. But I suspect that as speeds increase, so will data caps to match. People complain about VZW and what they charge, but the vast majority of that profit goes right back into building and improving the network…which will only lower prices over time.

    We may even see unlimited at some point in the future as the networks continue to expand and mature. Hopefully AT&T and T-Mo and Sprint will be able to continue improving their networks so that they can provide a viable alternative to create some healthy competition.

  • Bionic

    Meanwhile, Verizon lost $1.5 billion in revenue. Fact.

  • Wow, the bitterness in here. I’m not saying I disagree with ANY of it…. but wow.

  • FortitudineVincimus

    The part of the statement they left off…

    “And you’ll be doing it from an ICS based device”

  • Sam

    Verizon does a lot of weird stuff at times but they’re still hands down the best network. Ive had Sprint/AT&T/T-Mobile and im on Verizon and cant be happier. Sprints speeds are pure GARBAGE and AT&T along with TMobile are a joke. Say what you want, but im very happy with Verizon.

    • Diablo81588


    • rodney11ride


  • I know Verizon will be the leading network for a long time to come but i cant wait for a Dish Network/Google initiative to step up and show them what a open market can do.

    • rodney11ride

      oh please i hope its not partnered with dish… maybe direct tv

      • CapnShiner

        You need to read the news. If you go a few pages back, I think DL posted about it. Google partnered with Dish Network, not DirecTV.

      • It was basically announced already that Dish is looking to become a carrier. but dont fear, if they have Google as a major backer, they will have plenty of cash to roll out a network it a short time.

  • RoadsterHD1

    I use 20 to 35 gigs a month. No limits here.

    • rodney11ride

      ditto. 15-20 gigs a month.. at 4g speeds. unlimited. and i put 30 a month away for that full retail price ill be paying when i want to get another phone.

  • then, they will come out with a brilliant 1gb data plan for 6g for 90 dollars a month

  • Trueblue711

    I have to admit, as much as I hate Verizon for their unfair practices, I’m very happy to hear statements like this from them. They can easily sit on LTE for the next 3-5 years and still probably be better than other networks with speed and coverage. They’re choosing to move forward anyway, which is great.

    It amazes me how a company as large as AT&T STILL can’t scale their network.

  • Bob G

    ……. and also figuring out how to screw customers out of more money and liberties.

  • dsass600

    Alright this might be the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard. First, they haven’t even really implemented 4G. 4G LTE is not really 4G, is like 3.9G. They still need to implement 4GLTE Advanced which is an actual 4G network. Then they can implement 5G and 6G which don’t even exist yet and are completely unnecessary. And let’s keep in mind they still haven’t implemented VoLTE.

    • CapnShiner

      Um, no, you’re wrong. LTE is 4G. 4G means 4th generation, which it is. It is based on the GSM standard, but it uses completely new technologies. LTE Advanced is to LTE like HSPA+ is to HSPA.

  • EC8CH

    That guy makes me sleepy.

    • RoadsterHD1

      LOL 🙂

  • Scott

    Maybe they should fill in some of those holes where the Galaxy Nexus doesn’t get a signal, but everything else does.

  • Mike Yost

    Verizon 6G has the ability to use up all of your shared data in record time! Please sign up for our newest data tier the 512KB line! *Data overages are $45 per every 1 MB you go over*.

    Latest Verizon ad! Oh and don’t forget to put softkeys on a device that doesn’t actually have them.

  • Yep

    The theme of this comment thread is Brick Tamland all the way. LOUD NOISES!!!

  • JetBlue

    When he said about people saying they’ll pay 10 dollars for a tablet on a shared everything vs 30 bucks for unlimited are stupid.

  • Michael Bienvenue

    Mr. Verizon CEO, why don’t you play catch up to the other carriers and get your GS3 Jelly Bean Update pushed out. Enough already!!!!

  • JohnPA2006

    Hello this is “Cigarette Smoking Man” from “The X-Files, and I approve this message.

  • tehserver

    Translation: “We’ll be finding new ways to grape our users in the mouth.”

    • BenS


  • BroRob

    For the record you can upgrade and NOT go to the family share plan, but you will have to give up unlimited data for the 2G cap. That is assuming you don’t try the loophole to keep your unlimited data.

    • TylerChappell

      what loophole is this?

      • Anon

        Pay full price for your phone.

    • Yep

      Or you could just buy your next phone outright and go month to month. Unless that’s the loophole you were so intent on teasing.

  • belsonc

    How about, instead of worrying about 5G and 6G, you figure out how to properly equip your support staff so your customers aren’t told that the area across the street from Rockefeller Center is a “marginal coverage area?” And if it in fact is one, why don’t you deploy more infrastructure? Just a thought…

    • wickets

      and making sure 4g actually works!!! 0.29/0.02 aint no %#&#* 4g!

  • To bad their 4G speeds can’t live up to expectations. Average speeds in Colorado range from 3Mb to 8 Mb. That ain’t 4G…

    • Dubbaduba

      Where are you in Colorado? I commute between Boulder and Broomfield and I usually hit between 12-20.

  • violator702

    We are going to figure out 5G and 6G, so that our customers on shared data will have to use more data. We will also be raising the prices of subsidized phones to $400 to pay for the new network.

    • Zero

      No they won’t.

      They’ll raise the hidden upgrade fee instead.

  • Velmeran

    What’s funny is the talk from McAdam about the “success” of their Share Everything plans — but if you call into Verizon and talk to any of their level 2+ support you’ll get an entirely different picture.

    I have several family or extended family members that have, or are planning to drop Verizon due to the new share everything plan — which is especially painful if you have some non-smartphone lines on the account (like my parents who have 2 lines for my grandparents on their plan) — though a recent conversation with phone support found a way to get an upgraded phone, while staying on their existing, non-share everything plan.

    • John Pisano

      Atleast know what you’re talking about when it comes to this stuff so you don’t look stupid lol, you aren’t forced into a share everything plan. You can stay on an existing family share plan and even add new lines to it. The only thing you have to do is change your data plan if you upgrade and have unlimited, so it’ll change it to a 2GB, 5GB, or 10GB plan. You are not and probably will never be forced out of a nationwide plan. Hell theres still people on America’s choice plans that still upgrade and aren’t forced to switch.

      • Velmeran

        Not the luck any of my family members have had, or myself.

        If you want a new phone at a discounted price — unless you call into Verizon you’ll be forced to upgrade to a Share Everything plan. Doesn’t matter if it’s in store at Verizon, in store at Best Buy, Walmart, etc, online at Verizon, Amazon or Wirefly.

      • Trueblue711

        Actually they can force you. If you want to add a line or upgrade, they can require that you switch the plan, just like they did with requiring data plans for feature phones in 2009.

        Also, they’ve purposely limited almost all their phones for sale as of 2010 and beyond to either be a cheap/crappy feature phone that functions like it’s from 2003 or a smartphone. They may not literally force you, but they do almost everything short of it.

  • xpyroxcorex

    on my verizon phone i get anywhere between 2-12mbps…. on my att phone i get anywhere between 30-42mbps verizon may have more sites, but att is doing it right and actually rolling out fast lte.

    • Aaron

      That’s the way Verizon was before millions of people were on 4G, the same will happen to ATT speeds just wait.

    • brando56894

      Do you live on the West Coast? I live in NJ and it’s the complete opposite. I have VZW and get about 12-16 Mbps and my girlfriend has AT&T and she gets about .5-2 Mbps. Although when we went to the next town over and she had LTE she was getting around 45 Mbps as was I. From what I’ve seen and what she’s told me good and fast LTE coverage is few and far between here in Jersey.

      • xpyroxcorex

        no im in indiana. it may be because we had the superbowl so att spent a lot of money on our towers. verizon didnt have lte here before the super bowl so they didnt spend as much money. im not sure.

    • John Pisano

      all about location my friend, 25-40mbps here around Boston

      • I agree. I’m in Jackson, TN and I get 35-40 mbps as well on Verizons 4G

  • Ugh, just marketing spew, but isn’t that what you’d expect from a guy who looks like that? This PR is what you say when you’re in it to pull as much money from your customers as possible, rather than trying to make money by obtaining more customers (via customer satisfaction -> via competitive pricing -> via efficient operations).

  • Why dont you figure out how to get 4G fully functioning before moving onto the next big thing

  • Ah yes, 6G, where your battery drains faster than it charges.

  • Stewie

    Damn, just like the Jhatool, this one shouldn’t be allowed to breed ….

  • Good for them. I am leaving Verizon next month. Tired of the proprietary CDMA, locked down network crap.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Where you going Kenny!

  • This sounds like more moronic marketing garbage. If you care about “user experience” then stop holding back software updates, stop filling your phones with useless bloatware, and step up your customer service game.

  • Brent Cooper

    I want to pay for unlimited! I know I will use it because I currently do use it.

  • Tony Byatt

    How about being the first to update phone firmware…

  • DroidBricker

    Wow, they’re delusional. Due to where I live, it’s Verizon or nothing. McAdam can take his “user experience” and shove it! If I had another option I’d take it. I’m jealous of the Nexus 4, google wallet, unlocked bootloaders etc that people on other networks enjoy.

  • Go Hawkeyes

    “And in the meantime, we are going to try to figure out what 5G and 6G looks like.”

    Probably looks an awful lot like higher throughput on existing LTE with lower caps and higher prices.

    • CapnShiner

      I think you hit the nail on the head.

  • Marv Adan

    while you figure that out.. why don’t you get the nexus 4 over to big red’s side?!

    • xpyroxcorex

      dont let vzn ruin another nexus -.-

    • January 2013. 😉

      • Marv Adan

        don’t tease. source?

    • CapnShiner

      Screw the Nexus 4, with it’s fragile glass back, lack of usable LTE (Canada notwithstanding), lack of storage space, and lack of microSD slot! Verizon can do better. Google just needs to put them in their place when it comes to software updates. I say bring on a Nexus built by Motorola.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    F THAT! . . . . I WANT 10G!

  • ceejw

    It’s great the Verizon is doing so much effort into making sure they have the best network, but I think many of us are at the point where we don’t care how great their network is if we can’t use the device we want on it.

    • Also, if we can’t use the device we want, how we want.

    • went into a store last weekend and the associate was basically telling someone “use wifi all the time” and only use verizons network when you dont have wifi. that is absolutely ridiculous. whats the point of having the awesome network if you cant use it

      • Another question would be to ask is What’s the point of paying out the nose for a data plan if we can’t use it.

        • to which they would probably stumble and try and come up with a good answer. i hate what verizon is doing

      • CapnShiner

        That sales rep would be in trouble or possibly fired if he was caught saying that. Why would Verizon want to encourage people to use WiFi when not using WiFi means more data overages and/or upgrades to the data plan, more fees, and more money in the bank for Verizon?

    • MicroNix

      And what device do you want on Verizon that they don’t already have??????????????????????????????????????????????

      • ceejw

        To name a few, The Nexus 4, HTC One X, Lumia 920, HTC 8S, LG Optimus G, HTC One S, Sony Xperia TL

        • You want ALL of those phones? Wow. You must really make a lot of calls.

          • CapnShiner

            LOL…you think they’re for making calls?

  • sc0rch3d

    verizon just needs to stfu when it comes to marketing anything remotely positive about share everything

    • Lucky Armpit

      I know, right? The title should have been, “While our competitors are still figuring out 4G LTE, we’ll be figuring out new ways to charge you MORE for LESS so we get RICHER. MUAHAHAHAHAAAA!”

  • David Hussey

    Ahem. LTE as it stands today doesn’t meet 4G spec. Keep spewing those marketing terms Mr. McAdam. You’re beginning to believe your own lies.

    • CapnShiner

      There is no 4G spec. There is also no 3G spec. These are simply abbreviations for third generation and fourth generation, respectively. In fact, 3G refers to two different specifications: HSPA and EVDO. 4G either refers to one specification or multiple specifications, depending who you ask. Some people (*cough* AT&T *cough* T-Mobile) consider HSPA+ to be 4G, some people consider Wimax to be 4G, and some people consider LTE to be 4G. That’s the problem- because 4G is not a spec, companies can twist the meaning however they want.


    • Nex__


    • brando56894

      That’s the first thing I thought when I read the title in Google Reader lol

    • Zero0


      When my Nexus 4 arrives, I’ll be switching to T-Mobile. Hopefully their network is pretty decent. If it is, goodbye Verizon.

      • Diablo81588

        T-Mobile sucks. Don’t waste your time.

        • Dude66

          T-Mobile isn’t really bad and its pricing is good, but Verizon definetly has a lot better coverage.

          • Diablo81588

            You get what you pay for. End of story.

          • yarrellray

            Yeah that’s very true I feel sorry for all the people over paying for the useless service they get on Verizon. Sad part is people are seriously misguided and fooled with Verizon and it’s overrated service. Here in New York City Verizon is useless compared to Tmobile.

          • MicroNix

            Totally depends on where you are. At my house, I get EDGE on AT&T but 3G and LTE on Verizon. With AT&T I got dropped calls everywhere, with Verizon I don’t. When it comes to voice, NOBODY beats Verizon. And for most areas, same with data.

          • Diablo81588

            T-Mobile sucks anywhere but major cities. Their coverage is garbage compared to Verizon’s in 99 percent of the US.

          • I live in a wooded area in Northern VA and often use the DC metro…nothing beats Verizon’s coverage. My AT&T friends usually have problems when driving to my area.
            EDIT: plus I get 4GLTE everywhere, even when I’m on the beach, and to me that’s insane.

          • LiterofCola

            Yeah, because the rumors of it being a reliable network are the same stuff that unicorns are made of. Right?

          • squiddy20

            1. By “you get what you pay for”, he was meaning T-Mobile sucks. Anyone with half a brain would understand this.
            2. Just because Verizon is “useless” according to you, does not mean every person in New York feels that way, and it certainly does not mean it is the same in the rest of the US. You do know the world is bigger than NYC, right?
            3. Sad part is, when you were with Sprint over a year ago, you went on and on about “the devil” that is Verizon, but then you signed up with them to get your grubby hands on the Galaxy Nexus. Now you’re back to slamming them simply because you couldn’t afford their services.

          • Joe Palozzi

            If by “useless” you mean it works great… I live in Brooklyn and work/travel all over NYC and NJ. It is true that there are certain spots that report 4G but struggle with data – usually in very populated areas. No dropped calls though (except when driving from CT to NY). When I had TMO 4 years ago I dropped calls a lot. And forget about coverage traveling in the mid-west

          • michael arazan

            They’ll be figuring out 5g???? How about figuring out true 4G!!!! The definition of true 4g LTE is 100 mbps down, what the hell is going to be their made up definition for 5g i wonder?

          • snowbdr89

            Dick yarrell is a moron!!

          • That is what I tell my customers.

          • socalrailroader

            That’s not always true, sometimes you get more than you pay for, sometimes you get far less.

          • LiterofCola


          • Cowboydroid

            Verizon’s LTE in Dallas has been a PITA more often than not. The latency, the sporadic coverage, getting zero coverage in the mall…it’s not as desirable as so many fanboys make it seem.

          • Diablo81588

            Latency? I consistently get around 30 to 40ms response times. What’s T-Mobile get, anywhere from 150 to 500ms?

            From what I’ve heard, Verizon coverage in Dallas is mediocre due to lack of spectrum. ATTs headquarters are in Dallas and they own most of the spectrum in that city. I get excellent LTE coverage with Verizon in Houston. The same can’t be said for ATT and T-Mobile.

          • Julian Coronado

            Yes, some say Verizon is more expensive, but (from my experience) has better customer service, and coverage.

          • yarrellray

            Don’t worry you’ll be just fine. I gladly kicked Verizon to the curb in June of this year for Tmobile and haven’t looked back. After selling my crappy fake Verizon Galaxy Nexus i purchased the Galaxy S3 June 28th to November 14th. On the 15th of November i got my Galaxy Note 2 and boy things are great on tmobile with unlimited data…

          • Diablo81588

            Crickets pricing is also good, that doesn’t mean worth a damn..

        • enigmaco

          I loved t-mobile they helped me with bill problems I encountered, phone prices are better than verizons, and the customer service was more pleasant to talk to. With Verizon I want to pull what little hair I have on my head out when I call them. Plus t-mobile allows you to connect to wifi when you have coverage issues.

    • Emilio Fahr

      Not a single downvote out of 112 votes. It’s unanimous.

    • Addison Todd

      You are a god among men.

    • Kisuk3


      This is a buisness strategy pure and simple.

      The less your phone is updated, the more likely you are to buy a more current phone.

    • jboogie1289

      Still, instead of worrying about other means of cellular signals and communications why don’t you try and “speed” up the “testing” process of handset software updates! Either put the damn bloatware on the updates and send them out or leave it off….and send them out! Damn that other stuff for now. Your company has dropped the ball on several relaease dates, just plain screwed up the Nexus exeperience and let the bottom 2 carriers beat one of, if not your best selling phone at getting JB. Ugh Vzw, get with it. Open your eyes and ears to hear what your customers want and need!!

  • Dr_Buttballs

    “…and how to make our customers pay for it.” is the only thing missing from this title.

  • 5G…2GB cap…interesting

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      I think by then they’ll need to start figuring out ALL Data plans.

      • CapnShiner

        They are already trying to figure that out. They are currently testing VoLTE. They will eventually transition everyone onto it. It’s tricky because VoLTE is a crazy drain on the battery. LTE data has nothing on LTE calling. There is also the issue of transitioning from 1x and 3G to LTE-only. Devices would have to have LTE radios, obviously. Lots of people, myself included, don’t have LTE phones yet. They can’t just force millions of customers to buy a new phone without pissing people off, so they will have to do it gradually.

        First, they have to get VoLTE working as reliably and with the same coverage as 1x and 3G. Next, they can stop offering new devices without LTE. Then they can start offering plans that are LTE-only. Then they can start notifying customers who still don’t have an LTE device that they will eventually be losing service if they don’t get a new phone. Then they can start shutting down the legacy CDMA and 3G network and selling phones with no CDMA radio.

  • And by 5g does he actually mean true 4g?

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      To give Verizon a bit of credit here they didn’t play the marketing game live everyone else did trying to pass off Wimaxx and HSPA+ as next gen.

      • Dr_Buttballs

        Even Verizon’s LTE doesn’t meet the true definition of 4G, so in a sense they are still playing that game..

        • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

          But I mean come one, we all knew the Standard was some version of LTE this generation. It still annoys me when ATT advertises the “Largest” 4G network, intentionally lying to customers. . . . don’t even get me started on TMOB

          • brando56894

            This pissed my girlfriend off so much, she went from the iPhone 4 to the Galaxy S3 and even though she doesn’t live in a 4G LTE area her data connection would still say “4G” yet she was getting downstream speeds of only about 1-2 Mbps. When you check the data connection in setting it doesn’t say LTE. Once she flashed CM10 it went back to saying what it truly was….. HSPA.

            I’ve been curious about T-Mobile and went into a local store and they only have a few working phone (most of them are dummy models unlike Verizon and AT&Ts stores) so it’s damn near impossible to actually test the phones before you buy them. I found a working SGS3 and it also said 4G, so I went to download the Speed Test app…. and it was downloading at about 60 KB/sec! That’s some blazing fast 4G! ::sarcasm::

            Mean while I had my Galaxy Nexus right next to it and was getting about 13 Mbps with true 4G/LTE on Verizon.

          • Zero0

            T-Mobile’s HSPA+ speeds rival Verizon’s LTE speeds.

            Irrelevant, but T-Mobile’s LTE speeds will likely pummel Verizon’s. The last to get LTE will be the first to install LTE Advanced.

          • Diablo81588

            Even if they are the first with LTE advanced, covering 3 cities doesn’t count.

          • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

            Are you defending T-Mobile? You’re comparing T-Mobiles Vastly limited HSPA+ . . .don’t even get me started on the 42mbps part of their network that few phones support. You’re comparing that to Verizon being close to blanketing the ENTIRE US with LTE and still has very fast speeds with people actually using their network. That’s not a comparison. . . .

            I’m not in the business of defending Verizon, but Tmobile is ridiculous.

          • CapnShiner

            If the statements made and cited in this post are any indication, you are completely wrong. I would also like to see some credible evidence to support your claim that T-Mobile’s HSPA+ speeds rival that of Verizon LTE.

            If you were just trolling, good job. Otherwise, put your money where your mouth is.

          • Dr_Buttballs

            I completely agree with you, man. I’m just saying we’re no where near true 4G yet.

          • I know this may sound stupid, but i called at&t and they said there commercials say ‘LARGEST 4G NETWORK’ not 4g LTE.

          • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

            Yes… and the average customer doesn’t know the difference between “4G” and “LTE” and ATT knows that. Trying to confuse the average buyer to make them seem like they are matching or beating Verizon….. When Verizon is leaps and bounds ahead @facebook-1141421396:disqus

          • No your right on every point!

          • CapnShiner

            Of course they said that. If they said “Largest 4G LTE network” it would be a blatant lie and they would be sued for false advertising. AT&T is relying on the trick that they and T-Mobile used to get people to refer to HSPA+ as 4G before Verizon launched their LTE. That is exactly what’s wrong with that claim. It is intentionally misleading. HSPA+ is not 4G, they are comparing it to Verizon’s LTE, and they are relying on people not knowing the difference. Even if HSPA+ was 4G, I’m not so sure AT&T’s 4G network would be bigger than Verizon’s LTE network. I know AT&T’s LTE network is much smaller, so there’s just no truth to the ads.

          • lol yes i know i just thought it was funny that they say in there commercials that its 4G is bigger then verizon but verizon does not have a 4G network but a 4G LTE network that blowz at&t out of the water.

        • Trueblue711

          How does Verizon’s LTE not qualify for true 4G? I’ve received upload/download speeds of over 25Mbps.

          • Dr_Buttballs

            I believe real 4G speeds are anywhere between 100 megabits to 1 gigabits down.

          • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

            That’s not even realistic. . . What’s Possible and what we’ll actually get will never match up once people get on the network and start using it.

          • Trueblue711

            If that’s theoretical, it’s not a realistic measurement. It’s like how advertised products like USB say “up to XX Mbps” but in real-world use it’s much slower.

          • Dr_Buttballs

            That may be but that’s still the definition of true 4G regardless.

          • Trueblue711

            There is no true definition of 4G. That is why AT&T and T-Mobile were allowed to advertise their 3.5G networks as such.

          • Dr_Buttballs

            Then why did you ask me what the definition was? I honestly really don’t care either way, because I don’t even use 4G.

          • Trueblue711

            I asked because I wanted to know if the consortium that developed LTE set a standard that should be used but carriers may have ignored, similar to how “Pre-N” routers were made before the 802.11N standard was approved.

            No need to get all defensive.

          • Dr_Buttballs

            Defensive? Hardly. I was actually just curious. Your rebuttal is a fair one.

          • CapnShiner

            Says who?

          • Dr_Buttballs

            Yo momma says so.

          • CapnShiner

            Real mature, man.

          • Dr_Buttballs

            My online handle is Dr. Buttballs, what did you honestly expect?

          • CapnShiner

            Lol…. Touché

          • CapnShiner

            What are you smoking and why aren’t you sharing?

  • DanSan

    “We’ll be Figuring Out how to bully you out of unlimited data!”

    • brando56894

      … and squeezing every last penny out of you! New 6G LTE-AdvancedAwesomeSuperFast can download at speeds of up 1 Tbit but to make the most of it you’ll have to fork over $150 a month for 30 GB worth of data!

      • Ibrick

        $150/mo for 30gb at those speeds?

        Where do I sign?

      • Aaron

        $150/mo for 2GBs of data. Then $50 per GB to upgrade.

      • Mallahet

        Yeah, but battery life on a device will only be 4 hours.

    • Shared data has been awesome for my wife and I. We cut $80 per month off our phone bill, turned both of our phones back into hot spots for free, kept my Xoom as a hot spot for free, and saved $50 a month by cutting our home internet because we also got a free 4G hot spot too. Yeah, I’d say the dropping of unlimited data worked just fine for us. Oh, and did I mention that we can use the Verizon app to raise or lower our plan every month and that we frequently do, because “evil” Verizon actually sends us both a text warning if we approach our data limit? Yeah well we can and we do. Let’s see… 3 free hot spots, complete pricing freedom, $130 each month in savings. Yeah Verizon is clearly screwing me. Are you kidding me?!

      • AmendFIRSTment

        People are not bashing Verizon because of the new plans. We bash Verizon because they took away Choice. Some of us want unlimited, some of need it. I have unlimited because I need it for work. I do online tech support. I use 20gb easy in a month. But now I have to buy my phones cash to not lose my unlimited. My coworkers that don’t have unlimited can never get it. It’s good that it works for you, but you miss the point entirely.

      • CapnShiner

        As AmendFIRSTment said, you are missing the point. I’m glad that Share Everything worked out in your favor but for many people it works only in Verizon’s favor. If they had the customers’ best interest in mind, they would have offered Share Everything as an option in addition to the existing plans. Instead, they are forcing people into it.

        Using myself as an example, Share Everything would cost at least $20 more per month and I would go from having unlimited data to only having 2GB. My total monthly Verizon bill is $73.74 after tax. That is for 1 line with 450 minutes, unlimited text, unlimited data, and insurance. I get an employer discount of 17% and I’m on the special Talk and Text + Data plan that was by invitation only two years ago. Go ahead and compare that to the cheapest current offering they have for 1 smartphone. This is why I’m angry about it.

  • ozo012

    And customers of Verizon are going to have their wallets having to catch up with some new bul|$hit fee or other ridiculous pricing scam.

    • cdick133

      Yeah, I really hope 5G focuses more on being cost efficient for Verizon to deploy and maintain, and thus for its customers. I really don’t need much more speed, I just really want more bandwidth at a better cost.

  • Capt. Crunch

    “5G and 5G” might wanna fix that